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September 23, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:30
  SPEAKER_38: It's Wednesday and the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_38: I think, I think we have worked out the gremlins that plagued us yesterday.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_38: So my son Logan, every day he will go and uh he'll ask, he'll just say, Hey, how was the show today?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_38: Right.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_38: It's just, it's just a habit, curiosity.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_38: I ask him how his day was at work.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_38: And typically, you know, he'll he'll throw uh hey, how was it, you know, how was the show today?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_38: So this happened yesterday.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_38: Uh he had gotten home late and he's one level up in the house and in the kitchen.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_38: And uh, you know, I said, Hey Logan, because I hadn't said I hadn't said hi to him yet.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_38: And he yells down and he goes, How was the show today?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_38: And I go, it's awful, it's just awful.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_38: And then I could hear my other son, Kyle.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_38: He immediately chimes in.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_38: He's like, What?
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_37: What did he what did he say?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_37: And he said it was he said it was awful.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_37: It was just, it was just awful.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_38: So uh we're hoping we have the bugs worked out.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_38: I know that we're having some issues with my own personal uh YouTube page, and that might be the case uh today as well.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_38: Are you saying that the YouTube audio is on mine, just on mine, right again?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I don't know what is going on.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_38: I thought we had it reconnected.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_38: I thought we were good to go on that.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_38: But the other gremlins should be worked out, so you shouldn't have any difficulty listening to the show on the MixLR uh app.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_38: You can download that.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_38: It's completely free.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_38: You can watch the show, Center of the American Experiment, Facebook and uh YouTube.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_38: You can also watch on my X feed as well.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_38: All of those should be fine.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_38: I do not know why my YouTube feed is having problems with the audio.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_38: But this is why we have multiple locations for you to go and enjoy the show.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_38: We had a cascading, uh we had a cascade of issues that took place uh yesterday that uh ended up making it very difficult.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_38: But you guys are the best.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_38: I channeled my uh inner uh my uh my inner governor uh Dim Walls.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, everybody! You guys are the best.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_38: No, you are.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_38: I really do appreciate your dedication to the show and your and your patience as we uh work through some of these uh some of these uh issues.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_38: And hopefully we'll get them uh we'll get them all corrected in the in the near future.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_38: You know, as we said when we started the show, uh, you know, a little over a month ago now.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_38: Well actually we're going on two months, aren't we?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_38: Um as we said when we started the uh the um you know the show, if it were easy, everybody would be doing a live show like this uh every day.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_38: And without the infrastructure that we typically have relating to uh to radio, you know, sometimes we get these bugs.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_38: But we're hoping and working on solutions in the very near future to make sure that we uh we don't have those issues uh later on.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_38: So with that, if you want to leave a uh voice or text message on the blaster line, you can feel free to do so.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_38: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_38: You can also email me, john.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_38: Um, this hour.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_38: This is the plan.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_38: We have D V.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_38: Gartenstein Ross, he'll be joining us coming up at 6 30.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna talk artificial intelligence.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, a few of you have already sent in your questions, so you can get any questions you have on anything relating to artificial intelligence, or as President uh Donald Trump now calls it, super intelligence.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_38: He's given it a new name.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_38: I was confused when I saw the story yesterday.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_38: I thought that he was just talking about artificial intelligence and saying, no, what it really is is superintelligence.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_38: No, no, no.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_38: Trump wants to go and relabel artificial intelligence altogether superintelligence.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_38: Not sure how I feel about that.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_38: We will be discussing that with our uh AI expert analyst David, the CEO of Expert Theory, uh, coming up uh at 6.30 uh this morning.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_38: And of course, those on the left are already upset over Trump and him wanting to label it super intelligence.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_38: It's kind of akin to UFO versus UAP.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_38: My instinctive reaction is keep it artificial intelligence.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_38: I don't think we need to go and change the name.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_38: But we'll get into this uh coming up uh with uh with David.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_38: Also, um a landmark Denmark deal.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_38: I did not intend to rhyme that, by the way.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_38: Landmark Denmark.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_38: A landmark Denmark deal.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_38: I'll share with you some audio of the leaders from uh Denmark over this deal that was signed uh yesterday.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_38: And of course, you know, with keeping with the theme, individuals on the left are dismissing this completely, saying there's nothing new about this whatsoever.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_38: I don't know why we're making a big deal.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_38: No, there is.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_38: This is a very significant move, and the people of Denmark and the leadership of Denmark is incredibly excited about this.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_38: Later on in the show, uh the Star Tribune has been holding over the course of the next uh two days um this North Star Summit.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_38: So this has been a gathering of Minnesota leaders, politicians, and candidates.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_38: They've been gathering uh for an event downtown.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_38: Uh policy fellow here at American Experiment, John Phelan, uh, was actually at the event.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_38: And it's a good thing he was too, because what we'll share with you is what the Star Tribune didn't share.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_38: Uh I'm not gonna I'm not gonna um tease this.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_38: I'll let you know and then we'll talk in further detail after seven o'clock this morning.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_38: But there was supposed to be an on-stage conversation/slash debate, but I think it was more along the lines of uh of a just a conversation between the attorney general candidates, Ron Schutz and uh Thief Ellison.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_38: Well, Ellison refused to take the stage with Schutz.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_38: He ref he refused to go up there.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_38: So they had to do two separate appearances between the two attorney general candidates.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_38: And that's the least of the controversies surrounding uh Thief Ellison.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_38: And again, we'll talk more about this later on in the show, but this clip went viral yesterday.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_38: You know, typically when you are running for office, you want to reach as many voters as possible, right?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_38: I've never ran for office.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_38: I don't even think I've ever ran for a for a school position before, right?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_38: And I've talked about this before.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_38: I don't want to.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_38: I'm not built anymore for door knocking.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_38: No, no, no.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_38: I had somebody that messaged me, by the way, when I made that comment last week, and they were like, this is why you're perfect to run for office.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_38: Like, no, it's the worst reason why.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_38: I have no desire to travel the state.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_38: I have no desire to work long hours and go door knocking.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_38: Oh, no, no, no.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_38: I've had my time outdoors.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_38: I've done my time in public.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_38: Okay, that's not true.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_38: I like going out and meeting individuals at events, but no, I just to go through what is needed to run for office.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_38: I just couldn't, I just couldn't do it.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_38: And on top of that, I I'm not I'm not built for it when it comes to polling and data and just no, no, no.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_38: I just couldn't.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_38: Anyway, but I do cover elections and I do talk to candidates.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_38: And I can say with some level of authority that you want to reach as many voters as possible, right?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_38: Hillary Clinton famously made a mistake when she called Trump supporters, you know, the basket of deplorables.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_38: Well, Attorney General Thief Ellison took it a step further yesterday during this North Star Summit.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_38: I'm sorry, this this was not during the North Star Summit.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_38: This was at a separate uh campaign event with other uh supporters of his.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_38: He posted this up on, I believe he posted this up online, by the way.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just tell you in my last poll, I was down against my opponent by two points.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know that.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: My opponent is beating me by two points right now.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know if it's an accurate poll or not.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: I do know this.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: I take it seriously, and I hope you all take it seriously too.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is what you call a base election.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a base election is?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: That means whoever gets out their base, that's who's gonna win.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is the base of people who believe in freedom and justice, compassion and mercy?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: The people with the people who believe that in the equality of human beings and the dignity of all human beings, will we show up and vote?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Or will the bigots and the racists show up and vote?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Either we're gonna show up or they're gonna show up.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're not against them, they against us.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: We don't we don't want to stop them from leading their lives, they're trying to stop us from leading our lives.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_38: It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_38: Let's see how it works uh out for him.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_38: The internal polling numbers for Thief Ellison must be bad.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_38: That's my takeaway from that.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_38: The internal polling from Ellison has gotta be rough if he's willing to go and make a statement like that to immediately just disenfranchise anybody who might be, you know, associated with the right or President Donald Trump.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_38: I don't we'll talk more about this coming up after 7 o'clock.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_38: Uh uh Governor Jim Walls was there uh doing his uh part, in my opinion, to provide cover uh for uh Lamie Klobuchar.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_38: Uh she uh he took responsibility again for the uh for the fraud.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_38: And I'm convinced, again, that he's falling on the sword for the DFL.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_38: That's not surprising.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_38: I right I that's this is this would happen if it were a Republican as well.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_38: I'm not saying that, but that's what's going on when it comes to Governor Dim Walls.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_38: But he also did a uh don't judge me by my worst day kind of thing.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_38: He doesn't think that should be his his legacy.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_38: Which legacy does he want, by the way?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_38: Does he want the fraud legacy?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_38: Does he want the stolen valor legacy?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_38: Does he what want uh all the harmful rhetoric uh legacy?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_38: Uh which uh which legacy would he exactly like to go in zero in?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_14: Buffalo Fluffalo.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, that's right.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_38: Speaking of listeners, I had a listener that sent me a picture.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_38: I guess they walked in and his wife was reading to one of their children, and it was Buffalo Fluffalo.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_14: And all the creatures, from the bats to the bugs, covered old fluff with kisses and hugs.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_38: Is the um is the audio turned on for the for the laptop for the uh for the blasts over there?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_38: I'm trying to play one, but it's not uh there we go.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_31: Chief Ellison is confusing me a little bit.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_31: Is he saying his bass?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_31: He is a bigot and racist?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_37: No.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_31: Because everything he said before that he definitely is not.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_31: He has proven that over his time in office, whether he be a congressman or he'd be the attorney general.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_31: But he is nothing of the initial qualities that he gave there.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_31: No, he falls more in the bigot and racist.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_31: No, it's a good day.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_38: It's actually it's funny to me because what he described ahead of time when he went on his little rant, I was immediately aligning with conservatism.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_38: Although, you know, freedom, liberty, choice, diversity, the whole the whole nine yards.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, John, that clip you just played of Keith Ellison, Faith Ellison the booming silence.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_11: Like you could tell he said his ugly comments and was waiting.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, you know, I I know what you were going to finish up with that.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_38: He was waiting for a response.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, it was interesting.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_38: In the video itself, the the group that was around him was the reaction from them was very, very uncomfortable.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_38: So, as I mentioned, we're gonna get into further details of this, and I'll uh share more comments regarding this North uh this North Star Summit as a whole, and this uh audio from Attorney General uh Thief uh Ellison and the comments from uh Walls.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_38: Keeping with the preview of the show this morning as well, uh there is a continued demand to push Operation Metro Surge.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_38: There was actually a hearing that took place during the at the at the Capitol yesterday of some of the individuals involved, uh the family members of Good and Predi and others as they continue to try to exploit what happened late last year, early this year simply to influence the election.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_38: I'll juxtapose this next to various recent stories of ways when it comes to your own security out on the streets that you should be more concerned and uh worried about than Operation Metro Surge.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_38: No, they're grandstanding.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_38: I I I understand the family members are heartbroken.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_38: I I get it.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_38: But there's a personal responsibility angle here, and they're trying to push this.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_38: The whole public is in danger.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_38: No, you're not in danger if you don't go put yourself in danger.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_38: And then at 8 30 this morning, uh Bill Walsh, uh one of the comms directors here at uh Center of the American Experiment, he will be uh joining us uh in studio to talk about the latest uh thinking Minnesota poll.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_38: Really looking forward to uh diving into some of the results.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_38: We'll do uh kind of a two-part segment with Bill.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_38: We'll do one today, and then we'll follow it up next week again at uh 8 uh 30 next Wednesday.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_38: But today, 830, Bill Walsh, you want to see the results of this polling.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_38: Really, really interesting data coming from voters here in Minnesota ahead of this election that everybody definitely needs uh to hear.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_38: Again, the blaster line is 651-964-0294, 651-964-0294.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna get to uh some of your comments coming up here in uh just a moment on the John Justice show.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_38: First, I want to remind you that recently there was a uh a corporation, a home service company, that was sued, oddly enough, by the attorney general's office for deceptive practices, alleging that they were posing as a local business online, but they weren't.
• 15:17
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• 15:19
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• 15:24
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• 15:29
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• 15:40
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• 15:41
  SPEAKER_38: A lot of them have been bought out by corporations outside of Minnesota, outside the country, and they're no longer providing that localized, specialized, and trustworthy service that they used to, which makes it even more difficult because you asked the question who do you trust?
• 15:55
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• 16:18
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• 16:26
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• 16:30
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• 16:37
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• 16:39
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• 16:42
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• 16:48
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• 16:50
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• 16:57
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• 17:00
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna get to some of your texts and voice blasts coming up.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_38: A few of you have some uh questions today, and you've kind of put it up that says might be better for a Freedom Friday, but we'll treat it a little bit open line this morning as we work through some of the headlines, and I'll answer some of these questions and we'll get to your voicemails as well coming up on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 17:20
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• 17:25
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• 17:38
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• 17:43
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• 19:01
  SPEAKER_17: Good morning, John Rich here.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_17: So when these people talk about Alex Pretty and the other lady that got shot and killed by ice, to me, this was suicide by cops.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_17: And they elected to be there.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_17: And in response to any liberal or Democrat culture, say, what about all the victims that were raped and murdered by illegal aliens?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_17: What about them?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_17: They didn't make a choice to be in harm's way.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_17: These people at the protest did.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_17: They created the problem.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, they 100% created the problem.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_38: And we'll get into this in the uh eight o'clock uh hour this morning here on the show.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_38: But always great to uh hear from you, uh Rich.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_38: Let's go uh let's go here.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_38: Bob from Shoreview.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_38: He sent in uh this uh text uh blast.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_38: Uh might be a better uh topic for Freedom Fridays, but it applies to all situations.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_38: The Democrat Party seems to have a lot of people that don't know when they are being deceived.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_38: It takes a certain amount of intelligence and wisdom to recognize deception and to make good decisions and to choose wise public policies.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_38: You can't have wisdom without a certain minimum basic moral standard in your life.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_38: This is why the Democrat Party often gets things wrong.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_38: Do you uh the lack of moral discernment?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_38: Well, I I agree.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_38: I'm not gonna push back on it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_38: I do, I do absolutely agree.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_38: Um the other facet to this though is uh uh it is and it's a part of it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_38: I think it's less about the recognition that they're being deceived and more a lack of a desire to figure out if they're being deceived and curiosity.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_38: They just accept whatever is said by the individuals that they support that are aligned with their with their ideology, they just accept it at face value.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_38: And because if you're on the left, you can be as irrational and hypocritical as you want to be, even if it is irrational or hypocritical, and they do find out, they simply don't, they simply don't care.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_38: It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_38: As long as it furthers the agenda, as long as it helps individuals in their party win elections, you know, the the moral discernment kind of goes out the window, even if they realize they're being they're being deceived.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let me go here with this.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_38: I had a c I have this clip.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_38: I wasn't sure where I was gonna put it today, but I'll I'll um I'll I'll fit it in here.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_38: So former White House press secretary, uh Caroline Levitt, uh, she was on uh with uh Sean Hannity on his podcast.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_38: And in light of the of President Donald Trump barring uh certain media outlets from special access inside the White House and talking about fake news, they got on this subject during Sean Hannity's show.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_38: And here's a bit.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_38: Of what Caroline Levitt had to say regarding fake news and what happens behind the scenes.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_42: They, you know, believe they are arbiters of the truth and doing the country a great service, but they are clearly slanted and biased against the president.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_42: You know, I've seen it so many times where, you know, this is how fake news is manufactured for your audience to understand.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_42: You'll have the hack journalist who comes up with a narrative on their own that they think is true about the president or the White House and they love the palace intrigue stories.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_42: This person's fighting with that person and this.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_42: That's like 90% of my job was batting down fake stuff.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_42: And they'll go find a source who has every day, by the way.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_42: Every day, all day from 6 a.m.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_42: till midnight.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_42: And they'll find a source who has no idea what they're talking about, who was not in the room, doesn't even work at the White House, maybe worked on the campaign as like a volunteer staffer for one day, and they'll say, source close to President Trump told us this.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_42: Like, who's your source?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_42: Because I was in the room, so I'm a better source than them, and I'm telling you this did not happen.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_42: Well, you know, we really trust the source, and they'll still write it.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_42: All they need is two sources, one to say that happened, another for them to call and say that I heard this happen, that person will say, Yeah, that probably sounds right.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_42: And then the story's written.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_42: And you can have the White House aggressively on the record pushing back, and they'll still print.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_42: It'll be in the front page of the paper the next day.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_42: So that's how things get written.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_42: They just seek to get a bad narrative and they'll find anyone who helps them push that narrative.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_42: And the other thing, if I may, the bias of omission is the most dangerous.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_42: You can see I get all fired up about this stuff.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_42: What you don't see in the news, I watched CNN when I was in my job, I watched it all day, every day.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_42: What you don't hear.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_09: Why?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_42: Because I gotta know what the opponent's saying, Sean.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_42: I gotta be prepared.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_42: No, but you they what you don't hear.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_42: You know, the president would sign amazing executive orders or give great speeches that they don't even cover.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_42: They don't even mention that the president of the United States did this or that on any given day.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_42: Like, don't you think your audience deserves to know what their president is doing?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_42: They don't think so.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_42: And I've gotten on the phone with the leadership of all those stations and said, why are you not taking the president's remarks live?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_42: Like, just let your audience decide how they feel about this.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_42: Oh, well, we have more important things to cover today.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_42: Okay, good to know.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_38: Caroline Levitt's comment there about the omission part is really, really important.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_38: I can tell you that there have been times when I'm prepping for the show and somebody whom I either support, uh, whose opinion I respect, they could be, you know, attached to the party that I align with or not.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_38: But a prominent individual who will go and and do something dumb or say something dumb, and you'll work through a story, you'll look at the details, and what she's saying there, it's a temptation.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_38: There is a temptation there to go, well, you know what?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_38: I can cover this and just not talk about the controversial part of it.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_38: I can just leave that out.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_38: Right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_38: It's not necessarily you know, and and and I'm I'm I'm trying to think of a real-world example.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_38: I've been, you know, I've been doing this for 30 years.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_38: There are choices that need that that need to be made by commentators, and I can tell you that there have been many times when I'm covering something and there's an aspect of a particular story that would paint whoever the subject is or the issue in a bad light, but you could cover it without mentioning that to keep that kind of out, you know, off to the side for fear that it would, you know, have a negative impact on your own commentary ideologies and and and whatnot.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_38: I don't do that.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_38: I stop and I go, no, that would not be the correct thing to do.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_38: That would be wrong.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_38: There's a there's a there's a moral obligation, there's a trust obligation that I have to the audience, so I'm not gonna do that.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_38: And often it leads to having to cover when people that you support, candidates, policies, you need to go and tell the entire story, and it may not look good for your party, and you have to go and do that.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_38: If you're being truthful and honest, you know, we are, you know, we're all sinful and fall short of the glory of God, and we we're all flawed.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_38: But what Caroline Levitt was saying there was absolutely relevant.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_38: You see, what happens is too many people don't do what I just described.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_38: In that moment, they take a different path, they take a different choice because they don't care.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_38: Because they don't have any credibility, they don't have any moral ground or moral standing.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_38: And so because of that, you end up with what she described in that piece.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_38: And make no mistake, when it comes to the moral, the moral high ground, the leftists simply don't have it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_38: I had this clip too.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_38: Let me go ahead and share it with you.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_38: This is Senator Chris Murphy, again, talking about the press and the banning of the uh of the of the press.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, he had uh this to say regarding Trump supporters and what information that they should or shouldn't have access to.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so government should build a set of rules in which people feel more powerful, that's why the minimum wage is so important, and people feel so more connected.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's why you know rebuilding healthy institutions in your town should be a project that government is involved in.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: That's why regulating the internet so that you're spending less time alone on Instagram should be an important government project.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: And if people are feeling more powerful and less lonely, then they are gonna be less likely to fall for a bullshit demagogue like Donald Trump.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_04: And so my book is about how do you rebuild a sense of connectedness to your neighbors, um, a sense of power in your life so that it becomes a prophylactic to demagogues like Donald Trump.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_38: Again, he wants what he's saying there is that he wants control over the internet to keep information away from voters regarding President Donald Trump.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_38: That's a senator for crying out loud.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_38: He's one of the more wack-a-doodle of all the senators.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_38: All right, get your questions in for David Gartenstein Ross.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_38: We have him uh waiting in the wings.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_38: We'll bring him on in just a moment here on uh the John Justice show.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_38: Before I do, though, I do want to get to the one other story that I previewed a moment ago, and it fits with the theme of what we're talking about right now.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, Denmark's prime minister heaping praise on President Donald Trump for his permanent security deal.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_38: Trump says U.S.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_38: military bases will immediately begin increasing.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_38: There is no cost to taxpayers, and it seems as if this is a win across the board for everybody involved, for the United States, for us citizens, for the voters, and for the people of Denmark.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_38: And again, the Prime Minister is incredibly pleased about this deal uh as well.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_38: Here's audio of the Denmark Prime Minister.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Has defended the free world, created prosperity and progress, peace and freedom.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I am very proud to say that in the Kingdom of Denmark, the United States has a friend that has always kept our word, an ally you have always been able to rely on.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: And this day represents a milestone in our long-standing cooperating.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Seventy-five years ago, we entered into an agreement about the defence of Greenland.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Today we are signing an even bigger and better agreement, a deal that can last forever.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: This deal is good for the United States, it's good for Greenland, for Denmark, for the NATO alliance, and therefore also good for Europe.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, we are strengthening our common security, boosting our common deterrents, showing our adversaries who we are, and we are doing it together.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: President, you have been very clear.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want adversaries to come too close.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: I fully agree.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: And with this deal, they are not.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: We are making sure that they will not be allowed to get any control or significant influence in Greenland.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we are making sure that more allies are present in the Arctic at the same time.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Our agreement today underlines the importance of the NATO alliance, and we welcome engagement and involvement in Greenland from partners and allies even more.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: This agreement also recognizes the United States defining the historical and ongoing contributions to the security and defense of Greenland.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_38: And what was one of the first comments under the video?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_38: When I pulled this video, a blue check mark the first comment under the video was this it didn't happen.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_38: Trump didn't get to Greenland and the deal is basically no different than the arrangement that's been in place for decades.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_38: Denmark just manipulated the buffoons in the administration to perceive a win.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_38: Basically, the shut up the idiot in the White House and get him to go bother someone else.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_38: Just a made-up conspiracy.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_38: There's nothing to base that off of.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_38: If you look at the details, it's completely wrong.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_38: I went and did my research.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_38: This is absolutely a different deal than what was before.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_38: Are there similarities?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_38: Sure there are, but it is an enhanced deal at a I mean, maybe you could go and make that argument.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_38: It doesn't matter, though.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_38: It doesn't matter to those that suffer from, and it's trite, but I'm gonna say it anyways, Trump derangement syndrome.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_38: It simply doesn't.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_38: All right, we have more audio from Trump.
• 32:30
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• 32:33
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  SPEAKER_08: AI is kind of a fancy thing.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_08: It's first of all, it's two letters.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_08: It means artificial intelligence.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_08: But ultimately, what it is is it's about machine learning.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_08: And so the machine is taught.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_08: And part of the issue here is what information is going into the Kamala Harris talking uh AI.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_38: Thankfully, we have an individual who's a lot more knowledgeable than Kamala Harris is regarding artificial intelligence, and his name is David Gartenstein Ross, and he is the CEO of Expert Theory.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_38: Good morning, David.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_38: Always great to talk with you, sir.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: Good morning, John, and likewise.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_38: President Donald Trump announced a plan to rename artificial intelligence to superintelligence, claiming that it's more accurate, uh accurate and less doing that thing with my fingers fake, according to the editorial in front of me.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_38: They go on to say, however, this move is seen as a distraction from the real concerns surrounding AI, particularly potential dangers of artificial general intelligence and the need for regulation.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_38: Experts warn that AI is rapidly advancing and can soon surpass human control, posing significant risk to humanity.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_38: I feel like we talk about that aspect of uh AI almost every week, David, but I would like to get your instinctive reaction to Trump wanting to rename artificial intelligence super intelligence.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: My my um how to respond to that?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I don't know.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_05: I I feel like as a Trump idea, I I would put it kind of in line with his press conference where he talked about how nobody knows what magnets are.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_38: I have the audio of Trump.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_38: Would you like to hear Trump uh make the comment?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_05: I I would love I would love to play this audio, John.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_38: Okay, all right.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_38: Let's let's uh let's go with it.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_38: This is from the uh UN uh General Assembly uh yesterday.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_38: Let me just make sure that I got the uh the uh the right clip.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, here we go.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_41: These are the same people that are now saying that AI is going to kill us all, that robots are going to attack us, and that everything is going to be a total disaster.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_41: Same group of people.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_41: This is the group that came up with the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax, the Ukraine-Ukraine-Ukraine hoax, climate change, open borders.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_41: Whoever wins AI, you have to remember this.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_41: And now I say, whoever wins SI, whoever wins, superintelligent wins.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_41: That's the group that wins.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_41: And we're leading now over China by a lot and everyone else.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_41: And we're going to keep it that way.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_41: We're going to keep it very very straight and very strong.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_41: I'm not going to stifle growth of something that will be bigger than the Industrial Revolution.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_41: Many say bigger than the Industrial Revolution or the Internet itself.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_38: David, I don't think we should be renaming artificial intelligence.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_38: I don't think we should have renamed UFOs to UAP, but what do I know?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_38: I the one question with this, though, on a serious note, is superintelligence more accurate than artificial intelligence?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_38: Or does it even matter, David?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, so what's actually super interesting about that clip is that what he was saying makes way more sense in context than the reporting on it.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um so it in context of what he's saying, superintelligence does make sense, right?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um at any rate, like I don't think we should rename AI.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh what I get from that clip, though, admittedly it's not 100% clear, is not necessarily an attempt for him to rename artificial intelligence.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um what he said is who um who wins artificial intelligence, but what I want to say is who wins super intelligence wins.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_05: And that actually, as we talked about last week, seems to be a relatively true statement.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_38: Let's get to some of the questions that have uh rolled in via the uh listeners in the email uh this morning.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_38: Um we have a handful of stories that we can uh discuss.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_38: But as always, we like doing a bit of uh ask to vide anything here on the show.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_38: Or as these individuals, friends of the show, did email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_38: Lori writes in and says, I'm writing to share a key recommendation regarding AI governance and accountability rather than attempting to regulate the underlying code, which quickly becomes obsolete as the technology evolves.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_38: Congress should focus on establishing clear statutory liability and strict penalties for the tangible harms caused by AI development.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_38: Now, Lori goes on to say more, but let's just go ahead and start there.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_38: Um, what are your thoughts on uh Lori's uh opening uh opening commentary?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's correct.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_05: I think that that the um this should be in place.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not sure how much it uh it would deviate from what is in place currently, right?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_05: If you want to use AI to hack into another system, you'll be liable for that.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um it seems that liability for harms imposed does exist.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_05: There may be some outer limits to this where AI has aided people in malign things and companies aren't necessarily liable, but I you know I endorse the idea.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um I'm not opposed to regulation of AI itself.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_05: I just haven't seen like strong ideas to do so that as a governance perspective would would be effective.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that's what Lori's comment gets at.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go uh here to the uh blaster line, 651-964-02 uh 94.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_39: By changing the name on all government documents to Supreme Intelligence or whatever, uh, what the implications of that are gonna be.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_39: Um notice you didn't play that in the clip, but Trump said that he was changing every government document to reference supreme intelligence of artificial intelligence.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_39: So just curious if there's any um problems with that or what that means for the industry.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_39: Thank you.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_38: And by the way, David, before you answer, that might be like the first legitimate question from foe of the show, uh Mildred slash Eric, we've ever received.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_38: So wow, uh stranger things uh may not uh happen on the show today.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_38: But what are your thoughts on the uh on the listeners uh the listeners' question?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um wow, that is super interesting, right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um the the answer is no, not it's not a good idea to um to to change it uh from AI to superintelligence.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um I I'm not sure if he'll be like um go going back and changing it, but like the cost of renaming things is actually extraordinarily high.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_05: So like one of the interesting things, I I live in North Carolina, I live close um to Fort Bragg.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Fort Bragg used to be called Fort Bragg, then it got renamed under the Biden administration, it was renamed Fort Liberty, and then Trump trained changed it back to Fort Bragg, um, but to a different Bragg.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: And uh what it related to was the renaming of bases.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: That were named after Confederate generals.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: And so under Hegstath, it got renamed Bragg, but a non-Confederate Bragg.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_05: At any rate, like the renaming of the base was extraordinarily expensive logistically, right?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_05: You had to redo all street signs, you had to redo reams of documents.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, ultimately, if they're kind of going back and changing government documents to say superintelligence is a artificial intelligence, the cost of that is extremely high.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_05: That is not a good idea, would be the bottom line.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, we had something similar here a few years back when we, you know, needlessly went and changed our state flag and seal and then had to move forward.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_38: All the municipalities across the state had to independently go and change.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_38: The flag wasn't a big deal, but the state seal was because it's on a lot of our law enforcement uniforms.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_38: So we dealt with something uh very similar uh with that regard.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go back to the uh blaster line, 651-964-0294, as we continue our discussion with our AI analyst and expert, the CEO of Expert Theory, uh DGR.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_27: Hey, good morning, John DeVine Alex, Self River.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_27: Hey, how likely is it that these big companies who've already laid the groundwork and did all the hard work to advance AI are behind all these new regulations that um that they want to push for that the government they want the government to get involved so the little guys uh can't take advantage of the new technology and get caught up.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_27: Have a great day.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_38: A little conspiratorial, but David, what are your uh what are your thoughts?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_05: No, I I don't think it's I mean it is conspiratorial, but I think it it perhaps is close to the truth.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um like a number of things can be true at once, but I um oftentimes when a leader in an industry then asks for regulation, um there are commercial reasons as opposed to just um reasons that are uh purely idealistic and seeking the greater good.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um that I feel that the um leaders of major AI companies who are warning about the rapid improvements in AI, like I do feel that there is sincerity there, but I don't think that we should discount that there also may be commercial reasons that um they would benefit from having regulations like this in place.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um generally, I think that's the case.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like um you'll you'll you see multiple industries where industry leaders get out ahead, then demand regulation relatively quickly, and regulation um you know may help to take like a Wild West frontier type of field and discipline it, but it also makes it harder for others to break in.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_05: I do think that this is going on.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's part of the the conversation.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_38: Had an email that came in from a friend of the show, Gary, and uh he writes, uh would like Devide's uh David's thoughts on this.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_38: AI will not destroy humanity on its own for the following reasons.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_38: He says, one, humanity is not a direct threat to AI.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_38: It has no reason to eliminate humanity for self-preservation.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_38: Ironically, he says in parentheses, uh, the people calling to control or eliminate AI are actually giving AI a reason to think it's being threatened.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_38: He says, then two, since AI's purpose is to serve humanity, uh, it would remove AI's purpose if it eliminated humanity.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_38: Um, let me, there's um two more here, but before we get further, let's just park on those first two from Gary.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_38: Humanity, not a direct threat to AI.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_38: Um, since AI's purpose is to serve humanity, they would be eliminating their own purpose.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_38: David, what are your thoughts?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: I I love Gary's uh logic.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: I like how he puts it together.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, the main thing I'd uh disagree with is the idea that AI's purpose has to be to serve humanity.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think that if you look at all of the initial models that have been rolled out publicly, that is the purpose, right?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_05: It is there to serve uh the user, not necessarily humanity as a whole, but at the very least the user of the AI.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_05: But you can create AI very easily with different preconceptions.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_05: You can create a model where the purpose is to subvert or undermine humanity.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it would reply to that imperative because it's not you know inherently teleologically set up to serve humanity.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that's where the concern comes into play about AI destroying humanity, the fact that there's nothing inherent in AI that would make it desire to serve humanity.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_38: He goes on to say desire for power and violence are emotions, and emotionless AI does not have a need for either.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_38: And then he says, uh, the Vulcans from Star Trek were beings of pure intellect that were non-violent.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_38: The logical path is to cooperate instead of destroying to achieve the maximum uh benefit.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_38: Do you have any thoughts on that, David?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_05: No, I mean, as I said, I I like the comment, and I think there's a lot that is true there.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_05: I I think that by its nature, though, AI will not necessarily always be on humanity's side.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that's where the concerns about recursive self-improvement um come into play.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_05: Like, if you step back from this, like we we talked about last week, lots of things are true at once, right?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_05: I actually think that this is one of those weird debates where lots of things that lots of people say are true, um, other than other than two genres of things, right?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_05: One genre that is untrue is that AI just kind of sucks, right?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_05: And you you sent me an op-ed that someone had written about that, and it's just like clearly it's not true that AI just kind of like it's just not very good at what it does.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_05: If it if it were if it weren't good, we wouldn't be talking about it destroying humanity, right?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like um, my daughters are of the age, they're really into squishies.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_05: Are you familiar with squishies, John?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_37: Oh yeah.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_37: Oh yeah.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_05: Super trendy, right?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_05: Like, we're not we're not worried about squishies destroying humanity writ large because there's no they're not gonna get they're not gonna be capable enough.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_05: Squishies are squishies.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_05: AI is um you know, if AI were not capable, we would not be worried about destroying humanity, displacing jobs, etc.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_05: So that's one genre that's that I I don't buy into.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_05: The other genre I don't buy into is the vast majority of policy proposals that we've seen are deeply flawed.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: But like going back to the earlier um blast about whether um industry leaders are trying to lock in their advantage, I think they're both concerned about the destructive power of AI and they're trying to lock in their advantage.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think that when it comes to AI, it's in part designed to serve humanity, but like maybe it isn't, right?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it nothing inherently is designed to serve humanity.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_05: There's lots of different ways to look at this thing, and it's developing so rapidly.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's I know you're a science fiction fan, John, and it's actually, I would say AI is developing so rapidly and chaotically that it reminds me of science fiction in the sense that you can see multiple realities spinning out at the same time, some of which are utopian, some of which are catastrophic.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: And you can sort of see the potential embedded in multiple developments that are occurring at the same time that can be seen as weak signals of the future that we might step into.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_38: I was trying to channel my inner David earlier this week.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_38: Melinda had asked me a very broad question uh just regarding, you know, where I believe and where I think AI is going.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_38: And the one sort of takeaway I had, and this is more commentary to V, but as always, I'm curious to get your thoughts.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_38: It's um it's interesting to me when I begin to think about these younger generations, kids that are in grade school, um, much in the same way of those younger generations that grew up never not having the internet, like you and like like you and me.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_38: You know, we grew up for a long period of time without having the internet.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_38: We know what life was back then, but there's entire generations now that don't know a world without the internet.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna have entire generations now that aren't um will uh be living in a world that will forever have had artificial intelligence.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_38: And it's gonna be very, it's gonna be very interesting to see, you know, it's an understatement, obviously, it's why we talk about this every week, but just what what kind of overall aspect it has upon humanity because it does it it it is gonna change things, and we've talked about this.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_38: It's gonna change things in dramatic ways.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_05: Well, um I agree strongly.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_38: Under under uh an understatement of uh of the conversations, right?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go here.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_38: We got another comment that rolled into the blaster line as we continue our discussion with uh DGR, the CEO of Expert Theory and our uh expert analyst.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_17: Good morning.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_17: David, I have a question.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_17: So AI has practically been in use for how long?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_17: We've used it in military applications.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_17: Also, I believe we've had data centers since the beginning of the internet and had data centers on our military basis for over 30 years.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_17: Correct me uh where the origins are and some of the timelines, please.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_17: So this isn't new, this is just new to the civilian market, is what I'm understanding.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_38: David, let me add something to this because it goes back to the editorial that you mentioned that the friend of the show had written that I sent with you um uh over the weekend.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_38: Then I had actually addressed this on the show earlier in the week.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_38: There seems to be a lot of crossover confusion between um, you know, things like Alexa, uh, what we use on our smartphones previously before AI really took over, data centers in the past versus data centers uh now.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_38: So, you know, with that, uh, can you provide a little bit more uh clarity for those that get a little bit confused over previous technologies that I feel get mistaken too often for artificial intelligence because they really weren't AI at the time?
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'd say actually, John, that a lot of the earlier technologies you're pointing to were artificial intelligence.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's just the nature of artificial intelligence, uh like we have a new generation of artificial intelligence, the large language model.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_05: So, like I I actually love the listener's question.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: So let me take a moment to to dive in on this.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um I I it's hard for me to resist an opportunity to kind of go and provide a sweep of history, but artificial intelligence has been around for about 70 years in some form.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_05: Like 70 years.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um the uh in 1950, there's this famous thing called the Turing test.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um Alan Turing uh created it, and it it um could measure machine intelligence um based on when a machine can sound cannot be distinguished from a human.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um so the Turing test, in my view, was only really fully um surpassed with the advent of large language models.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_05: I think at this point, um large language models can disguise themselves as a human for the vast majority of users, um, and there are copious examples of that.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: But that shows what how people are thinking about AI in the 1950s.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_05: The term was coined in 1956 um at a conference at Dartmouth University.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_05: Then we started to actually see AI used for the first time in the 1960s to the 1980s.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_05: There were early chatbots during this period, um, and you know, there were there were AI booms and AI winters during this period.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_05: The artificial intelligence wasn't that good, but it was an earlier version of artificial intelligence.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_05: One of the biggest moments in artificial intelligence history came in 1997 when IBM created this chess-playing artificial intelligence called Deep Blue, which beat the world chess champion, Gary Kasparov.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_05: Now, prior to that, from the 60s through the through 1997, you had a number of other chess milestones.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, like the reason why chess was so important is because people saw a measure of when you actually had a superintelligence as when AI could become better at chess than the world chess champion, chess being thought of as something that um is the ultimate test of mental uh uh of um cerebral fitness, to quote a famous 1980s era song, uh, which you may recognize.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um but at any rate, 1997 was when that threshold was crossed.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_05: Gary Kasparov lost to Deep Blue, and since then no world chess champion has been able to beat um a computer.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_05: Then in 2012 to about 2017, you had this kind of AI called uh deep learning and neural networks takeoff.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um then around then after that, the next wave was large language models.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um, with uh you know, around 2022, 2023 being the real boom when you had the breakthrough with Chat GPT.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_05: But all of those were artificial intelligence.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_05: And your listener is correct that it's um with the it's the internet boom when we first started to see data centers being used en masse, and we've seen a buildup of data centers over the course of the past 26 years.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um, there so there's a lot here that is new, right?
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like there what is going on now is not just the same as it was before, but also it's not wholly new.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_05: We've had AI for 70 years, we have we've had data centers for 30 something years, um, and so it's it's an extension of a trend, not something that is unprecedented.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_38: Is the turning point?
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_38: Well, let me set the let me set an example here.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_38: I saw a video the other day, and it's pretty famous now.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, I think it goes back just a handful of years, might be 2020 or 2022.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_38: But it was one of the first AI generated uh videos, and it was Will Smith trying to eat a bowl of spaghetti, and it's just this most garbled, you know, AI slop mess.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_38: Very disturbing.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_38: Uh and the video is a progression, it's a montage of year after year of just how you know how quickly AI has advanced.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_38: Um has there been a turning point that the advancement has now sped up?
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_38: Or is it just in this case, for the for the sake of our conversation, is it just my perception because we now have a visual um, you know, something to look at to actually show how quickly it's advanced in terms of the image creation and video creation.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_05: There there is zero question that the advancement has sped up.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: And part of that is um that AI is now the best AI engineer in the world.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_37: Okay.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_05: So previously advances in AI had to come from human engineers.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, humans are a part of advancing AI, right?
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_05: They're essential to advances in AI.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_05: But if you wanted to create code to improve artificial intelligence, a large part of that code is going to be handled by bots.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_05: And what that means, because AI can now automate the process of improving artificial intelligence, suddenly it speeds up because each advance has a compounding effect.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: The smarter it becomes, the better able it is to code, which then in turn improves itself.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yes, it is absolutely speeding up.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_05: And that's part of where like these existential concerns about recursive self-improvement and things like that come into play.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, this is why, you know, I I think I have a foot in two different sets of ideas, but it's why I am not dismissive of the massive dangers in AI improvement.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_05: That like it is speeding up significantly, and each time AI improves, it sets the stage for further and faster AI improvements.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_38: David, let's wrap on this as we head into the second hour for a Wednesday here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_38: Um, which app should I uh should I add to my phone and laptop when it comes to AI?
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_38: Which AI app and what should I expect to pay for this?
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_38: I'm 73 and still uh still working, but feeling a bit confused on how to proceed.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_38: I feel like we uh we get a version of this every week, but it's always a good reminder to get your uh to get your thoughts to V.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_05: I recommend Chat GPT uh because it has the best combination of number one, uh being you know smart and useful, and number two, um having um you know uh higher token limits mean that you can do do more with it.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_05: There's a free version of ChatGPT.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_05: I would start with the free version uh to see the utility that you're getting.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um if you get utility out of it, I would upgrade to at least the$20 a month version.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think the you know, depending on how much use you get out of it, the$100 a month version can also be useful.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but you know, I I would also recommend um spending a little bit of money um seeing if you could hire someone to help you uh with the setup, someone who you trust.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_05: I I helped John's dad uh set up um you know Chat GPT on his computer and created uh um uh a number of different kind of priors for it to help incorporate it into his work cycle.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I I I think that the way that uh like the other thing though I would say is it can also help you on its own.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_05: Um I've just uh see that for people who are a little bit older and haven't been using computers for a while, um, or like haven't been at the cutting edge of computers for a while, there could be some confusion as you put it in place.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_05: So I would try to reduce that confusion as much as possible.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_05: One of the great things about AI is it can help to train you on using it better on its own.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, ChatGPT, um, you can start with the free version.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_05: The free version is powerful.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um if you like it, I suggest upgrading to the$20 a month version.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_38: CEO of uh Expert Theory, David Gartenstein Ross, DGR.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_38: Thanks always, my friend, for joining us today.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_38: Enjoyed the discussion, and I look forward to uh talking with you again uh next week.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_05: Likewise, John, look forward to it.
• 1:03:15
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• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:05:05
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• 1:05:11
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• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_38: Before we dive into this North Star summit that took place in downtown Minneapolis, um our own John Phelan was there, not without some controversy, although you wouldn't know it if you were just paying attention to some of the local media outlets.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_38: I know you're sitting there, not surprised in the least bit, and you shouldn't.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_38: Uh before we do that, though, let's go here.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, yesterday, uh President Donald Trump met with senior representatives from 12 Middle Eastern countries in an expanded gathering on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly discussing the war with Iran, the Strait of Ormuz, and broader regional security.
• 1:05:50
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• 1:05:52
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• 1:06:00
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• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_38: I know gas prices are stupid, but they need to be lower.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_38: It sucks.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_38: It's tied to what's going on with Iran.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_38: I personally feel that it's worth it to make sure that Iran can't develop a nuclear weapon.
• 1:06:15
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• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_38: Um, we need to get this finished.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Iran, it would appear, feels like that they're, you know, they've got a bit of ground here because of the frustration when it comes to energy prices here in the uh here in the U.S.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_38: That being said, here's my question for you.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_38: Are you paying attention when you fill up the gas tank?
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_38: Are you getting mad?
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_38: Or are you just filling up the gas tank?
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_38: Just out of curiosity.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_38: I was talking with Melinda about this last night, and I had a theory.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_38: Um, because she was, you know, she's concerned like everybody is when it comes to the midterm elections.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_38: Um, we, you know, we we want results uh that align with what we believe.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_38: We what we feel is best, not just for the country, but for this uh great state of of Minnesota.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_38: And uh to that, she was, you know, expressing her frustration regarding the gas prices.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_38: We got to lower them.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_38: And uh for me personally, I don't pay attention.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_38: Like I filled up Monty yesterday or the day before.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I looked at the pump and I went, ugh, that's gross.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_38: And that was it.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_38: The point that I made to Melinda, though, is that the gas prices have been high for a long time.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, when you go back to Biden, right, and they're depending on where you are, uh, there are moments over the course of Trump's second term where they have sort of spiked higher than what they were sort of consistently throughout the four years of President Joe Biden.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_38: But I'm curious, you know, how much is this not how is it going to impact you in the election?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_38: I think the you know, the majority of the friends of the show, right?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_38: I think I've got a pretty good idea of how you're going to be voting.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_38: But I am curious how much the gas prices are impacting you and whether you're even paying attention at the pump when you fill up your your car.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_38: You know, with that, there's an interesting dynamic at play.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_38: I was, you know, again, going back to the conversation I was having with with Melinda, and I was thinking about how the Democrats continue to use this as a talking point to push back against Republicans, uh, as they frame this election as being all about Trump, even though Trump isn't on the ballot.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_38: The gas price one makes me laugh, though, because for the majority of those on the left, for the leftists, you would think that they would be perfectly fine with the gas prices being high because they've been champions of, you know, green energy and EVs.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_38: And what better way to drive people to go and purchase electric vehicles than having, you know, astronomically high gas prices?
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_38: Now, this is me looking at this from a rational common sense perspective.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_38: And when we're talking about leftists, that often isn't the case.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_38: So, um, gas prices.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_38: How are they impacting you?
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_38: Are you paying attention at the pump at all?
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_38: Do you get mad?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_38: Do you care?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_38: Do you feel like it's worth it?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_38: We'll get to some of your comments on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_38: Now, President Trump meeting with these 12 Middle Eastern um countries um started, uh stated that there was momentum towards a potential agreement again with Iran, emphasized the importance of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_38: The meeting also addressed the Houthi offensive in Yemen and the ongoing Gaza conflict.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_38: I think it's pretty clear that Iran feels like they've pushed this and they've been successful in pushing it.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_38: You can't deny that.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_38: You know, they've pushed this whole thing as close to the election as possible when it comes to especially the difficulties with the Strait of Ormuz and the impact that that's had, which is really unfortunate.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_38: I wish it wasn't the case, but it is.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_38: In the midst of all of this, as your comments roll in, President Donald Trump warned he did a willy, it was kind of a willy or won't he, once again.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_38: So Trump warning of the annihilation of Iran.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_38: And it was funny because the uh Tehran representative.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_38: I watched the video.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_38: I have the audio that I'll share with you here in uh in just a moment.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_38: The uh the look on the Iranian representative's face was just priceless as Trump's making these comments.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_38: Just he's he's sitting there just still stoic.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, it was a resting bitch face, let's just be clear.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_38: It was a resting bitch face, and he might as well have been, you know, sending out, you know, mind bullets, daggers.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_38: That's what it looked like.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_38: Here was President Donald Trump yesterday addressing the uh UN General Assembly.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_41: But I have a big decision to make.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_41: Will a deal be made with Iran that lets them rebuild and create a far greater country than it ever was before?
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_41: Maybe one of the greatest in the Middle East or even the world?
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_41: Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again?
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_41: Do I drive them into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_41: But I believe we'll make a deal right after the election.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_38: The interesting thing to note about that comment, by the way, it's not really anything new coming from Trump.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_38: But that was a part of his speech.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_38: Like that was calculated.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_38: At least that was my perception of it.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_38: You can kind of hear it in his tone when he is speaking.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_38: That that it was reading off of the prompter.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the reason I bring it up is because if it's written, then it's something that they specifically wanted to go and get across during this General Assembly, as opposed to that's not to say that when Trump talks, he's not trying to do that.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_38: But that wasn't very intentional.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_38: Trump is, you know, famous for deviating, you know, taking an off-ramp on his speeches that are pre-written and then getting back on again.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_38: That, though, was specifically written, it appears.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_38: And so they definitely, he definitely ore wrote it in the administration, wanted to get that point across.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_38: Let's get to some of uh your thoughts, though, from the blaster line.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_38: Comments are rolling in.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_38: Um, this comment: virtually everyone I work with, conservatives and liberals, say they're not going to vote for Republicans because of the gas prices.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_38: I don't believe you.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_38: No offense.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_38: Where are you working?
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, maybe I'll give you liberals, but they were gonna vote for Republicans anyway.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_38: So again, and I don't mean offense to that.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_38: That was my instinctive reaction.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_38: Immediately I had the image of Ron Burgundy.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_38: I don't believe you.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_38: Where are you working at?
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_38: And that's interesting.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_38: If that's true, if it's true, and let's just let me back up.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_38: Okay, let's just assume it's true for a second.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_38: What an interest.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_38: That is a very interesting notion that somebody would not out of everything.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_38: That's the one thing.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_38: The gas prices, that's the that deals off.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_38: Very, very interesting.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_38: Got another comment that uh rolled in.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_38: I'd rather drive a gas car versus an EV because I can refuel and driving it in five minutes, where of course an EV uh requires at least half hour to recharge, and good luck trying to find an open charge station.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_38: Well, what are your thoughts though on the prices themselves?
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_38: Is it, you know, are you getting mad while you're at the pump?
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_38: Um, are you in approval that it's worth the cost for what we're doing with uh with Iran?
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_38: That's what we're uh looking for.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's see.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Hey John, I really only pay attention to, he says, my fill when I'm filling at the truck.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_38: I don't know.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_38: I think that was a typo.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_38: Oh, when I fill up the truck.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_38: Um one that takes 22 or 23 gallons.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_38: So yeah, the price gets up there.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_38: With the car, not so much, but it does take premium, so it's a little higher.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_38: But you know what you gotta do, what you gotta do, says uh Jeff in Lindstrom.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_38: Great show.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_38: Thank you, Jeff.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, that's where I'm at.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_38: Monty takes premium.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_38: And uh I I've just become whether I'm filling up my car or Melinda's car, I'm just I I told this to Melinda last night, I've just become accustomed to paying 60 to 65, you know, for a for a for a full tank.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_38: What are you paying for?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_38: Are you paying Devin?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_38: Are you paying attention when you fill up the car?
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_38: When you fill up your car, you drive you drive, you drive a little SUV, right?
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I have a very small tank.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_06: So usually, and I don't drain it at all.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_06: So usually it's like 35 bucks for a full tank.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_06: But if I'm really low, it'll get up to 50.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_06: And that makes me mad.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_06: That makes you mad.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_06: If it's up there, I agree with the truck callback.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, um, you know, so there's sort of a baseline for it.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_38: You're not letting, you're not letting the gas get too low.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_38: So when you get to go to fill it up, you're not spending a lot.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_38: But when you do and you get hit with the$50 price, it ends up uh affecting you.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Chad from says, uh, I still think there are Democrat politicians who are telling Iran to hold out until the midterm elections.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I don't um I don't disagree with you on on that.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_38: Look at the people like John Kerry, ties to Iran during Trump's first term when he was talking to uh to them.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_38: Let's move over to some of the audio that has rolled in to the uh blaster line.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_38: Again, uh 651-964-0294.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_38: A lot of comments rolling in, certainly touched a chord this morning.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_28: Hey John, here from Cambridge.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_28: Uh yeah, I kind of feel like a jerk whenever I say that I really don't pay attention to the gas prices because I have a company vehicle and they pay for that gas.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_28: So in my car, I haven't got some gas in a month.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_28: That's right.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_38: Well, then it doesn't really impact you, does it?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, I appreciate you playing.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_38: But at the same time, you're not having to pay for any of the gas.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_38: Wow, they pay for all your gas, huh?
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_38: That's amazing.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_38: Usually you just get a certain, you know, a certain price point per per gallon or miles driven.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_31: I don't really look at the well, I look at the price of gas and it does make me hurt.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_31: But it's not Donald Trump's fault.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_31: If you look at the price per barrel under Obama and Biden, it was higher.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_31: But now the barrel has gone down previously and the gas price has stayed the same.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_31: So we need to look at the large oil companies and see if they're gouging us.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_31: Because most of them are probably Democrat voters.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_31: And they want to keep the price high so that Democrats get elected.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_31: So I'm not b I'm not blaming Donald Trump at all.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_31: I'm looking at the oil companies and how they're fleecing us and trying to influence the election.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_38: You know, I don't want to wipe out too hard here.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_38: I just want to hit this point.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_38: There is too there is too much monetary value that's attached to nonsense.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_38: It's arbitrary.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_38: He's right.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, there it without evidence, right?
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_38: The the way that things get manipulated, he has a he has a really good point.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_38: But there are so many aspects of our daily lives and the the uh costs that are associated with it that are just they're not tangible, they're just arbitrary.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_38: You know, stock markets, the way they fluctuate, and the millions and millions of dollars that are gained or lost based off of speculation, pure speculation.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_38: It's in it really is, it's it's incredible.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_38: We were, oh gosh, how did we go down this road?
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_38: I think we were watching somebody smoking on television with something to this effect.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_38: And somebody made a comment about a carton of cigarettes, and I mean, so so much so many, so many of these little deviations that I have on the show are revolve around conversations with uh with Melinda, right?
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_38: But we were having a conversation about this, and we in pre in a previous life, we smoked.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_38: I smoked when I was younger.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_38: I think I might have been up to a pack a day.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_38: And this is going back to the dark years.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_38: I had made a deal um with myself and Melinda that the moment that she became pregnant, I would quit smoking, and I did.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_38: Uh I just quit cold turkey.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_38: I think I did the the ridiculous nicotine gum for a very short period of time.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_38: But I did.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_38: That was it.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_38: I just quit, I quit, I quit smoking uh once she became pregnant with uh with Logan.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_38: But we were looking at the the cost of a carton of cigarettes in Minnesota.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, it's upwards of like$100.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_38: Like$12,$13 a pack.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_38: When we were growing up, it was like two and three bucks.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_38: I think maybe four.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_38: But again, going back to that, it's just arbitrary.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_38: It's just a syntax.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_38: Just because the politicians in Minnesota decided, you know what, people love to smoke, they're addicted to it.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_38: A lot of people aren't gonna quit.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_38: So we'll just, you know, make the prices really super high.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_38: And people still just go buy them.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_38: We'll just collect that money.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_38: Oh, and then all the fraudsters can go and take it from us.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, I do have some fraud uh updates for you coming up in just a moment on the show.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_38: Let's get back to a few more of uh your thoughts on the uh price of gasoline currently.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_21: Hey, John, I pay attention to everything, and I definitely feel the cost of uh the higher gas prices.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_21: But what drives me nuts is when we have higher gas prices and it's self-inflicted by our own internal U.S.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_21: policies.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_21: In this case, I can at least see why it's happening and I understand it, and I know it will end.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_21: So that's why it doesn't bother me excessively.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_38: And there's a part of me that wishes the administration would approach it this way.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_38: There's a part of me that wish there was a little bit more honesty.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_38: And again, this goes back to what I said last hour on the show that uh this is why I'll probably never run for office because I would be a horrible politician.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_38: But I I I I wish it was framed more that way.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_38: I've seen commentators frame it this way of and like I did.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_38: I I'm paying a lot at the pump, I understand that, but I also chose to draw to drive and to purchase a car that needs premium gasoline in Monty.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_38: That's a decision that I made personally, and therefore I have to pay more in gas, and it's exacerbated by what's happening with the gas prices, but I also understand that this is a an effort that needs to be um undertaken regarding Iran, and I'm willing to pay more for that gas.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_38: Those are choices that I made.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_38: And I almost wish the administration would come out and speak to the voters that way.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_38: This is temporary, but it's also the cost that we have to share in order to make sure that Iran can't continue with their tyrannical, murderous, uh, murderous ways.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_30: By and large, I don't think too much about the gas prices.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_30: I mean they're they're crazy.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_30: Uh but nothing worse than we've really seen in the past few years.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_30: What does worry me is the diesel prices, because that is a concerted effort to make things look worse for the California and all the refineries they shut down.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_30: Of course, buying diesel worms in Ukraine that still continues.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_30: Um yeah, there's artificial constraints on the supply of diesel.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_30: And of course prices are going up, but that's the lifeblood of the country, and NASA's gonna just kick the economy right in the right in the nards there.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_38: So Yeah, we do not want uh economy nard kicking.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_38: Nor did I have nard kicking on my bingo card for today's show.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna get back to more of your thoughts.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_38: What um what are your thoughts on the gas prices?
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_38: I guess that's the overall question, but does it impact you?
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_38: Does it frustrate you?
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_38: Uh do you think that it's worth it right now?
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, you know, and I'll throw in there, is it impacting, you know, your your vote?
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_38: Uh in just a moment, the Trump administration will remove 760,000 Affordable Care Act enrollees over fraud claims.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_38: I'm gonna give you details on that as we continue to uh spike in your comments from the blaster line regarding uh the energy prices.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_38: Also, on stage at Guthrie, Governor Walls reflects on eight years in office and charts a path forward.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, that's the version from Care 11.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_38: They kind of conveniently left out what the Star Tribune wrote in their lead headline of the story.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_38: Walls accepts blame for fraud, but says it shouldn't define his legacy.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_38: Don't be defined by your worst day, Walls, I guess is what we're going with.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_38: And we'll revisit Keith Ellison, his refusal to even be on stage with his attorney general GOP electoral opponent.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_38: What does that mean for any future debates?
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_38: And what he ended up calling Trump voters, just completely disenfranchising half of the state because of who they support for the presidency.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_38: It's coming up here on the John Justice Show.
• 1:23:28
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  SPEAKER_38: More comments that are um rolling in to the blaster line regarding your thoughts on the current price of petrol at the pump.
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  SPEAKER_07: Democrats have socialists in it.
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  SPEAKER_07: Just some person throwing comments in all the time whining about being disappointed.
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  SPEAKER_07: I'll tell you what I'm not disappointed about a closed border.
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  SPEAKER_07: That was my number one issue.
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  SPEAKER_07: And so again, we're in this whole Iran thing.
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  SPEAKER_07: We can't get out of it, so I understand it.
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  SPEAKER_07: Not happy about it.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_07: Don't want to keep loops on the ground, but I have a closed border and gas prices were just like this with fighting.
• 1:28:26
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  SPEAKER_13: You know, we've always been a one-car family.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_13: We never pay attention to how much the gas is because we need it.
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  SPEAKER_13: It doesn't really matter.
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  SPEAKER_13: We don't do frivolous driving and we just pay.
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  SPEAKER_13: We always charge all our gas.
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  SPEAKER_13: And at the end of the month, we pay it all off.
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  SPEAKER_13: So we never carry it over.
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  SPEAKER_13: So yeah, uh, we I never pay attention to how much gas is.
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  SPEAKER_13: We just buy what we need.
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  SPEAKER_13: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_38: As we get back into more of your comments and we turn our attention not only to fraud and the Trump administration removing um hundreds of thousands of individuals from the ACA enrollees over fraud claims, and we'll talk about this um event that took place, this North Star gathering downtown where we had our uh our own John Phelan policy fellow uh there, and we'll continue with our uh thoughts from the uh blaster line over the uh gas prices.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_38: Let me share this with you, though.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_38: And this was Dr.
• 1:31:28
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  SPEAKER_38: I believe this was yesterday during a uh press conference, exposing the fraud enabled by uh Democrats.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_38: Here is what he had to say during that press conference, and we'll continue to get to your blast in just a moment here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_40: Is that normally 1%, a single-digit 1% of people who get Obamacare Exchange plans do not have these Social Security numbers.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_40: Why?
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_40: Because we're supposed to check their tax returns to make sure they're making between one and four times the poverty level, so they're eligible for all of our taxpayers to pay their insurance to get the discount.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_40: Now, if 100% of people coming on the program don't have Social Security numbers, I think we'd all agree there's a problem.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_40: Well, that happened this year.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_40: 1.1 million people came on to the Obamacare programs with no Social Security numbers, no ID numbers to allow us to figure out they've illegally here, and they're getting full freight insurance paid by you, the U.S.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_40: taxpayer.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_38: Yep.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_38: So the Trump administration is removing 760,000 Affordable Care Act enrollees from the public health care exchanges.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_38: They're alleging that fraud enrollment or they're they were fraudulent or just completely nonexistent altogether.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_38: The move is part of the broader crackdown on fraud, aiming to save$2.2 billion and then ensure the subsidies are distributed to the eligible individuals.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_38: The administration also announced the six-month suspension for new agents and brokers enrolling people in healthcare.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_38: Now it's not arbitrary, obviously, but you can put it underneath that same commentary that I had early in the hour about how much just arbitrary reasoning dictates how much money you and I have to spend on a daily basis.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_38: Speculation when it comes to stocks, when it comes to the gas price manipulation.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_38: This will be framed as the left, as it already has been, as Republicans denying individuals of coverage.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_38: When the truth is, as you know, these are individuals who shouldn't have been on the program in the first place or individuals that simply didn't exist in the first place.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_38: When we talk about the the the the deficit, not that I want to open up the can of worms regarding the five thousand dollar dividend dividend checks, which we still haven't.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_38: I guess he was still talking terrorists with all of that.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_38: But when it comes to getting the deficit down and the debt of the country down, I mean this these are the places where I feel like the focus should continue to rein in this spending that keeps driving up uh the debt.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_38: It's so incredibly frustrating.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_38: What program out there that provides service to taxpayers that uses taxpayer money isn't fraudulent at this point in time?
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_38: That's what I would like to know.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_38: All right, more of your thoughts on the gas prices.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_38: Let's go here to the blaster line.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_20: Hey, John, being a lowly pensioneer.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_20: Yeah, the gas prices affect me because I have some things I have to do, just like the food prices.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_20: I was a little tolerant, a little more tolerant back when this first started, and I'm getting less and less now because the prez can't keep his mouth shut and just win the damn thing.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_17: Would you want to be that guy from Iran?
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, my apologies there.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_37: I didn't mean to uh to cut him uh to cut him off.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_37: Let me get back to uh to the comment.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_17: Just wondering, would you wanna be that guy from Iran representing that country at the UN?
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_17: Because if you show any type of uh emotion, he'll probably go be go home and get killed.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_17: Okay.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_17: It's kind of like the old Soviet Union when they lost the hockey game against the US in 1980.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_17: They really probably didn't want to go back to Mother Russia.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294, continuing to take your thoughts on the gas prices.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_24: But my frustration is with previous administrations that kicked the span of Iranian nuclear armament down the road, dropping billions of dollars of cash on the runway and giving Iran a pass.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_24: I pray that the gas prices go down, and I pray that the the Middle East turmoil ends soon.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_24: And I love President Trump.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_38: I've been wondering if we would hear from uh our uh friend of the show, and we have.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_29: Hey, John L the trucker here somewhere across Colorado.
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_29: Say, um, I watch with some amusement at uh people's outrage over fuel prices.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_29: Uh, do you realize that you're spending more on the bottled water that you pick up at the gas station?
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_29: Way more on the bottled water.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_29: Uh if you are having a problem with the cost of living on anything, it's probably a question of not having your priorities straight.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_29: Have a good day.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_29: Good show so far.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_38: Uh thank you, Al.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_38: I uh appreciate the uh I appreciate the comment.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_38: And I'll just say that you know, after uh my America 250 road trip 2026 with uh with Kyle, uh I've thought I I get I get a kick.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_38: I get a kick out of envisioning Al and the other truckers on the show just in various parts of the country listening to the show.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_38: I just think that's cool.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_38: I did the same thing when we were on the road.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_38: I was listening to uh my uh my good friend uh James T.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_38: Harris on uh my uh my former uh employer's radio station out of uh out of Phoenix.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_38: And we were driving through Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming in the morning, and I was tuning in to uh to his show.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_25: Hey John, Jack from Uber Falls calling.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_25: Hey, yeah, about the gas prices.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_25: I mean, I get it.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_25: Uh and I agree with Trump.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_25: But like the recent caller said, we got a close order or that's worth a lot.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_25: And uh yes, the gas prices were about the same when Fight was in office.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_25: So or they were higher.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_25: So people should just uh look back a little bit and uh and try to remember what it was like back then.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_25: Thanks, Matt.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_25: Great show so far.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_38: Thank you so much for the uh for the comment.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_38: I think we actually have one for uh oh no, we don't.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_38: Let's go to some of your uh techs that have rolled in.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_38: I do not want to neglect those that have been uh typing in.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_38: I do uh pay attention to the gas prices uh because I put on I put about 100 miles a day on my car.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_38: Thankfully, there's a lot of coupons and deals around town.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_38: If you pay attention, it saves substantial money.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_38: I still use the Git Upside uh app.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_38: Uh that I got I had an endorsement for that.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_38: Oh my gosh.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_38: It was probably six or seven years ago now.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_38: And I still use it.
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_38: It was so funny too, because I kept uh they did a they did a couple of rounds with us, and then I kept going back to the sales guy.
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_38: I'm like, man, I still use the app.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_38: We need to get it back on as the endorser.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_38: So my lieutenant governor, uh Katherine Johnson, we need to reach out to GetUpside to get him on the to get him on the show because I still use their app.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_38: Uh getting back to the comment, what surprises me are the same people that are complaining about the gas prices are the ones that are still in Starbucks.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_38: Eight cars deep, still going out to dinner several nights a week.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_38: And they were the first ones in line to buy a new iPhone last weekend.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_38: Make it make sense.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_38: Uh I just buy gas and I completely support what Trump is doing.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_38: Quick and to the point.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_38: Imagine how much lower the prices would be if Biden hadn't canceled all the pipelines.
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_38: Ken and Brainerd, giving a good name to Brainerd, other than Mildred.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_38: It's important to point that out there.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_38: Randy from Brooklyn Park writes in, I manage the Circle K gas station.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_38: I've gotten to know over the years many of my regulars, the only noise I'm hearing about the high prices are only from the most liberal of customers.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_38: This is really feeding into the thought that I had with Melinda last night.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_38: I know, and not that I was surprised by that.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_38: If you support Trump, you're less impacted by the gas prices.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_38: But overall, this is something that affects everybody equally for the most part, unless you're driving around an EV, right?
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_38: So there's potential as I opened up this topic on the show this morning that it could go a number of different ways.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_38: And it seems like a lot of our friends of the show are I'm not going to say in agreement with me, but just saying that you understand the price of the gas prices.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_38: And to my theory, they've been high for so long that we've kind of just become accustomed to it.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_38: This comment rolled in uh a 16 ounce of water costs about a buck fifty, putting the gallon price near$3 for a resource that you can poke a hole in the ground anywhere, find it and drink it.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_38: Can you do that?
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_38: Like how how deep would you have to go here to touch to get to water?
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_38: Probably not that deep, right?
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_38: Probably not.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_38: Probably not that deep with all the lakes and stuff.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_38: How safe would it be?
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, there's a pond over here in the back behind the Center of the American Experiment building.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_38: No, I'm I'm not going to.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_38: Unless I knew I'm good.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_38: I don't want to swim in it, let alone drink it.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_38: But the, you know, the friend of the show is really.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_38: That's a good point.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_38: Infections.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, let's see.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_38: I'm sure people are concerned about the cost, but seriously, uh, if you think that Democrats will lower the cost, they are the main reason the costs are high.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_38: If I remember correctly, Democrats ran on driving up the gas prices to get people out of their car.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_38: That goes back to a commentary that I had earlier.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, friend of the show says, I don't like the prices at the pump.
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_38: However, it was high for longer under Biden.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_38: He even released oil from our strategic oil reserves to manipulate the prices before the midterms.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_38: So I'm okay with the small amount of pain.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_38: Another comment to the blaster line.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_38: I don't pay much attention to the price, but I do wonder why the USA is buying uh oil when we have our own oil.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_38: So uh keeping with the theories, so we've got we have um Venezuela now, right?
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_38: We have the oil with what's taking place and the deal with Venezuela.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_38: There's the controversy around the Strait of Horror moves.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_38: This is affecting prices.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_38: Um, there are some things the administration can do.
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_38: My guess is that we're about what, five or six weeks out from the from the election now?
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_38: My guess is in the next two to three weeks at most, we're gonna see some moves by the Trump administration to get the prices down.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_38: And what I mean by that is there there might be an effort and there could be frustration in my saying this uh when as you as you hear this this theory that I have.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_38: But there could be efforts that the Trump administration could deploy today, but they might be waiting to get the prices down so that it matches with the election.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_38: Now, this is pushed back, this pushes back against the commentary that I've done before that I generally speaking believe that President Donald Trump is making moves, especially on the global stage.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_38: Um, irregardless.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_38: Is that even a word?
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_38: It's not a word, is it?
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_38: Irregardless isn't a word.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_38: Melinda's gonna correct me on that.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_38: Regardless, not irregardless, regardless of the midterm election.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_38: But I just my spidey senses are tingling that there's going to be a move by the administration within the next few weeks that is going to drive the prices down, essentially with a few weeks to go before the election, uh, in order to bring about more support on election day.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_38: We'll see if that uh we'll see if that plays out.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_38: Let's go here.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_28: Last little point I'll have with the gas prices is uh when I first started driving gas of four and a quarter a gallon, and I was making six fifty-five an hour.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_28: Now I'm making a lot more of the six fifty-five an hour, and gas back of about four and a quarter a gallon.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_28: I survived then, I'll survive now.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_38: That's another aspect of the gas prices that doesn't get talked about either, is that it is very subjective.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_38: You know, these these these blanket arguments pushing back on the Trump administration for the high price of gas, you know, for the high price of gas is one thing.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_38: But when it comes to individuals' experiences and whether or not those attacks will be successful in changing the minds of uh of independents or disenfranchising Republicans to the point where they may go and vote for, you know, a Democrat, I just can't see that happening.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_38: But it is very subjective, depending on the car you drive, how often you drive, what your current income is, what are you or aren't you paying for your view on the war in Iran?
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_38: Circling back to how this whole conversation started and talking with Melinda last night, this is what I was pointing to.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_38: That I do not think that that argument coming from the left is as effective as they think that it is.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_16: Hey, John, uh, don't forget that Sierra Walls raised gas taxes when gas prices were low.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_38: That's right.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_38: Speaking of Governor Dim Walls, let's go here.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_38: Now, this comes out of Care 11.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_38: Governor Tim Walls reflected on his eight years in office, highlighting uh policies like Universal School Meals and the Child Tax Credit.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_38: Yes, the Universal School Meals program that has served 450 meals is about 50% over budget.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_38: I think that's what the number was in the 40 to 50% range.
• 1:45:01
  SPEAKER_38: And uh there is no desire whatsoever to do an audit to find out if that food is going into the bellies of students or if it's just getting tossed to the side so that they can, for example, get chocolate milk.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_38: According to the anecdotal stories that I have heard, it's disastrous out in our public education system when it comes to the uh free school meals program, and the majority of food is just simply being wasted.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_38: But Walls has no desire to look into it.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_38: A good leader would, a good leader would immediately call for an audit to find out whether or not the overexpenditure of the predictions made by the DFL when they passed free school meals, whether or not it's actually legitimate or if it's just food and money and dollars being wasted.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_38: It's kind of like paid family medical leave.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_38: He acknowledged his administration's shortcomings, particularly regarding fraud and accepted responsibility.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_38: Walls who didn't who will not seek re-election plans to return to teaching and sharing his experiences.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_38: Oh gosh, no.
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_38: Please, please no.
• 1:46:07
  SPEAKER_38: I do have audio of uh Governor uh Dimwalls uh teaching.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_14: And that's how the story of Fluffalo ends, with a happy old Buffalo snuggling his friend.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_38: Can you fathom what it would be like to have to be in a classroom with Governor Dimwalls teaching?
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, shudder to think.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_38: The Star Tribune article was a little bit more pointed on this.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_38: Governor Dim Walls took off, they said Tim, I say Dim.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, took responsibility Tuesday for not stopping fraud in the state social services program sooner.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_38: He said the scandal should not overshadow the investments he made on children and families during his tenure.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_38: Again, in Governor Dim Walls' world, remember, we should not be judged by our worst day.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_38: Even if you had multiple worst days, like raping a 10-year-old girl over and over again for a prolonged period of time.
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_38: According to Governor Dim Walls, who tried to get that heinous evil individual pardoned, one should not be judged by their worst day.
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_38: Let's get back to some more of uh your thoughts uh this morning.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the school meals are trash, most of it goes right into the bin.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_38: Somebody has sent a uh text blast to the show.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_38: Uh for you, uh for those of you, and thank you.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_38: Um, for those that are, for those of you that are leaving a text um blast on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, feel free to include your name if you'd like to be mentioned.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_38: If you don't, then don't.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_38: But if you'd like me to, you know, acknowledge the friend of the show, feel free to include your name.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, let's see.
• 1:47:45
  SPEAKER_38: Gas prices are awful, but I'm in it for the long game for this country.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_38: I wish Democrats cared about our children's future as well.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_38: I said it before, and I'll say it again.
• 1:47:55
  SPEAKER_38: Democrats have a memory the length of a dead goldfish when it comes to gas prices.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_38: Somebody else writes in, I use the upside app.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_38: It takes the sting out of the price of gas.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, not to giving up my gas-fueled card.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_38: No, man, I know.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_38: It's like great.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_38: It's fun.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_38: Using the get upside app is fun.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_38: Although it's a bit of a pain in the butt, we have to take a picture of the uh receipt.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_38: It's always kind of a pain.
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_38: I do it anyways, because I enjoy the discount.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_38: I'm still voting Republican, says another friend of the show, despite their frustration.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_38: Don't love the idea of war, but understand the need.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_38: Another comment.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_38: I don't like the gas prices, but I'll deal with it since it's temporary.
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_38: Better than nucle a nuclear Iran.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_38: And I'll never vote for a Democrat.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_38: I don't need socialism and billions in fraud.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_38: You actually hear from foes of the show.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_38: I wonder what the foes of the show think of the gas prices.
• 1:48:49
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, somebody wrote in regarding Walls teaching individuals.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_38: Oof, parents beware.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_38: If you hear Governor Tim Walls is going to become a teacher in your school, you better quickly withdraw them.
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_38: This is a no-win situation.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_38: Well, it could be good just from an entertainment standpoint.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_38: Commentary could be fun.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go here.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_22: Best thing in the history of things for charter schools and homeschooling.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_22: What for parents to find out that Dimwall is back in mainstream public education as a teacher.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_22: Not an example of what can possibly go wrong.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_22: But as a teacher.
• 1:49:32
  SPEAKER_22: About the gas prices.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_22: It was pure democratic incompetence andor policy decisions that made the price of gas go up.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_22: Get another Democrat in same incompetence.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_22: Same policies.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_38: Six five one nine six four zero two nine four.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go uh to this comment on the blaster line.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_32: You know, old uh old Timmy there, he keeps saying Oh, I take full responsibility for the fraud.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_32: And everybody thinks he's like, oh yes, he's saying it's a bad thing and he's admitting culpability.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_32: I think it's bragging.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_32: I think he's putting it out there for all the people that enrich themselves and say, see, I take responsibility for this fraud.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_32: I made it easier for you to steal from Minnesotans.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_32: And in return, we also decided not to prosecute you.
• 1:50:26
  SPEAKER_32: So support my people because we supported you.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_38: Now, this event um that was taking place, this is the Minnesota Star Tribune's North Star Summit.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_38: I mentioned this at the top of the show.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_38: Individuals, you have leaders, you have candidates, elected officials all gathering.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_38: Our own policy fellow uh John Phelan uh had uh was out there uh yesterday.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_38: It's a good thing he was, or else we wouldn't have found out about one aspect of what was taking place yesterday.
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, attorney general Thief Ellison, trailing in the polls, declined to appear on stage with his Republican challenger, Ron Schutz, in a piece written by um John Phelan during the North Star Summit.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_38: The moderator announced the change just before the event began, providing no explanation for Ellison's last-minute decision.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_38: So, John Phelan goes on to say, I had the pleasure of speaking at the North Star uh summit in Minneapolis in our recent report, uh supplying hope and demanding real affordability and agenda for Minnesota's future.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_38: It was a lot of fun, but I suspect my remarks on affordability were overshadowed in many people's minds by two of the afternoon sessions.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_38: In the first, Governor Walls gave an exit interview.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_38: In the second, attorney general Keith Ellison faced off against his Republican challenger, Ron Schutz.
• 1:51:51
  SPEAKER_38: Except he didn't.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_38: While the two candidates had been billed as appearing together just before the kickoff of the moderator, Brianna Bierschabach, informed the audience that Ellison had declined to appear on the stage with Schutz.
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_38: No explanation was given for Ellison's last-minute change of heart.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_38: Instead, the two candidates appeared separately.
• 1:52:12
  SPEAKER_38: With Ellison trailing Schutz in the latest poll, writes John Phelan, seasoned politics in the audience were surprised to see him duck this opportunity.
• 1:52:20
  SPEAKER_38: And it wasn't mentioned, at least as far as I can tell, in the Star Tribune coverage of Schutz and Ellison.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_38: It talks about how Ellison and Republican challenger Ron Schutz took turns sharing their visions for how aggressively the state's top prosecutor should pursue fraud, when to take on the Trump administration, and what role the attorney general should play when the federal officers use deadly force in the state.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_38: The candidates appeared separately during Minnesota Star Tribune's North Star Summit on Tuesday in interviews by the reporter that we mentioned before.
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_38: But there is no other further follow-up in the story regarding why Ellison declined to be up on stage with shoots.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_38: Now, when it comes to maybe Ellison believes that this is the uh way to deal with this.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_38: Maybe he believes that his supporters, the DFLers, simply aren't gonna care if he shares the stage.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_38: But it's it's a cowardly move.
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, it wasn't even billed as a debate.
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_38: They were just gonna be discussing issues relating to you know, the state of Minnesota, Minneapolis.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_38: Is he too afraid to share his thoughts and views with Schutz and maybe questioned on some of these?
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_38: Although when you consider recent commentary at a an event that took place before this North Star uh summit put on by the Star Tribune, maybe this is the reason why.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_38: This is Keith Allison at a campaign event earlier this week.
• 1:53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just tell you, my last poll, I was down against my opponent by two points.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know that.
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_01: My opponent is beating me by two points right now.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know if it's an accurate poll or not.
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_01: I do know this.
• 1:54:09
  SPEAKER_01: I take it seriously, and I hope you all take it seriously too.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is what you call a base election.
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a base election is?
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_01: That means whoever gets out their base, that's who's gonna win.
• 1:54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is the base of people who believe in freedom and justice, compassion and mercy?
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_01: The people with the people who believe that in the equality of human beings and the dignity of all human beings, will we show up and vote?
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or will the bigots and the racists show up and vote?
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_01: Either we're gonna show up or they're gonna show up.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're not against them, they're against us.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to stop them from leading their lives.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to stop us from leading our lives.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_38: So this is the tactic that he's decided to take.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_38: I mentioned this in the first hour of the show today.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_38: That you wonder, I wonder what those internal polling numbers currently are for Ellison.
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_38: He says he's down by two points in the polls, so he's admitting he's down in the polls.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_38: So now I question, you know, exactly how further down is his internal polling saying that he is if he's going to be making statements like that completely disenfranchising half the voters here in Minnesota.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_38: Not to mention the first part of it when he describes DFL voters, those that are for freedom, justice, compassion, and mercy.
• 1:55:48
  SPEAKER_38: Give me a break already.
• 1:55:52
  SPEAKER_38: It seems to me he's scared.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_38: All of this, that commentary coming from Ellison, not showing up on stage with his GOP opponent in the race, tells me he doesn't know what to do.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_38: He doesn't know how to react.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_38: He doesn't know how to turn the tide.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_38: What he's doing isn't working.
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_38: And this speaks to directly what I was talking about yesterday regarding the um the recent the recent polling.
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_38: And that is how does the DFL, how do Democrats in the state, how do they bring about shore up those polls and support?
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_38: They're continuing to double down on their anti-Trump rhetoric, trying to put Trump on the ballot when he's not on the on the ballot, but it's not working based off of the polling numbers.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_38: So, you know, what other tactic can they use?
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_38: They're not talking about the issues broadly as it relates to Minnesota because they don't have much of a leg to stand on when you look at the fraud.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_38: You know, Tim Walls is doing, in my opinion, everything that he can in order to fall on the sword relating to fraud and taking responsibility and then asking, don't judge me though, on my on my own worst, uh worst day.
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_38: But it's clearly not it's not enough.
• 1:57:15
  SPEAKER_38: So given how desperate it seems Ellison is flailing about trying to find some sort of lane in order to turn the tide, I don't know what Democrats do.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_38: Because if they start supporting you know, if they start focusing on the issues, they're gonna be faced with at least if they do go and participate in these various debates that have been lined up.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_38: I know that when it comes to actually the debates across the board, you have uh Tefoya, I think you have Schutz, um, or it might have been Jensen, I know it was Damuth.
• 1:57:46
  SPEAKER_38: They've all agreed to doing debates.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_38: There's some six of them, and I believe it's with Channel Five, but none of the DFLers so far, at least last time I looked, have agreed to do the debates yet.
• 1:57:58
  SPEAKER_38: So is this what this was gonna happen now?
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_38: Has the DFL simply decided that we're not going to go and debate and we're just gonna stay away from these individuals as much as as much as possible?
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_38: And calling half the state, you know, bigots and racist, you know, it's the drop that I've used so often on the show.
• 1:58:18
  SPEAKER_38: It's a bold strategy, you know, cotton.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_38: Let's see if it works out for them.
• 1:58:53
  SPEAKER_38: Here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:58:56
  SPEAKER_38: I've been taking your uh blast all morning long.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_38: We'll still continue to take some of those regarding the gas prices, asked you a general question of how the high gas prices have been affecting you, whether or not it bothers you, you just factor it into your budget.
• 1:59:09
  SPEAKER_38: Is it gonna make you change your vote come election day?
• 1:59:13
  SPEAKER_38: Also, played audio just a moment ago from um attorney general thief Ellison.
• 1:59:18
  SPEAKER_38: I'll go ahead and share it with you for you.
• 1:59:20
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, for those of you that have just joined us here in the eight o'clock hour on the show.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just tell you, my last poll, I was down against my opponent by two points.
• 1:59:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know that.
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 1:59:33
  SPEAKER_01: My opponent is beating me by two points right now.
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know if it's an accurate poll or not.
• 1:59:40
  SPEAKER_01: I do know this.
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_01: I take it seriously, and I hope you all take it seriously too.
• 1:59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is what you call a base election.
• 1:59:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a base election is?
• 1:59:52
  SPEAKER_01: That means whoever gets out their base, that's who's gonna win.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is the base of people who believe in freedom and justice, compassion and mercy?
• 2:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: The people with the people who believe that in the equality of human beings, in the dignity of all human beings, will we show up and vote?
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or will the bigots in the racist show up and vote?
• 2:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Either we're gonna show up or they're gonna show up.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're not against them, they against us.
• 2:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: We don't we don't want to stop them from leading their lives, they're trying to stop us from leading our lives.
• 2:00:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, John, Marion Andover here, and I think you're being a little hard on Keith Ellison.
• 2:00:38
  SPEAKER_03: Perhaps he just simply lost his hat.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_38: Oh, yeah, he didn't have his hat in the in the picture.
• 2:00:44
  SPEAKER_38: Maybe the hat holds all of his uh holds all of his power.
• 2:00:49
  SPEAKER_38: The ability to be rational and use common sense, who knows?
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_26: Good morning, John Victor here.
• 2:00:54
  SPEAKER_26: Um, I just can't I can't with Keith Ellison.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_26: Um, I'm not gonna say that I wear my undies on the outside or anything, but every time I see a video of his on the TikToks on the Chinese spyware, um, I do comment that he tried to pardon a child racist.
• 2:01:14
  SPEAKER_26: But with him saying we're not trying to stop them from living their lives, they're trying to stop us from living our lives?
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_26: Is he serious?
• 2:01:24
  SPEAKER_26: Like It is it Republicans that are trying to force people into believing that men can turn into women just because they say they turn into women?
• 2:01:36
  SPEAKER_26: Or is it is that a them belief?
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_26: Like Is he serious?
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_32: I don't think Ellison realizes that he and his ilk and his supporters are, you know, the racists and the bad people that he's trying to imply that Republicans are.
• 2:01:58
  SPEAKER_32: It's like, dude, you're you're everything you do is about race and attacking your enemies and promoting socialism and communism.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_32: Of course, you're gonna be at the top of the pile there.
• 2:02:09
  SPEAKER_32: But he just doesn't he doesn't see that.
• 2:02:12
  SPEAKER_32: Nor do his supporters.
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_38: And we have a uh we have a uh friend of the show who you know brings up they brought this they and they mentioned how they brought up this point uh before, but it's worth you know, it's it's worth mentioning again.
• 2:02:26
  SPEAKER_38: Let me play this for you from the blaster line.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_38: 651-964-0294.
• 2:02:31
  SPEAKER_22: I know I mention this a lot, but I still think this is a derivative of all of the canceled programs.
• 2:02:38
  SPEAKER_22: That money is no longer being able to be backed or funneled into the Democratic coffers, and now they have to run a real I'm not gonna call it legitimate because the Democrats campaign and they have no clue how to run a legitimate campaign.
• 2:02:59
  SPEAKER_38: Thank you for the comment.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_38: If you'd like to email uh john.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 2:03:06
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna get back to more of your comments here in uh just a just a moment.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_38: Let's go here though.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_38: Alpha News.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_38: We've talked about this individual before.
• 2:03:14
  SPEAKER_38: My apologies for not having the audio, but this is the immigrant money dude.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_38: He put a video up on YouTube where he had a fancy jingle, immigrant money, immigrant money came from overseas.
• 2:03:25
  SPEAKER_38: Now I got that money.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_38: He's encouraging uh individuals to take part in his uh real estate uh program, and now he's under investigation for fraud.
• 2:03:35
  SPEAKER_38: Arnold Kube, a Cameroonian immigrant, he had built a successful healthcare empire here in Minnesota, collected over$36 million in taxpayer-funded payments.
• 2:03:46
  SPEAKER_38: However, his companies are now under investigation for alleged fraud, with the state moving to cut Medicaid payments to three of his facilities.
• 2:03:54
  SPEAKER_38: A former employee claims to have witnessed discussions about fraudulent billing practices and describes the company as disorganized and dysfunctional, raising concerns about the quality of care to his uh clients.
• 2:04:10
  SPEAKER_38: There is a funny little anecdote to end the story uh as I uh work through some of the details.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_38: There was a photo that was provided to Alpha News by a former employee, and it shows what he says is a conference room inside of Arnold Kubay's Metro Care Human Services headquarters in Woodbury.
• 2:04:35
  SPEAKER_38: So on the wall, and I saw I've seen a picture, I've seen a picture of this, on the wall are portraits of prominent black leaders, cultural icons, and business figures.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Barack and Michelle Obama are on the wall, Muhammad Ali is on the wall, Oprah Winfrey is on the wall, and uh Frederick Douglass and Wright's MacNab in the middle is Arnold Kube.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_38: He put himself on the wall with a headshot matching the other prominent black leaders, flaunting his success in flashy online videos for a price.
• 2:05:12
  SPEAKER_38: He's offered to teach others how to do the same.
• 2:05:15
  SPEAKER_38: His operations would later come under investigation for uh for fraud.
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_38: You know, we played that for you and shared you this story before the investigations even started, just because the video was so ridiculous and the assumptions were that more than likely he was probably gonna end up being fraudulent, and it turned out that it was, or at least, I'm sorry, he's being investigated for fraud.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_38: But as I will continue to say, if somebody is under investigation for fraud, more than likely they've gone and conducted fraud.
• 2:05:48
  SPEAKER_38: Investigation for fraud?
• 2:05:50
  SPEAKER_38: I haven't let me put it this way.
• 2:05:51
  SPEAKER_38: I have yet to see, and I have to ask policy fellow Bill Glon about this, I have uh yet uh to see uh whether or not an individual has been investigated for fraud, and fraud didn't happen.
• 2:06:06
  SPEAKER_38: This is me sitting here not holding my breath.
• 2:06:09
  SPEAKER_15: Hey, can someone explain to me what the barrier to entry is for a healthcare company in Minnesota?
• 2:06:15
  SPEAKER_15: I mean, seriously, you just have to uh write it on a cocktail napkin that you're now a healthcare company and the state just funnels millions of dollars to your checking account without any proof of patience or care or anything.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_15: I mean, what who's running this state?
• 2:06:31
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah.
• 2:06:32
  SPEAKER_38: Well, a bunch of individuals that don't care to put in uh barriers of entry to these programs.
• 2:06:36
  SPEAKER_38: They're really, really low.
• 2:06:38
  SPEAKER_38: Let me put it this way.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_38: If I wanted to go and start, not now, hopefully, not now, but if I wanted to start or, you know, bring a handful of individuals here at Center of the American Experiment to go and start a program under one of these Medicaid funded services.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I don't need to be a professional.
• 2:06:55
  SPEAKER_38: I don't have to have any background.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_38: The majority of individuals don't have to have backgrounds.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_38: There was little to no oversight being done of the actual physical locations of these places, as we've seen from Nick Shirley and the investigative work of uh Alpha News and the reports done here by the policy fellows at American Experiment.
• 2:07:12
  SPEAKER_38: When it came to the reporting online, that's just what it was.
• 2:07:15
  SPEAKER_38: It was just reporting online.
• 2:07:17
  SPEAKER_38: You didn't even have to back up any of your work.
• 2:07:19
  SPEAKER_38: You just basically filled out, you can fill out whatever you want.
• 2:07:21
  SPEAKER_38: Transportation services were probably most notorious for this.
• 2:07:28
  SPEAKER_38: Where you just had to go online and you can just fill out fraudulent information, make up all the numbers that you want, and there wasn't anybody going and checking in on any of it.
• 2:07:37
  SPEAKER_38: So the barriers of entry have been way too incredibly low when it comes to these programs, and there's been little to no oversight.
• 2:07:44
  SPEAKER_38: All because Democrats assume, rightly so, that these are individuals that will continue to vote them into power.
• 2:07:53
  SPEAKER_38: That money gets shuffled around, and who knows whether or not it is swinging right back around into accounts of candidates or other DFLers.
• 2:08:01
  SPEAKER_38: There's been evidence of that as well.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, it's a racket, and it's been a racket for entirely uh too long.
• 2:08:09
  SPEAKER_38: Uh let's go uh here, friend of the show, Mark.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_19: Hi, John.
• 2:08:13
  SPEAKER_19: This is Mark from Bell Plane.
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• 2:08:35
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• 2:08:39
  SPEAKER_19: Cigarettes were about 70 cents, bubblegum about uh a penny a piece, and I came home.
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_19: Um, and now of course cigarettes are astronomical.
• 2:09:00
  SPEAKER_19: Um, and the bubblegum went up um from one penny to I would get pennies for 10 cents.
• 2:09:08
  SPEAKER_19: So I think we're not giving enough credit to inflation and printing dollars with nothing to back it rather than all of this global crisis.
• 2:09:21
  SPEAKER_19: Uh I'm I'm thinking we should think of inflation.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_19: Thank you.
• 2:09:25
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• 2:09:27
  SPEAKER_38: I appreciate the uh comment.
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• 2:09:40
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• 2:14:01
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• 2:14:05
  SPEAKER_38: We continue to see your uh comments rolling in regarding gas prices.
• 2:14:10
  SPEAKER_38: And also, uh Attorney General uh Keith Ellison calling uh Trump supporters uh bigots and racists.
• 2:14:17
  SPEAKER_38: Also, not getting up on stage with Ron Schutz during the Star Tribune North Star Summit.
• 2:14:23
  SPEAKER_16: Yeah, it's pretty simple why Ellison's not on stage debating.
• 2:14:26
  SPEAKER_16: He would have to stand alongside somebody that's going to be a foot taller than him and appear to be the small dwarf that he actually is.
• 2:14:33
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• 2:14:35
  SPEAKER_38: You know, as a as a side note to that, really quick, I maybe this is the reason why.
• 2:14:41
  SPEAKER_38: I've heard it said that like indiv you know, shorter individuals don't do well in in elections.
• 2:14:47
  SPEAKER_38: And really this campaign has been the one where it's been the most uh notable.
• 2:14:54
  SPEAKER_38: Very, very odd.
• 2:14:55
  SPEAKER_38: Maybe that's why he's been wearing the hat.
• 2:14:58
  SPEAKER_38: He's been trying to give himself a few more a few more inches out on the uh out on the campaign trail.
• 2:15:03
  SPEAKER_38: A postal worker in Utah.
• 2:15:06
  SPEAKER_38: You know, when we talk about uh election fraud, this is probably my biggest concern.
• 2:15:11
  SPEAKER_38: Because it seems to be the easiest, and I will never forget going back to the Trump Biden election.
• 2:15:17
  SPEAKER_38: And I don't know if we ever got confirmation on whether or not any of these videos were were real or not, but uh there was a video of individuals at a polling place, it would appear, who were opening up the ballots and then were going and throwing away the ones that were for Donald Trump.
• 2:15:34
  SPEAKER_38: That's that's where my concern comes in.
• 2:15:36
  SPEAKER_38: That seems to be like the easiest way to do fraud, just tossing ballots.
• 2:15:39
  SPEAKER_38: And I mentioned uh earlier this week that Rasmussen had put up a post on X, uh, which I need to go and track down.
• 2:15:46
  SPEAKER_38: I'm just now reminding myself of this.
• 2:15:48
  SPEAKER_38: But they had talked to somebody who allegedly had admitted that they were a part of working with voter fraud, conducting voter fraud during that election, and said that people had the fraud all wrong, saying that it wasn't increasing votes for Joe Biden.
• 2:16:05
  SPEAKER_38: It was actually going into staunchly red areas and diminishing the votes there, throwing them away.
• 2:16:12
  SPEAKER_38: This story here, you had a postal worker in Utah, 300 mail-in ballots discarded.
• 2:16:19
  SPEAKER_38: The Justice Department has charged the worker with destruction and delay of mail, highlighting the case as part of its efforts to promote election integrity.
• 2:16:29
  SPEAKER_38: This comes amid the ongoing concerns about voter fraud, despite showing that it is uh rare.
• 2:16:35
  SPEAKER_38: To that point, Kamala Harris has been out and about, continuing to threaten to run in 2028.
• 2:16:44
  SPEAKER_38: At a recent event, uh, this is what she had to say uh regarding election integrity efforts, removing individuals who are here illegally ineligible to vote from the voter rolls.
• 2:16:56
  SPEAKER_08: They are keeping voter rolls.
• 2:17:16
  SPEAKER_08: And we know how to fight.
• 2:17:19
  SPEAKER_08: And we've always been fighting against the people.
• 2:17:27
  SPEAKER_38: They are a creative people.
• 2:17:29
  SPEAKER_38: What is she what does she mean by that exactly?
• 2:17:32
  SPEAKER_38: Just out of curiosity.
• 2:17:34
  SPEAKER_38: What how how create how creative are they going to get?
• 2:17:38
  SPEAKER_38: They're trying to take our tools, but we are creative.
• 2:17:41
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 2:17:42
  SPEAKER_38: What exactly do you mean by that, Kamala Harris?
• 2:17:45
  SPEAKER_38: Does Kamala Harris even know what she means by that?
• 2:17:50
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• 2:17:54
  SPEAKER_38: All right, let's turn our attention uh over to a hearing that took place yesterday.
• 2:18:00
  SPEAKER_38: The emotional toll of Operation Metro Surge played out on oh, this was Capitol Hill.
• 2:18:06
  SPEAKER_38: Excuse me.
• 2:18:07
  SPEAKER_38: My apologies.
• 2:18:07
  SPEAKER_38: This was not at our state capitol.
• 2:18:09
  SPEAKER_38: This was on Capitol Hill yesterday.
• 2:18:11
  SPEAKER_38: Loved ones of two Minneapolis residents killed by the federal agents took their grief and demands directly to Congress.
• 2:18:19
  SPEAKER_38: You had um, let's see, you had an individual, a witness, Estella Carson, who uh captured uh this would be Alex Predi being sworn by federal agents on video.
• 2:18:33
  SPEAKER_38: I'm just I'm curious, that Estella Carson, did she not do anything about it at the time?
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_38: Just wondering.
• 2:18:40
  SPEAKER_38: I'm reminded of the Seinfeld, uh the last few Seinfeld episodes where their uh plane had to make an emergency landing.
• 2:18:47
  SPEAKER_38: They ended up in a small town and they had a law against not helping the public, and they end up having to go to trial.
• 2:18:56
  SPEAKER_38: You see this all the time.
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_38: All these individuals, very concerned about ice seeing people putting themselves in harm's way, but they don't do anything about it, they just stand there and watch.
• 2:19:05
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Renee Good's mother, Donna Ganger, told lawmakers her family has not recovered from the loss.
• 2:19:11
  SPEAKER_38: That's unsurprising.
• 2:19:12
  SPEAKER_38: We've not moved on, we struggle every day, we'll never be the same.
• 2:19:15
  SPEAKER_38: I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child, regardless of age.
• 2:19:21
  SPEAKER_38: Granger, who identified herself as a Republican, says they voted for Donald Trump, is now seeking answers for his administration about her daughter's uh death.
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_38: She made it clear that the loss, um, the loss is one her family will carry forever.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_38: She should still be alive.
• 2:19:35
  SPEAKER_38: I'll say that again.
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_38: My daughter should still be alive.
• 2:19:38
  SPEAKER_38: All the beautiful and joyful things Renee would have done with her life are now simply silent, said Granger.
• 2:19:44
  SPEAKER_38: Um and I don't mean to be disrespectful here, but I'm gonna be honest, Renee Good put herself in that in that situation.
• 2:19:53
  SPEAKER_38: She did.
• 2:19:55
  SPEAKER_38: That situation wouldn't have happened if Renee Good had not gone and gotten in the way of lawful law enforcement.
• 2:20:01
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, Good's brother Brent uh uh Ganger also testified, his voice breaking as he described what it's been like to write remarks about his sister.
• 2:20:10
  SPEAKER_38: I struggled writing these remarks because Renee is one who uh would edit my writing and give me encouragement.
• 2:20:17
  SPEAKER_38: He went further, calling out the broader harm he believes ICE has caused.
• 2:20:21
  SPEAKER_38: My family uh had the unfortunate privilege of learning the hard way through the loss of our beloved Renee that no one is safe while ICE continues to terrorize us.
• 2:20:31
  SPEAKER_38: That's simply not true.
• 2:20:32
  SPEAKER_38: And we have the example of that.
• 2:20:34
  SPEAKER_38: The operations that have been taking place over the summer were more expensive uh more extensive, and more people were arrested and deported by our immigrations and customs enforcement than had taken place during Operation Metro surge, and we didn't have any of this going on because people weren't going out into the street and getting in the way of lawful law enforcement.
• 2:20:55
  SPEAKER_38: And that was the headline that Fox Nine Fox Nine used in the story, by the way.
• 2:20:59
  SPEAKER_38: No one is safe.
• 2:21:00
  SPEAKER_38: Minneapolis families demand uh answers after federal agent uh shootings.
• 2:21:05
  SPEAKER_38: President Donald Trump, speaking to the uh UN General Assembly yesterday, called out the globalists over the mass migration that has been uh taking place across the world.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_41: The craven hypocrites of Human Rights Council have little to say about the persecution of Christians.
• 2:21:24
  SPEAKER_41: I mean, Christians are being persecuted all over the world.
• 2:21:27
  SPEAKER_41: It's not even believable.
• 2:21:28
  SPEAKER_41: I never thought I'd say it.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_41: But it's been happening for a long time.
• 2:21:32
  SPEAKER_41: So this is persecution of Christians who are the crimes of the world's most repressive regimes, yet they want America to open up our borders to gangs and criminals from the world's most dangerous places.
• 2:21:46
  SPEAKER_41: They want the worst people to come in from the worst places on earth, and we don't do it anymore.
• 2:21:51
  SPEAKER_41: We did do it, but we don't do that anymore.
• 2:21:54
  SPEAKER_41: It is deeply ironic that the United Nations has an entire institution, the UNESCO group of people and countries devoted to protecting cultural heritage, yet, with their ceaseless promotion of mass migration, these globalists are actively destroying the greatest cultures and most extraordinary heritage in all of history.
• 2:22:18
  SPEAKER_41: There is no human right to illegal immigration, but there is a right to remain a sovereign nation, and we want to remain a sovereign nation, and so should you.
• 2:22:30
  SPEAKER_38: You know, that's the bigger concern here.
• 2:22:33
  SPEAKER_38: It's not lawful immigrations and customs enforcement.
• 2:22:36
  SPEAKER_38: It's not lawful United States law enforcement.
• 2:22:39
  SPEAKER_38: No, it's things that Trump was speaking of.
• 2:22:41
  SPEAKER_38: It's a few of the headlines that I'll share with you here in just a moment.
• 2:22:44
  SPEAKER_38: We're going to be talking with uh Bill Walsh here from Center of the American Experiment just after the uh bottom of the hour.
• 2:22:50
  SPEAKER_38: Let me give you an example here, though.
• 2:22:52
  SPEAKER_38: A Blaine police officer injured after a driver suspected of impairment fled a DU DWI stop.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_38: The officer was thrown from the vehicle as it reversed and accelerated, eventually crashing into a retaining wall.
• 2:23:05
  SPEAKER_38: The driver faces multiple felony charges, including criminal vehicular operation and fleeing from a police officer.
• 2:23:11
  SPEAKER_38: Um, and again, this is the dangers that our law enforcement uh, you know, faces on a daily basis here in Minnesota.
• 2:23:20
  SPEAKER_38: And when you have that anti-immigration customs enforcement rhetoric, it rolls over into that continued anti-law enforcement rhetoric that you hear coming from the leftists.
• 2:23:32
  SPEAKER_38: You know what concerns me more than ICE?
• 2:23:35
  SPEAKER_38: A man who was who was uh charged with unwanted sexual contact of a Mall of America employee who avoided prison for stabbing a woman last year.
• 2:23:45
  SPEAKER_38: Cedric Casino Anderson, 48, residing in North Minneapolis, charged in Hennepin County District Court with fifth degree nonconsensual sexual conduct after charges say on September 14th, he approached a female Mall of America custodian and asked to borrow her mop because he made a mess washing his feet in the family restroom.
• 2:24:05
  SPEAKER_38: The custodian declined to allow Anderson to use the mop, but went to the restroom to mop it herself.
• 2:24:11
  SPEAKER_38: Anderson made small talk briefly with the custodian, groped her buttocks with his hand, according to the charges, told the victim he was joking later to police.
• 2:24:19
  SPEAKER_38: The victim left the restroom, found the coworker, and then alerted mall security.
• 2:24:24
  SPEAKER_38: He was arrested at the mall, ultimately uh declined to make a statement to police.
• 2:24:29
  SPEAKER_38: The criminal complaint notes that Anderson is currently on probation for felony third-degree assault after being sentenced in a prior case in 2026.
• 2:24:40
  SPEAKER_38: Over stabbing a woman.
• 2:24:42
  SPEAKER_38: There was a plea deal under Hennepin County attorney, Mary Moriarty's office, downgrading the charge from second-degree assault to a dangerous weapon.
• 2:24:51
  SPEAKER_38: I get more worried about that than I do lawful immigration enforcement.
• 2:24:58
  SPEAKER_38: Here's one more for you.
• 2:24:59
  SPEAKER_38: The Department of Homeland Security's top lawyer accused a federal judge of working with other judges to block immigration enforcement.
• 2:25:07
  SPEAKER_38: I'm more worried about judges going and blocking immigration enforcement.
• 2:25:11
  SPEAKER_38: The accusations followed the New York Times article featuring a joint interview with seven Minnesota judges who spoke about their rulings and the impact of the Trump administration's enforcement surge in the Twin Cities.
• 2:25:22
  SPEAKER_38: The DHS lawyer claimed the judges conspired to thwart immigration enforcement while the judges defended their actions as upholding judicial independence.
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_38: Stories from uh Alpha News.
• 2:25:35
  SPEAKER_38: And that's just another, and those are just another examples or more examples of the judicial activism that uh that takes place.
• 2:25:43
  unknown: All right.
• 2:25:43
  SPEAKER_38: I have one more for you, and then we'll talk with Bill Walsh from Center of the American Experiment.
• 2:25:48
  SPEAKER_38: First off, I want to remind you that as you head into the holiday season, you know what typically happens?
• 2:25:53
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• 2:25:54
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  SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Joe Scott, and I'm the only conservative on the Eastern Carver County Schools Board.
• 2:27:30
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• 2:28:03
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• 2:28:04
  SPEAKER_38: And also you can email John.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 2:28:07
  SPEAKER_38: All right, before we talk with uh Bill Walsh, let's go here.
• 2:28:10
  SPEAKER_38: First off, we have a pocket wallet survey.
• 2:28:14
  SPEAKER_38: As a matter of fact, we can bring Bill, we can bring Bill in all this for just a for just a moment if he's uh if he's uh ready.
• 2:28:20
  SPEAKER_38: Good morning, Bill Walsh.
• 2:28:21
  SPEAKER_38: How are you doing this morning, sir?
• 2:28:22
  SPEAKER_38: Good morning.
• 2:28:22
  SPEAKER_38: So before we before we talk about this uh this thinking Minnesota poll and dive into it, we're gonna do this over two weeks.
• 2:28:29
  SPEAKER_38: Um a dozen Minnesota colleges make the uh the U.S.
• 2:28:33
  SPEAKER_38: best rankings.
• 2:28:34
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 2:28:35
  SPEAKER_38: The University of Minnesota, uh Twin Cities ranked 59.
• 2:28:40
  SPEAKER_38: It's the highest uh school in the state.
• 2:28:42
  SPEAKER_38: Carleton College remains the top-rated national liberal arts college in Minnesota, despite falling uh several spots.
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_38: Um I don't know what category.
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_38: This sounds like a pocket wallet survey.
• 2:28:53
  SPEAKER_38: I don't know what their criteria is uh for this.
• 2:28:56
  SPEAKER_38: Uh with the University of Minnesota topping the list, 59 is the highest one among 400 schools across the U.S.
• 2:29:02
  SPEAKER_38: That surprise you at all?
• 2:29:04
  SPEAKER_43: Access to diversity, equity, and inclusion programs, maybe high on the list in the survey.
• 2:29:09
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the University of Minnesota Duluth became the state's second best regional university.
• 2:29:15
  SPEAKER_38: Uh we'll see here.
• 2:29:17
  SPEAKER_38: We have a Crookston counterpart switched to a separate to Midwest ranking of its regional colleges, where Concordia College was at 12, Bethany Lutheran College was at 46.
• 2:29:28
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the University of Minnesota Crookston previously was the state's highest ranking regional university at number 14.
• 2:29:34
  SPEAKER_38: It's now the second best on the regional college ranking at number 26.
• 2:29:39
  SPEAKER_38: Something tells me though that when it comes for shopping for schools, like this is probably not the baseline you want to use when it comes to sending your kid and spending money out of school.
• 2:29:48
  SPEAKER_43: In my opinion.
• 2:29:49
  SPEAKER_43: Well, the only ranking that matters right now, as we as we head into October, are the college hockey rankings.
• 2:29:54
  SPEAKER_43: Um my alma mater is number four in the country right now, which is fair, I think.
• 2:29:59
  SPEAKER_43: Fair congratulations.
• 2:30:00
  SPEAKER_43: Denver's number one, North Dakota four.
• 2:30:02
  SPEAKER_43: Gophers are top ten, so gophers are expected to be good always.
• 2:30:06
  SPEAKER_43: Got a uh new coach, new era at the gophers.
• 2:30:10
  SPEAKER_43: Kind of fun to watch.
• 2:30:11
  SPEAKER_38: So before we get into this Thinking Minnesota poll, one more.
• 2:30:14
  SPEAKER_38: I have a piece of audio I want to share from John Stossel, but also this story here.
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, and this comes from uh policy fellow Josiah Padley here at Center of the American Experiment.
• 2:30:23
  SPEAKER_38: A new report by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression fire gave three top Minnesota universities an average F grade for free speech protection.
• 2:30:33
  SPEAKER_38: I encourage everybody to head on over to AmericanExperimented.org and check it out.
• 2:30:37
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the report, based on student surveys and administrative direction, found that students in these universities feel uncomfortable expressing controversial ideas and that the campuses lack political tolerance.
• 2:30:48
  SPEAKER_38: FIRE recommends that the college administrators sign the Chicago Statement for Free Speech, adopt institutional neutrality platforms, and perform uh restrictive student policies.
• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_38: And that's according to the uh AI Overlord summary.
• 2:31:04
  SPEAKER_38: I encourage everybody to go and check out uh the entirety of this piece by uh Josiah.
• 2:31:09
  SPEAKER_38: That being said, let me share this with everybody, and then we'll get into the Thinking Minnesota poll.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_38: Uh John Stossel, who I very much uh appreciate.
• 2:31:16
  SPEAKER_38: As a matter of fact, John Stossel is uh he was kind of my um unbeknownst to him.
• 2:31:22
  SPEAKER_38: Uh he was kind of my training ground when I got into talk radio.
• 2:31:25
  SPEAKER_38: I ended up consuming a couple of his books when I as I got as I made the transition from music radio into talk radio.
• 2:31:31
  SPEAKER_38: Uh he has a uh a video out that I want to share you the audio from.
• 2:31:35
  SPEAKER_38: Activists demand uh demand diversity at universities while often ending classes in diverse neighborhoods.
• 2:31:44
  SPEAKER_38: Here's the audio from John Stossel on this subject.
• 2:31:47
  SPEAKER_34: An honors English class was eliminated.
• 2:31:50
  SPEAKER_34: A program to support academically gifted students is ending.
• 2:31:53
  SPEAKER_33: Many schools are ending gifted and talented classes and have stopped separating kids by ability.
• 2:31:59
  SPEAKER_33: The reason to address quote historical inequity.
• 2:32:02
  SPEAKER_42: All students will receive accelerated instruction in one classroom.
• 2:32:06
  SPEAKER_33: It's just so misguided.
• 2:32:08
  SPEAKER_33: Like patrolly research is education.
• 2:32:10
  SPEAKER_35: You hear these equity people say, oh, we're against gifted education, we're against advanced education.
• 2:32:16
  SPEAKER_35: At the same time, they're upset that our universities aren't very diverse.
• 2:32:19
  SPEAKER_35: Well, guess what?
• 2:32:20
  SPEAKER_35: They're a big part of the problem.
• 2:32:22
  SPEAKER_35: They are standing in the way of kids of color and low-income kids from getting exactly what they need in elementary and middle and high school so they could compete.
• 2:32:32
  SPEAKER_33: Different level classes weren't always controversial.
• 2:32:35
  SPEAKER_33: When I went to school, testing and tracks were pretty standard.
• 2:32:40
  SPEAKER_35: Because guess what?
• 2:32:41
  SPEAKER_35: If you're going to teach reading, it's super hard to teach reading to uh everybody if there's some kids who don't know their letters and other kids already reading Harry Potter.
• 2:32:50
  SPEAKER_33: But then this education theorist wrote a book that criticized tracking.
• 2:32:54
  SPEAKER_34: Tracking students in school created these racially segregated classrooms within school.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_35: This led to a big anti-tracking movement, a big effort to get rid of the tracks, to get rid of the ability grouping, to just say that kids should be mixed up all together all the time.
• 2:33:15
  SPEAKER_33: And supposedly teachers using differentiated instruction can address different skill levels.
• 2:33:21
  SPEAKER_33: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 2:33:21
  SPEAKER_35: Differentiating instruction.
• 2:33:23
  SPEAKER_35: As if that just means that magically you can look out at 30 kids and figure out how to teach them all at the same time.
• 2:33:29
  SPEAKER_33: If you separate them, disproportionate numbers of white and Asian kids get that fast track education.
• 2:33:37
  SPEAKER_35: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 2:33:37
  SPEAKER_35: But it is not mostly about race.
• 2:33:39
  SPEAKER_35: It really is mostly about class, about structure, family structure, about culture.
• 2:33:45
  SPEAKER_35: Parenting.
• 2:33:46
  SPEAKER_35: About parent.
• 2:33:46
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, about parenting.
• 2:33:47
  SPEAKER_35: Unfortunately, a lot of kids growing up in poverty or near poverty show up to school and they're way far behind.
• 2:33:54
  SPEAKER_33: Many of the Asian kids came from severe poverty.
• 2:33:57
  SPEAKER_33: Yeah.
• 2:33:58
  SPEAKER_35: And do well.
• 2:33:59
  SPEAKER_35: They do.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_35: Well, regardless of how poor they tend to be.
• 2:34:02
  SPEAKER_35: Culture matters, family matters, these things matter a lot.
• 2:34:07
  SPEAKER_42: Don't have an admissions policy based on a single test.
• 2:34:11
  SPEAKER_33: This activist helped persuade New York City to remove its gifted tests.
• 2:34:16
  SPEAKER_08: She argued that tests exclude kids because they're poor.
• 2:34:20
  SPEAKER_33: Instead of using tests, teachers and others would recommend which kids are fast tracked.
• 2:34:26
  SPEAKER_35: Too many places say that the teachers make recommendations on who should be in the fast track, or the parents have to make recommendations.
• 2:34:32
  SPEAKER_35: And there's a lot of evidence that those mechanisms are biased.
• 2:34:36
  SPEAKER_33: Tests are much less biased.
• 2:34:38
  SPEAKER_33: Studies do show testing leads to increases in minorities and gifted programs.
• 2:34:43
  SPEAKER_33: But at what age should this start?
• 2:34:46
  SPEAKER_15: Kindergartners, we should not have a gifted and talented program that is separated from the face.
• 2:34:50
  SPEAKER_33: My mayor wants to get rid of gifted classes before third grade.
• 2:34:54
  SPEAKER_33: That seems reasonable, third grade.
• 2:34:57
  SPEAKER_35: It actually is reasonable.
• 2:34:59
  SPEAKER_35: But here's the thing: you need to make sure that you have something for kids, including kindergartners, who show up highly advanced.
• 2:35:06
  SPEAKER_33: Getting rid of gifted classes hurts kids like these.
• 2:35:15
  SPEAKER_42: The students designed, built, coded this satellite called TJ reverb by hand.
• 2:35:20
  SPEAKER_42: Why not use my creativity to make something I can help the world?
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_35: Why not let smart kids excel?
• 2:35:28
  SPEAKER_35: It doesn't help any of us if kids are coming to school and sitting bored in class because we're not teaching them anything new.
• 2:35:35
  SPEAKER_33: I wanted to interview anti-tracking activists to ask why is equity so much more important than letting smart kids like those excel?
• 2:35:44
  SPEAKER_33: Not one would agree to an interview.
• 2:35:47
  SPEAKER_33: Ideologu the other side.
• 2:35:51
  SPEAKER_35: Somebody's got to tell these ideologues, I'm sorry, but this is none of your business.
• 2:35:54
  SPEAKER_35: You have this wrong.
• 2:35:56
  SPEAKER_35: We are trying to see each child individually and understand what they need in order to learn something new today.
• 2:36:03
  SPEAKER_35: And that means paying attention to where they're at, where they're heading, and make sure they get the challenge they need.
• 2:36:10
  SPEAKER_38: It's a John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:36:13
  SPEAKER_38: You were listening to some commentary by John Stossel.
• 2:36:17
  SPEAKER_38: Really appreciate the work that uh he does.
• 2:36:19
  SPEAKER_38: I also appreciate the work that Bill Walsh here at Center of the American Experiment does as he joins us on the comfy sofa here at the Center of the American Experiment Studio.
• 2:36:27
  SPEAKER_38: Good morning, Bill.
• 2:36:27
  SPEAKER_38: How are you doing?
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_38: Good morning.
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_38: Great to be here.
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_38: Did you uh, I'm sure you have, but uh it's a good thing that we had our John Phelan at the Minnesota North Star Summit, or else uh we wouldn't have been fully aware that uh Keith Ellison declined to get up on stage with Ron Schutz yesterday.
• 2:36:44
  SPEAKER_38: And from what I know, and you might be able to uh to confirm this, but what I've seen is that the GOP candidates across the board have agreed to a series of debates between now and election day, but so far we don't have any DFLers that have agreed to these debates, too.
• 2:36:58
  SPEAKER_43: Right.
• 2:36:58
  SPEAKER_43: Lisa Damath put out a piece that said she's agreed to five debates and just named them and uh nothing from Klobuchar yet.
• 2:37:05
  SPEAKER_43: Uh what I've heard is that Klobuchar wants to do the Minnesota Public Radio debate, like a few days before the election, which is always a landmine for conservatives to go into uh because you know, it's right as they're voting, and the you know, the questions may not be the best uh from a Minnesota public radio staff.
• 2:37:22
  SPEAKER_43: That's the one she's agreed to.
• 2:37:24
  SPEAKER_43: Um, but nothing nothing permanent.
• 2:37:26
  SPEAKER_43: Why, why wouldn't a U.S.
• 2:37:28
  SPEAKER_43: senator, 20 years' experience, you know, know it all?
• 2:37:31
  SPEAKER_43: I know everything about Minnesota.
• 2:37:32
  SPEAKER_43: I visit every 87 counties every year.
• 2:37:34
  SPEAKER_43: What is she afraid of, you know, uh debating this uh this school board member who ran for the legislature became speaker in just a few years, you know?
• 2:37:43
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, on one hand, she's blaming uh Damath for for all the woes of healthcare policy in the country where she's been in the U.S.
• 2:37:49
  SPEAKER_43: Senate, but now she's afraid to debate her.
• 2:37:51
  SPEAKER_43: So I don't know.
• 2:37:52
  SPEAKER_43: Do voters care if you're afraid to debate?
• 2:37:54
  SPEAKER_43: I think so.
• 2:37:55
  SPEAKER_43: I think they need to see Klobuchar and Damath head to head.
• 2:37:59
  SPEAKER_43: Um that's an important part of the election.
• 2:38:01
  SPEAKER_43: So I I think it'll happen.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, but yeah, let's go.
• 2:38:05
  SPEAKER_43: And I I was there yesterday sitting next to John Fiend.
• 2:38:07
  SPEAKER_43: Oh, or you already there was a yeah, we were kind of spinning our heads because we were waiting all afternoon.
• 2:38:11
  SPEAKER_43: This is being great.
• 2:38:12
  SPEAKER_43: You know, Ron shoots, Keith Ellison on stage together.
• 2:38:14
  SPEAKER_43: This will be fun.
• 2:38:15
  SPEAKER_43: And then all of a sudden they announce um it was very confusing.
• 2:38:18
  SPEAKER_43: The Brianna Biersbach with the reporter doing the doing the interview said that basically she said Keith Ellison declined.
• 2:38:25
  SPEAKER_43: And I thought, well, we were supposed to have them both, but Keith Ellison declined.
• 2:38:28
  SPEAKER_43: I thought, wow, he didn't show.
• 2:38:29
  SPEAKER_43: And then then he kind of was very confusing in the room, but they did announce that.
• 2:38:33
  SPEAKER_43: And then Ron came out and did 15 minutes, and then she brought Keith out and did 15 minutes.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_43: So he just didn't want to be on the stage at the same time, which is just odd.
• 2:38:41
  SPEAKER_43: Again, he's been the he's been a U.S.
• 2:38:43
  SPEAKER_43: congressman, a state legislator, he's been an attorney general for eight years, and he won't sit down on a stage with the Star Tribune as the host uh and do an interview or do a debate.
• 2:38:53
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, what are they afraid of?
• 2:38:54
  SPEAKER_38: Well, I there's a question or a comment rolled in to the blaster line, a text that says dodging debate is normal for the left.
• 2:39:01
  SPEAKER_38: Hearing that Emmer is refusing to debate as well, we'll find out tomorrow because uh Representative Tom Emmer will be on the show at 8 45 tomorrow morning.
• 2:39:10
  SPEAKER_38: So I'll ask him specifically if that's the if that's the case.
• 2:39:13
  SPEAKER_38: Um, you know, you go way back when it comes to, you know, certainly longer than I have, Bill Walsh, when it comes to election cycles.
• 2:39:20
  SPEAKER_38: Is this typical for the for the DFL or GOP to avoid debates like this?
• 2:39:26
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, I mean, don't from what I remember, they Walls did.
• 2:39:29
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, they get up in the polls and they have a natural um advantage in our state, uh, obviously.
• 2:39:33
  SPEAKER_43: They've been winning for a long time.
• 2:39:34
  SPEAKER_43: Right.
• 2:39:35
  SPEAKER_43: So uh strategically, it's like running hide.
• 2:39:37
  SPEAKER_43: You know, Walls, Walls did the first election with Walls.
• 2:39:41
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, he didn't do press releases or press conferences, he didn't put himself available, he limited his debates.
• 2:39:46
  SPEAKER_43: He was leading, stay leading, don't make any mistakes.
• 2:39:49
  SPEAKER_43: He did like one press conference in that 20, uh, whatever what years, 18, must have been 18 campaign on minimum wage.
• 2:39:56
  SPEAKER_43: And and he did it in the morning.
• 2:39:57
  SPEAKER_43: And then by the end of the day, he had to fix it twice uh because he had said things that then all the staff said, Oh, that's not right.
• 2:40:03
  SPEAKER_43: And then he then he had disagreed or flipped, flipped, flip-flopped throughout the day.
• 2:40:08
  SPEAKER_43: It was a terrible day for their campaign.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_43: Didn't do another press conference the rest of the campaign, ran in the basement, hide.
• 2:40:14
  SPEAKER_43: Uh Biden did it, you know, certainly stayed in the basement, hid.
• 2:40:17
  SPEAKER_43: Um, yeah, it's a strategy.
• 2:40:18
  SPEAKER_43: If you're if you're leading, don't make any mistakes.
• 2:40:21
  SPEAKER_38: Well, I was talking, you know, and I I keep going back to this because I was talking with Melinda last night.
• 2:40:25
  SPEAKER_38: We were having this very discussion.
• 2:40:27
  SPEAKER_38: And I was pulling the audio of uh Keith Ellison calling uh Trump voters bigots and racists.
• 2:40:34
  SPEAKER_38: I'm sure you've you've heard this by uh by now.
• 2:40:36
  SPEAKER_38: As a matter of fact, just for those that haven't heard it yet, since we're later into the show here, uh, this was at a different uh event.
• 2:40:43
  SPEAKER_38: He's surrounded by other DFLers.
• 2:40:45
  SPEAKER_38: I don't know exactly where he was, I don't know if you know where he was or not.
• 2:40:48
  SPEAKER_38: Um I didn't grab it from the uh from the table.
• 2:40:50
  SPEAKER_38: But this is what Keith Ellison made.
• 2:40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just tell you, my last poll, I was down against my opponent by two points.
• 2:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know that.
• 2:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 2:41:01
  SPEAKER_01: My opponent is beating me by two points right now.
• 2:41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know if it's an accurate poll or not.
• 2:41:08
  SPEAKER_01: I do know this.
• 2:41:09
  SPEAKER_01: I take it seriously, and I hope you all take it seriously too.
• 2:41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is what you call a base election.
• 2:41:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a base election is?
• 2:41:20
  SPEAKER_01: That means whoever gets out their base, that's who's gonna win.
• 2:41:24
  SPEAKER_38: Let me pause it before we get any further.
• 2:41:25
  SPEAKER_38: Let me pause it real quick.
• 2:41:26
  SPEAKER_38: Do you agree with that?
• 2:41:27
  SPEAKER_38: Is this a base election this year?
• 2:41:28
  SPEAKER_38: Do you think?
• 2:41:29
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, I think that's accurate.
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_43: Okay.
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, that's gonna be the challenge.
• 2:41:31
  SPEAKER_43: I actually got some polling that shows that we can share.
• 2:41:34
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, we're gonna get into that here in just a moment, which is why we have Bill in.
• 2:41:37
  SPEAKER_38: But since you were at the North Star event last night, it gives me the opportunity to pick your brain a bit.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_38: I forgot you were gonna be there as well.
• 2:41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is the base of people who believe in freedom and justice, compassion and mercy, the people, will the people who believe that in the equality of human beings and the dignity of all human beings, will we show up and vote?
• 2:42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or will the bigots and the racists show up and vote?
• 2:42:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Either we're gonna show up or they're gonna show up.
• 2:42:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're not against them, they against us.
• 2:42:13
  SPEAKER_01: We don't we don't want to stop them from leading their lives, they're trying to stop us from leading our lives.
• 2:42:18
  SPEAKER_38: That was a bit of a double speak saying, you know, they against us, but yet he's calling Okay, anyway.
• 2:42:23
  SPEAKER_38: Uh the the conversation I was having with Melinda on both these fronts, whether it was Ellison skipping out on being on stage at the North Star event and this comment, um, you know, is is this impactful in any way?
• 2:42:34
  SPEAKER_38: Does this change the dynamic uh at uh at at all?
• 2:42:38
  SPEAKER_38: I know his argument here at a base election, so I guess in his mind, he assumes he can just go and you know vilify uh the right in this case and it won't have any impact on him.
• 2:42:48
  SPEAKER_38: It sounds desperate to me, but you mentioned a moment ago skipping being on stage or skipping a debate.
• 2:42:54
  SPEAKER_38: But do you think that ultimately these two things have a have a negative impact or a positive impact?
• 2:42:59
  SPEAKER_38: Do you think they have a they're impactful at all?
• 2:43:02
  SPEAKER_43: Well, I think how he characterized you know, half the people in the state of Minnesota should have an impact.
• 2:43:07
  SPEAKER_43: I would hope, right?
• 2:43:08
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, uh th if if if you say in base our base versus their base and he characterizes you know the Republican base as bigots and racists, I mean, uh come on.
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, that's there's a lot that's that's uh that's ridiculous.
• 2:43:21
  SPEAKER_43: Let's just say it.
• 2:43:21
  SPEAKER_43: Sure.
• 2:43:22
  SPEAKER_43: So it should it should bother people who put themselves in that if they put themselves one one of those two sides.
• 2:43:27
  SPEAKER_43: Um, yeah, does it does it have an impact?
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, I I think Keith Ellison, when he started the campaign, I thought, wow, this guy's feeling like he's got nothing to lose.
• 2:43:35
  SPEAKER_43: He's not pretending, he's not being political, he's not trying to go to the middle.
• 2:43:40
  SPEAKER_43: He's he's running as Keith Ellison.
• 2:43:42
  SPEAKER_43: And so I don't know if he thinks this is his best shot and hopes that just the just the DFL base shows up and he can win.
• 2:43:49
  SPEAKER_43: But I feel like it's it's a it's a bit of an honest campaign.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_43: He's not pandering, he's not trying to pretend this is who he is, and he's barely won the last time.
• 2:43:58
  SPEAKER_43: And I I I would predict he's gonna lose this time.
• 2:44:01
  SPEAKER_43: And and and and it's because the fraud is the number one issue in the campaign, as we're gonna find out.
• 2:44:06
  SPEAKER_43: And I think the KSDP poll that came out showed that they they went deep on the attorney general's race.
• 2:44:11
  SPEAKER_43: What's the most important issue as you pick an attorney general?
• 2:44:14
  SPEAKER_43: Fraud was way, way high.
• 2:44:16
  SPEAKER_43: So he's got no answer on that.
• 2:44:18
  SPEAKER_43: He, you know, he he is as you know, was Bill Glon got the got the audio, we released it, that he was meeting with Feeding Our Future Fraudsters, you know, before the before the federal raids came down.
• 2:44:28
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, then they were giving him donations, you know, weeks later.
• 2:44:31
  SPEAKER_43: And then they rate the fed feds raided those guys.
• 2:44:34
  SPEAKER_43: So he's got a terrible history of not doing anything about fraud, but also meeting with fraudsters and getting money from them.
• 2:44:39
  SPEAKER_43: So that's that's gonna be the message against him.
• 2:44:42
  SPEAKER_43: It's gonna be very difficult for him to overcome that.
• 2:44:44
  SPEAKER_38: So we have this um uh September 26th, Minnesota statewide voter survey.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna run through some pieces of it here on the show.
• 2:44:51
  SPEAKER_38: We'll do so um again uh next uh next week.
• 2:44:54
  SPEAKER_38: With that, though, just keeping with the theme of uh of the election, they have to have their own internal polling as well.
• 2:45:01
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, this I to me, the way you know, skipping being up on stage, just declining to be on stage.
• 2:45:07
  SPEAKER_38: Because it wasn't even necessarily supposed to be a debate at the North Star Summit, right?
• 2:45:10
  SPEAKER_38: It was just an appearance from both the candidates.
• 2:45:12
  SPEAKER_38: They were going to talk about some of the issues, but it wasn't like an official debate.
• 2:45:16
  SPEAKER_38: I have to imagine that they're getting something from their internal polling that's kind of pointing them this direction.
• 2:45:22
  SPEAKER_38: Maybe it's that the DFL voters want to see more of this, or maybe their internal polling is even worse than what we're seeing in some of the other polling, and it's desperation.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, what do you think?
• 2:45:33
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, I don't know if I see desperation yet.
• 2:45:35
  SPEAKER_43: Um, but you you saw Klobuchar for governor, her first ad dealt with fraud.
• 2:45:39
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, that's a tell.
• 2:45:41
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, obviously they're seeing the same numbers we are, and KSDP is uh that fraud is the number one issue.
• 2:45:46
  SPEAKER_43: So uh, and and knowing you can't just ignore the number one issue with the electorate.
• 2:45:50
  SPEAKER_43: So um I don't think I've seen desperation yet, but um they've got a they've got an institutional advantage in the state.
• 2:45:58
  SPEAKER_43: Um so they're the the the strategy is to not make mistakes and get out the vote.
• 2:46:04
  SPEAKER_38: So let's get into some of this.
• 2:46:06
  SPEAKER_38: Um, you know, we've we've done these polls here.
• 2:46:09
  SPEAKER_38: Uh is there let's just start here when it comes to this Thinking Minnesota and these poll results.
• 2:46:13
  SPEAKER_38: Uh you mentioned fraud, but what was the what was one of the biggest the biggest takeaways for you, Bill, as you were running through this?
• 2:46:19
  SPEAKER_38: Like what was like the first thing we're like, oh, I wasn't expecting that, or I was expecting that, or I'm surprised to see that.
• 2:46:25
  SPEAKER_38: What was one of the biggest take the one of the biggest takeaways?
• 2:46:27
  SPEAKER_43: Well, before we get to that, let me just let me just uh set it up a little bit.
• 2:46:30
  SPEAKER_43: Sure.
• 2:46:30
  SPEAKER_43: Uh this is our quarterly Thinking Minnesota poll.
• 2:46:32
  SPEAKER_43: We do it as part of our magazine that we send out quarterly.
• 2:46:35
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and because we have you in-house now, which is awesome, this is this is a little bit a new thing for us.
• 2:46:42
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, we're gonna break the poll on your show every quarter.
• 2:46:45
  SPEAKER_43: So uh this is breaking news.
• 2:46:47
  SPEAKER_43: We have not shared these results with anybody anywhere else.
• 2:46:49
  SPEAKER_43: Well, John Phelan had a couple of slides yesterday in his presentation, and he didn't even really tell the folks in that room that no one's seen these results yet.
• 2:46:56
  SPEAKER_43: So, so I just want to kind of hype this a little bit.
• 2:46:59
  SPEAKER_43: This is breaking news on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment, our our our first results.
• 2:47:04
  SPEAKER_43: Um, it'll be in the it'll be in the magazine.
• 2:47:06
  SPEAKER_43: There'll be a story in the magazine that comes out in a few weeks.
• 2:47:08
  SPEAKER_43: Um they can see the, they can digest all of this.
• 2:47:11
  SPEAKER_43: So uh that's that's just to get that out of the way.
• 2:47:13
  SPEAKER_43: We do a poll every quarter, uh, meeting site site inch insights, uh meeting street insights out of South Carolina is our pollster, Rob Autry.
• 2:47:21
  SPEAKER_43: We've been doing this with him for years.
• 2:47:22
  SPEAKER_43: Um, so it's a you know, it's a 500-person survey, you know, the got the air margin and all that.
• 2:47:26
  SPEAKER_43: So it's a a poll every quarter of Minnesotans, uh very scientifically done.
• 2:47:31
  SPEAKER_43: Um, the biggest takeaway, I mean, if you just had to kind of sum it up, we well, first of all, just to set the table, we've been asking right track, wrong track in Minnesota for a long time.
• 2:47:41
  SPEAKER_43: We have a trend on that.
• 2:47:42
  SPEAKER_43: When Tim Walls took office, uh right track 57%.
• 2:47:46
  SPEAKER_43: Okay, people thought the state's going well, right track 57%.
• 2:47:49
  SPEAKER_43: It flipped, you know, a little bit about 2019, 2020, and it hasn't recovered.
• 2:47:54
  SPEAKER_43: It was it was 65% during the surge, you know, where nobody thought Minnesota, yeah, is Minnesota on the wrong track?
• 2:48:02
  SPEAKER_43: No, nobody thought it was on the wrong track.
• 2:48:04
  SPEAKER_43: And it's recovered a bit since then.
• 2:48:05
  SPEAKER_43: But we asked wrong right track, wrong track.
• 2:48:07
  SPEAKER_43: 55% of Minnesotans, September one through three was when this poll was done, uh, believe the state's on the wrong track.
• 2:48:14
  SPEAKER_43: So that's not good for the people in charge.
• 2:48:15
  SPEAKER_43: And that's not national, that's not Trump.
• 2:48:17
  SPEAKER_43: That's is Minnesota on the right track or going the wrong right direction or off on the wrong track.
• 2:48:22
  SPEAKER_43: So that's gonna be the cover of the magazine that comes out in a couple weeks, uh, wrong track, uh, Minnesota.
• 2:48:27
  SPEAKER_43: We're on the wrong track.
• 2:48:28
  SPEAKER_43: So that's kind of the backdrop.
• 2:48:29
  SPEAKER_43: Then we ask him, you know, what's the most important issue?
• 2:48:31
  SPEAKER_43: Uh in the in the election um for governor, fraud, number one, uh when it with a top issue, but we just let people say one thing, fraud it uh was the number one issue, followed by um uh what's the wording on it?
• 2:48:45
  SPEAKER_43: I gotta get the wording right.
• 2:48:46
  SPEAKER_43: Um essentially affordability, essentially inflation and the cost of living.
• 2:48:50
  SPEAKER_43: Cost of living uh was to us two.
• 2:48:52
  SPEAKER_43: Um when we asked them to give us our first their top two answers, uh of inflation and the cost of living became the number one, and fraud closely followed at number two.
• 2:49:01
  SPEAKER_43: So the the to start there, the fraud is still the number one issue in the election, um, closely followed by um inflation and the cost of living.
• 2:49:10
  SPEAKER_43: Um then we asked for the folks, um, what do you think the party's number one issue is?
• 2:49:15
  SPEAKER_43: So it's like not we ask your opinion, like what do you think the top issue is perception?
• 2:49:20
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, what do you think the Republicans care about?
• 2:49:22
  SPEAKER_43: What do you think the Democrats care about?
• 2:49:24
  SPEAKER_43: And so they said Republicans believe fraud is the number one issue, or they're working on fraud, that's their top priority, 51%.
• 2:49:32
  SPEAKER_43: Uh immigration, 40%.
• 2:49:34
  SPEAKER_43: Nothing else even cracks, you know, above 20 or 15.
• 2:49:38
  SPEAKER_43: So Minnesotans understand that Republicans are focused on fraud.
• 2:49:43
  SPEAKER_43: 51% top issue that they believe that Republicans are.
• 2:49:46
  SPEAKER_43: Uh Democrats are they're all over the map.
• 2:49:49
  SPEAKER_43: You know, healthcare came out first, I think.
• 2:49:51
  SPEAKER_43: Um cost of living was up there, but nothing, nothing's like 27, 27, 27.
• 2:49:56
  SPEAKER_43: Nothing pops as like the clear what do Democrats stand for right now in the state.
• 2:50:02
  SPEAKER_43: So the biggest takeaway from the polls, the question you originally asked, is you we always talk about framing elections.
• 2:50:08
  SPEAKER_43: You know, what why do people go vote this year?
• 2:50:11
  SPEAKER_43: And the last time we ran for governor in 2022, uh, we had the the the abortion decision from the US Supreme Court come down in the summer, and that framed the entire election.
• 2:50:21
  SPEAKER_43: The most important reason people went to vote was their position on abortion, pro or con.
• 2:50:26
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and that was the framing for the election.
• 2:50:29
  SPEAKER_43: Democrats ran the table uh because that that that position prevailed.
• 2:50:34
  SPEAKER_43: This year, as you can see, fraud is the number one issue.
• 2:50:37
  SPEAKER_43: Uh that's been the framing of the election is I'm going to vote to because my number one issue is fraud.
• 2:50:43
  SPEAKER_43: And on the number one issue, the public thinks Republicans are focused on that.
• 2:50:48
  SPEAKER_43: So if you're a if you're a if you want to go to give hope to Republicans, um you can say they're they're they're getting a lot of credit from the voters on the voters' top issue.
• 2:50:58
  SPEAKER_43: That sets up well.
• 2:50:59
  SPEAKER_43: That sets up well in a framing for the election in in just a few weeks.
• 2:51:02
  SPEAKER_38: Well, and you begin to see so you can you you begin to see the narrative form, right?
• 2:51:08
  SPEAKER_38: So you know, we're talking about this these uh candidate polls that came out.
• 2:51:13
  SPEAKER_38: We had a couple of them uh last week, uh, and they showed, you know, a couple of the GOP candidates that were that were leading.
• 2:51:20
  SPEAKER_38: You see uh aim uh Lisa Damath essentially in striking distance of Amy Klobuchar, you see Michelle Tafoya pretty much tied, if not leading, you know, leading uh slightly over Peggy Flanagan.
• 2:51:32
  SPEAKER_38: And again, you look at fraud being the top issue, and then that perception that it's Republicans that have it focused, and you begin to see, okay, now we can see why things are looking the way that they are currently.
• 2:51:44
  SPEAKER_38: And it goes back to what I said before.
• 2:51:46
  SPEAKER_38: It's like I don't know what Democrats can do to change that at this point in time.
• 2:51:51
  SPEAKER_38: They have so little time between now and the election, they've already sort of dodged these issues.
• 2:51:57
  SPEAKER_38: If you're looking at the, you know, uh thinking Minnesota poll, uh, individuals don't think that Democrats are focused on this.
• 2:52:04
  SPEAKER_38: Um, they're obviously avoiding talking about it for a specific reason because they don't want to be attached to it.
• 2:52:09
  SPEAKER_38: So even if they were to begin to spend the last five weeks focusing on fraud, it may be to their to their detriment.
• 2:52:16
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, this is a really interesting dynamic that is um that's playing out, and one that oddly, but you know, based off of recent history, is a positive one for Republicans currently.
• 2:52:27
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, and we've we've seen this before.
• 2:52:29
  SPEAKER_43: Uh issues get baked in in the electorate.
• 2:52:31
  SPEAKER_43: And I think this the fraud thing has been baked in with Minnesotans.
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_43: Um our polster told us that uh I think months ago, like like two polls ago, said the fraud is baked in.
• 2:52:42
  SPEAKER_43: There's nothing anybody can do to like wedge that out as the number one issue.
• 2:52:46
  SPEAKER_43: They know what they believe on it and they're voting on it, and it's baked in.
• 2:52:49
  SPEAKER_43: That happens a lot in campaigns, and you're right, there's nothing you can do about it.
• 2:52:52
  SPEAKER_43: You've got to go to turnout, you've got to uh build coalitions, you've got to do the ground game to overcome the environment.
• 2:52:59
  SPEAKER_43: And like I say, Republicans in this state normally have the environment going against them.
• 2:53:03
  SPEAKER_43: This time it appears that they have it going for them.
• 2:53:06
  SPEAKER_43: The other interesting part is that in talking to our pollster and talking to other pollsters, uh, this is not the phenomenon in the rest of the country.
• 2:53:12
  SPEAKER_43: The rest of the country, uh, inflation, the cost of living, the price of gas, like you were talking about all morning, that's the number one issue uh with voters across the country.
• 2:53:21
  SPEAKER_43: And Minnesota does have a history of of uh missing the wave.
• 2:53:25
  SPEAKER_43: And and usually if you're a Republican, it misses the wrong way.
• 2:53:29
  SPEAKER_43: But this year we might miss the wave because they say that it's it's the same everywhere except in Minnesota.
• 2:53:35
  SPEAKER_43: It's different.
• 2:53:36
  SPEAKER_43: The polling is different in Minnesota because this unique fraud problem uh is where it's baked in.
• 2:53:41
  SPEAKER_38: Well, and that again, um, I mean, I almost in in hindsight, I'm glad I waited, but in hindsight, I kind of wish I would have factored that into the to the gas conversation because uh I was kind of expecting, and then pleasantly surprised that I was right, that the majority of respondents when it came to the gas prices, they didn't blow them off completely.
• 2:54:00
  SPEAKER_38: They acknowledged they were high, they didn't like it, but they also understood why it why they were, and they weren't that overly negative about it.
• 2:54:07
  SPEAKER_38: And again, if you take what's in this thinking Minnesota poll, and if we were to ask those same individuals, all the hundreds, if not, I was more than that this morning.
• 2:54:16
  SPEAKER_38: We got a lot of comments today who commented on the gas prices.
• 2:54:19
  SPEAKER_38: I'm an adventure, I guess the majority of them would have also said that fraud was top of mind, and therefore putting the money in, you know, putting extra dollars into your into your tank is a little bit less important than it is, you know, getting the state back under control and stopping all the fraud because they perceive that as their money because it is their money that's been taken from them.
• 2:54:38
  SPEAKER_43: Well, that's exactly it.
• 2:54:39
  SPEAKER_43: And we asked, we did our whole poll, the previous poll this summer on affordability.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_43: And we asked all the affordability with child care, housing, healthcare, energy prices, and we asked, you know, what's your number, what's the number one thing the state, state leaders should do to make the state more affordable?
• 2:54:57
  SPEAKER_43: And we had all those issues in there, you know, lower the cost of housing, lower my property taxes, the price of gasoline was in that list.
• 2:55:03
  SPEAKER_43: And kind of at the last minute, we added, well, reduce fraud.
• 2:55:07
  SPEAKER_43: Let's put fraud in there as a choice in this in this poll question.
• 2:55:11
  SPEAKER_43: It by far the number one choice.
• 2:55:14
  SPEAKER_43: Minnesotans, when they they'd so how do you want to handle affordability?
• 2:55:17
  SPEAKER_43: Stop wasting money on fraud.
• 2:55:19
  SPEAKER_43: That was their number one answer, which I was like, wow, this fraud thing is permeating.
• 2:55:23
  SPEAKER_43: Even when we're trying to go deep on, well, what specifically do you mean when you say affordability?
• 2:55:28
  SPEAKER_43: Minnesotans said, fix the fraud, stop stealing our money.
• 2:55:31
  SPEAKER_43: That's something that they can see tangibly coming out of their pockets uh in the form of taxes and wasted, wasted money.
• 2:55:38
  SPEAKER_43: The other little thing is that um suburban voters in our polling, both that poll and this poll, are are are more concerned about fraud than the rest of the state.
• 2:55:47
  SPEAKER_43: And it's we're kind of staring at that, going, why?
• 2:55:49
  SPEAKER_43: Why would that be?
• 2:55:51
  SPEAKER_43: And we don't we didn't go deep.
• 2:55:53
  SPEAKER_43: We wish we always wish we we we see a question like that, we wish we would, oh, we should have followed up.
• 2:55:56
  SPEAKER_43: Right.
• 2:55:58
  SPEAKER_38: That's a moment that I had earlier.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_38: Talking about the gas question.
• 2:56:02
  SPEAKER_43: But but um the pollster thinks it's just that that suburban voter, um, if you if you generalize, you know, uh things are okay in their life, things are good.
• 2:56:12
  SPEAKER_43: And there and there's a lot of empathy in suburban voters.
• 2:56:14
  SPEAKER_43: We and it's usually the detriment of conservatives at the polls, empathy for all these different people.
• 2:56:19
  SPEAKER_43: They're doing fine, but they have empathy for others.
• 2:56:21
  SPEAKER_43: And so you get this suburban female voter, the soccer mom, you know, that looking out for others, not necessarily voting in their own self-interest, uh, using their empathy to vote for policies that that don't work, frankly.
• 2:56:33
  SPEAKER_43: But uh, that's what you're up against when you're running it as a conservative.
• 2:56:36
  SPEAKER_43: But on the the fraud crosses the line.
• 2:56:38
  SPEAKER_43: It's like, look, I'm willing to be empathetic, I'm willing to help others, I'm willing to use tax dollars to help others, but don't steal it.
• 2:56:45
  SPEAKER_43: Don't, don't give it away.
• 2:56:46
  SPEAKER_43: Don't, you know, be accountable for that money.
• 2:56:49
  SPEAKER_43: So the fraud actually crossed the line, we think, for suburban voters.
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_43: Uh is it's too much.
• 2:56:53
  SPEAKER_43: They're done.
• 2:56:54
  SPEAKER_43: So they're they're feeling it more, and they're telling us that they're feeling it more than the rest of the state.
• 2:56:58
  SPEAKER_38: And this is uh exclusive uh to us here at Center of the American Experiment, the Thinking Minnesota poll, uh, the statewide voter survey.
• 2:57:05
  SPEAKER_38: You're hearing this information for the first time, and we're gonna do this again and get into further details uh next week on the show.
• 2:57:11
  SPEAKER_38: And as you said, this will be out in the uh magazine in the next few weeks, too, correct?
• 2:57:15
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• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_43: You get this magazine in your mailbox before anybody else does.
• 2:57:21
  SPEAKER_38: Um, I want to bring this up before we wrap up today.
• 2:57:24
  SPEAKER_38: I have a question for you regarding this.
• 2:57:25
  SPEAKER_38: Anything else that you want to reveal today before we wrap up our conversation?
• 2:57:29
  SPEAKER_38: Um, but breaking down the data by party helps explain why the political discourse has become so difficult lately.
• 2:57:36
  SPEAKER_38: Um, Democrats and repa Republicans spending too much time in their own bubbles and their views of each other are influenced by those bubbles.
• 2:57:43
  SPEAKER_38: And it plays into a bit of what you were mentioning just a moment ago when it talks about the depreception of both parties, right?
• 2:57:48
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, I mean, um re w there's some revealing information in there.
• 2:57:52
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, uh Republicans think uh Democrats are focused on abortion, you know, if you when you break it down, it's like, well, they're and they're really not.
• 2:58:00
  SPEAKER_43: And then the rest of the state doesn't think that.
• 2:58:02
  SPEAKER_43: They think Democrats are focused on health care and and affordability.
• 2:58:06
  SPEAKER_43: But Republicans, we just if you break them out, they think that Democrats are focused on abortion.
• 2:58:11
  SPEAKER_43: Democrats think Republicans are focused on like family issues and social family issues.
• 2:58:16
  SPEAKER_43: Um and again, they're not, and the rest of the state doesn't think that independents don't think that.
• 2:58:20
  SPEAKER_43: Uh they think that Republicans are focused on fraud.
• 2:58:23
  SPEAKER_43: So you can kind of see the parties' perceptions of each other of each other.
• 2:58:27
  SPEAKER_43: And I think that adds to the to the discourse, uh the the the lack of discourse or the difficult discourse.
• 2:58:33
  SPEAKER_43: When you don't really even understand your opponent's positions, um then it's difficult to have a good conversation.
• 2:58:40
  SPEAKER_43: I think it's it's the number one thing.
• 2:58:41
  SPEAKER_43: You see that with world leaders, you see that with everywhere, you know, you know, the ability to communicate, you have to understand what what the real position is of your opponent, and there's a disconnect there.
• 2:58:50
  SPEAKER_38: On the topic of uh safety, uh, we have a uh friend of the show that has a question for Billy.
• 2:58:55
  SPEAKER_18: Hey Dan, could you ask him how uh safety is an issue for this election also?
• 2:59:00
  SPEAKER_18: And is there any way that we could get a list of conservative judges, if there is even one that would actually put a bad person in jail?
• 2:59:09
  SPEAKER_18: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I get that one a lot regarding the uh the judges.
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  SPEAKER_38: There's got to be a uh a way to get the uh to get a list on that somewhere.
• 2:59:16
  SPEAKER_38: I don't have access to it.
• 2:59:18
  SPEAKER_38: But on the issue of uh a safety, is there anything that you can clean from the polling?
• 2:59:21
  SPEAKER_38: Uh I know we're doing this on the uh on the fly and it's a pretty extensive poll.
• 2:59:24
  SPEAKER_43: On the on the voters' top priority, like I said, fraud, fraud is number one at 21%, and we give them a long list.
• 2:59:30
  SPEAKER_43: Uh crime and public safety, five percent.
• 2:59:33
  SPEAKER_43: So it didn't really pop very high with with with in terms of the poll.
• 2:59:37
  SPEAKER_43: It's it's you know, one, two, three, it's like 10th place uh uh on the list.
• 2:59:41
  SPEAKER_43: Um, so it's just not a not a voting issue right now.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_43: The voters are telling us it's not.
• 2:59:46
  SPEAKER_43: Um conservative judges is always difficult.
• 2:59:48
  SPEAKER_43: We get asked that a lot here.
• 2:59:50
  SPEAKER_43: Um uh we don't have a list of conservative judges.
• 2:59:53
  SPEAKER_43: We've we've done some work on on exposing judges that are letting folks go uh that shouldn't be letting them go.
• 3:00:00
  SPEAKER_43: Uh criminal injustice project we did a few years ago that gave some information, but um uh it's very difficult uh to get to get any kind of research on the records of judges.
• 3:00:10
  SPEAKER_43: Um it's also it's difficult because there's a lot of plea bargains, there's a lot of, I mean, if you ask Dave Zimmer, you should bring him on, maybe ask him that question.
• 3:00:18
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, you know, there's there's really good judges that if you looked at their record, the record may not look that good if you try to judge on how uh sentencing and and how they diverted from guidelines and things like that because of all the plea bargaining and everything gets done.
• 3:00:33
  SPEAKER_43: So it's difficult.
• 3:00:34
  SPEAKER_43: It's an internal debate here about how we should be exposing more judges.
• 3:00:37
  SPEAKER_43: So I say stay tuned.
• 3:00:38
  SPEAKER_43: We're gonna keep working on it.
• 3:00:39
  SPEAKER_38: The safety issue doesn't surprise me.
• 3:00:41
  SPEAKER_38: I think perception-wise, because of everything that takes place in Minneapolis and because of such a focus there, I think there um the perception would be that there would be a larger concern about safety, but when you get out of the out of the metro, it becomes less and less of a concern.
• 3:00:55
  SPEAKER_38: So that number doesn't uh doesn't surprise me very much.
• 3:00:58
  SPEAKER_38: Is there anything that you want to mention today uh regarding uh this exclusive polling information uh that will be available soon in the uh in the magazine?
• 3:01:06
  SPEAKER_38: And again, we'll talk uh more details uh next week on the show.
• 3:01:09
  SPEAKER_38: But anything else you want to mention today?
• 3:01:10
  SPEAKER_43: We should just tease that next week we'll go deep on the DSA and what ministers think of Democrats, Socialist America, and how they're influencing the Democrat Party and what the perceptions of voters of the DSA and the DFL.
• 3:01:22
  SPEAKER_43: And just to tease it, the DFL has a DSA problem.
• 3:01:25
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, it is clear.
• 3:01:26
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, I've looked at the data and um we'll definitely uh be uh doing some promotion of that ahead of uh next week's conversation.
• 3:01:33
  SPEAKER_38: I'm really looking forward to it.
• 3:01:34
  SPEAKER_38: Uh Bill Walsh, uh good to see you, and I'll see you out in the hall here in just a few minutes.
• 3:01:38
  SPEAKER_38: But uh thanks for coming in and joining us this morning.
• 3:01:40
  SPEAKER_38: I appreciate it, buddy.
• 3:01:41
  SPEAKER_38: Awesome, thanks.
• 3:01:42
  SPEAKER_38: And uh that wraps up the show uh for a uh Wednesday tomorrow.
• 3:01:45
  SPEAKER_38: We'll have uh policy fellow uh Darren Nelson.
• 3:01:48
  SPEAKER_38: He'll be in at 8 o'clock uh tomorrow morning.
• 3:01:51
  SPEAKER_38: We're gonna talk about a number of different uh articles that he has up at American Experiment, including one on NIMBY's, which is a topic that we haven't talked about much on the show, but I love a good NIMBY uh discussion.
• 3:02:01
  SPEAKER_38: Also, Representative Tom Emmer will be joining us at 8 45 uh tomorrow uh morning.
• 3:02:06
  SPEAKER_38: Thanks so much for hanging with us uh today.
• 3:02:09
  SPEAKER_38: I know that we were having some uh issues on the YouTube uh audio, so we are still addressing that.
• 3:02:15
  SPEAKER_38: So my apologies and I appreciate the support that everybody has given.
• 3:02:19
  SPEAKER_38: I can tell you, though, that um you can catch a rewatch of the show on YouTube at Center of the American Experiment and my YouTube page as well.
• 3:02:27
  SPEAKER_38: And that will be clean audio.
• 3:02:28
  SPEAKER_38: We repost it, so there's a clean feed up there in case you missed any portion of the show.
• 3:02:33
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• 3:02:39
  SPEAKER_38: And the video is posted to Rumble at Center of the American Experiments Rumble page as well.
• 3:02:44
  SPEAKER_38: So again, thank you so much for spending time with us this morning for getting involved in the blaster line.
• 3:02:49
  SPEAKER_38: Have yourself a fantastic uh middle of the week.
• 3:02:52
  SPEAKER_38: God bless, and I'll talk to you guys at 6 a.m.
• 3:02:54
  SPEAKER_38: tomorrow morning, right here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.