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Did Mommy and live-in lover drag 6-year-old son to death? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Shock waves ripped through a family and a community when
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Speaker 1: a six year old little boy goes missing James Hutchinson again,
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Speaker 1: just six years old. Think about that, likely not even
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Speaker 1: in grade school, or at best just starting first grade.
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Speaker 1: How do you just disappear? For instance, if you take
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Speaker 1: your children to Walmart, wouldn't you notice one wasn't in
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Speaker 1: the car with you when you left? When you go
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Speaker 1: to bed at night and all your children are asleep,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you notice everyone was missing the next morning? How
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Speaker 1: does a six year old little boy just seemingly vanish
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Speaker 1: into thin air like a magic trip? Six year old
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Speaker 1: little James take a Listen to our friends at crime
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Speaker 1: line dot com. Twenty nine year old mother of four
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Speaker 1: Brittany Gosney and her forty two year old boyfriend James Hamilton,
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Speaker 1: go to the Middletown Police Department on a Sunday morning
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Speaker 1: to report her six year old son is missing. According
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Speaker 1: to family and friends, James Hutchinson is a happy, go
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Speaker 1: lucky child who smiles all the time and loves to
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Speaker 1: give hugs. Police organized search teams and continue to talk
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Speaker 1: to Gosney and Hamilton, but something is odd about their stories.
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Speaker 1: They don't quite match. Up. But that's not unusual at
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Speaker 1: the outset. Very often, when you're speaking to multiple witnesses
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Speaker 1: about a single event, they have different perspectives. I found
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Speaker 1: that to be true. As a matter of fact, when
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Speaker 1: witnesses stories aligne too much, that's a problem as well.
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Speaker 1: But who is this little boy? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: school Superintendent Marlin Style speaking to our friends at WCPO nine.
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Speaker 1: He would come running towards the front doors of the
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Speaker 1: school building with a giant smile on his face, and
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Speaker 1: he gave the biggest and as they said, the bestest
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Speaker 1: hugs you've ever That was James on the daily basis.
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Speaker 1: You know, oftentimes in education, we have incentives to reward
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Speaker 1: students for making their making their dreams come true and
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Speaker 1: reaching their goals. One recent incentive at Rosa Park's Elementary,
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Speaker 1: we found James in the cafeteria to big smile on
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Speaker 1: his face because he was rewarded with the Lucky Lunch
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Speaker 1: trade and that was important to him. The staff just
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Speaker 1: shared how joyful he was to be able to receive
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Speaker 1: the Lucky Lunch trade. I'm just thinking right now about
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Speaker 1: my twins. They've just turned thirteen, but at this age
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Speaker 1: they would literally jump in the car when I would
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Speaker 1: pick him up after school and be thrilled to tell
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Speaker 1: me one of them had gotten a quote purple card
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Speaker 1: that means you did something great at school, like you
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Speaker 1: exhibited great behavior, or you you held the door for someone,
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Speaker 1: or you help somebody feel better on the playground. They
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Speaker 1: would be thrilled when they got a purple card, and
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Speaker 1: that would be the topic of conversation at supper, throughout
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Speaker 1: the day, throughout the evening, till they went to bed.
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Speaker 1: How proud we were they got a purple card. This
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Speaker 1: little boy gets the lucky Lunch trade. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that is, but I know it was something big
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Speaker 1: in six year old James's world. With me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. First of all, joining me out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, but he practices all over the country. Former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney Daryl Cohen with Cohen, Cooper, Estep
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Speaker 1: and allan psychiatrist also joining me out of the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: jurisdiction this morning. Renowned in that jurisdiction, doctor Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: at angela Arnold md dot com. Former La County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: sergeant twenty six years with Special Victims Bureau specializing in children.
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott is joining us. Doctor Kendall Crowns, the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the state, joining me out of Texas. That's
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Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin. Courtney King, investigative reporter for Fox nineteen
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Speaker 1: in Own w X i X. All of us coming
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Speaker 1: together about James Scott. Let me go to you, Courtney King.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the day that this little boy is
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Speaker 1: reported missing. I understand it was twenty seven, yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: so on Saturday, actually actually was Sunday, the twenty eighth,
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Speaker 1: is when Brittany Gosney and her boyfriend James Hamilton go
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Speaker 1: into the Middletown Police Department. Middletown is about forty five
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Speaker 1: minutes northwest of Cincinnati, and this is where they report
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Speaker 1: James missing, and an officer called in a detective because
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Speaker 1: the one who took the report, because they felt something
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Speaker 1: was off with the couple, especially because they came in
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Speaker 1: to make the report instead of calling nine one one
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Speaker 1: like most parents do when a child is missing. So
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Speaker 1: that's kind what spiraled the investigation into what it's since become.
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Speaker 1: You know, when they first went in Courtney King, What
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Speaker 1: were police dealing with? Then? Did the little boy vanish
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Speaker 1: from his own bed at night? Did he not come
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Speaker 1: home from school? Did he ride the school bus but
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Speaker 1: wasn't on the school bus? I mean, are they actually
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Speaker 1: in school in that area or are they learning by remote?
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Speaker 1: What did the parents say? So that is something we're
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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out. We do know James was
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Speaker 1: in the first grade at Rosa Parks Elementary in Middletown,
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Speaker 1: But in terms of what they said to officers, they
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Speaker 1: have not fully revealed that. What they did say at
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Speaker 1: a press conference, but then also in police reports is
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Speaker 1: that both Brittany Gosney and James Hamilton had conflicting stories.
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Speaker 1: Should out to Darryl Cohen. Darryll, you know what, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you just can't win for losing. For instance, if I
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Speaker 1: would put up two witnesses on the stand and their
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Speaker 1: stories were exactly a lot the defense which shred that,
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Speaker 1: or try to on cross examination and closing arguments because
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Speaker 1: clearly they have been coached according to the defense. But
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Speaker 1: if there's an inconsistency, which typically happens because everybody doesn't
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Speaker 1: see the crime the same way, the same lighting, the
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Speaker 1: same vantage point, the same recollection. If there's an inconsistency,
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Speaker 1: then the defense shreds that debens or tries to. So
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Speaker 1: the fact that two statements are not identical would not
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Speaker 1: bother me at the get go, Nancy, the fact that
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Speaker 1: the two statements are not identical is wonderful. You are
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Speaker 1: definitely between, as they say, a rock and a hard place.
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Speaker 1: But if they are identical, first of all, you and
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Speaker 1: I are standing directly next to each other looking at
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Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. When asked to describe it will
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Speaker 1: describe the same thing in different words. You may focus
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Speaker 1: on X, and I may focus on why. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean you're low or I'm lying. It means we see
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Speaker 1: it from a different perspective. So I am right there
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Speaker 1: with you. If their lockstep in their testimony, they've been
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Speaker 1: coached to the point of telling what needs to be told,
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Speaker 1: whether that be the truth or not. If there's an
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Speaker 1: inconsistency or two, that's wonderful, And I point that out
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Speaker 1: on closing argument, I'm beg you do trying to make
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Speaker 1: a silk purse out of a salsier. As a defense
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Speaker 1: attorney not judging, but I agree with your premise. Now
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Speaker 1: it does depend on how inconsistent if it's a glaring inconsistency.
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Speaker 1: For instance, if one person says that I last saw
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Speaker 1: him in bed and the other person says, we last
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Speaker 1: saw him playing in the front yard with his sister
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Speaker 1: and brother, that's a problem. That's a big inconsistency. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the disappearance of a six year old
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Speaker 1: little boy. James Hutchinson straight back out to Courtney King
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Speaker 1: with Fox nineteen x I X another issue. Hold on Courtney,
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Speaker 1: I hear that Dan Scott wants in Dan Scott, La
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Sergeant Specialty Children, Dan Scott, did you notice
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Speaker 1: that they did not call nine one one they went
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Speaker 1: to the police station. Did that jump out at you.
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Speaker 1: That's extremely unusual. Normally they're going to the purse, the
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Speaker 1: parent is going to call nine one immediately. They're going
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Speaker 1: to be distraught. When you talked about inconsistencies, that is
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Speaker 1: definitely something we looked at or look at and rehearsed statements.
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Speaker 1: But you also look at their emotional state, their demeanor.
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Speaker 1: The timeliness in reporting minor inconsistencies are fine, but like
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Speaker 1: you said, if it's a major inconsistency, the demeanor is
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Speaker 1: not appropriate. A parents should be beside themselves with a
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Speaker 1: six year old missing. You know what He's right, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold announce psychiagist join inside of the Atlanta area.
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Speaker 1: What would you expect to see and two parents? And I,
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Speaker 1: like Courtney King, wx IX and Dan Scott, I also
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Speaker 1: have a problem with not calling nine one one the
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Speaker 1: moment you realize the child is missing. But go ahead, sure,
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Speaker 1: because Nancy, the moment your child is missing. If anyone
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Speaker 1: has ever experienced that, and I'm sure there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who have experienced losing their child somewhere
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Speaker 1: and you immediately go into a panic mode. You want
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Speaker 1: to shut down everything and have everybody you can looking
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Speaker 1: for your child. And I think it's very unusual for
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Speaker 1: two people to maybe stroll into the police department and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: we have a missing child. You would expect them to
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Speaker 1: be crying and distraught and inconsolable. I don't imagine there
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Speaker 1: could be any calm at all. So just think everyone,
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Speaker 1: think about have you ever lost your child for a
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Speaker 1: and how did you feel at that moment? There is
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Speaker 1: no calm, and then afterwards, when you find the child, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you just there's this feeling of everything goes through your
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Speaker 1: mind about what could have possibly happened to that child.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a six year old little boy, James Hutchinson.
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Speaker 1: We understand that mom, Brittany Gosney and her boyfriend James
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Speaker 1: Hamilton go to the police station to report the little
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Speaker 1: boy missing. And we're making a lot of hey about that.
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Speaker 1: But is it a serious issue or did they decide
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Speaker 1: to go straight to the police to report missing hopefully
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Speaker 1: hopefully getting more action from police. We were just talking
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist, who was describing how many
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Speaker 1: parents feel their child goes missing. I want to go
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Speaker 1: to a special guest joining us, Tracy Campbell. She's a
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Speaker 1: public relationships director with north Star International Search and Recovery.
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Speaker 1: To Tracy Campbell, Tracy, have you dealt with parents who
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Speaker 1: are missing a child before? Oh? Absolutely? What is their
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Speaker 1: typical demeanor? Franic Franic besides themselves crying? But we don't
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Speaker 1: know here about to Courtney King w X I X.
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Speaker 1: We don't know their behavior. We don't know their demeanor
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Speaker 1: because it has not been released. Guys, what happened to
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Speaker 1: this little boy? Take a listen to our friend Sean
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Speaker 1: Coulday at wh Io TV for investigators. This is a
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Speaker 1: story that started yesterday when the mother and her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: should have here to the Middletown Police station saying their
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Speaker 1: son was missing. Investigators thought that sounded strange, so they
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Speaker 1: separated the mother and her boy friend and from there
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Speaker 1: they say the mom told a horrific story they come
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Speaker 1: to the station to report their son missing. They also
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Speaker 1: think that is strange. But is it in the grand scheme?
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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes when you don't get satisfaction over the phone,
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Speaker 1: you just got to get in the car and go
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Speaker 1: to the location. So at the very beginning, let me
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Speaker 1: go straight back out to you, Tracy Campbell, PR Director
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Speaker 1: north Star International Search and Recovery. What would be the
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Speaker 1: first thing that you do when parents say my son
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Speaker 1: is gone? How do you start that kind of search? Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, I need to clarify so we are volunteer.
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Speaker 1: We do not get involved until a police agency asks
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Speaker 1: us to come in and that's what happens. Wonderful question
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Speaker 1: to you. What would be the first thing searchers should
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Speaker 1: do when a child is reported missing? Yeah, we would
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Speaker 1: want to know where they were last seeing what the
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Speaker 1: description was. Was there anything wrong with the child? Did
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Speaker 1: they have an ailment with journey disability? Dan Scott, formerly
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Speaker 1: with La County Sheriff's sergeant twenty six years. Dan, I
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Speaker 1: think that was you jumping in about search the house,
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Speaker 1: and hey, wait a minute, I agree with you number one,
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Speaker 1: But we know so little about what the parents told
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Speaker 1: police at the get go, Like were they in a
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Speaker 1: park that morning? Were they was he playing out in
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Speaker 1: the front yard like Samantha running was when she was
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Speaker 1: abducted from her grandma's house. Was she asleep in her
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Speaker 1: bed like Elizabeth Smart? It could go so many different ways,
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Speaker 1: so it really depends on what the parents' story is.
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Speaker 1: But you're saying search the house first. What do you
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Speaker 1: do then, Dan Scott, what you want to do is obviously,
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Speaker 1: if it was in a park, you're going to start there.
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Speaker 1: But if it's reported that the child had anything to
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Speaker 1: do with the home, as soon as possible, you want
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Speaker 1: to get back to that home and are searching. Even
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Speaker 1: if the parents tell you they've searched that room, you
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Speaker 1: have to search everything, even the logical places in the garage,
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Speaker 1: in the closets. In any little crawl space. Children have
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Speaker 1: crawled into refrigerators and cabinets, so you have to check
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Speaker 1: the home. A six year old is considered a critical missing.
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Speaker 1: That's when we go all out to find that child immediately.
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Speaker 1: It's not like a teenager that's missing. A six year old,
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Speaker 1: you're going to bring all your resources to bear, regardless
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Speaker 1: of the size of the department. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that? A six year old is considered critical missing
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Speaker 1: because they don't normally just wander off or go stay
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Speaker 1: with friends or anything like that. The younger the child,
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Speaker 1: the more serious it is that they were either abducted
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Speaker 1: or something of that nature, or even if they did
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Speaker 1: get lost, they're at such a young age they can't
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Speaker 1: take care of themselves, so you want to get all
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Speaker 1: your resources looking for that child immediately. That's really hard
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Speaker 1: to gauge where the cops should start first because we
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Speaker 1: don't know what the parents said. But generally speaking, Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: I think you'll agree with me. You've prosecuted and defended
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Speaker 1: so many cases that sp standard operating procedure is you
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Speaker 1: start at the home or the location child I've seen,
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Speaker 1: and you start working out, for instance, if it's at
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Speaker 1: the home, you do the home, and then you go
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Speaker 1: to the yard, then the neighborhood, then the corner store,
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Speaker 1: and then the church whatever is in that area. And
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Speaker 1: also following up a what Dan Scott said, do I
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Speaker 1: have to say John Bonnet or Ramsey because the cops
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Speaker 1: search the home at oops missed a room and that
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Speaker 1: was the room where her body was cut. Nancy, Look,
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Speaker 1: you not only searched the house. You search the house,
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Speaker 1: the house and the grounds, as we used to say,
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Speaker 1: the curtlage of the house. We look in trash cans,
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Speaker 1: we look under bushes, we look to see if there's
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Speaker 1: any freshly dug dirt. We look everywhere, and then when
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Speaker 1: we've looked there, we look again, and then we look again.
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Speaker 1: Then we bring out the dogs to see if they
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Speaker 1: can pick up a set. There is no stern, untone unturned,
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Speaker 1: always always, always look at everything and look at it
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Speaker 1: over and over again. At first, we had an issue
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Speaker 1: with the fact that there seemed to be inconsistencies and
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Speaker 1: the mom and the living boyfriends story. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the rest of what sean kind of hey WHIOTV
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Speaker 1: was telling us in Middletown Monday, night, about two hundred
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Speaker 1: people gathered for a prayer, a message, and a tribute,
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Speaker 1: all in memory of six year old James Hutchinson, who
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Speaker 1: was our world, who's biological father can't comprehend his son
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Speaker 1: is gone. I don't know how somebody could be a
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Speaker 1: monster and thinks ode and his own mother at the
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Speaker 1: This is heartbreaking for all of us, and it's it's difficult.
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Speaker 1: Middletown police have charged six year old James's mother, Brittany Gonzy,
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Speaker 1: with murder and other crimes. Goncy's boyfriend, James Hamilton, also
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Speaker 1: facing charges. According to investigative documents from the Premble County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, Godzy this weekend admitted she had killed Hutchinson,
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Speaker 1: her son, because her boyfriend wanted to get rid of
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Speaker 1: the kids. Did you hear that the reason their stories
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Speaker 1: were inconsistent? Courtney King, Angela Arnold, Darryl Cohen, Tracy Campbell,
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott, everybody agreed that that's something you have to
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Speaker 1: look at. If it's a minor inconsistency, no big deal.
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Speaker 1: If it's a major inconsistency, the first thing you do
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Speaker 1: is what these cops rightly did. Separate and interrogate because
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Speaker 1: if they're together, Daryl Cohen, they'll stick together with their story.
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Speaker 1: If you separate them, you can carve them up like
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Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving turkey. Bam oh, Absolutely, you carve them up.
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Speaker 1: You separate them, and you give them time, You give
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Speaker 1: them silence. You darken the room, not too dark, but
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Speaker 1: just enough they feel isolated. It's an interrogation, not one
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Speaker 1: of your your Saturday night dates, Daryl co when you
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Speaker 1: it was next the Little Music Jazz Flavors Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: a little six year old boy, James Hudginson goes missing
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't take cops very long once they separate
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Speaker 1: bio mom from her living boyfriend to find out what happened.
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Speaker 1: The mommy says, I did it, but he made me
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Speaker 1: do it. You know what, Just save it, save it
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Speaker 1: all that he made me do it. That's total b s.
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Speaker 1: They are two demons from hell. One is Satan Lucifer
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Speaker 1: and one is Bill Zebub, the henchman stirring the pot
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Speaker 1: together of pain and torture. That's just the way I
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Speaker 1: see them. But to you, Dan Scott, you've done a
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Speaker 1: lot of interrogations. I love interrogations. I don't know about you,
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Speaker 1: but I especially love to separate codefendants and pursue it
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Speaker 1: to the constitution of course, conducting interrogation and really hammering
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Speaker 1: in on those inconsistencies. You can even go so far
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Speaker 1: as to say, hey, Jackie Kelly's right out right now,
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Speaker 1: So what really happened? She says you did it? Is
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Speaker 1: that true? Did you do it? That's perfectly okay under
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Speaker 1: the constitution, Dan, what would you do? That's exactly what
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Speaker 1: I would do. And I guarantee you that the cops
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Speaker 1: knew really quick that something was wrong here, and it
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Speaker 1: won't take long once you separate them. I did love
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Speaker 1: doing interrogations, and it's I'd be as right from the
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Speaker 1: get go that these people would be lying. And then
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Speaker 1: you do play one off the other and you can
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Speaker 1: lie to them too. We can tell them other that
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend said she did it, or vice versa, and
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Speaker 1: watch them squirm and it won't take long. It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: take long for the officers to get a confession and
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Speaker 1: to see this story completely break down. You know, we've
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Speaker 1: been judging mommy as to how she should react with
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Speaker 1: her child missing, how we would expect her to behave
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Speaker 1: what we think her meaning would be. But take a
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Speaker 1: list of our friend Karen Johnson at WLWT News five.
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Speaker 1: James Hutchinson, a six year old who family members say
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Speaker 1: gave the best hugs and cheek kisses. A first grader
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Speaker 1: at Rosa Parks Elementary School whose joyful spirit brightened the classroom.
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Speaker 1: Middletown police say James died over the weekend at the
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Speaker 1: hands of his mother, twenty nine year old Brittany Gosney.
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Speaker 1: The mother is now showing much remorse. At this time,
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Speaker 1: she has confessed to doing this. We still don't know
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Speaker 1: how the child died, but we do know mommy doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem to be too worried about it. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more from Karen Johnson. Wlwtn's five. Investigators say Gosney
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend James Hamilton, went to the police department
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Speaker 1: yesterday to report James missing. That was the first red
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Speaker 1: flag they showed up instead of calling nine one one.
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Speaker 1: Police say they later learned Gosney intended on abandoning James
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Speaker 1: and his two siblings at rush Round Park in Prebble County.
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Speaker 1: When James was out of the car in this lot,
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Speaker 1: Court documents state he attempted to get back in, Gosney
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Speaker 1: took off and dragged her son. Police say Gosney told
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Speaker 1: them she returned thirty to forty minutes later and James
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Speaker 1: was dead. She placed his body in the car. She
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Speaker 1: took the other two back with James, and they were
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Speaker 1: responded back to the residents straight out to special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us in addition to Tracy Campbell, PR, Director of
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Speaker 1: Northstar International Search and Recovery, who is actually working the case.
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Speaker 1: But first to doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas.
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Speaker 1: That's Austin, doctor Kendall Crowns. Did you just hear what
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Speaker 1: our friend Karen Johnson said. The little boy, even though
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Speaker 1: he had been horribly abused, tried to get back in
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Speaker 1: the car with mommy. She slammed the door and dragged him,
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Speaker 1: dragged him, leaving his body after having been dragged, comes
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Speaker 1: back thirty forty minutes later with her children, her other
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Speaker 1: children in the car, throws now dead James, six years old,
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Speaker 1: in the car and goes home. How would that kill
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Speaker 1: a child? So when you get dragged by a car,
23:28
Speaker 1: you can have a number of things happen. You can
23:30
Speaker 1: get the actual road rash or the grating away of
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Speaker 1: your skin from the blacktop of the road can cause
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Speaker 1: significance soft tissue damage and blood loss. You can also
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Speaker 1: be hit by parts of the car. Usually it's the
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Speaker 1: wheels that run over the child or the individual as
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Speaker 1: they're trying to hold onto the car, and that will
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Speaker 1: cause fractures of ribs, skull extremities, etc. And then that
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Speaker 1: will cause deeper injuries the organs, like lacerating the liver
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Speaker 1: and heart and causing extensive blood loss. So usually in
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Speaker 1: people that are dragged by cars, you see any combination
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Speaker 1: of those findings. To Dan Scott, former La County sheriff
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Speaker 1: sergeant specializing in children, can you imagine the terror this
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Speaker 1: little boy went through after being abused so horribly by
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Speaker 1: his mother and her living lover. He's still trying to
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Speaker 1: get back in the car with mommy and as siblings
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Speaker 1: as that door smammed on him and mommy took off
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Speaker 1: dragging him. Don't you know those children in the backseat
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Speaker 1: were screaming their heads off. They could hear him screaming
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Speaker 1: as mommy kept driving. It is horrible and the last
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Speaker 1: moments of that boy's life would have been horrendous. But
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Speaker 1: you also have to look like you mentioned that the
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Speaker 1: siblings is abuse in itself. The emotional abuse of watching
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Speaker 1: your sibling being murdered by your mother is something that
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Speaker 1: is not even comprehendable for most people, and they're going
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Speaker 1: to be carrying that for the rest of their lives
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Speaker 1: and dealing with it. Here's more from our friends at
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Speaker 1: WLWT News five. Back to their home on Crawford Street
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Speaker 1: in Middletown. Police say Gosney put his body in a
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Speaker 1: bedroom upstairs sometimes Saturday night, Saturday evening when the other
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Speaker 1: kids fell asleep. That's when they responded to to seventy
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Speaker 1: five by Lawrenceburg and that's when they disposed of James
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Speaker 1: in the New High River. Police say Hamilton helped Gosney
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Speaker 1: throw james body over the two seventy five bridge into
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Speaker 1: the river. Oh I could think of right then, Courtney Kane,
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Speaker 1: our friend joining us from Fox nineteen and you know
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Speaker 1: ww X I X was my own children, and how
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Speaker 1: tiny and helpless they were at age six two throw
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Speaker 1: his body into a river. But also, Courtney King, as
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, I can't help but comment Courtney that
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Speaker 1: even now Mommy is lying because she's saying he made
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Speaker 1: me do it, But I'm not hearing about they live
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Speaker 1: in James Hamilton being in the car when mommy did this,
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't jibe with him making her do it,
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Speaker 1: don't into So he was actually indicted on several charges
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Speaker 1: including growth, abuse of a corpse, tampering with evidence. So, police,
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Speaker 1: do you believe he was somehow involved with James? Do
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Speaker 1: we think he was in the car? Well, that we
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Speaker 1: don't know for sure. He is charged with things like
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Speaker 1: kidnapping and endangering children indie indictment, but that we don't
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Speaker 1: know for sure. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a listen, guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the disappearance of James Hutchinson six. We
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Speaker 1: now know he's dead thanks to mommy and her boyfriend.
27:31
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. This is Ken
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Speaker 1: Brown from Fox nineteen. Listen the police chief revealing today
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Speaker 1: that James's two siblings were along for the unimaginable ride.
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Speaker 1: Both we're not hurt. The mother is now showing much
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Speaker 1: remorse at this time, but she has confessed to doing this.
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Speaker 1: That's why we're able to get the charges. We'll know
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Speaker 1: more once James is recovered and we can get a
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Speaker 1: cornered to do an autopsy. Is it true, Courtney King,
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Speaker 1: that when she goes back to get the body, she
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Speaker 1: leaves the other children. What happened to the other children?
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Speaker 1: So right now we know that they are in the
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Speaker 1: city of CPS and we're still not sure exactly where
28:21
Speaker 1: they're going. They did tell us that will authorities till
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Speaker 1: us that they are in foster care. We do know
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Speaker 1: some of the family members from Brittany's side of this
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Speaker 1: are trying to get the children, but as far as
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Speaker 1: we know, they're still in foster Okay, So I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what happened at the time. Take us
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Speaker 1: to our cut four. This is Fox nineteen. Now a
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Speaker 1: six year old child is dead, his mother is behind bars,
28:47
Speaker 1: and his two siblings are now in foster care after
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Speaker 1: Brittany Gossney is accused of attempting to abandon her children
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Speaker 1: in Rush Run wildlife area in Prebble County. It is
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Speaker 1: a hard heart rendering case the allegations, sir, but also
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Speaker 1: as I must always say, that everybody is entitled to
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Speaker 1: the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court
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Speaker 1: of law. And so that's why I don't discuss opinions
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Speaker 1: of evidence free trial. I don't try cases in the newspaper. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: that's all well and do. But what I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out is where is this little boy's body abandoning
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Speaker 1: her children in Rush Run wildlife area. Let's go to
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us, Tracy Campbell, the PR director for
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Speaker 1: north Star International Search and Recovery, a voluntary group that
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Speaker 1: acts once they are called in by local law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Chasey Campbell, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: As of right now, James's body, this little six year
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Speaker 1: old child, has not been found. Is that correct? Correct?
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about this area? Rush Run?
30:01
Speaker 1: I'm not even familiar with what you're referring to. Is
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Speaker 1: Rush Run? Okay to Courtney King Fox nineteen. Where is
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Speaker 1: Rush Rush Run? So? Rush Run is about thirty minutes
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Speaker 1: northwest of Middletown and that's in Prebble County. Middletown is
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Speaker 1: in Butler County, Ohio. Prebble County is also Ohio. So
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Speaker 1: it's basically a wildlife a big park that people go
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Speaker 1: to have a picnic or maybe get some exercise outside
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Speaker 1: a family type place. So it's a pretty well known
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Speaker 1: park in that area of Ohio. Where is it in
30:37
Speaker 1: relation to where we think mommy throwed the body over
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Speaker 1: into the water, So it's pretty it's pretty far from
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Speaker 1: that because authorities say that she put James into the
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Speaker 1: water and near Lawrenceburg, Indiana, So that would be about
30:53
Speaker 1: in at least an hour's south. I would say from Pebble,
30:58
Speaker 1: No wonder Schrice Campbell has a heart of it, it's
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Speaker 1: like an hour away. PR Director north Star International Search
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Speaker 1: and Recovery Tracy tell me about the search for James's body. Okay, Um, Well,
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Speaker 1: it was disclosed to us that the body was put
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Speaker 1: into the water at the two seventy five Lawrenceburg Bridge
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Speaker 1: down here. Um, it's been heavy rainfall, a lot of snow,
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Speaker 1: The river is in flood zone, the bank is covered
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Speaker 1: um underneath water. So we weren't able to get out
31:36
Speaker 1: exactly how we wanted to. Yesterday. We had a search
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Speaker 1: that encompassed several agencies. We had Prebble County Sheriff's Department,
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Speaker 1: we um on behalf of them in Middletown, Butler County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, north Star International, Landstar or Ohio Landstar Butler
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Speaker 1: provided a helicopter their command center. We had canine dogs,
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Speaker 1: we had a water patrol on standby, We had mounted patrol,
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Speaker 1: ground searchers, drones. We had every aspect covered. But the water,
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Speaker 1: the river is just not cooperating. We can't get exactly
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Speaker 1: where we want to be due to the high waters
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Speaker 1: and the debris. Take a listen to our cut fifteen.
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Speaker 1: This is Raven Richard WCPO nine. This search for James
32:35
Speaker 1: just started but is now paused because of the rising
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Speaker 1: levels in the Ohio River. But it is frustrating because
32:41
Speaker 1: you know, you think that if not as much time
32:44
Speaker 1: goes by, you'll find the person. You have a better
32:46
Speaker 1: indication of where the person may be, you know. But
32:49
Speaker 1: with this water and the time going past, you don't know.
32:54
Speaker 1: The river is expected to reach fifty four feet by Thursday.
32:57
Speaker 1: If you had a boat out in this type of
32:59
Speaker 1: weather with the water, it could be hard to control
33:02
Speaker 1: the boat. Also, sometimes the water may look calm on top,
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Speaker 1: but underneath it's anything but. Incident Commander Jeff Cherie with
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Speaker 1: North Store International Search and Rescue knows the dangers. Items
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Speaker 1: are moving by us so quickly. Logs and large debris
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Speaker 1: that it's hard to see what we're even looking for.
33:21
Speaker 1: I want to be in any waterways at this point.
33:24
Speaker 1: When the water rises rapidly after long winter, it's going
33:26
Speaker 1: to pick up all sorts of debris that are on
33:28
Speaker 1: the river banks. So as you can see, the water
33:30
Speaker 1: is kind of churning a little bit, lots of items.
33:32
Speaker 1: It's becoming heart wrenching. Well, I think of all the
33:35
Speaker 1: logs and the debris churning and going round and round
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Speaker 1: in that river. I think about everyone at north Stoy
33:42
Speaker 1: International Search and Recovery trying to find this little boy's body.
33:48
Speaker 1: To Tracy Campbell joining us from North Story International, what
33:53
Speaker 1: are the searchers up against the river, the Ohio River
33:58
Speaker 1: and time you know, there is still moving rapidly and
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Speaker 1: the waters are still high. They've not gone down as
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Speaker 1: quickly as what we thought, so we're not sure, if
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Speaker 1: you know, we had an indication where we wanted to
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Speaker 1: look for little James, but based upon the current of
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Speaker 1: the water, we're not sure. We'll just keep looking. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: we covered from two seventy five all the way down
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Speaker 1: to Aurora, covering the banks as much as we could
34:28
Speaker 1: and mounted and we had drones but no success yet.
34:33
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about Tracy Campbell and everyone
34:36
Speaker 1: else with North Star out there, braving the elements, trying
34:40
Speaker 1: to find this little boy. You know, unless you've been there,
34:44
Speaker 1: or you've been part of a search before, you don't
34:47
Speaker 1: know how difficult it is to just what do you do?
34:50
Speaker 1: Just you just start looking. They're using everything they can, drones, dogs,
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Speaker 1: mounted by foot trying to find this little boy, and
34:59
Speaker 1: mother nature is waging a war against them the whole time.
35:02
Speaker 1: And all I can think about is this mother, This
35:07
Speaker 1: mother to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrist, what I can't even
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Speaker 1: call her mother. For a man to walk up and say, hey,
35:18
Speaker 1: I'm sick of your kids, get rid of them. You
35:22
Speaker 1: know what, he would have a mouth full of knuckle,
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Speaker 1: no mayo to even suggest to any mother in her
35:30
Speaker 1: right mind to get rid of her children. She did
35:33
Speaker 1: exactly that. According to police, she murdered one little boy,
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Speaker 1: disposed of his body, and dropped the other children off
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Speaker 1: at a wildlife preserved to die and Nancy can rot
35:44
Speaker 1: in hell. This is not the first time we've heard
35:47
Speaker 1: of cases like this. Every time less upsetting just because
35:53
Speaker 1: no other children. It's so unbelievable. And it's always about
35:58
Speaker 1: a woman having a boyfriend who doesn't want the children anymore.
36:02
Speaker 1: Do you think a boyfriend that badly? They eat everything
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Speaker 1: in the house, they don't clean up after themselves. Why mother.
36:10
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy, I completely agree with you.
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Speaker 1: And it's so hard to wrap your head around. But
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Speaker 1: that is one of the top five reasons why women
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Speaker 1: kill their children. It is because a new man in
36:23
Speaker 1: their life asked them to do so. It's one of
36:25
Speaker 1: the top five reasons why women kill their children. Darryll Cohen,
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Speaker 1: there were so many times, one of them because sits stop.
36:34
Speaker 1: Let's don't do this. Don't you are glad you could
36:38
Speaker 1: join us, Darrell jump in. They could have, but they
36:41
Speaker 1: didn't because when you're on a part of me, when
36:44
Speaker 1: you're on a roll and you're doing the wrong thing,
36:48
Speaker 1: you continue to do the wrong thing, and good people
36:51
Speaker 1: don't do the wrong thing. This is more that I
36:55
Speaker 1: can handle. It's more than i'd like to hear. I've
36:59
Speaker 1: heard it over and over again, different faces, different places.
37:05
Speaker 1: But this is the worst how a mother can do
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Speaker 1: what she did. She may have been a biological mother,
37:12
Speaker 1: but she was not anything resist I'm not letting him
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Speaker 1: off the hook. He's not off the hook, but she
37:19
Speaker 1: had a duty. He didn't. What woman in her right
37:22
Speaker 1: mind listens to some live in saying get rid of
37:26
Speaker 1: your shouldren and then you go out like a robot
37:28
Speaker 1: and do it. Quick question, Courtney King. Is this jurisdiction
37:34
Speaker 1: a high end? Is it a death penalty jurisdiction that
37:38
Speaker 1: you know? Nancy? I can find that out for you.
37:40
Speaker 1: But we do know that in Ohio they are they
37:43
Speaker 1: are what there is another case of a little boy
37:46
Speaker 1: who would police say also put in the river and
37:49
Speaker 1: prosecutors are speaking the death Well, I would say that's
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Speaker 1: a very strong indicator that it is a death penalty
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Speaker 1: stay and if this is not a death penalty case,
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna have it, this woman, Brittany Gosney and
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Speaker 1: her live in James Hamilton are the perfect candidates. They
38:08
Speaker 1: can both go straight to hell doing this, pointing the
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Speaker 1: finger at each other. We wait as justice, God willing unfalls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off, Goodbye friend,