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Elizabeth · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm your Queen Elizabeth Joy Glass the 1st and.
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I am Lord Spencer. Hello, Elizabeth of.
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Course, you took that chance. Well, you took it first.
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Is this your namesake movie? I never asked.
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Which Elizabeth are you named after?
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Elizabeth Swann. Queen Elizabeth and loving
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Elizabeth. It it's it's mostly my parents
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like the name. Technically it's after Elizabeth
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in the Bible. Oh, long story, but my dad?
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Read it, heard it's good though. My dad wanted to name me
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Victoria and my mom was like, absolutely not.
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I will not have children calling my child Icky Vicky.
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So they settled on Elizabeth. Man, well, I'm very excited for
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this episode. I've.
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Me too. I've kind of been talking about
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this one for a little while. Yeah.
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'Cause you kind of grew up with it and I never saw it before.
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I did. I really did.
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And it's such a blast in the past.
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But before we get into that, before we get started, well,
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first, I mean, if you're listening to this episode, that
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means we figured out how to edit episode.
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Yeah. So that's good news if you're
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listening to this at this point. Yeah.
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And watching, Yeah, because it's still on YouTube.
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Speaking of YouTube, I want to promote an episode that would
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have come out a couple days ago on Thursday, August 21st.
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Earlier this summer, Elizabeth came with me and I moderate a
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really fun panel called Sketch the screen, a conversation with
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HBO and Mac's originals costume designers.
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It was in June and it was one of the best times of my life.
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I thank you. I had so much fun.
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I interviewed 8 costume designers that would be we'll
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get into in a second. And I'm just very excited to say
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that I, I've had a little chat with HBO and now HBO Max.
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They weren't at the time of recording and they allowed us to
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share it, share it on the podcast.
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And so you could go back and watch on YouTube or listen to it
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on all of your favorite podcast platforms.
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I'm very excited that everyone gets to relive it.
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I get to relive it. It was so much fun.
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We had Kathleen Felix Hager from Hacks, Christina Flannery from
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The Righteous Gemstones, Alex Bovaird from The White Lotus,
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Caroline McCall from House of the Dragon and Foley who you all
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know from The Last of Us, Susan Lyle from Mountain Head, Helen
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Huang from The Penguin, and Boyana Nikitovich from Dune
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Prophecy. It was quite the full house.
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It it was a full house. It was amazing.
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And like you got through all of your questions, which was
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incredible. So like got really good, just
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like tidbits of what it was like through the production of it
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all. It was fun.
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I had such a good time. I I kind of blacked out a little
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bit. So I'm excited to go back and
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rewatch it hear. Hear what you said.
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Yeah, because it was. I mean, you all listen to this
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podcast interviewing one person. Could you know we're talking
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about 30 minutes 45? An hour if we're lucky.
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Yeah, if you're Kate Hawley or Nyla Dixon, we're gonna come at
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you for two. But to interview 8 designers in
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45 minutes is you know. It was quite the feat, Spencer.
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It kept me up at night. You killed it.
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You killed. It Oh, thank you.
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So I really hope you all would go and check that out.
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But now let's talk about hoarder of business, quite a few decades
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or centuries in the making. A couple centuries back,
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everybody. This week we watched Elizabeth
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from 1998. I'm so excited.
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We're rounding out our historical Hot Girl summer,
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which was your idea, And I think it was a fun idea.
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I've had a good time. I've had so much fun and you
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know me, like I'm a history nerd.
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I love historical films. So just getting to like focus in
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on a couple has just really been fun.
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Especially like Cleopatra, like that was just a journey.
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We are still stuck on Cleopatra and in real life, I mean,
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Elizabeth and I have been driving places together
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listening to podcasts about Cleopatra.
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Still I'm I have not left a Cleopatra train.
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No. And people keep asking us about
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it. I've had people ask me about it
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at work. Be like, hey, how's Cleopatra?
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I'm like. How much time do you have?
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It was like the first part, totally worth.
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It it's, it's a doozy. But so this film, Elizabeth, you
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know, well, you probably wouldn't know, but just knowing
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my audience as a teenage or a young boy, there was some films
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that you would, you know, watch at night time when your parents
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weren't around, particularly some like Elizabeth that might
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have. That's why I wasn't allowed to
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watch it. Occasional nudity.
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So this is one of those films I thought was so risque.
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I mean, I literally thought I was watching the capital PORN,
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which I've now I've rewatched and it's not.
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But I thought I was so scarce watching this film so I pitched
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it to Elizabeth to for as a finale for this series and I was
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really nervous watching it because I was like I hope this
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film still hits the same way it did when I was sneaking it at
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night with my big box TV. And honestly I really really
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enjoyed it still. I think it still hits.
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I need to now watch the sequel which I know I've seen.
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It's just like this. I swear it was like Showtime
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where stars that used to play these movies.
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Stars because it it's streaming on Stars and I don't have stars.
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It's still streaming on Stars, that's all they stream.
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That and and Outlander, that's all they stream.
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Right. And it used to just play on loop
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like all the time when I when this film came out.
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So I would watch a night, have no idea what's going on, and I
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would still watch it every time it was on.
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It was, it was a huge movie when we were kids and I remember,
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'cause, you know, I was like a geeky little child.
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I remember at Walmart they would have those like $5 DVD bins.
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There was some time we were at Walmart and my mom was like, Oh
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yeah, like you can go like, get a movie if you want.
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And I got Elizabeth and we got home and my mom was like, let me
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ask your father about this movie real quick.
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And. My dad was like, yeah, probably
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not. Absolutely not.
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Not that what all the words are called.
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Her abomination Queen. But then like looking back, like
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seeing it for the first time as an adult, and then all the stuff
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like, 'cause I was definitely like probably in middle school
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when this happened. And looking back I'm like, this
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is like not that bad compared to some of the other stuff I ended
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up watching. Yeah, it's pretty mild, but
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yeah, well, there are some scenes which we'll get into and
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like for example, the beach scene which was seared in my
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memory, I was like, Oh yeah, I would not have let me watch this
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either. But anyways, let's get into it
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because it's as you, if you watched it, then you know, we
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have quite a bit of costumes to get into.
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Oh, we do. Elizabeth was directed by
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Shekhar Kapoor. Elizabeth is a historical drama
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following the turbulent early reign of Elizabeth, one of
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England. Thrust onto the throne after the
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death of her sister, Queen Mary, Elizabeth faces political
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conspiracies, religious conflict, and threats to her
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life. As she navigates betrayal and
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shifting alliances, she must learn the ruthless realities of
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power in order to secure her crown, henceforth beginning her
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evolution into the iconic Virgin Queen, and that is Elizabeth.
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If you haven't seen it, go watch it.
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It's such, it's such a good one. It really is.
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And Spencer, we have one of our favorite costume designers.
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We do. We are going to meet our costume
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designer Alexandra Byrne, whose notable work is Hamlet from 1996
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where she got an Oscar nomination, Elizabeth the Golden
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Age, the sequel to Elizabeth for which she got an Oscar win
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Fighting Neverland, Thor, The Avengers, Age of Ultron, Doctor
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Strange, Murder on the Orient Express, Mary, Queen of Scots,
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Emma and most recently The Fantastic Four First Steps.
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Yeah, I, I love Alexandra Byrne, mostly because to me, she's like
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such a mysterious figure that I've literally never seen or her
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talk in my life. Yeah, but she just puts out such
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extreme fingers. And the range from being able to
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do Hamlet to the Fantastic Four first steps, which the costume
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design for that movie is outstanding.
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Yeah, I'm a big fan. I would love to meet her
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someday. Same Alexandra, you would like
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to do an American podcast? Right hit.
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Us up. I'm sure she's been listening to
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this ever since we did that Emma episode way back in the day,
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which I couldn't even tell you what season that was.
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I'm going to, I'm going to go, I'm going to swing for A1.
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I'm also going to swing for a one or an early 2.
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Yeah, well, I think it was our first hot girl summer.
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No. No, because.
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I think it was like maybe? It was right after Clueless, so
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look, look there. You'll find it.
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Just scroll way back. And Spencer, Are you ready to go
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behind the costumes after our break?
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I, I am, I have a lot of thoughts.
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It's actually was kind of keeping me up last night so.
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Well, after this break, we'll hop into all of Spencer's
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thoughts. Hi, I'm Dan, who does all the
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magic behind the scenes. I wanted to say thank you.
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All right, Elizabeth. I am very excited to talk about
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Elizabeth, mostly because I just we were just talking about Oscar
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nominations before to break. And I I think it's so perfect
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that we're ending her girl summer of this film because I
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can't go over the fact that this came out the same year as
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Shakespeare in love with, you know, Joseph Fiennes is in it.
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Geoffrey Rush is in it, the character Elizabeth is in it.
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Both films nominated for costume, but it was not
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Elizabeth. The one as we remember it was
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Sandy Powell who won that year. Sandy Pell was actually known it
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twice that year. She also did Velvet Goldmine.
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Is that what it's called? She was.
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Going to win that year, it was just going to happen it.
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Was, but I mean, gosh, this, I don't know.
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It was cute for me. I first of all, I don't get how
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Cate Blanchett did not win leading actress over Gwyneth
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Paltrow. I just, I got a start there.
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I I mean I got a start there. This is an excellent question.
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Both incredible and I love Gwyneth Paltrow in that film.
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Sure. But Cate Blanchett, just like
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she was incredible. Just as like a whole, I'm not
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getting into, I dare not compare costumes, but like movie wise,
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Shakespeare in love versus Elizabeth.
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I think one, just one feels kind of silly to me now.
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And it's not Elizabeth. But love both films.
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Glad we got to talk about them. But yeah, it was keeping me up
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at night. I was like, I was like, what did
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Elizabeth lose to? And I looked it up.
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I was like, well, well, well, look who it is.
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Our old friend Shakespeare. Love back for more.
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I will get into why I think probably a Elizabeth was
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nominated and B Wyatt lost. Oh, I have a theory a little
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bit. Yeah, let's get into it.
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Let's get into it. And we're gonna talk about our
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director, Shakar Kampur, who had just had a very successful film
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in 1994, Bandit Queen. And as a result, he got offered
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just like a ton of movies. And he ended up being offered
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Elizabeth, which he was surprised about.
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And he said to the Guardian, I hated history and knowing
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nothing about Elizabeth except that she was a Renaissance queen
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and a virgin queen. So I was surprised to be
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approached. The producers thought of me
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because they were afraid of making a regular costume drama
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and were attracted to the fact that in Bandit Queen I hadn't
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followed normal cinematic grammar, which you can totally
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tell in this. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to
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pretend to be a history buff, but just watching this film,
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you're like, oh, this was some licenses were taken.
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Licenses were definitely taken, but also just like the whole
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look and feel of it, like when you watch other, especially like
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period dramas that take place in England, I feel like the scope
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of this is so much larger and more theatrical.
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Yeah, it's, I mean, I'm blanking on the ear, but I feel like
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we're looking at historical figure through like the Marie
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Antoinette, Sofia Coppola lens. Yes, and I feel like that's
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really what they brought Kapoor in to, brought Kapoor in to do,
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He said to catchplay.com. For Elizabeth, I have to bring
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myself to the film. I don't know how else I can be
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an artist. So if I look at Elizabeth, it's
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very Indian. It's very melodramatic in its
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colors and its presentations and the ways characters conflict
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with each other. So it's actually a very Asian
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film. And I have to be myself.
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I have to put the film to my heart and then show it.
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So he really coming from, like, making movies in India and then
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coming to make, you know, a film about one of England's most
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successful monarchs is definitely different for him, a
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different kind of director for English period drama, and it
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really melts very well. It does, yeah.
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It really blends together. And I I agree.
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I feel like this is a historical figure that you I would want to
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approach of some sort of artistry too.
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Like it's just like this story just really lended to it.
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You really get lost and like the glamour of it all.
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And yeah, the colors, the presentations, I I think this is
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the right way to go about it. Otherwise I feel like it could
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be kind of a drab story. I.
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Mean, And I think it lends very well to like who Elizabeth was
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'cause like she was very like a woman in charge of herself
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despite the circumstances she was put in.
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She really like 'cause she spent basically her entire life up
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till she became queen being afraid she was going to be
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murdered. Like that was like literally
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her, her life. So like, I, I like that they
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kind of like bring her into this like fresh new way of like
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approaching the film 'cause this is like a fresh new, you know,
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chapter of her life when she comes to the throne.
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And with all of that, I think it's very exciting then to kind
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of, it really helps us understand how Alexandra burned,
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then approached the costumes 'cause now you know that there's
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a little bit of creative license.
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First of all, I believe that Alexander Burnison, who already
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has the research, knows the research.
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Yes, we've talked about this before.
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If like the mummy, like know your research the rules so you
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could break them. Absolutely.
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This is one person that knows the rules and is able to break
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them. And she was absolutely told to
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break them. I found an article from LA Times
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from 1998 which honest like I feel like anything before the
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year 2005 is so basic for a costume design.
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But they talked to Alexandra Byrne and they say she was
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influenced by Paris designer Christian Lacroix's buoyant air
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filled ball gowns and she made a point of avoiding heavy dragging
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robes. And according to the LA Times,
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every time the director caught her with her research, he shall
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throw it away. Gosh.
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This man, I cared so much more about the feeling of something
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and the look and the story they were telling than historical
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accuracy. I mean, kind of going back to
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like what we were talking about just a little bit ago too.
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It's like this is the Queen Elizabeth is someone who we're
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OK if we don't know all the history.
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And I feel like as like the audience, we know this queen
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from like a basic point of view. We know her from like her
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portraits, like the big like roughs, the big red hair, the
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white face. And like I feel like that's kind
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of what he's going to Alexander Byrne with for like we don't
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need the research, which I would probably take issue with.
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But like we get the fill in the blanks between these portraits.
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We know like the main ones, we know Coronation, we know like
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the typical like which we see at the end of the film.
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But everything else can I get to play with.
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You do. And she definitely plays.
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I love the opening shots where she is dancing with her ladies.
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And Joseph Fiennes, who is, I'm gonna say extra fine in this
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movie, comes up. They're dancing.
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And Alexandra Verne said about her process.
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When I am doing a period film, I need to know everything I can
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about that time. So I so that at least I feel
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like I am in control of making the decisions that are going out
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of period. For example, I think a lot of
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people look at these films and feel they are accurate.
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They're not. Blanchett is never wearing
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correct Elizabethan shaped corset.
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We created a new shape and look because people's shapes are so
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different. And OK, you know me, I love my
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history. I love my historical accuracy,
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especially when it comes to like the stories of real people
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because we have talked about shows who will never do on this
19:57
podcast because I'm so annoyed by their historical
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inaccuracies. There's a list.
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There's a list. But mine is always more about
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story than how they visually depict a story about the
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liberties they take with the costumes.
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For these reasons, and I found so especially for these older
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films, one of the ways I find my research is I it's way easier to
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find like old blog posts than it is to find a lot of these
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articles, like that LA Times article actually found through
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someone else's blog post about Elizabeth.
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A lot of these vlogs were not happy.
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They were so upset. And it just always kind of
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boggles my mind because A, like historical fashion, there's so
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much more to it then, A, what we study in school.
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Like unless you decide to become like a scholar of a certain time
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period, like you can never know everything.
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B, they're trying to tell a story.
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They're trying to give a feeling that doesn't always work within
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a certain look or within the structures of that period's
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costume. And three, we know we are built
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physically different from people in the past 'cause we have
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better nutrition, We're taller. Like we look different.
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Like Queen Elizabeth was probably like 5 foot, like she
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was not tall. Cate Blanchett's like Amazon,
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like she's gorgeous and tall and like, quite frankly, a lot of
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these silhouettes just don't work for modern people and how
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we're built now. And that's why one of the
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reasons I love this film is that they go so off of that.
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And sorry, this article has just really got.
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Me, Elizabeth was heated. I came over for dinner earlier
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and she was like, just so you know, this is coming later.
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Because they really like go into detail about how inaccurate it
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is. And I'm still like, it's like,
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yeah, it is. But it doesn't take away from
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how good the costuming is by how because it looks just from like
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a glance. The average person does not
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know. That is not accurate.
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Tutor English Renaissance fashion.
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Especially in 1998. I mean, they're just trying to
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make a good. I mean, they used the word
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costume film, which, you know, I think it's kind of derogatory,
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but like, that's that's what this is.
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And, and Alexandra said, so as a, you know, we didn't follow
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the rules. That's that's not what it is.
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And so. Many.
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Co Designers. Say that.
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Right. They'll they'll be upfront about
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it like this is not historically accurate, which then that should
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like settle it right there. But I feel like though, Even so,
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Alexander Byrne goes through and still hits the mark on like the
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notes where like absolutely counts the parts where we look
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at a porch and be like, that is Queen Elizabeth, you know?
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Especially in this first, like, set of scenes, she's wearing
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this, like, gorgeous gown that just makes her look beautiful
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with this, like, rose sash. And there's this little, like,
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rose embroidery on her sleeve. And they're like, OK, she's the
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Rose of England. Like, very much setting her up
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as like this, you know, portrait of the next English queen.
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Sure. Which I love.
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It's so good. And you're right, Joseph.
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Before we move on, I have to agree, Joseph Fiennes is looking
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real fine and it's beginning to. Can I read you this Letterbox
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review I read last night that had me like, crying?
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So good. The their name is just Austin on
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Letterbox. So sorry that there's not more
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information. But it says three stars.
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By the way. 1998, the year when Joseph Fine starred in 2 Best
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Picture nominated period pieces just so he could wear shirts
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with ridiculously deep V necks. And I just thought that was
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beautiful. You know, good for him.
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Yeah, good for him. Good for Josephine.
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He controlled 1998. He did.
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He did. He had 1998 in a chokehold.
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He. Absolutely.
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Good for him, you. Know who else was in a
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chokehold? Spencer.
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Queen Elizabeth's sister. Or Princess Elizabeth's.
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Sister. Yeah, she, she was looking how I
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was feeling a couple weekends ago.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Queen Mary is just
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unwell. Not looking good.
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Not looking. When they said that she's
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pregnant, you and I was like. Yeah, she, Mary is such like, I
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have a lot of conflicted feelings about Mary 'cause I on
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one hand I feel really bad about her for her 'cause her dad used
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her as a political pawn, right? Like she literally couldn't get
25:23
married until she became queen and she was basically too old to
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have kids at that point. She had like two false
25:31
pregnancies and then they were like no, you just you have
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cancer, sorry. But then she was also Bloody
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Mary and like murdered scores of Protestants 'cause she was like
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Catholicism is the only religion so by.
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I really gotta say, what I loved about this movie is it was
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written or directed almost like a horror film.
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Like it actually. At the beginning.
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Yeah, it was giving. It was honestly giving House of
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the Dragon vibes at the beginning, too.
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I was like, oh, this is like those people.
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On fire. Yeah, yeah.
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Like this is yeah, like Salem or like a little bit of Penny
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Dreadful or just like any like kind of tense horror period.
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I was like, like, good thing none of this is true, right,
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Right. It's it's true.
26:18
Yeah, it's true, Wolf. But I'm glad they brought up
26:23
Queen Mary though, because I really do like that big game
26:26
part of film because there's like no color in it.
26:29
It is dark, very black and white, you know, very kind of
26:34
gothic. It's.
26:36
Bring Elizabeth in in her undergarments, which is like,
26:39
scandalous. It's very scandalous and also
26:42
like white undergarments just devoid of color.
26:46
So I really appreciate that because it really helps her kind
26:49
of transition this film into when she starts bringing the
26:52
color back to England. Yeah, so to say, at least at
26:56
first, she tries. Yeah, she.
26:58
Tries. She gave it a go, Yeah.
27:01
Which brings us to I love, OK, I love the gown when she finds out
27:05
she's queen. Yeah, 'cause it's very girlish
27:09
compared to what she is going to be wearing.
27:13
Yeah. And it just she is this very,
27:17
like, it's like this light green color.
27:20
So it's like, OK, she's a little bit green.
27:21
Yeah. She's been, like, playing the
27:22
game her whole life. But still, like, multiple people
27:27
had to die for her to become queen.
27:30
Like, so, you know, she's, like, new really to ruling.
27:36
And I feel like these scenes just give like a moment of quiet
27:40
reflection before rolling into the the coronation.
27:44
Yeah, it's just, it's so funny too, because I feel like they're
27:47
saying up this dichotomy where, like, you see her and she's just
27:50
so sweet, so girlish, so angelic.
27:53
And then your heads are like, this is the virgin Queen, right?
27:56
Like where you're like, this is who we're mad at.
27:58
This is who we're trying to assassinate.
28:00
And I just love that, like, setup that they're doing at the
28:03
beginning, too. Like, oh, this is our, like,
28:05
sweet little Angel. Everything's gonna be good.
28:09
And that kind of like sets up the rest of the film.
28:11
So yeah, I do really love that dress too, 'cause she looks so
28:14
proper and cute. She does.
28:15
And put together. And yeah, of course, everyone's
28:18
obsessed. I would be including Joseph
28:21
Fine's character, who I can't remember his actual name at this
28:24
moment because I was just calling him Joseph Lord Dudley.
28:27
Lord Dudley. I was just calling him Joseph
28:29
Fine all night. So yeah, I mean, that's fair.
28:33
It's fair 'cause. She does find him.
28:35
Try arguing with me on that one and.
28:39
One of the things in this film, there's a scene which I actually
28:45
love where like her maids are undressing her and like
28:49
massaging her body. And I'm just like, what a life,
28:54
what a life to lead. And she's wearing this corset,
28:59
which a lot of people were angry about because it's not period
29:03
accurate. And that LA Times article quotes
29:09
Alexander Burn as saying Elizabethan corsets were
29:13
actually ramrod straight in the years just after the film ends.
29:18
Corsets were fitted with a piece of wood shaped like a ruler.
29:23
To. Keep them even straighter in the
29:27
movie movie's more romantic vision.
29:31
Elizabeth wears corsets in the style scene 3 centuries later.
29:36
Soft and curved. I mean, what are we supposed to
29:41
do? I mean, were we really gonna fit
29:43
this thing to Cate Blanchett with, you know, wooden stick?
29:47
Like honestly I've I've tried making a corset from this
29:53
period. Hard.
29:55
Yeah, well, I get it. It's uncomfortable.
29:57
Look, costume nerds, as two people who talk about costume
30:00
designing on a pretty regular basis every once in a while.
30:04
It's OK. It's just, it's all right.
30:06
It's OK. Take a deep breath.
30:07
It's fine. We get it.
30:09
I love historical accuracy too. I really do like it.
30:12
But. This is not what that movie.
30:16
Was about don't look here. Yeah, it's fine.
30:19
I love Cate Blanchett. I wouldn't want that for her.
30:22
No, she's my number one favorite actress.
30:24
And one of the articles I was reading, they were like, she
30:27
would have been 'cause I, they were sometimes they were like
30:32
quotes that they don't like source in these.
30:35
And I guess somewhere Alexander Byrne was like, oh, like the
30:39
like burden of ruling like shown through the corset.
30:43
And they were like, she would have been used to wearing a
30:45
corset. Da, da, da.
30:46
I'm like, yeah, but the modern woman's not, right?
30:50
And to them, that is going to read as a burden.
30:54
Go on. But one moment in the film that
30:58
I felt like I was like. So good.
31:00
I I feel like I've seen this dress before, which is kind of.
31:03
Like the same part. The coronation scene.
31:06
So cool, I. Ripped from the painting.
31:09
Ripped from the painting, which I that's what I'm saying, like
31:12
if we hit the points where it matters most.
31:14
And to me, the coronation would have been like toward the top of
31:17
my list. It's gorgeous.
31:20
It just really kind of like stops you in your tracks and
31:22
just lets you know that like, this is real.
31:24
Now she's in charge. Things are about the hit the
31:28
fan. And I just love looking at her
31:31
costume. It's, it's absolutely beautiful.
31:34
The train, the, the fur on it. And of course, I mean, they had
31:38
everything down to the crown and the jewelry set on it.
31:41
Yeah. It, it's, it's perfect.
31:45
It it's maybe like the tiniest bit like simplified for the
31:52
screen because I think in that moment, if she'd been wearing
31:56
like too much, it would have been overwhelming.
31:59
But it works. And you're just like, oh,
32:02
that's, that's the same thing. You look at it and you're like,
32:04
Oh yeah, that's. I feel like as long as a period
32:09
film has moments like these where you're like, yeah, that's
32:11
accurate. Like I'm good.
32:13
Yeah, that's what I needed. Yeah.
32:15
It gave me the permission to enjoy the rest of the film.
32:18
Yeah. One of the most important scenes
32:20
is accurate. Cool.
32:22
Yeah, I I could watch that scene over and over.
32:26
Like she just absolutely kills it.
32:27
I really do think Cate Blanchett was really did some of her
32:30
greatest acting in this film. She has some great moments in
32:33
it. This this was like kind of the
32:34
film that launched her. Yeah.
32:36
And then she rolled right into Lord of the Ring, like like.
32:41
It was it was a good couple of years.
32:43
Yeah, Oh yeah. What's also good is her
32:47
coordination ball where she's just, I, I love her hair, 'cause
32:53
that was like historically accurate that she wore her hair
32:56
down 'cause she wanted everyone to see how youthful she was.
33:01
Like 'cause coming out, her dad was like super old when he died.
33:04
Her sister was older when she died, Her brother was died very
33:09
young and sickly. And Queen Anne only ruled for 14
33:16
days. So there, there was like a lot
33:20
of turbulence after her father died.
33:23
And she was like, look, I'm young.
33:24
I'm healthy. Yeah.
33:26
Like we're gonna, we're gonna pull this back together.
33:29
I feel like at first the people kind of like use that against
33:32
her. Like they see this like really
33:34
young girl who's probably not even that young, and they're
33:37
really using that against her and like she doesn't know what
33:39
she's talking about. They see like an opportunity for
33:41
them to really, you know, be men and take advantage of the
33:45
situation. And not one moment does she
33:48
like, kind of, you know, let anyone kind of do that.
33:51
And she continues to be young. Like I'm going to be a different
33:54
queen. I'm going to be young and have
33:55
fun, hang out with my my man on the side.
33:58
But like also not hide it too. Like she's just, so it's almost
34:02
like she's like, I'm the new fun young queen, you know, and
34:05
you're all going to deal with it.
34:07
Yes, and she also was really cause a lot of people thought
34:12
she really should not be queen 'cause they didn't believe her
34:15
father and mother were ever actually married.
34:19
So she's kind of putting herself out there and being like, no,
34:23
like this is my place, I belong here.
34:26
I'm my father's daughter. Which that that that scene when
34:31
Mary is like, I see nothing of a father and you she famously
34:35
looked like her father, which I thought was hilarious and and
34:41
throughout the course of the film and her just trying to like
34:44
figure out how to be queen and navigate the marriage market,
34:49
assassination attempts, religious unrest.
34:54
All the above. She pulled out a series of red
34:57
gowns and. Looks that.
35:01
Really, they just, they just hit.
35:04
Yeah, it's wonderful. There's a lot of great red
35:06
moments. She's just, you know, walking
35:09
around in a big red robe just looking upset.
35:12
And also, I mean, always works so great with her hair, of
35:15
course. Yeah.
35:16
Against her very pale skin. And Reds like a color of
35:20
England, like that's very. Yeah.
35:23
They're like we're England. Must be red with blood.
35:27
Pretty much, yeah. I I really loved all of her red
35:30
pieces. I especially love the one that
35:31
she wore when she was walking about crying about something,
35:36
something I don't know, People were probably.
35:38
Murdered with her earrings and her hairs like tumbling down,
35:42
she. Just looks so good all the time.
35:45
Yeah. It was fun to get so many red
35:47
dresses. We haven't had.
35:48
We haven't had one in a while. On this podcast, Our We Were
35:51
used to be built on red. Dresses.
35:53
We did them all in the first couple of seasons, so we did.
35:56
It's nice to have them back, but can we talk about a character
36:00
that I just was so obsessed with this character.
36:05
I'm gonna say this character was wild.
36:07
Wild. Their costumes were wild.
36:09
I'm not, I didn't get to read too much about this.
36:13
I, I finished the film like late last night and I basically
36:16
rolled right into recording today.
36:18
Was she the monarch of France? I.
36:21
Don't think so. She was high up.
36:24
She was high up. I think she was like the aunt of
36:30
whoever was on the throne. Right.
36:33
And she also was, I think, related or friends with that
36:37
French Duke. But even though they started
36:39
making out, Yeah, I think, I think she was the aunt.
36:42
Even though they started making out and Geoffrey Rush was like.
36:47
Hi, I mean. I'm obsessed with her.
36:50
She I have to talk about this costume where she walks out onto
36:54
the battlefield after Elizabeth sent that very failed like siege
36:58
attempt which we all knew was going to happen.
37:01
She walks out in this like most random kind of armor but very
37:05
French. It still has like lace and
37:08
embroidery on it. Well, it looks like she put like
37:10
a breastplate over whatever gown she was wearing to like, go out
37:15
onto the battlefield. That's what it is, I think.
37:18
But like one of her sleeves is like, oh, it's very kind of
37:22
asymmetrical or one of her sleeves.
37:24
She definitely has like a armor plate for her shoulder.
37:28
That's yeah, it's it's everything.
37:30
I don't know. I was like, I don't know who
37:31
this diva is, but I'm on her side.
37:34
You. Know OK.
37:38
I'm gonna while while you're talking and look at what her
37:41
role was. That's such a bold choice,
37:45
Spencer. I, I did kind of love her.
37:53
I, I will say, like, every time she was on the screen, I was
37:57
trying to figure out what is she wearing?
38:00
Like, not gonna lie, especially that first scene when she hops
38:04
off the horse. I was like, huh?
38:06
Excuse me? What?
38:08
I don't know who this is, but yeah, she's killing it.
38:11
She looks great. I was sad about her untimely
38:13
death, but it was just like next.
38:20
Speaking of the French, they make quite the appearance when
38:24
it's time for proposal time, which they.
38:26
Send one of their Dukes. One of their Dukes, which,
38:30
spoiler alert, he kind of is a jerk.
38:33
He's such. A jerk.
38:34
OK, first of all, I love how she looks in this scene with the
38:39
grey velvet. Yeah, that's why.
38:41
And then the yellow or not yellow, sorry, orange like
38:45
brocade on the inside with the like the clasp detail, the
38:50
orange feather. I was like girl.
38:52
Mm hmm girl. Yeah, that's it's in the running
38:55
for one costume room. All over here and honestly,
38:58
Norfolk beside her, Christopher Eccleston, he's killing it in
39:03
this moment too. There weren't.
39:05
I like really didn't care about his costumes all that much.
39:08
But when I saw him like ready to receive the French, I was like,
39:12
oh, he can't. He he gets it well.
39:15
It's almost funny 'cause it's like they all knew that they had
39:17
to put up a good front when the French were appearing.
39:20
Because of course, here comes the French Peacock, feathers and
39:24
all, being as like loud and campy as possible.
39:29
My gosh, yes. And the French, I think he's
39:32
like a Duke does like the dumbest thing, which her father
39:40
actually did that to one of his wives.
39:44
He did that to his fourth wife. It was like a chivalrous act
39:52
that you like to dress up in disguise and then go just like.
39:56
Yeah, Boo then. Go just like, oh surprise, I'm
40:01
I'm your fiance. Elizabeth was so annoyed and
40:04
honestly I was over the entire marriage before he even said the
40:09
second sentence. And you know what I find really
40:11
funny? It's just like someone who's
40:13
nerdy and knows history. So her stepmother, basically
40:20
Henry's fourth wife, who did survive because they got
40:27
divorced, but she was like a German Princess and she didn't
40:30
speak English. And he comes in and, like, all,
40:33
like, in disguise. And he's like, significantly
40:37
older than her and is like, trying to do this, like,
40:39
romantic gesture. And she's just like, what?
40:43
Yeah, what is happening? Like, she's just, like, not
40:46
amused. And her and Elizabeth were
40:49
pretty close. Yeah.
40:50
So I can just imagine Elizabeth being like my stepmom warned me
40:54
about this. This effing guy and like he was
40:58
playing that little flute thing which was like it's peak
41:01
annoying. I would have broke in half so.
41:04
Yeah, like he looks like this is like, honestly, they all look
41:08
like they're wearing way too much clothing for the weather.
41:11
But like, him especially, I'm like, he must be sweating.
41:13
That's gross. He's wearing everything he can.
41:15
I support Elizabeth's rights and I also support Elizabeth's
41:19
wrongs, and if her wrong was blowing this man off from the
41:23
very beginning, I'm on her side. I think it's.
41:25
The right, yeah. Oh gosh.
41:30
One of our favorite scenes, though, come swiftly after.
41:35
Yeah, the moment where they're just on the Little River and
41:39
they're boats. It's like a masquerade boat
41:43
fireworks show. It's the OG yacht party, the
41:49
original boats and hoes and and. Someone tries to murder her, but
41:54
it's just like a parade of color in this scene.
41:59
It's a lot of fun. It's beautiful, and we get like
42:01
one last, like, happy moment for Elizabeth.
42:04
She's very colorful, wearing lots of like, you know, like
42:07
corals and Reds. And she's, I would love to know
42:11
who they were, like dressing her up as 'cause she was a fan of a
42:15
masquerade and a dress up party. So I would love to know who
42:18
she's supposed to be. And like, that floral headdress
42:23
can get it, Yeah. And Speaking of someone else who
42:27
can get it, Joseph finds is at this point everyone in the
42:32
Kingdom is very over him because they're.
42:35
Like, oh, they were they? Were very over him.
42:39
Elizabeth needs to get busy making some Elizabeth juniors
42:43
and she spent all of her time with Joseph Fine.
42:46
So you see him on this boat wearing like red and black.
42:49
Honestly he was giving like devil vibes to me because
42:52
everyone's like look at this mother effort.
42:54
Like you just won't. He won't piss off, you know?
42:58
Like I just feel like everyone was so annoyed.
43:00
So to me he just looked like Fire Devil.
43:03
Historically accurate. Everybody hated that man.
43:07
I get it. I mean, I'm like, you know, when
43:09
you're working on something for so long and someone keeps
43:12
holding up progress, they're like, dude, let's go.
43:14
Come on. They tried to assassinate her at
43:16
the point they're like, I'm done with this.
43:18
I know, I know. But one thing I love about Lord
43:23
Dudley, he is always down to match his Queen.
43:26
There is a big grand feast going on while the French Duke is
43:31
there and Elizabeth is just wearing this incredible black
43:38
and white number, the Pearl headdress.
43:43
I was like I need this. It's so cool.
43:46
It's so cool and Dudley matches her perfectly in this.
43:50
Like it's like a silvery Gray color with his, his black, his
43:57
black metal. I was like Joseph, fine.
44:01
And to me just said that she 'cause she was just almost
44:05
assassinated. I don't know if it's hours or a
44:08
day before. I think it's.
44:09
Probably like because visits like this would last like weeks.
44:12
Right, so. At some point during that time
44:15
frame. And the assassination attempts
44:18
really showed her like, she's like, she was done playing
44:20
games. And I just feel like she put on
44:22
this black and silver number to just be like, all right, let's
44:26
get serious about this. And the assassination isn't even
44:30
the most interesting part of this visit.
44:32
No, because she's having this big old feast for this French
44:37
Duke, who I think she is like seriously considering marrying
44:40
him. And he doesn't show up.
44:43
And she's like, I don't like this man and I'm going to prove
44:47
why I don't like him. And she just rolls up to his
44:50
orgy. Like.
44:55
Where he's wearing a dress. I I got the feeling he was like
45:00
pretending to be her. I was too.
45:03
I felt like I'm not gonna knock someone wearing a dress do.
45:07
Whatever you. Want I was.
45:08
That wasn't the part that was pissing me off.
45:10
I don't. Think that was the part that
45:11
pissed off Elizabeth either I. Think I feel like he was mocking
45:14
her a little bit and I was like, oh, that's not funny.
45:17
You have all the orgies you want in my castle.
45:20
That's not even the I was. Like not my problem.
45:23
You know, but to mock her, I was like, Boo or you blew it, man,
45:27
she had so many. She was like, I just need a
45:30
reason to say no to this man. Yeah.
45:32
And he served it up to her. Yeah, even when she's says like,
45:36
you're wearing a dress and he's like, yeah.
45:38
And I think she's like, well, you're right.
45:40
That's just one of the many reasons, but it's not my number
45:43
one reason. But it's like, because she
45:45
brought like an entire, like a group of her inner circle, Yeah.
45:50
And like advisors to be like. Yeah.
45:53
Like this is a reason none of you can object to for me not
45:57
marrying him. And Richard Attenborough's
45:59
character is still like, OK, but if you guys get married today,
46:05
we could all take, like, a little vacation tomorrow, you
46:07
know, He's like. You just got to pop out an air
46:09
or two and then we can send him back to France.
46:11
Please, let's get this going. But we have some shady
46:15
characters behind the scenes. Yeah, I love.
46:18
So we have James Frain playing a Spanish priest.
46:24
Yeah. And I have to say, I mean James
46:29
Frain plays a lot of like Moody men in dark costumes, but this
46:34
is like peak Moody man in a like all black costume.
46:41
Yeah, I honestly, when he walked by in his costume, which has
46:44
like the little, you know, like Count Dracula collar going on, I
46:48
was like, he has like a lot coming off of his shoulder.
46:52
It's one of my favorite men's costumes, if not like the best
46:56
men's costume. It's.
46:57
I agree. Really cool and I I would aspire
47:00
to be this character if I was in Elizabeth movie because he has
47:05
the coolest costume. He does, He really does.
47:08
Very scary spooky. Just like our dear friend
47:12
Geoffrey Rush, who plays waltzing him.
47:16
Yeah, he. The spy master.
47:19
Spy Master. He's giving Game of Thrones
47:22
energy in this film. He too like, also has like the
47:26
dark energy of the Spanish priest, but he is a little bit
47:31
more, he blends in a little bit more.
47:33
He has a little bit more like, purple tones in his costumes
47:36
'cause he's a little bit more approachable.
47:39
Or at least he wants himself to appear that way.
47:41
I feel like his costumes, they're, they remind me of like
47:46
a judge almost. And they're very like, what's
47:52
the word? Almost like Elizabethan, like
47:57
secretary, like, I'm here to like, do what you need me to do.
48:04
And I'm going to look official. He looks very official.
48:06
He does and I think that's really good point.
48:08
He does look very official, but you know, he also, he's kind of
48:14
like subtle in a way too, which allows him to kind of be like
48:17
the judge, jury and executioner on a lot of wow initiatives for
48:22
the Queen. So I think that's very
48:24
intentional by Alexander's part to not make him so opulent.
48:28
So he's not always standing out. He's able to fade into the
48:30
background a bit. That's part of his job.
48:32
He needs to. Yeah, going on, as you know,
48:38
plots are like piling up against Elizabeth.
48:42
She's like, I've gotta cut off Lord Dudley.
48:47
She's like, I'm done. I'm murdering all these people.
48:52
I can't murder him 'cause I love him.
48:54
But I also, I just can't do this anymore.
48:59
And I love this like grayish purple look, the rough, the hat,
49:06
the feather. Unlike she dressed to the nines
49:10
to break this man's heart. She did, but she also, I love
49:14
the color choice though too, because to me it feels very
49:17
ghost like very specter, like she's just drained of all of
49:20
that color that she loved and just as there's not much left in
49:25
her at this point. 'Cause it's like the stress of
49:28
everything going on is getting to her.
49:30
Yeah, it's, you know, like how presidents are going to office.
49:33
You see them eight years later and they just look horrible.
49:36
Poor Obama. Yeah, well I mean he still looks
49:40
great, but like when you compare the 2.
49:43
But that's what I'm getting like Elizabeth is having the
49:46
eight-year present effect, but I don't.
49:48
It's probably what been like. A couple years.
49:51
OK. It's been a couple years.
49:52
This film compresses time like a lot of historical films.
49:58
Sure. Yeah, she looks absolutely
50:00
drained and she is over it at this point.
50:04
She is so over it. She's so over it.
50:06
She has her, what I call her come to Jesus moment in this
50:12
stunning just deep plum with this black sparkly applique.
50:19
I was like, oh, girl. And you can see she already has
50:24
the I'm married to England ring on.
50:27
She's like, she's at I think some sort of altar just being
50:33
like, what the fuck am I doing? But also being like, oh, I have
50:39
to turn myself into an icon, which is where we get the Virgin
50:46
Queen. Oh my gosh, can I just say my
50:49
favorite quote from the entire film?
50:51
I've been saying it all day. So when she walks down the aisle
50:55
and she goes observe Lord Burgley, I am married to
51:00
England. I got chilled.
51:03
I was like, damn, she killed it. She is just like in that moment,
51:08
she's taking control of her personal life and her political
51:12
life just in one fell swoop. I also love, I couldn't get
51:18
really a picture of it, but all of her ladies maids are dressed
51:22
also in white, mimicking her. Like, it's just so this is like
51:28
the Elizabeth we all know from the portraits, like, this is the
51:36
Virgin Queen. This is, you know, the idol, the
51:41
icon she made herself into. And Shakara Kampur talked to the
51:48
Guardian. He was making this quote about
51:52
Elizabeth, the golden Age, but I believe it still applies.
51:55
He said we chose to see virginity as a political
52:00
statement rather than a historical fact.
52:04
If you can't see our own times and lives in a film, there's no
52:09
reason to make it. And especially because, like,
52:13
probably more around the time Elizabeth, the golden age there
52:16
was, you know, kind of started to hear, you know, less women
52:20
are getting married, like more women are taking financial
52:24
control of their lives. And that's kind of reached a bit
52:28
of a fever pitch in our society today.
52:31
But it's definitely, it does resonate that like, hey, it's
52:37
maybe best for me to just be with myself.
52:40
Yeah. And control my own life.
52:43
Which I'm sure absolutely drove the people crazy.
52:48
Do you want some hot Tudor tea though?
52:51
That's that's one of the reasons why I hang out with you, one of
52:55
the many reasons. So as stated in the film where
53:01
Dudley was already married. Right.
53:04
Which I was like. Yeah, yeah.
53:09
And Elizabeth, perhaps a flaw of hers was she did not like men to
53:15
bring their wives to court. Yeah.
53:18
Which like I can kind of understand that.
53:21
It like it got on their nerves. Yeah, well, I think it probably
53:25
made them easier to control. I think that was more it she
53:29
wanted to be all of their attention.
53:31
I get it. So he had a wife who he kind of
53:37
like, he didn't even just like leave her at their Manor house.
53:42
He just like, kind of like shuffled her around living with
53:46
like random people. And back in those days, you were
53:51
very rarely alone, especially if you were of a higher rank.
53:56
And one day, she is left alone in the home of his steward.
54:03
People come back. She's at the bottom of the
54:05
stairs, dead. What?
54:09
They say she was ill there. I can send you a whole
54:12
documentary. And they think she must have
54:14
fallen back down the stairs by accident and broken her neck.
54:19
But they have found coroner's reports that that think oh
54:24
maybe, just maybe she was murdered by Queen Elizabeth and
54:28
Lord Dudley so that they could get married.
54:32
But it created such a stir that soon after this event is when
54:40
Queen Elizabeth started calling herself the Virgin Queen and
54:43
decided not to get married. Oh, that's awkward.
54:46
Imagine you're like. Well, people think like, 'cause
54:50
it really it destroyed Lord Dudley's reputation.
54:54
Yeah, and it really caused waves.
54:59
Hmm, yeah, I'm gonna have to get it.
55:00
Send me some of these documents. Yeah, it's on Amazon.
55:03
I'm. Almost done with Cleopatra so I
55:04
need another historical figure to no problem.
55:07
Obsessed about hot girl historical hot girl.
55:11
Summer is not over in my heart and I need something to carry me
55:14
to spooky season. And it should never be over in
55:16
your heart. Always remember our historical
55:18
hot girls and learn their stories.
55:21
But with that, we actually really are at the end of our
55:24
historical hot girls summer. That's the end of Elizabeth.
55:27
I'm so glad we watched it. I, I really enjoyed it.
55:30
It was it was different than I remembered and I enjoyed it.
55:35
Not a good time, but we're not done yet.
55:37
Well, what would you give Elizabeth as a stitch rating?
55:45
I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give Elizabeth 3 1/2 stitches.
55:50
OK. 'Cause it looked phenomenal.
55:58
I do think it was written and directed beautifully.
56:01
I think the sets are beautiful. I do think if you don't have
56:06
some prior historical knowledge, though, it can be confusing.
56:10
Yeah, and there were some wild choices made.
56:16
I agree, which is why I believe I I'm trying to remember what I
56:20
did on letterbox. I lost.
56:22
I gave it a 4.5 on a letterbox but I think it's actually more
56:26
realistically A4 for me because it is super strong visually and
56:30
I think all the performances are great.
56:33
But as someone with a pretty public school education, which I
56:38
don't think any of this was in my textbooks, I did not know
56:42
what the hell was going on for a good part of this film.
56:46
I know this stuff 'cause I sat around on my cyber school laptop
56:51
watching The History Channel. So I didn't know what was going
56:55
on. So for that I was like, there
56:57
really was not a strong you. You're like, you're saying you
57:01
had to have some sort of idea of what's going on.
57:03
I thought subtitles would save me and even that so for that.
57:07
But I mean, I don't know who to blame except for myself.
57:10
But as a film, I thought, you know, directing, like you said,
57:13
great. I think Cate Blanchett should
57:16
have walked away for the Oscar that year.
57:18
Lead actress. It's it's a great film and I'm
57:23
glad Alexander was at least nominated.
57:25
I'm glad she was nominated. Yeah, I think.
57:29
I think the sack pack Elm lost her the win.
57:35
I was going to tell you I had a theory, and it's my theory.
57:39
My theory is that all the costume designers loved the
57:44
vision. Yeah, could not forgive some of
57:47
the historical inaccuracies. And quite frankly, if it was the
57:51
sack back gown, I get it. I have some thoughts but I don't
57:56
want to get into that. If you don't know what I'm
57:58
talking about, a sack back gown is a French, a form of French
58:03
dress from like the 1700s, right?
58:07
200 years after this time period.
58:10
I really don't want to go comparing and contrasting these
58:12
films costume wise between this and Shakespeare in Love.
58:16
I think they're on the same par, but I think that like maybe some
58:23
of the inaccuracies are what in in in the electorate's mind
58:30
might have put it down to not not winning, if you understand.
58:35
I just, I'm just going to say this very quick and I'll try to
58:38
be very quick, but I feel like we have this reaction.
58:42
We watch Shakespeare in Love when we see Queen Elizabeth
58:45
played by Dame Judi Dench. We're like, we have, of course,
58:48
like such incredible costume. I think that's like the costume,
58:54
though. And I just feel like Elizabeth
58:57
had several of those costumes. I don't know.
59:02
I love them both. Yeah, I.
59:04
I love them both. The 5th.
59:05
From this point on, I'm glad I was not a Oscars voter in 1999.
59:12
Yeah, Colleen Atwood was also nominated that year, so I would
59:16
a film that I actually have not heard of.
59:18
What? Was it?
59:21
Called. It's not in, it's not in our
59:22
boilerplate that we say that doesn't.
59:24
Mean I haven't seen it. Every other episode, yeah.
59:28
Who was nominated in 1998 or 1990?
59:31
Nine OK, so we're we're back from a quick so 1999 it was
59:37
Sandy Powell for Shakespeare in Love, which she won.
59:40
Yes. Sandy Powell for Velvet
59:42
Goldmine, Juliana Makovski for Pleasantville.
59:46
Juliana recently did Superman. Congrats Alexandra Burn for
59:51
Elizabeth and then Colleen Atwood for a film called Beloved
59:56
or Beloved. I've heard of it, it's
59:57
apparently very good. I feel like I've never heard of
1:00:01
this film before. And we do About Colleen Atwood
1:00:04
episode every three episodes. It's I've heard of it.
1:00:10
It's definitely not one of her known ones though 'cause I think
1:00:16
that's like right as she's like starting to work with. 99 was
1:00:22
just a little bit after, yeah, a little bit after Edward
1:00:27
Scissorhands, I think. Yeah, but like before, who have
1:00:31
been Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow?
1:00:35
Mars Attacks. Mars Attacks, But then in the
1:00:38
2000s, their relationship. Really.
1:00:40
Yeah. Anyway, sorry that was a side
1:00:44
try. We're never gonna win with the
1:00:46
years. I'm sure we're all over the
1:00:47
place, but anyways, shall we play our favorite game?
1:00:52
I was getting. Ready to say hit it, Daniel, hit
1:00:56
it, Elizabeth the. One costume to rule them all.
1:01:06
Spencer, what's your one costume to rule them all?
1:01:09
So first I have to give a honorable mention to a costume
1:01:15
that was almost my one costume rule them all.
1:01:17
But I just cannot in good conscience give it to it.
1:01:20
It is that wonderful French lady in the very chaotic.
1:01:24
On the battlefield. In the battlefield costume, man,
1:01:27
I just had her name here. It's like Mary of Guys or
1:01:32
something. Mary of Geez.
1:01:33
Geez, there you go. Yeah, right.
1:01:37
Those. Three years of French come back
1:01:39
every now and then. Never taken French.
1:01:43
Yeah, I thought that was such a fantastic costume.
1:01:45
But the actual costume I picked as my one costume is her
1:01:49
Elizabeth's black and silver ganda she wears after she was
1:01:54
just assassinated and get ready to walk in on her fiance,
1:01:58
boyfriend, husband. Potential fiance.
1:02:01
Yeah, having an orgy dress, that's herself.
1:02:03
So I just felt like this was her I'm done playing games dress.
1:02:09
She's very clearly over it and I loved it.
1:02:12
You all probably thought I was going to pick the virgin queen
1:02:15
dress. And to that I would say you were
1:02:18
probably right. I did put that down about 5
1:02:21
different times, but I I felt like that was the obvious choice
1:02:24
so. I have to say, Spencer, your one
1:02:30
costume to rule them all would definitely be my honorable
1:02:33
mention because it's just, it's such a mood.
1:02:37
It's so visually interesting and beautiful.
1:02:42
But I've got to say my one costume to rule them all is her
1:02:47
coronation ball gown. The gold, her hair down, the
1:02:53
simplicity of it, what it stands for, and the incredible cover
1:02:59
art it made for the DVD. Like that image was everywhere
1:03:04
when we were growing up. And it's, it's the simplicity of
1:03:08
it which makes it so powerful. You know, after all that huge
1:03:12
coordination she had, and she had that bones like, just
1:03:15
letting you all know though, I'm still a good time and that's not
1:03:19
gonna change. No, no, it's not.
1:03:23
We are changing into a new season though, Spencer.
1:03:27
We're entering that wonderful time in between hot girl summer
1:03:32
and spooky season where we switch it up a little bit.
1:03:35
I'm excited we are getting into yeah, we always every year with
1:03:40
the September episodes, we're kind of like.
1:03:42
It's always something different. We don't never really know what
1:03:46
to do, you know, because obviously we're ready to go for
1:03:48
spooky season like that. Trust and believe we're ready to
1:03:51
go there. So we've been kind of been
1:03:54
talking about doing like a adventure.
1:03:58
Yeah. 80s series which is 2 episodes long so and with that
1:04:07
there is an exciting event that happens every year which I've
1:04:10
never been to but so many that's.
1:04:12
So bad. Some weird costume nerds have
1:04:14
reached out to me, like, are you going to the Labyrinth
1:04:17
Masquerade? And I'm always, I don't know, it
1:04:19
was never on my radar, and now everyone sends me pictures every
1:04:23
year. And with that, I was like, we
1:04:26
haven't talked about Labyrinth on the podcast before.
1:04:29
You know, something, you've never seen it.
1:04:31
I've never seen it. A little shocker.
1:04:35
Hey, you've never seen any of the stuff I've seen.
1:04:38
It's true, yeah. But so, yeah, our next episode
1:04:40
is going to be Labyrinth with one David Bowie.
1:04:43
I'm excited because I actually haven't seen this movie since I
1:04:46
watched him VHSA long time ago. It's been a long time.
1:04:51
I really don't remember much about this movie except that
1:04:55
it's David Bowie. He looks incredible and he has a
1:04:58
huge codpiece. You really everyone was thinking
1:05:05
it. I mean, it is.
1:05:07
I was unaware. So stay tuned for that.
1:05:13
Stay tuned for that. It's a costume fact.
1:05:16
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1:05:19
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1:05:22
Elizabeth and our historical Hot Girl Summer as a whole.
1:05:27
What were your favorite ones? Favorite costumes?
1:05:29
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1:05:31
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how much it helps. Yeah, it really, really matters.
1:06:15
And with that, Elizabeth, it's been a lot of fun doing this
1:06:18
series with you. Gosh, what was you in our first
1:06:20
one, the four Cleopatra? We did Cleopatra.
1:06:24
Memoirs of a Geisha. What was our first one?
1:06:31
It's been a long series. Oh no.
1:06:39
Sorry y'all, our lives are wild and our brains are fried.
1:06:48
I gotta stop saying this up for traps but also they're not like
1:06:53
hard ones. Like it's going to Co-op right
1:06:55
now. Oh, Pride and Prejudice.
1:06:59
Oh my gosh, I. Forget that.
1:07:02
You were so mad. That was eons ago, it feels
1:07:05
like. Yeah, it's been a fun series and
1:07:07
I hope you enjoyed it. And thank you, Elizabeth, for
1:07:10
recommending it. No problem anytime.
1:07:13
Now it's time to clean the slate before we get into our spooky
1:07:15
season, which I can't believe is upon us already.
1:07:18
I'm so excited for our spooky season as well.
1:07:21
All right. Thanks everyone.