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Episode #128: How to Live WELL to 100 · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, welcome to another podcast of Beyond Labels with yours truly Joel Salatin, the farmer, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena just recently watched the Netflix series titled Living to 100 Secrets of the Blue Zone, and has uh has stimulated ideas as we you know talk about um living well uh into old age and just living well and then and then dying quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, uh one of the one of the s I think signal features of our modern culture is that that the that people kind of get parted out, um and and and and death or degeneration is a long, very arduous, slow process.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the idea of people kind of in a wellness community is that you live and live and live, you you keep your mind, you keep your faculties, and then and then you know, the final demise is just over a fairly short period, a couple months, a month, three months.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and of course, those of us who have read a lot of Native American literature and and and stories, you know, uh uh know about primitive cultures.
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  SPEAKER_01: Often people just kind of sensed the end was close, and they just wandered off and, you know, and and and they were gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and you know, they they maintained that autonomy, that that sense of um of personal destiny right up toward the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so with all that in mind, uh I'll turn it over to Cena and start down this kind of a list of nine commonalities that go along with longevity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and we'll we'll just uh talk about it and I think it'll be real uh encouraging for all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's start out with something very basic.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is the blue zone?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So blue zone is defined as an area, a geographical area with the highest percentage of centenarians, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: In these areas, people have reached the age of 100 at 10 times greater rates than in the United States, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So people are wanting to know how did they do it?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do they actually get to this point where they're reaching 100 years old?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, in the documentary, Joel, a lot of the information was just common sense for us in this field, you know, so kind of a recap, a good reminder, like kind of affirming, like, yes, I'm doing it right, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there were some inspiring things um and some things that were good takeaways for me that I'm actually implementing in my family.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna see what happens over the next few months and if we feel different and if our disposition changes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'll check back with you then.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to start by saying, let me ask you a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so I I haven't seen it, but but how um now that you've seen it, is the overlay anywhere close to the same areas where Weston A.
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  SPEAKER_01: Price uh found longevity when he was studying degenerative diseases and and and developing his um his his traditional food guidelines, you know, the Weston A.
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  SPEAKER_01: Price Foundation, Weston A.
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  SPEAKER_01: Price, when he when he found these you know long-lived societies?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so the five blue zones that they went to in this documentary, they were Loma Linda, California, Nicoya, Costa Rica, Sardinia, Italy, Icaria, Greece, and Okinawa, Japan.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those they actually went to those areas, and you got to see the way that the people lived and what foods they ate, you know, and how they interacted with other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was that was actually one of the biggest takeaways for me was actually seeing these people in their late 80s throughout their 90s, and some people who were 100 and over, and you you actually saw them.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you didn't read about them because I've read about blue zones before.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's different to actually see these centenarians in action because most of us, like you said, we have a role model in our society of people who are aging and they're not very mobile, they're losing their mental capabilities, they're dependent on drugs and maybe dialysis, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there's kind of this fear of, oh gosh, I don't want that to happen to me as I get older, but it seems inevitable because that's how it is all around me.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was so inspiring for me because you they were not weak, immobile people, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Most of them were independent, they weren't depending on anybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, they first so for example, in Costa Rica, there was a hundred-year-old man.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was riding horses, he was herding cows on his horses, he was cutting the grass with a machete, chopping wood, they would procure their own food and prepare it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, you looked at him and I thought, oh, maybe he's in his early 60s.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that must be the son of a centenarian.
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  SPEAKER_00: But no, like that was actually him.
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  SPEAKER_00: In um in Loma Linda, there was an 84-year-old woman, and she plays pickleball three hours a day, every single day.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can see her playing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she moves more fluidly than some people that I know in their 40s and 50s.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, a couple more examples.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are 90-year-olds biking and gardening in Okinawa.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there were um in, I believe it was in Italy, there were women in their mid-90s walking uphill to attend church every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a 105-year-old woman in Costa Rica chopping wood.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, and the examples go on and on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, Joel, I know your mom, she recently turned 100, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: My um, my maternal grandmother, she passed away when she was 96.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know what's really cool?
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  SPEAKER_00: She actually was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was 15 at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so she lived through that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, her father was second in command at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then after the attack, he they put him first in command.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she's recounted the stories about it, and you know, it it's it's really breathtaking to uh a moving um example in our family of, you know, love.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so my mom, you know, just turned uh 100 on December 11th, just you know, a month ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and uh my my you know, the way I kind of put a peg in the significance of that is to realize, you know, when when we meet somebody who was alive at Pearl Harbor, you know, we oh, you four or five, do you remember anything?
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you remember that sort of thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mom was 18 at Pearl Harbor, she was already 18 years old, you know, at Pearl Harbor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that kind of helps to helps to peg it uh too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like your story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's remarkable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, my my grandfather, my paternal grandfather, he was almost 99 when he died.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was like a month or two shy of 99.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was so mobile, mentally sharp.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was active.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was actually um in the Guinness Book of World Records for being the oldest paper boy.
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  SPEAKER_00: He started delivering newspapers in 1947, you know, on foot, walking them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And up until his mid-90s, Joel, he was still delivering the papers on that same paper route.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in his mid-90s, he would bike to and from work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he he owned, um, he he owned the paper, the newspaper, you know, later he sold it later in life, but he did own a newspaper.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so he would bike, you know, the several blocks to and from work, like every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: And up until just a couple, I think just a couple months before he died, he was still writing a weekly column, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So totally still active and sharp.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's all these great examples, like like there are some here in America, you know, other than Loma Linda, where you have these people living vibrant, joyful, capable lives all the way up until the moment that they pass away, close to 100.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for me, this was one of the big takeaways is that there isn't anything to fear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes people I talk to are like, oh, I don't want to live that long because I don't want to be, you know, dependent on the system.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to have that decline, all those years of decline.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we see all these great examples of it doesn't have to be that way, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Longevity can be joyful.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't need to be painful or torturous.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was another cool thing about this is that it they were living long, healthy lives, what I say living well to 100 without actually trying.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're not actively trying to seek this fountain of youth or like, give me the next supplement on the market that's the newest snake oil.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: They weren't actually trying, they were living balanced, healthy lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what I want to do is just go into these commonalities that these researchers found and really highlight some of them that um I think, at least for my family, we have decided to really put our intention on those this year.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's quickly go through the list.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would love for you to jump in and let us know too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, does this list check the box for your mom and other relatives in your family that live to 100?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll do the same with my grandparents, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So we can compare notes here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so commonalities amongst the blue zones.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, in other words, amongst the people who are living the longest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one, they had a sense of purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every morning, they had a reason to wake up, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: This was true also for my grandparents.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, my grandfather got up, his purpose was to go write his column, deliver the newspapers.
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  SPEAKER_00: My grandmother, her purpose was a little different.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had already retired, but volunteering is a gives you a sense of purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Loma Linda, that was one of the biggest senses of purpose was volunteer efforts through their church.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so my grandmother would volunteer all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had a church community that she would volunteer with.
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  SPEAKER_00: She went to Friends of the Library and volunteered.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she was very vibrant and active in that category.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does the same hold true for your relatives, Joel, who are near 100?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mom, after my dad passed away, uh I think I think mom would ended up being in almost 20 uh volunteer organizations.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, her her her her daily calendar was way fuller than mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh and and I mean she just she was just in every kind of local volunteer organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, even up into her 90s, uh she she she was driving.
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  SPEAKER_01: She she didn't stop driving until she was 97.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, at 94, 95, 96, she was in a group called um, I can't help but share this because it's so funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, she was in a group called um uh what do they call themselves?
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  SPEAKER_01: The um anyway, uh they they sang old old hymns, uh happy notes, happy notes, that's what they were, happy notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and so they would sing it at these, uh, and they sang really, really well.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were good, and they would sing at nursing homes around nursing home retirement centers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so she would pop in, here she is, you know, 93, 94, 95.
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  SPEAKER_01: She pops into the house and says, Well, we're going to sing to the old folks.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she was 94, 95, and most of the people she was singing for were, you know, younger than she was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she said, We're going to sing to the old folks, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so that was just, you know, that was just um a normal, normal for for her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that because that piggybacks on one of the categories of commonalities of blue zones.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just a sense of purpose, but it it is like kind of your perception of life, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Your outlook on life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there your mom is not even encumping herself with like the old folks, quote unquote.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like that, she didn't view herself that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's so important, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The way that you view yourself, not only your role in society, but even your place in getting older, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't view myself as getting older uh because I feel happier and healthier than ever before in my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, so yeah, so I don't have to think of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I've been blessed to know of of uh of several centenarians.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another one was was my wife, Teresa's uh um grandmother, uh, who lived to 106 months, and then she had an um she had an uh she also had a sister who lived to 102, but uh for for we call you know grandma mason cup, Teresa's grandmother.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I I think I think this one really goes along with her, this perception of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: She um she she was kind of opposite my mother.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mother was going, going, going.
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  SPEAKER_01: Grandma Mason Cup.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um her thing was that her perception of life, she was just content.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was content, she she could find happiness in going and um and sitting by the garden watching watching butterflies all day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so so her perception of life was not uh I've got to be busy, busy, busy, or I've got this, that, and the other uh kind of um you know requirements for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just contentment, contentment in life, contentment in the situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh that always just really, really struck me um how how she was able to be that that satisfied, easily satisfied and content in the situation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like she found inner peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, with which is an important quality for living long as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so the the next common commonality among the longest lived people was the majority of them belong to a faith-based community.
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  SPEAKER_00: So not and not only did they belong to a faith-based community, they made a point to say that they showed up and they engaged in the community, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They were active members of that community.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is true for both my grandparents, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They both went to church um at you know at least once a week and they engaged in church activities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my grandma would take us to church after school and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So faith was definitely an integral part um of you know of their lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Was it true for your mom and Teresa's?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh grandma was faithful uh at at church attendance, and she had her little tithe box on the mantle, and and mom, you know, mom uh wrote to missionaries and she was very engaged in the local church as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: That yeah, they were both uh women of uh of great faith and engagement uh in that perspective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so so far then we are agreeing with the outcome of this documentary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very much so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very much so.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we'll now let's let's see as we keep moving forward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do we disagree or are we challenging?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the next commonality amongst the blue zones is they moved naturally.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I thought this was interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was common sense, but it was kind of like, you know, all of a sudden someone said it a little bit differently and it clicked a different way in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the the people who are living the longest, they're not exercising like we do for the most part in the United States, where we're like, oh, I'm gonna go to the gym or I'm gonna go lift weights or I'm gonna go out for a run.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they did not do things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't carve out these specific times to go exercise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead, they moved naturally throughout the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they moved more than we do, and it was spread out throughout the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for instance, they would walk to work or ride their bike to work, they would walk to church, they would walk to friends' houses, um, you know, to various people who they would visit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, they said that most of them didn't have machines to help them with housework or yard work.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like the centenarian I mentioned, who would cut the grass with a machete, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They would chop wood, they would um grow their own food.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they were outside gardening, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Which also gives them access to more sunlight, but that's another topic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, they would prepare their food differently than we do as well, which is also requiring movement.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they might mill the corn with a crank, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Manually crank it instead of plugging in the mill, you know, to the power outlet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so they were more, they they were assessed, the researchers assessed that they were more active than we are, and they were much more active than if they were, say, going to the gym.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also it was their concept of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in America, we typically think of suffering when we think of exercise, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like no, you hear the terms no pain, no gain, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You just push through it, and so it's like a miserable thing that we have on our to-do list that we don't look forward to.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for them, physical activity was actually joyful, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the Marines, the Marines have a saying, uh uh pain is weakness leaving the body, you know, that's their that that's their thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, uh I man, I I love this, uh Cena, because um what it what it means is being a couch potato, but then then getting up, getting up and going to do your half hour workout at the gym is not nearly as good as just a lifestyle of a lifestyle of movement where you're just naturally um uh moving because it's part of your you know it's it's part of your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this ties into the community aspect because one of the ways that people in these blue zones are moving naturally is through dance and celebration.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this this blends in a few categories.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what they were saying was that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So is it is this an is this a new category?
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is gonna this is gonna encompass three categories natural movement, community, and um how they de-stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what they said was these people who are living the longest, they experience stress, you know, just like we're experiencing stress, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're not you can't avoid stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: And stress by itself is not a bad thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It gets a bad rap in our culture, but it is not a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stress um is required to help you adapt to grow to build your resilience, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like when we think of moving our bodies around, well, the typical example of exercise that's providing a stress on your body.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even dance, dance is providing a stress on your body so you adapt and get stronger, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So stress by itself isn't a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's actually how you handle the stress, how you can manage the stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so this is one of the differences between us and these people who live long longer than us is that their stress is more of local stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for instance, if somebody is having a um a problem with hurting their flock, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: A problem came up, they're stressed about it, and but they're able to uh remedy the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they solve it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what happens is they complete that stress cycle within their body, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Stress elicits the cycle.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about this before on the program with um rewiring your nervous system, how most of us go into fight or flight, we can't complete the cycle and then to get back into parasympathetic state and we stay in this activated heightened state of stress, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So they don't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have these localized problems that they're managing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And once they complete, um successfully complete the problem, like solve the problem, they let the stress go.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's different than our stress, where they're saying a lot of ours comes from this 24-hour news cycle and this bombardment with social media, which these are all these all have a heaviness or negativity to them, or at least a leaning towards negativity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those are all things that we can't solve by ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're exposing ourselves to all these problems that we don't really have control over.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we can't complete that stress response cycle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whereas these people who are living longer, they're deplugged for the most part from all of these more external stresses.
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  SPEAKER_00: They handle the ones that are right in front of them, they complete them, and they have that sense of accomplishment and they can let the stress go.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is very different than what we do in our culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, and it and it's uh it's totally parallel with Stephen Covey's uh seven habits of highly effective people, which is of course an iconic, you know, uh business self-improvement book.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and and one of his one of the habits is stay within your sphere of influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And his whole point there is when you when you go outside your sphere of influence and take on burden burdens and and uh whatever, stress of things that you can't do anything about, um you you end up you end up actually shrinking your sphere of influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you and so if you think about the things that people uh whatever uh uh get angry, frustrated, or or stressed about today, 90% of it is stuff that that you can't do anything about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, people come to me and say, Aren't aren't you stressed?
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  SPEAKER_01: About the the Federal Reserve, you know, the interest rates.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing in the world that I can do tomorrow that'll affect Janet Yellen, you know, and what she's doing at the Federal Reserve.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, so um, but you know what?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: I can I can really affect uh whether my cows are healthy, whether my you know garden has tomato plants in it.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and so um, yeah, I man, I I share this.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know, I don't know if I'm gonna live long or not, but uh I I certainly appreciate and in my own life just the the the the the the living the living close and in the moment uh and not carrying not carrying the the weight and the burden of all these things that are outside of our control.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that's a you know that's a that's a that's a wonderful uh a wonderful point.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you know, as I'm thinking about it, my grandparents lived this way too.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: So for instance, my grandmother, uh she was, she had a community, and if there were problems that came up in that local community, like let's say somebody got sick, you know, somebody had to go have an operation or something, then they mobilized to do something about it, right?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't sit back and feel powerless.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: They maybe started a meal train and brought meals to the to that person, wrote cards of them, took turns visiting them in the hospital, whatnot.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so there was a stress of somebody got sick, but then they were able to do things to actually try to remedy it to help themselves at least feel like they were doing something about it, you know, and and that's the benefit too of having that local community.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um if you'll yeah, if you'll remember back when uh COVID was going on, and um and I and I had my, you know, what if Dr.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci would step to the microphone and say, you know, I kind of had my eight, my eight things I wish he would say, you know, uh let's do this for a month and see and see what happens.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um and if you'll recall, one of one of one of my I think eight uh things that I had there was um if you watch one hour of news, watch two hours of comedy to detox.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you you have to balance this out.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and when all you're getting is these, you know, children in Gaza and the corpses in Ukraine, and and I mean it's you know, the the human psyche, the human psyche was not was not designed to shoulder the burden uh uh of that.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean think think of back just uh uh 200 years ago, how little the person knew about what was going on on the other side of the world in real time.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even a even a volcano could happen and wipe out a you know, wipe out a whole island, and you didn't even know about it, you know, 200 years ago.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so this this this this um perpetual news cycle and and global uh global burden on us is um yeah, it's it's got it's gotta affect us.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it does.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and they're well that's what they're saying, that in in this uh documentary, they are saying this does affect you uh because you're not able to manage that stress well.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can't decompress well from that.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I love the way that you said decompress because that's one of the next qualities is that these people who live the longest, they have a daily ritual to help them decompress.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where movement's gonna come back into play, okay?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things they do to decompress is dance.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: So they'll get together in community.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: This could be with family, it's often with family and friends.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: They do this daily in some of these areas where they dance, they sing, they laugh, um, they they share delicious foods together, right?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And all of this helps them decompress.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, sometimes they might nap, right?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: They might do a siesta in the afternoon.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: After all their work is done, then they do a siesta.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them would attend happy hours, like down at the local pub.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some of them would do prayer, you know, particularly in Loma Linda, they would do prayer.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is they have not only are they having stresses that are localized that they can manage, right, and complete successfully, but then every day they have a practice to decompress, you know, and that's totally different than what we do, at least in my opinion.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's different than what my family does and what the other families do that I know of.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we don't we might have like a daily morning practice, right?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's become a really big thing in the health community, is you've got to start your day right, have a morning practice, meaning like don't get on your electronics, your blue screens first thing in the morning.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like do something in nature or ground yourself or you know, something, read your scripture, do something, um, other than plugging right into that, you know, that burden.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but now they are doing something also in the evening to unwind, which that's this is the biggest part that I am taking away and implementing with my family is we are now intentionally creating these daily um afternoon, evening rituals for how we can decompress.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And at all ages, you know, we have as young as a three-year-old and then as old as me in the family.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we're we're coming up with all these, even if it's just something simple, like I like to dance in the kitchen, so I'll turn on the music and I'll just start dancing around singing, and like my three-year-old will join me.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't have to be this elaborate ritual that you do, but just something to help you decompress.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it could just be, you know, listening to a to a favorite piece of music.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: It could be so um, yeah, yeah, it sounds to me like um like uh like potlucks, potlucks are in vogue here.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I started getting that and and and I would suggest I would suggest that the family eating together around the table uh is a you know is certainly a an end-of-day ritual uh that would be that that would that would be um whatever consistent with this with this idea.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly right.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so that goes into food.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: And this other one other thing I wanted to mention was uh that's that I feel is different than what we have prioritized in our culture.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: They said in every single blue zone, okay, every single one of them.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: This was a commonality, they did not choose extra work over spending time with family or having their downtime.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: They did not choose to do the extra work.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is so different than like the way I was raised and all the people I know, where you even hear the terms where burning the midnight oil, right?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, trying like to get ahead.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're like burning it at both ends.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what I mean?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: This we have this concept, this notion that that's success.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: You keep striving, right?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: You keep, it's never enough, right?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like your to-do list.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: We all have these to-do lists, and you know what I figured out?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I get this dopamine hit when I check something off the to-do list, right?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's this momentary, like, yeah, I get it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: But then more stuff comes on the list.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: So then it's like, oh, wait, I checked it off.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm ahead.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Instantly something's now more on my list.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm behind.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's this vicious cycle that like mental, it's like this mental torture that I put myself through.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like that, you can't break that cycle as long as you have that to-do list.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not saying get rid of the to-do list because obviously we all have things to do in our daily lives.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: But my takeaway from this, uh, this was my second big takeaway was where am I prioritizing and spending my time intentionally?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: So so there are things that we do need to do, right?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like to earn income or whatever, like pay your taxes, like, you know, so there's things you have to do, but we also put a lot of things on our plate where we set arbitrary deadlines for ourselves, for instance.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Donnie was on the show talking about this, like, why do I have to mow the lawn every seven days?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't I do it every eight or nine days?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we've really gone through our schedule and we're looking at the things that we have to do so that we can make room for the fun things on the calendar so that we can stop ourselves from choosing more work over relationship.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so for me, this was a big takeaway is stop striving, right?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Striving to quote unquote get ahead when I'm never going to be ahead as long as I have these lists.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So stop striving for something that's dangling off in the future that's kind of a facade, and instead live in the moment.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that is such a such a cultural, uh cultural thing now with our consumerist, materialistic, celebrity-oriented, fashion-centered culture.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I have to have I have to have this brand on my backpack.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have to have this brand on my dress, my jeans, my pocketbook, and and so and and and those are always uh more expensive than what's down at the thrift store.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so now you have to work harder to earn more money to afford to be um accepted.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And um and yeah, that's a that that's a big one.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now I've been taking notes here.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: I've got eight.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Is there one more?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, they had so you had the right, you had to find the right community, what they call the right tribe, right?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, and this is different than the faith-based community.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta have the right tribe, and then the other one is they put their loved ones first.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: So they are committed to a life partner and they invest in their family and their friends and their loved ones.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, and that that goes into that category I was explaining where they don't choose more work, right?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: They get done with their allotted work and then they go off and have their siesta or their nap, you know, that time, or their family time, their party time.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so they're invested in a life partner.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, they haven't had four marriages.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they commit, you know, yeah, unless someone die, like there was a widow, and then they know what I mean.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and then the and then the final like my mom, my mom, you know, my uh my dad died at 66.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so mom has been 34 years, you know, 34 years uh without him, uh a widow, but but but she still she still wears her wedding ring and and acts as if she's you know, acts as if she's married.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's how that's how committed, um, how loyal she was.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: And my grandmother did the same thing.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my grandpa passed away when I was in high school, and she never remarried, and she always just stayed committed and wore that ring and everything.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it's remarkable that they, you know, so another commonality within you know the people we know who lived almost to be 100 or 200, um, the last category is food.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I save this one to the end.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know we're almost out of time, but um, I want to just touch base if I could on a couple things.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um for food, now they made some conclusions on food, and then based on what they were showing us, right?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because you only can see what they show you, all right?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: So so I I don't know the agenda here, but um based on what they showed, I I disagree with them a little bit based on the conclusion, okay?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: But did they did they say one of the secrets was to eat um eat eat a Snickers bar once a week?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, but they were really um kind of harsh on meats.
• 33:47
  unknown: Come on.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but here, okay, so here's here's some commonalities amongst food, and all of these I agreed with, um, except one category.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: So the majority of their food did include whole foods, you know, that were plant-based, including herbs.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: They their food, they they perceived it as delicious.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: They enjoyed eating, right?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So different than when we're trying to live well, and we we go on all these diets and we think of all like we're restricting ourselves and we're deprived, right?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Such a different perception and mentality.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, another category for food was they ate less calories.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't eat until they were over full.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: They ate with family, which is what you were talking about.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, sit around the table and have the meal together.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: They expressed gratitude before a meal, right?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can pray before a meal.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: We do this in our house.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: We go around and we say things we're grateful for.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: They ate slowly.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't have like mindless overeating, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because they would converse over their meal, right?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: They had a lively, light-hearted discussion.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't sitting there debating politics or, you know, debating religions.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were feasting together, having fun, laughing, um, being joyful, which helps you.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: We know this is true.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: This helps you secrete more digestive enzymes, more acid, for instance.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it helps you digest that meal.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: They had um wine.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: All of the people except the um Adventists had um had wine.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So people um in the blue zones, except over there in Loma Linda, they drank wine moderately and regularly, they said.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: They had about one to two glasses of wine with friends, um, with or without food.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Much of this was local wine, right?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they grew the grapes themselves, they processed it themselves, right?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a difference there as well.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: But they did have the wine, and then they said that they ate a lot of beans and greens, and they said that most of these places ate very little uh meat and they ate a lot of carbs.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I'll just say you can watch the documentary for yourself.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: But when they were saying that they ate a lot of carbs, they showed these people um with like a pasta dish, for instance, with tons of vegetables in it.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they um they they would ferment the wheat, right?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: They would have the sourdough, right?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it was fermented, just like we've talked about on this program.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't the industrialized store-bought wheat that they were eating.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: But what they also did was you saw them right before they serve it, pour all of this olive oil all over the top of it.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, dude, that's not a high high carbohydrate meal anymore.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like you've just jumped on its fat on it, you know?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyhow, anyhow, I would tread lightly with the macronutrient distribution um that they're supporting.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Also, because we we know we've talked about this on this program, one size doesn't fit all when it comes to diet.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with all these other categories.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you want to eat as much whole food as you possibly can.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Homegrown is the best, like a lot of them are doing.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: But check this out both my grandparents, both of them, every almost every single breakfast they ate was eggs and bacon.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: So eggs and bacon, almost every single breakfast.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't worry about it.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: They had meat for dinner.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, my grandfather um drank a glass of wine every single night.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he said to me at the time, it was his secret for living well, like living, you know, to almost a hundred.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: He he literally verbalized that to me.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: So the wine one, I you know, I guess I can agree with that one, you know, if it's a if it's a good wine, if it's helping you do stress, you know, like go for it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Jesus drank wine, right?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Paul and Paul told Timothy, uh, take a little bit of wine for your stomach.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so so when I'm, you know, um now, you know, I so no, that's one thing that my my mom, I can tell you, has never a drop of wine has ever crossed her lips.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can guarantee you, uh, as well as Teresa's grandmother.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, very, you know, very conservative teetotalers.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they would have been, you know, part of the women's temperance union, you know, back in the day, uh, in prohibition.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but my mom grew up, uh, her her dad was an alcoholic.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and he he left he left them, you know, very, very young.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: And my grandmother had these two little girls to raise by herself.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so uh very early on, mom had uh mom hated and still does, uh, just alcohol.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned alcohol, she just, you know, she just can't and because she, you know, had this alcoholic father that abandoned her, you know, when she was a little girl.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, so she grew up without that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: But um, so so so I grew up like that in our house, but now that I'm traveling and doing a lot, you know, a lot of times I get in a position where people, you know, give me wine, and you're almost, you're almost uh a not a courteous guest if you say no.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hey, I've got this 25-year-old, you know, special I've been saving for you to come.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't you can't just sit there and say, no, I I'm not, I'm not having anything.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: So when I do that, when I do that, I I I just count it up too.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I just I just uh I just had my wormer, my wormer for the day, and uh, you know, that helps me, that helps me to clean out.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, yeah, that well that that's a great list.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're out of time, Cena, but what a what a wonderful uh a wonderful list.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And boy, if if you could um you know the purpose, the perception of life, faith, um, natural movement, a lifestyle, a lifestyle that's conducive to natural movement throughout the day, uh, cultivating community and friends, um, uh, a de stress, you know, a de-stress mechanism and and uh a daily ritual, the decompressed, um, you know, choose not you know choose choosing relationships over that extra dollar, uh, and then and then eating unprocessed and you know, real local food, um, you know, authentic, we would say authentic uh food.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, these are these are things that you know intuitively we understand, but when you get them all together in a list like that, it I I think it really helps you to uh you you can you can now have a package.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: You you you you know you you've got a a longevity package that you can yeah, a recipe for longevity.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's what we're that's what we're looking at here.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Can I quickly, I know we're at time.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Can I just share one quick story because it's related to this?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I would I would encourage everybody to go look at these centenarians, right?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll watch watch a video of them because it's inspiring to watch them move, you know, like you will be inspired and encouraged.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to share this real fast.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, about 20 years ago, I went to a conference over, I think it was in Boston, and it was called Living Well to 100.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: This was over 20 years ago.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: At the time, I was the company I worked for flew me to all different types of scientific conferences.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: This one was different than any other conference I'd ever been to because most are like, oh, we're gonna study this gene, or we're gonna study this biochemical pathway, you know, it's very much in the weeds.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: This one was different.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was scientists from all different types of disciplines coming together with pieces of the puzzle to figure out how we can live well to 100.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I was amazed because this was like a dream come true for me, right?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I always envisioned science would be like, this great collaboration amongst the fields.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: But then something happened.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: One of the presenters shared some data that he had just gotten from his lab, where they fed people omega-3 fatty acid supplements, and then they took blood draws and they were going to try to measure the triglycerides in the blood.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: And now you would expect that if you give somebody omega-3 fatty acid, the triglycerides would decrease, right?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we're told, and that's how it's marketed.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's not actually what happened.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: In their study, the triglycerides decreased in one third of the people.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: In another third of the people, triglycerides stayed the same.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the last third group of people, the triglycerides actually increased when they gave them the omega-3 supplement.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I walked away with two takeaways here.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: One size fits all never fits all for diet, right?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: There is no one size fits all for diet.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm saying.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Take all these with a grain of salt when we're telling you the summation of this blue zone study.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: But number two, that conference fell apart as soon as he presented that data.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because built all the way up to it, it wasn't any controversial data that was being presented.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: And everyone's like, oh, yeah, makes sense, makes sense.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as this scientist had the courage to stand up and say, hey, there's something wrong here.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: We can't make these generalizations, right?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he was kind about it, people attacked him.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's gotta be wrong.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: You're, you know, you measured that wrong, or you have to check your statistics, you know.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's been confirmed since then, right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I I walked away and I was like, oh my gosh, like the we're not gonna get the answers from the institutions, right?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: They all have funding and whatnot.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: So this ties back to um there is no one answer and tap into your intuition, right?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like we keep saying on on this program.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and now we have the cooking program to help you do that on our platform.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: So yay.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's wonderful.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Zina.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the wrap up and thanks for the just the reminder here at the end that um that that there aren't there aren't magic bullets.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um there there is there is magic, but it's not a bullet.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe maybe we could uh agree on that.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, super.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you all for for joining us to another Beyond Labels podcast.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we're we're glad you joined us.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Tell your friends, and uh we'll look forward to seeing you again next week.