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The Highs and Lows of Suicide Squad · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: I'm Brian. I'm David.
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  Speaker 1: And we're.
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  Speaker 3: Back for another session of.
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  Speaker 4: This Wonderful superhero series that we kicked off a long,
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  Speaker 4: long time ago, truthfully. I was thinking back, like even
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  Speaker 4: you and I and Patrick did the.
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  Speaker 2: Was it Daredevil?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it was that same one because it was Ultron.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we all did Ultron.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, right, right. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And that was when Daredevil came out the first time
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  Speaker 4: and we talked about that too.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That one, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's when we first started doing, okay, they're
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  Speaker 4: always coming out. Let's just stick with it. So we
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  Speaker 4: stepped it up a notch this year because we knew
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  Speaker 4: so many were coming out.
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  Speaker 2: I think now we only got one more though, right?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Strange, I think, is the only one left this year.
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  Speaker 2: This year, I think that's about it. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're pretty far into the year. It's almost September, so
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's amazing how quickly this year flew by
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  Speaker 2: as we start cranking out our big summer movies, which
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  Speaker 2: start two months earlier than they used to now.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a good tie-in. I was going to say
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  Speaker 4: normally we'll do like, hey, what have you been watching?
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  Speaker 4: But as a superhero tie-in, since last we did our
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  Speaker 4: superhero rundown, there have been several new trailers.
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  Speaker 2: For superhero movies. Would you like to make that our
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  Speaker 2: little intro into this? Yeah, we can start. Where do
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  Speaker 2: you want to begin? Do the DC side or Marvel side?
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  Speaker 2: We can do Marvel first and then we can go
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  Speaker 2: into DC and kind of bring the DC into the
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  Speaker 2: Suicide Squad.
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  Speaker 4: Marvel, all we've got is Doctor Strange, right? Or did
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  Speaker 4: we get anything from.
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  Speaker 2: They've announced all this new stuff. Well, there was a
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  Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy trailer, but it was behind closed
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  Speaker 2: doors kind of thing. Like, Like they showed it at
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  Speaker 2: the San Diego Comic Con, but it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing where it's still on lockdown and no one got
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  Speaker 2: it on their cell phone that I've found. But I've heard.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen footage from the whole cast being out there.
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  Speaker 2: I heard the room went nuts. Like I heard like
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  Speaker 2: people were saying as great as all the other trailers were,
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  Speaker 2: if you were in the room for Guardians of the Galaxy,
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  Speaker 2: you know that that's the hottest movie coming up. Like
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  Speaker 2: everyone apparently went nuts there. Baby Groot apparently is adorable.
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  Speaker 2: How can he not be? For God's sake. Rocket apparently
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  Speaker 2: had a bunch of great one-liners where someone called him
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  Speaker 2: a trash panda, and he had some moment with Drax
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  Speaker 2: and stuff where he was like, what's a trash panda?
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  Speaker 2: Is that good? Apparently, it was just great. They show
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  Speaker 2: Kurt Russell as planet Ego, and everyone apparently just went
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  Speaker 2: nuts for that, but we didn't get that one. But
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  Speaker 2: we know it's coming, but Doctor Strange. I just saw
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  Speaker 2: it again yesterday. Just now, it was on Suicide Squad,
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  Speaker 2: and I, you know, it's the kind of thing, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to repeat stuff I've said on previous podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: but just to throw it in real quick, Doctor Strange comic,
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  Speaker 2: highly visual comic, really creative, really banana artwork, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad that the money is there, because these special effects,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, everyone's, like, saying Inception like it's an insult,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'm glad it has Inception money. I
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  Speaker 2: get that that city scene looks literally like Inception, but...
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  Speaker 2: But that just tells me there's a lot of money there,
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  Speaker 2: which there has to be to really bring that magic
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  Speaker 2: side through. So now I am excited because now I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: without that, it wouldn't be Doctor Strange. If you can't
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  Speaker 2: to make magic not look stupid on a movie, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to take money. And I feel pretty confident from
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  Speaker 2: the trailer that it looks like they have the money
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  Speaker 2: and they have the actors. I love that cast. I'm
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  Speaker 2: like that. between that and Thor. I mean, there's so
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  Speaker 2: many great, great, great people in these Marvel movies where
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's so legit.
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  Speaker 4: Again, Marvel's got the backing now to do whatever they
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  Speaker 4: want and deliver with whatever they want, as long as
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  Speaker 4: they can back up the story and get everything to
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  Speaker 4: work right.
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  Speaker 2: That's, I think, mine, and I will return to this later.
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  Speaker 4: I'll just tease it now of like, there's, there looks like,
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  Speaker 4: and again, as you say, it needs a lot of
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  Speaker 4: special effects to make the magic angle work. It also,
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  Speaker 4: to me, that one worries me. It's one of the
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  Speaker 4: first ones that's worried me just looking at the trailer
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  Speaker 4: that it's going to be overwhelmingly that like, then we're not,
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to focus on plot enough to make
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  Speaker 4: it interesting.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be, hey, look at all these cool
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  Speaker 2: visuals that we have and we spent a ton of
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  Speaker 2: money on.
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  Speaker 4: And so, again, I hope the screenplay is there to
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  Speaker 4: anchor all this crazy magic.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say the dirty word origin movie, but.
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  Speaker 2: You need it for him because nobody knows who he is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a good regular. I assume there's barely probably
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  Speaker 2: all this great stuff we're seeing. is the end fight.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I mean, it's gotta be him as the doctor
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  Speaker 2: breaking his hands, getting depressed, finding the, you know, there's,
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  Speaker 2: it's an origin movie. There's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of him before he even sees a magic thing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: okay with that. Again, I'm okay with origins when we
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  Speaker 2: need origins, you know? And it's like, like I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: Normal people don't know who the hell Doctor Strange is. Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why is Sherlock flying up there? I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to come to this a lot later. Neither did they
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  Speaker 2: with Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. And that were just
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  Speaker 2: fine with zero origin. That's what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up later because people are... talking
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  Speaker 2: on a smack about how quick the origins were in
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  Speaker 2: Suicide Squad, and I'm like, you got zero origin in Guardians.
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  Speaker 3: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: Not one flashback. Not one moment of, I came from
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  Speaker 2: this small planet, and I had a wife. None of that.
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  Speaker 2: It was just, they were, they might have mentioned some
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  Speaker 2: past stuff.
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  Speaker 4: We get a little history on Quill, and then he's
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  Speaker 4: our main character that's in. Everybody else is just brought
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  Speaker 4: in as people that he meets.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it. Anyone that might make that argument, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not going to come off like I'm
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  Speaker 2: defending DC in his podcast, but just on that point,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where people were like, oh, the origins are
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  Speaker 2: so quick in Suicide Squad. What do you know about
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  Speaker 2: Groot's past? What do you know about Raccoon Rocket's past?
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  Speaker 2: What do you know about Drax's past other than his
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  Speaker 2: family died? Other than the wife and kid, yeah. What
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  Speaker 2: do you know? I mean, obviously you know Star-Lord, but
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  Speaker 2: what do you know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: you didn't get, and even Star-Lord, you don't know that much.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the very beginning, mom dies, gets taken away
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  Speaker 4: by them. We sort of learn a little about the
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  Speaker 4: dad angle, but we haven't touched on that till this
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  Speaker 4: new movie. So it's like, we, yeah, for the most part,
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  Speaker 4: it's supposed to be kept in secrecy.
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  Speaker 2: So like, that's okay. Like you don't need to explain.
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  Speaker 2: In the sense that like, I think the first, I
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  Speaker 2: think all the Captain America movies are just tens across
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  Speaker 2: the board. But the first one has a lower review
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  Speaker 2: because it's an origin movie, and it starts off slow.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just one of those things where it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I get, again, and I'm not trying to defend this point,
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  Speaker 2: but I get that there's people that go see movies,
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  Speaker 2: and then there's comic book people that go see movies.
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  Speaker 2: And if you just go see movies, yeah, that first hour,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably like, why do you have to tell me
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  Speaker 2: so much about this guy? Like, when's the movie going
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  Speaker 2: to start? But it's like, you know, for comic book people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of these people, their comics... And in
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  Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds. And you've got to at least tell
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  Speaker 2: issue one before you can run around and do whatever
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  Speaker 2: you want with it. You've got to get that foundation.
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  Speaker 4: It depends on the angle, too. There is a way
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  Speaker 4: to approach it where you don't start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: You start midway in. That's what was genius about Deadpool,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, is that it found a way to do
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  Speaker 2: his origin without feeling like you slowed down to do
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  Speaker 2: his origin. It did.
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  Speaker 4: It just cut it up into pieces and just kept
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  Speaker 4: shoving it in in the middle of what was already
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  Speaker 4: going on.
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  Speaker 2: Which, ironically, I didn't dig in Superman. I hadn't really
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  Speaker 2: made that comparison until just now, but that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: what the first Superman tried to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it just didn't quite hit it the same way.
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  Speaker 2: It just did it boringly, and that Superman's such a
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  Speaker 2: whiny bitch. It picked, like, the wrong memories, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is what it really breaks down to. It picked the
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  Speaker 2: wrong memories.
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  Speaker 4: And, again, memories showing that he's not the Superman that
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  Speaker 4: anybody knows or wants to see, really.
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  Speaker 2: Like, he's just... Pa can't tell you to not save people.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. And then in the second movie,
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  Speaker 2: he's the one that tells you to be.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, whatever. Like I said, I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 2: We're veering off. Yeah, Doctor Strange, I'm just excited. Edward Cumberbatch,
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  Speaker 2: love the casting. Again, I feel real bad for not
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  Speaker 2: knowing all the actors' names and stuff. But the antagonist,
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  Speaker 2: the dude from Hannibal, I'm so stoked that the dude
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  Speaker 2: from Hannibal is playing the bad guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, he's so, he's so charismatic. I love that dude from,
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  Speaker 2: and I wasn't even much into The Silence of the
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  Speaker 2: Lamb movies or books and all that, but man, just
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  Speaker 2: for him, I watched the first season hard and I
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  Speaker 2: need to watch the rest, It's one of those, I
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  Speaker 2: saw bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard it's one of the better TV series maybe ever.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that Gillian Anderson apparently is in season three,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, what? I need to go in
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  Speaker 2: and watch that.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of those that, yeah, it was probably too good,
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  Speaker 4: and that's why it's not a show now.
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  Speaker 2: It's like regular people. There's those rumors that Netflix might
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  Speaker 2: pick it up. They should. You never know. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: I thought the fan base was there. I knew a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that loved it. People were hardcore. I
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  Speaker 2: was surprised that it didn't get the cut. It was
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  Speaker 2: the geek thing. It was like the people that loved
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  Speaker 2: it loved it.
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  Speaker 4: And then 90% of people were just like, oh, that
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  Speaker 4: thing that's on, that's 10 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: It's too late for me. I'm going to bed. People
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  Speaker 2: just didn't care. I was really taken back by it.
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  Speaker 2: Because going into it, I was like, yeah, I saw
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  Speaker 2: Silence of the Lambs. I don't need to see. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like a cash grab. I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: need to see this again.
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of those other movies got worse and worse.
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  Speaker 2: But just, it was shot so well. Like, it's just
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  Speaker 2: visually so amazing. It's just so witty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, point being that, you know, yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: guy that plays Hannibal in that, the guy's going to
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  Speaker 2: be in Rogue One also, but he's the bad guy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, old girl that's training Edward Cumberbatch, the real androgynous,
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  Speaker 2: super blonde woman. Like, she's awesome. The guy, I assume,
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  Speaker 2: is going to be kind of his partner. The black
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  Speaker 2: dude I said was from the Serenity movie.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I love all 40s people. And I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 2: why to me, it's like, even if the origin is
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  Speaker 2: kind of slow, as long as the conversation is witty
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  Speaker 2: and entertaining, I'm along for that ride. And it looks
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  Speaker 2: like when the action does happen, it looks like the
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  Speaker 2: money's there. So I just feel like it's at this point.
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  Speaker 2: It's just all on the script. I feel like visually
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  Speaker 2: you look like you're ready. You got your pieces in place.
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  Speaker 2: Just hopefully the script nails it too. And I hope,
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  Speaker 2: I assume this, I assume the whole purpose of doing
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Strange on his own. is so that we can
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  Speaker 2: get the time gem involved because we've got to do
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  Speaker 2: all the Infinity Stones. We've got to get all the
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  Speaker 2: stones out there. So it would make sense for him
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  Speaker 2: to have the time gem going on because they kind
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  Speaker 2: of do dimensional stuff. Because he's a time lord. Either
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  Speaker 2: space or time. One of those two gems has to
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  Speaker 2: be in here. Sherlock's not a time lord. Wait, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to piss off a bunch of nerds. It's like
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  Speaker 2: when worlds collide. It's all coming together. It's all one story.
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  Speaker 2: The entire geek universe is actually one big story. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it kind of is, really. It's called a convention. Go
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  Speaker 2: to them. It's all there, people. Just one big orgy
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  Speaker 2: of geekiness. There's an image you don't want in your head.
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  Speaker 2: So moving on, I guess, to the DC side. Justice
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  Speaker 2: League and Wonder Woman. Which is first in release, is it?
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  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman's first.
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  Speaker 4: Wonder Woman's first, which I guess makes sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we've already teased her for a movie and Go back
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  Speaker 4: and listen to our review.
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  Speaker 2: That's our main issue.
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  Speaker 4: One of our many issues with Batman v Superman is
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  Speaker 4: the fact that She seems like she has potential. She
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  Speaker 4: seems like she's an interesting character.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And we get almost none of her and just enough
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  Speaker 2: to be an annoyance, really. It's like either put her
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  Speaker 2: in the story or don't put her in the story.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: They kind of skate that line of like, well, we
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  Speaker 4: got to set up our next movie.
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  Speaker 2: We got to cram her in there. Yeah, it seems like, again,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's a DC philosophy because I'm going to mention it
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  Speaker 2: at least here in Suicide Squad, but I feel like
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  Speaker 2: DC's got this mentality now that they need to insert
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  Speaker 2: almost like, in quotas here, a trailer in the movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For the next movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, that's kind of what we got with
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  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman and Batman versus Superman.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: And in this one, that's what the Joker was to me.
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  Speaker 2: The Joker was to Suicide Squad as Spider-Man was to
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  Speaker 2: Civil War. It was, we're going to put this guy
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  Speaker 2: in there. He doesn't need to be at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the movie would almost be identical without him. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not in it much anyway. But it's to let
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  Speaker 2: you know this is coming. This is coming. And to, quote,
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  Speaker 2: he's get excited about it if you found it exciting.
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  Speaker 4: And they very obviously crammed in your... Batman and specifically Justice.
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  Speaker 2: League by the end. I was happy for all. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get back to those later. But as far as Wonder
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  Speaker 2: Woman solo, what are your thoughts on that trailer? I like,
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  Speaker 2: I think the trailer, the trailer got me really excited
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  Speaker 2: because when I, that original image with her and all
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: the women, you know, kind of like standing in their
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: very Spartan gear and, I just felt like it was
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: going to be Zack trying to do 300. Which, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, at first, wasn't a bad thing since he's
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  Speaker 2: done before. It's like, oh, it kind of makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: He handed off the one he probably should have directed visually, which,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm not complaining because anytime they can take
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  Speaker 4: something away from Zack Snyder, I wouldn't have said that
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  Speaker 4: years ago, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: But now I'm just like, no, please don't.
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  Speaker 3: Just put him behind a camera.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to be seeing this for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of my life now. Put him behind a camera.
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  Speaker 2: Not in the director's chair. But just, yeah, not talking
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  Speaker 2: to the actors and not doing anything with the script.
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  Speaker 3: He.
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  Speaker 2: I will never deny that I love his eye. He
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  Speaker 2: will do shots, and in Suicide Squad, there were so
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  Speaker 2: many shots where I literally was like, that was Zack Snyder.
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  Speaker 2: That was not Ayer. That was Zack Snyder, and I
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: love that shot. He's an auteur. Like, literally, old school,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: and like, Visually, he is a very distinctive director. He
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  Speaker 2: understands how to put image and music together. He's doing
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: the music videos in the movies, and it works for me.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff, you know? When it works, it works good.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there are several key scenes that I can
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  Speaker 4: think of in his movies, and I'm like, that's really
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  Speaker 4: well done. That's amazing as its own little standalone movie almost.
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  Speaker 2: But overall, does the story work?
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  Speaker 6: Not so much.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: You have story issues. See, Wonder Woman was... The trailer,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: I think, is fantastic. I have to say this now, too, though. DC, again,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. I'm not claiming to understand what the
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: DC philosophy is. Behind closed doors, when it suits. I
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: don't know if they know what their philosophy is yet.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: At this point, to me, I just feel like it's 99.9%
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: sure that these suits have the philosophy that you make
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the trailer great. Awesome. Regardless if it's going to give
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: you the plot, regardless if it's going to show you
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: the end, regardless if it's going to have a spoiler,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: it seems like the suit's perspective, at least the people
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: making the trailers are, get them in the seats day one.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Fuck the integrity of the movie. I don't think that's DC.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's just Hollywood. I think that's the industry because...
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: It's rare that the directors make the trailers. Not to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: make it Marvel versus DC, but look at Marvel trailers.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: How many times, I mean, Ant-Man, how many things could
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: they put in that trailer to get you in there
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: day one? Again, I think that's.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Just guys cutting the trailers. That's a separate job. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: wish the director would get to make the trailer because
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I feel like they have a sense of integrity about
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: their trailers. artwork, if you want to call it that.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: And like, they will not spoil things they don't want
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: to spoil. Like to me, it's their work of art.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: And when you have somebody else come in and just
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: slap shit together to bring people into the scene.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: When a trailer looks like the cliff notes for the movie,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that's not, that's not the purpose of the trailer. At
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: the same time. And I've, Great examples are Tarantino.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Those people cutting those movies, specifically, there's a whole episode
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: of us bitching about this.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And Glorious Bastards.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: That trailer is an entirely different movie than what his
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: movie is. And going back and revisiting it now, I'm like,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: this is kind of a masterpiece for him.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Like, he... called it out himself in his own movie,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: which is kind of cocky.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, if you watch it, it is a
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: great movie, but it is not what you were sold
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: in that trailer. So I'm like the people that they're
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: almost doing a disservice to not just the movie and the.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Director, but the audience, because they're scamming the audience. Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Get in here, give us your money, and that's it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: That's all we want. That's bullshit. I apologize if I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: ranted about this before, but that's what The Fifth Element
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: did to me. I did not like The Fifth Element,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the first viewing, because you go back, I'm sure it's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: on YouTube, you find the original trailer for that movie.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: there is not one single joke in that trailer. You
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: have Bruce Willis looking like Bruce Willis and doing Bruce
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Willis stuff, so if you think that's amusing, cool. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that trailer is pitched like hard sci-fi. It is a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: pretty tongue-in-cheek movie. And it's comedy beginning to end. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow. Which, side note, did you see
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: he's doing a new sci-fi movie? I don't know.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: What the fuck's his name? That director's coming back.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: That was his big reveal at Comic-Con this past... a
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Do we know what movie he's doing,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: or is it just the fact that he's doing something?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, he had the artwork there. I think he
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: may have already had some work print kind of stuff.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting if he went and did the book
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that he stole the story from. Oh, it is, actually. Oh,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he's doing that? He's actually doing it, then. It's a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: French comic book that is what inspired... It's like Indra, Ingrid.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It's a weird I word. I want to say incel, intel, Indra...
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's some small I word, I think.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's like blatantly.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Based on a French comic that he was inspired by
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: in quotes to.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Make the fifth element. They don't call it the fifth element.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: They call it the fifth essence in the comic. And
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, man, you totally kind of stole this.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I think he was sort of honest about it at least.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Like he was just like, yeah, this is what inspired
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: me to do this movie and probably just couldn't get
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the rights, but.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Now he has more money. It's what Disney did with
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Lion King when they took Simba to Lion. And they're like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: we're just going to call it, it's the Lion King now.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Screw you, Shakespeare.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, no. I like it also, and I want
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to touch in real quick, though. I like that they
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: actually made her armor red and blue. Like, did you
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: catch it? Like, the red was really red. Now the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: blue is really blue. It was a new set, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: it's more colorful.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: But funny that it's... It's taking place when it does,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: the battles that it does, and yet it's still very USA.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, well, that kind of doesn't come
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: into play, but okay.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no stars. It is the eagle on
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: her chest or whatever. But it still looks pretty God
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: bless America-y. I'm kind of curious if this will be
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a permanent... change her armor or if the idea is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that this armor is really old and back then it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: was colorful and over time it's been worn in. Everybody
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: had eagles on their shields and whatnot. So yeah, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: assume that that's what it actually is.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Later it might have more stars and stripes and the like.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But I mean those action sequences, I'm a big fan
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: of slow-mo and just the way they kind of did
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: some of those slow-mo shots and that shot with the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: artillery hitting the shield and it's just pounding her shield.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I love those shots. I ended up liking it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: And again, I think this is the only time I've
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: been interested in anything coming out of this new DC universe.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Possibly aside from... But Suicide Squad is its own side thing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: It's not the core superheroes.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It's their guardians. So, yeah. But I'm like, to me,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it's out of the core of any of the main superheroes.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: This is the only one. And almost because it felt different.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Because it feels... To me, it felt like Captain America.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That's what I was just about to say. Not that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: they ripped it off, but the fact that you're doing
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a World War II movie again. It's a period piece.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, this could be... Great. That's exactly
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: what I was about to say. It feels like the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: first Captain America where I'm like, we get a backstory.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: We also get a backstory that is a period piece.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: We get Captain Kirk jammed into it so we can
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: have a dude. But other than that, it still seems
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: like it's staying pretty true to her Wonder Woman or
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: what their new version of her Wonder Woman story is.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: And it's using that excuse to take this character and
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: jam her into sort of the modernized world.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's such a great juxtapose. That wasn't the same as
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Captain America. Yeah. Like, having a dude with a shield
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a war is great. And I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: not knocking DC. I'm not saying DC is, like, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: copying Marvel.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, they kind of are in the grand scheme
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: because they saw how much money there is.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't blame them because it is. Like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: they're making billions of dollars.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: So, it's like, I understand, but at the same time, like,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: As long as it comes out as a good movie,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's the alternative? I mean, think of it
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: like that. You have Wonder Woman. Especially now that you've
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: introduced her the way that you have. In recent history,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, there's a part of you, especially
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if you're DC Suits, you're probably like, well,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: fucking World War. two words for captain america won't we
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: put her in world war one that was i mean
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: her entrenched warfare is gonna be bananas.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: And that again that's the part that looks cool to
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: me like that shot of her just.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Epic barely and that's and that's where i go that's
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: got to be snyder right there those epic shots like
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that's where snyder is good yeah i'm on the fence
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: on the lasso because why is it glowing bright yeah
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: i think they want that you know that like Because,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you know, in the comics and stuff, it looks like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it's made of light. I mean, that's how it's drawn.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It almost looks like it's luminescent. It looks too bright
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to me, though, in a movie. It looks too cartoony
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to me. I hope they dull it down.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm wondering if that's an effect to get
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: people's attention for the trailer, and that isn't the finished product.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Because you can fix that easy. You can fix that easy.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And it's just a little too bright. Just bring it
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: down some.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Geeks like us are probably going to say this a
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: whole lot, and studios pay attention to that shit now.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Like so much so, as we've seen in these last... Again,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and that's what I'm going to say with Suicide Squad.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of Suicide Squad was, we
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: don't know what to do with this, so we're going
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to put a little bit of it out and see
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: what people say. I mean, the whole second Superman movie
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is a response to the first Superman. So they're paying
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: attention to what geeks say, whether they want to admit
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to it or not. But I just think they're like
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: stabbing themselves in the neck because they're hearing both polar
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: opposites in such loud volume that they're like, what do
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you want?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my only concern is like, why is
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: that cartoon lasso in this live action movie? So if
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: they tone that down a little, I don't mind it
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: having a little magical glow to it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: That's fine. But like, Very little. And I'm not saying
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that bothered me. I'm just saying that. It kind of did. Well,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it's just a distraction. Yeah, it was distracting. It's very distracting.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It took away from the action because it just felt
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: pasted on. Yeah. It just felt flat in comparison to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: everything else. It's in the middle of a very real
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: world scene. She's in the middle of battle.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: She's got people firing machine guns at her. And then
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: this weird cartoony element comes into play and kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: like robs it of what it was, you know, kind
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: of based in reality. And all of a sudden she's, yes,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: kind of supernatural ish. But at the same time, they're
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: fighting in the middle of a war.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It should have some stakes to it. It feels a
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: little bit like she brought a laser gun to the battle. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It seems silly. I would even take if the rope
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't glow at all, but maybe if she's like, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: someone doing something really intense with it, then it glows up.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: She's really intensifying something like that. Because that was.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Kind of the same thing in the last movie when
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: she did the bracelets and did the power. And it
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: kind of busted it. If she has an effect on
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: her accessories, that's cool.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: There better be a scene in this movie where she
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: is just.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Doing some Neo from the Matrix with the bracelets and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: just ricocheting. I want her to like that scene with
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the shield that we were just talking about. I want
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: a scene like that, but without the shield where she's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: just moving bracelets and blocking like hundreds of bullets. It's
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the first time, like this version of her is the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: first time that didn't seem silly.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Because again, I always felt like I want to like
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Wonder Woman.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: She's part of the Justice League. But I'm like, everything
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: about her was so dorky.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, bracelets and a glowing lasso and
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: invisible jet.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: You're not selling me on any of this shit. So
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, the one time now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: When I see her, unfortunately Zack Snyder was involved, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the one time she works those bracelets into being just like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: like battle armor for one like it's same thing with
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the the ones on.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Her thighs right those look useful now yeah and i'm.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Just like that looks cool because again she's in a
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: battle and like she needs that shit it's not a
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: fashion accessory it's because she's in the middle of a
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: battle and like you want her to be badass looking
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: so i mean like she finally is and especially when
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: you got that extra element of her being kind of
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: super powered and being.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Able to use those to do cool shit with and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: like so.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I like that element to her i like that She
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: is kind of delivering on being a badass, finally.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I think that's the most promising part about this, is
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that the action looks pretty solid, and I like the
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: period piece element.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And I feel like there is a chance her and
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Kirk are going to have chemistry. I'm going to call
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: them Kirk. It seems like their back and forth seem
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: not dorky. Yeah. Because, like, what was she like? I mean,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: if it's following where the comic has rebirthed her, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: because the reason DC rebooted everything, she is the daughter
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of Zeus now. Like, it's a very straight up mythological
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: thing now. And it's like, they do that in the movie.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And it's like, that's the kind of thing that could
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: come off real cheesy. And it was like. It didn't
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: feel that bad. I mean, they kind of slapsticked it
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a little to him, just kind of like, okay, like
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: when she told him. Like that line to me was funny.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Like it rung pretty humorous. I feel like they approached
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: it right. Instead of it being like hard, serious.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You know, where he's like, what do you mean? You
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: can't be, you know, he could have gave her 10
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: kinds of hells for it. But yeah, when you let
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: him just kind of roll with it, you're like, cool.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what you need to get across. Like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: let's just roll with it, guys. It's a comic. We're
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: just getting our bases set.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: You know, she's the daughter of Zeus. You're not going
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to see Zeus.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: We also need something to lighten that up because there's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: no comedy with her.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Like, we've seen her in the last movie. Yeah, she's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: very dry. She is straight. That could be a bad thing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Like, she is the straight woman for this piece. So
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: you need somebody to be kind of snarky. Like, you
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: need Kirk to be kind of fun.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: In the sense that there was a DC animated feature
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: called Justice League War. And in that one, they had
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman acting a lot more like Thor. Again, not
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: trying to sound like They need to be more like
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Marvel to be better. But I feel like she was
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: acting more like Thor in a sense that she was more, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you know, just enamored with everything human. It was all
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: new and fresh and interesting.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You know, but she was a bit more childlike because
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of that. Like, everything was so new and curious. But, yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: in this trailer, she seems very deadpan, serious in business.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And it's like.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And she is like that for the most part in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the comics, but... They animated when she got a little
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: sense of humor. Yeah, like I said, they lightened her up.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Her and Batman would always have a good back and forth.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But it felt like it came... That's the thing. Her
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: and Batman don't really get along. They have a business relationship, period.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Because the thing in the comic that I always loved,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: because it was one of the things... And again, I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: not trying to tree branch on you, but one.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Of the things... I've always had a very hard time
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: defending Robin. In the Batman universe. He is adopting children
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and putting them out to fight crime. And Wonder Woman
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: will give him shit about Robin. She will be like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you are taking children and training them to fight violent criminals.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That's child abuse. She will call him out on that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And kind of rightfully so.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: We can come back to this, too.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, it's one of those, like, the more
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: you delve into the Batman mentality, it's.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, he's not really a stable person. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: we'll return to that later, too.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I guess that's... We've done... We all have
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: relatively good feelings on Wonder Woman. What's your Justice League take?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Justice League, to me, just felt like another one of those.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like the Justice League trailer, I was really
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: surprised how much footage there was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel like it was
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: too early. I feel like this was, I don't want
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to say panic, but I feel like maybe on the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: heels of how Batman versus Superman was taken, they needed
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: or really wanted to give you something visually to go, no, look,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: this is what we're getting to, though. You know, it
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: was almost like the... Wanted to go, guys, we're trying
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to get to this point. Like, please don't bury us
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: before we get here, because this is what we want
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to get to, and we really think you're going to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: like this if you will let us get here. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I felt like that was more of, we need them
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to see the Justice League on screen, so we don't...
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But they.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Still don't really barely deliver on that. Here's my concern,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: because this trailer, and I don't know if the trailer
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: is setting up, the idea of what the movie's going
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: to be to bring people in, or if the trailer
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: is a representation of what the entire movie is going
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to be. Because it's like this version of Justice.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: League is like Blues Brothers. Okay, we're getting the band
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: back together.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Granted, we haven't been a band before, but I'm trying
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to find guys to put together a band.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to travel around the whole damn movie
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and try to put this band together. I saw this
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: hilarious meme. where, you know, the whole scene with, well,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the scenes, plural, with Bruce Wayne approaching Aquaman, just those
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: scenes there. Someone using images from those cuts, like have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne like showing up to Aquaman. He's like, hey,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: what's your mom's name? Aquaman's like, Martha. And then Bruce
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Wayne's like, so I'm putting this team together. It was like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: we're best friends. Like everyone has to have a mom
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: who's named Martha to make the cut. No, what was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: strange to me, and again, This kind of goes more where,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you know, why I say I think it was a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: little rushed. That trailer felt like what in the Marvel
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Universe was all the credit scenes.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Because that was all those credit scenes of Samuel L.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: talking to someone new at the end of every movie.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It seems like if you put that in the movie,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: if you're watching a movie of that, it just... Here's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the point. If you do origin movies for everybody in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the Justice League, why do you then need to have
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: an origin quality to the Justice League actually coming together?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, what was all their individual movies going
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to be if you still have to explain why they're
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: in the same room?
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you look at the Avengers movie, that
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: first one, they don't go back over anything.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when that movie started, you just knew. Bam, here
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: we go. Here's everybody. You've watched five movies. You're good.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think it's one of those. That was
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: bizarre to me. Like, well, how much of the movie
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: is going to be that? Because it looks like a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: lot of it is going to be that. And, again,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: once again, another DC trailer. And I'm like, ooh. Other
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: than Wonder Woman, I've had that response to all of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: them now.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I feel like they're going the wrong
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: direction here. I'm like, if we're just going to watch
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Ben Affleck drive around from city to city and, like,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: take his jet to go fly to Aquatown.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Him and Wonder Woman. You know, it shows a shot
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: with them, like a bunch of computer screens. It looks
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like they're going to be hunting for metal. And, you know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And we're going to get to it, obviously. Like, Suicide Squad,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the end credits. Did you stay for the credits?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Well, with the credits where you find out how Bruce
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Wayne gets all this information on the metahumans. And it's like,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: what was that scene for then? If you're going to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: do scenes like that and insinuate that he's getting the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: band together, then why do you have to film the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: band getting together? It feels like one cancels out the others. Like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that's so weird to me.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Like, you could either leave that final scene in there
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and then we're just good to go, or.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Like, we don't know anything about that in this movie,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: and then we go start from scratch and drag it
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: out and spend an hour of the movie putting everybody together.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Because you see, Wonder Woman will have some credit scene.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: It'll show... I'm sure. I don't know. Like, what would
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: it be? Aquaman has an orange jumpsuit now.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: A flasher or something.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: My favorite thing, and this is totally stolen from somebody
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: else on Twitter, but somebody retweeted it today, and it
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: was pretty damn funny.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It goes, guys, if you go and see Suicide Squad...
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Stay till after the credits. Sometimes people leave like a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: half tub of popcorn and you can just claim that stuff.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, dude, that's pretty funny. I saw a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: tweet where it was a shot of Croc's cell and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: there's like a rusted toilet in the background. And it
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: was like, hey guys, did you guys catch the Batman
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: versus Superman Easter egg in the Croc's cell? It was
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: in the back corner. Oh, wow.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: He's like, Sometimes you got to give geeks out their credit.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: They're pretty damn clever. So, yeah, that was my favorite
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: response because I was like, yep, that was maybe the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: most useful thing was I have to have mostly eaten popcorn.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: But, you know, again, I'll probably be saying that a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: couple more times. You know, that Justice League trailer, there
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: were some great shots. And I feel like that was
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the Zack Snyder stuff. That shot with Aquaman getting hit
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: by the water, I don't know what the point was,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: but it was a visually great shot.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It's like the things that we understand what the plot
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: is looks boring and drug out, like him just driving
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: around all day trying to find everybody. And then the
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: other stuff that we are taking out of context, it's
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: just like this really could be like 10 minutes of
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: the movie. I don't know what we're getting ourselves into.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: So again, I approach this with concern. as I have
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: with almost all these movies.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I dug it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I dug it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, they got me excited for them, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that I go so far
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: as to seem excited. I'm Wonder Woman. I definitely excited.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman. Yeah. Um, and I'm not gonna lie. I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: will see justice league. I mean, I can't lie. We'll
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: be sitting here however long, you know, you can call
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: me part of the problem, but I'm, I'm going to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: go see all these guys in theaters at least once.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Um, I give things the rub. I seen them twice.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But if I like a license, I'm probably going to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: see it at least once. But other than that, other
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: thing I would mention is that, you know, that flash
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: scene where it feels like we finally got a comic
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: relief person in the DC universe, which he is the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: right one to be that. But I was like, thank
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: you for the love of God, like making, because they
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: could have made him dark. You know, his mom died.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: You could have made, they could have chose to make
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: him super dark.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It's like Disney. Everybody's a Disney princess in this world. Like,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: DC is so Disney. They're killing everyone's parents. But, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: great trailers. I should say interesting trailers. Next couple years,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I'm still stoked. There's, you know, a great time to
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: be a comic book fan.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Well, we've already half gotten into it several times now,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: so let's take a break.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And just full on get into this week's movie.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I've been your lover since.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Popcorn freshly popped and buttered. Look good? Sure, it looks
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: good and it tastes even better. Get some now. Hey, look.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Those two cops are climbing down the side of that
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: five-story building and getting a drop on that whole gang
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: of crooks.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: They're making a.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Million-dollar drug bust in broad daylight.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: The same two cops just dove headfirst off the back
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: of a speeding bus. They're sneaking up on six of
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: the mob's most dangerous hitmen and taking away their guns.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Wow. Now they're hiding in garbage cans, leaping from rooftops,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: smashing through windows, and crashing through walls.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: That's impossible. Who do they think they are? Batman and Robin?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: The real-life cops they call Batman and Robin.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: The Super Cops.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Their tactics are outrageous.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Their record is unbelievable.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Their story is amazing, incredible, impossible, and true.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: The Super Cops.
• 37:43
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  Speaker 3: Get more out of life.
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  Speaker 3: In the film.
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  Speaker 2: All right, lights out!
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Here's to honor among thieves.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: We almost pulled it off.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Despite what everybody thought.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They're gonna blame us for the whole thing.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: We're the patsies.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Don't forget, we're the bad guys.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: We've all heard the stories of Samson leveling a temple
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: with a single push. With a Philistine weapon of mass
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: destruction named Goliath.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: The next war will be fought with these metahumans.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Please don't forget. Ours or theirs. I want to assemble
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a task force of the most dangerous people on the planet.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I told you! No game, no game.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Never stand down, made our own way. Y'all jokers must
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: be crazy. This is the deal.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: You're going somewhere very bad.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Look at the pretty lights.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: To do something that'll get you killed.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: You might want to work on your team motivation thing.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: You heard of Phil Jackson?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He's like the gold standard, okay?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Triangle, bitch.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: See your body shaking And that new healing is shouting
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You have.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: To fight For them to fall away.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Marching to die 21st century healing machine At the push
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: of a fortune.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Millions will die Suicide Squad Suicide Squad New assembly line
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Death in advance.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: All right, so once again, we ventured out into the world.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: This week's Out on the Town feature is Suicide Squad.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: The year is, obviously, 2016. The director is David Ayer.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And the plot, according to IMDb, a secret government agency
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: recruits a group of imprisoned supervillains to execute dangerous black
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: ops missions in exchange for clemency? Clemency?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Nice going IMDB, which inevitably leads to chaos.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. We're going to ruin all of this.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: So I'm assuming you've seen this movie by now, but
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I could be wrong. The reason you and I are
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: sitting here by ourselves is I threw this option out
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: to a lot of people. Like again, we have a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: relatively large rotating cast for a show and I will
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: usually just kind of find the best people for the
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: specific project or for going somewhere who's going to be
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: on hand or all of these things.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And, Usually, I don't go more than one or two
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: steps to figure out where I'm going.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: But a lot of times lately, it seems like it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: been the superhero movies lately.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: You'll notice X-Men, we were by ourselves too. I cannot
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: find somebody.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Who usually, it's kind of back and forth. This one
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: in particular, kind of last time too. This one, I
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: went to six or seven people easily, maybe more. None
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: of them had seen the movie yet. And several of
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: them were specifically, yeah, I'm not going to see that movie.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: So either one was just like, I'm not interested at all.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: One is a big comic book fan, but specifically said,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I got burned on Batman v Superman, and I just.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Don't feel like giving him any more money. I might
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: watch it when he hits, like, you know, Redbox. And again,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: we should probably touch on that later, too, because that
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: seems to be, I see a lot of that now.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Because like I said, it's a real love-hate with this one, too.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: And the ones that I see on hate, it's almost like, because,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm, I like watching a lot of people
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: rant about stuff on YouTube. Whether I agree or not,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I just like hearing a lot of opinions and what
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: everyone's talking about. And it seems like a lot of
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: my regulars, instead of just talking about how they didn't
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: like something, almost all of them found a good five,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: ten minutes at the end of their videos to be like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this is it, guys. I don't think I'm going to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: go see anything on the first week. I'm going to wait.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And as friends, a lot of people are like, I'm
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: tired of giving DC money right out the gate and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: getting burned. And I'm hearing that chatter getting louder and louder.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And when you're trying to build up to Justice League,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that's not good. I mean, you said earlier, like, part
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of the problem. And I'm like, well, on the one hand,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: it is. But, I mean, everybody should just go see
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: what they want to see.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, it is one of those if that
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: studio or if this property or this franchise is burning you,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: as quoted earlier i'm like then i guess you need
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: to stand up and be like then no i'm not
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: going to give you money yeah that is.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: The only way to actually yeah if you if you
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: have a problem with the movie don't give it money
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that's how you actually say something to the corporations you
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: have to not for years go see it and complain
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: about it after yeah oh my gosh Stop giving that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: man money. That and Turtles. I mean, I can't tell
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you how many dudes I talked to are like, oh,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: did you see any new Transformers? Like, man, I'm really
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: not interested. And they're like, yeah, I went and saw it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that good. And I'm like, well, great. You're
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: part of the problem. Transformers is just, like, Michael Bay's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: just a horrible director.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, a visual stylist has skill, doesn't need
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: to be directing. Or it's certainly not that type of movie.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: The Ninja Turtles, like, it's one of those, I kind
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: of just, I haven't seen either of the new ones now,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: but I'm like, I was going into it the way
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: probably you are and everybody else that's old enough to
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: remember the old ones and were very nostalgic and precious
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: about that shit. And then I stopped for a minute
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: and looked at the new one and I went, yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: this looks ridiculous.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It's fucking ridiculous anyway. I
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: was like, that thought back on the old ones, and I'm.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, those were ridiculous too. There's nothing they're going
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to do that's really going to sully the fine name
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It's literally kind of like
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: a lighthearted version of Watchmen. I mean, its whole origin
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: was to make fun of comics and how ridiculous they are.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: The fact that we're talking seriously about Teenage Mutant Ninja
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Turtles is kind of oxymoronic in itself. It's like, well,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it was never meant to be taken serious. Everything in
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: it is a joke about a comic.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the fact that kids watching that now, if
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: kids are even concerned about it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Kids love that Nickelodeon show, which is really good. That's
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say. It's usually cartoons. It's huge.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: That Nickelodeon license is doing really well. And like that
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: CG one that they did years ago, I think made
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: pretty good money. I thought that was fun. I think
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: that would have been great if they would have kept Shredder.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I think what was weird is you didn't have the Shredder.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: You can't have the heroes without those proper bad guys.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: The voice acting was great. The action when it happened
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: was great. I think the lack of Shredder is the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: only thing that kept that from being a series. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: think that could have had more if they would have
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: treated it like, not an origin, but like not different.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Because they were like, oh, Shredder's dead. This is going
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to be different. It's like, no, that's where you lost everybody.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You got to keep Shredder.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: I do wonder if it is one of those that
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: kids care about these new movies or if it's just...
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: millennials coming in going, well, those other ones were stupid.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: That's what you guys liked, but we're going to like
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: this one. And I'm like, it's just the same goofy thing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: It's just got different special effects. We had giant puppets.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: You've got CG adjusted puppets. Like it's, it's not really
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that different. I hate to tell you guys. I feel
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: like that's kind of what happened with this movie in
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a way, again, from, from the corporate point of view,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like this was heavily aimed at millennials, just
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the visual style, how colorful it was. The way people
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: were reimagined, I feel like it was specifically targeting millennials.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: And I think that that is probably part of the love-hate.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: If you don't like the changes made, I think chances
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: are you're probably older than 20. Yeah, I'm going to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: say 20 and under, you're probably going to be pretty
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: excited about this movie. I think if you're older than 20...
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Then you go, what did they do to the Joker?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It won't register.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: It won't even register because you don't have that hardcore
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: fan base. Again, it's not precious to you the way
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: it was, which I've gotten better about that stuff now.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I take more of an artistic angle on it now.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Being so rigid about it makes it not as important
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: as other types of art. I'm like, no, we can
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: only do it this way because I said so. And
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's not how you do art anywhere
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: else in the world. I'm like, I can paint whatever
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: the fuck I want to paint because I'm an artist.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: There's no rules in art.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Remember, even in school when they're teaching you the basics
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of art, I'm still thinking, yeah, but I mean, how–
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't it just art just to go against those rules?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Even these fundamentals, couldn't it be an artistic standpoint to
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: go against that? There are no rules. If you can
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: find a good way to do it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a way to just slap things together as
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: a lazy approach to art, which some people do that
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: as well. But to me, it's like if you want
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: to do, specifically in performances and stuff, I'm like, if
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: you want to do a different interpretation of the Joker.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Do it. There's no reason not to. We have Nicholson.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: If you're hardcore about Nicholson. Do you want to start
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: with him? Do you want to start with Joker?
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, that's a good example to me because
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: he's very different than anything we've seen before. And I'm like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: it's just, you gave it to an actor and he's
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: doing his thing with it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: If you don't like it, you don't like it. But
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't, oh, he can't do that. Yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: he can.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: He's an actor.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: He can do whatever he wants.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: He's an artist.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about all the stuff that
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Jared Leto did? Have you read much on all of
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: his shenanigans backstage? Here's, I can just wrap up mine.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I said it to somebody yesterday because they asked me
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: how it was and specifically the Joker thing. And I
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: was like, They gave the Joker to Jared Leto. yeah
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: he did his jared leto thing all over it and
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: that's the performance i'm like i you don't really have
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: to go any like that to me encapsulate i.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Guess you have to know him as a performer like
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: but i've actually met him Well, I wouldn't say we
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: had a conversation, but while I worked at Hot Topic,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: he came in the store when 30 Seconds of Mars
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: was playing Louisville. So I was going to say, was
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it when... And I had a retail conversation with him.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, did you want to try those
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: pants on, Mr. Leto, kind of thing? Was this St. Matthew's, more?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: St.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Matthew's. Okay, then he might have been that same day.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: We very... Did he have his homemade jacket that had
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the band's logo on the back? I didn't see it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: He must have made himself because it doesn't exist anywhere.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: If anybody's been listening a long time, very notoriously on
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: the show, Marlena has a story about a run-in with
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: him at Whole Foods, which would be right across the
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: street from that store you worked in.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: That would make sense then, yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, he might have just been hitting that whole
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: little area there. It's just kind of a sad story
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: from her perspective.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: It's just him seeming kind of lame. Well, I heard
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: early descriptions of him, you know, like, you know, when
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: people were just trying to, you know, encapsulate what he was.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, it's kind of a rock star Joker.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, no shit. It's Jared Leto. Like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: it's at least sort of a band. Doesn't that fit
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: perfectly then? Whether or not he is a rock star,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he thinks he is a rock star. And that's all
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that matters. But I wouldn't agree at all. Like, really,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the Joker is going to be.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: The harshest criticism I have about this movie, and I'm still,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm right kind of with everybody else, though,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: in a sense that I didn't like what I saw,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't enough to go, I don't like it,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: which I know sounds weird, but the scenes he was in,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I was just like, he wasn't consistent enough in any
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: attitude or any, speaking manner. There was nothing consistent. And
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: maybe that is his point, is that he's just... I mean,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like in a schizophrenic way. He was like,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: crazy here, but sadistic here. It wasn't like that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: It was just.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: You never knew what he was going to do, but
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: not in a psychotic way. Not in a crazy way.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes... Sometimes he would touch on a dark, growly voice.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Other times he would go super soft. Sometimes he'd do
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: this real soft smile. Other times he'd do a real
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: grim smile. And I'm like, you are all over the place,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: so I don't know what you're doing. And it makes
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: me feel like because they cut a ton of his footage.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: He's pissed. He was on Twitter. He is pissed that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: so much of his footage is out. And I feel
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: like David Ayer was like, okay, look. I don't know
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: what to think of this. So let's just kind of
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: pepper in a couple of his different shades, and we'll
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: see what the audience says, and we're going to run
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: with it hard later. Like, I feel like this was
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: the litmus test. It's like, okay, we'll see what parts
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: of him they liked, what parts of him they didn't,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: and we'll kind of double down later. Which, again, is
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: now the DC way.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: It's like, let's test it out and adjust as we go,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: which I think is not the best way to go,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: once again, if we're calling it art, not the best
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: way to make art is to take a consensus of
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: idiots who show up to eat popcorn and decide to
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: cater to their whims.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: That's not the way to do it. Art up and
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: have an approach.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing. It's just like, give it
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: to a director who has some vision. I mean, even
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: if it's the Zack Snyder thing, I will never call
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: him out for that last movie for not committing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: To his vision.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't like a lot of it, but I'm like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: he went in with a concept and he stuck to
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: it the whole time and like i'll just disagree with
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: him but like i at least respect him for not
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: well no.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: He he did kind of do that too.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: But he at least like within his little world he
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: kind of stuck to his guns and like they made
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: adjustments to the story as they went along but like
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: it still sort of felt like his movie through and
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: through whereas yeah i don't know there's there's only so
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: much you can do i think in this.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: One you can really feel the reshoots i feel like
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that first 15 minutes was
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the reshoots. Maybe. Like all those snippet backgrounds, you know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: where like Batman's peppered in and Flash is peppered in.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that feels like the reshoots to me.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: That feels like the, let's double down on Justice League,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: get Justice League in there, let's film this stinger. That
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: to me felt like the reshoots.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: And I feel like that, You almost have to go
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: one way or the other. That was one of the
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: ways I was going to kind of intro in on this,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: is that we do intro in on half.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: The people, but not all of them. And I'm like, why?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Katana in particular, zero. But at the same time. As
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: much as you give these little vignettes on everybody else,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: not everybody, on most else, literally she just walks in
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the room and it's already established that she's firmly trusted.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Like- firmly trusted.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And i kept thinking like midway in like i'm like
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: wait isn't i know i saw that chick with the
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: mask and the blade and like i know she's a
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: character like.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not that schooled on it but i know.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: There's another character missing so when she finally hops on
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: the chopper i'm like okay she's here good but it's
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: like why doesn't she have the thing in her neck
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: or did she because they didn't really validate at the
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: same time i was like i kind of liked hers
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: better As we got into it, I'm like, I think
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: it works fine not. As we were saying earlier, that's
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: what I was going to touch on. I don't know
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: that we had to have a huge backstory on all
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: these people because you can't devote the first 20 minutes
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: to like, okay, here's Deadshot.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Let's have a little story. Guardians didn't have to do it.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: It can be done. You can have little flashbacks. If
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: they're interesting enough, you don't have to know their motivations
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: to like, you know, like them as long as they
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: have enough personality. And maybe that's what worked for me
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: is I felt like Captain Boomerang had enough personality. Diablo
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: had enough personality. Of course, you know, Deadshot and Harlequin
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: had tons of personality. Like I felt even Rick Flag.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't expect to care about the military dude. He's
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: still low on the totem pole there. I'm not saying
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: he's great, but I did dig his back and forth
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: with Deadshot. I felt like, at least in the sense
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: that I felt like he helped Deadshot's character. I feel
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: like he was written more interesting than I would have expected.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: That performance is just, I don't know. I'm trying to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: decide if I just don't like that guy or not. Like,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I started looking, like, it was one of those, I'm like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: he looks familiar. Well, he's the throwback.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is where all these, yeah, I started, that
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: was half of this movie was like, I know that guy.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Where do I know him from?
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: And then I kept backtracking and figuring out why all
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: these people are super familiar. Because I don't know a
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: ton of them by name, but then I'm like, their
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: name's familiar.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Why do I know it?
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: And then I would look back and go, oh, it's
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: in this project, or they've been in these 12 things
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: that everybody talks about now.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: He is, he was for the fans, period. Because Rick Flag,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: before you had a Suicide Squad, there was, you know, uh,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: whatever tactical squad X or whatever. And that was Rick flag.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Like back it was, Oh God, it was like fifties
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: or sixties technically. And back then, not that in the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: movie it is supposed to be him identical to the comics.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: He'd be really old by now, but in the original
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: squad X or whatever it was in the comic, um,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: it was Rick flag that ran it. So that was
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: at least, at least a name that was a way to,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: you know, feel like, You know, they were doing a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: deep cut on the comic. It's at least, yeah, a
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: nod to the fans. You know who this guy is
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: if you've read the comic. It was that rub. It
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: was that nudge. They do a couple of those.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, they are at least schooled enough in
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: their studio and their comic end of their studio to
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: be able.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: To give these little nods to fans. Because there's another
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: one later that I feel like is odd, but I get, like,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: it's all necessary. Should we jump to it now? Because
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I got... I got, again, we just go all over
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: the point. We got midway in, we've got.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: All these setups of like, of course we know we're
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: going to spend a good amount of time with Will Smith.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: He's Will Smith.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Harley is the biggest star in the world. We're obviously
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: going to spend time with her. So I'm like, we
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: get midway in, we kind of get a little bit
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: of boomerang maybe, but like all of a sudden, cause
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: that's what I, I, I specifically didn't, didn't try to
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: find out any extra.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't read the comic really. And I'm like, again,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I kind of.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Like taking that perspective of like, They're trying to appeal
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: to people who didn't read the comics. They're trying to
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: make these more mainstream. So if I go in and
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: don't be a geek and do a lot of back
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: research and try to figure out stuff, if I just
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: kind of go in cold, do they deliver?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Are they going to be able to give me the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: story that I.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Need coming in?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the fundamental point there. Because I feel like,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: from my perspective, because I'm feeling like you're about to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: say that it didn't work then. If you hadn't read
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: the comic stuff, it wasn't as successful.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Again, I'm still trying to process how I feel about it. Like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: it's not 100% successful in any area, I feel like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: but it's not a failure either. Like, it's just sort
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: of there, and I'm still piecing through the remains and
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out what the hell happened.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: This is the one that, to me, I felt like
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: definitely more so than the previous two movies, and I
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: know this might seem a little hypocritical after, you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: me kind of ranting on the Joker a little there,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: but I feel like, to me, this is the one
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: where they tried to be sincere to the comic universe.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And this is the one where if you've read the comics,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you will connect more.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Cause like there is an animated feature called Batman. It's
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: either assault on Arkham or attack on, on Arkham. I
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: think it's assault on Arkham and it's a suicide squad movie.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And that I would be shocked if that was not
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: the blueprint for this, because in that one, you have
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: a suicide squad put together and, very early on they
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: have explosive things put in their necks very early on
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: one of them is like fuck you i'm not doing
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: this amanda waller pops his head right in front of
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: them and then they're like oh shit throughout the the
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: series batman's kind of dropping in and out chasing the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: joker around and by the end of it it's the
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: joker hooking up with harley again i was like this
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: is the one that they're lightly following here so for
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: me i'm like this is the movie interpretation of this
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's why I allowed the allowances because I
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: was like No, yeah, this is them doing a kind
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: of movie version. It can't all be about the Joker
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: because it's called Suicide Squad. It doesn't need to be, really.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: At least the other one is called Batman Assault on Arkham.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: It's not called Suicide Squad. But there were so many
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: similarities between those two. I'm like, no, I kind of feel,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: as someone that has seen this already, so has that
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: as a frame of reference, I feel like, no, I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: get the choices that you made.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Again, I feel like I agree they do seem like
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: they're paying a little more tribute to fans. And they
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: have their little inside references if you want to bother
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: to get them. But again, I think there's moments of
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: so inconsistencies.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Back and forth. Go for it. Bring them out. That's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: my thing.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: We spend all this time on Will Smith. We spend
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: all this time doing the Harley backstory.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: And then we're like, okay, we're getting ready to take off. Hey,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: here's Slipknot.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Wait, what?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Where did this guy come from?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: And like.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Again, there is a geeky reference buried in there if
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: you want to go for it. But as a story,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's, oh, here's this guy. Okay,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: why is this guy here? Oh, we need to test
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: this thing. We need stakes. We need to make sure
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: that the audience understands. Why don't they just walk off? Like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: why don't they just say, screw you, flag. I'm going
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: to do my own thing. We have to have an example.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: We have to have a red shirt.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: He comes in to be the red shirt, so we
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: can be like, well, okay, I guess they're probably.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, they just blew that dude's head off. Yeah. We
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: need an example to make the story work. Did you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: need a backstory for the guy whose head was going
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: to pop?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: No, but why did we give you all the rest
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: of them?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: It felt like he was inserted just to do that.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: If we would have.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Gotten the team all together at the same time, devoted
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: about as much time to... Again, I don't think all
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: of them needed... I don't know that any of them
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: needed a 15-minute backstory.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: It's like... Like I said, I feel like that beginning
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was the extra shots because of the fact that it
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: was so selective on the people it chose. It just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: seems to me, Neophyte, I've never wrote a thing, but
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: it seems to me if you were going to write
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: a story that started out with the origins of the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: people you're about to see, that you would touch on
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: all of them. You would do all of them. And
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: you didn't. But we devoted so much time to the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: select ones that we know are the money. Because frankly,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: it was the ones that mattered. I wouldn't even say money.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it's like chicken or the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: egg thing there. Because here's the thing, again, in Assault
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: on Arkham, the one that I think this is very
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: heavily based on, Deadshot and Harlequin hook up. I mean,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: you know, they hinted at it in the movie, but
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: in that, they do have sex. So there is sexual
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: tension between them, and they are the main two in that. Like,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Captain Boomerang is your comic relief. He's got a clique
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: that really likes him and stuff, but it's like He
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: throws boomerangs. You know, I mean, that's the thing with
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the Suicide Squad is they are B-grade. You know, like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the Slipknot dude can climb anything. I got ropes. You know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: it's like... They're really fancy ropes. Stuff like that where
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: you're like, all right. But no, you know, I feel
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: like that's why they cast Will Smith as Deadshot. And,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: you know... margo i mean as hard because like these
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: two are gonna be they're gonna carry this fucking squad
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: they are the two that matter in this squad.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I i agree and like at the same time i
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: think that's the backhanded end of it i'm just like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: so obviously they're the important ones and they're who the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: story is going to be about so fuck all the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: rest of these guys and it kind of feels that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: way i'm like we get midway in before we realize
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: who the hell diablo is and i'm like I actually
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: like that structuring of the backstory better. I'm like, if
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: you just would have done that, if we came in
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: and we just had Will Smith working out in a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: cell and we had Harley doing her flips and shit,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: and that's it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: That's all we got.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: And later, we kind of work in a little flashback here.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: We get a little piece of their backstory. So you really, like,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: we could be introduced to all of them, including Slipknot,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: and then we don't have to do a backstory with
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: him because he's dead.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: But it feels like it's balanced. It feels like it's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a little more of a normal way to set up a.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a Dirty Dozen movie, essentially. It's like,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: it's setting up all these guys on the team. You
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: said Dirty Dozen, like, Ayers literally said that was his motivation.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Because what, he's done like three war movies. And apparently
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: he said his mentality for Suicide Squad was Dirty Dozen,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: but in a comic book form. Like, out his mouth, like,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: going into it, he said that was a movie that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: he was... It's just oddly balanced.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not writing it off because of that, I'm just like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like either all or nothing, or again, I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: kind of prefer the that come in cold and then
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: subtly work in little flashbacks, give us just the amount
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: we need.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Cause I think Katana is perfect.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Like her over there talking to her sword is fucking
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: crazy and awesome. And I'm just like him giving just that, Oh,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: this is what I heard about her backstory. And like,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: we're getting it the way everybody else is.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh, that's kind of cool and weird, and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I like her. So I was sold on her from
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the beginning.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: I was just like, I don't know who she is,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: but she just stepped onto the helicopter like a badass.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: You know what? She's a badass. I didn't have to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: have a backstory. She just stepped on and was fucking
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: in charge, and I'm like, yep, she's a badass. I think,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: and again, I don't want to say over and over
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: and over throughout this, but again, I'm just, there is
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: going to be a lot of allowances made on me
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: That I'm going to make because, you know, I have
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: that comic reference and I'm just geeking out because I'm
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: seeing something I love on screen. So for me, even
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: though they didn't do everybody, the ones they did, I just,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I had wood in the theater. Like that, the fact
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: that they had that shot with Deadshot getting the draw
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: on Batman and his daughter there, to me, that was great. Beautiful.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: That shot with her like, Daddy, don't do it. I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: was like, thank you.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: That would have been a really cool flashback scene midway
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: into the movie.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I actually like that scene. But then
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: him getting caught was the flashback later. Him actually getting
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the drop on him. But that should have just been it.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we needed both halves of that.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I think we could have come in cold and then
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: later we get a little bit of both of them
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: and it gives us all we need with him because
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: we need to understand the daughter. That is his motivation.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: That is damn near who his character is it is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: the reason he.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Goes on I hear a lot of people saying like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: oh you know you know he was complex in the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: sense that you know he's a killer but he was
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: a good guy so he wasn't I've heard people you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: know that like he wasn't believable as a bad guy
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: it's like he's Leon the professional if you haven't seen
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: that movie oh my god go back and watch it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: definitely he doesn't kill women and children he's another not
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: that he isn't evil like I was describing you know
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: to like my girlfriend I was like he's not evil
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: He kills for money. He's not evil. He has a skill.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: It's a profession. He kills for money. And it's like, yes,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: killing is bad, but he doesn't enjoy it like, oh
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: my God, this is so much fun. I'm going to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: go out and kill for fun. He kills for money.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do it for recreation. And there is a reason.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: It's not just for his daughter, obviously, but... there is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: a part of him that wants to be redeemed. Like,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: he's a complex character, and I get that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: He's not a sociopath. Like, he understands what he's doing.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: He makes that choice, but it's not like he just
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: doesn't understand that, like, oh, he doesn't realize he's hurting,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: but no, he fucking knows. That's why he charges so much. Like,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: he realizes the stakes that he's up against, and how,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of hefty this thing is that he's dealt,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: you know? I'm like, I kind of want to come
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: back to that bigger point later. That's kind of a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: thing I want to touch on later. But before we
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: totally leave Slipknot, that is, I don't know how far
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: back your geeky references go, that is a straight up throwback.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: To a specific comic.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Whereas they're in some sort of weird scenario once again.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they're on some weird island or something,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: but I was looking at it today, and it's like
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: they have bracelets that are explosive. And it is Boomerang
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: who wants to test the bracelets. And he's like, oh,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think these are real. Go over there and try.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: And dude's like, okay, I'm going to go for it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: And he's going to escape, blows his arm off. So
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: it's exactly that same scenario that is a direct throwback
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: to a comic.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I give him geek cred for that.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I really think that's a mysterious ingredient here. I think
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: that people... that it was, you know, to use the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: phrase deep cut, I think that they, on this one,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: they did want to include actual comic book reference. You know,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: like really kind of try to please the fans a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: bit more and go like, look, here's stuff from the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: comics on screen. Like not us re-envisioning as much. Here's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: like scenarios and things that you know about. And, you know,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I think if you have that frame of reference in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: your mind, you're just like, wow, I just saw that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: on screen. And that to you, Instead of, like, someone
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: coming cold and it's just like, well, that was a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: little weird. You know, you're like, oh, no, but that's this.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: You know, they were showing you this. See, it's like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I give them geek points for giving the nod to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: the old school.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: But it's one of those, okay, but I bet in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: that comic book we didn't just figure out who Slipknot
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: was two minutes before. So, once again, it's like, in
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: the comic book, I bet they established his character. And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: I bet there was, like, a rapport between him and Boomerang. And, like,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: that was the whole stakes of why he was doing that. And, like,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: there's a reasoning behind it. Where this just feels jammed
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: in there because we needed that plot point to be there. Like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: we needed it to make sense for the rest of
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: this plot to work. So, we have to have an example.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: We have to have somebody to sacrifice.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's jam this in. But we'll make a geek
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: reference so it makes it okay. And I kind of... Yes,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't necessarily make it okay from a structure.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's very choppy moments in this movie,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: and some of it may be. I think you referenced
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: them cramming together several scripts. So it may be a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: problem from that standpoint.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: It may be an editing problem. I saw again with
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: people talking about David Ayer and just everything in the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: process I before the reshoots happened it sounds like there
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: was a Fantastic Four thing where like they had a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: version of it done they sat in a room and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: watched it and the DC suits were like no like No.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: And so that's when the reshots happen. So I can't help.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: You know, what gets me is there's a part of me,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of, you know, two sides of the corner.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Was the reshoots the beginning? Or was the reshoots the end?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Because part of me feels like you could almost arguably
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: say that Enchantress was shoehorned in as the villain. Because
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: if there was so much Joker stuff, what's to say
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: that it didn't end with the Joker ending? And they
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: didn't go, look, CGI, this fucking bad guy, Enchantress brother thing.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I have problems with that. Then I'll come back to you, too. Because,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: you know, there's... I go back and forth. I'm like,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of CGI in M,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, it could have probably been done as reshoots. Like,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: who knows that maybe they didn't take the Joker out
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: and put her in the end as the big bad. Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: And the beginning was already there. It's really hard to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: tell where the reshoots happened because the end is so...
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: The final act... I don't want to say jarring, but
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: it's not quite as consistent with the flow leading up
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: to it because it's very tactical. It's like we need
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: to get to point A to rescue this person. We
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: need to get to point A to rescue this person.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: It's just like, out of nowhere, Enchantress is blowing up
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: satellites and attacking the entire world from this building a
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: block away. And it's like, well, that feels weird. Why
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: isn't anyone else then? At least airstrikes should be going
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: on in the military. But it's like, no, we're going
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: to leave it to the B-grade villains to eventually move
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: it up a couple blocks. It felt weird. And just production-wise,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that so much of it was CGI, I'm like, no,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: I can see you putting a bunch of dudes on
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: computers for months and months and months to create that ending.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Since we're there, I mean, do we want to jump
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: to the end and get to my issues with it? Sure,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: because then we can bring it back in on some
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: positive stuff. We'll backtrack, I'm sure.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: But, well, I mean, again, it's not even jumping so
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: much in the plot as much as just, once again,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: it's structure.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And it's not even.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is a specific attack on this movie
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: because this movie does it, but it's just in general.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, why do so many movies of sci-fi, fantasy, whatever,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: specifically in this last run of 10, 15 years, superhero movies,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: why does the villain have to be A, super fucking CG'd, B,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: kind of not really interesting, and C, all of the,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: if it involves more than one person, all of the.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: bad guys, henchmen, whatever.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: Are the most faceless, literally in this case, useless, most boring, generic,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: quote unquote, bad guys, because we need a bunch of
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: extra people to kill on the way to get.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: To the big bad. But we gotta keep it PG-13,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: so they can't be human beings. So they can have.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Rock heads, or whatever the hell they are. That all
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: felt generic as hell. Again, there's so many other things
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: I like along the way, but that whole villain angle.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: And it's weird because it comes from a place that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I kind of liked. I think in the beginning, Enchantress
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: is creepy as hell. That fucking changeover with the hand
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: on the table. That was fucking cool. I was just like,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: thank you, Zack Snyder. Let me get this in real
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: quick then. Let me just drop in because you're not
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: going to hear me say this very often. There were
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: so many scenes in this movie where I just wanted
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: to give Zack Snyder a hand job. That's all you do.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: That scene with Harlequin in the red and black and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: the Joker in the tux, that like five seconds, you know,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: of that kingdom come shot with them kind of like dancing.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. That was visually stunning. The Joker, like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: jumping into the acid after Harlequin. Awesome. Dead shot on
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the car, just pinning the one shots. Awesome. There was
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: so many scenes for me where I was like, this
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: is fucking awesome. Just fights. I know a lot of
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: people are like, you know, the fights are boring. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, I enjoyed the fights. I liked Harlequin
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: kicking and batting everybody. I liked Boomerang just being Boomerang,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Katana cutting people, Will Smith shooting. For me, I was like, no,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Matrix action. It was generic in a sense
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: that it was a series of action shots. It wasn't
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: like choreography where you could show this person jumping here
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: and going here, but... To me, the action was exciting
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: enough where I was like, no, I did this. Everyone's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: fighting and it's chaotic and it's... For the most part,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be super Matrix-y kind of fight
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: scenes because for the most part, they're all real people.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Outside of Diablo, everybody else are just kind of skilled.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: That's what bugs me when Waller early on referred to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: them as metahumans.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Metahumans.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you have one, maybe two. Harley's a crazy person. One,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: maybe two. Deadshot's just good. Deadshot has no power. Katana's good.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Diablo is a meta. Enchantress is a meta. Slipknot just
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: has a fucking grappling hook. Yeah. Who else? Boomerang just
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: throws boomerangs. Yeah, he just throws boomerangs. Although he does
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: have GPS on his boomerangs. That was a little weird.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: He was a weird character. He's meant to be weird.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: He's meant to be goofy and weird.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: I feel like we almost don't spend enough time with
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: him to get why he's supposed to be. I feel
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: like we focus so much, and don't get me wrong,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: those other two are my favorite too. They need to
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: have the bulk of the movie, but I feel like
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: the rest we don't. I kind of wanted a little
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: more time with Katana because.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: She does seem awesome.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I like that we don't know a ton about her,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: but I could have used an extra scene with her
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: because I feel like she added something cool to the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: dynamic and seeing her in regular conversation, which usually involved
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: her not talking, was kind of fun.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: So I could have seen.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: More of scenes of her in Boomerang and worked in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: some more of these other characters that, again, it sort
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: of fleshed everybody out a little better.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that. I mean, that's, that's going
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: back to the enchantress thing. Like, I feel like that's that,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: that part is so cool. That beginning of her suddenly
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: turning into a horror character from a Japanese horror movie.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, when she's just curled up on the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: table with her hair in her face, I'm just like,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: that was fucking creepy. I'm okay with that. Like her
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: jumping around, doing the stuff in the boardroom. I'm like,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: that was all really cool. And I'm like, okay, she's
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: a cool character. And I was kind of hoping they
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: were keeping her more involved in the team and what
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: was going on.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Which she never did. Which she never did.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was literally the villain right out the gate.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: She was immediately shoved into the villain area. Yeah, that's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: what surprised me is I assume, because I had heard
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: that she's the ultimate villain. I kind of had that spoiled,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: if you want to call it spoiler, but... Part of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: me was like, oh, well, she's going to turn on
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: him at some point. So I was just surprised it
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: was like immediate. It was like, oh, she's not even
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: on the team. She is the big bad right out
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the gate. So, yeah, I kind of would have rather
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: seen what she could do in context with the team
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: or in conjunction with the team. But we don't get
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: any of that.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: She's just immediately gone and gone from the movie a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: lot of the time. We cut back to her a
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: few times after the brother recruitment.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Then she's just kind of gone a long time. Then
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: we're like, oh yeah, that's the bad guy. I forgot.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: We were going after something.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of an issue for me is just
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: how generic that finale becomes because I feel like so
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: many of them, like even movies I like, like even
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: superhero movies I like, that's my big criticism for the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: first Avengers movie.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: There's no villain. Like, Loki is Loki and we love him.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: The, the, Alien creatures are nameless, faceless, generic, interchangeable things
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: that we kill over and.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Over and over again. Thanos' soldiers. But yeah, Thanos wasn't
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: there to lead them. Thanos isn't there. There's no villain.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: It's just a giant metal transformer ripping through the sky.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: The stinger. And nameless, faceless dudes.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, don't get me wrong. Those action scenes
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: are awesome. But they'd be a little better if we
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: actually had a real villain there to kind of tie
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: it all together.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people... I shouldn't act like
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I know I'm here. I think a lot of people
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: devalue the villain. I think that's why Batman works. Batman
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: has so many great villains. I think the screenplay is devalued.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I think in a lot of
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: these movies, they get so hung up on the hero,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: on the antagonist, that the protagonist is kind of a throwaway.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, and he'll fight this. No, you need
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: someone to make You need someone on an even playing
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: field with that guy to bring them up. A perfect
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: way to balance the seesaw, look at Disney.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: The heroes in Disney movies, a few occasional exceptions, are
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: the most boring people.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: You could care less. Who do you remember?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: The villains in those Disney movies are creepy and evil
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: as hell.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: You know the evil queen.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you are like way more invested in
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: their story and you're like, oh, and they got to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: get beat at the end because that's the way a
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: fairy tale works. But I'm like, they understand how to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: do villain. It's like, it's almost villain first with them.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: It's like, what awesome, creepy villain can we come up with?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Who can we find to kill your parents and wreck
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: your life?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, and we can come up with a princess and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: a dude with a sword to come save things later.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: But for the most part, we need a memorable villain.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: And it's like, they didn't learn that lesson going into
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: the most action movies anymore. But superhero in particular, it's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: just like, And then they need to fight a big
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: CG thing at the end.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: That's always the tag at the end. I wouldn't know.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, who do you have them fight? I mean,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: the thing is, I don't even know who to tell you.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: I was trying to come up with good examples. I mean,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: go back to, again, well, it's still DC Universe, but
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like, look at the one movie that everybody for
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: the last, you know, ever since this started goes to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: as like your example of a great movie that's not
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: really a superhero movie, The Dark Knight. It's one guy,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: and he does not have superpowers.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: He's just insane. And, like, he's such a great villain.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: And, like, it's some of its performance, but at the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: same time, it's written to just be a guy, one guy,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: not 15 villains, because we.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Also don't learn that lesson. So it's one guy, and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: it's one guy who's not CG ever. He's wearing a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: crazy suit. That's it. You know what was extra... Sort
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: of insulting about having Enchantress's brother, who never got a name. Yeah,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: he's just... I mean, if my sister was in a room,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I would call her by her name. I would go, sister,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: sister this, sister that, sister this. You always call her that.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I've seen you do it. And it's just like, she
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: called him brother throughout the whole thing.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: If you go and look it up, I don't ever
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: remember her saying that.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that came out of her mouth
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: the whole time. She just called him brother the whole time. Yeah,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: he's listed on IMDb as Incubus. But I think what
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: made that extra... I shouldn't say insulting, but just unacceptable
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: or glaring is that you have Killer Croc in a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: prosthetic and then you have a villain in CGI. It's like,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: why was it okay for Croc and not okay? Maybe
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: because we crammed that part in at the end really quick.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: The extra footage was the end. It's like, we don't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: have time to act out. Or maybe both. How much
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: time did they have to devote to this? Maybe the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: ending and the beginning weren't there, and that was all
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Joker stuff. And then Ayer was, because from what I hear,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Ayer himself was not a big fan of the Joker.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I know Leto and Ayer have some beef.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: Or did we even have those intros in the beginning
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: before we needed to have a Batman cameo and a
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Flash cameo? Maybe it did start cold with them because
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: we've got those flashbacks that always come up later. Like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Harley has a ton of them with Joker later in
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: the movie. the Will Smith one comes in later in
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: the movie again. So it's like, maybe they were always
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: supposed to be later in the movie. And then at
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: the last minute they went, oh, we got to shuffle
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: all this stuff around and we got to give them
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: backstories so that we can work these cameos in to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: get Justice League set up.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: And it was filmed a bit different.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Like if you, and I don't know if it was
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: meant like to be done on purpose in a sense
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: to kind of maybe change the cinematic style to make
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: you realize you're in a flashback, but it was much
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: more of like, quick-shifting scenes or really glaring color or blurred.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of visual stuff going on in
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: those early flashback scenes, like bright pink-blue colors behind things.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Especially the Joker-Harley stuff. It was very colorful in the
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: backgrounds and stuff during those early scenes that weren't there
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: for the core movie.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: Again, that's one of those where I'm like, sometimes there's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: just editing issues because that thing with Joker and Harley
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: in the club with.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Later, I was like, wait, was that common? I was like,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: was that common?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: It almost made no sense the way it was edited.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: I was like, did I just miss something there?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: And that's the script.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Because that was the thing. And that's why I kind
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: of said that most of my gripes were in things
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: that usually the Joker was in. Because here's a scene
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: where you have this dude walks up to Joker and essentially, hey, man,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: good to see you back in town. Let's do this.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Let's make some money. And then the Joker just kind
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: of looks over like, yeah, there's my girl. And he's like, hey, girl,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: come on over here. Come sit on his lap. And
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: he's just like, whoa, hey, this is your girl. I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: don't want to insult you. He's playing it right the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: whole time. And then it turns into, oh, you won't
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: want to touch my girl? Pal, you're dead. And I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: was like, what was the scene going to be? What
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: were they going to talk about? What was the point?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: If there was an earlier, if that scene was longer.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: And there was something where somebody was like, hey, that
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: dude that screwed you over, Joker, he's here now. And
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: you knew he was going to kill him off the bat.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Then it'd be like, okay, we're going to see him
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: kill a dude. But when it's done, like, he's just
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: here to do business and you killed him for no reason.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: It seems out of the blue.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: And at the same time, it's like, well, you were...
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: And not in a good, he's so crazy way. In
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: a badly edited way, it seems like you were going
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: to kill him either way. If he got with your girl,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: get off my girl, I'm going to kill you. Or
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: he doesn't, and he has some respect for her and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: or you, you're going to kill him because now he
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: doesn't want your girl.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: It's like he put him in his catch-22. It's like,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: why did you even have this guy come to the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: club in the first place? Why is this meeting happening?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: It plays out almost like a mob boss scene.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: If you're watching a Goodfellas kind of movie, there's a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: million of them out there. It is one of those,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: he's the godfather guy, and you're bringing in these other
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: guys that are moving into his territory, and he is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: probably going to kill this guy. But there's always, if
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: it's a good one, if you've got somebody like Scorsese
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: behind it, it's going to be a tense scene. It's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: going to be Joe Pesci, you talking to me moment,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, oh shit, this guy's going to die.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: And there's going to be stakes, and there's going to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: be reasons, and there's going to be... It was not
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: that intense.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Edited to make that all work, where this has nothing...
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: None of that stuff. It's just random. It felt like
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to be funny. Yeah, but it wasn't. Yeah,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: it wasn't creepy.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: It wasn't funny. It wasn't tense at all because it
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: made no sense. It really fell flat and it didn't
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: do anything. Here's, again, where I get confused with the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Joker and maybe we can talk about this now. The
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: relationship with Joker and Harlequin, it goes pretty effing counter
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: to the comic in the past. There is the Mad
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Love story arc with Harlequin and Joker to kind of
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: goes into them but it was never like this i
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: mean my impression anytime i'd like you know i run
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: into like joker harlequin you know how they feel about
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: each other is that i've never ever ever ever felt
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: joker ever loved harlequin ever.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: I've had somebody bring this up recently I was listening
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: to and they said something and it was so disconnected
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: that it was one of the few things I like
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: attached because I've been thinking that a lot too and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: then actually Misty and I have been talking about this
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: one of the conventions she was talking about like you
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: see these people and they go like couples dressed in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: like this is the kind of.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Love I want I'm like a couple of murderers one
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: of which doesn't care about the other and is a
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: complete sociopath and the other one's just insane there's so
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: many times in a comic where like something is about
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: to blow up or a bunch of his goons are
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: about to die and he leaves leaving harlequin with them
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: and then stuff will blow up and she'll live and
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: she'd be like oh silly joker he loved me and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: she's just sort of dopey and in denial.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Of it more denial i feel like because as you
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: go on you realize she's not dumb she's just blind
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: like completely sappy puppy dog level of in love with
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: him so much though that she will forgive everything.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: And that's the, in that description that I heard, it
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: was like, does Joker actually love Harley Quinn? The way
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I heard it described. And I was like, I like
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: this description. Probably not because he probably does not understand
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: how to love.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: He is so mentally damaged. He doesn't even understand love.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: But he created her. So he is probably very proud.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Of the thing that she now is. She's like his
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: progeny in a way.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she is his prize at this point of, look
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: at this wonderful pillar of society.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: That I screwed up.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: And it was all my doing. And now, look, she
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: does my bidding. And so I feel like there is
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: a pride to her. There is an ownership probably.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: But not really a give and take couplehood love. I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: never felt like he considered her an equal. I guess
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: that's the best way to put it is, you know,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: let alone love. I don't even, I feel like he
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: feels like she gets him. But I never felt like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Joker would ever think of her as an equal.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: I always kind of liked the animated series version, which, again,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: is where she came from. But I'm like, almost more
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: of them together because it wasn't even like it was
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: in question. He just seemed annoyed by her. Like she was, again,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: going back to cartoons, she was the little bouncing dog.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: It's the stalker fangirl that he's like, God, are you
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: here again? He's the Spike Bulldog. Hey, Joker, what are
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: we going to do today? Who are we going to
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: go kill? This is going to be great. We're going
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: to be fun.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: She's just always peppy and excited. And again, that's just
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: her nature. She's not doing it on purpose.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: She just is the way she is.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: And he's glad that he created her and made her
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: a crazy person. but he's kind of annoyed at her
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: all the time too. Cause she's so damn perky and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: happy and she loves him and he doesn't care. And like,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: so I feel like there's always like in the anime,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: he'd always be like, like he would just be so
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: disgusted with the fact that he is stuck with her sometimes.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Stop and get you some ice cream.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: But I feel like now what, where I'm, I'm kind
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: of on the fence with liking it now. Cause there's
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: part of me, it's like, I, I do think it
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: will be interesting. And I, I'm sure this is probably
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: going to make people angry, this new route. But I
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: do think it can be. I'm not saying it is,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: but I think it can be interesting having this love
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: between them because I feel like what you're kind of– because,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: you know, they always want to be more grounded, more real,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: them as in DC. So I feel like what they're
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: doing to be more grounded and real with Joker and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Harlequin are going to natural-born killers route. There's a couple
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: of serial killers who, as far– up as they are,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: they do somehow manage to love each other.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: Again, as I said, I have no problem with people
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: taking it a different way if they do it interesting,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: if they do it kind of original.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: That is a different take on it. And I will
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: give you... It would also give.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: And maybe you don't want this from Joker. Maybe this
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: is the wrong villain to do it. But I'm like,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: it gives him motivation. Like, in this movie, he's specifically
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: coming back for her. And in this version, it's not
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: out of ownership.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: It's out of love. Yeah, because the two times they're
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: being honest with her, they kiss right off. And it's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: very dramatically... So, I mean, they're going more of like...
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: a tragic Romeo and Juliet. Oh, they just can't be
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: together because they keep locking them up version.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're taking it a different way, which, again,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it fits the Joker mentality, but
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: it would be interesting to see. And it's certainly more
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: of the way... Jared's playing him.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Like I said, that's where it gets fuzzy. Like, I
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: don't mind that they're going, you know, this actual love
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: route with them. But for me, I just, I couldn't,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: I just, none of Leto's scenes landed for me. Every
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: time he had a Joker scene, I just kind of
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: ended going, I don't know what I just saw.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Because, like I said, he's not consistent. And I don't
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: mean to sound like I don't understand him playing a
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: chaotic personality because it's not that either. It's just literally
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: there is so many variations in his inflection, in his cadence,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: in his facial expression. They're so different. That there's no
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: personality here. It's just all over the place. And like
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: I said, not in a way that's charming. It's not
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: like a clockwork orange. He's going to start singing in
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: the rain and it's going to be weird and quirky.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: It's just like, dude, make up your mind. Are you
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: going to be smiley and sadistic? Are you going to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: do the growly voice and be sadistic? Are you crazy?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Or maybe have a reason for all those. But again,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: that becomes more... You've got to land somewhere. That becomes schizophrenic.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: We've got Two-Face for that.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Do we need the Joker to also have a different
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: personality for every time he does something?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Not really.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: They already kind of muddy those waters on Gotham and
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: the Riddlers.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: It's weird how I hate to... Well, I don't hate
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: to say it, but just to own up, I feel
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: like Zack Snyder kind of saved some of their scenes because,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: like I said, that... There was no preface for it.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: But the whole conversation about jumping into the acid, it
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: felt like it was out of nowhere. But I thought
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: that scene was great. Just the way I think that was,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: to me, the impression I got is that was the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: moment the Joker himself realized he cared. Because he was
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: talking his psychiatrist into killing herself. And he starts leaving.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, God. Damn it. And he takes
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: off his coat and dives in. And getting a little
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: bit of humanity in the Joker was really fucking interesting
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: to me. I was like, holy fuck. That's the Joker
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: showing love. That looked cool. And that to me was like,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: imagine if you run with that. I'm going to get
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: real geeky for two seconds. In animators, always this fucking
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: thing where the strongest warriors are the ones that can
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: have emotional content. That's what always takes their power to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: the next level when they can incorporate their emotion. What
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: if that's what makes the Joker insane is that he
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: feels love. So it almost like makes, it almost escalates
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: his whole spectrum. Like everything he feels is like on
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: this nuclear level.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: Everything filters through the fact that he cares about somebody
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: and that pisses him off.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Crazy, crazy. It's one thing to like not give a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: shit about doing stuff. And now he doesn't. has something
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: to give a shit about like if batman fucks with
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: harley now now joker's like oh bats you crossed the
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: fucking line you touched my girl i mean so i
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: think there's there might be method to this madness pun
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: intended i don't know if i give leto needs to
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: fucking get on board like someone needs to sit down
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: with leto because i'm not putting it all on him
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: because i kind of feel like he didn't get clear
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: direction i don't feel like These scenes could have happened
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: if he was instructed well. I feel like someone needs
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: to go, look, I get you. You're a method actor.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: You want to bring dead pigs to the cast for
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: the reading. You want to tell everyone on staff you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: will not join in on anything that the only time
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: they will see you is on set. You want to
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: give everyone dead rats. You want to mail them used condoms.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: You want to do all this creepy shit to fuck
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: with everybody. then at least know who the fuck you
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: are on screen.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Because his real-life creepiness sounds like it's more Joker than
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: the on-screen Joker.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, he seems equally as weird off-screen as Joker,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: and probably a little more so, what little I know
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's why, because you were describing your
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: take on the Joker scenes.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: To me, it's like, that's why I don't think I
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: had a strong reaction to it. I was just kind
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: of meh. across the board, on the Joker. I'm like,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: every scene that he's in, other than occasionally the visuals,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: would be good. Right.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, him as a character, him as a presence,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, eh. Like, he's not, like I said,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: he's just- He did not own the screen.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: He's just Jared Leto in it up.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: Like, I feel like that's Jared Leto doing his thing
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: on screen right now.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: He's dressed as the Joker, but I'm watching Jared Leto.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: He's dressed as a Juggalo. Like, I'm sorry. Well, yeah.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to- That's the new world Joker. Like,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: I don't, that's what really bugs me. I would not
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: have a problem. You know, my, my aesthetics, whatever, like
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: my study doesn't mean anything to the world, but I
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: do have to say for me, the hair was too neon.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: If they would have roped it in a little cool.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: And if you're going to have them decked in tattoos,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: just take them off the face. At least I'm not
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: a fan of the grill either, but the problem is you,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: you put all that together and me being someone that
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: worked at hot topic for a decade, I just see
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: a goddamn juggalo. It's so hard not to see a Juggalo.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: And that won't be a problem for the whole world.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: But for me, that is a strike against them.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: I think it's a generational thing. I think we were
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: talking about the millennial thing. I think that's what most
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: of this cast is like.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: It's not your.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Dad's superhero supervillains anymore. So everybody feels the same thing
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: with Diablo. I'm like, that's something I will almost, I guess,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: give the studio credit.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Warner Brothers.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Seems like a huge institution and would probably follow old
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: school studio rules. They took all of these people, with
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: the exception of our two stars.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: And uglied them up.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Because Jay Hernandez is a handsome dude.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: He's got so many fucking tattoos, fake, mind you, but still,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: that character is so covered in tattoos.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: What a dude that plays Killer Croc, not that he
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: needs to show through, but Echo from Lost, I love
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: that guy. He's a male model. Like, that's where he started.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: He's a male model. You hid his face. It's the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: same thing with fucking Idris. Not the tree branch, it's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: the same thing they did with Idris on Star Trek.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you took this amazing black actor and you
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: put a fucking prosthetic on his face. Stop it. Black
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: people aren't here to play creatures. They are humans. Empress
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: is one of the biggest models in the world.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: She is on half the magazine covers out there right now,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: and you made her look like a creepy goth chick.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: And I like that part, because once again, I'll say
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: her as a regular person, eh. Her when she was
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: gothed up, I was like, okay, she's kind of hot now.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: Once again, my creepiness coming through. That's how I feel
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: like the girl that plays Scarlet Witch. I'm like, oh,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: and it's like, yeah, she's cute, and then I saw
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: her as Scarlet Witch, and I'm like.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: No, she's kind of hot.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, she's kind of cute. No,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: she's cute.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: But no, that's my thing. I was like, as a studio,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: that's an odd move for them.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: And I think that's them, again, steering into the millennials.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: They're just like, well, they don't want things to be
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: old school.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: They don't want them wearing underoos and looking pretty.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: They want people that look like people that shop at
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Hot Topic, I guess.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: They want people that look.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Like people they know. And everybody has tattoos now. So
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: everybody in the cast gets some tattoos.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: I would say it looks much more Hot Topic now. No,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: I was saying that the studio is using that as
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: their test run.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: I completely understand why Topic has some exclusive rights with them.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh no, this is definitely targeting the Mallrats. Aesthetically,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: the way the characters were re-envisioned is aesthetically a very Mallrat,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: millennial kind of look.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: Except our money. Again, they were like, Does he wear
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: the mask a lot? No, we really want to see
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: Will Smith's face.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: It was strange how he didn't have it on as much.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: They worked it in. I don't blame him. He's Will Smith.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: You're not going to pay that much for Will Smith
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: and then cover his face up the whole damn movie.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, croc guy? Eh, not that many people know him.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Will Smith, everybody on the damn street knows what he
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: looks like. You do not cover up his face. Maybe
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: one eye. I was really happy with him. I hadn't
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: enjoyed Will Smith in a movie, and I can't remember
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: how long. I haven't seen a lot of the later ones.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even know why. I just don't care. Most
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: of his movies are just so, I just feel like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: he just calls them in, you know, recently. But this one, like,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: it was the first in a long time. Like, I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: think probably since, like. Men in Black and Independence Day.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: It was the first one in a long time where
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: it was like... I still love I Am Legend. The
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: end is weird, but his performance... I can never.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: His performance is fucking good.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: I love that book. Love that book. It's a different medium.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: But it didn't... That did not have to be. Man,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: we can treat... I can do a whole other podcast
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: on how upset I am with that movie. I love that...
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: We can return to that. It's one of my favorite books.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: We can return to that. And to take it from
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: vampires and to make it a disease that created zombies
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: to give him the dog right out the gate when
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: the dog, him getting a partner was such a huge
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: part in the book. And then the dog dies like
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: days later when he finally gets it. That book is
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: so good. It's only like 200 pages. And I adore
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: that book. And they completely... They didn't even have to
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: name it Iron Legend, and they wouldn't have got sued.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Don't call it that. That's what
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't know why you can be mad
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: at that one other than it uses the title, but
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, none of them are like the book. How
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: many times can we make a movie on a book
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: and not do the book?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: That's why you don't try to make the book and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: the movie even.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: anywhere near each other. Like to me, if you love
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: the book, just love the book. So much of a commercial.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Let's sell you bacon and eggs. Let's sell you Shrek.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Let's sell you this new Mustang, whatever he's driving in
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Let's sell you Batman versus Superman. Which I said.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: I said that I am legend in prophecies of the future.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Zombies are coming, people. All we needed. I dug Will
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Smith in this, and it felt good to like Will
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Smith again. It's been so long since I got behind him.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's good in it.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Again, my other end of my Jared Leto's performance is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: almost forgettable.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: Marco Roby is good.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: It would be easy to come down on her because
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: she is the focus of the movie.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: She's certainly the focus of the ad campaign. She is
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: going to get all the attention.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: She needs to be. Like I said, she's the equivalent
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: of Deadpool for DC. Not in that she's the fourth
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: wall breaker, but in the sense that if you go
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: to cons, if you go to big geeky things, you're
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: going to see two people in the majority being cosplayed,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Deadpool and Harley Quinn. And I don't even see that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: many Deadpools really compared to Harley Quinn.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: And that's been that way for a while. Like Harley
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: Quinn was big when there was no reference.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that we've gone this long and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: this is the first live action version of her we've
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: ever seen.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: And like, I feel like she nails it. Like it's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: not exactly. One time it felt forced. There was only
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: one time her dialogue felt forced. And that's when Batman's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: on the car. And she says Batsy three times. If
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: she would have said it once. But when he jumps
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: in the car, she's like, Batsy, Batsy, Batsy. I'm like, oh,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: come on. That's just, Joker's right there. You could have
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: just went, it's Batsy. That would have been fine. But
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: her saying it three times, like, what are you saying
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: it three times for? Or is she just some sort
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: of nursery rhyme? Oh, no, that. I'm glad you said that.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: That is one moment that was cheesy for me. When
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: Enchantress rhymed. Do you remember when they were all hiding
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: behind the pillars and she made them see visions of
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: like what they wanted? When she calls them out, it rhymed.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: And I assume it was on purpose because it was something.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: She was busting some mad rhymes, dog. It was because
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: it was something like fright and night. It was something like,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: you know, stop hiding and fright come out into. It
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: was something where she rhymed. It's like, did she just rhyme?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Why did she just rhyme? She was hanging out with Common,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: writing bad rhymes. It was like, out of nowhere, she
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: did something that rhymes. Like, that was a little cheesy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Don't rhyme. Stop rhyming.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: But, no, that's one of those, like, I felt like
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: she was going to take the most heat, so I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: want to heap a little praise on her. Like, I
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: think she doesn't play it straight up like the animated version,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: which is, again, that's the source she would go to, really,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: even more so than the comics.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: The animated series she plays it a little different but
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: I think she modernizes it a little again that was
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: a weird almost film noir kind of world anyway so
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: we need a little modernizing to be in this story
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: and just her own tweak on it and like I
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: feel like both of them work I think right pretty
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: much across the board it also makes her a real character.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: Which is, again, why I think I could care less
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: when the Joker shows up. Because when the Joker shows up,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: she's just a brain-dead love zombie.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: She's just, oh, Joker, blah, blah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: When she's away from him... it forces her to be
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: a real person. It's kind of like that in the series, too.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: I think that was always interesting, the one where she
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: does pair up with Poison Ivy, and they go on.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: That episode is one of the best episodes because you
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: get so much personality out of both of them, and
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: you get this weird dynamic of seeing her as a
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: real person and how she interacts with someone else who's
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: not the Joker. So we see her as a real character, finally.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: So watching her have to... you know, interact with Deadshot
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: and have this weird little chemistry.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, really hook up with Deadshot. Cause like
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: he's way more functional as a human being than Joker.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: You know, they, they had them, you know, being friendly
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: and flirty. But like I said, you know, But there's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: also a little camaraderie.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: There have been meetings where they do literally hook up.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: Literally hook up. That was my favorite part. Yes, it
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: was flirty, but I feel like it was camaraderie. It
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: was like, even amongst these people.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Well, but I like the part where Deadshot saw her
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: texting Joker, and he makes some comment like, you know,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: is that your friend? And then she kind of does
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: that double take, and then, you know, kind of softens
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: up and is like, I could be your friend too.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: And I was like, see, that's what I... That's what
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I like. I liked how she played her sexuality. Because
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: to me, I felt like it wasn't her being a whore.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: It was her playing her sexuality. Again, if it's somebody
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: who knows what they're doing, you use that as a
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: fucking weapon. Not that she wanted to fuck everyone around her.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: But even when she was changing in front of soldiers,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's her throwing people off guard. She's using
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: her sexuality. She knows how to use it. Because again,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: she was a therapist.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Even if she is crazy, she has the knowledge in
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: there to know how to work people. And I think
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: I got the impression she was never an object. She
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: was objectifying herself to use the people around her. And
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: I think that it started off that way with that shot.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: But I think even she was like, no, we're kind
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: of on the same level. It's not necessarily going to
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: work on you. I can treat you. It's like her
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: approach was different with him because she realized it's going
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: to take more than just, booty to get Deadshot.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: And I feel like, again, it was like, in this situation,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: everybody's pretending, like, we know the government running this deal
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: is against us, but, like, we also don't really know
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: the rest of these villains very well, and we've got
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: a weird connection.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: For a second here. I do wish they would have
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: changed that a little, because the thing is, these are all,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: these are all Batman's rogue gallery.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: These are all people that... essentially should only be shouldn't
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: i can't say should but you know according to past
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: comics most of these people if not all of them
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: should only really be in gotham so i would have
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: liked to have seen like maybe instead of you know
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: like you kind of said earlier like hammering in backstories
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: maybe you know having her giving him a nod like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: hey you know i heard about that assassination you don't
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: have one dude you know that was that was a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: crazy shot you know if there would have been something
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: more like i'm because instead of telling us respect And
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: this is, again, you know, I know I've said I
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: like the movie, so me saying, you know, I've got
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: to be fair and say the bad things too. But
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: it's like when, oh, God, I'm going blank. Don't go blank.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: What was it? Just about them knowing each other. Oh, no,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: it would have been better, I think, maybe instead of
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: doing all the backstories, just having them. literally know each other.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: You know, because these guys are all, like, looking at
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: each other, like, for the first time, too. And if
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: they just would, if they would have came together and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: just looked bored, you'd just be like, fuck, you know,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: you here, too? Yeah, fuck, you know. Remember when we
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: were locked up six years ago together? Yeah, that fucking Batman. Goddamn. Like,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: I think that. You could have added 10, 15 minutes
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: of those kind of interactions to just go, no, these
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: guys are very aware of each other. Oh, I know
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: what a pun is. Because I think that would have
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: been more successful than just literally looking you in the
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: face and going, we're bad guys. How many fucking times
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: did they tell you you're bad guys? That phrase, bad guys,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: came out of Amanda Waller's mouth every fucking 10 seconds.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Out of their mouth. When even, like, they are looking
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: at you going, we're the bad guys. We're the bad guys.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: It's in the trailer. Who would ever fucking say that?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: I just stole this purse. Come on. We're the bad guys.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, you're the bad guys. Whoop-de-fucking-do. Like, I understand.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: That leads me to one of the main points I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: want to get to. And at the same time, before
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: I forget, because you just mentioned her, she may be
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: my favorite character.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: She killed it.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Amanda Walder killed it. Because she is beautiful. She was
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: so good. She is so in charge of every scene
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: she is in, even when she's at a disadvantage. One
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: of my favorite scenes is when she cleans that room
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: and walks past Deadshot, and Deadshot's just like, that was gangster.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: That was gangster. That was so, because she, man, when
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: that happened, I was shocked in the theater. I'm not
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: saying I gasped, but I was like, oh, I made
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: some noise. God damn, she just, with no flinch, business,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: just capped like, the whole room. And just like, even
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Deadshot's like, that was gangster. And I was like, I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have done that. Which is why that stinger felt
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: good to me. Like when even she like kind of
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: had to drop on Batman about maybe you should cut
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: down on your nightlife. And I was like, damn, they're
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: making Waller like, but you have to understand again, like
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: maybe if you haven't, you know, I'm familiar with the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: comic book universe. She's a bad guy, is the thing
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: to understand. It's not like she's not a Nick Fury.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: This is not someone where the ends justifies the means.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: In all the comics, she's foul. This woman ends justifies
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: the means to the nth power. That's why I like
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: this version. She's brutal. Because she seems to own up
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: to that. They didn't wuss out on this one. That
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: deadpan look on her face. She's just pissed. Even when
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: they were punking her out at the end, where they
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: were like, you. And she's like, no, fuck you. That's
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I was like, holy F, she's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: killing it. Even at a point when she's at a disadvantage,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: she never falters. She never looks weak. She's unfucking flappable.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: She never looks weak. She's just like, nope, I'm still
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: in charge. No, you're not. Yeah, but I am. I'm
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: just like, damn, you were cool. She kind of trumped it.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: She's always cool, like no matter what. So I like that.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: The villains love me.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, here's my big question, and I have heard other
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: people mention this, so I feel like we do need
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: to address it. And if you're more familiar with the comic,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: because again, I try.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: To go in cold i didn't really want to know
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: but maybe in the.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: Comic it's different or i'm sure as the comic goes
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: on it's different but specifically in this movie.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Why are we using supervillains I understand the concept as
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: they sell this project. They tried to attach it to
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Superman and saying it was to fight an oncoming Superman threat.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: Basically, all she says we need are metahumans. We need
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: metahumans to be able to go up against whatever.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: This is what makes Waller a bad guy in the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: comic universe is that she's just someone who wants power.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: She's just someone that wants power. She wants... It's a
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: little bit of the I don't even trust the superheroes
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Which I'm fine with that. She's not friends with Batman.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: I like that. Like I said, she is a villain.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: But I always felt in the comic stuff that that's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: what made her a bad guy is that she was
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: willing to go this far... To get shit done. It's like,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: this is not what a good person does. I like that,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: and I feel like that's the.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: Point they're trying to make with the overall idea of this,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: and maybe that's the way it is in the comic.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: But the way they set it up in this is like, okay,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: we need the worst of the worst to do the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: dirty work that we... can't officially do want to be
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: able to cover.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Up but need the powers to get it done.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: Not i mean again they don't even have metahumans so
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: i don't even know that they need powers it really
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: could have been without any metahumans well it's the kind
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: of thing but here's my point the fact that if
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: they sent them in to do the kind of unscrupulous
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: shit that superheroes aren't going to do that what i
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: need you to do is we need to eliminate this
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: block You're going to take out a hell of a
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: lot of civilians in the process, but we need to
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: take care of this problem.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: That's going to do it. I need somebody to do
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: that for me. If they were doing that shit, this
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: would make sense.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: If they were asking them to kill innocent victims, if
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: they were asking them to do something that was just
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: sort of against the general code that a normal superhero
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: or decent person would.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: would follow, it would make sense. Okay, we're going to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: bring in criminals, we're going to bring in the worst
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Worst, we're going to ask them to do horrible things
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: for our betterment.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: They're more like black ops. Sometimes, you know, it can
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: be like other country kind of stuff. Like, we need
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: a team to go in over here and get this done.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: Again, that's why it would make sense. Like, that's what
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: Flagg was saying the whole time. I can get you
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: a group of guys to do what you need to do.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: So why, again, like, Especially in the context of this movie.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: Because in the end, it's, oh, we're being threatened and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: we need someone to save the world. If Superman was around,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: wouldn't he just go over and save them and stop
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: this giant hole of garbage.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: In the sky? And, like, why would you need... But
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: Superman's gone at this point.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I know.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, why would you need villains specifically?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Why would you not... Because I think in the context
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: of this movie... They don't really have superpowers minus Diablo.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: So other than that, like, why wouldn't you just send
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: in a team of Flags Black Op guys.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: to go take care of the problem or to find.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why we're selling this like we need
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: them to be villains so they can do horrible things.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: But they're doing the most noble thing. We're going to
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: go save the world. I feel like it changed midway through.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: If I had to play devil's advocate, because I'm not
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: disagreeing with you at all, but if I had to
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: play devil's advocate on that, I would make two points. One,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: I would say that, again, maybe it doesn't work in
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: a movie universe, but in a comic universe, the idea
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: is that as goofy as Captain Boomerang is, he would
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: be a, like, leap thug. He would be able to
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: fuck up the average Joe, right? So it's like, yeah,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: if Batman's in a room, you're toast. But if it's
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: just the average Joe, he would be better than a Marine.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it's the idea that, kind of like what
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: I said before about Hawkeye, like, you know, Hawkeye doesn't
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: have metapowers, but it's the idea that he spent his
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: whole life shooting a bow. So this is, like, the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: best a human could possibly do with a bow. Not
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: that I'm saying that he's like the best a human
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: could do with a boomerang, but it's like these people
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: are so, they fought so much in whatever their style
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: is that they're just really efficient at fighting average people.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: But the second point would be in context of this movie,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe this is part of confusion, maybe I'm not,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: maybe I interpret it this way and I'm wrong, but
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: I felt like The whole movie is a botch. And
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: that's what the point is. They didn't get sent on
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: this mission to fight Enchantress. They were putting the squad together.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: And then it all fell apart. And while the squad
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: was being put, they didn't even get sent on the
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: first mission. It's like, while they were forming the squad
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: in a separate context, the Enchantress shit happened. And they
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: were like, Because remember, the whole movie is actually, spoiler,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: to save Amanda Waller. It's not to kill Enchantress. They
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: got sent in to get Amanda Waller. And that's where
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: you could argue a weird, you know.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really match the movie in a sense that
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: by the time you get to the end, they fight
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: an enchantress by choice.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what makes it weird. Their mission is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: save Amanda Waller. It's not, you know, your mission is
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: to get enchantress.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: But it's like after the Amanda Waller shit happens, that's
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: what's weird is that the bad guys go, well, fuck it.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and do this.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: That's the, that's becomes my other main issue I wanted
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: to get to is like, what, what are we supposed
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: to do with these characters?
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Like, Are we supposed to like them? Oh, I'm right
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: with you on this. Because I'm like... They make them
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: so soft. They bill them as villains, villains. We're the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: bad guys. They say it six times in the movie.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: We're the bad guys. And maybe Croc was the only
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: one that didn't have a soft side? Like, Diablo.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: And even then, Croc really didn't do anything. No, he
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: was just there for the bomb. He was cool for
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: badass stuff, but like... We didn't ever see him be.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they put a hoodie on him. That
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: was so weird to me. I thought that was kind of... Well,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: I liked it because it was him like, look, you
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: won't even notice. It was funny to me. I'm like,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, you've got a hoodie on. You're totally normal now.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: Where do you get a gold velour hoodie to go
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: underneath your leather jacket? I was like, you are a
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: gangster croc. What is going on? But I mean, it
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: was one of those like, I feel like.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: We're setting this up like they're supposed to be villains,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: but by the end, they're all so fucking noble that
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, who are the villains in this universe then?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Well, think of it like this, because like I said earlier,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: this is essentially Batman's rogues gallery. So now if Batman
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: is beating up any of these people, it's going to
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: be awkward, because now you're like, wait, these are kind
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: of good people under the surface. But that shot's got
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: a daughter. Don't beat his ass. Yeah, like they did
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: a very weird thing where they... Yeah, they made them
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: too good. It's one thing to have a complex villain,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: but you made them almost all complex villains. Almost all
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: of them. It's this weird thing where you're almost insinuating that...
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: There are no bad people that good people turn bad
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: across the board.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: What I just thought of was like, okay, what if
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: we go back to that scene that I bet you
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: about because I've seen it 400 times of the guys
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: outside of the theater killing Bruce's parents. So what if
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: we take a little step back and we go, oh,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: but these guys were actually being pressed by the mob
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: to go get them. and, you know, steal this or whatever.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: And like, there's a weird backstory and he was doing
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: it to protect his family. And he like, we all
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: of a sudden give this dude a heart and like.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, well then now why wait, do we side with
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: Batman now? Like, yes, his family got killed, but this
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: guy's family was going to get killed. So who's right.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: And who's wrong. Like, it is just like shades of
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: gray upon shades of gray.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, now there's like, we've, we've just muddied
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: the water so much at this point that I'm like, I,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know anymore.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Like Harley's Harley's craziness will be, At least, you know,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: as far as the context of everything, you'll be able
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: to look past that and be like, yeah, she's evil too.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Deadshot... Especially with the end with him working
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: with his daughter, teaching her math. I'm like, oh no,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: he can never be a bad guy. He can never
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: be a bad guy now.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: He's just a.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: Really skilled dude with a job. The dude literally didn't
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: want to fight the whole time. Every step of the way.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: He's definitely not a bad guy. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: By the end, I'm like, Croc isn't a bad guy
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: as far as we know. He's just kind of a
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: grumpy bastard. She's in love with Rick Flag and you're like,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Holy F, like, who's a bad guy? Everyone is good
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: in this. None of them, really. Like, even Boomerang. Katana works, like,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: apparently voluntarily for the government, so you're a good guy.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: She is a good guy. Kroc is arguably the only one.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, Boomerang is bad, but he's a thief.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: Boomerang is like a thief. That's what I'm saying. He's
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: not bad in the sense that he's killing people.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: He's just a thief. He needs to get put away,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: but not killed. Like, if these were real villains, you'd
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: be like, God, I hope all these die.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, we like all of these people. Like,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: Boomerang's funny, and he's wisecracking. And like I said, Croc
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: isn't even, like, we don't see him do anything bad.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: He didn't eat anybody. He just swims around. He pulled
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: that guy into water, but... He attacks some people. He's
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: good at fighting.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: We get the sense he's badass, but.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: He's not a bad person in the context of this movie.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Do you think it should have been R-rated? Do you
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: think that's what held it back? Would that have changed you?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think they should have went R-rated, had them
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: doing brutal bad guy stuff? Within the context of this story,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: probably not.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: I think you would have to start from letter one,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: retyping this thing, and be like, okay, this is going
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: to be about a bunch of bastards. You're going to
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: not like them, and they're going to have to do
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: a mission. Again, I don't think it can be a
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: save the world mission, even by accident, because we don't
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: want them to be noble at the end.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: If they're still supposed to be villains. If they're villains,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: we're looking at this as they're being foolish Right. to
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: go do something good.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: They should fucking hate it every step of the way,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: and if I could get this damn chip out of my.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: Head, I'd be gone. But by the end, they turn
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: it off. They're gone.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: And, like, they all step up and, like, nope, let's
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: save the world. I'm like, that's a superhero.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: That's a motherfucking superhero. Here's what bugs mean. Again, this
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: is just being fair and calling out plot holes.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Batman exists in this movie. Flash exists in this movie.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not even going to touch Wonder Woman and Aquaman
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: and all the other stuff that's coming. You showed us
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: these two people locking up the majority, if not at
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: least half the team. At least three or more. So
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: where the fuck was the Flash in Batman when Enchantress
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: is destroying the goddamn world? That's what I'm saying. Why
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: did they have to step up and do it? Why
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: was it just left to a couple villains who could
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: have just went home? Why was it left to them?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Why is it? At least at the end if Batman
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: and then would have showed up to recapture them. At
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: least that would have been a nod that they knew
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: that there was shit. Or even if you just peppered
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: in a shot of Batman's busy evacuating something. Flash is
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: busy evacuating something. Wonder Woman is busy evacuating. But you didn't.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: So you gave us the impression that the only people...
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: that could have stopped this situation was the Suicide Squad,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: which goes counter to your whole Justice League buildup. Why
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: did the villains just save the world?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: And again, Amanda Waller being who she is, She has
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: no other contacts. Like, she's got dossiers on fucking everybody.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: Right, she has Bruce Wayne, everyone's dead. She couldn't make
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: a phone call to someone like, hey. She can't flip
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: through a couple other pages and be like, oh, this
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: guy isn't a horrible killer. You do know the world's
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: in trouble over here.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: Can I get your help? You've got metapowers. You're not
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: in prison right now. Can you help me save the world? Like,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: there weren't, yeah, I don't know. I just feel like
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: it's very unbalanced on so many levels.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: How quick could The Flash have solved that?
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: The Flash would have, like, The Flash would have pulled
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: her heart out In a blink of a second, we're done. Okay,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: here's my Flash question. We obviously are hammering in these
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: little scenes to sort of set up Justice League, but
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: in this thing, Justice League isn't a thing yet. Why
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: does Flash have the suit? I understand, like in the
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: last movie, we see him, he's just a kid in
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: the store.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: That's a great point. He has the powers, but why.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: In this shot does he, it'd be different if he just,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: we saw a shot of that kid.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Well, kind of like the gas station shot or whatever,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: where you see him in regular clothes doing his thing. Yeah,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: he grabbed the guy. put him in handcuffs, took him
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: over to the cop car and was gone. I didn't
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: think about that. But then I'm like, what? Did he
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: come through time again to put on the suit and
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: stop this guy?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: Like, if we haven't built the Justice League yet, why
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: does he have a fucking suit with a logo that
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: Lex Luthor put together with his promotional department?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: Like, none of that made any sense to me. No, no,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: it didn't.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: That's like somebody hammering something in and not even thinking
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: about it. I'm like, but you're setting up the movie
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: that you haven't made yet where he would get this
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: suit to.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Be part of the team. Why does he have a
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: fancy looking suit?
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: It's not even like a half-ass homemade, like that early
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: Spider-Man jumpsuit idea.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: No, this was a fancy-ass suit. It wasn't like some
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: ultimate Spider-Man stuff. I'm like... I didn't even think about
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: that point. That didn't make any sense to me. Unless
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: they're going to make it where he had the suit,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: but that Justice League trailer gave me the impression that...
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't know anything about anything. He's just a dumb kid. Well,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: the fact that his snippet was him in regular clothes,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: and then when Bruce is talking to him, he kind
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: of looked like.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: He's like, good, finally I can be a superhero because
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: I have no friends.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: So he wouldn't have a suit made fancy yet, right?
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That just seemed very weird to me. Man,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: you don't... Oh, this is scary. But with all the
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: bad choices... we've seen made i wonder you don't think
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: that justice league will be full of flashbacks do you
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: do you think the league will be put together and
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: in flashback form those scenes are the flashbacks of bruce
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: wayne finding them oh god i mean it would suck
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: but i mean how else do you kind of explain
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: i mean unless you're supposed to believe that this barry
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: allen can make his own gear but I mean, I
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: guess you could do that. He has that kind of,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: it seemed like they're really tailoring him after Peter Parker.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: Like he had that kind of quirky genius kid thing
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: They're also making him super alone, like versus the TV
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: version where he's got a.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: Team which keeps building. Like now he's got like 12
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: people on his side. No, that's a problem with DC
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: in general. Because like I said, I'm reading all these,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: you know, the new versions of everything. You know, there
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: are only like two, three issues in some of them.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: And it's like Batman has three more people in Gotham
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: with him. The Green Lantern has, like, two more people
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: Once again, if we've learned anything, stop sticking more characters in.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: Flash has, like, you know, he just... Actually, in the Flash,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: spoiler if you haven't read issue two, some storm hits
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: Star City and just turns the civilians into Speed Force people.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: That's the way the last issue ended, where, like, the storm... Speedsters.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: The lightning is just hitting people and turning them into Speedsters, so...
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: They have a problem right now with pluralizing their villains
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: or their heroes. And again, maybe it goes back to
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: what we were kind of noting on earlier with DC
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: seeming to have this thing where they don't know how
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: to make a choice, so they throw it out there
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: and get feedback. I kind of feel like maybe that's
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: what they're doing with their comic. Like, well, let's give
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: you two or three versions of a new Batman, see
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: who people like, and we'll run with that one. Yeah,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: we'll kill off the other one. Because now you have
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Gotham and Gotham Girl, and they are superheroes. They're flying
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff. You're like, well, why do you need Batman
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: if you got two... You've essentially got Superman and Superwoman
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: now in Gotham. Why do we need Batman now? And
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, where are you guys going? It's one
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: thing to change Thor into a woman. It's one thing to,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: you know, make Wolverine into a girl. Things like that.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: It's a shift, but at least you're not... You're not
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: creating teams. I mean, how many fucking... You have Batman, Batgirl, Batwoman, Nightwing,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: Two Robins, Red Hood. Why is there still crime in
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: this damn city? Gotham sucks! You've got like a dozen
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: bad people running around now. It's like, what's it going
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: to take? I don't even know how to defend them
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: on that. Again, on the questioning Batman stuff, this is
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: another one that.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: Why, and again, this is them sort of bastardizing the
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: stuff the way they want to, but why is Batman
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: working with Amanda Waller?
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: As we know, she is a horrible person.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: He seems to know everything about everybody, so he has
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: to know she's dirty. So is he really, like, he's
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: so muddy in his morals that he's okay with dealing
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: with her because it gets him what he wants?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: Because that's not the old school Batman. Old school Batman
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: would not put up with criminals. If you were bad, period.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: That was it. He was done. So the fact that
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: he's dealing with somebody that, not just a little dirty,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: like fucking icing people that are on her team kind
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: of dirty. That doesn't make any sense to me. It
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: goes way against him.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Bruce wouldn't. Period. I mean... The
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: thing is, any story I've seen with Amanda Waller in it,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: she would capture Batman in a fucking heartbeat. She's not
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: gonna sit down and talk to Bruce Wayne, insinuate that
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: she knows that Bruce Wayne is the Bat, And I
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: capture him right there. This woman just gunned down an
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: entire room because they might know some shit. You don't
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: think that would have been a sting operation to catch
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: the bat?
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: Everything about everybody in the city and is a private
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: civilian and is not really working the way with her.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, why would she just let him walk out
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: the door and hand him a bunch of stuff?
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't have worked either. Because here's the thing. Again,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: it's fucking Batman. Why does he need to make a
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: deal with anyone? He would have just went in and
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: stole that information. We saw him do shit in Batman
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: v Superman. Why wouldn't he have used espionage to get that?
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: He's not going to make a deal with Waller. It
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. And what did she gain in
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: the deal? I didn't understand what she got out of
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: that deal. She just handed him stuff. It was almost
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: an insinuation he was blackmailing her. There was something there. Again,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: it was unclear. Did she owe him one? Is that
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: what it was? It was like, you owe me one
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: kind of a thing? I didn't understand what... Because he
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: said Wayne Corporation would back her or something. So does
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: that mean he's going to make her... No, he did
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: say something like that. There was something about, you'll have
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: the support of Wayne Corporation or something. I'm like, okay, what?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: So you're going to make them weapons and armor? What
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: does that mean?
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: Like if it's supposed to be like, oh, I'm going
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: to go get these metahumans and put together a team.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: But he specifically says to shut down what you're doing.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: My friends and I will take it. So I'm like,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: he's shutting down her operation or trying to at least.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: He's going to financially support your corporation so he can
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: take down your corporation later?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: At the same time is also like... you like, he
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: knows the kind of stuff that she's up to. I mean, again,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: the bigger point to me is she just said in
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the movie, and she doesn't trust these heroes.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: These, I mean, she specifically wanted villains because they were
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: as shady as she was and she could control them.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: If they're super powered superheroes, like not only are they noble,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: but she can't control them because they're metahumans. So like,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: what is the upside for her? Like there isn't one
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: that I see at all. Maybe it was written in
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: there and they forgot to put it in or it
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: screwed up the editing. I don't know, but that doesn't
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: make the impression I got after three movies of these
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: kinds of questions where you go, this doesn't fit the
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: bigger context.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's just bad communication. And I'm hoping
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: now that Jeff Johns is like the bid wig now,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: now that, Because, I mean, Suicide Squad was already probably
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: in the can by the time Batman and Superman tanked
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: or whatever, however you want to describe it. And they
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: were like, okay, look, we're putting Geoff Johns in charge, period.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe going forward, having someone who knows comics inside out
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: and is around everybody. can go, that's not right. Change that.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: But I think right now you have Ayer just making
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: a movie. You have Zach just making a movie. who
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: don't have this bigger comic context, and they're just like, oh,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: this is going to work for this movie, and not
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: realize you're running contrary to the source material, and you're
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: going to fuck yourself later. So hopefully these kind of
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: things get... Geoff Johns, I can't believe, would let this
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: kind of shit go. Because this is just no-brainer DC shit.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: So I think going forward with Wonder Woman, and on, hopefully,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: you know, it's more... It doesn't have to be hardcore
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: accurate to the source material, but yeah, weird questions like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: this where it's like, wait, that doesn't even make sense
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: in your mythos. Like, come on, guys.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: When you're creating a hole in the character that you're
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: making these stories about, that becomes a problem. If you
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: want to change from the comic, if you want to
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: deviate from it a little bit, that's fine. I'm not
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: going to be a hardcore nerd, as I've said before, but...
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: To me, when you start creating problems with the character
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: that you are building within the context of your movie
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 4: and your series of movies, it's like when you start
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: messing with.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: The basics of what they are, you either better have
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: a way to finish that project or you're just screwing
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: yourself over. Like, you better have an endgame. You better
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: be planning three movies out. Like, oh, no, it was
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: supposed to be like this, which I feel like Zach
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: has never done. So I don't know. I'm hoping, like.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: Ben understands the Batman character more and maybe can get
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: more of a handle when they go solo.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: Well, he definitely understands the Batman character better than Ayer
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: or Zack. Like, either one of them, for sure.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: So, I'm hoping he gets more of a handle on the, again,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: the morals of Batman.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: Because that's what's weird is by.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: The end of this, we're like, Deadshot's, Deadshot's, got morals
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: right or at least a set of standards he's like
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: he has rules he really is leon he's like he's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: got specific people he won't kill he doesn't do it
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: for the hell of it he only does it because
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: he's getting paid like he's got a system at work
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: and then you can kind of respect him within the
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: concept of that like at least he's not insane like
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: he follows his set of rules whereas like when you
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: start messing with that stuff with.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Batman i'm like again who's the hero here like right Granted,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: Deadshot's not a perfect person. He's still murdering people.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: But he seems logical when you start looking at the
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: weird stuff that Batman's doing or Superman.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Or any of them.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 4: I'm like, we're losing control of this universe at the
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: very essence of what it is.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: And that's where I have problems with it. That's the,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: you know, and again, going back to what I just said,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's why, to me, when they announced, you know,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: Jeff Johns is like the creative guy behind Everything DC now,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: I felt like that's what was being addressed there. Because
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: like we just mentioned earlier, in the first Superman movie,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: you have Paul Kent going, do not be Superman. But
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: then in the second Superman movie, you have him on
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: his vision quest saying, be Superman. And I'm like, get
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: your shit straight. And then you have Ma Kent going,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Paul Kent always told you to be Superman. No,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: he didn't. He loved you being Superman.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: No, he didn't.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty sure the whole damn movie. It seems
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: like every movie, they just do what works in that movie.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: And no one is considering the bigger picture. So I'm hoping,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: I'm optimistic that that's what the Jeff Johns, you know,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: appointment was. It's like, look, we need someone. who sees
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: the bigger picture here and go, no, that might work
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: in this movie, but that will contradict shit in, in
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: future stories. So you can't do that here. If you're
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: aping Marvel, they have a universe, they have a plan.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: They're following rules from one movie to the next. They
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: have a scope to the point where they're taking power
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: out of the hands of the director.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: Even so much so that they will walk sometimes, but
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: like they will fight the director to.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: Keep the vision overall.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: It, steals a little of the artistic integrity i will
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: give you but at least they have a plan at
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: least there's a reason for it that's bigger than.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: One single movie where i don't feel like we're getting
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: that with no yeah i feel like i feel like
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: dc one i think it's just the truth i don't
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: think it's like a feeling it's like yeah they claim
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: that you know they're creating this bigger universe but you
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: cannot tell me that when you guys are sitting there
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: writing your scripts and that you have some plot outline
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: that shows all these future notes you need to hit.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: I don't believe you because looking at your individual movies
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: they don't They contradict themselves, so I can't believe that
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: you have a bigger picture in mind. And why would you, really?
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: If you're being hired as a one-off screenwriter, why would
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 4: you be going out of your way to finish a
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: 10-movie arc for some studio that's not paying you for it?
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: It's different if you're brought in almost like a showrunner
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: on a.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 4: Series to be like, okay, oversee these 10 movies, make
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: sure everything works, plot things out 10 movies down, make
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 4: sure all this film fits together later.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: But when that's not your job, I don't blame.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: If they're not planning for that bigger picture. If they're not, look,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 4: we want to employ you for the next several movies.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: We want to make sure all this stuff works. I mean,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 4: it's not their fault.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, why wouldn't they just take care of themselves?
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: They're hired to work one movie. That means that that
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: director's motivation is just to make the greatest, not greatest,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: but a quote is a great movie just for their
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: own resume. You know what I'm saying? Like their inspiration
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: or their, I guess inspiration is kind of right. They
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: don't have that same desire to, to create something bigger
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: because they're not going to be around for that bigger part.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: So why would they care so much about that bigger part?
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: There's no, what's going to be great here and now,
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't work. If Wendy, you have someone else like,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: it's like, Hey Jimbo, right? Chapter one. Hey Marcus, right?
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: Chapter two. Hey Greg, right? Chapter three. It's like, well,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: And again, together you could almost switch out directors and
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: maybe the visual style would change a little or like
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: performances might, but like, You really should be planning more
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: with a producer that's not going anywhere and a writer
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: that's not going anywhere. Hopefully Jeff Johns can be. Marvel
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 4: shows us you can swap out directors and there's still
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: a consistent feel.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: As long as you have a bigger picture in the works.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: Someone has to have that picture in mind. Because if
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: you just get together and go, well, what next? That's
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: not how you brainstorm. I'm sorry. That's not how you brainstorm.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: That's not how you create. You don't just go with
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: what works right now. You've got to write a lot
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: of different versions and figure out what's going to work
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: for that long term because just letting Zach and Ayer
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: just kind of do their own things on their own,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: you're fucking yourself down the line.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're just making it harder to make a.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: Individual movie and then a series of movies that make sense. Well,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: say they want to do Suicide Squad 2. Say this
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: does well enough that they're like, well, you know. Because
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: the thing is with the comics, they're interchangeable. It's not
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: like it's these same B villains. So you could just
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: grab just Deadshot and Harley Quinn and throw some different
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: B grades with them. But how do you do that now?
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: Because Deadshot's a good guy. That's what I was going
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: to say. And Harley's... I remember... Good-ish? It's like... She's
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: freaking likable. Well, I mean, she is.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: She's definitely likable. Not only is she likable, but by
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: the end of the movie, she's our hero. When it
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: goes up to her and the Enchantress, she plays the game.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: She fakes her out and she saves the team. Oh, man,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: I've heard so much anger over that scene. I've heard
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: so much anger like, oh, Enchantress was... So smart and old,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: like she would have never fell for that. And I'm like,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, whatever.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 4: She looked cool, but only in the beginning. By the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 4: time she was the queen at the end, I didn't
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: care anymore.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: It's like a lot of shit she did that was dumb.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: She was using lightning to take out satellites and aircraft carriers.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Why the fuck wouldn't she just use lightning to obliterate
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: the entire city around her? Just to make the entire
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: five-mile radius around her a dead zone would have made
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: a million people. Most of these people coming to kill
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: her are humans. You can just lightning them all and
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: they're dead. Minus maybe Diablo. Why is this a thing? Yeah.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: It's weird. That was weird. I'm glad we had this.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 4: Like I've said, I've had... A while to process it,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: and I still wasn't sure how it felt. So this
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 4: has brought out a lot of, like... There's a lot...
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: And I've said this to people. They've asked me, because
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 4: everyone I've talked to hasn't seen it. Which is weird,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 4: because it still.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: Made a fortune. It broke records. It had a huge...
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: It beat Guardians. It had... Let that soak in. It
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: beat Guardians in standard theaters, and in 3D, and in IMAX.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It beat Guardians. People bitch about these movies.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 4: They bitch about the Warner Brothers movies in particular, but
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 4: they bitch about superhero movies.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: But... It's the third biggest opening of the year. Do
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: you know what the other two are? Two other superhero movies.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: Deadpool and Civil War? No, I guess Deadpool was the
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: end of last year. But this year, Batman v. Superman
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: was $ 166 million. It's the second biggest opening. Oh, okay, opening.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 4: I thought you meant overall. The first is Civil War,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 4: $ 179 million. So this one did $ 135 this weekend alone.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you. I still stand by it. I think
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: it will do more than Batman v.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: Superman. I think it's... Do not underestimate, as much as,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: you know, those millennials are going to go see this again.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, Kevin Smith's daughter was, like,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: weeping as she watched it. Kevin Smith, like, was talking
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: about how... What's her name again? Yeah, but still, the point,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: he was like, this is a 17-year-old girl who did
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: not grow up on an animated cartoon, who did not,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like, this is... Obviously, she
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: knows this shit because of her dad, but he's like, look,
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: this is a teenage girl who... adored this movie, and
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: he was like, and the other kids in the theater
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: were totally into it. I think this is the one that...
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Go get those second and third viewings that I don't
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: think BVS got.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: And again, think about all the weird nitpicky plot holes
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: that we did.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: It's because we at least... kind of know the superhero
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: mythos that we're dealing with. So if they don't have
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: all these strict frames of reference, then everything's pudding. This
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: is all great.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: If you're just a mall rat, and you're just like,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: I like that Harley girl, and you go in, and
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 4: you still like that Harley girl. Like, she's fucking awesome
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 4: in the movie. So it's like, well, yeah, you're not
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: going to have near as many problems when... you aren't
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: steeped in it quite as much as the Geeks. So,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, it probably will pull. That's what I'm trying
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: to decide.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: Is it regular people that it's pulling in? Because these are.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: Huge openings, but yet most of the people I know
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: didn't see Batman v Superman or didn't like it if
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: they did. And like, as we said, nobody I talked
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: to had seen this movie, but yet it's the third
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: biggest opening of the year.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: So who's going?
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 4: Is it just kids that don't know anything?
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: I think it will definitely, I think what, Again, this
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: is just me predicting. This isn't me trying to say fact.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: I think what will end up making this the biggest
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: DC movie this year will be young kids going to
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: see it again. I mean, what comes out next week? Nothing.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: So guess what? Teenage kids on dates are going to
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: go see it again. Suicide Squad. I'm telling you, I'm
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: going to go see it again. I didn't go see
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: BVS twice. I'm going to go see this twice. They're saying...
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: That it, you know, these, especially like Batman v Superman
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: was the same problem. They're like, oh, it doesn't have legs.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: But in the new system, oh, studios, you don't need
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: movies to have legs. All you need is a huge opening.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: You have to cover at least the base of what
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: you paid for it.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: The rest you're going to make up when you release
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: it on DVD as a super special edition, probably.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: Batman v Superman.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: And like that, like you don't, it's not the system now.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about, oh, two months later,
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 4: are people going to go see it?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: No, it's probably going to be gone from the theaters
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: in two months.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 4: You're lucky if it's still at a dollar theater eight
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: weeks out. You know, I'm like, it's not that those
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 4: exist anymore either.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: So they're dying too.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: Like that whole system is dying because it's immediately getting
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: shoved to Netflix.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: It's getting shoved to Redbox.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 4: So they don't worry about whether or not it's going
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 4: to be weeks and weeks at the top of the
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 4: box office. All they need is a huge opening like
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: all of these have.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Done, and they're good. But in DC's case, they need
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: to change that philosophy then. Because, I mean, yeah, BVS
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: had a great... opening weekend. It made money and then
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: people bitched the whole time. How did that money compare
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: to your budget?
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: Not very fucking well. You didn't really make that much
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: money on that at all. And again, that's the studio thing.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: Like, in a way, sometimes I think they like that
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: because it makes things better on the books and they'd
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, look at all this money we lost
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 4: on Batman v Superman on our.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: Books, quotes. Right.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: And then they write that off and they balance it
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 4: out and make six indie movies that they wanted to
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 4: make anyway. So it's like, It is a part of
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 4: the system that they factor.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: In this weird stuff. And I don't know. I don't
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: understand at all. It's a weird world we live in.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: I think this will be the first DC movie to
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: be number one at least two weeks in a row,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: if not three. Because BVS was gone in the second week.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: It took a lot of heat. And I think this
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: one will definitely be number one. This one I don't
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: think is going to take as much heat. It made
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: $ 265 million yesterday.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: Like, including international. Like, American was whatever, $ 100 something. But international,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: it has quarter billion already on week one. Not that
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: other people haven't done that, but like I said, I
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: think that this one.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: Has replay value. Like this is, like I said, for me.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 4: It kind of does because there's so much going on,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 4: like the Batman, Superman stuff.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: And to me it was fun. Like once you've seen it,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay. The fight was kind of cool.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: BVS kind of like played more like a police procedural
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: in many ways because there's so much, you know, intrigue
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: and who's doing this and, you know... Who's sneaking around here?
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: This one is just... It's your popcorn movie. It's like...
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: It's not deep because it didn't have to be. It's
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: visually entertaining and... It has humor. It's visually exciting. I mean,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: there's tons of fan service. There's great music. We didn't
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: get to this.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: Holy F.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: You paid so much money for the music. And it's
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: like I have mixed feelings because I loved Action Bronson
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: being used in a movie. That blew me away. Blew
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: me away that Action Bronson was being used in a movie.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Wu-Tang, but I have
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: to swear I heard Method Man at some point in
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: the background. There was so much great music. I think
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: what bugged me... was that it felt like someone changing
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: channels on a radio because it would be an actual
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: song leading into an actual song leading into an actual
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: song leading into an actual song with no break.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like yours was sort of the deviation because
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 4: everything else in the beginning there was just like, I
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 4: feel like.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: It's like everyone wanted to have a theme, but since
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: it was so back to back to back to back
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: to back, they were so quick.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 4: They were all like, midway in I was like, I
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 4: like all these stuff. Like, again, I have a dorky
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 4: soundtrack show. I'm like, ooh, I'd like to play that.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 4: That's an awesome song. That's an awesome song.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: Wait, these are all really old. Are we on a
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: dad rock channel?
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 4: Like, everything was really old, with the exception of the
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 4: one or two, like, sort of working in some rap
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: It goes back to those Guardians comparisons, where they were like,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and again. You know what works? Songs from
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: a long time ago that everybody already knows. This, this.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: This is exactly, what is happening with this movie right
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: now is exactly what I thought was gonna happen with Guardians.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: I was absolutely shocked that the entire world accepted Guardians
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: right out the goddamn gate. Right out the gate. Everyone's like,
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: this is the new Star Wars. Not everyone said that,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: but lots of people were like, this felt like the
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: new Star Wars. This was so fun and exciting and crazy.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: This could have very easily been the same thing that
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: happened to Guardians. And I don't know what they did
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: right that didn't happen here, per se, because... Like I said,
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: Guardians didn't give you any background. It was just run
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: with it. Here you go, guys. Here's all these villains
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: and people you've never fucking heard of if you haven't
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: read a comic. And somehow it works.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: James Gunn.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Somehow it worked there.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: He's a really good director.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: I just, you know, I feel like, you know, as
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: much as, you know, some people give DC this drama
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: where they're like, just for the love of God, please
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: copy Marvel because your stuff's not working. But it's like here.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: They do, but sometimes they do it wrong. Copy Marvel
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: kind of was the part that didn't work. I like
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: the fact that you use real music. I know how
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: expensive that is, and I can't believe you shoved out
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: that much money to use like 20 seconds of a
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: bunch of real music. At least, you know, and even ironically,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: you know, with the trailer, Bohemian Rhapsody was like the
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: last 45 seconds of the movie. It was like the
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: tail end of everything. And that came back into it.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: I remember saying that when we watched the trailer one
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: of these episodes. I was like, it's kind of hard
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: to not seem cool when you're going up against Bohemian
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 4: Rhapsody's big.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: All the Wayne's World references, all the music was from
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: Wayne's World. That aside, that last half of that song
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: is badass. And like, well.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 4: cutting action scenes to that song yeah it's gonna look
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 4: cool right so i think that's kind of what they
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 4: were doing here too and i was like you're taking
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: the most recognizable 20 seconds of a super popular song
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 4: from 30 or 40 or more the the harley one
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 4: is like from the 50s probably like.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: They went way back with her maybe early 60s but
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: i'm like it it Yeah, because they did You Don't
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: Own Me, right? Yeah. For Harley. Yeah, so that's probably mid-60s. Yeah,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: that is an older one. But that's way older than
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: even like the 70s stuff that they were using the
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: rest of them. And they have CCR.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like they're fucking Rolling Stones. They paid a fortune
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: That's why it tripped me when they had like Action
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: Bronson and like, you know, and Meth. And I was like,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: holy F, like you guys.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: But, again, that might be shooting for that younger audience.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: The Eminem? Well, I've said it before. Yeah, that's like
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: the retro. That was the one that didn't feel right
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: to me. When they were all getting dressed and they
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: started playing Eminem, that was one where I was like, okay,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: this one felt forced. It's a different mode. I was
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: surprised it wasn't Drake. Oh, no. Was Kanye in there?
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: I think Kanye was. Maybe. We'll have to get the
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: soundtrack to play along. I want to say there was
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: one where I was like, I think that's Kanye. We'll
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: sit down for the soundtrack episode and do this.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: But.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: Well, there was no Taylor Swift, so, I mean, obviously,
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: they weren't going full on for the millennials. But, no,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 4: I think we've got a different group of kids coming
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 4: up now, and I keep seeing this. And I've talked
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 4: about this recently on one of the music episodes.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what I expect kids to like now is
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: not necessarily what they like. Granted, the pop charts do
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: what they normally do.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: But of all these kids that I keep seeing that are, like,
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 4: high school age... They are drawn to older stuff in
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 4: a way that I don't know that our generation was.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: We kind of like.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, this song from the 60s is kind of cool
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: or whatever. Again, I'm basing it on several people, but
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: almost exclusively listen to either really old stuff, like their
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 4: parents' or grandparents' era of old stuff, Because again, going
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 4: back 60 stuff for them is a couple of generations back.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: Quite a few. So it's like. You got like kids
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: busting out Link Wray. And it's like, what the. Or like, yeah.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: Or like they'll be into Simon and Garfunkel.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm just like. Or ukulele music. I can't
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: tell you how many ukulele musicians I've seen.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: What hipster jackass made ukuleles so cool? That's an offshoot
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: hipster thing.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: But no, I think kids are liking really old stuff
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 4: or just super obscure weird shit that they found on
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 4: the internet. Like something that popped up on YouTube that
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 4: is a weird underground thing.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: But other than that.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: like it's rare that like i i find anybody paying
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: attention to what's quote unquote in the mainstream pop music
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 4: like there's a new wave of kids that are just
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: like i don't care about what's popular now hey, here's
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 4: some old stuff that seems like it's.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: Stable and everybody likes it and it's well-made. Look at
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: this new era of Dadaism where it's like counterculture is
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: just so cool. Counterculture has spun all the way around.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to find something that's so not beautiful and
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: not artistic on purpose and I'm just going to love
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: it because it's so not trying. Or the other way.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: I feel like the kids have spun so far around
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: that they're back to.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: The way their grandparents were. They're like, no, this CCR
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: is cool. I'm like, okay. okay, I mean, yeah, I guess,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: but you should be going.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: Against that, right? You don't like this old dad rock stuff.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: You should be liking some weird punk band that maybe
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 4: some of them do, but I feel like there's still
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of love for older music that I don't
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: know if generations before had, and maybe it's just because
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: you have everything at your fingertips now. You have access
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 4: to every song ever made that we didn't have growing up,
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 4: so if we didn't own it on cassette, we didn't
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 4: worry about it, but like, I can see that.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: Like maybe if you didn't have parents that were playing
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: it around you for you to go, Oh my God,
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: that's kind of cool. What is that? Yeah. Now there's
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: a weird vinyl thing. Everyone has access to all that stuff.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: So it's just, there's more exposure to it.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: Every 14 year old kid is flipping through vinyl now going,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know what this is, but let's listen to it.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: And they're liking weird old stuff.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: So again, this might be a very conscious play on
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 4: we're looking for a younger crowd.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: Younger crowd likes older music. Let's pull all these older
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: songs and make it the theme songs. And we'll work
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of newer ish ones in there. But yeah,
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, for the most part, It's such classic
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: rock that I'm like, that's almost a real conscious movie.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: It's like classic rock and classic hip hop. It was very... It's...
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that shocked me. I was just like, wow, like... Well,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: and again... The way it was used is what really
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: surprised me because it was really only done for flashback scenes.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Or for like... Or intros. Or the bands together kind
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: of scenes. Like, you know, these visual shots with them
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: all together. Because the action and everything else is just
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: your standard score. It just drops off and there's some score. Well,
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: how cool would it have been to drop a real
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: song here? You know, like... Why did you just use 20,
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: 30-second snippets for these montages when... I'm sure it costs
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: the same either way. I'm sure you pay for the
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: entire song, and you use 20 seconds on it. Well,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: like I said back with BVS, Wonder Woman's music was awesome.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: She had her own soundtrack in that movie, and that
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: music got me amped.
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 4: That's the best part of that trailer is when that
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: music kicks in.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Justice XL, that DJ killed it. When his music
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: kicked in, it got me amped. Now, Hans Zimmer, not
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: so much. And that was kind of that way again.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: I forget who orchestrated this one. But I was like, wow,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: you use so much of the orchestra score for the
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: generic action. Again, it's kind of forgettable. I don't remember
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: any of the orchestration stuff. His name was familiar. It
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: was someone else that orchestrates a lot of stuff. I mean,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff is good. We say this
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: every year with the Oscar music. It's good.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 4: It's impressively put together at a top-level studio.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: But they're interchangeable most of the time. I could hum
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: you a single melody. Yeah, it's like how often... And
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: I could hum you that Wonder Woman melody right now.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah. It's like.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, that's remarkable. Themes, I want, you know,
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: I said this before on BVS, like, give these people
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: remarkable themes. That enhances the character so much. And I
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: feel like it was, in the moment, it enhanced those
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: characters because I felt like the music was kind of,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: you know, going, well, this is the kind of person
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: that would like this song. And it kind of, you know,
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: if you know music, you kind of go, okay, you know, yeah,
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: that kind of inserts, fills in some blanks for me
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: on maybe what this kind of person is.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 3: But.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: You know, when the rest of the movie is just
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: a basic orchestral score. It's like, well, did it really...
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: Was it really effective for you? Was it worth the
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: money you put in to get those 20, 30 seconds? Because.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: It's not like you can't do that with orchestration.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: Because think about that John Williams Superman theme. If you
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: hear that to this day... That was later. That was
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: like the late 70s. If you hear that to this day...
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: You're going to stand up a little taller and be like,
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: hell yeah, Superman. Darth Vader theme. Everything John Williams did.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: Even like the Danny Elfman Batman. That had a theme.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: That was a, oh yeah, Batman's about to kick some ass.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: And that was the one they straight up used on
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: the animated series, right? Wasn't it straight up Tim Burton's?
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 4: Well, that was coming off of Batman Returns when the
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 4: animated series kicked in.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: So probably a little of... If it's not the same one,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: it's very close. It's really close. Again, you can do
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: that stuff with orchestration. You just have to have a
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: good sense about it. Maybe this is something we'll get
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: now that we have someone in that position at Jeff
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: Johns' end. Maybe we'll have someone going, hey guys, let's
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: be consistent across all boards with music too. Let's carry
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: this over. That's something that, again, not to be super dorky,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: but that's something that you know, what happened in, you know, anime. Like,
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: you know, again, I'm going to be super dorky, but
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: there's times, you know, in Dragon Ball Z where like,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: you know, someone would drop in that's not in the
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: fight and you would hear their music first and be like,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: oh shit, Vegeta just showed up. Oh shit. Like, just
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: when the music starts, you're like, oh my gosh, you know.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: And that's the kind of things that I think people don't,
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: Even in wrestling. That's why wrestlers, that first five seconds
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: is such an interesting moment because the moment, Steve Austin,
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: the moment you hear glass break, you know. It's things
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: like that where it's like, carry that over into comic
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: book movies. Give people themes. Music is so powerful. I
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: wish people would not just... I love classical music. No
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: offense to orchestral scores, but if you want energy... gotta
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: be done right you want energy yeah and you want
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: millennials it needs to be fresher music and it needs
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: to be energetic and I don't have and memorable like
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: I wanna remember that theme I remember Wonder Woman's theme
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: I don't remember anything about Batman and Superman but I
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: remember Wonder Woman's theme of recent years I can think
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: of like that like any of these you're like what
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: was that I didn't even tack it in at the
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: end of the trailer like it's all orchestra until her
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: logo goes up and then they're like hey here's Wonder
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Woman's theme oh shit here she is so yeah it's
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 4: It's something they need to bring back and maybe that's
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: going to usher in that because hum the Green Lantern
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: theme for me.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing nobody remembers that. I'll even go as far
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: back as to say the X-Men cartoon. The Fox X-Men cartoon.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: I can hear that theme in my head right now.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: That theme was awesome and it got me amped to
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: watch X-Men. If they would have put that in the
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: beginning of the X-Men movie, I would have came in
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: the theater. I would have been like, awesome. That's probably
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: why they.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to clean up. I was in the wrong theater, man. Yeah,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: that's okay in the right theater. When they show X-Men
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: in Theater X, I can go get that excited.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: That's a... Never mind. But no, I was thoroughly surprised.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to be... I want to
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: make clear that I understand how hearing a bunch of
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: bad stuff about something before you go see it can
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: warp your view. But I'm numb to that. I can
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: still go in... open-minded you know like as in I'm
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: gonna be happy if it's just okay now like I
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: went in like ready you know I've been pretty brutally
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: honest with the first two I was ready to be
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: that way yeah and as the movie went on and
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: on and on I just it never hit me that
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: way I think I was so you know I can
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: I can admit that the last I'd say quarter is
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: weak and you know, I felt like it was like
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: just time to wrap it up. Yeah. But I think
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: I was so, I had so much fun leading up
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: to it that I forgave it and not forgive it.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: Like it was hard for me to forgive it. I
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: was still like, all right, whatever you wrapped it up.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: Cause to me, I felt like, and this might be
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: good or bad depending on who you are, I would
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: put it like, you know, with kind of how the
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: first Thor movie ended. That robot thing blasting, it was like,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: that was a generic villain and I really didn't care.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: Of all the things I'll call out Marvel for, like so.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 4: Many times they have generic, forgettable foes.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: So you have another... i wish villain step up and get.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 4: Better and i know we're heading towards thanos but still
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 4: i'm like right along the way we shouldn't phone in
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 4: all these other villains like we need better villains along
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 4: the way.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: I was really really taken back you know as an
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: artist by just some of what i have i mean
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: because zach and his wife executive produce and i have
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: to say i don't know anything about a year except
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: that he's done a lot of military movies yeah that's
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: what i've.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: Written probably more interesting stuff like i haven't seen a
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: ton of his directing i guess i'll go back and
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 4: watch him now but like again if you go further
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 4: back he's got a few that i'm like well that's
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 4: a decent movie and he wrote that there's a few
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 4: others i'm like no not so much but again he's
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 4: got skill it's just depending on where you use it
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 4: and and i don't know this is This seems like
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 4: a lot of the issues I have with it are
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 4: from the writing standpoint, which he did. Like it's credited as,
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 4: you know, story by other people, but I think the
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 4: screenplay was him.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: So he's getting a lot of the blame on some
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: of these issues. I think maybe, you know, because again,
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, just artsy side of me was just so
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: happy with some of these shots that, you know, I
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: think he gave me like little short highs. that got
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: me maybe over things that other people didn't like. Cause
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: like I said, the things like, it was only like
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: five seconds, but Harlequin in the red and black, you know,
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: in that classic kingdom come shot with, with, with the Joker. Yeah.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: Like when they put that shot, I was like, Oh
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: my God. And I said, I was like that. Oh, Like,
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: I made an audible noise, like, yes. You know, like
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: I said, dead shot when he jumped on the car
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: and was just... You know, headshotting, it was like, yes! Like,
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: there was Joker, like, with the machine gun. Oh, that
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: was awesome. Joker in the helicopter with the machine gun.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: There was just Harlequin doing the tightrope thing on the
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: rope in the helicopter. There was shots. I was like,
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: I fucking love these moments that I don't... I forgave,
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: and like I said, I wasn't even offended by a
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: lot of it, but I guess maybe mentally, like, I
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: was just on such... periodic highs and maybe I forgave
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: things that other people, you know, were more upset about.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: But I was just like, you are visually making me
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: so happy right now. And the script. as far as
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: the banter, was making me so happy. Like, yes, if
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 2: you get down to facts and reality and hard truths.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 4: The grand picture is fuzzy, but the individual, yeah, those
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 4: individual scenes worked on their own, and the dynamic with
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 4: the people worked in its own way. I don't want
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 4: to call it a no-brainer movie, because I don't want
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: to say it's that far, but yeah, there are, if
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 4: you want to be highly analytical, not even highly, I
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: don't want to sound like, oh, you've got to be
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 4: super you know, snob to, to find problems with this movie,
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 4: but yes, you could pick this apart.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: And you could probably do that with all the comic
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: book movies. Again, I'm not trying to defend it or,
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: you know, apologize for it. But for me, I was
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: shocked that I just, I was happy with so much
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: of this movie. I was having fun through so much
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: of this movie. And I feel like, you know, it's
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: hard to be highly critical about this movie and, Because
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: it is their version of Guardians. This isn't the AAA
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: part of DC. This is a throwaway kind of thing.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: The Suicide Squad, if you ask people for their favorite
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 2: moments in DC Comics, I don't think you're going to
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: find many people that are going to put anything Suicide
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: Squad in the top five or top ten, period. And
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: I think, honestly, to be frank, on the flip, I
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: don't think Marvel people would have did that with Guardians either. Yeah.
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, most people didn't know what Guardians was unless
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 4: you were a hardcore Marvel fan.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: And I don't think... I think, you know, it's fair
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: to say that, like, Guardians and Suicide Squad were kind
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: of jumping the shark. You know? And I think Guardians...
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: Guardians pulled it through. Guardians killed it. And I really
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: feel like Guardians could have went this exact same route.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked. I can't tell you for sure what made
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: it work for them and not here. But for me,
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is equal to Guardians at all.
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: Guardians is a much better movie, in my opinion, than
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: this movie. But I give Suicide Squad an A-. To me,
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: this was a good movie. I will watch it again.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't buy many movies, but if I was
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: someone who bought movies, I would buy this. I would
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: throw this in and watch this for fun periodically. I was,
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: this was a fun movie. And I get that if
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: you want to be, if you want to really implant
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: it in the DC new universe, yes, you can have
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: problems with it, but it's, I don't want to give
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: it like, you know, a free pass because it's kind
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: of a throwaway group, but it's like, This was really
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: good for what it is, like the Suicide Squad. I
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: love the particular, and this is one other thing I
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: did want to kind of mention. Like, again, I highly, highly, highly, highly,
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: even if you didn't like this movie and any part
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: of you wants to kind of give it a chance
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: to maybe understand why they tried it, I still highly
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: recommend Batman Assault on Arkham. I highly recommend this movie
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: or this animated feature because it's so good And one
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: of the things I wanted to kind of mention, kind
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: of going back to Joker, because I've seen where there's
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: some confusion where when the Joker is turning Harleen into Harlequin,
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: he does the electrotherapy to her, right? And he's all like,
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to hurt you really, really bad. You know,
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: some people are like, you know, he's like beating her up.
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: You know, he's like hurting her and, you know, just
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 2: brutalizing her. In that scene's defense, again, because I do
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: feel like it is based on his animated feature Assault
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: on Arkham, Um, in that, not to be a little spoilery,
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: but the way that they diffuse the electric shit in
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: their neck, that's going to pop their heads is they
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: voluntarily do electric therapy. They all like, you know, Harlequin
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: is like, Hey, because they're running around Arkham. So they
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: have access to it. She's like, Hey, if we do this,
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: it'll probably short it out. Or make it go off,
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 2: but whatever. They agree to do it. They chance it
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: and they do it. And while Harlequin is doing it,
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: she's giggling. To her, she's just like, electrotherapy doesn't even
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: fucking faze her. She's like giggling. She like calls it
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: a brain massage. She's like, oh, I haven't done this
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: in so long. Back to the good old days. So
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: for me, I'm like, if you have seen the source material,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: you know it's not being mean to her. To her,
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, electrotherapy. Like she is giggling in
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 2: the movie as it's happening. So sometimes like, you know,
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 2: that was like a scene of torture. I'm like, well.
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 2: In the comics, it didn't really hurt her. I mean,
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: it still is, but this is also a movie where
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: we see her get punched in the face by Batman. No. Well,
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: come on. After she swung at him with a knife
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 2: and underwater.
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't say, yeah, I don't, it's one
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 4: of those, I guess I don't like it. the whole
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 4: theater responded in a weird way because it's still the
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 4: initial reaction of somebody pops up like that and they
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 4: immediately just get decked.
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: It's kind of funny.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 4: Like, it's just a timing thing of like, ha ha, look, oh.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: Like, everybody kind of laughed and.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: Went, oh.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 2: Well, they took out a scene of the Joker punching her.
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 2: Apparently, like, a scene, you know, where people, whoever were
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 2: taking photos on the set, and apparently there was a
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: scene where the Joker hits her.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 2: And I think it's before she's Harlequin. I think it's
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 2: still when she's Harleen.
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: Because there was some, apparently there was some scene where
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 2: he hits her. And I was like, well. That's definitely
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 2: a weird dynamic. Yeah, if they're in love, that does
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 2: kind of run counter. That makes it weird. Like I said,
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: you would assume they have an S & M kind
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: of relationship, though.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 2: But the Batman thing, I'm like, well, she's a villain. Like,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: it's one of, you gotta be. And she just swung
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: at him with her knife. She just tried to kill him. Like,
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 4: If you're signing on to be a villain, you're going
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 4: to know the heroes are going to punch you, right? Like,
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 4: isn't that, man or woman, aren't we supposed to just
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 4: try to, like, shut down the villains? So, like, if
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 4: she's going to hurt him or anybody else, shouldn't he
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 4: take her out? But is it worse that he punched
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 4: her in the face? Like, if he just would have, like,
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 4: zapped her with a crazy bat stun gun, would.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: That have been okay? I feel like it kind of
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: validates the points we were making earlier, though, that they
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: made them too good. If she would have, not even brutally,
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: if she had been killing civilians in the movie before that,
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: you would not have flinched to see her get punched
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: in the face. Because you made her so likable. And
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: because she didn't outright kill a single human being. She
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: killed some zombie things. She didn't kill anything human. Because
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: she's like cutting it up with the guys at the bar.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, I'll come with you. Let's go
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 2: save the world. It's like, yeah, of course it's hard
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: to see Batman punch her in the face and not
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 2: be a little like, ooh. once again, who's the bad
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: guy here?
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 4: It raises a lot of weird questions with Batman more
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 4: than anybody, maybe. That was my take on this, and
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 4: that's what I said earlier. It's like, all these people
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 4: I ask, hey, you want to come talk about this?
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 4: And they said, oh, I haven't seen it. And almost
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 4: all of them went, oh, you saw it.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 2: How was it? Again, I'm not going to go into
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: major spoilers. Obviously we did here, but I told you guys.
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 4: But with them, I was just like, if you're into this,
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 4: I think it's worth seeing. I think I have issues
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 4: with it as a whole but there's a lot of
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 4: fun moments along the way I said that multiple times
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 4: to people and I'm like I still stand by that
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 4: like I have huge issues with it on a huge
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 4: scale individually in those scenes is it a lot of
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 4: fun yeah would I maybe even buy it somewhere down
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 4: the line? I might just for those scenes. Like I'm
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 4: a geek enough that I might, I will get the DC.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 4: I might just want to watch the DC.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: Cut in theaters. I think I would go again for
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 2: that too. I might just want to see that stuff.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 4: So it's like, it's again, if you're, if you're enough
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 4: of a comic book geek that you care about even
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 4: potentially going to see it, I think it's enough fun
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 4: to enjoy and, If you want to be a hardcore geek,
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 4: you can.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: Sit here for hours and go on and on about
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: the problems with it. But, obviously, some of us are
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: like that. On that note, I guess we should wrap
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 2: this thing up.
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 4: And I rarely get to do this because it's so
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 4: hard to pin down exactly what's coming up next.
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: But this time, I can't tell you... Okay, kids, get
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: out your decoder pins.
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 2: You.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 3: Can tell that tonight's message was really important.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 4: in one of these upcoming episodes, we are actually going
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 4: to sit down and talk about a movie, not superhero related.
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 4: We're going slightly old school and horror, which we always
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 4: return to. We will be discussing The Curse of Frankenstein.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 4: David might have something to say about that one too.
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying this happened last week, but we might
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 4: be talking about that movie.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: And we're talking the.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 4: Old school, like 57 Hammer version, the original Hammer movie
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 4: that kicked it off.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: So if.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 4: You want to go in without the spoiler issues, I'm
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 4: telling you now, heads up, go watch Curse of Frankenstein,
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 4: and then you can hear us ramble on about that
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 4: one for hours on end as well.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: About the blue Mexican Frankenstein. Some might say that, yes.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: You tell Christopher Lee. ghost about that he will come
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 2: back and kick your ass nothing bad to say about
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: christopher lee damn straight.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 4: All right well i think we've addressed many a superhero
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 4: issue this week so otherwise that about does it we
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 4: will return next time same geek feed thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 5: See you next time.
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:51:54
  Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 2: Go get killed. Thought, peace, and victory. No one can
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 2: wear sexy high heels? Apparently. You're telling all women they're
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 2: not allowed to? That was the kind of shit that
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 2: I was getting this hate from. I'm like, I don't
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 2: care about your opinion, really. That, to me, doesn't strengthen
• 2:53:29
  Speaker 2: your review at all. I'm like, you really just shit-talked
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 2: Harlequin for being sexy and wearing heels. That's where I've
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 2: come to.
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