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What sex trafficking taught me about men! | Maintaining Frame 139 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame number one thirty nine. What's sex trafficking taught Me
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  Speaker 1: about men? Where we're going to be looking at a
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  Speaker 1: video from someone named Seizure Girl entitled what I learned
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  Speaker 1: about Men, Love and Loneliness while being sex trafficked. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: seizure Girl is a victim of self of sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: Was itself sex traffic?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I didn't go. I looked at her
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  Speaker 1: channel really quick, and.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like her.
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  Speaker 1: She I guess she has an experience with being used
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  Speaker 1: as a prostitute. I don't know if this was a
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  Speaker 1: choice that she made or she was forced to do
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  Speaker 1: it or coerced into it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. She does appear to be very remorseful
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  Speaker 3: of out.
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  Speaker 1: That part of her life, and she has recently come
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  Speaker 1: out very strongly against the sex industry, the text industry,
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  Speaker 1: the foreign industry, you know, and how she basically says
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  Speaker 1: it damages men, women, it's criminal, and all this other
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  Speaker 1: stuff too.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 3: She does include men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of her stuff is relatively sympathetic to men.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess like we're gonna be looking at that what.
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  Speaker 2: We shouldn't go in guns blazing, that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean I have I watched the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: while I was doing other things, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's a relatively sympathetic position, a bit kind of a
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  Speaker 1: normy position though, you know, so I would say like sympathetic,
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  Speaker 1: but also a bit of you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff that she said with regardless of what she
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  Speaker 1: thinks about it is stuff that is not really no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no it's not. It's sympathetic, but it's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like, WHOA, what a revelation. It's just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sure you would say that. And I'm not upset about that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that there was anything really condemning. But
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  Speaker 1: we could find out was this a request by someone?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a request. So we have to thank
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  Speaker 2: Kron Strong, who has now made two requests and this
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  Speaker 2: is the one that I guess he settled on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was this was a request for us to respond to.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, I guess it's it's good. It's good to
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  Speaker 2: just get a feeler on you know, the guest stalt
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  Speaker 2: not just what we directly opposed, but maybe more in
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  Speaker 2: the shallower end of the pool and find out the
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  Speaker 2: norm more normy leaning individuals think so yeah, so well,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully we will uh, we'll get some insight from this.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to point out that the headline itself,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not the content is inflammatory, the headline itself
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  Speaker 2: is the same course kind of logic as saying something
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  Speaker 2: like what I learned about women from my stepmom who
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  Speaker 2: sexually abused me, or what I learned from lesbians from
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  Speaker 2: my mothers who kept me and my brother in a cage.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like this is in any with any other group,
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  Speaker 2: we would not accept this logic, is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but let's go Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like the like I said, like, this is
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  Speaker 1: just her perspective, and I think that, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: just not like I don't know, the greater the greatest
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  Speaker 1: title because she she she uh kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: babbles quite a bit. So it's like she has like
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  Speaker 1: a framework of things she wants to say, and then
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  Speaker 1: she gets emotional and then loses track and then has
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  Speaker 1: to like find her way back.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like listening to a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like listening to a woman. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it is. All right, Well, anyway, let's give this a listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: So let's let's give this a listen. And oh the adds.
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  Speaker 3: I have this certain yeah I do.
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  Speaker 4: I really want to make this clear before I do
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  Speaker 4: this video. I have judged myself harder than anybody else,
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  Speaker 4: any of you people in the comment section that might
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  Speaker 4: say whatever can judge me?
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  Speaker 5: I have. I have penned my most harsh critic.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing that anybody can say that I haven't said
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  Speaker 4: to myself.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing that anybody can say.
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  Speaker 4: That I haven't thought, even when it comes to just
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  Speaker 4: the most brutal things.
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  Speaker 5: In reality, we are our own we.
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  Speaker 4: Are our own worst enemy sometimes and our own worst judge, judger.
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  Speaker 4: And this is this is a video I really feel
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  Speaker 4: like I need to do.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm just pausing for the banana. It's like
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  Speaker 1: setting everything up and again I'm I am. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it's like to be through whatever she went through,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know the extent of it, because like
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking sounds really like serious. But I have seen
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  Speaker 1: that term use very loosely to describe like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: oh I somebody convinced me to start an OnlyFans account.
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  Speaker 3: I'm I was sex trafficked.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if do you guys know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I don't know that when she could
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  Speaker 1: it could be like what people think of is that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she got thrown into like a trailer car
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  Speaker 1: and like was put on a boat and shipped to
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  Speaker 1: some other country to like meet up with like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, like Russian mafia, and then she was like
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  Speaker 1: separated from her family for months. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: for sure if that's like the definition of sex trafficking
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  Speaker 1: that we're looking at, But I'm gonna i, based on
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  Speaker 1: what I've seen the video, I'll give her the benefit
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  Speaker 1: of the doubt and at least say, well, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: to some degree traumatic, which is why she's opening up
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  Speaker 1: by saying, look, you know, I've been hard on myself
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  Speaker 1: about this.
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  Speaker 3: Before she gets into this dialogue, you know what I'm saying, Well,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing? Yeah, I'm trying to fidgeting.
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  Speaker 2: that that? That just got a lot better, didn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I did. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: our various websites.
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  Speaker 3: That's that sounds like it's going to be temporary at best.
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  Speaker 2: Before the before the creature return then yeah.
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  Speaker 3: To like do more damage, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, because a lot of people who have been
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  Speaker 4: in this industry or who have been trafficked, which I
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  Speaker 4: was trafficked when I was just about to turn nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of people want to talk about the
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  Speaker 4: trauma side of it, and I totally respect that, but
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk about what I learned from men.
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  Speaker 5: I learned a lot, and actually I learned a Look.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just uh, you know what else is traffic
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  Speaker 2: So for example, a man in the US, and he
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  Speaker 2: actually ended up being charged, convicted, and I think ended
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  Speaker 2: up serving time for trafficking. He actually assisted I think
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  Speaker 2: it was two women because they wanted a ride across
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  Speaker 2: state borders to get to I don't know their home
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and he thought he was helping them out.
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  Speaker 2: Turns out they were prostitutes and by giving them a ride.
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  Speaker 3: He was trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: Trafficking.
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  Speaker 3: Hen like what I said, the liberal use of the term.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that the word sex trafficking sounds really scary, but
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  Speaker 2: the actual actions that encompasses are often banal and innocuous.
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  Speaker 2: If you accidentally give a ride to a prostitute who
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  Speaker 2: happens to be a hitchhiker, you could be a sex trafficker. Right,
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  Speaker 2: This is this is how it works, and it's I
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  Speaker 2: believe it's a strict liability crime. So whether or not
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's a prostitute, doesn't matter. You know, your
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  Speaker 2: sister decides to open an only fans with a little
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  Speaker 2: extra service and then you give her a ride over
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  Speaker 2: into the States or whatever. You are a sex trafficker,
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  Speaker 2: even though if she didn't tell you, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and uh so that's uh. When people say, oh, sex trafficking,
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  Speaker 2: remember remind yourself that, just like grape, it has grown
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  Speaker 2: to encompass a lot of things that most people wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: consider grape, like ghosting someone after flirty text conversations. Most
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  Speaker 2: people would consider that to be, you know, not nice,
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  Speaker 2: but within the realm of behavior that is somewhat acceptable.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently now it is grape worthy of completely revoking
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  Speaker 2: a person's participation in their career and community. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 5: So let's keep going, yeah, yeah, okay, and not all bad.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to make that clear.
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  Speaker 3: Reference to men.
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  Speaker 1: She's saying, it's not all bad, right, because you would
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  Speaker 1: imagine and again, I gotta I gotta establish some context here.
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  Speaker 1: If she was, if if it's true that she was
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficked or uses a prostitute or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: then she probably ran into like a certain type of man.
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  Speaker 1: So there was like, you know, if there's negative experiences,
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  Speaker 1: it might be because of the circles she was in,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So I think that she's trying to be
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  Speaker 1: careful about uh. And I'm kind of gonna take her
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  Speaker 1: side on some of this stuff because I think that
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  Speaker 1: she's trying to work through something like having bad experiences
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  Speaker 1: with men with men and then coming out saying this
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  Speaker 1: is like obviously not all men. I think that's like
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  Speaker 1: there are women who literally might have one bad breakup
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  Speaker 1: with a guy and they will just say that all
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  Speaker 1: of men are are trash. Now and this person who
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  Speaker 1: probably experienced maybe some of what the some of the
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  Speaker 1: worst behavior in men, is still like being.
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  Speaker 3: Gracious to some degree, right, So I.
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  Speaker 1: Think that's kind of amazing, like honestly, but okay, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm let's give it the benefit of the doubt
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  Speaker 1: for now.
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  Speaker 4: Is very different than I think some other people's. I
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  Speaker 4: am not saying that. I want to make this clear
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  Speaker 4: real quick, that almost every single one of those men
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  Speaker 4: had no clue that I was being trafficked, that there
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  Speaker 4: was a pimp or somebody helping to like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there was somebody else behind the scene.
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  Speaker 5: They have no clue what.
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  Speaker 2: What what was the pimp helping? Did you having listened.
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  Speaker 3: To like the facilitator?
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think she goes into it too
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  Speaker 1: much in this video, but she has a channel and
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like, I didn't get a chance to
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  Speaker 1: watch much more. I just say one where she it
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  Speaker 1: was called it was most recent and it's called exposing,
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  Speaker 1: And I thought maybe she was gonna fare something, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because it was the most recent one, But it was
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  Speaker 1: just her and I haven't finished that one yet. It's
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  Speaker 1: basically just her talking about the porn industry and how
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  Speaker 1: it exploits men and women.
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  Speaker 3: And when they bring you.
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  Speaker 2: Bring up the term pimp, it's sort of like this
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  Speaker 2: word that instantly means female victimization. But how many prostitutes
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  Speaker 2: and pimps actually work in almost a criminal enterprise where
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  Speaker 2: they extort their clients or engage in violence. Sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like so it's I think it needs a bit
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  Speaker 2: more clarification. You say it. She might clarify on other.
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  Speaker 3: Videos, but yeah, I mean she might.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like she she's but what she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to do here, I think is say that the
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  Speaker 1: men who be you know, I guess slept with did
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  Speaker 1: not know that she was being trafficked. So she is
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  Speaker 1: at least making it known to some degree that they,
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  Speaker 1: the men that paid for her services, were under the
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  Speaker 1: impression that she was not being trafficked, or maybe that
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  Speaker 1: she was acting independently and did not have a pimp
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But she is trying to say that I think, so, okay,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the things that were being posted, it was
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  Speaker 4: actually a guy putting all that stuff on there.
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  Speaker 5: They had no clue. So I just want to make
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  Speaker 5: that clear before I do this.
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  Speaker 4: This is not a normal video that I have seen,
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  Speaker 4: so I thought it's something that I've really been trying
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  Speaker 4: to like grasp at for a really long time, for
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  Speaker 4: many years. I've been out of this for seven years
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  Speaker 4: and got out seven years ago.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm going to.
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  Speaker 4: Start by just putting that out there. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: feel very nervous. My heart is racing, is pounding right now.
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  Speaker 4: I feel nervous talking about this, and I hope that
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  Speaker 4: people understand where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 4: judge any anybody here. I'm just trying to express my perception.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a quote that I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Just pausing it there for a minute. She also is like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she's a fan of Jordan Peterson. Just just gives you
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  Speaker 1: an idea of where she's like where she's headed.
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  Speaker 2: So well, in that case, clean your room, Yeah right.
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  Speaker 1: I know you have to clean out your the filter
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  Speaker 1: of your air conditioner over there, and well, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and yeah, replace those blinds.
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  Speaker 3: What's what's this? What's this over here? What's that? What's that?
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  Speaker 2: Did you criticism when you when you did this video?
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  Speaker 3: Did I expect? What did she did?
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  Speaker 2: She?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. And again I think she's kind
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  Speaker 3: of new to this.
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  Speaker 5: But okay, And it's life will break you.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody can protect you from that, and living a alone
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  Speaker 4: won't either, for solitude will also break you with its yearning.
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  Speaker 4: But you have to love, you have to feel it
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  Speaker 4: is the reason you are on the earth, on this earth.
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  Speaker 4: So I didn't choose to be trafficked, And for a
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  Speaker 4: long time I thought the only thing I take from
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  Speaker 4: that experience was going to be pain. But over time
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  Speaker 4: I realized that I learned more than just the trauma
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  Speaker 4: part of it. I learned about people. I learned a
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  Speaker 4: lot about men and women and myself, how we all
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  Speaker 4: search for connection even when we don't know how.
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  Speaker 2: You learned about people who are part of that community. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe there's applicability to the greater world, but
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  Speaker 2: just be careful with that.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's what I said. I mean that world that
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  Speaker 3: she was in.
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  Speaker 1: But I think even then, that's what's interesting, is the
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  Speaker 1: stuff she's going to say because even in that it's like,
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  Speaker 1: think of it, it's like a filter. Right, you have,
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  Speaker 1: like all the men, let's just go with men for this,
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of this. You have all the men
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  Speaker 1: on earth, and then you have all the men in
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  Speaker 1: the area where you're working. And then you have the
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  Speaker 1: men which is a subcategory within a subcategory, the men
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  Speaker 1: that would be willing or desire to pay for your services.
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  Speaker 1: So like most men probably wouldn't. I mean not even
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  Speaker 1: because like even men who are struggling with relationships or
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  Speaker 1: struggling with women, I think most of even most of
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  Speaker 1: those men wouldn't pay for you know, like sexual gratification
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  Speaker 1: with prostitution, right, even those men would probably just go
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  Speaker 1: to you know, corn hub or something. So you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at a small percentage within a smaller percentage, and I
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  Speaker 1: think she I don't know if she knows that. I
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  Speaker 1: think she does, but maybe you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna just to speak.
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  Speaker 2: To that, like the Irish a video, because this particular
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  Speaker 2: video has been sort of making the works, or this
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  Speaker 2: particular story the seventy thousand men who were part of
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  Speaker 2: some grape and site. And first of all, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, how many of those men who were
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  Speaker 2: part of this site were active users? In other words,
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  Speaker 2: they actively engaged in the site. How many of them
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  Speaker 2: were engaging in any kind of crime? Right, so presumably
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  Speaker 2: some convictions will result from that if they were. And
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  Speaker 2: so even if we take the worst case scenario, and
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  Speaker 2: this is the analysis, it goes to your point eventually,
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  Speaker 2: even if we take the worst case scenario and all
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  Speaker 2: seventy thousand of those men were active and they were
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  Speaker 2: actively abusing women in their lives, that is, let me
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  Speaker 2: try to remember the decimal points. I think zero zero,
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  Speaker 2: zero zero one percent of the male populations. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not even the whole male population of the earth. The
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  Speaker 2: male population that speaks English and likely has access to
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  Speaker 2: the internet. In New York, there would be a hundred
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  Speaker 2: men in the entire New York City. There would be
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  Speaker 2: one hundred men on that site. The likelihood that any
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  Speaker 2: woman would ever interact with one of those men is minimal,
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  Speaker 2: and that's worst case scenario. So it's like, it's just
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  Speaker 2: I think it speaks to what you're talking about is
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  Speaker 2: you've got to think about these things in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the greater world. How many of the men that you
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  Speaker 2: interact with are represent the average men? Probably, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I mean, maybe if you're in Middle America, quite
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  Speaker 2: a few of them. But if you're in if you
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  Speaker 2: are a sex traffic prostitute, probably not many. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's say, all right, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 4: I don't excuse what happened to me, but I can't
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: pretend I didn't see the men who paid to see me.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Now to who paid to see me not just for
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: what they did, but for who they were.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Some are broken, some were grieving, Some just wanted somebody
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: to lay next to feel human again. And for reasons
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I'm still figuring out. I've wanted to understand them. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: want to understand everything. I'm the type of person that
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: questions everything, why, Why why do people do this?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I am very fascinated by people and including my own decisions,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: but especially others.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: So she acknowledges that a lot of she doesn't.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Really give you know, whether it's most or whatever, but
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: she acknowledges that there is a significant number of men
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that just wanted female company and it wasn't even anything like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you know, sadistic or masochistic or anything like that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't, I don't. I'm not surprised
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: by that, but no, that is that is a I
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: would say that that sounds.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Like a very fair thing for her to say, because
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: even if she hated what she was doing, and she
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and I mean, like, I would guess that maybe at
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the time she didn't have a problem with it, because
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I think that it's sort of like the woman who
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: did one hundred.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Dudes in a day. They have like a moment of.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Regret and then they just kind of pushed through it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: because they just convinced themselves this is okay or this
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is normal.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And I think that she probably did that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, I sent her a message
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on her She doesn't have any social media links that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I could see, so I just put a comment on
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: her video and I said I'd like to add, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: do an interview with you if you want, so I would,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Talk to her, but we'll see.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because she's got twenty one thousand subs,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: so not massive, but.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: That she might also not want to talk to some deplorables.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That's true, But I mean I think I did it
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: under my count when I so if he looks at
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: my account, she's gonna see video games. But she might
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: look because I've mentioned our channel, so she might look
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: at it. I don't know, maybe maybe not, but uh, yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I think we should. That's why I'm giving her the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: benefit of that, because I don't most women don't say that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: No, no, they don't.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Even even prostitute women. They they're they generally have a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: very low opinion of men. Despite I to take their
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: money from them was a very part.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This is gonna end up being more of a positive stream,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: shall we say?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems that way. I mean, no, I don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: think there's much to argue with. Again, do you see
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: how she says, Oh, I'm the type of person that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: always asks questions, And this is what I mean by
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: normy takes. That's you know, a lot of people are
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like I'm just curious by nature.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, well, well we all are.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not a human being.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's this human nature. You're not special.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That's one of the basic starting stats for humans.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm again, I'm not I'm not uh poopooing any
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of that. I'm just saying there that, you know, it
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: is kind of normal stuff.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: So anyway, m hm.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I remember one there was one guy whose wife passed away,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and he really he didn't even want sex for me.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: He really just wanted somebody to watch a movie with,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to lay with, to talk, or to be in silence.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Well he remembered what it felt like to be close
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: to someone.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't have to bring that anecdote up.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: She's obviously wrote some stuff down, so she thought, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: want to mention this. I think that what she's trying
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to do is she's trying to change the way we
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: see like I don't know, like the it's almost like
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: she wants to change the perception of male sexuality in a.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Way because the well this is why.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So she's she wants to she wants to kill the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: porn industry and prostitution, like the sex trade or the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Right, So in.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: A video she makes about the porn industry, she says
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of sex trafficking that happens involving
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the porn industry, and I'm inclined to believe that that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: likely true, not all of it, but probably a lot
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of it. She also talks about OnlyFans being like a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: thing that exploits the men that use it as well
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: as the women. So she's staunchly anti you know, pornography
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think her reasons for it is
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that it is driving men and women further apart, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: she wants to repair the relationships between people. So I'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: taking that into account as part of the context for
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: what she is arguing for.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not I don't know if it's right or wrong, although.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I do think, like, if she's criticizing OnlyFans that that's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: interesting because I believe Only Fans is owned by a woman,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: so like I believe that it's.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Run by a woman.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there, that means that she's and she is
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: willing to criticize women as well, including herself.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, because we're starting to find out that they're the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: majority of genuine sex traffickers. Yeah, at least in certain
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: countries that it's women who are engaging in the kidnapping
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and movement of other women as for use as prostitutes. Yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: there are certain countries where that's the majority. And the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: only reason why we can't say it's probably the majority
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of all sex traffickers is because we don't have the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: stats from all countries. Mm hm. So it's it's like, yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of exploitation of women's sexual that women
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: engage in as well, and genuine exploitation, not just giving
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you don't know, as a prostitute a ride across state lines. Okay,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: let's uh. I just wanted to point it out.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's fine, let's go back to this.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: It reminded me of the movie Her, where Walking Phoenix
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: falls in love with an Ai, not because he's desperate,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: but because he's lonely, because.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Even though the connection isn't real, it feels real enough.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: That's the part I think most people don't understand is
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: that for some men, this wasn't just like about lust.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: It was about escaping the silence.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: And trying to find somebody that can maybe give you
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: comfort and trying to find the warmth and places that
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: left them colder than before. And that's not something that
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: normally we can find with society nowadays by just going out.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, because women are cunts.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like I'm sure she's not
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: dating any women, but I you know, there was a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I sent you a thing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: There was a video I watched.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I've been watching Alexander Grace more because even though he
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: was kind of this PUA guy, he's starting to really
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like dig deep into like the.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: He's yeah, he's he's getting like red pilled in in
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: a way.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's been watching these videos, you know, those
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: men on the street videos. There's one I should have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: looked for it, if we could have looked at it
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: really quick. But there's one man on the Street video
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: where this guy is asking the question of men and women,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: young young zoomer men and women if if they like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: what what do they think about their ex'es? Okay, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the majority of men. I let see all the men
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in that video, and of course, you know, they could
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: be edited to to send a certain message entire I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: understand that's entirely possible, but I'm just going with what
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: was said there, the men were all like, well, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: hope she's okay, and I hope that she finds somebody,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and I hope you know, they basically have like general
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: optimism that the women that they used to date have like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you know, found themselves a good man or otherwise happy,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and that they wish them well. But the women all
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like curse their exes and wanted them to like suffer
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and die and all kinds of stuff. Now there's you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I think that that is probably not shocking to most
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of you guys.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: But I think that there's another thing too.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: When home Math has talked about this, I think that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: when women are especially when they're around other women, they're
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: gonna they'll dog on their exes, just like when women
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: are who are married get together with other women, they'll
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: like dog on their husbands. I'm not saying they don't
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: believe that, but I think that they're more likely to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: bad mouth them and men I think that they have
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: more of a sense of like honor, And they were like, well,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, like even if I am bitter
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: or angry about the breakup or whatever, I'm not going
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to like take a shit on her on like the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Internet for everybody to see. So I'm just gonna say, hey, man,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: because you know, like I mean, men can't really get
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: away with that there, so I think women can.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Well, men can't get away with that because they're policed
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: by other men.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Every Men can't get away with something. It's generally because
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: other men police them. Like, you're not going to get
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: necessarily a positive response in a in your friend group
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: by saying, yeah, is a witch? I mean maybe now
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: because of just the family court shit, and there's a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: lot of that going around. But generally guys don't get
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of social credit for complaining about their female partners,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and if they do, it's usually it's something really egregious
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: or the family courts are involved. But you also sent
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a a study that actually confirms I mean, the man
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on the street or the women on the street interviews
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: are sort of anecdotal, but there's a study that confirms, yeah, sure,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that men tend to speak more favorably of their exes
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: than women do, and in fact, women blame their exes more.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, this particularly this group of scientists presented a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of potential explanations for why women rag on
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: their exes. Women blame their exes for the failures of
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: their relationships and men don't. And of course the big
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: one is because men are actually to blame, right of course.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's psychology today at the end of the day.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So they're gonna they're gonna find a way, like, well, they.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Must have all been narcissist, gas lighters and abusers. That's
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: clearly what it must be.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, because you know, it's definitely the normal people
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and not the narcissists who have trouble maintaining relationships. That's
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the funny thing. Like a lot of people with mental
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: health issues and personality disorders have trouble maintaining relationships and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: end them for frivolous reasons because they just want to,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: often brinksmanship games and then the person has just had it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: But whatever. So I mean the fact that men, they
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: turn the fact that men view their partners more favorably
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and likely wish well for them into a negative about men.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And I mean, we probably should go through this on
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: another day because it's but it's a good topic. It's
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's a really good topic.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I'll come back to this.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That video as well, the man on the Street video,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'll try to find it. I can get the Alexander
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: brace or he reacts to it, but I yeah, it's.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Reacting.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like I'd rather find the original too, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to look.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: For it to do a meta reaction of alex Grace's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: reaction to the man on or the woman, because because
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it's it's a layer of of interpretation, because he is
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a pickup artist waking up himself right to the nature
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: of what men are seeing in the world I'm dealing with,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: like the Okay, okay, go back, I'll scretch you over there,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: give you scretches, all right. I think we've achieved some
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: kind of equilibrium to.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Play more of this video.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, oh my god, go over here. All right, Yes,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: we're good. Let's let's watch more of the video.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: All right, there's only out there. Okay, So she goes
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: into AI a little later. I don't think that's really again,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that's sort of like cheek rambles. But we're gonna go
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: until about eight minutes. So there's three more minutes of this,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and I think that's like we can go into the like, well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: we'll see how how that goes, so here we go.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Times you can, but I don't know. People are different.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not here to judge, but I'm not really here
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to judge. Not every man I met.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Was like that, though some were.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Addicts, not to substances or alcohol, but to the chase,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the high of the transaction. I wasn't a person to them.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I was just part of the loop. It felt like shame.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: The movie where Michael fens Fossbenders character can't stop seeking
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: out sex even when it leaves him feeling emptier each time.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: That kind of addiction.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So when she says addicts, she means sex addicts. Right, Okay,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: coom brained women are also coomb brained. They can be
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: coom brained as well, But she probably didn't have a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: lot of female callers.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I just point something out interesting. She's talking about two extremes,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the extreme of wanting to be able to be vulnerable
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: without judge, and then the extreme of wanting not to
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: have to regard your partners needs and simply use them
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: as a means to your own end. And it's interesting
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that it's these two extremes because it really speaks to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: what men are expected to be in their relationships. They
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: are expected not to be vulnerable, and they are expected
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to put their partners sort of needs before their own sexually. Yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: because they are responsible and you can't get away from No,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: do don't, don't, don't okay, all right, dude, don't dump
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: things off my desk, don't touch that, oh god, all right, okay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Difficulties doesn't care about faces. It only cares about the cycle.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I also, I saw, and I saw it men who
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: thought that they were in control, but they were drowning
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: in it, coming back again and again hoping it would
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: feel something inside of them that just kept growing. They
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: became addicted to that lifestyle is weird.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: But it happens. Then there were the ones who didn't
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: belong there.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Attractive, charming, the kind of man that you would think
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: could pick up any girl in a bar, the one
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: that you.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Were just like, why are you here? Why are you
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: paying me?
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: And the craziest thing is one guy I'll never forget.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I asked him, and he just said that he's tired
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: of the games.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: He was tired of.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Going out on and taking women out on dates and
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: spending two hundred dollars on food and drinks and just
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: to be ghosted. Or to find out that the girl
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: had a boyfriend, or to find out you know, there's
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: all these games involved.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: He would just got sick and tired of it. He
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: became he became bitter for sure.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And so so let's look at what she is just
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: these categories, right, So Alson, you mentioned the extremes. Then
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: she she also mentioned these men who she said were
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: genuinely attractive and she was worrying what they were doing there.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I think that that suggests that the majority of her
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: customers were not attractive men or not conventionally attractive. So
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just that maybe they were addicted, which I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: could see, or that they were looking for, you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: someone to just like spend time with them, but that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: they were also the kind of men that probably would
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: not have been successful on the daily market.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: And they're just like paying for companionship. And then you.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Get a man who looks like he would do really well,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and even he is buying her services and she's like.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Why, and he's like, I'm tired of the games.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So this this seems to be a thing that she's
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, she may not know it, or maybe she's
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: again kind of a normy trying to be fair, like, well,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know that this is not a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: woman problem. I mean, she doesn't really ever say that,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but I think that when you look at that, she's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: essentially got run the gamut of dudes, the different types,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and they're all coming to people like her for something.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think that it should put, you know, the problem
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in the focus.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, Alison, are you there? Do you
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: want to say anything?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just so you know, like if I'm not here,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: although I can't generally I'm a little bit too far
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: from the keyboard to actually respond quickly, So just just
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: continue to or just continue with the video, all right, right, Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I did. I did want to extend what I was
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: talking about before I had the massive technical catastrophe. The
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: catastrophe just a she's dealing with the extreme. So now
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: we have multiple extremes. And this is valuable because it
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: says it sort of gives us a negative picture of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: what men aren't getting from their relationships with women. They
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: aren't getting this kind of straightforwardness. And I'm pretty sure
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: those attractive, charming men are engaging in these courtship behaviors
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and the potential of having a relationship and of course
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: they've become footie calls, which is astounding to me because
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, like in cells like to talk
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: about how chads are being locked out, But now what's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: what a chad is? Has become like one percent of
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the population basically because not only do they have to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: be physically attractive, they also have to have that attractive
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: personality style, which is, let's face it, it's the sociopathic
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: personality style. Another study. I don't know if you have
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: it at the ready, but women are attracted to a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: sociopathic personality style. So in order to be like to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: be in that top percentage of attractive men physically attractive
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and also have a sociopathic personality style, and naturally that's
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: probably only going to be a few percentage of men.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: And these guys, they may be charming, they may be attractive,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: but they may not have that kind of personality style
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: that really allows them to function very well in the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: modern dating landscape because yeah, and like I said, they're
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: putting this money in, they're not getting the companionship they want.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Then she's also talking about men wanting to be emotionally
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: vulnerable and not having that opportunity, and she's talking about
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the guys who just want their own pleasure or want
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to pursue her in terms of sexual addiction and all
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of that really speaks to what men don't get in
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: modern relationships, is what I'm saying. So I think that's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: really fascinating.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, she said she's been out of it for
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a while now, but I imagine I think she, yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: seven years and I think she she says that she
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't think it's gotten better. So I believe it's either
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: in this video or the other one I was watching.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: But anyway, let's uh, let's keep going. Nobody's sending any
• 39:29
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• 39:31
  Speaker 2: First, you guys sending those super chows feed the Badger
• 39:34
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• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Bring that up in case somebody was going to put
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• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Completely unrelated to the topic of this this this show,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for that. Are you gonna give
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: him a sound sound.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, we got we got the Okay, hold up,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: hold up, hold up? Yeah, I think I can do Yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: let's do that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: No, thank you, I'm swaight enough.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Context? Do you need that?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: You should see the movie Snatch. It's really funny. Okay,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: so let's play some more of her video.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Sure, And he was just like, I'd rather just pay
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: for what I want at that point, like I would
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: just pay and I could see like that he became better.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: It felt like what is love?
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: And the film men stopped trying to connect because they
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: feel you's tired of rejection and instead of risking real
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: intimacy again, they pay for something simple, even if it's hollow.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: But the most un settling part of was the men
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: who didn't want people at all.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I've seen it now.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Men choosing AI girlfriend's virtual companions because they don't disappoint
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: their programs will love you back. It reminds me of
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Blade Runner twenty forty nine. The main character has an
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: AI girlfriend. She says everything he needs to hear. She's perfect, but.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: She's not real and that's the problem. That's where we're heading.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Real intimacy is it's too risky.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that result that begs the question is women
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: loving men of fiction in the first place? Like, honestly,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: this is the big problem that I've seen in the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: dating sphere and the romantic sphere. Now, the biggest message
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that I hear from women to men is that it
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: is not possible for men to be loved. And that's
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: from all the tops, that's from all the big female
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: dating strategy gurus who say, you know, get your bag,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: secure your bag, and get his bag. It's like, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the reason why men are doing this, and I think
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: this woman sort of maybe on the brink of figuring
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: it out, the reason why men do this is because
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they want to feel loved, whether or not that's what
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: should happen, it's sort.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Of what.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Is happening, you know, And and women have given men
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the strong impression that love is not on the table, right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: It's not even that men aren't getting sex because they
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: don't put the it's that they're not getting the relationships
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: they want, they're not getting the emotional intimacy they want,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and women are giving the impression that it's just not there.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I think that what happened is women think that it
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: was they really bought into the rhetoric that men just
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: want something physical, and ironically, the character, the AI girlfriend
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: character can't vote for anything physical. She's purely emotional and
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: intellectual and maybe visual, and that's it. She can't offer
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: anything physical. She just offers the perception of this kind
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: of emotional intimacy, this perception that the character is a kay,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: is lovable, could be loved, even if it's a fiction.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But then then again, if men are going after a
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: fictional portrayal of being loved, is it because they've given
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: they just the real thing just is too much trouble?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Or is it because they no longer think there is
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a real thing? That love is fictional, so they might
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: as well go after the fiction. And that is entirely
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: on the shoulders of women.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is that she brings up Blade Runner twenty
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: forty nine. And I don't know if this is like
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just adding pointless detail to this, but there might
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: be something to it. The AI girlfriend is hall graphic.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Her name is Joy and the person who uses her,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: who owns hers with her, he is also artificial, so
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: she is actually a degree. So he is a replicant,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: which is an artificial like you know one. I guess
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you could say step of artificiality away from humanity, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: then Joy is another step away from that. So and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that's like probably the what, one of the most intimate
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: relationships in the movie. So it's weird because it's you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it isn't it couldn't be physical, so it has to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: be everything else. But I wonder if that, like, if
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: she's going to bring up this Joy character as her example,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: why not go and look at Kay because he's also
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: not real and yet he desires to be real. It's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: almost like, you know, to bring up Patrick Bateman. The
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: thing that makes him compelling is that Patrick Bateman from
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: American Psycho is a man trying to find like how
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to live and how to exist and he wants to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: fit in and be normal, but he can't write. And
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I think that that is what a lot of modern
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: men are struggling with, is they're trying to figure out
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: where they fit in? How do they you know, how
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: do they how can they be normal? What is what
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: am I pursuing?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: What am I doing here? Especially because one of the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: things that I'm trying to do is attract someone because
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that's what we're driven by. And so I just think
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that it's interesting that she gives this example like in
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: her Oh Man, what a depressing film that was.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And I feel like that's that's something.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Again when you bring up Hollywood, you have to ask
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: yourself if they're not pushing you towards this stuff anyway,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: because you know, I don't think that it has to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: be that way, but women are influenced by that stuff
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, let's keep going then, all right.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Something artificial and call it love and it works until
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: you realize you're even lonelier than before because people have
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: a hard time now being transparent because we've all been right.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: What was that again?
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: We're back to this question of do women give men
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the impression that they that love is on the table.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And I would say that it's well before TikTok or
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the female dating strategy, people, it was the moment we all,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, decided to believe that men oppress women.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: That is the moment it all got tainted. I mean,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: there may have been a reason to do that in
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: order to maintain men's guilt, to keep their their loyalty
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to the system and all of that other crap. But
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the moment we embraced that, it was it was we
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: are we were, the clock started ticking for us and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: our civilization, and unless we challenge it and get rid
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of it and everything that's based on it, and figure
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: out whatever, figure out the solution, whatever problem it was
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: solving in the moment, you know, because people embrace these
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: kind of very destructive, momentary solutions to their problems until
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: we figure out that a good solution to the problem
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it supposedly got rid of. No, you can't put your
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: face on those on those those wires, they're kitty. Until
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: we do that, the clock is ticking, and apparently it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: ticking on the human race. Yeah, okay, let's.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Uh, all right, let's keep going.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Some men don't want intimacy, they want control. I wasn't
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: a person to some of them. I was something to conquer.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It felt like ex Machina, where men build ai women
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: not to love them, but to own them, to manipulate,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: to discard them when they stop playing along.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: This is the part that really terrifies me, though, is it's.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Not just so. Ex Machina was a movie by a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: guy who hates men, and it does not reflect the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: way men are. It's literally a caricature. It's pretty awful, actually,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you've never seen ex Machina. I mean, it's well shot,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it looks nice. They have good actors in it, but
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: when you look at the plot, nah, it makes no sense.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: It's awful. It's an anti male movie because they have
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to like turn men into caricatures. So I think that again,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: she seems to make a lot of references to stuff,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and I would not I.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Don't think that's a good example of men at all.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: But trafficking anymore. It's not just men paying for women.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: We've stepped into something darker. For me, what I learned
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: about men, there's a different.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Variety of men. But honestly, most of them were lonely,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: were better.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Were I had a hard time finding something meaningful and
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: uh and or I think they became addicted to the
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: whole cycle. That was the majority of it. The ones
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: who were grieving or whatever that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Was that was different. There were men. This is this
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: is the part that I feel.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just pausing it there.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, you don't conquer, Like conquering is still
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a human interaction with another human. I mean, I guess
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: you could conquer an animal, but animals have satiance too, right,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: in order to conquer someone's will. There has to be
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: recognition of the will of others. So this is not objectification.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: It's it may be aggressive, it maybe dominating, it may
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: be exploitive, but it's not objectification. I just wanted to
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: point that out.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she doesn't quite say that, but there is
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: like a implication a little bit of that. But at
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, if these guys are bitter,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you should be asking yourself, where does that come from?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Why are why? Well? How has it?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: How has it gotten to the point where they're approaching
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: prostitutes to spend time with, Like, where does that come from?
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: That's a good question to ask.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like the most embarrassed about and ashamed, and
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have forgiven myself. Eventually, when I
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: would find out that men were married, it was horrible
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: and I felt horrible.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: I was I was.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: I would try to talk to them about it and
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: ask them questions like questions I shouldn't even be asking,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: to try to like figure out how I help their
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: marriage and what could I give any advice? And I
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: remember asking this doctor and I was like, where does
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: your wife think you are right now?
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: And he said, oh, on lunch break. I'm even just
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: saying that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Now I remember, well, maybe she wasn't putting out, maybe
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: she was abusive.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you asked those questions,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Mean it's still very unethical. But men can't often can't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: get away from you know, like we don't have divorce
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: from we don't have no fault we divorce. We have
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: men at fault divorce. So all of the stuff that
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: we used to have to prevent divorce still applies to
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: men so effectively. Men don't have divorce, So you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: like that I can have sympathy for that simply because
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: it's you know, men don't have divorce the way that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: their obligations to their wives never cease. Yeah, there's no
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: divorce there for men, but you know, like it's still cheating.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Still much better to deal with your relationship. But yeah,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: those are good questions to ask. Did she ask them?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Is she abusive?
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Is she I don't think she went into it too much.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: But that she felt the latitude to be able to
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: ask these questions, these personal questions.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe like if you realize that as a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: prostitute you were an accomplice to adultery, maybe it was
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: really that you just felt guilt about being a part
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: of that, rather than it just being an ethical or
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: even moral you know, wrong that you wanted to correct.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Or maybe it would have been like good to just
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: hear him out. I mean, it could be that they're
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: just womanizers, but it also could be that there's like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: problems at home and they're not getting their needs met
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, or there's something darker going on, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it might be a good idea to learn that too,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: because if a man like this doctor, if he's having
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: problems at home, he may even want a divorce, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: if he starts one, he probably stands to lose a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: lot more than his wife does, so it's sort of
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: like safer to just stay with her and try to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like get your rocks off.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Or maybe it wasn't even sexual.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was just, you know, maybe he just feels
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: like it's really cold in the home.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's not giving us a lot of info,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: so yeah, all we know is that the guy's check.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: The pit of my stomach.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It just.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: I was a part of the problem. People behind me
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: were a part of the problem, and I.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Feel so sorry. I feel so bad.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: For those women, I feel so much guilt and pain. Yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: but I don't understand those men.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: The other thing is that how do you know she
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't cheating on him?
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we don't know exactly.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is that, yes, you've got a
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: slice of this relationship, but there's a lot missing. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: have heard, at least from a researcher into the field,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: that the majority reason why men cheat is emotional, just
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: like women. It might be physical, but usually the withdrawal
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: of physical intimacy has an emotional component to it. So, yeah,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: sure you might have been involved in cheating on women,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: but consider that women don't really you have to pay
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: to get sex. So the male counterpart, we aren't hearing
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: his story, right, Yeah, because he's not considered to be
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a victim. He doesn't get paid like she did. You
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: see what I mean, right the gig Willow does not
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: get paid. He has to pay for his own expenses,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and thus he's not as much of a victim of
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: this kind of sexual exploitation as she is. All right,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: let's let's keep going.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: All right, it's gonna be honest.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: And I don't really understand that if it's not working
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: and you have to go and betray somebody and go
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: behind their back and pay somebody, and you don't know,
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: you might as well just you might as well leave
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: the relationship, the marriage.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: You know, the situation for divorce for men like you
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: do know, like we throughout most of history, divorce was difficult,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: especially in Christian countries, and there were legal reasons that
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: made it difficult. All of those legal reasons that made
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: divorce difficult to procure exist for men. It's like asking
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: yourself why women in the nineteenth century didn't just divorce him,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: because they often couldn't. And the situation where women in
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the nineteenth century was probably better than men in the twentieth,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: like the twentieth and twenty first. So I mean, if
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: you're asking yourself, like why didn't you go get a divorce,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: consider the obstacles for men in doing so, and then
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: let's read we let us return to the conversation. It's
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a sort of a double edged sword
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: with this. When certain red pill guys bring up the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: fact that women who have lots of sexual partners are
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: more likely to get divorced. Yeah, that's true, but men
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: who have lots of sexual partners may not get divorced
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: because divorce isn't really that available to men even when
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: they're discussed, so they will we'll do things like this,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: like this doctor did, They'll cheat, you know, other things
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like that because divorce is not as available to them.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: So it's it's not really that much of a statement
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: to say that promiscuous men don't get divorced because men
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: don't generally have the ability to get divorced. They're more
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: forced into the situation. So if he has discontent because
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: of a promiscuous past, then it's probably going to come
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: out in a different way. All right. I just wanted
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: to point that out. So it's a double edged sword.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, but again that's not for me to
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: force people that.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: That was one of the worst I would say. The
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: other worst thing.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Was I mean, because the thing is that people we'll
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: talk about the sex industry and say this isn't consent
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: because she her livelihood relies on it. You know, how
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: will she be able to pay her bills? How will
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: she be able to find a place to live because
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: she won't have the income. So it's coerced through the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: loss of income. But they won't take it a step
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: further and realize that marriage for men, by the exactly
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the same logic, is coerced because of potential loss of income,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Like you do? You do see that?
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So is is marriage sex trafficking for men? I mean
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: sex trafficking of men? Sorry? Not Yeah, okay, I'm just
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: throwing I'm not going to stand that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I just I get it. I get it. Okay.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: Traffic to d r ugs dealers, yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Drugs dealers you mean drug dealers, right.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Generally not a very good people.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Drugs dealers, No, of course, of course.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what what about the drug dealers?
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: Did you meet it from guys?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I know, I think she's just saying that some of
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the people she's trafficked to were drug dealers, so criminals.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: But like I said in the beginning, you know, uh,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: if you were working in prostitution, or if you were
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: sex trafficked, or even if you worked in porn, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the porn industry, you're probably gonna be around uh, a
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: certain a certain kind of person, male or female. Right,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be around a certain caliber of human being.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: That is, you know, they're they're morally different, to put
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it that way, to put it lightly, and that's gonna
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: color your experience and you're gonna you know, and I
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: mean I think that she gets that, but she can
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: be a little dramatic.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's still a woman at the end of
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: So just point something out. So far, she's expressed sympathy
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: for women who were cheated on by these men, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: but not the fact that she's essentially exploiting men. Let's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: let's be honest. She's exploiting men's loneliness and desperation. I mean,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: maybe not all of them, just some wanted to conquer something,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: which pretty much puts them on the same footing as her,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: to speak, moral footing as her.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're paying to conquer.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's like going It's like, yeah,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: there's no challenge there. You know, it's like going to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: what is it Westworld? Where you pay for the wild
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: West experience and you get to beat the bad guy
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: and always win, but you pay for it.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, did you conquer or did you just enjoy
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: a game? Yeah?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, just enjoyed some bds and m with the prostitute.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: But like them, going a man going to have an
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: experience of conquering the will of another human being and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: paying for it is a much more equivalent exchange morally,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, with this woman than a man going
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to her and have it. Basically having an open emotional
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: wound that she pretends to give a sav to for
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: a bit like that is exploiting men for their emotional needs,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: right And has she contended with that? She's talked about, Oh,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I feel bad that I I indirectly hurt these men's wives,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: some of these men's wives by allowing them to cheat
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: on him on them. But that's an emotional thing. That's like,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: you are allowing a man to create negative emotion in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: his wife. But on the other hand, you are giving
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the facsimile of care to men who, if they weren't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: so desperate for it, probably.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't pay for it, right, Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Which is exploitation. Like I've just went through a whole
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: article on how a woman who paid for her friends
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: he was a male friend's in a roommate's rent for years,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: was being emotionally exploited because he belittled her, or he
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: created he he used her her insecurities to make her
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: continue to give him money. Well, how is that different
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: than a prostitute using amend's insecurities or emotional pain to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: get money. Yeah, like that's in an intimate way. Like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: in an intimate way. I'm just pointing that out there.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: So does she have any moral and ethical responsibility to that?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's says anything. She just kind of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She beats herself up a bit, I.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Guess, But does she beat herself up about that?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But and the other thing is that they might be
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: it might be considered like I'm attacking her. But if
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: she hasn't correctly identified the source of her own guilt,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: she's never gonna resolve it guilt and shame. So maybe
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: maybe she should just think about that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I did say she's got normy takes. That's kind
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: of what I mean.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Pippito gives this ten dollars super challenge, says she says
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: she sees the men, but in her eyes herself the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: other women remain the only victims. She never seems to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: challenge that narrative. That's the reason why men are paying
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: for her services in the first place. Yeah, normy, it's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a normy take. It's just like not challenging the root
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: of what is you know where where she's like that,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the blinders are still on, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: She's trying to be sympathetic, but the blinders are still
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: when it comes to women.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: And my point is that if she doesn't recognize that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: she like the source of her guilt, that may be
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: a source of her guilt. Like I think, fundamentally people still,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: we have such a strong sense of mirror mirror neurons,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: so I think we recognize when we harm others may
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: maybe not sociopaths, but normal people with a normal amount
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: of empathy. If she doesn't recognize that source of guilt,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: she's never going to overcome it. It's going to be a constant.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: She's going to beat herself up as much as she
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: exploited those men, and that will be her life. So
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: good luck to her. Or she can move past the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: normy takes and recognize that there's another aspect of this
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: of harm that was going on here that she might
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: want to take responsibility for. But let's let's continue, all right.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I got another I got a super chat from Derek
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Workman for five dollars, and he says, if their wives
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: gave them emotional support in the first place. Would they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: pay for a prostitute to get emotional support? Well, probably
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have to.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: What now, I can't say for sure like that, If
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: that's what's going on, there are men who are like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: highly driven, like through a drenal like adrenaline and that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, who would just be interested in sex
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: just because they're interested.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: But he's saying if there, would they pay for a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: positive to get emotional support, So he's specifically talking about
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: the man looking for emotional support.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, no, No, they wouldn't.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: No, probably not exactly.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: I hear this.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: From friends, from guys I use to date, or my
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: partner now that we are together. How only fans is
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: safer than dating. How AI girlfriends never reject you of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: watchmen lose themselves to corn because it feels easier than
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: facing real people and women.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: We're doing the same thing.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Only she's so bad, just as bad.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're ghosting for sport, using men for attention
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: we don't even care about. But now it's not just
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: us hurting each other, it's machines. AI girlfriends are already here.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: I've seen the ads. She listens to you she won't
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: cheat on you.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: And people think it's funny and they laugh, but I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: don't think it is, because the truth is humans.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Are parasites to each other.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: We drain each other, we use each other, we traumatize
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: each other. But here's the part that stings.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Who builds the AI girlfriends, who creates the corn?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Well, so okay, so she's making.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Huh well women are creating only chance?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, it's it's uh.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I mean she's trying to say, you know, like, oh,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: humans are making these things and so we're doing.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: This to ourselves.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: But again, like she's not quite where I think like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: where she should be at. Like, okay, so if men
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: are concerned about women, you know, manipulating them, belittling them,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: abusing them, cheating on them, using them for attention, using
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: them for intersexual competition, whatever, exploiting them in some way,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: and then they're like, well, look I just want something simple.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to an AI girlfriend. Then yeah,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the question should be like where where is this coming from?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And what she's doing is and this is why again,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: this is why I said this is a normally take
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: is she's saying, this is all of our faults, it's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: all sides instead of well wait a minute, you know,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: like whe where should we focus? Because I think, like
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: if you do some we should probably study this, and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I think that there's some data out there we should
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: be looking at. Who is the one that's really creating
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: the tension? Where does the distrust of men come from?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Where does the distrust of women come from?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: Like what you know? Is it valid? Like like instead
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: of just saying let's all.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Like stop being mean to each other and stop like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: abusing each other, let's just be like nice to each other.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a normy take. That's what I'm saying. It's like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: why don't we just stop? If we all were nice
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: to each other, then we live in paradise. Yeah, that's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: not going to happen because that's not enough.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's really simple because I get those normy
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: takes a lot to get the centrist takes. Yeah, And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: what I say to them on Twitter, the tweets, the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: exeter or whatever you want to call it, is do
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: you believe that men oppress women? And most of them
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: say yes. They'll say something like, well, why why do
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: we have to blame?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: She probably does or or something else.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: She might have challenged that, but it takes a lot
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: to challenge that. It takes a lot to challenge not
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: just that, but this idea that your actions should solely
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: be determined by their effect on women, which is something
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: that she's doing right here, which she's demonstrating right here.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: She says that it's not all bad my impressions of men.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: That some of the men came to me with emotional
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: wounds that I would pretend to help them with, but
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: it was really just as she says, it was just
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: fake and hollow. So she's she knows that she's offering
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: them not just a placebo but snake oil. And yet
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: she did it because she got money out of it, right,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: And she doesn't see that and say, hey, I was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: actually exploiting those men. She I don't know if she's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: gone that step further to wreck that men themselves should
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: be We should take understanding of ourselves morally as women
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: from our behavior to men. Right that this is the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: radical notion. I say that, but this appears to be
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: the absolute radical notion, the the the this is the rubicon.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just this thing that women can't
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: cross is this idea and just sit with it that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: we as women should under set understand ourselves through our
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: actions towards men and their consequences on men. And maybe
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: she's at the edge. She's just she thinks she's being
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: kind or fair because she's saying, well, I didn't think
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that men were all bad as a result of my
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: sex trafficking experience. But she hasn't gotten that one step.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: She hasn't stepped over that line and said, shit, I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: was an exploiter. Mm hmm. I was exploited towards men.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: And it's because it's stepping into that space where as
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: a woman, you say, how do my actions affect men?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: And how does that inform my understanding of myself? Do
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: you notice how women really struggle with that?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really struggle with it. And a part of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: it is and I think the the the draw for
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: that whole men oppress women is that it completely netigates
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: and allows women to avoid how do my actions affect men?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And what does that say about me as a woman?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Like they don't have to even think about that, like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: that that entire part of their existence just disappears in
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: a puff. And I'm not saying this to her as
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not singling her out because she's far from rare
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: in that, but there is some additional work to be
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: done here, and she might find if she does that work,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: maybe she'll feel a little less guilt and feel a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: little less inclined to beat herself up because she'll know
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: what she did wrong right, and what she's perceiving about
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: herself and maybe she's not recognizing. So, I mean, it's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's more than just saying men aren't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: that bad. It's also saying, hey, maybe I was the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: monster too.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, for sure, I get that.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, uh okay.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: So I got a ten five dollars super chow from
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Great Indoors.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: And he says.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: One thing that I want to add is that the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Q and a section of the that puta life video.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: The writer of the book admitted that a significant part
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: of her students were doing sex work to help them
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: through college. So there's a good chance that men are
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: spilling their hearts out at trained feminists who will use
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: their personal data and twist it to a more anti
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: male propaganda.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it, yep. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of women using that have OnlyFans in
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: colleges because that Puuta life thing was like I think
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: that was like a in America because it was it
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: was a lot of it was in Spanish. That was
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: in the South America specifically. But that's why it's called
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: puta life because puta just means prostitute or horror in Spanish.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean, like you get women to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: use their bodies to make money because you make them
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: feel like it's the only way, the only thing that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: they're worth because of patriarchy and the sex positive feminist
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: which is what that was, a pro sex work feminist video,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: then you can convince women to go into sex work.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And again, only fans is owned by a woman and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: a feminist at that. I'm fairly certain, so you know,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: but yeah, thank you for the superchow. I'm not I'm
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm sure that that happens.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, it feels trafficking. It's not robots, it's humans.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: So when humans are trying to say, hey, don't worry,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: this robot isn't going to hurt you.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: Who's who's the creator of it? A human? We create
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: the very thing that destroys us.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird segue. I could jump ahead
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to the next the last thing if you want.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: But what is the conclusion here?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: That because saying that humans hurt each other and the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: fact that they're making robots doesn't change the fact that
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: they're made by humans.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but that the thing is that, first of all,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: it's women hurting.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Men, right, Yeah, I mean they're making robots to fill
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a niche in a market. Yeah, it's and the reason
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: why does the market exist in the first place.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, all that men do in our society hasn't
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: even earned them a sense of gratitude, much less the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: impression that they could be loved for it. So love
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: is a fiction like I'm I'm, I can't. I can't
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: deny the overwhelming voice of women on the internet. And
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: now women on the Internet is becoming the way that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: men understand women's voice. Right, we can talk about you know,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: fiction or whatever, but women on speaking on the internet
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: is going right to the source, and it's overwhelming the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: amount of women who who buy into First of all,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: men oppress women, but also give the strong impression that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: men cannot be loved. Not just that men aren't loved
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: or that they can't earn love, but that it's just
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: not going to happen. That's the strong impression I get
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: from people like Manifestel Shira, the other women that we
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: are from the female dating strategy. We respond to a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: lot of this feminist informed TikTok crap. That's the strong
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: impression I get from it. So you can say, well,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a fiction, love and among a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: a an Ai girlfriend is a fiction? Wasn't it also
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: a fiction? With you? And if an Ai girlfriend is
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: exploitative because it's a fiction, then again you were exploitative
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: because yours was a fiction. You were a prostitute. But regardless,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: at this point, is love by women of women for
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: men a fiction? Is it real or is it a fiction?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Because it's being presented as a fiction by women, and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I think men are picking up on that. So if
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: it's a fiction, it doesn't matter if they get it
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: from a fictional source, does it like? Really? I honestly
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: think that one of the main things that Christianity did
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: was make it so that love between men and women
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: could be seen as something spiritual and transcendent, and also
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: that that maintained that kind of attraction because that presenting
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: male masculinity as a moral good in of itself, it's
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: something not necessarily better, but something different, you know, And
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: that created that spark of attraction on that level, you know.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: And that's gone for the most part from secular society
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: and nothing has replaced it. So where is the love?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: The love appears to be a fiction, regardless of whether
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: or not you buy it from a prostitute, you get
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: it from an ai, or you pretend you have it
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: with your wife. I mean, this sounds really frickin depressing,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: But why are women continuing to put this out into
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: this Noah sphere if it isn't the truth or it
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: isn't what they want men to perceive? That men are unlovable? Yeah,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't put that out. I try to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: put out gratitude and appreciation, you know, and the fact
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: that I see how much men have sacrificed to make
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: women's lives comfortable, you know, and all of that. And
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I wish I could tell women to stop doing this,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: to stop being so destructive, but if I do, I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: just get called to pick me, you know, and canceled.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: So it's like in people, I mean in the previous video,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: somebody said, well, you know, you're so optimistic, or it's
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: good that you still have passion with a relationship between
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: and men. It's not passion. It's recognition that we fix
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: this or we're doomed. It's recognition of where the problem lies.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: And it's right here, this is where the problem lies.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: And you can you can pretend that the problem is
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: no offense. Immigration. Immigration is a problem, but it is
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: not the problem. You can pretend it's like trans writes
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: and LGBTQ. You can pretend it's conservatives being mini pants
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: and all of this other stuff. But at the end
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: of the day, this is the problem. The problem is
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: in the relationship between men and women, and if we
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: do not solve it, nature will get rid of the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: problem by getting rid of us. So I don't know
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: if that's optimistic so much as realistic. I don't know. Antionally, yeah,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: and I don't think that. I honestly don't think that
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: the Amish or the Mennonites can really take over because
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: they are While they are a population that is reproducing,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: they're also a genetically limited population, you know, and that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: is not a solution either. We can't have this kind
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: of insular, self looking community, self turning communities. That's not
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: the future either. They may end up being in the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: future until they die out, but it's not the future.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: We got to solve the shit in the context that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: we have. I said a lot of words when people
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: are gonna be like, oh, word salad, but take what
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: from that what you will? Okay, Okay.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: We we hurt each other, then we turn around and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: design something worse to replace the connection that we.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Work and it feels well because it's really worse.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, like it's I think the ideally two human
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: beings would come together.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think that we're going to be able to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: replace that, so.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't I think it's potentially worse, but like it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be, you know, we can fix that.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: So that's what I think anyway.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: Mm it was like a cycle that is never ending.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: AI.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Girlfriends are just the beginning. What happens when robots replace
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: intimacy altogether? What happens when corn isn't just on screen
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: but something we can feel living escape to. At some
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: point we won't need each other at all. And honestly,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: that really scares me.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that men won't need women because the only
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: thing they could possibly need warm women is love. Like eventually, uh,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: gestation bots will take care of that, and sex bots
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: will take care of sex. I mean, the only thing
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: that I can think of that women could possibly provide
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: men that in the future won't be better provided by
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: robotics is the conscious act of love.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: Mhm.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: And if if men just want something to gestate their children,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that's coming too, you know, that's it. And yeah, I
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: guess that is frightening. But why I'm curious, Like what
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: women can give men in a world with artificial wombs
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: and sex spots is a consciousness that actually cares how
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: its actions affect men, if that makes sense, And that
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: can't be replicated with robotics. It can't be replicated with AI.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, it maybe could be emulated, but the way
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: that consciousness works, I don't think that AI is ever
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: going to create co We don't even really understand consciousness,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: much less being able to manufacture it. We can make
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: AI sort of look like consciousness, but it's something even
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: that I've noticed with AI art. AI art doesn't know
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: what to focus on. Yeah, yeah, it's just it. So
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: it just everything is focused on and that's that is
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: a part of the difference. Like there's just not a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: conscious point there. So the only thing that I can
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: think that women could possibly give men again is a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: consciousness that judges itself by how it affects them, which
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: is not something they can get from AI and wombs
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: are also something that can potentially get from robotics, So
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: I mean that's another thing to throw out there for thought,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: food for thought. Okay, all right, are we want.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: To hear more of this or should I jump ahead
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: to her feeling?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Eh? Okay, No, no, like no, let's jump ahead to
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: her her thoughts on all right, I'll jump ahead.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: It's like sixteen minutes.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: Stand some of you I don't understand, and that's okay.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: I know some of you don't understand women.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: And that's okay. But this isn't a competition.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think you understand men?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Well, she thinks that she's learned a lot about men.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. Can we go back to the context of her
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: particular little rant here?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, ten years ago and just
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: wrap that girl up and say you're gonna.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Be okay, Like she's talking about herself, that she could
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: go back in time and talk to herself.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get you out of this. You're gonna be
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: okay for any man that is watching this.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: Some of you I understand, some of you I don't understand,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: and that's okay. I know some of you don't understand women,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: and that's okay. But this isn't a competition of who's.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: Worse than the other. We have all been screwed over.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: I've been cheated on, I've been lied to, I've I've
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: been screwed over.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you haven't been subject to a universal social
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: narrative that you oppress the opposite sex. All right, This
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: is this is the fact.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: So everything within that context is going to be slanted
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: towards women until we step out of it, right, And
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: it's going to be slant, not sorry, it's going to
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: be slanted towards a particular perception of women as as
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: lacking recognition of their moral agency and relation to men.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Shall we say, I mean, I would say that actually
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: greatly diminishes women in a way that is almost impossible
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: to even articulate, much less truly understand the scope of.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: But regardless, as long as we believe that we exist
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: within a framework that disadvantages men, that blames men, that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: puts the onus on men. And until we step out
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: of that framework, we can't talk about Oh, it's both sides.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Oh we each heard each other. No, yeah, it's don't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: We could talk about that once we step out of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: that framework. Sure, we can start talking about healing. Once
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: we step out of that framework.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, I've been ghosted, it was ever. We have all
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: been hurt. We hurt each other, So how do we
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: heal each other?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Step out of the framework.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: I would say what I learned.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: I went to counseling, tried to work through all that trauma,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: and I guess sometimes it takes time.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: But building a relationship with somebody that.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Feels safe and feels close to home, and also taking
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: time to be single, to love myself and to be
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: my own best friend.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Have you considered how the effect of your exploitation of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: men gets into your relationship, the potential problems there. Have
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: you considered that, I mean, this is the problem with
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: the framework, This is.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: The prob I mean, I bet that her boyfriend or
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: whatever is doing a lot of the heavy lifting dealing
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: with her.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Baggage, unless he also has baggage.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: But but let me let me, let me explain the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: framework that we exist in regardless. I mean, the main
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: way that we maintain that framework is again men oppress women.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: But the framework that we all exist in is that
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: women don't think about how their actions affect men, right,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: And they don't. And if they do think about it,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: they don't think about it in terms of how, the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: how that how to take an identity, like to take
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: part of their identity from how their actions affect men.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: So maybe they will see that as oh bad, But
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: will they see themselves as more or less of a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: woman based on how they act towards men? What I'm
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: getting it, that's not so that framework. If her healing
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: takes place in that framework, she will always be broken
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: and she will always, on some level, I think, perceive
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: herself as broken. There always be something seeking more. And
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: the problem is that when that happens, and this is
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: what I notice with women in that circumstance, they are
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: inevitably drawn to blaming men. Now, maybe she's beyond that,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: who knows. I can't say too much about that. It's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: just saying what she's presenting here, like, has she considered
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: how her actions exploited men. Right, has she considered going forward,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: how she's going to resolve that?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: She does not. I don't think she brings that up.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: No, she doesn't bring it up. Maybe she brings it
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: up in another one. Maybe it's something that she's never considered.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: I I yeah, I don't think she.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: This video is from like just last month, so this
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: is relatively recent.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I will believe these stories of prostitutes and sex workers
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: coming to the light when they start talking and taking
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: responsibility for their exploitation of men's sexuality. Mm hmm, Like
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like they come to Jesus, you know what
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah, But isn't that more about confessing your
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: guilt not being recognized as a victim. So do you
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: truly come to Jesus if you're not confessing your guilt? Like,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: do you truly Like I don't know. I mean, I'm
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: just conjecturizing based on my impression of prostitutes becoming Christian,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, And I'm just I'm just.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Pointing this out from a secular perspective, like is that
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: really how it works?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: And because you know, and here's the other thing I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: want to point out before we go on, I did
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: send you a video of a Instagram Yeah, you know
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: what it's It's fine, we don't have to go over that,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: but it's basically the video of the thing I was
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: talking about, the seventy thousand men in this kind of
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: a grape yeah thing, which I don't know if it's
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: role play or if they actually engaged in it, but regardless,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: but we don't have to go into that. What I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: did want to to say is something that I've noticed
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if you've noticed this, Brian, but
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I wonder as the overtly antagonistic narrative gets called out.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: So like what we're seeing with the USA and stuff
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: and all of the bizarre stuff the US government has
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: been funding, which incidentally part of it is destabilizing culture
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: other countries around the world by exporting this This so
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: so just crap. And I believe me, nobody will know
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: people in the countries there they don't want this crap either,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Like you know, Nigeria doesn't want under trans underwater basket
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: weaving UH symposiums in their country from being supported by USAID.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm furthermore, I think that they also even like
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: even the straightforward aid that they get that's supposedly so great,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: like dumping a whole bunch of shoes on there. I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: mean that destroys their local market, which then makes it
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: impossible for local entrepreneurs to make a go of it,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: and then they have to immigrate to the US to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: have a place where they can even try.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: It's it's like all this this crap that these this
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: this US shadow government engages in. And that's a bit
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: of a segue, but it does. It does come back
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: to what I wanted to talk about, as we call
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: all of that overt crap out and we see it
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: come out, like we see start to see it in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: the government and what the government has been funding, what
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: the CIA has been funding and has been against too,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: because they've also attempted to undermine the stuff that we do.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: As all of that comes out, I think we need
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: to be careful about this message becoming even more subversive, subvertive, subversive, subversive.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: And the one place that I'm seeing, to start, I'm
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: starting to see a rise of it is among these
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: presumptively Christian conservative commentators who again absolve women of responsibility
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: by saying, well, men were the ones who were supposed
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: to lead them. So somehow women aren't responsible for themselves
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: morally in Christianity, men are responsible for them You see
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, sure, So if a woman violates
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: the Ten Commandments that it's not her fault. It's a
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: man's fault for not leading her properly. To get what
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I don't think that that's Christian.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just more ways that women are trying
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: to avoid responsibility.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: But it's not even women who are doing it. Remember
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: lasta Well.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, no, there are men who do
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: it too. Yeah.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Sure, see they believe that they believe in this idea
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: that if the men lead, the women will follow. Yes,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I think that that is that is not that's shortsighted.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: And it's also very arrogance because it's prideful because you're
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: basically saying I can do it, like if I lead,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: she'll follow. It's like, no, that's that's wrong, like she
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: has to choose.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, but you know the thing is that wouldn't
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: leadership for men right now be holding women to account?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's where it starts, right Yeah.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: And starting to say, no, you you need to start
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: judging yourself by your behavior towards others. And I don't think, honestly,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: from what I know of Christianity in the Bible, and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I speak to this as like lay secular, the ten
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Commandments also apply to women, right, you know, there are
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: expectations of women that women need to whole stand up
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: to that can't all be deflected onto men as oh,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: he should have led her correctly, right, And that Jesus
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: recognized women as moral agents, right, and they had expectations morally,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: And that men's leadership, I think is not that they
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: are supposed to be responsible for women's moral choices, but
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: that they are supposed to model moral choices for women
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: and hold women responsible for in their their own lapses
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: and morality. But like I said, I think that what
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: the subversion is coming in is we're starting to see
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: these presumptively conservative and Christian advocates who still advocate for
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: an absence of female responsibility. It's just what I'm warning,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if this is like, this is like
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: all of this crap squishing into another form. Do you
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying?
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, anyway, Okay, so a little bit more.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit more.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: You are going to be the best friend no one
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: else will if I could give anybody advice. I know
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: how it feels to be screwed over by people that
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: you trusted and you look at them and you're.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: Like, I thought I knew who you were. I never
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: thought you would do something like this to me. I
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: know how that feels. And I've been the villain in
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: this too. So uh, it's all about like healing.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: Inner parts of ourselves that need healing and nurturing ourselves.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Hm.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: Very at least she had said that she was a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: bad guy too.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, but it is very much like a very you know,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, female, very feminine normy take.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, I guess in a way the feminine and.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: The blue pills or the blue pilled and the normy
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: is kind of feminine, like the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe that's what I mean to say. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Gabriel feeling Lucas is saying Stream's gone without mentioning Christianity.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned it in the context of potential people who
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: are our problem.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying all Christians are a problem, but there's
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: been this this raft of a particular type of conservative
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: commentator that I consider a problem, and I considered a
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: problem because once again they're essentially using Christianity to absolve
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  Speaker 2: women of responsibility for their actions. Then not every thing
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: has become Christianity, but Christianity is a big part of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: the social landscape. And I'm just saying that. I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the people who started by subverting this,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: this our social landscape by with all this LGBTQ stuff,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: are just becoming more circumspect and are now starting to
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: subvert it using things that appear on the surface to
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: be less radical, is what I'm saying. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: I don't see a way forward without women taking responsibility
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  Speaker 2: for some of this shit, or for a good portion
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: of this shit. I just don't. So if somebody is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: going to go around and continue to sell the idea that, oh,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: men just need to take more responsibility, bro, in fact,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: the real problem with the world is that men haven't
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: taken enough responsibility. Well as if men stopped at any
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: point in time and h and I see that, and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: they're selling that, they're selling continued destruction, continued social destruction.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I believe that's right.
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  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is when I look throughout history,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: when we have pulled ourselves out of social messes, it's
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: generally because women have taken some kind of responsibility for
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: their greater cultural group. And uh, yeah, so that's I
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: don't know how many women need to do that, but
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: it from Mike. From what I have seen in history,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: it generally falls to women to just and I don't
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: mean that as like, oh, men are failing. It's more
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: like there's just some things socially that men aren't able
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: to do. And when society gets to the point that
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: it needs women to take responsibility, then they must do
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: so or and now we are are a global civilization.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: So okay, all right, I'm good. Are we finished?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: I used the F word.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Well I guess we are now, No, I'm kidding. Yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: there's nothing else, you know. She just says love thyself,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: which by the way, is not a great idea, but
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: you should care about yourself for sure. But yeah, okay,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: so I did try to reach out to see your girl.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: Here. We'll see.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I think she's just starting to like go on this
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: journey and we'll see where it goes.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: At least she's willing to admit some pulpability here. Yeah,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: I'm using my force field to keep the cat back.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she heard the word.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I got a five dollars super chat from ZARANX and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: he says there's a passer vander Clay I followed for
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: a bit who remarked on a video that Israelites appeared
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: to be feminine in behavior around the in Calf.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: There's it's a lot to unpack there. But I do
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: know about Paul. Is it Paul vander Clay? Because there's
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: a guy named Paul vander Clay that I'm not subscribed
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: to a channel, but Lindsay is. But I've seen like
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of his videos. He actually talked to the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: base Camp people a while back before they blew up.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Well anyway, was that the base Camp couple? Yeah, the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: couple that we had on.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that we predicted that they would blow up huge?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah they did, of course.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: You know like that we bring people on, they get
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: like a million subscribers, but we just just is it
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: just the fact that it's like the alphabet.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like where you know, we just
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: sort of like see it when people are heading in
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: a certain trajectory. And then we talked to them and
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: then they just sort of keep going. We're like, you know,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: at the fork in the road, like where to where?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Which way?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: You know? Western person? And then they like go in
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: what ever?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, speaking of people that blew up after
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: they talked to us, Sargon is going to be at
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: a con that I sent you the link to it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying we should go, but I want to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: make a point because I think this.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Is, oh, it's pro natalism.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: A pro natalist convention in uh, let's say it's in Austin, Texas,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: March of this year, and they're you know, Carl's going
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to be there, Like, we got a bunch of different
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of these people. There's there's
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Malcolm and Simone Collins as the base camp people. Yeah,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Carl's speaking there. I don't know a lot of these
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: people really, but I do know some of them.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm just showing this off.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: If you're in the Texas area and you're interested, maybe
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: check it out. But yeah, and say hello to Carl
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: because there he is right there. He's going to be there.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Raw ag Nationalist is somebody I know from the Internet,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: but that's basically it.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I could, I could try. I could go to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: uh try to go to the States, and the last mean,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: what are you going for? And I'll be like a
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: convention and they'll be like another five year band.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think they do that, Allison. But but I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: what I I'm not saying that we should go. What
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: I am saying though, is Carl. When Carl talked about
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: going to.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: This thing, he said that that the new challenge in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: you know, in the coming years is going to be
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: getting men and women together to start families. And what
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm and yeah, and what I'm saying is is that
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: we're not the only ones that are trying to like
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: talk about this, and that means that there are people
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: looking into solutions, and that means that those people will inevitably,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: inevitably have to confront Yeah, like the woman question, They're
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: gonna have to and it's the only way. So I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: say go for it. If you guys are interested to
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: check it out. It's in Austin, Texas in March. And
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: but then for for people who are not doing that,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: all I will say is that you're going to have
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: to confront this reality at some point like it's just inevitable.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: You can't even like we finally got it down to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: the point where now there's just two sexes. Okay, so
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: now what now we are to address that? So, you know,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: and let's let's do that. Let's see where it goes,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: see if people figure this out.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: So the other thing is that when when we just
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: declared it was just the federal government, I'm sure.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: That the actually I know, I know, it's just yeah,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: it's just a federal thing.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: I'm joking more right, The reason.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: We have to ask yourselves why are people engaging in
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: this behavior? Like people don't are pretty conservative, They don't
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: really engage in behavior unless there's some kind of benefit
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: to them. And I honestly think that it's because we
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: have embraced a narrative that makes it supremely uncomfortable to
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: be men and women and even worse to be in
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: relationships with each other. And until we address that narrative,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: we're we're gonna be stuck with this crap. And yeah,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: it's funny. We do see these people on a trajectory
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: and then we bring them on and they blow up
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: and uh yeah that uh but yeah that I I
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: also see a trajectory that our society is on and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: we need to fix it, you know. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: maybe we have foresight, we have the gift of foresight.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: of another word. She's too distracting. Mel mcgeddon, Mel mgeddon,
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