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TANGLED WEB OF MODERN-DAY 'BONNIE & CLYDE' KILLERS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace a modern day Bonnie and Clyde.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Bonnie and Clyde have been greatly romanticized. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I've seen the movie. I loved it, but that was
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Speaker 1: a movie. Have you ever been to a murder scene?
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Speaker 1: Because it's nothing like in the movies are on TV.
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Speaker 1: First of all, is shocking. Many people step onto a
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Speaker 1: murder scene and immediately vomit or back out. The smell
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Speaker 1: is overwhelming. It's like nothing I've ever seen in my
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Speaker 1: ever known in my life. And people's bodies are just
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Speaker 1: left where they're murdered, sometimes staring off into space, sometimes
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Speaker 1: with their eyes closed, sometimes can't make out what their
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Speaker 1: face even looks like. It's nothing like movies. So when
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Speaker 1: I hear modern day Body and Clyde, I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: at least five dead victims that we know of crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. It's not romantic, and it's not
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Speaker 1: the stuff of Hollywood and movies and the AMC and
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Speaker 1: the popcorn. It's gruesome and it's real and I want justice.
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Speaker 1: They can hide behind their moniker body and Clyde, but
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Speaker 1: what they really are are serial murderers. I mean, see
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Speaker 1: Grace this is crime story. Thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Thoughts Nation in Sirius XM one eleven,
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Speaker 1: listen to this bigger reward being offered right now for
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Speaker 1: new information and two heinous murders now connected by forensics.
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Speaker 1: Whoever shot these two to death in separate parts of
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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis County community is still on the streets.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers is elevating the reward from fifteen to thirty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Investigators are hoping this gets them clues and
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Speaker 1: an arrest fast. Saturday night, just before eleven, Barbara Goodkin
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Speaker 1: was shot and killed in University City, lest In. An
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Speaker 1: hour later, someone shot doctor Sergei Zakarev to death in
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Speaker 1: Brentwood and play say this silver vehicle caught by multiple
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras may have been involved in both shootings. A
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Speaker 1: silver vehicle. Look, there's no coincidence, a criminal law A
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Speaker 1: silver vehicle appearing in or near a crime scene, that
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Speaker 1: is no coincidence. And to get go, that's the only thing.
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Speaker 1: We've got a glimpse of a silver vehicle and two
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Speaker 1: dead bodies. Now you heard Brentwood and I think I
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Speaker 1: heard Universal City. Can I tell you something. Those are
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Speaker 1: two of the pashioust areas in this country. So why
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Speaker 1: would these two seemingly unconnected people being murdered and the
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Speaker 1: only thing linking them a silver vehicle? You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing Samantha Jones and Corey start speaking. Let me introduce
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Speaker 1: you an all star panel trying to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know about the so called modern day body
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Speaker 1: and Klein and this is no theade dounaway and I
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Speaker 1: guess Warren Baby no with me? You know them well.
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor, now renowned defense attorney in
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction and really across the country. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at CCA L Law dot com. Doctor Joy Crossen,
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Speaker 1: Police Psychologist Faculty, Saint Leo University Research consultant, Blue Wall Institute,
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Speaker 1: Author Operation s O S. Doctor Priya Banerjee, Board certified
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology dot com, consulting Assistant
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Rhode Island. Lenny DePaul, former Chief Inspector Commander
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Speaker 1: US Marshals. Reporter Christy O'Connor with WBTV News Charlotte WBTV
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Speaker 1: dot com. Christie, this is quite the ball of yarn.
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Speaker 1: What a mess, But we know it all starts with
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Speaker 1: the murders of the seemingly unconnected people. But take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our forensic KMOV four. Corbatov says Zakarev spend
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Speaker 1: part of the weekend ind Miami looking for a home
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Speaker 1: to retire in. He says his flight got in late Saturday,
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Speaker 1: Andy Uber to Bonefish Grill for dinner. Corbatov says he
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Speaker 1: was shot while waiting to uber back to his house
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Speaker 1: in town and Country. Very shocking. I've never had a
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Speaker 1: friend become a victim of a street garden violence. Authorities
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Speaker 1: believe this crime is connected to the death of Barbara
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Speaker 1: Goodkin in University City. The Parkway School District says she
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Speaker 1: was a substitute teacher from nineteen ninety two to two
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Speaker 1: thousand and six. The owner of Palmana's restaurant in Chesterfield
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Speaker 1: says she and her husband were regulars and adored by
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Speaker 1: their staff. Tonight, Grobatov is struggling to make sense the
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Speaker 1: two seemingly random but connected killings, all while mourning the
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Speaker 1: death of his friend who never fully lived out the
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Speaker 1: American dream that was his plans for the future that
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Speaker 1: never came to which reminds me, Christy O'Connor, that every
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Speaker 1: chase we cover and investigate, how very very real the victims.
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Speaker 1: Aren't there not part of some Hollywood movie script where
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Speaker 1: some guy sitting in a leather swivel chair looking out
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Speaker 1: down on La dreaming up a plot. These are real people.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? This one guy works his whole life.
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Speaker 1: Now he's finally finally looking for retirement home. He goes
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Speaker 1: to Bonefish waiting on an uber. He's shot dead just
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Speaker 1: right there. The only thing connecting these people that silver vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor, reporter anchor WBTV Charlotte, let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Where did these crimes happen? And who are
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Speaker 1: the first two victims that we know of? Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: these two crimes happened just an hour of part from
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Speaker 1: each other, not fonts from each other, in a suburb
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Speaker 1: of Saint Louis, Missouri. And that's you nailed it on
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Speaker 1: the head. It's kind of how we all connected these
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Speaker 1: because they were simply doing something on the weekend, like
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Speaker 1: we all do. Barbara Goodkin and her husband were just
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Speaker 1: riding in their seb when they were both shy and Miraculously,
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Speaker 1: her husband survived because he had a cell phone in
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Speaker 1: his chest pocket that stopped the bullet from killing him.
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Speaker 1: He kept driving to the hospital and unfortunately his wife
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Speaker 1: did die from her injuries. Then, just an hour later,
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Speaker 1: a completely unrelated person who that couple, doctor Sergei Zacharav,
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Speaker 1: was waiting for uber outside of a restaurant and he
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Speaker 1: was shot and killed. Both appeared to be robberies, and
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Speaker 1: unfortunately there were two victims who lost their lives because
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Speaker 1: of it. Well, did you say the man and the
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Speaker 1: woman the husband and wife were in a vehicle when
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Speaker 1: they were shot. Yes, Now that's a very, very different
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Speaker 1: m O to you, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor at that
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Speaker 1: time in the same courthouse where I prosecuted, Fulton County
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Speaker 1: Courthouse in Inner City Atlanta. As prosecutors, we often look
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Speaker 1: for similar transactions. Now, under our framework of law, a
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Speaker 1: person's past crimes cannot come into evidence unless and until
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Speaker 1: the state proves a similar transaction, a fingerprint crime that
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Speaker 1: goes to course of conduct, motive frame of mind. Here
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Speaker 1: there is a very big difference of shooting someone standing
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Speaker 1: outside a business versus a couple in their car. But
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Speaker 1: you really can't ignore all three are shooting victims one
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Speaker 1: hour apart in time and very close in proximity. I
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Speaker 1: think that will qualify is a similar transaction. My point,
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Speaker 1: I think it's the same shooter. I think it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: the shame shooter, Nancy. But I'm troubled by if how
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Speaker 1: are the two people, how was this couple robbed? If
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Speaker 1: they were in their car and he was fortunate enough
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Speaker 1: to have the bullet hit his cell phone, so that
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Speaker 1: bothers me. I agree, I think they're the same, same shooter,
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Speaker 1: but there's more to it than what we are getting initially.
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Speaker 1: I'm just troubled by. Yeah, you know, you're he's right.
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Speaker 1: I was. I was a little perplexed when you said that,
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Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor, that the couple driving along and can you
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Speaker 1: imagine that, I mean, this never happens, Lenny to Paul.
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Speaker 1: The wife is gunned down in the car and the
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Speaker 1: husband is shot. This is like the stuff of movies.
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Speaker 1: But he's got a cell phone in his shirt pocket
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Speaker 1: and it deflects the bullet. That's like, never happens, Lenny.
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Speaker 1: No it doesn't. But you know, after law enforcement, this
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Speaker 1: is this is a nightmare. I mean, you're chasing ghosts
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Speaker 1: at this point got shots fired. Sadly she succumbed to
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Speaker 1: her injuries. Um, yeah, he survived. Apparently the bullet did
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Speaker 1: it to cell phone and fragmented enough where he was
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Speaker 1: able to get out of there. But for law enforcementutes. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's put this puzzle together. Let's connect the dots man.
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Speaker 1: And of course it's at night. It's after dinner time,
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Speaker 1: which everything happens, it seems like in the dark, which
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Speaker 1: adds a whole nother layer. Nobody can see anything, nobody
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Speaker 1: knows anything. You don't get the tag number crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. We're talking about one thing in University City. Now.
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Speaker 1: It is what they call an inner ring suburb of
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis in Saint Louis County and the population only
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Speaker 1: thirty five thousand people last census. Now what the point
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Speaker 1: of that, And let me go to you, doctor Jorry Crossham, psychologist, faculty,
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Speaker 1: Saint Leo University. Is that you expect and this is
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Speaker 1: the stereotype, which of course isn't always true for crying
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Speaker 1: to be lower in a smaller area. But you've got
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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis connection, doctor Jory. Yeah, and I would
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Speaker 1: be looking at the reason, the why, because now you're
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Speaker 1: trying to give a connection, of course law enforcement, but
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Speaker 1: also they're looking for a motivation. Robbery appears to be
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Speaker 1: it because both of them were robbed. But again, now
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Speaker 1: you start breaking down into behavior exactly. You know, how
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Speaker 1: did they confront them, how were they robbed? What did
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Speaker 1: they get money? Credit cards? Those types of things you'd
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Speaker 1: be looking at. And Christy, you said that the motive
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Speaker 1: was robbery. How do we know the motive was shooting
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Speaker 1: inside a car at a couple mining their own businesses robbery? Well,
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Speaker 1: we're going based on what we were given from law
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Speaker 1: enforcement officers and how that all transpired. Don't go all
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Speaker 1: this I see. So you know, maybe it was an
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Speaker 1: instance Darrell Cohen of them trying to rip open the
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Speaker 1: car and get in there and they couldn't and they shot.
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Speaker 1: But at the get go police are calling it a
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Speaker 1: foiled robbery attempt. Correct. I take them at their word.
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Speaker 1: But do you agree or disagree? Darryl? I just don't
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Speaker 1: like it. I need to know more. I mean, was
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Speaker 1: it foil robbery? Was it attempted murderer? Okay? Well I
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Speaker 1: don't have more right now, And it's something we have
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Speaker 1: to accept a police investigations. Every time you went to well,
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Speaker 1: not trial, but every time you read a police report,
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Speaker 1: I always said, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: something's missing. I always have other questions. But that's what
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Speaker 1: we know at this juncture. And I'm saying that with
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Speaker 1: one hour between the two crimes, all three of the
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Speaker 1: shootings with a handgun, and only a very short distance apart,
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Speaker 1: it's got to be the same person. That's I don't
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Speaker 1: really even care why. The only reason I wonder why
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Speaker 1: is because motive could lead me to the killer. Now
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: what we know about this victims. These victims, are they
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Speaker 1: in any way connected to the so called modern day
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Speaker 1: bonding and Clyde. That's certainly putting perfume on a pig.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Police say someone shot and
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Speaker 1: killed Barbara Gookin while she was riding in her car
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Speaker 1: with her husband down delmart in your city. Gookin's husband
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Speaker 1: also shot in his chest. She's always was a very
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Speaker 1: pleasant to very nice customer and we chat all the time.
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Speaker 1: Barbara was a long time customer at Luba's tailoring shop
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Speaker 1: in University city. Disbelieve it's gonna happen in our community,
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Speaker 1: and right here on Delmo was my shop past and
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Speaker 1: to me, it's just devastating. Please say. Less than an
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Speaker 1: hour later, doctor Sergey Zachariev, a well known anesthesiologist, was
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Speaker 1: shot and killed in the parking lot between Bonefish Grill
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Speaker 1: and the Drury Inn in Brentwood. Sergey was wonderful person,
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Speaker 1: very talented, very nice doctor, very nice person, very nice.
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Speaker 1: Singer Luba bush Tobber says she and Zacharreb were dear friends.
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Speaker 1: She says Zacharreb enjoyed singing and performing at social events
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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis's Russian community. It's very sad to find
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Speaker 1: out what happened to Sergey. He will be missed in
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Speaker 1: Russian communis. Three victims shot. Let me go to you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Prea Banerjee forensic pathologist, assistant medical examiner, Doctor Prea.
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Speaker 1: How is it? Did the cell phone work like a
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Speaker 1: vest police vest? Because he was damaged but he didn't die. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the most fortuitous being this guy
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Speaker 1: could have hoped for. Right, I mean that cell phone
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Speaker 1: paid off by saving his life. I think you know
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question or a good example
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Speaker 1: that you know, it is basically protecting his most vital
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Speaker 1: organ like his heart, potentially his lungs um. And I'm
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Speaker 1: just curious what which cell phone it was didn't have
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Speaker 1: a special case on it, because i mean still usually
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Speaker 1: a bullet can penetrate you know, metal, It can go
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Speaker 1: through walls, blast without you know, and still penetrate the body.
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Speaker 1: So right, I'm curious. Yeah, And that's a common myth about,
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Speaker 1: for instance, bulletproof glass. It doesn't completely stop the bullet.
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Speaker 1: It just deflects the bullet and the bullet doesn't hit
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Speaker 1: the target. With a bulletproof ess, you still get hurt,
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Speaker 1: but you don't die, So I guess it performed the
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Speaker 1: same function. Take a listen to Robert Townsend KSDK, a
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Speaker 1: heartbroken Luba book stopper cannot believe. On Saturday, two people
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Speaker 1: whom she adored were both shot and killed in separate shootings.
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Speaker 1: Police say someone shot and killed Barbara Gooking. Police say
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Speaker 1: less than an hour later, doctor Sergei Zakarev was shot
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Speaker 1: and killed in the parking lot. Investigators have linked to
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Speaker 1: two shootings with forensic evidence. They also believe one of
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Speaker 1: the victims was robbed. Meantime, they're still pleading to the
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Speaker 1: public to take a good look at this surveillance video
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Speaker 1: of a car police believe was involved in both deadly shootings.
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Speaker 1: Now police are asking anyone with any information to call
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Speaker 1: crime Stoppers. A thirty thousand dollars reward is also being
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Speaker 1: offered in these cases. You know, uh, very often we
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Speaker 1: see loose lips which sink ships suddenly get on the
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Speaker 1: phone when a thirty thousand dollar reward is put out there,
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Speaker 1: but before that thirty thousand dollar reward can have any impact.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this our friends at WBTV. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't normal. Shamir Hicks knew something was wrong when she
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard from her friend and co worker, thirty five
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Speaker 1: year old Thomas Harden. She and Harden's cousin went to
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Speaker 1: his York home on May second. His car was there,
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Speaker 1: but the back door that he always used was locked.
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Speaker 1: That's when she called police. We knew something was wrong then,
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Speaker 1: and we both saw crying, and I think the police
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Speaker 1: made a comment like oh my gosh or something like
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Speaker 1: that when he went in and we knew then. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've heard reports of police opening a door to a
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Speaker 1: crime scene and literally stepping back. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's what they saw or what they smelled, what they perceived.
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Speaker 1: But as soon as cops opened the door to this home,
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Speaker 1: Thomas Harden just thirty five years old in York, South Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Now remember the other end, Saint Louis. Now we're in
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. They immediately know something's wrong. Now you are
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Speaker 1: hearing the voice of Christy O'Connor WBTV joining us right now.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Thomas Harden's murder. What do we know, Christie, Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this happened about two weeks before the murders in Saint Louis.
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Speaker 1: Thomas Harden was found dead inside of his York, South
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Speaker 1: Carolina home at about just before nine o'clock that night.
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Speaker 1: And the only reason police even went to his house
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Speaker 1: was because his family and friends had not heard from him.
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Speaker 1: And I should mention that Thomas Harden identifies as a woman,
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Speaker 1: but his friends and family told me that he still
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Speaker 1: went by his given name, Thomas Harden, and he was
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Speaker 1: fine with being referred to as I. But they're asking about, frankly, Christie,
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Speaker 1: the sex, the age, the color, the religion. I don't care.
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Speaker 1: What I care about is this person has been murdered.
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Speaker 1: Now I've got three dead bodies and one guy shot
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Speaker 1: saved by his cell phone, and I want answers. Now,
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Speaker 1: My question specifically was what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: his murder? What do we know? For instance? Was it
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Speaker 1: a rural area, was it suburban? Was it urban? Did
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Speaker 1: he live on a major street? Did he live near
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Speaker 1: an interstate? Was it a heavily wooded area. Were there
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras? Was their force entry? Was the home ransacked?
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Speaker 1: Did anybody else live there? What was he shot? Was
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Speaker 1: he shopped here with a machete? Was he poisoned by
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Speaker 1: slow death? What can you tell me about the murder?
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Speaker 1: Thomas Harden was believed to be hot and York is
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Speaker 1: a very rural area. However, live withinside city limits, so
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Speaker 1: this would be uh, there were homes nearby. He lives
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Speaker 1: in a residential area. Um, but it didn't appear that
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Speaker 1: there was any forced entry or anything like that. The
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Speaker 1: front door was unlocked, and in fact police when they
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Speaker 1: showed up, they knocked on the door and the door opened,
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Speaker 1: and he was found laying on the floor near the
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Speaker 1: count and the front door. This is doctor Banerjy. I'd
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Speaker 1: go to crime scenes a lot part part of my
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Speaker 1: job and to lay my expertise when police especially don't
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Speaker 1: understand what's going on, and you know, to look for
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Speaker 1: these kinds of patterns. You know, if someone does have
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Speaker 1: a different gender preference, you know, do you think it's
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Speaker 1: a hate crime? You know, because the doors unlocked, you know,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a forced entry necessarily, especially if this seemed
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Speaker 1: so disconnected at first. The other thing I want to
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Speaker 1: say is you're all the time looking for clues from
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Speaker 1: the scene plus evidence. So if I'm at a scene,
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Speaker 1: I'm always looking for spent shell casing. You know, I'll
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Speaker 1: tell the police, hey, this person was shot, so we're
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Speaker 1: looking for a weapon. There's no weapon at the scene,
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Speaker 1: and then any casing bullets recovered from the scene. In
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Speaker 1: any case, it could be really important not only to
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Speaker 1: determine the weapon, but then to connect them across the
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Speaker 1: board crime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, christ you O'Connor,
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Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, and so are you doctor Preya, because
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Speaker 1: what I know is that the two are going to
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Speaker 1: be connected by I believe ballistics. But you're right when
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Speaker 1: you are analyzing a scene you do have to take
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Speaker 1: into account. Why is this I hate crime, I gets
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Speaker 1: a transgender person. You're right, and so I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: told me that, which throws another wrench in the works,
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Speaker 1: another fly in the ointment because police are going to
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Speaker 1: go down that rabbit hole trying to figure this out.
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Speaker 1: But when you're telling me more of a rural area,
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Speaker 1: no signs of disarray, no forced entry, but the front
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Speaker 1: door was unlocked, you know, leading to Paul former Chief
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Speaker 1: Inspector Commander US Marshall Service of What a lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't know is that when you are doing ballistics comparisons,
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Speaker 1: a bullet is like a fingerprint. And I was just
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Speaker 1: I remember when I was first learning this at the
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Speaker 1: crime lab, and Daryl, you and I have been to
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Speaker 1: the crime lab a million times tracking down scientists and
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Speaker 1: ballistics experts. But I remember the head of ballistics gave
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Speaker 1: me a tutorial, Kelly Fight, And yeah, great, great ballistics guy.
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Speaker 1: I love that guy. Oh the other day I went
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Speaker 1: through a roadblock and guess who was running the roadblock.
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Speaker 1: Kelly Fight's son as now a commander in the police force. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that aside, a bullet, a gun, when it is created,
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Speaker 1: is made of course with hot metal, and it dries
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Speaker 1: a certain way inside the barrel like our fingerprints. The
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Speaker 1: inside of each gun is different because it dries differently.
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Speaker 1: So when a bullet is hurtled down the barrel at
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Speaker 1: such a rapid speed, it hits up against those unique markings.
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Speaker 1: They're called striation marks. And when you get a suspected
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Speaker 1: murder weapon, you get the bullet from the body or
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Speaker 1: the scene. You run another shooting another bullet through that gun.
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Speaker 1: Then you look at the two of them, the bullet
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Speaker 1: out of the body and the test bullet, and if
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Speaker 1: they match striation marks, you've got the murder weapon. That's
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Speaker 1: how that works. Now leading up to Lindy de Paul.
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Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't know is shell casings
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Speaker 1: cartridges also have a unique marking from the ejector pin.
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Speaker 1: So that's evidence. Just like Christy and doctor Priya, we're
23:26
Speaker 1: just saying, yeah, no, that's for sure, Nancy, you've got
23:29
Speaker 1: to find the shell casings first. But back up a
23:32
Speaker 1: little bit too, on that perimeter that set up in
23:34
Speaker 1: the crime scene she was talking about earlier, that that
23:38
Speaker 1: widens at that point, Yeah, you might be jumping down
23:40
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole looking for a specific person, or when
23:44
Speaker 1: you're Q and A and people knocking on doors talking,
23:46
Speaker 1: you know, within the area, back up surveillance cameras. Who's
23:49
Speaker 1: got security cameras outside, you know, so that that that
23:52
Speaker 1: whole scene widens at that point when they're chasing this ghost. Yeah,
23:55
Speaker 1: shell casings are important. The body apparently had been shy.
24:00
Speaker 1: So now you got a weapon involved. So there's a lot.
24:02
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there. That that bullet comes
24:04
Speaker 1: out of the end of that barrel of a thousand
24:06
Speaker 1: feet per second, and the rifling and what's going on
24:08
Speaker 1: inside that barrel and how that round is marked up.
24:11
Speaker 1: It's very important for ballistics and to match weapons. So
24:15
Speaker 1: right now, you know, as you know it, we're looking
24:16
Speaker 1: at a couple of different homicides and a couple of
24:18
Speaker 1: different areas. No one's connecting the at this point, but
24:22
Speaker 1: there might be something there. He just says something that
24:24
Speaker 1: I don't like, and it was chasing a ghost. Not
24:29
Speaker 1: that I disagree with it. I just don't like it
24:32
Speaker 1: because you can't catch them and they keep killing innocent people.
24:37
Speaker 1: A guy standing outside a bonefish waiting on an uber.
24:40
Speaker 1: A man and a woman driving along in their car.
24:42
Speaker 1: This guy in his own home in a rural area
24:44
Speaker 1: with the door closed. Bam, he's dead. And you called
24:47
Speaker 1: it a ghost, and you're right. I still don't like it,
24:51
Speaker 1: but you're right. How do you catch a ghost? Well,
24:56
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how. Take a listen to Alex Giles
24:59
Speaker 1: w BT now. The York County Quarter has not released
25:02
Speaker 1: the official cause of death for Thomas Harden, although his
25:05
Speaker 1: friends tell me that he was shot now shortly after
25:09
Speaker 1: just hours after actually that York Police found Thomas Harden's body.
25:14
Speaker 1: Chester Police responded to two separate shootings. So that was
25:17
Speaker 1: Christian O'Connor WBTV, now Lisson, Alex Giles WTV. At a
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Speaker 1: Thursday press conference, police from the Brentwood and University City
25:24
Speaker 1: Police Departments in Missouri displayed these photos of Tyler Terry,
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Speaker 1: Adrian Simpson and the car they were believed to be
25:31
Speaker 1: traveling in while they were in the Saint Louis area.
25:34
Speaker 1: Police say it was Saturday, May fifteenth when the suspects
25:37
Speaker 1: stole a license play from a truck in Saint Louis County.
25:40
Speaker 1: Then around ten fifty pm, the suspects allegedly shot seventy
25:44
Speaker 1: year old Barbara Goodkin and her husband Stanley while they
25:47
Speaker 1: were riding in a vehicle in the University City portion
25:50
Speaker 1: of Saint Louis. Barbara died man okay, chasing a ghost. Well,
25:54
Speaker 1: apparently that ghost I knew what he or she were
25:58
Speaker 1: doing because they stole license plates from a truck Saint
26:01
Speaker 1: Louis County and we're using them. I guess that silver
26:06
Speaker 1: vehicle that they were believed to be traveling in in
26:09
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis area. So let me understand something. Christy O'Connor,
26:14
Speaker 1: is the vehicle or the tag plate that is identified
26:18
Speaker 1: and I guess surveillance video. According to news outlets in
26:23
Speaker 1: Saint Launce area, police connected those killings by capturing that car,
26:29
Speaker 1: the silver car. That's what they first noticed and started
26:33
Speaker 1: looking into. And then they kept combing through the surveillance footage,
26:38
Speaker 1: and then that led them to a motel where they
26:41
Speaker 1: interviewed people and people described some potential suspects, and then
26:46
Speaker 1: they combed through more surveillance footage and found a photo
26:50
Speaker 1: of a woman, and then they just needed to find
26:53
Speaker 1: who else who this woman was. And I bet that
26:56
Speaker 1: was a big surprise. Doctor Jerry cross In psychologist Saint
27:01
Speaker 1: Leo Research consultant Blue Wall Institute, Doctor Jerry, you don't
27:05
Speaker 1: expect a mass shooter, a serial killer. Let's call it
27:08
Speaker 1: what it is to be a woman. So when they
27:12
Speaker 1: get a line on this car, they find out there's
27:14
Speaker 1: a stolen tag attached to it. Then they get surveillance,
27:18
Speaker 1: a video from some hotel, and it's a woman, a
27:21
Speaker 1: woman involved. That's almost statistically impossible, doctor Jerry Crossing. That's
27:26
Speaker 1: that's correct. You know, I would, I mean, you're gonna
27:29
Speaker 1: look at her, but you're also going to be looking Okay,
27:32
Speaker 1: maybe this is a team. I mean, I would look
27:35
Speaker 1: to see that the woman. Now what I find that
27:38
Speaker 1: a little demeaning, just a little bit jury, because you're
27:41
Speaker 1: you're saying a woman can't pull off a serial killing
27:44
Speaker 1: on her own. No, she can't have a man helping her. Statistically,
27:48
Speaker 1: they don't do it. Okay, well you're right. You got
27:50
Speaker 1: me over Barrel on that. Yes, she could dream it up,
27:53
Speaker 1: but statistically, Daryl Cohen, what's wrong with men? Now? I
27:57
Speaker 1: understand why I've been called a man hater, but it's
27:59
Speaker 1: always a and what is a man involved in practically
28:02
Speaker 1: every violent felony? Why? Why Daryl? Look, Nancy, when you
28:06
Speaker 1: and I were prosecuting. We know that of our violent
28:10
Speaker 1: criminal offenders were men. We as men tend to protect.
28:14
Speaker 1: We as men tend to go out too far. We
28:17
Speaker 1: as men tend to be jerks. Sometimes women are far
28:21
Speaker 1: more close to the vest, and when women kill, it's
28:26
Speaker 1: normally not cereal. Although we were obviously involved in a
28:32
Speaker 1: wasn't a test, nooster, No, it was a yeah, you're
28:35
Speaker 1: gonna blame it on biology. Well, you know, I'll let
28:37
Speaker 1: you go ahead and do that. Time Stories with Nancy
28:50
Speaker 1: Grace to you. Christy O'Connor, reporter anchor WBTV joining us
28:56
Speaker 1: out of Charlotte, North Carolina. Christie, tell me where did
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Speaker 1: they get the grab of a female? How they connect
29:05
Speaker 1: a female? Well, she this woman was identified in surveillance
29:08
Speaker 1: footage that they were homing through in the Saint Louis area.
29:12
Speaker 1: So that's how they knew a female may have been involved.
29:16
Speaker 1: They just need to identify who this woman was. Well,
29:20
Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, Nancy's Lenny back up just a little
29:22
Speaker 1: bit with respect to those surveillance cameras and what they
29:25
Speaker 1: picked up on. They got a partial plate at first,
29:28
Speaker 1: and then they continue to look at other security cameras
29:30
Speaker 1: in the area and whatnot. They were able to get
29:32
Speaker 1: a big shot or you know, a shot of the
29:34
Speaker 1: plate itself, so when they ran it did come back stolen. However,
29:39
Speaker 1: the LPRs a license plate readers picked up on that
29:41
Speaker 1: plate in a specific area and that's how they get
29:44
Speaker 1: to I believe it was North City the area. But
29:48
Speaker 1: that's how they get there, right, And then they're knocking
29:50
Speaker 1: on doors, they're talking to people, and then then they
29:53
Speaker 1: get people identified inside the car. In fact, they put
29:56
Speaker 1: them in a hotel, said that they were there buying
29:58
Speaker 1: narcotics or something. Lenny, you know, but you got me
30:00
Speaker 1: drinking on the fire hijra here, Because that's a lot
30:03
Speaker 1: of information. Would you just slow down and say one
30:06
Speaker 1: more time please? Yeah, it's that fugitive investigator part and
30:10
Speaker 1: part of me go back a little bit. So with
30:12
Speaker 1: respect to the surveillance cameras, they picked up originally on
30:16
Speaker 1: a partial plate and the ID the vehicles it was
30:20
Speaker 1: a hatchback I think Mitsubichi silver and color. They continued
30:24
Speaker 1: to look at surveillance cameras in the area partial plight,
30:27
Speaker 1: hatchback miss bish silver and color. Go ahead, Yeah, they
30:30
Speaker 1: continued to look at surveillance cameras, security cameras in the area.
30:34
Speaker 1: They were able to get a complete shot of the
30:36
Speaker 1: plate itself. That plate came back stolen from a truck
30:40
Speaker 1: company I believe, or from a truck right right at
30:43
Speaker 1: that point, the local law enforcement to put that plate
30:47
Speaker 1: into their license plate reader database. It did get picked
30:50
Speaker 1: up on in a specific area. They responded to that area.
30:54
Speaker 1: They started Q and A and people knocking on doors.
30:57
Speaker 1: They were able to establish or they it came down
31:01
Speaker 1: to people saying, yeah, we know who they are. They're
31:03
Speaker 1: here buying narcotics and factors staying in this particular hotel.
31:07
Speaker 1: They respond to the hotel and they hit They hit
31:10
Speaker 1: the jackpot there with respect to surveillance cameras there. They
31:13
Speaker 1: were able to identify the woman and they thought that
31:16
Speaker 1: was consistent with a possible homicide that had happened in
31:19
Speaker 1: South Carolina. So with her identification, you know, at that point,
31:23
Speaker 1: they had people, they had names. You know, you go
31:26
Speaker 1: from zero two hundred miles an hour as a man hunter,
31:28
Speaker 1: as a futures investigator, you now identified that ghost. So
31:32
Speaker 1: you're you're turning their world's upside down at that point. Man,
31:35
Speaker 1: You're good, Sorry, Oh, I get the whole command or
31:38
Speaker 1: US Marshall service thing. Wow, Lenny. I mean when I'm
31:42
Speaker 1: hearing partial plate and then plate grab, license grab, those
31:49
Speaker 1: are the things you pass a lot of times on
31:51
Speaker 1: the interstate. They're sticking up on a looks like a
31:54
Speaker 1: metal rod and it's a little panel. They're grabbing the
31:58
Speaker 1: information from your tag and I'm fine with that. A
32:01
Speaker 1: lot of people think it's in trus I don't have
32:03
Speaker 1: a problem with that, because that's how we're going to
32:05
Speaker 1: catch these killers. Take a listen to Jamala goss our
32:08
Speaker 1: cut eight Fox forty six. The FBI atf and sled
32:12
Speaker 1: or assisting in the search, and they're reminding people to
32:15
Speaker 1: lock their doors, remove any valuables from your car, and
32:18
Speaker 1: remove firearms from your vehicles. Authority say Terry is armed
32:22
Speaker 1: and should be considered extremely dangerous. As a search continues,
32:26
Speaker 1: authority say, welfare checks and residents and businesses will continue.
32:30
Speaker 1: Who is this guy, Tyler Terry to Aceh reporter or
32:37
Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor WBTV, Who is this guy? He's just twenty
32:41
Speaker 1: six years old. How could he have done so many
32:43
Speaker 1: horrific things at that young age. It's a great question
32:46
Speaker 1: I wish I had to answer for you. Yeah, and
32:50
Speaker 1: you know what I deviated. I normally don't say, oh wow,
32:53
Speaker 1: why would he do that? Who is this guy? Not
32:55
Speaker 1: only I want to know jurisdiction, perpetrator, facts that can
32:58
Speaker 1: prove a case. But once in a while I get
33:00
Speaker 1: crazy and want to know who is this person and why.
33:04
Speaker 1: But what I do know right now is thanks in
33:07
Speaker 1: a large part too tedious, tedious police work coming through
33:11
Speaker 1: video license grabbers bambin on doors. I mean, when you
33:14
Speaker 1: look at video for hours and hours and hours to
33:17
Speaker 1: catch every freeze frame, that is hard work. But they
33:21
Speaker 1: did it. And Christy O'Connor the one guy, this guy,
33:26
Speaker 1: twenty six year old Tyler Terry, leads us somewhere else.
33:31
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirteen Marino Boyle. There
33:35
Speaker 1: is another person facing charges in all of that. This
33:38
Speaker 1: is Adrian Simpson. As you saw her mug shot a
33:41
Speaker 1: moment ago. Deputy say Simpson is the one who drove
33:44
Speaker 1: Terry's getaway car in several of the crimes, including the
33:48
Speaker 1: murders in Missouri. Her first court appearance was Tuesday, just
33:52
Speaker 1: hours after she was taken in. Her bond was denied.
33:55
Speaker 1: She is in the Chester County Detention Center right now
33:58
Speaker 1: she's facing a traffic charge in connection to that chase
34:01
Speaker 1: that started the man hunt Monday. Simpson is also charged
34:05
Speaker 1: with two counts of accessory to felony murder and now,
34:08
Speaker 1: as we mentioned the breaking news, she is also charged
34:11
Speaker 1: with murder in the death of her husband oh Man.
34:15
Speaker 1: The plot is thickening and why would a woman get
34:20
Speaker 1: tangled up with a guy like this Tyler Terry? Listen
34:25
Speaker 1: to our friends a wb TV. The last six days
34:29
Speaker 1: have been tough for Carol de Wit. She spoke to
34:32
Speaker 1: her daughter Adrian Simpson in a brief phone call from
34:35
Speaker 1: the Chester County jail, and police are holding Adrian Simpson
34:49
Speaker 1: because of her alleged connection to the four murders. Twenty
34:53
Speaker 1: six year old Tyler Terry is accused of committing. This
34:56
Speaker 1: includes the disappearance and death of her husband, Eugene s Sin.
35:00
Speaker 1: Dewitte tells me her daughter and Eugene have been separated
35:03
Speaker 1: for several years but remained friends. She says her daughter
35:07
Speaker 1: started dating Tyler Terry in twenty eighteen. He was a
35:11
Speaker 1: piece of physically, verbally, mentally. Dewitte took these photos of
35:16
Speaker 1: Adrian after, she says, Terry was arrested for beating her.
35:20
Speaker 1: She told me, Tyler, she told me, that's a couple
35:22
Speaker 1: of times. Why do you see going back? Said Mamma
35:25
Speaker 1: love her? She said, maybe, am just hang in there, Okay,
35:32
Speaker 1: I really need a shrink right now. I mean, tell
35:38
Speaker 1: the kids I love them seriously, If you love them,
35:43
Speaker 1: why are you the Bonnie part of a Bonnie and
35:46
Speaker 1: Clyde cereal killing machine? If you love your children, I mean,
35:52
Speaker 1: help me out, doctor Jerry Crossen, you're the psychologist. I
35:55
Speaker 1: love them, and so I'm afraid of him. So therefore
36:00
Speaker 1: I rod as a getaway person and he helps shoot
36:03
Speaker 1: and kill innocent, unsuspecting victims. That's not fitting together for me. No,
36:08
Speaker 1: there's so many, you know, different psychological theories you could apply.
36:13
Speaker 1: But with this individual, I mean what she was telling
36:17
Speaker 1: her mother. You know, I love him, and I think
36:19
Speaker 1: I can change him if I hang in there. Who
36:22
Speaker 1: wants to change him? Just get away from him? Yeah,
36:24
Speaker 1: But they get connected through this excitement with that domestic violence,
36:29
Speaker 1: and it's different levels of violence where you know that
36:32
Speaker 1: they experienced the violence. Then they have this makeup between
36:36
Speaker 1: the two of them and they're back in love again,
36:38
Speaker 1: and it cycles over and over again, and that can
36:41
Speaker 1: easily as we see here, I could even conjecture this
36:44
Speaker 1: going out to the murders that they committed. Definitely, the
36:49
Speaker 1: mail in this, he was the driving orchestrator of this.
36:54
Speaker 1: And you know she kind of went along, but she
36:56
Speaker 1: played some metrical parts in there, you know, especially getting
36:59
Speaker 1: to her. You know what, She's just as guilty as him.
37:05
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. You know, after the first murder, when you
37:09
Speaker 1: realize you're taking someone's life. She had the chance right
37:15
Speaker 1: then to back out. She had a chance before then
37:17
Speaker 1: to back out. But when you say, tell the kids,
37:20
Speaker 1: I love them, really, do you love them enough to
37:23
Speaker 1: go be with them, to work a regular job nine
37:26
Speaker 1: to five every day to support them? Do you love
37:30
Speaker 1: them enough to sacrifice what you want to help them
37:33
Speaker 1: achieve what they want? Much less drag some good for
37:37
Speaker 1: nothing man prone to violence around your children? Oh hell no,
37:44
Speaker 1: hey man, she didn't love them enough to do that.
37:46
Speaker 1: What go ahead? Trying to tell me I'm wrong, And Nancy,
37:49
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you're wrong. I'm wondering if she didn't
37:51
Speaker 1: orchestrate this whole thing, you know, just because she does saying, hey,
37:55
Speaker 1: we finally like something you've said. You're right and all
38:01
Speaker 1: this time, remember Gerald Cohen to buttress what you are saying.
38:05
Speaker 1: They can't urr. But she doesn't give him up. He's
38:09
Speaker 1: still on the loose. Take a listen to Jamal Fox
38:12
Speaker 1: Fox forty six efforts have been beefed up in the
38:14
Speaker 1: search for Tyler Terry. More than one hundred law enforcement
38:17
Speaker 1: officers are searching for him right now. Choppers have been
38:20
Speaker 1: in the air most of the day while search dogs
38:22
Speaker 1: and lawforcement officers search the woods. Tonight makes almost a
38:26
Speaker 1: week since Terry has been on the run. Proopers in
38:28
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office have been, you know, really doing a
38:31
Speaker 1: pretty good job trying to find him. But he's really
38:35
Speaker 1: really elusive. There's no question that he's determined. But also
38:40
Speaker 1: we're calling the question what state of mind he's in.
38:43
Speaker 1: Certainly he's tired. We have evidence to believe that he's
38:47
Speaker 1: not well. To Christian O'Connor, how does this guy keep
38:51
Speaker 1: eluding police, Yeah, that's a great question. My understanding is
38:55
Speaker 1: that he was living in the woods prior to when
38:58
Speaker 1: they were searching for him, so I think he was
39:01
Speaker 1: familiar with surviving without a whole lot of amenities. But
39:07
Speaker 1: it still was pretty mind boggling that it took so long,
39:11
Speaker 1: and law enforcement there was I mean, there was hundreds
39:15
Speaker 1: of them out And I reminds you of somebody, Christie
39:17
Speaker 1: O'Connor that I know you're going to know the name,
39:20
Speaker 1: Eric Rudolf, the Atlanta Olympic bomber. He lived in the
39:26
Speaker 1: woods for a really long time and I hate that guy.
39:30
Speaker 1: Not only did he do the Olympic bombing, but he
39:32
Speaker 1: then bombs some abortion clinics. And when my investigator that
39:37
Speaker 1: you know well, Daryl Cohen, my personal investigator that helped
39:42
Speaker 1: me on every case, my partner went to the scene
39:45
Speaker 1: of one of the bombings and while they're all standing there,
39:49
Speaker 1: another bomb is time to go off, and shrapnel actually
39:52
Speaker 1: hit my investigator. This guy, Rudolf alluded police and lived
39:57
Speaker 1: for years in the wild. And this guy right here,
40:01
Speaker 1: Terry Tyler Tyler Terry is doing the same thing. But
40:05
Speaker 1: you know what, you can run, but you can't hide.
40:09
Speaker 1: Take a look of our friends Fox forty six, our
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Speaker 1: cut sixteen breaking knew that noon Tyler Terry in custody.
40:16
Speaker 1: Thereas Flox forty six exclusive video here of Terry being
40:19
Speaker 1: brought in on the back of a pickup truck. Within
40:21
Speaker 1: just the past hour and a half in Chester County.
40:24
Speaker 1: So the sheriff says that basically they were able to
40:26
Speaker 1: secure that cerimeter, that perimeter excuse me, that they had
40:30
Speaker 1: around the area of Highway nine, and they were able
40:34
Speaker 1: to capture him safely. So take a look. This is
40:37
Speaker 1: Louisville High School right across the street. This is where
40:40
Speaker 1: we've been set up all throughout the afternoon, watching as
40:44
Speaker 1: officers kind of cheered when they were able to bring
40:47
Speaker 1: Tyler Terry in safely. The officers cheered, and I guess
40:54
Speaker 1: they did working day and night twenty four seven to
40:59
Speaker 1: catch the Clyde part of the Bonnie and Clyde scenario.
41:02
Speaker 1: And it's just burning me up that they are being
41:05
Speaker 1: romanticized right now as Bonnie and Clyde modern day Christy O'Connor.
41:10
Speaker 1: How many dead bodies do we know of? Is it
41:12
Speaker 1: five and one? Nearly dead? We know that they are
41:15
Speaker 1: charged with four homicides and they are suspects in a
41:20
Speaker 1: fifth homicide out of Memphis, Tennessee, Memphis, Memphis. Yes, but
41:25
Speaker 1: they have not formerly been charged in that homicide yet,
41:29
Speaker 1: They're just suspected. And what do we believe was the motive?
41:33
Speaker 1: Christy O'Connor A good question, because all of them don't
41:37
Speaker 1: appear to be related at all. But law enforcement has
41:40
Speaker 1: said that many of the cases were robberies and the
41:45
Speaker 1: money to buy frugs. However, some of the cases we
41:48
Speaker 1: know that they had personal connections with, such as Thomis
41:51
Speaker 1: Heartened out of York, South Carolina, and you've seen Simpsons
41:54
Speaker 1: Adrian husbands. They do have more personal connections there. Well. Fortunately,
41:58
Speaker 1: the law is the state is not required to prove motive,
42:02
Speaker 1: and that will give something for these two Tyler Terry
42:07
Speaker 1: and his Bonnie Monicered agent Simpson, something for them to
42:14
Speaker 1: think about while they twiddle their thumbs behind bars. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,