Latest / The Ben Maller Show / The Fifth Hour: All Hail King Eddie!
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Kaboom if you thought four hours a day 1200 minutes
- 0:05Speaker 1: a week was enough think again he's the last remnants
- 0:09Speaker 1: of the old republic a sole bastion of fairness he
- 0:12Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
- 0:15Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse wow the clearinghouse of
- 0:20Speaker 1: hot takes break free for something special the fifth hour
- 0:23Speaker 1: with ben maller starts right now.
- 0:30Speaker 2: In the air everywhere. The Fifth Hour with me, Ben Maller,
- 0:37Speaker 2: and you as we are together here on this early Friday,
- 0:42Speaker 2: the 18th day of September. And you are in for
- 0:48Speaker 2: a special treat. An exceptional podcast, unless it's not. Well,
- 0:53Speaker 2: you'll be the judge. You'll be the judge. It's going
- 0:56Speaker 2: to be magically delicious to your eardrums. It'll be so groovy,
- 1:01Speaker 2: you're going to tell all your friends to listen to
- 1:04Speaker 2: some more stimulating pod. Now, as you know, I do
- 1:08Speaker 2: not promote these things. I do not celebrate the Fifth
- 1:11Speaker 2: Hour Podcast and try to shove it down your throat
- 1:14Speaker 2: on the radio show. If you were listening on the
- 1:18Speaker 2: overnight show, which just ended a little while ago here,
- 1:22Speaker 2: the promotion happened over the top, just a little over
- 1:27Speaker 2: the top here, for this podcast. And the reason is
- 1:31Speaker 2: because it's a chance to catch up with my long-lost
- 1:33Speaker 2: radio brother from another mother, the great Eddie Garcia. So
- 1:39Speaker 2: it's pretty uncomplicated, this podcast. Just so we're on the
- 1:43Speaker 2: same page here. Eddie, part of the Overnight Show for
- 1:46Speaker 2: so many years. I worked with Eddie for over 20 years.
- 1:50Speaker 2: We were together in different roles, most of it together
- 1:54Speaker 2: on the Overnight Show and some other gigs that we
- 1:56Speaker 2: had at Fox Sports Radio. So Without further ado, my
- 2:01Speaker 2: long-lost radio pal, bada bing, bada boom, we bring in
- 2:07Speaker 2: The great Eddie Garcia. All right, Eddie, how's the podcast life?
- 2:11Speaker 2: It's been a while since we worked together on the radio.
- 2:14Speaker 2: So how's everything going with the podcast stuff?
- 2:16Speaker 3: It's going good. You know, it's I had a dream
- 2:20Speaker 3: of working from home. I know you've experienced a little
- 2:23Speaker 3: bit of that. And it's not exactly as great as
- 2:27Speaker 3: I thought it would be, because you feel like you
- 2:31Speaker 3: never leave work in a way. You're like, you know,
- 2:33Speaker 3: I got to do things to get out of the
- 2:34Speaker 3: house and But it is nice to save on gas,
- 2:38Speaker 3: and you can pretty much do your show in your
- 2:41Speaker 3: underwear or whatever if you want to, and make your
- 2:45Speaker 3: own hours is probably the greatest thing. But no, it's
- 2:47Speaker 3: all going good.
- 2:48Speaker 2: Yeah, and have you had attacks of the gremlins? Have
- 2:51Speaker 2: the gremlins attacked, Eddie? Have you had a swarm of
- 2:54Speaker 2: locust gremlins attack your work?
- 2:58Speaker 3: Very rarely, very rarely. Yeah, so no, the gremlins have
- 3:03Speaker 3: avoided me for some reason.
- 3:06Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably going to jinx myself, but for the
- 3:08Speaker 2: most part, I've had fewer gremlins. There was a stretch,
- 3:14Speaker 2: and you were the one that had to step in
- 3:16Speaker 2: on the show. There was a stretch where seemingly every
- 3:19Speaker 2: night something broke. There was something that did not work
- 3:23Speaker 2: on the live radio show, and it was a nightmare.
- 3:27Speaker 2: But they actually fixed something. I don't know what they did,
- 3:30Speaker 2: and it has worked the way it's supposed to work. See,
- 3:34Speaker 2: I miss the old days, though, those ISDN lines back
- 3:36Speaker 2: in the day that were solid. But now pretty much
- 3:40Speaker 2: everything's done on Zoom and that kind of stuff.
- 3:44Speaker 3: Do you know what would happen if the Gremlins did attack?
- 3:49Speaker 3: Because I'm not there to.
- 3:50Speaker 2: Step in for a little while.
- 3:53Speaker 3: And have you drive like 95 miles an hour to
- 3:57Speaker 3: the studio to do the last two hours or whatever.
- 4:00Speaker 2: I have done that, as you know, with you. Yeah, well,
- 4:05Speaker 2: we don't want to put the whammy on it. I
- 4:07Speaker 2: guess we'd have Lorena talk about i don't know what
- 4:10Speaker 2: disney would she break down goofy versus donald duck or
- 4:14Speaker 2: i'm not yeah i'm not sure i don't know coop's
- 4:17Speaker 2: not really a talk show guy so uh i guess
- 4:21Speaker 2: i just jump on the phone i guess.
- 4:23Speaker 3: That would be the yeah i suppose so yeah yeah but.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Uh man fortunately everything with the podcast you're not doing
- 4:30Speaker 2: like live stuff right you're mostly doing just recorded stuff
- 4:33Speaker 2: so it makes it easier True, true.
- 4:37Speaker 3: But very rarely do I ever edit anything because I
- 4:41Speaker 3: would rather just get it all done immediately and not
- 4:45Speaker 3: have to go back and do any other work. So
- 4:47Speaker 3: I've trained myself to not screw up. The only thing
- 4:50Speaker 3: that did happen recently is I came down with something.
- 4:54Speaker 3: I don't know what. It was in my lungs. And
- 4:57Speaker 3: so if I talked for longer than like five minutes,
- 5:00Speaker 3: I had to like cough. It would like just build up.
- 5:03Speaker 3: And so there were times where I had to go
- 5:06Speaker 3: back and edit that part out. But other than that,
- 5:08Speaker 3: as long as I'm not sick, which is rare, then
- 5:12Speaker 3: everything's fine.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Well, you are, of course, the model of health, Eddie.
- 5:16Speaker 2: I had a similar issue. I had a vocal issue
- 5:19Speaker 2: that happened at the worst possible time when I had
- 5:23Speaker 2: to do like it was like 25 live reads and
- 5:27Speaker 2: do the show. And this, this was after you, uh,
- 5:32Speaker 2: unfortunately had left, uh, not by your choice. And, and
- 5:36Speaker 2: so I was on my own and I was like,
- 5:38Speaker 2: Oh my God, you know, like you do a segment,
- 5:40Speaker 2: you're like, okay, fine. I'll do the segment. I'll get
- 5:42Speaker 2: done with the segment. And then I can rest my
- 5:45Speaker 2: voice a little bit. And it's like, no, you get
- 5:47Speaker 2: done and you got to do like another live read.
- 5:49Speaker 2: And it's like the whole, the whole thing, which is, uh,
- 5:53Speaker 2: A nightmare. But these are great problems to have. We
- 5:55Speaker 2: have a job, Eddie, where if we just have a
- 5:57Speaker 2: vocal issue, that's a problem. Like it's like if you
- 6:00Speaker 2: have a physical ailment, like a real physical ailment and
- 6:03Speaker 2: you're out paving roads or doing electricity or something like that,
- 6:07Speaker 2: you're an electrician, you're cooked. Like we can still kind
- 6:11Speaker 2: of fake it. And as you were with me when
- 6:13Speaker 2: I was doing the show and I had laryngitis and
- 6:15Speaker 2: nobody said anything. Do you remember that? I had lost
- 6:18Speaker 2: my voice. I was like whispering. And I did a
- 6:21Speaker 2: couple of shows and nobody in management said anything. I
- 6:26Speaker 2: literally had pretty much no voice and they just didn't either.
- 6:31Speaker 2: They didn't listen or they didn't care. And that was
- 6:34Speaker 2: that was that I have learned, though. Now, I don't
- 6:37Speaker 2: get like you. I don't get sick very often when
- 6:39Speaker 2: I do. I will actually now. take a occasional sick
- 6:44Speaker 2: day that will happen.
- 6:45Speaker 3: What?
- 6:46Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone wants to.
- 6:47Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.
- 6:48Speaker 2: Why not? Because I've heard that you don't get to
- 6:51Speaker 2: take those with you. So I like to, I like to,
- 6:53Speaker 2: I want to use those, you know, use those, those
- 6:56Speaker 2: sick days for sure. So we, I've run into a
- 6:59Speaker 2: few times recently. We had the power lunch at Raising King,
- 7:03Speaker 2: which was great. The charger game. I go to most
- 7:08Speaker 2: of those. I saw you and, People are wondering, like,
- 7:11Speaker 2: what we talk about. It's like small talk. We just
- 7:13Speaker 2: kind of catch up a little bit and normally talk
- 7:16Speaker 2: about some of the crazy people that still call the
- 7:19Speaker 2: show that we both know that are characters on the
- 7:23Speaker 2: show and all that. So that kind of stuff comes up.
- 7:25Speaker 2: We don't hear from Doc Mike much anymore, Doc. He's
- 7:29Speaker 2: still out there. He'll call every once in a while,
- 7:31Speaker 2: but he's got so many clients, Eddie.
- 7:33Speaker 3: Oh, is that right? Yeah.
- 7:35Speaker 2: I mean, Doc can't be bothered. We're low man on
- 7:38Speaker 2: the totem pole on the overnight show. So he's busy
- 7:40Speaker 2: doing whatever he's doing there.
- 7:42Speaker 3: Is he still in South America or has he come
- 7:45Speaker 3: back home?
- 7:46Speaker 2: No, no. He has not been able to go since
- 7:47Speaker 2: the pandemic. So now what he does when the weather
- 7:51Speaker 2: gets bad in Chicago, he'll just drive to Arizona. He's
- 7:55Speaker 2: got a client, he said, in Tucson. He'll go to Florida.
- 7:58Speaker 2: He's all over the place. It's wacky.
- 8:02Speaker 3: There's nuts everywhere.
- 8:04Speaker 2: I guess so. He's a big fan. Remember during the
- 8:07Speaker 2: pandemic when he was booking guests? He had that doctor.
- 8:11Speaker 2: I don't know if you were in that night. He
- 8:12Speaker 2: had a doctor from Colorado. Yeah, I do remember that.
- 8:22Speaker 2: in the middle of the conversation, which was not ideal.
- 8:27Speaker 3: Well, it happens. It happens occasionally. Not with guests usually,
- 8:29Speaker 3: but callers sometimes. I hate to feel like I'm at
- 8:33Speaker 3: that age where where we say these things, but I'll
- 8:38Speaker 3: be honest. Usually when I see you after a while,
- 8:41Speaker 3: I will ask who, who has died. Is it, you know, is,
- 8:45Speaker 3: is this person still there?
- 8:47Speaker 2: You know?
- 8:47Speaker 3: And then most of the time you say yes, but
- 8:49Speaker 3: occasionally you say, Oh no, I don't know about that.
- 8:51Speaker 3: That person may not be with us.
- 8:52Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 8:53Speaker 3: Yeah. As long as Dick and Dayton is still with us,
- 8:56Speaker 3: I'll be happy.
- 8:57Speaker 2: The Dixter. He was so happy, Eddie, when I met him.
- 9:00Speaker 2: Oh my God. He, I felt like, uh, it was
- 9:03Speaker 2: like a make a wish thing. It was crazy. It
- 9:05Speaker 2: was so great. Uh, Never before and probably never again
- 9:09Speaker 2: will I meet someone that had the pure joy on
- 9:12Speaker 2: their face as Dick and Dayton. Like this was this
- 9:15Speaker 2: was like a huge thing. One of the few people
- 9:18Speaker 2: left that worships like radio and audio content and things
- 9:25Speaker 2: like that. I think I called you from. Kentucky when
- 9:29Speaker 2: I met him. Did I hand you the phone? I
- 9:31Speaker 2: think I did if I remember.
- 9:32Speaker 3: Yes.
- 9:33Speaker 2: Yes, you did.
- 9:34Speaker 3: It was fantastic. It was great to talk to Dick.
- 9:37Speaker 3: I'm sure he was very distraught over the Cleveland Browns
- 9:42Speaker 3: week one performance. Oh, my God.
- 9:47Speaker 2: Well, the Browns at this point are like a sitcom.
- 9:49Speaker 2: I've determined Todd Munkin, the new coach of the Browns,
- 9:51Speaker 2: is like George Costanza. And he's like, it's not a
- 9:55Speaker 2: lie if you believe it. It's just the stuff the
- 9:58Speaker 2: Browns do is next level. And it's like they're gaslighting
- 10:02Speaker 2: everyone with the things that are going on. Now, speaking
- 10:06Speaker 2: of things going on, how about your Pittsburgh Steelers, Eddie?
- 10:09Speaker 2: Another season. Aaron Rodgers, and right now the Steelers tied
- 10:12Speaker 2: for the top record in the NFL. What is the
- 10:16Speaker 2: Eddie Garcia level of excitement for the 2026 Steelers? One
- 10:20Speaker 2: game in, as we're talking here, one game into the
- 10:23Speaker 2: NFL season. On a scale of 1 to 10, Eddie Garcia,
- 10:26Speaker 2: how positive, how excited are you for this vintage of
- 10:30Speaker 2: the Steelers?
- 10:32Speaker 3: I'm a solid 5 right now. The fact that they
- 10:37Speaker 3: had to hold on and beat Cooper Rush in the
- 10:42Speaker 3: first game against a mediocre Falcon team was not very encouraging.
- 10:49Speaker 3: DK Metcalf has got the hands of an 80-year-old man, apparently.
- 10:56Speaker 3: He can't catch. Otherwise, he's great. He's really good at
- 10:59Speaker 3: pushing off. and really good at looking at himself in
- 11:02Speaker 3: a mirror, probably. But other than that, he's not very good.
- 11:05Speaker 3: I don't know. The T.J. Watt thing was pretty awesome.
- 11:09Speaker 3: I mean, that was a phenomenal play. That was fantastic.
- 11:13Speaker 3: But other than that, I thought they were pretty meh.
- 11:16Speaker 3: And I'm kind of pretty meh on Mike McCarthy and
- 11:18Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers.
- 11:19Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say Mike McCarthy not. You
- 11:22Speaker 2: were never a big Mike McCarthy fan. And now he's, how.
- 11:26Speaker 3: Does he keep up?
- 11:27Speaker 2: He must be amazing in interviews. And I, we, we
- 11:30Speaker 2: both know people in radio that aren't very good at
- 11:32Speaker 2: radio that get good jobs because they're, they're able to
- 11:36Speaker 2: smooth talk or I, and I said that word schmooze,
- 11:38Speaker 2: I guess is the right word. They're able to schmooze
- 11:40Speaker 2: the bosses. To me, that's like the most important thing.
- 11:44Speaker 2: And McCarthy, he must just have the magic Svengali effect
- 11:51Speaker 2: when he goes in interviews. He's had three of the
- 11:54Speaker 2: biggest jobs in terms of popularity.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:57Speaker 2: The Packers, the Cowboys, and the Steelers. Are you kidding me?
- 12:00Speaker 2: Those are the three biggest fan bases in the NFL,
- 12:04Speaker 2: and he's coached three of them. It's insane. That is amazing.
- 12:09Speaker 3: It really is amazing. I guess... I don't know. Like...
- 12:13Speaker 3: does ownership really give a crap that he's from Pittsburgh? Like,
- 12:17Speaker 3: I know that was like the big, you know, he's
- 12:19Speaker 3: a Pittsburgh native. This has been his dream job since
- 12:22Speaker 3: he was a child and blah, blah, blah. I'm sure.
- 12:24Speaker 3: I'm sure that's true, but like, do we really care
- 12:27Speaker 3: about that? We're like, we're trying to win football games here.
- 12:30Speaker 3: Like just cause he's from here and he's coached in
- 12:32Speaker 3: the NFL before. Like, I hope that was never considered
- 12:36Speaker 3: as a factor in why they hired him, but I
- 12:39Speaker 3: hope he does well. I hope he does well. I
- 12:41Speaker 3: don't believe he will, but I hope he does.
- 12:43Speaker 2: Like, where was Chuck Knoll from? Was he from... I
- 12:48Speaker 2: don't know.
- 12:50Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you don't... Like from Ohio or something,
- 12:52Speaker 3: I think. I don't know.
- 12:53Speaker 2: Well, that is the... Isn't that the breadbasket of coaches
- 12:56Speaker 2: is Ohio?
- 12:57Speaker 3: The cradle of coaches.
- 12:58Speaker 2: Oh, the cradle.
- 12:59Speaker 3: That's right.
- 12:59Speaker 2: I screwed that up. The breadbasket. I was thinking about...
- 13:02Speaker 2: I was thinking about bread at an Italian restaurant. As
- 13:04Speaker 2: you know, Eddie, my rule is still the same. If
- 13:07Speaker 2: you go to an Italian restaurant and they don't offer
- 13:09Speaker 2: complimentary bread, it's not a good Italian restaurant. If you
- 13:12Speaker 2: go to a Mexican restaurant and they don't have chips
- 13:14Speaker 2: on the table, not a good Mexican restaurant. Those are standard.
- 13:18Speaker 2: You've got to factor that into the cost of the food.
- 13:20Speaker 2: And if they don't do that, bad job by them.
- 13:23Speaker 2: That's why I was thinking about a bread basket. Because
- 13:25Speaker 2: if you go to an Italian restaurant, you've got to
- 13:26Speaker 2: have the basket of bread on the table. Otherwise, don't go.
- 13:31Speaker 3: Simple. A thousand percent agree. You and I have had
- 13:36Speaker 3: our differences over the years, but that's one thing you
- 13:38Speaker 3: and I will always agree on. Free chips, free bread,
- 13:42Speaker 3: or the places, never again.
- 13:44Speaker 2: Well, it's a bipartisan issue, and might I add, in
- 13:47Speaker 2: addition to that, it's not free. You're obviously paying for it.
- 13:50Speaker 2: You have to factor that in. It's free.
- 13:56Speaker 3: In my mind, it's free.
- 13:57Speaker 2: I'd also like to see all restaurants just include the
- 13:59Speaker 2: tax on the food item, not like after the fact,
- 14:03Speaker 2: that's annoying to me. There's a few places that say
- 14:06Speaker 2: this is the price. There's no, you know, that tax
- 14:08Speaker 2: is included in that, but they don't, most places don't
- 14:10Speaker 2: do that. That's just a small pet peeve, Eddie, just
- 14:12Speaker 2: a tiny, tiny pet peeve. So we're heading into week
- 14:17Speaker 2: two here, which began obviously on Thursday there last night.
- 14:21Speaker 2: And so heading into week two, I have determined based
- 14:25Speaker 2: on what I have read over the last few days here, Eddie,
- 14:28Speaker 2: that the Rams are not going to win a game.
- 14:31Speaker 2: because of what happened in Australia, and that Sean McVay
- 14:36Speaker 2: is going to leave based on his 60 Minutes interview,
- 14:39Speaker 2: which aired the other day, and he is going to
- 14:41Speaker 2: now go back to television, although he's never really done television,
- 14:45Speaker 2: and it's all over. The Rams, one game in, and
- 14:50Speaker 2: they're done, Eddie. Agree or disagree?
- 14:53Speaker 3: I would probably disagree with that. I think they'll be okay. However,
- 14:59Speaker 3: you know that the other Los Angeles team is very
- 15:03Speaker 3: near and dear to me because of my wife and
- 15:05Speaker 3: her happiness is important to me. So I am praying
- 15:08Speaker 3: for the football gods that there will be a victory
- 15:11Speaker 3: over the Raiders. This weekend or else things will be
- 15:14Speaker 3: in a very bad place in the Garcia household. So
- 15:17Speaker 3: we can make that happen. Football gods win over the
- 15:20Speaker 3: silver and black or else it's going to be a very,
- 15:23Speaker 3: very dark cloud over the Garcia home. So I need
- 15:25Speaker 3: that to happen. Ben, can that happen, please?
- 15:28Speaker 2: Did you did you talk your wife off the ledge
- 15:30Speaker 2: from the Cardinal game? Because that was the the Cardinals
- 15:33Speaker 2: who aren't even trying to win. The Cardinals, Jacoby Brissett
- 15:37Speaker 2: made plays for the Cardinals. That was wild.
- 15:40Speaker 3: It was awful. You know, I've always, like in life,
- 15:46Speaker 3: sometimes there are things that always encourage you, you know?
- 15:49Speaker 3: And my wife's optimism has always been an encouraging thing
- 15:52Speaker 3: that somehow after the season ended, where her Chargers have
- 15:55Speaker 3: disappointed her again. She will dust herself off, get up
- 15:59Speaker 3: on her feet, and be ready for the next season.
- 16:01Speaker 3: We were going to the game, and she's like, I'm
- 16:03Speaker 3: not even excited. I don't even think they're going to
- 16:05Speaker 3: win this game. She's like, I think they finally have
- 16:08Speaker 3: broken her. So that was not good to see. So
- 16:12Speaker 3: I really need a Raider loss this coming weekend to
- 16:17Speaker 3: lift up my poor wife.
- 16:19Speaker 2: Well, the Chargers have this uncanny ability of– If you
- 16:23Speaker 2: look at them on your tablet, they're like, wow, this
- 16:25Speaker 2: is a great team. This is wonderful. And then when
- 16:29Speaker 2: they actually play the games, either what happened where they
- 16:33Speaker 2: just didn't show up, and I don't know what they
- 16:35Speaker 2: were expecting to happen against the Cardinals, or they play well,
- 16:39Speaker 2: and then half the team is out with injury. It's
- 16:43Speaker 2: one of those two things. And I said this the
- 16:46Speaker 2: other night on the radio. Jim Harbaugh... It seems like
- 16:50Speaker 2: he's changed. I don't remember him. I know the quotes
- 16:54Speaker 2: are still goofy and all that, but what I recall,
- 16:56Speaker 2: and it might just be my memory of him with
- 16:58Speaker 2: the 49ers and at Michigan in the early days there,
- 17:01Speaker 2: even though he didn't have a lot of success early
- 17:03Speaker 2: on at Michigan, there was this no BS approach. And
- 17:06Speaker 2: it seems like there's a lot of, I don't know
- 17:09Speaker 2: if cutting the corners is the right way, but even
- 17:12Speaker 2: Harbaugh himself said that they should have done more in
- 17:15Speaker 2: training camp. to begin the year so it's it's one
- 17:18Speaker 2: of those weird deals with jim harbaugh i thought he
- 17:20Speaker 2: would do a much better job i just it's it
- 17:23Speaker 2: feels like the same product they change coaches it's like
- 17:26Speaker 2: they're they've got a talented roster and it's kind of
- 17:28Speaker 2: the same same deal uh and whatnot now believe it
- 17:32Speaker 2: or not i have i know the hockey season's starting
- 17:35Speaker 2: and i have done yes sir i have you're mr
- 17:38Speaker 2: hockey Mr. Hockey. And how many hockey podcasts you got
- 17:41Speaker 2: going on right now, Eddie? What do you got?
- 17:43Speaker 3: Only three.
- 17:44Speaker 2: Only three. Oh, my God.
- 17:46Speaker 3: All right. What a nightmare.
- 17:47Speaker 2: Three hockey podcasts. So I appeared on a– every once
- 17:51Speaker 2: in a while I'll get called to do these random
- 17:53Speaker 2: radio shows in like Edmonton or Winnipeg or places like that.
- 17:58Speaker 2: And I think some of these shows you go on also,
- 18:02Speaker 2: I think. I believe at least one of them, they
- 18:04Speaker 2: know who you are. So I go on, and they
- 18:07Speaker 2: always get upset that I don't talk too much hockey
- 18:10Speaker 2: or whatever. They'll always ask me about the local teams
- 18:13Speaker 2: and whatnot in L.A., thinking that I'm Mr. Expert on
- 18:17Speaker 2: all this stuff. And so my hot take, I was
- 18:20Speaker 2: asked on the spot. I think it was in Edmonton.
- 18:22Speaker 2: They asked me about the Kings, and I said it.
- 18:25Speaker 2: Here's my hot take. They're going to be about the
- 18:28Speaker 2: same as they were last year. Is that an accurate
- 18:30Speaker 2: hot take or is that an outrageously wrong hot take
- 18:34Speaker 2: on the outlook for the upcoming LA Kings here in
- 18:37Speaker 2: the 2026, 2027 season?
- 18:42Speaker 3: I have to say, I think that's spot on. Yes,
- 18:46Speaker 3: I think they're going to be pretty much the same
- 18:49Speaker 3: team we've seen the last five years. They always, they
- 18:52Speaker 3: rearrange the deck chairs and the Titanic just a little
- 18:54Speaker 3: bit here and there. They bring in a couple of
- 18:58Speaker 3: older guys because they love those old guys that are
- 19:00Speaker 3: at the end of their career. And I think that
- 19:02Speaker 3: these veteran guys are just going to somehow magically have
- 19:06Speaker 3: one more great season and push them over the top.
- 19:08Speaker 3: But do you know, Ben, that the Los Angeles Kings,
- 19:12Speaker 3: our Los Angeles Kings, have not won a playoff series
- 19:16Speaker 3: since you and I were standing on the ice at
- 19:18Speaker 3: then Staples Center celebrating a 2014 Stanley Cup championship. They
- 19:23Speaker 3: have not won a playoff series since then. And although
- 19:26Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like it was that long ago, it
- 19:29Speaker 3: was a long time ago.
- 19:31Speaker 2: Wow.
- 19:31Speaker 3: So I would really like them to somehow win a
- 19:35Speaker 3: playoff series. That's what we've gotten now with this team. Now, granted,
- 19:38Speaker 3: there are a lot of other teams out there that
- 19:41Speaker 3: wish they could go to the playoffs five years in
- 19:42Speaker 3: a row. Cause that's not nothing, but they lose in
- 19:45Speaker 3: the first round every time, usually to Edmonton, not this
- 19:48Speaker 3: past year. So again, it looks like this season they'll
- 19:53Speaker 3: be good enough to maybe squeak into the playoffs again
- 19:55Speaker 3: and then probably lose in the first round.
- 19:57Speaker 2: So what you're saying is they're stuck in the middle, Eddie.
- 19:59Speaker 2: They're stuck in the middle.
- 20:00Speaker 3: 100%.
- 20:01Speaker 2: Unlike the Angels, who are not in the middle. They're
- 20:04Speaker 2: at the very bottom, but they also haven't They haven't
- 20:06Speaker 2: won a playoff series, haven't even been in the playoffs
- 20:09Speaker 2: since 2014, haven't won a playoff series since Mike Socha
- 20:15Speaker 2: was the manager back in the day.
- 20:17Speaker 3: Socha.
- 20:19Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Socha. I was thinking about that. The King stuff,
- 20:23Speaker 2: I was thinking about being there when they won the
- 20:25Speaker 2: Stanley Cup. back, you know, not back to back, but two,
- 20:28Speaker 2: two out of three, right? Was it two out of three?
- 20:31Speaker 2: And I remember, and I, I was flashing back because
- 20:35Speaker 2: Barry Melrose just, and he was out in the media,
- 20:39Speaker 2: obviously he was doing stuff at ESPN. He was out there.
- 20:42Speaker 2: And when the Kings won the first Stanley cup, we
- 20:44Speaker 2: were all huddled up. I don't think you were with
- 20:46Speaker 2: me that, that moment, but we were huddled up underneath
- 20:50Speaker 2: the stands waiting for them. Cause they let the media
- 20:52Speaker 2: go out in the ice and stuff. It was really cool.
- 20:54Speaker 2: The hockey was, They do it much better in hockey
- 20:56Speaker 2: than in baseball or football or whatever. But when the
- 20:58Speaker 2: team wins, it's really an awesome thing. So we were
- 21:02Speaker 2: underneath waiting. I was underneath waiting to get let out
- 21:05Speaker 2: with the media horde to go out on the ice.
- 21:08Speaker 2: And I happened to be standing and watching on a monitor.
- 21:11Speaker 2: There's one little monitor underneath the bowels of the arena.
- 21:14Speaker 2: And Barry Melrose happened to be standing next to me
- 21:19Speaker 2: as the game ended. They beat the Devils, I believe.
- 21:22Speaker 3: I think it was like.
- 21:23Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, so... We were watching him on it. I
- 21:26Speaker 2: was thinking, how cool is this? Like, Barry Melrose was
- 21:29Speaker 2: the coach of the Kings when they had that run,
- 21:31Speaker 2: played Montreal in the Stanley Cup final. Here, they finally
- 21:34Speaker 2: win the Stanley Cup, and there he is watching on
- 21:36Speaker 2: a small, crappy monitor underneath the arena with me. What
- 21:41Speaker 2: a dream come true. But Barry, his career is wild
- 21:44Speaker 2: because he had, like, only– I thought he was a
- 21:46Speaker 2: good coach. I went back and looked. Like, I don't
- 21:48Speaker 2: want to rip him. He just passed away. But he had, like,
- 21:50Speaker 2: one year.
- 21:51Speaker 3: One year.
- 21:52Speaker 2: That's it.
- 21:52Speaker 3: His first year. His first year. That was it.
- 21:55Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. And that shows you, all you
- 21:58Speaker 2: have to do is make a good first impression, Eddie.
- 22:02Speaker 2: And then you can kind of look away a little bit.
- 22:05Speaker 2: To this day, I thought Barry Melrose is a really
- 22:08Speaker 2: good coach. No, I mean, he was good for one year,
- 22:13Speaker 2: and I was out there. I had mentioned this when
- 22:15Speaker 2: I talked about that kind of run-ins with Barry Mills,
- 22:18Speaker 2: but I was out there. He was still coaching. He
- 22:20Speaker 2: got fired mid-season. I was like, I don't know, 19
- 22:23Speaker 2: or 20 or whatever, and he got whacked mid-season and
- 22:26Speaker 2: then just went off and did TV, and then he
- 22:30Speaker 2: did come back and coach Tampa Bay. That was a disaster.
- 22:32Speaker 2: I remember that.
- 22:33Speaker 3: Very briefly, yes. He was there for like two weeks,
- 22:36Speaker 3: and then that was it. He said, TV is for me.
- 22:39Speaker 3: Let me go back to do that. This coaching thing is,
- 22:41Speaker 3: I did it. I'm good.
- 22:43Speaker 2: All right. I'm going to go rapid fire, Eddie. Let's
- 22:46Speaker 2: see here. Well, somewhat rapid fire. The biggest storylines in
- 22:49Speaker 2: hockey right now. from a non-hockey guy. When I was on,
- 22:53Speaker 2: I did an appearance in Winnipeg. They were freaking out
- 22:55Speaker 2: because their goaltender, Connor Hellebuck, he's not happy. He's a malcontent, Eddie.
- 23:03Speaker 2: I believe he's asked for a trade. Give me the
- 23:06Speaker 2: inside skinny, Eddie. What's going to happen with the, he's
- 23:08Speaker 2: one of the, but I love the name. I don't
- 23:09Speaker 2: know if he's good or not. I like the name.
- 23:11Speaker 2: I hope he's good, but where is he going to
- 23:12Speaker 2: end up?
- 23:13Speaker 3: He's a great, great regular season goalie and has pooped
- 23:17Speaker 3: his pants a la Ben Bishop in the playoffs numerous times.
- 23:21Speaker 2: I'm finally admitting, Eddie. You're finally admitting, Eddie.
- 23:23Speaker 3: I'm doing it to appease you. No, die, die, die.
- 23:27Speaker 2: So you're saying Connor Hellebuck is like the Lamar Jackson
- 23:30Speaker 2: of hockey? Is that what you're saying?
- 23:32Speaker 3: Fair, yes. That's very fair. Very talented, but when it
- 23:35Speaker 3: comes to him winning the big one, he comes up
- 23:38Speaker 3: very small. Now, he did win the gold medal for
- 23:41Speaker 3: the U.S.A., uh, against Canada and he made some fantastic saves.
- 23:44Speaker 3: So maybe that was a turning point in his career.
- 23:48Speaker 3: We shall see. Cause he did finally win a big game,
- 23:51Speaker 3: although that's one game. It's not a seven game series,
- 23:53Speaker 3: which they do with the Stanley cup playoffs. So he
- 23:56Speaker 3: still has to prove he can do it in a series,
- 23:58Speaker 3: but he did have that one big moment for him.
- 24:01Speaker 3: Maybe that's taken some of the stink off him, but, uh,
- 24:03Speaker 3: I think he goes to the Buffalo Sabres, uh, The Sabres,
- 24:07Speaker 3: and they're very excited in Buffalo right now with the
- 24:09Speaker 3: Bills and the Sabres, who had a Cinderella season last year.
- 24:14Speaker 3: And so I think they're going to really try and
- 24:15Speaker 3: go for it. So I'm going to say Connor Hellebuck
- 24:18Speaker 3: ends up in Buffalo.
- 24:19Speaker 2: All right. Well, take that. Where's Andy the comic book guy?
- 24:22Speaker 2: He's no longer the comic book guy. Remember Andy the
- 24:24Speaker 2: comic book guy? He's no longer Mr.
- 24:26Speaker 3: Comic Book. I do. I do remember him, yeah.
- 24:28Speaker 2: He's gone from comic books now. He didn't call the
- 24:30Speaker 2: show much. He's working the dreaded day shift and all that.
- 24:32Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too bad.
- 24:37Speaker 2: But Edmonton, they have a new coach, right? Don't they
- 24:39Speaker 2: have a guy that was in some controversy there in
- 24:42Speaker 2: Edmonton or not?
- 24:43Speaker 3: Yeah. You probably remember him when he was doing the
- 24:46Speaker 3: Mighty Ducks back in the early days there. Were you
- 24:48Speaker 3: not covering the team when he was down there?
- 24:50Speaker 2: Oh, Mike Babcock. Yeah.
- 24:54Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:55Speaker 2: My favorite Ducks coach was Ron Wilson. That's old school.
- 24:59Speaker 2: Ron was great. But yeah, Mike Babcock, he's been out
- 25:02Speaker 2: for a few years, right?
- 25:03Speaker 3: I think. Yeah. He told everyone he was retired. And
- 25:07Speaker 3: then Edmonton said, we'd like to hire you. And he said, what? Okay, sure.
- 25:11Speaker 3: I'll do that. I'll coach the greatest player in the
- 25:13Speaker 3: world and Connor McDavid. But yeah, he, he, you know, he,
- 25:17Speaker 3: he got the ducks to the cup final way back when,
- 25:19Speaker 3: and then he won a cup with a really, really
- 25:21Speaker 3: good Detroit team. And then he went to Toronto and
- 25:24Speaker 3: it was like a disaster. And then he went to
- 25:26Speaker 3: Columbus and he got fired before he even coached a game.
- 25:28Speaker 3: Cause he's, A lot of things have come out about
- 25:31Speaker 3: what a D-bag he is. But the Oilers apparently said,
- 25:35Speaker 3: we don't care. Go ahead and bring him here. And
- 25:38Speaker 3: they're doing anything to try and appease Conor McDavid, so
- 25:41Speaker 3: he resigns there. So we'll see how that works out.
- 25:45Speaker 3: It could be good. It could be a complete disaster.
- 25:47Speaker 3: Not sure of that guy because he's a bit of
- 25:48Speaker 3: a wacko.
- 25:49Speaker 2: Come on, Eddie. Conor McDavid of the Kings. Who says no?
- 25:52Speaker 2: It happened before. Edmonton star goes to the Kings a
- 25:55Speaker 2: million years ago.
- 25:57Speaker 3: All we need is the Edmonton Oiler to be in
- 25:59Speaker 3: financial ruin and sell off his best player for cash.
- 26:02Speaker 3: I don't think that that's going to happen, but I'd
- 26:06Speaker 3: be okay seeing it.
- 26:07Speaker 2: Where's Bruce McNall when you need him? Can we get
- 26:09Speaker 2: Bruce McNall back to make that?
- 26:12Speaker 3: That was a hell of a thing. That was not
- 26:16Speaker 3: quite the Islanders guy. Remember that New York Islanders guy
- 26:19Speaker 3: who came a hair within buying the team and he
- 26:22Speaker 3: actually had no money?
- 26:24Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, I just watched the 30 for 30.
- 26:27Speaker 3: It's one of the best.
- 26:29Speaker 2: Yeah, it is great. The guy had he just got
- 26:32Speaker 2: in with rich people. And it turns out when you're
- 26:35Speaker 2: around rich people, they assume you're rich if you get
- 26:37Speaker 2: into these country clubs and things like that. So he
- 26:40Speaker 2: was like hanging out with these guys in the Hamptons.
- 26:43Speaker 2: And then just by hanging out with him, he ended
- 26:46Speaker 2: up getting in a position where he almost got an
- 26:48Speaker 2: NHL team. That is incredible. That is one of the,
- 26:50Speaker 2: it is really, it's an old documentary now, but it's great.
- 26:52Speaker 2: It's one of those 30 for 30 on the Islanders,
- 26:57Speaker 2: which is, which is wonderful. I actually went on by,
- 27:00Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't remember the name. I was on
- 27:01Speaker 2: the morning show in Minnesota and one of the guys,
- 27:04Speaker 2: they have like a morning zoo type thing with a
- 27:07Speaker 2: bunch of people. And one of the guys was a
- 27:09Speaker 2: former New York Islander who had, who had been with
- 27:12Speaker 2: the team kind of around that time. And so we were,
- 27:14Speaker 2: we were chatting about that, which was, which was kind
- 27:17Speaker 2: of cool. What happened to my guy Torch? Vegas goes
- 27:19Speaker 2: to the Stanley Cup, and they rudely kicked him out.
- 27:22Speaker 2: That's not very nice, Eddie.
- 27:23Speaker 3: Well, they're not very nice in Vegas. They really don't care.
- 27:28Speaker 3: I was thinking they're kind of like the Raiders under
- 27:31Speaker 3: Al Davis. Like they don't give an F about anybody
- 27:34Speaker 3: or anything. It's just win, baby. And there's a part
- 27:37Speaker 3: of me that does kind of respect that. But, you know,
- 27:40Speaker 3: they've kind of... They don't treat people very well, but
- 27:46Speaker 3: they've had a ton of success. I mean, there's probably
- 27:49Speaker 3: no North American sports franchise, at least from day one,
- 27:52Speaker 3: that's been as successful as that team. But Torts really
- 27:56Speaker 3: killed himself, honestly. He had that thing in Anaheim where
- 28:00Speaker 3: he told he didn't talk to the media or let
- 28:03Speaker 3: his players talk to the media after a playoff game.
- 28:06Speaker 3: And that's a major no-no with the NHL. And so
- 28:10Speaker 3: they got docked a draft pick and he got fined.
- 28:13Speaker 3: And that did not sit well with the general manager
- 28:18Speaker 3: and the ownership there. And, you know, if he wins
- 28:21Speaker 3: the cup, maybe they bring him back. But you never
- 28:23Speaker 3: know with Vegas. They do all kinds of– they do
- 28:25Speaker 3: their own thing and they don't care about it, about
- 28:27Speaker 3: what anybody thinks of it.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Well, I would think that that's it, right? He's almost 70,
- 28:33Speaker 2: John Tortorella, at this point.
- 28:35Speaker 3: I don't think so, Ben. I think he's going to
- 28:37Speaker 3: get another job. I think it'll be a similar situation
- 28:40Speaker 3: where some team is really underachieving and they need somebody
- 28:43Speaker 3: to come in and kick him in the ass, and
- 28:45Speaker 3: he will definitely take the job. Guaranteed that. So I
- 28:48Speaker 3: bet he gets another job. I don't think anyone will
- 28:51Speaker 3: hire him at the start of the season, but as
- 28:53Speaker 3: a mid-season replacement, I could see it happening.
- 28:55Speaker 2: All right, I'm all for it. As you know, the
- 28:58Speaker 2: greatest quote by a coach that is generic is we
- 29:01Speaker 2: sucked at a time we cannot suck, which is universally
- 29:04Speaker 2: great for any sport. John Tortorella's rant.
- 29:07Speaker 3: And true.
- 29:08Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But it's so perfect. And I use it
- 29:13Speaker 2: all the time. I shadow. I don't give him credit anymore.
- 29:15Speaker 2: It's been too many years, but I love that quote.
- 29:18Speaker 2: We suck at a time you cannot suck, which is
- 29:21Speaker 2: so great. Rather than just the usual bull crap that
- 29:25Speaker 2: we get, just come out and say it, and that's it,
- 29:28Speaker 2: and Tortorella did it. What else is going on? There's
- 29:32Speaker 2: more games. Explain this to me, Eddie. I'm not that smart.
- 29:34Speaker 2: Explain it to me like I'm five years old. So
- 29:36Speaker 2: for years, we have done, on the overnight show, I've
- 29:39Speaker 2: done rants about, there's too many games you know people
- 29:42Speaker 2: complain there's too many baseball games there's too many basketball
- 29:45Speaker 2: games and the NHL this year has decided to play
- 29:50Speaker 2: more regular season games they're playing what is the logic
- 29:55Speaker 2: behind this.
- 29:56Speaker 3: Eddie Um, I guess, I don't know, more money, uh,
- 30:01Speaker 3: two extra.
- 30:03Speaker 2: Money, but they're going to 84 games. Is that right?
- 30:06Speaker 2: They've got more games.
- 30:08Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 30:08Speaker 3: I mean, they did like the NFL. They got rid
- 30:10Speaker 3: of some preseason games and added on a couple of
- 30:12Speaker 3: regular season games. So yeah, we'll see. It doesn't, I don't,
- 30:17Speaker 3: it doesn't bother me. I love hockey. So more hockey
- 30:19Speaker 3: is good for me, but get ready for expansion. Ben,
- 30:21Speaker 3: we're going to have new NHL teams coming in here
- 30:23Speaker 3: pretty soon. So We're going to have even more teams,
- 30:28Speaker 3: more markets, more players. It's going to happen.
- 30:31Speaker 2: More teams in warm weather cities that will annoy our
- 30:34Speaker 2: friends in Canada?
- 30:35Speaker 3: Yes. It'll be Houston, Atlanta, or Phoenix. One of those
- 30:40Speaker 3: three places will get a team.
- 30:42Speaker 2: Our old buddy Scott Farrell can come back and be
- 30:44Speaker 2: the voice of the Atlanta team. That's my Scott Farrell
- 30:51Speaker 2: in person.
- 30:52Speaker 3: I thought it was him. I thought he had joined
- 30:53Speaker 3: the interview.
- 30:55Speaker 2: I've had him on this podcast and Scott was in
- 30:57Speaker 2: a hotel room in New Jersey. He claimed to be
- 30:59Speaker 2: on a bed filled with cash that he had won
- 31:02Speaker 2: at the casino. And with him, normally you'd say, well,
- 31:05Speaker 2: that's not true. But with him, it's possible. And I'm
- 31:09Speaker 2: still upset at you, Eddie. I could have had Lenny
- 31:10Speaker 2: Dykstra in studio, but you did not allow me to
- 31:13Speaker 2: have the president.
- 31:13Speaker 3: Well, you know what? You can have him now. You
- 31:15Speaker 3: can have him come in all four hours, sit right
- 31:19Speaker 3: next to you, do whatever the hell you want, as
- 31:22Speaker 3: long as I'm not there.
- 31:24Speaker 2: I've heard he's cleaned up his life a little bit now.
- 31:26Speaker 3: He literally has.
- 31:27Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 31:28Speaker 3: Because those guys change, right? Because those guys change.
- 31:33Speaker 2: Well, think about, though, the other day I was contemplating,
- 31:37Speaker 2: when we were younger back in the day, the biggest
- 31:41Speaker 2: sports stars of the 1980s, let's say, you would have
- 31:46Speaker 2: assumed that a lot of those guys would not make
- 31:48Speaker 2: it to be older guys.
- 31:50Speaker 3: Mike Tyson.
- 31:52Speaker 2: He's still alive.
- 31:53Speaker 3: Can't believe it.
- 31:54Speaker 2: Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry. These guys were out there living
- 32:00Speaker 2: crazy lives. It is wild. Mike Tyson's becoming an older man.
- 32:06Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, that's a gift. And it's something that we
- 32:09Speaker 2: just assumed he would not He would not have. All right, well,
- 32:11Speaker 2: real quick, I'll get out on this. So the most
- 32:14Speaker 2: improved team in hockey right now for the hockey people, Eddie,
- 32:17Speaker 2: the most improved team is blank.
- 32:19Speaker 3: Most improved? Like, was it good last year and will
- 32:22Speaker 3: be good this year?
- 32:23Speaker 2: Baker won the offseason. How about that? Team that won
- 32:26Speaker 2: the offseason.
- 32:27Speaker 3: Washington Capitals, I think, won the offseason. They had a
- 32:30Speaker 3: lot of really good upgrades. They didn't make the playoffs
- 32:32Speaker 3: last year. They'll make the playoffs this year. I think
- 32:34Speaker 3: the San Jose sharks are going to make the playoffs
- 32:36Speaker 3: this year. They've been rebuilding for a long time. They're
- 32:38Speaker 3: probably going to get in this year as well. And
- 32:41Speaker 3: Montreal Canadians are building something really, really good, really good now.
- 32:45Speaker 3: And really, really young and a lot of good prospects too.
- 32:48Speaker 3: They're going to be very good. for many years to come.
- 32:50Speaker 2: All right. And I did read the other day and
- 32:52Speaker 2: I'm sure you love this. I read that the ducks
- 32:54Speaker 2: had the worst possible off season. They lost like three
- 32:57Speaker 2: or four of their top players. Is this accurate, Eddie?
- 32:59Speaker 2: They had a terrible time and they're going to suck
- 33:01Speaker 2: this year. Is that correct?
- 33:01Speaker 3: Yeah. They had something I think you would have enjoyed. They,
- 33:04Speaker 3: the Philadelphia flyers screwed them over. They signed their best
- 33:07Speaker 3: young player to this massive offer sheet. And then the
- 33:10Speaker 3: ducks had to either match it or let them walk
- 33:12Speaker 3: for four first round picks. They matched it. So they're
- 33:14Speaker 3: massively overpaying this guy and they've had a, And they've
- 33:17Speaker 3: got another young player they have to sign, which they
- 33:19Speaker 3: haven't signed yet. And so they're cutting players loose to
- 33:22Speaker 3: make room under the salary cap. So yes, they're, they're,
- 33:25Speaker 3: they're a bit screwed. They were going in the right
- 33:27Speaker 3: direction and now not so much.
- 33:29Speaker 2: All right. I got you. Well, Eddie, how can people
- 33:31Speaker 2: find your, your podcast? If they haven't found you yet,
- 33:35Speaker 2: if they're like, Hey, what happened to Eddie? How can
- 33:37Speaker 2: they find you? How can they listen to your podcast?
- 33:39Speaker 2: I know you've got three of them. So where can
- 33:41Speaker 2: people go?
- 33:42Speaker 3: Well, there's the puck podcast, which Ben is the longest
- 33:45Speaker 3: running hockey podcast on the planet earth. We were in
- 33:49Speaker 3: our 20th year of doing a show every week. There's
- 33:51Speaker 3: no other show that's been around longer. Prove me wrong.
- 33:54Speaker 3: It's the longest running hockey podcast in the history of
- 33:57Speaker 3: the world. So just search for puck podcast, wherever you
- 34:00Speaker 3: get your podcast, Spotify, Apple podcasts, all that kind of
- 34:04Speaker 3: good stuff. We're, we're everywhere. If you, if you like
- 34:06Speaker 3: the LA Kings, there's locked on LA Kings, which I
- 34:10Speaker 3: do at least five days a week, usually six days
- 34:12Speaker 3: a week, especially now that the season's coming. And if
- 34:15Speaker 3: that weren't enough, there's locked on NHL game night where
- 34:18Speaker 3: four days a week, I will recap the night in
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- 34:23Speaker 3: So check out all those things, wherever you get your
- 34:25Speaker 3: podcasts and on YouTube for the lockdown shows as well.
- 34:29Speaker 2: Outstanding. Thank you, Eddie. I appreciate it. Support Eddie. Come on, listen,
- 34:33Speaker 2: even if you're not a hockey guy, subscribe to the
- 34:35Speaker 2: podcast and listen to Eddie. He'll yap your ear off
- 34:38Speaker 2: about all things hockey. All right.
- 34:40Speaker 3: Thanks.
- 34:41Speaker 2: I'll see you at a charger game down the line.
- 34:42Speaker 2: We'll hang out again.
- 34:44Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll see them get a win for my poor wife.
- 34:46Speaker 3: But yes, I'll see you there.