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TCC 29: The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez Part 2 · True Crime California

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  Speaker 1: Dark Cast Network. Welcome to the dark side of podcasting.
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  Speaker 2: First came love, then came lies, control and Murder. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to True Crime California. I'm your host, Cindy,
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  and I'm glad you're here. Hey everybody, welcome back. I'm Siddy,
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  the host of True Crime California, and this is Richard
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  Ramirez Part two. Now, before we get too into anything,
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  please just know that I'm a lying liar who lies
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  and it wasn't intentional. I really thought i'd have this
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  out earlier, but here we are. I you know, life
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  gets in the way, guys. I did my best. I'm
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  so sorry. Also, this is probably gonna be a monster
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  part two because I think I actually stopped recording Part
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  one a little on the early side, So this is
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  gonna be a long one. But I'm not gonna break
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  it into three parts because God knows, we don't need
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  six weeks of Richard Ramirez, and with my crazy schedule,
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  I'm not gonna get these out any faster. So let's
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  see how long this is. But we're all in it together, guys.
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  I also lied about playing my friend's song. That wasn't
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  a lie so much as I chose I'm gonna play
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  it at the end of this episode because I think
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  think it makes more sense to close it out with
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  a song about Richard Ramirez. So anyway, I apologize for lying.
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  Life gets in the way, or as they say with
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  drafts Park, life finds a way, and I found a
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  way to record it just took a lot fucking longer
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  than I thought it would. So sorry about that, guys.
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  I sound like I'm not sorry, but I really am.
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  I don't mean to make everybody wait. There's just so
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  much that happens in life and work and with kids,
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  and it's just it's hard to find the time. So
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  I do apologize. I'm glad you all are here, like
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  I always say, and I'm excited to discuss this piece
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  of shit and this crazy fucking case. So we're back
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  and we're talking about the piece of shit murderer Richard Ramirez,
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  otherwise known as the night Stalker or sometimes the night Intruder,
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  although it definitely doesn't have as good of a ring.
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  In Part one, we went over his young life and family,
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  discussed his many head injuries, the potential poisoning he suffered
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  before he was even born, his crazy drug use, and
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  a newer development, which was that he mated his young
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  niece for about six years and stopped just a few
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  months before going on a rape and murder rampage up
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  and down the state of California. Now we ended Part
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  one in the epically horrific murder of nine year old
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  May Lung, who was raped, beaten, stabbed, and left hanging
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  by her own shirt in the basement of a hotel
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  style apartment building in San Francisco, so in a poorer
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  area called the Tenderloin, which is still kind of a
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  poorer area but pretty gentrified, as is most of San Francisco. Now,
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  this is one of the more horrific crimes of his,
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  which is crazy to say, as most of what he
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  did is really awful, but the violence against a child
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  is just, you know, beyond the pale. I would say
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  he was just as violent with other people, but they
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  were adults, and I mean, I guess, you know, a
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  million's a million. It's all fucking terrible, But the fact
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  that like his first murder was a little girl is
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  really telling about the kind of person that he is.
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  You know, Now, before I it more into this absolute
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  piece of shit, I wanted to share that I found
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  out that a friend of mine, who's a bit older
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  than I am, I will say, actually grew up knowing
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  the Ramirez family and his older sister used to hang
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  out with Richard Ramirez at the local park. My friend
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  was born and raised in El Paso and was the
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  youngest of three by about ten years. So while Richard
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  was like thirteen years older than he is, his sister
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  was only three years younger than Richard. And you know
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  how it goes with neighborhood kids, like ages can range
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  quite a bit, but you kind of all hang out.
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  My friend also said he remembers hanging out with a
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  younger boy he thought was maybe Richard's younger brother, but
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  it wasn't. It was Rosie's little brother. And Rosie is
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  the niece that he was raping, and he's actually the
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  younger sibling of hers was about the same age as
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  my friend. So anyway, that's fucking crazy, he like pointed out.
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  He said the family was a bunch of weirdos. But
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  he named the cross street where they lived, and I
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  looked it up. The house is no longer there, but
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  you can still find the address, and he was, like,
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  exactly right. And apparently his dad works next worked next
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  door to their house, which is crazy. The whole area
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  is a park now, which is like also weird, but like,
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  what a fucking trip, right, So, anyway, the world is
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  very small.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I have friends that wrote a song about Richard Rumirez,
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  and I have a friend who fucking knew Richard Rumirez
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  and his whole fucking family. That shit is fucking wild
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  to me. But anyway, okay, let's get into the insanity
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  of this case. When we left office, I said Richard
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  was in and out of living with his brother and
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  sleeping in stolen cars in la or staying with his
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  friend Donna in the Bay Area. And had just killed
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  may Lung in the Bay area, and real quick. Prior
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  to that, he'd actually abducted another little girl from her
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  home in La forcing her into a duffel bag, and
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  repeatedly sexually assaulting her before dropping her off in a
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  random place in the dark, all alone defend for herself.
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  But he did not kill her. She pardon me. She
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  was returned to her parents and described her attacker as tall, dark,
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  and with terrible breath. Luckily, she survived, as did a
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  few other children he abducted and raped, including a boy
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  who he took from his home, assaulted, and dropped off
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  randomly like he had with the first girl. He also
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  picked a little girl up from a bus stop and
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  returned her to another random place when he was done,
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  So this was kind of like his like precursor, I guess,
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  was just like picking the kids up, you know, assaulting them,
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  molesting them, and then dropping them off somewhere else. Unfortunately,
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  may Lung did not survive, but all the other children did,
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  which is a small favor in a case like this.
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  So real quick, I do have to correct myself. I'm
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  off by a whole lass fucking year. So he didn't
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  kill may Lung in nineteen eighty five. He killed her
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  in nineteen eighty four, so this was April tenth, nineteen
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  eighty four, And I apologize I'm a whole year off
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  because I believe he stopped molesting his niece in nineteen
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  eighty three and then killed Maylung a few months later
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  in nineteen eighty four. So I do apologize part one.
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  I was off by a year. I'm not actually sure
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  how that happened, but I did want to call that out.
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  So again, Maylung was murdered April tenth, nineteen eighty four,
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  and not even three months later, on June twenty seventh,
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  nineteen eighty four, Richard again went on the prowl. Now
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  this time he was in LA in the Glacelle Park area,
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  which is weird as I just drove through there like
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  a couple of weeks ago. When I took these notes,
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  I actually said earlier today, but obviously it's taken me
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  a while to record. I used to go through there
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  all the time. I used to work in Eagle Rock,
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  which is literally next door, and they're kind of interchangeable,
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  so I know this area well. So when I read
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  that this is where like kind of his first La
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  murder took place. It really kind of freaked me out.
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  So this is like a very working class area. It's
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  very gentrified now, but even you know, five ten years
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  ago when I was working there, it was still very
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  like working class in many areas are But it's also
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  mostly families, mostly homes, and is generally like a quiet,
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  safe area to live. Now on this night, obviously, Richard's
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  gonna fuck all that up because, as always, he was
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  high on cocaine, which he just shot into his veins.
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  He wasn't even snorting it at this point, he was
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  literally shooting it. And from here he wanted to get
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  into some trouble now real quick. As you'll see, Richard
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  Ramirez is fairly different from other serial killers in that
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  he's not organized in any way, not in who he murders,
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  not really in how he murders, although that does start
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  to become a little more of a pattern. But one
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  of the only things that is pretty consistent with his
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  crimes is that he would always steal something from his
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  victims' homes, which harkens back to his nickname of Fingers.
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  On account of being a borderline kleptomaniac. Now beyond that
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  his attacks were extremely random in pretty much every way imaginable. Now,
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  I do want to say that as time goes on,
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  you do start to see some repeated behaviors, and I
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  think had this lasted a lot longer, he would have
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  developed a signature and sort of like a calling card.
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  But as you'll see, this was like, you know, a
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  year and a half spree and it never became really organized.
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  You know, I think he's considered a thrill killer, with
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  you know, the random nature of his attacks being what
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  turns him on, like what he likes about it most,
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  which is really fucking gross. Anyway, It's June twenty seventh,
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  late at night, and Richard goes to a two story
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  pink apartment building off of Chapman Street. Now he makes
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  sure nobody's around. And remember he's been taught really well
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  how to prowl and how to peep and how to
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  break in homes, so he knows when he's safe to
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  break in, and this is also how he makes his money.
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  So he's quite adept at this. So he chooses a
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  floor level apartment in this building. He has no idea
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  who lives there or even if anybody's home, and he
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  just breaks in, he just decides to see what's gonna happen,
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  and inside is seventy nine year old Jenny vin Cow.
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  Now she lives a but one of her two sons
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  lives just upstairs in the apartment, just up and over
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  from hers, which is what makes this so much more heartbreaking,
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  just to know he was so close while all of
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  this happened. Richard entered the house through an open window
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  and quickly came upon Jenny sleeping soundly in her bed.
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  He quickly realized she was alone and decided to steal
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  some valuables from the house. When he found there were none,
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  he became very angry, and whether he intended to or not, originally,
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  at that moment, he decided he was going to kill
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  Jenny because he was pissed off that she didn't have
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  anything for him to take. He took a six inch
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  hunting knife from his backpack, which is honestly really strange.
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  He doesn't normally bring knives with him, but this time
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  he did. He stood over her for a moment and
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  then plunged the knife into her chest. Jenny woke up screaming,
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  but somehow nobody heard her. He stabbed her over and
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  over covering her mouth to muffle her screams, and he
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  then slashed her throat so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.
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  He then watched as she died and this is really rough, guys.
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  This excited him, so he then either raped her dead
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  body or pleasured himself over it for over an hour
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  before washing his hands in her bathroom sink, grabbing a
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  small radio as he always had to steal something, and
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  leaving her apartment. He got into the stolen car. He
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  driven to the area and went back to skid row
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  in downtown La. Now, while around one pm the following day,
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  Jenny Sung Jack came down from his apartment to check
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  on his mom, and you can guess what he saw,
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  and it's so fucked up. Police were called and they
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  were able to find two or three partial fingerprints, but
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  not much else, and those were unfortunately not super super helpful.
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  As police began their investigation because remember this is the
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  first La murder and it's not connected to any of
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  the children the child abductions, so they have nothing to
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  go on. So they're just getting started on this investigation
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  while Richard begins to you know, continue his crime spree.
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  Now for a while, he didn't kill anybody else, but
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  he regularly broke into and burglarized many homes, sometimes three
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  or four in a day to support his drug habit
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  as well as pay for rooms when he was fighting
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  with his brother, which was pretty often. He also, you know,
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  like I said, I think this is actually kind of
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  when he oh hit my mic Sorry, this is when
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  he started abducting the children. So he was doing this
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  kind of at the beginning. In between, so he he
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  stopped molesting his knees or raping his niece. He killed
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  May Lung in San Francisco, then he killed Jenny, and
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  then he was like throughout this time, both before and
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  after May, I believe he was abducting the children. Now,
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  I personally believe that the children he was doing that
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  to make up for what he could no longer do
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  to his niece. But once he started realizing that he
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  could just murder adults, he stopped because he was getting
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  even more power and excitement from that than he was
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  from hurting kids. So he sort of escalated out of
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  molesting children because it was more about power and switched
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  to just attacking adults. Now I could be wrong, but
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  that's that's my assessment now nine months after he killed
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  Jenny Vincout and only about a month after abducting his
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  final little girl. On March seventeenth, nineteen eighty five, Richard
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  Ramirez followed a woman to her condo in Rosemead, which
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  is sort of in the southern part of La More
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  on the east side of the city, like kind of
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  near Pasadena, which is where a lot of his attacks
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  took place. So I don't actually think he attacked anybody Pasadena,
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  but it's all like kind of just south of there,
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  but over on that side of the city. The woman
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  he followed home was Marie Hernandez, who lived with Dale
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  Yoshi Okazaki. As a note, both were women. Dale, who
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  was thirty four, had come home from her parents' house
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  just after nine pm and was inside the home. Dale
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  was a really lovely woman. She was bright, she was fun,
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  she was loving. She was a super good and supportive friend.
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  One friend later recalled that he had told her he
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  had to paint his house that weekend, and bright and
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  early Saturday morning, she showed up paintbrush in hand. It
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  was one of the final like wonderful acts of kindness
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  that Dale did in her life. Unfortunately, Dale was creative
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  and fun. She was taking classes on computer programming, cake decorating,
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  and flower arranging. She had also recently completed a class
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  on self defense. Now. Dale had saved up her money
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  to buy this condo for a long time and had
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  Maria move in to help with the mortgage. They were
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  obviously also friends now. That night, Maria was on her
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  way home and was just getting out of her car
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  when she was approached by Richard Ramirez, who came at
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  her with his twenty two caliber gun drawn. She yelled,
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  oh God, no, please don't, but he shot her anyway,
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  aiming right at her face. Luckily, Maria her name is Maria,
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  not Marie.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Maria had her keys in her hand and held them
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  to her face, and they fucking blocked the bullet. She
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  somehow had the presence of mind to play dead, but
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  unfortunately the attack had taken place inside of their open garage,
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  which was attached to the house by a door that
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  went into their kitchen. Dale, who again was inside, heard
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  the shot and was in the kitchen walking toward that
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  very door when Richard Ramirez used it to come into
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  their house. Dale quickly dove behind a can, but Richard
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  stood stop still and waited. Dale, thinking he might be gone,
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  lifted her head over the counter to see if the
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  coast was clear, and Richard shot her in the face
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  at nearly point blank range. Dale died immediately. Meanwhile, Maria
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  gets up to run for help, and Richard actually saw her.
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  She screamed for him to please not shoot her again
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  and hid behind a car, and instead of pursuing her,
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  Richard left and yet another stolen car, leaving his first
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  living witness. Maria then called the police, but unfortunately it
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  was too late to save Dale. As a side note,
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  when Dale's funeral took place, so many people came that
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  they had to put seating outside of the church. That's
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  the kind of woman that she was, and Richard Ramirez
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  fucking murdered her in her home for no fucking reason. Now,
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  just about thirty minutes after this attack, Richard got on
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  the ten Freeway and just went just a short ways
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  to Monterey Park, which again just a little bit south
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  of Pasadena, and as a note, is one of the
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  safest cities in that area. They have great schools, very
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  family oriented, they have a very large Asian population. It's
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  a very, very safe, very family oriented area. He followed
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  another woman off of the freeway, and which is so weird.
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  He just like, I don't know, like in the dark
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  at night, I don't notice who I'm driving in front
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  of her behind. But I guess I'm not hunting people either,
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  So anyway, he follows this woman off the freeway. The
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  woman was thirty year old Veronica You, who was on
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  her way to the home she shared with her parents
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  after spending the day with her friend. Veronica actually realized
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  that Richard Rumirez was following her and pulled over and stopped.
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  That's fucking bold. He drove by, deciding to leave her alone,
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  but then she started following him. Which this is not
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  me victim blaming. But guys don't fucking do this, and
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  I do it too. I gotta listen to my own advice.
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  It's just you know, I'm not I'm not blaming her.
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  I would probably do the fucking same thing if some
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  dude was following me, but it's not smart. Now Richard
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  realized he was now being followed by her, and he
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  pulled over. She pulled her car up next to him,
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  and he got out of his car. She demanded to
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  know why he was following her, and at first he
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  denied it. Then he said, oh, I thought I knew
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  you when she said you're a fucking liar basically, and
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  threatened to call the police. Richard lost control, jumping over
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  from the passenger side of her car to the driver's side,
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  or sorry, from the driver's side of the car to
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  the passenger side, and getting in the passenger seat before
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  shooting her in the ribs at point blank range. He
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  then shot her again as she fell out of the
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  car while screaming for help. Richard took off in her car,
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  not realizing there were two separate witnesses to this attack.
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  He was so frenzy in this moment he forgot to
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  be careful. One man called the police, while the other
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  tried to help Veronica and also asked her who the
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  man was. She was unable to speak, but she was
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  still alive. Sadly, she died just before making it to
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  the hospital. Police immediately interviewed Maria as well as the
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  witnesses to Veronica's murder, and both gave a very similar
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  description of the killer. In fact, both Maria and one
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  of the other witnesses worked with two artists to create
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  composite sketches of the killer, and they were really really similar,
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  Like it looked like two versions of the same person,
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  which they were, but like it's interesting that they were
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  that close, because that doesn't always happen, to be sure. Now, again,
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  at this point, you have to remember that, like, the
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  police don't know about Richard Ramirez. They don't have any
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  sort of you know, a spree killer or serial killer
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  on their radar. And the way that Maria described the
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  attack made the police wonder if the killer was ex military.
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  The headshot aim, the quick, emotionless attack, you know, it's
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  all very strange. They believed Maria when she said that
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  she didn't know her attacker, which meant it was random,
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  and they believed it to be the same for Veronica.
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  As a note, and this does come up later. Despite
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  the police not really have anything to go on at
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  this point, Richard accidentally left his ac DC hat at
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  the scene. Apparently it fell off and he ran away
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  without it, which was another clue he left behind, so
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  he left behind somebody who could identify him physically, and
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  he left behind an ac DC hat, which later becomes
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  a B a B A big part of things. You know,
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  anybody who knows the case. Now, at this point, they
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  brought in rockstar detective Frank Seleerno, who solved the Hillside
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  strangler case which we will cover for help to see
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  if he could figure out what the hell was going on.
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  I won't get too far into the specifics of that,
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  but I did want to mention his involvement as he's
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  a well known and very respected detective, a hero in
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  the through crime world, if you will, and I will
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  be mentioning him a little bit throughout, so I just
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  want to call it now. He and another detective, Gil Courreo,
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  began working this case and actually picked up a suspect,
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  a man named Paul Samuels. He was put in a lineup,
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  was not identified, and was released. From here things got
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  really bad. Just over a week after these murders, Richard
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  went out again looking for victims, and this time his
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  victims were not super random. About a year prior, he
• 21:32
  had burglarized a house in Whittier, up in the hills
• 21:34
  where wealthy people live up above the main city, which
• 21:37
  was nice but more working class. He remembered the house
• 21:40
  was nice, so he thought he'd go back, and this
• 21:42
  time he'd do a lot more than just seal from
• 21:45
  his occupants, which is so fucked up, like you already
• 21:47
  fucking burglarized their house, like leave them alone. He did not.
• 21:52
  At two am on March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five,
• 21:55
  Richard broke into the home of Vincent and Maxine Zazara.
• 22:00
  Vincent was asleep on the couch with Maxine in the bedroom.
• 22:03
  Richard broken through a window, which he pried open, so
• 22:06
  even people who didn't leave their windows open or unlocked
• 22:10
  were not safe. He attacked Vincent first, shooting him in
• 22:14
  the head while he slept. Vincent actually jumped up and
• 22:19
  tried to grab the gun, but the bullet wasn't done
• 22:21
  doing damage and quickly hit his carotid artery, causing him
• 22:25
  to collapse. Maxine, hearing the commotion, tried to get ab
• 22:29
  out of bed, but Richard was on her too quickly.
• 22:32
  He tied her hands with the necktie he found in
• 22:34
  the room and began ransacking the house. Maxine, however, was
• 22:37
  a tough woman and was able to untie her hands
• 22:42
  and grabbed a shotgun from under their bed. As Richard
• 22:47
  spun around, she pointed it at him, and she pulled
• 22:51
  the trigger. Unfortunately, the gun was empty. Vincent had just
• 22:59
  recently removed the bullets because their grandchildren had come over
• 23:02
  and he wanted to be safe, which like way to
• 23:05
  fucking be. What a good grandpa. But fuck this fucking timing,
• 23:10
  because very very very unfortunately he had not put the
• 23:14
  bullets back in, and I think if he had this
• 23:18
  story would have a very different ending. Instead, Richard became
• 23:22
  absolutely enraged and shot Maccine three times, killing her nearly instantly.
• 23:28
  From there, he went to their kitchen, grabbed a large
• 23:31
  knife and began mutilating her body, first by trying to
• 23:36
  cut her heart out, and when that didn't work, by
• 23:39
  cutting out her eyes, placing them in a nearby jewelry box,
• 23:43
  which is fucking morbid as fuck. As a note, he
• 23:47
  took that box with him when he left, But before
• 23:50
  that he tried to rape her, but was so shaken
• 23:52
  by his own near death experience he wasn't able to,
• 23:56
  so instead he stole a VCR and some jewelry, got
• 23:59
  back in his stolen car, and went back to skid Row.
• 24:03
  The next evening, Vincent and Maxine were found by one
• 24:06
  of their employees, who had come by to drop off
• 24:08
  some money to them, as he did at the end
• 24:10
  of every shift. He actually went by twice, the second
• 24:13
  time bringing another employee with him as he had a
• 24:15
  bad feeling. The first time he went by, the front
• 24:18
  door was slightly ajar and nobody answered when he called
• 24:21
  out to them, despite both cars being in the driveway.
• 24:25
  His second visit took him inside the house and what
• 24:27
  he found absolutely destroyed him. He and the other employee
• 24:31
  called the police, and soon the area was a zoo
• 24:34
  with neighbors, detectives the whole bit now. At this scene,
• 24:39
  police found more evidence that would later tie Richard to
• 24:41
  the crimes, and this evidence is a part of his lore.
• 24:44
  Not as famous as his terrible breath, but still one
• 24:47
  of those things that anybody who really knows this case knows.
• 24:50
  That evidence was an eleven and a half size of
• 24:53
  Yea or avia I don't know sneaker's shoeprint, which was
• 24:56
  found outside the Zazara home by the window where he
• 24:59
  broke in. At first, police didn't connect these murders with
• 25:02
  the others Richard had committed, but pretty quickly Gil Courrio
• 25:06
  and Frank Salerno did, and they added this evidence to
• 25:09
  the fingerprints on the car and the ACDC had and
• 25:13
  realized that they had a serial killer on the loose,
• 25:15
  and he had struck again and again got away. As
• 25:20
  a reminder still to this day, but especially back then,
• 25:23
  police departments for each city were run by that city
• 25:25
  and didn't really want to share evidence or information, either
• 25:29
  because they didn't note to you, or because of pride and
• 25:31
  bravado and all that bullshit. Salerno and Creo knew that
• 25:35
  some of the attacks had taken place in Monterey Park,
• 25:38
  so they went to those police to try to better
• 25:40
  connect the dots, and they were not disappointed. They found
• 25:43
  that the police had the car used in the attempted
• 25:46
  abduction and eventual murder of Veronica U. They also found
• 25:50
  that LAPD had a shoeprint from one of the attempted
• 25:52
  abductions of one of the children, one who actually got
• 25:55
  away from him and wasn't assaulted. The shoeprint was basically
• 25:59
  a cat he had stepped in wet cement, and it
• 26:02
  was in fact an eleven and a half size via shoe. Also,
• 26:06
  two of the three surviving children had noted or sorry
• 26:10
  victims just in general, had noted that their abductor's breath
• 26:13
  was horrible and that a foul stench seemed to emanate
• 26:17
  from him, which I fucking love that for you, Richard,
• 26:19
  you fucking piece of shit, using this information and just
• 26:24
  kind of knowing what was about to happen. Because their
• 26:26
  detectives and their good detectives. A task force was formed,
• 26:32
  but still they didn't have much and Richard Ramirez remained
• 26:35
  free to kill again. At this time, Richard was staying
• 26:39
  at the Cecil Hotel, which, to sort of take everyone
• 26:42
  out of the story, I want to mention, if I
• 26:43
  haven't yet, that I used to live literally next door
• 26:45
  to this building in two thousand and nine and twenty ten.
• 26:48
  When I lived there, they had changed the name a
• 26:50
  few times, and it had done some really weird shit
• 26:52
  to try to get people to stay there, including offering
• 26:55
  a free room to anybody willing to sleep in this
• 26:57
  like glass front room on Main Street so people could
• 27:00
  fucking see them in their rooms at pretty much any time.
• 27:04
  It was a really weird gimmick, but it kind of worked,
• 27:07
  and before COVID came and brought downtown back to kind
• 27:10
  of where it was when Richard was staying down there,
• 27:12
  the place almost became sort of a cool place to stay.
• 27:15
  Of course, we'll talk about Elisa Lamb at some point,
• 27:18
  which I'll eventually cover, but for those who don't know,
• 27:20
  she died under very mysterious circumstances in the Cecil Hotel
• 27:24
  in twenty thirteen. Anyway, this hotel could be a podcast
• 27:28
  in itself. It's so full of true crime history, and
• 27:30
  of course Richard Ramirez was a part of that. So
• 27:34
  he was staying there at the time and would regularly
• 27:36
  pick up sex workers using money stolen from his victims.
• 27:39
  He was also using drugs, not just daily, but almost
• 27:41
  every waking hour. He had, you know, kind of decided
• 27:45
  to give into his demons entirely, and to embrace his
• 27:48
  version of Satanism fully and to do evil in the
• 27:51
  hopes of getting all his wishes fulfilled by the devil himself.
• 27:55
  His favorite book was Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. His
• 27:58
  favorite movies were Nightmare on Elm Street in the Texas
• 28:01
  Chainsaw Massacre, and of course he loved ACDC, which to
• 28:05
  me is the mildest of all of those things. Most importantly,
• 28:09
  he continued his frenzy, taking less than three weeks off
• 28:12
  before attacking his next victims on April fourteenth, nineteen eighty five.
• 28:18
  Despite knowing police were looking for him in the area,
• 28:20
  he returned to Monterey Park and found the home of
• 28:23
  sixty six year old Bill Doy and his bed bound wife,
• 28:26
  fifty six year old Lilian Doy. Lillian had suffered a
• 28:30
  stroke two years prior and still had trouble speaking, but
• 28:34
  the two still lived a good life with Bill as
• 28:36
  her caretaker, and had in fact just bought a van
• 28:39
  so they could tour the country together, seeing the sights
• 28:42
  and enjoying their golden years. Unfortunately, this was not to be.
• 28:48
  Richard broke into the house through an open window and
• 28:51
  found himself in a back room in the dead of night.
• 28:54
  He then made his way to the bedroom where Bill
• 28:56
  was sleeping, as Lilian had a hospital bed, so they
• 28:59
  slept in supper rooms. Bill heard him enter the room
• 29:02
  and immediately went for his own gun in the nightstand. Unfortunately,
• 29:07
  Richard shot him just above the lip and the bullet
• 29:09
  damaged his throat, voice box, and brain, forcing Bill to
• 29:14
  the ground and unable to lift his arm to fire
• 29:16
  his own gun. So this is another close call for Richard,
• 29:20
  but again he gets away. Richard then beat Bill unconscious
• 29:24
  as he begged for his life. He then took his
• 29:27
  gun and went to find Lilian. He said something to her,
• 29:30
  he said to a lot of his victims, another calling
• 29:33
  card in an otherwise very disorganized killer. What he said
• 29:36
  was shut up, bitch, or I'll kill you. Richard ransacked
• 29:40
  the house, then put thumbcuffs on Lilian and raped her repeatedly.
• 29:46
  He then left, leaving her alive, likely thinking that since
• 29:49
  she couldn't speak, she wouldn't be a threat. Bill somehow
• 29:54
  woke up, got up and crawled to the phone, calling
• 29:58
  nine one one and bigging for help. All he could say,
• 30:02
  over and over was help me, help me, help me.
• 30:07
  Police came as quickly as they could, and in the meantime,
• 30:09
  Lilian was somehow able to remove one of the thumbcuffs,
• 30:12
  though it left her thumb raw and bleeding. When police
• 30:16
  arrived at five or four am, they found Lilian standing
• 30:18
  in the doorway of her room, unable to speak, but
• 30:21
  pointing to Bill, who had managed to get himself into
• 30:24
  a chair before losing consciousness. He was alive, but barely.
• 30:30
  They rushed to do CPR, then took Bill to the hospital,
• 30:33
  where very sadly, he was pronounced dead at five point
• 30:36
  twenty nine am. Lilian survived attack and spoke of a
• 30:41
  man wearing all black didn't speak, wrote of a man
• 30:44
  wearing all black with foul breath who shot her husband.
• 30:48
  Monterey Park police this time stonewalled the LAPD detectives and
• 30:51
  didn't tell them about the via shoe print or much
• 30:54
  of anything else, including what kind of gun was used.
• 30:57
  This type of ship pisses me off so fucking much
• 30:59
  like you're gonna let more people die because of your
• 31:01
  fucking ego, Like fuck you. The egos of shitty men
• 31:05
  allowing more people to be killed when their literal job
• 31:07
  is to keep that type of thing from happening is
• 31:09
  just fucking crazy to me. So anyway, Gil and Frank
• 31:13
  still think this is connected, but they don't have the
• 31:16
  proof because Monterey Park sucks. Monterey Park Police the city's
• 31:19
  great anyway. On May twenty ninth, nineteen eighty five, just
• 31:23
  a few weeks later, Richard again went out prowling, this
• 31:26
  time stealing a Mercedes from a restaurant before ending up
• 31:28
  in Monrovia, which again not super far from Monterey Park.
• 31:32
  This general area, like I said, is his favorite hunting ground,
• 31:35
  so most of the murders are going to be in
• 31:37
  this general area. I think it's probably because it was
• 31:40
  like a rich area, and people left their doors and
• 31:41
  windows open or unlocked quite often just because it felt
• 31:44
  so safe. And that was exactly the case on this
• 31:48
  night when Richard randomly chose the home of eighty three
• 31:50
  year old Mabel Ma Bell, who lived with her eighty
• 31:54
  one year old disabled sister Neddie. Ma left her front
• 31:58
  door unlocked, a habit she brought with her when she
• 32:00
  moved to the area from Oklahoma over thirty five years prior. Richard,
• 32:05
  like I said, chose this area for its wealth. So
• 32:07
  when he entered the unlocked home and found it very
• 32:10
  modest inside, he became quite angry. He felt like he
• 32:14
  was wasting his time. He was even angrier when he
• 32:17
  realized there were no young women there, only two very
• 32:20
  elderly women, one of whom was clearly an invalid. Richard
• 32:25
  searched the house for a weapon and came upon a hammer,
• 32:27
  which he took into Nettie's room. Because again, he's a
• 32:30
  disorganized killer, Mmm, he doesn't bring his own stuff. So
• 32:34
  he goes into Nettie's room with her own hammer and
• 32:37
  hits her over the head several times, jamming the sharp
• 32:40
  end into her brain. He then used her bedside clock
• 32:45
  to tie her hands, which feels very unnecessary at this point,
• 32:48
  but it's a good thing he did because he accidentally
• 32:50
  stepped on the clock and left a bloody footprint size
• 32:54
  eleven and a half a via. He then went into
• 32:58
  Ma Bell's room and hit her over the aad, but
• 33:00
  unlike Nettie, she woke up screaming. He demanded money and
• 33:05
  she said she didn't have any, so he hit her again,
• 33:07
  then bound her with duct tape. He then took the
• 33:10
  cord from her alarm clock and used it to shock
• 33:13
  her as she was still alive. This torture turned him
• 33:17
  on because he's disgusting, so he went back to Nettie's
• 33:21
  room and raped her while she was still unconscious. He
• 33:24
  then took Ma Bell's lipstick and drew a pentagram on
• 33:27
  the back of her thigh, then on the wall above
• 33:30
  her bed so people would know that he walked with satan.
• 33:34
  He then had a fucking snack from their kitchen, stole
• 33:38
  way he could find, and left. The two women were
• 33:42
  still alive. The very next day, this piece of shit
• 33:46
  made his way to Burbank, where I live and where
• 33:48
  my son currently goes to school. He made his way
• 33:51
  to Avon Street, which is like one of those streets
• 33:53
  that goes all the way through town, but one part
• 33:55
  of it dead ends, and this is where this house was.
• 33:58
  It was like half a block from the dead end. Now,
• 34:00
  Burbank is an extremely safe, quiet town. Even now it
• 34:05
  has its rough edges, but for the most part, it's
• 34:06
  a lot of suburban homes, nice parks, good schools. Warner
• 34:10
  Brothers and Disney studios are here. It's just like a
• 34:12
  very upscale community. So someone like Richard Ramirez coming to
• 34:16
  town is a big fucking deal, And it's another part
• 34:20
  of why he's so scary. He didn't care, he would
• 34:22
  just go anywhere. And on the night of May thirtieth,
• 34:25
  nineteen eighty five, so again, twenty four hours after attacking
• 34:28
  mo Bell and Nettie, he parked his car at the
• 34:31
  end of this dead end street and found the home
• 34:33
  of forty two year old Carol Kyle, who lived with
• 34:36
  her eleven year old son. All doors and windows were locked,
• 34:40
  but there was a doggy door in the back, and
• 34:42
  he used that to reach in and unlock the back door,
• 34:44
  then made his way into the house. There, he found
• 34:47
  Carol sleeping in bed and ambushed her, holding the gun
• 34:50
  to her head. And saying shut up, bitch, or I'll
• 34:53
  kill you. So this was something he said so often
• 34:56
  that police actually used it in a lineup, made everybody
• 35:01
  say it so that they could better identify him later on.
• 35:04
  Later on, when he gets caught, he makes Carol get
• 35:07
  out of bed and go to her son's room. He
• 35:09
  opens the door and goes to attack the sun, but
• 35:11
  Carol throws herself between them, begging him not to hurt
• 35:14
  the boy. Instead, he tied the two of them together,
• 35:17
  then ransacked the house. He then unties Carol and takes
• 35:21
  her around the house to find her jewelry, and she
• 35:24
  accidentally lets it slip that she has a daughter who
• 35:26
  is staying over to a friend's house. He laughs and
• 35:29
  says maybe I'll wait for her, which is fucking terrifying.
• 35:34
  Carol was a widowed nurse and knew she had to
• 35:36
  keep her cool or she and her son would die.
• 35:39
  She calmly did whatever Richard told her to do, and
• 35:41
  he ended up raping her, then tying her and her
• 35:43
  son up, ransacking the house a bit more, stealing more jewelry,
• 35:47
  taking her again, raping her again, and then finally when
• 35:53
  she asked him, please don't let my son see me
• 35:55
  like this because she was naked, he threw her like
• 35:59
  a robe and then asked her if he was in
• 36:02
  Glendale and then asked her for directions to the freeway,
• 36:06
  which is fucking crazy. So no deaths in this one,
• 36:10
  which is very strange. But also you know, he did
• 36:12
  leave some survivors here and there, and I think he
• 36:15
  just was like sexually frustrated. And I also think that
• 36:18
  she handled the situation in a way that disarmed him,
• 36:22
  so he didn't kill her. Now, meanwhile, the police just
• 36:26
  a few days later are just finding mo Bell and Neddie,
• 36:29
  and this is shocking. Both women were still alive when
• 36:32
  they were found three days after the attack. Had they
• 36:36
  been found sooner, their chances of survival would have probably
• 36:38
  been a lot better. But just thinking about these women
• 36:41
  tied up, brains exposed, hands tied so tightly they were
• 36:45
  turning black. It's fucking terrifying. It's insane that they were
• 36:49
  alive at all. So it's good luck that the women
• 36:53
  were unconscious when they were found. One thing, Neddie did
• 36:57
  rear up in fear when the police tried to move
• 36:59
  her body, but it's believed that that was sort of
• 37:01
  like involuntary both were taken to the hospital, where ma
• 37:06
  who died first, hung on for nearly two months, finally
• 37:10
  succumbing to her injuries on July seventeenth, nineteen eighty five.
• 37:14
  I'm not sure when Neddie died, but I do know
• 37:17
  that she never left that hospital bed. Richard Ramirez fucking sucks.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Just about a week later, in early June, again, we're
• 37:24
  going back to like when these attacks took place, not
• 37:27
  when the women died. Ramirez again when out hunting, but
• 37:30
  this time you made a mistake, though unfortunately not a
• 37:33
  fatal one. He went back to the Pico Rivera area,
• 37:36
  which is not far from many of his other attacks,
• 37:39
  and in fact, is just a block or so from
• 37:41
  the Zazara murders. He found a house shrouded in darkness,
• 37:45
  hidden among trees, and began prying open a window. A
• 37:50
  woman who was asleep on the couch in the living
• 37:52
  room heard the window and called out for her husband,
• 37:56
  asking why are you opening the window. The husband came
• 37:59
  out of their bedroom and said he wasn't and then
• 38:01
  went looking around outside. This man was Officer John Rodriguez,
• 38:08
  an LA Sheriff's deputy. Outside their house, police found an
• 38:12
  eleven and a half shoe size a villa, confirming this
• 38:16
  was their man and he had almost attacked a sheriff
• 38:18
  and his wife. After this, Richard was quiet for a
• 38:21
  few weeks, despite not actually having killed anyone during his
• 38:24
  last outing. Now I don't know if he was quiet
• 38:27
  because he almost got caught, or if he figured out
• 38:30
  it was a cop. I really don't know, however, whatever
• 38:33
  the case, on June twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five, he
• 38:36
  went out again on the prowl and found himself again
• 38:39
  back in Arcadia. He found his way into the home
• 38:42
  of twenty eight year old Patty Higgins, who lived alone
• 38:44
  and was a nice, easygoing woman. He broke in through
• 38:47
  either an open door or window, it's not really clear,
• 38:50
  and raped and sodomized Patty before beating her and nearly
• 38:53
  cutting her head off with a knife he found at
• 38:56
  her own home. This was a very, very brutal scene,
• 39:00
  and what's shocking is that nobody heard a thing while
• 39:02
  it was taking place. While he had taken a little
• 39:04
  time before this attack, he did not wait so long again,
• 39:08
  and on July second, he returned again to Arcadia. He
• 39:12
  ended up near the freeway and yet another stolen car
• 39:14
  and stopped at the home of seventy five year old
• 39:16
  widow Mary Louise Cannon. Mary lived alone and had lived
• 39:21
  in the area her entire life. Richard found an open
• 39:24
  window and crawled in, made his way to Mary's bedroom,
• 39:27
  and smashed her over the head with a milk glass lamp.
• 39:32
  Mary woke up for only a moment, screaming, but was
• 39:34
  quickly knocked out by Richard pounding on her head with
• 39:37
  his fists. He then continued to beat her unconscious body,
• 39:41
  then went into her kitchen, found a knife, and nearly
• 39:43
  cut her head off. He did not assault Mary sexually,
• 39:47
  nor did he use her bathroom or eat her food,
• 39:49
  as he had done in so many of his other attacks.
• 39:52
  For some reason, this didn't interest him. Maybe it was
• 39:54
  her age, you know. Maybe it was because he had
• 39:58
  just had such a sexually violent attack a few days ago,
• 40:01
  a few days before this. I don't really know. Maybe
• 40:05
  it's because he didn't have to break in, because she
• 40:07
  left her doors unlocked, because people who grew up in
• 40:09
  these areas tended to do that. I don't know, you know,
• 40:14
  But regardless, he just left quickly and quietly. Now pretty quickly,
• 40:19
  police began to realize that while Ramirez wasn't any sort
• 40:21
  of organized killer, he did have some similarities between murders,
• 40:25
  not just the shoe for instance. They immediately knew these
• 40:28
  two murders were tied together by the knife wounds and beatings,
• 40:31
  as they were nearly identical for both women. And while
• 40:34
  there was no shoe print at Patty's home, there was
• 40:37
  a one inch portion of a print at Mary's, so
• 40:41
  like his shoe just left a tiny little print, but
• 40:43
  it showed that it was an a via shoe, which
• 40:46
  then tied these two attacks to the many others before them. Now,
• 40:50
  of course, the police were on the TV and radio
• 40:52
  giving updates on this new serial killer and making it
• 40:55
  known they were on the hunt for him, showing his
• 40:57
  composite sketch on TV. But this didn't slow Richard Rameire's
• 41:01
  down one bit. Also, it didn't look enough like him,
• 41:04
  I think, to scare him, so instead it emboldened him
• 41:07
  to keep going, thinking that Satan would be proud of him,
• 41:09
  and that he'd be more famous than Jack the Ripper,
• 41:12
  which he's not. But nice tribro I want to call
• 41:15
  out that at this time his shoeprint was not released
• 41:18
  to the public. As police wanted to keep that information
• 41:20
  private so that he wouldn't change that, you know, didn't
• 41:23
  They didn't want to change anything about his behavior because
• 41:26
  they wanted to track him time to the murders and
• 41:28
  catch him. I do want to say at this point
• 41:30
  in the story, he doesn't have that information. But later
• 41:32
  on the then San Francisco Mayor Dianne Feinstein did in
• 41:37
  fact release this information after he was tied to a
• 41:40
  murder in her city, and this obviously infuriated police because
• 41:44
  it gave him this information. And Richard Ramirez in fact
• 41:48
  did dump his shoes over the Golden gate Bridge the
• 41:51
  same day that he saw the press release. However, at
• 41:54
  this point in our story, he doesn't know about the shoes,
• 41:56
  and actually, by the time she does this, it's pretty
• 41:59
  much near the end of his reign of terror anyway,
• 42:01
  so it really doesn't help him too much. But had
• 42:05
  he not been caught when he was, that would have
• 42:07
  changed a very important part of the evidence. So yeah,
• 42:12
  she's an idiot. I don't like her anyway. Now, three
• 42:16
  nights after the murder of Mary Louise Cannon, Richard drove
• 42:19
  to the city of Sierra Madre, which is a very
• 42:22
  quiet town again kind of near Pasadena, just out passed
• 42:26
  it and there he found the Bennett home. To clarify,
• 42:30
  this was the night of the fourth of July, but
• 42:32
  it was past midnight when this attack occurred, so it
• 42:34
  was technically July fifth, but essentially it's the night of
• 42:38
  fourth of July, which was just a few days ago.
• 42:41
  Because I'm super late getting this out to you guys,
• 42:43
  and I apologize anyway, this area is super safe, but
• 42:47
  like everybody knows about the serial killer on the loose.
• 42:50
  So the family was sure to lock the back door
• 42:52
  after their friends left for the night, but they accidentally
• 42:55
  left their front door unlocked as they rarely used it.
• 43:00
  So their daughter, sixteen year old Whitney Bennett, still hadn't
• 43:02
  come home from her own Fourth of July party, and
• 43:05
  when she did come home, she also did not lock
• 43:07
  the front door and instead just went straight into her
• 43:10
  bedroom to go to bed. And this was just off
• 43:13
  the main entrance to the house. Richard Ramirez just walked
• 43:17
  right into the unlocked house about an hour or so
• 43:19
  after Whitney came home and went first to her room
• 43:22
  and stole some jewelry from her dresser while she slept.
• 43:25
  He then went to her parents' room and decided that
• 43:28
  instead of using his gun, he would beat everyone to
• 43:31
  death with a tire iron, which he grabbed from his
• 43:34
  stolen car. So once again, just a crime of opportunity,
• 43:38
  not of opportunity, but just disorganized. Oh I have a
• 43:41
  tire iron in my car, I'll just use that, right,
• 43:44
  So he came in and decided came back in and
• 43:46
  decided to kill Whitney. First, he was going to stab
• 43:49
  her with a knife, but he couldn't find a good
• 43:51
  one in the house, which again part of being such
• 43:53
  a disorganized killer. So then he's like, Okay, I'm going
• 43:58
  to when I'm done like beating her, I'm going to
• 44:00
  strangle her to death and then I'll rape her dead body. Right,
• 44:04
  this is like his fucked up plan of attack. However,
• 44:08
  as he was strangling Whitney with a telephone cord after
• 44:11
  beating her with the tire iron, he began hallucinating and
• 44:14
  saw first a spark fly from the telephone chord, then
• 44:18
  a blue haze leave her body. He let go of
• 44:21
  the cord and she took a deep breath, and this,
• 44:24
  along with the hallucination, scared him away and he ran
• 44:27
  from the house, thinking that Jesus or God was you know,
• 44:31
  helping her or something, I don't know, fucking crazy. Later
• 44:35
  that morning, just a few hours later, around six am,
• 44:38
  Whitney woke up having no recollection of the attack. She
• 44:43
  had a horrible headache and was covered in blood and
• 44:46
  had no idea why. Police recalled and they found in
• 44:50
  a vashoe print which tied Richard to this attack as well,
• 44:53
  though at this time, obviously you know, they didn't know
• 44:55
  his name. On July seventh, he returned to the area
• 44:58
  where Bill and Lillian Douytle lived, this time entering a
• 45:01
  large home occupied by a sixty one year old divorcee
• 45:04
  named Joyce Nelson. So he did this attack against Whitney
• 45:08
  on July fifth, got freaked out, scared off, ran away,
• 45:12
  but it really didn't deter him in the end, because
• 45:14
  here he is already coming back. So Joyce was strong
• 45:18
  willed and tough, but not a large woman and didn't
• 45:20
  have any guns in her home, so she was definitely vulnerable.
• 45:25
  Richard entered her home through an unlocked window and attacked Joyce,
• 45:28
  who resisted him so much he became infuriated and instead
• 45:33
  of raping her or whatever, he planned to do. He
• 45:35
  simply beat her to death right there in her living room,
• 45:38
  leaving a footprint on her face. It's fucking brutal. He
• 45:43
  was this man's truly fucking evil. That same night, because
• 45:47
  he hadn't been able to sexually assault Joyce, he was
• 45:49
  still on the prowl and at three am on July eighth,
• 45:52
  ended up in Monterey Park, where he entered the home
• 45:55
  of sixty three year old Sophie Dickman. She was a
• 45:58
  psychiatric nurse, and I belie leave her experience in this
• 46:02
  role is what helped her to survive this attack. He
• 46:05
  broke into her home, beat her, demanded her jewelry, and
• 46:09
  attempted to rape her, but could not get an erection. Finally,
• 46:15
  after handcuffing her to her bed, he left, saying that
• 46:18
  if she screamed, he'd come back and kill her. So
• 46:22
  he breaks into one woman's home with the intent of
• 46:25
  raping her, can't do it, beats her to death because
• 46:28
  he's so pissed at her resisting him, goes to this
• 46:31
  other home. The woman doesn't resist him, so he rapes
• 46:34
  her and then doesn't kill her. So it really does
• 46:37
  seem that the people who cooperate in a way. At
• 46:40
  least the women don't necessarily end up dead, but sometimes
• 46:45
  they do. It's very random, it's very disorganized, which is
• 46:48
  fucking terrifying. Now, around this time, things got really crazy
• 46:52
  with the media, and this is what a lot of
• 46:54
  the people in my life remember. Nobody knew who this
• 46:56
  person was, obviously at this point, but everybody was terrified.
• 47:00
  Like I said, my friend slept with a knife under
• 47:02
  his mattress, and citywide gun sales, security dogs, locks, fences
• 47:07
  were all being bought at record speed by everyone living
• 47:10
  from La all the way down to San Diego. It
• 47:13
  was a very scary time. And also having Frank Sealerno
• 47:19
  on the case made it even more scary for the
• 47:21
  public because everybody knew him from the Hillside strangler case. Like,
• 47:24
  why bring in the big guns unless there's a very
• 47:27
  real threat. So around this time it was chaos, and
• 47:30
  you know, as the public always wants to get involved,
• 47:32
  so police were getting endless calls, letters, all these tips,
• 47:35
  you know. Whatever that being said, some of these leads
• 47:38
  were actually helpful, as a few people had seen Richard
• 47:41
  while he was out on the prowl, and many sketches
• 47:44
  and descriptions helped to create a very real idea of
• 47:47
  what he looked like, which people, of course released on
• 47:50
  TV in case anybody knew who he was. Also, this
• 47:53
  actually got more police departments involved as well, which led
• 47:56
  to a pretty big break in the case. Like I said,
• 47:59
  as we all know, these departments do not like working
• 48:01
  together because they are run by a bunch of old
• 48:03
  ass children with fragile, fucking egos who would rather let
• 48:06
  people die than swallow their pride. But luckily this time around,
• 48:09
  a cop who had accidentally pulled Richard over while he
• 48:12
  was in a stolen car then let him get away
• 48:14
  on foot, had kept the car and paid attention to
• 48:18
  what was going on and called in Salerno and his
• 48:21
  partner Gil Courrio to investigate. Inside they found a dental
• 48:26
  office appointment card with a date and time on it.
• 48:29
  They also found six phone numbers in the little black
• 48:31
  book inside a wallet that was left in the car.
• 48:35
  So these are very big details. They're not sure if
• 48:38
  they belonged to the person whose car was stolen, if
• 48:40
  they belonged to the person who stole the car, but
• 48:43
  this is good stuff to follow up on. Call the
• 48:45
  phone numbers figure out who they belonged to go visit
• 48:48
  the dentist right, and as we all know, the dentist
• 48:50
  is definitely Richard's because he got fucked up teeth. Meanwhile, however,
• 48:55
  Richard did not stop nor even slow down his killing spree.
• 48:59
  On July twenty, he bought a machete from a downtown
• 49:01
  knife store and that night drove to Glendale and found
• 49:04
  the home of Maxon and Leela Kneading, a couple again
• 49:08
  in their late sixties. As the couple were sleeping in
• 49:11
  their bed, Richard broke into their home, burst into their bedroom,
• 49:14
  and hacked at them both with the machete. When that
• 49:17
  didn't kill them, which is fucking horrifying, he shot them
• 49:20
  with his gun while they pleaded for their lives, then
• 49:24
  ransacked their home, and then left. As we now know,
• 49:28
  if he doesn't rape someone during an attack, he will
• 49:30
  likely attack again that same night, and this night was
• 49:32
  no different from the rest. He then drove to Sun Valley,
• 49:35
  which is like two miles from me, by the way,
• 49:38
  and broke into the Covenant House. Sorry if I said
• 49:42
  that wrong. He found thirty two year old some kid
• 49:44
  Kovanov Covenanth sleeping on the couch and said his famous line,
• 49:50
  shut up bitch or I'll kill you. Then went and
• 49:52
  found her two children who were sleeping, and then her husband, Chanerong.
• 49:58
  He shot Channerong in the head while he was still asleep,
• 50:00
  killing him instantly. He then tied up some kid, raped her, repeatedly,
• 50:07
  tied up her eight year old son when he woke up,
• 50:09
  raped her some more, ransacked their home, and then left. Now,
• 50:14
  while he does this the ransacking, ransacking of the home,
• 50:16
  oftentimes he makes the woman go with him and he
• 50:19
  like beats her and slaps her while demanding things. And
• 50:22
  if they don't have enough jewelry because they don't have
• 50:24
  enough money, he'll beat her more. Sometimes he ends up
• 50:27
  killing them as a result, as we've talked about. Even
• 50:29
  like one of his very first murders was because he
• 50:32
  couldn't find anything good in the house and he was pissed,
• 50:34
  so he murdered the woman while she slept in her bed,
• 50:36
  you know. So it's a very terrifying, very brutal, very
• 50:40
  violent attack all the way through. Fortunately he did leave,
• 50:46
  he had only killed Channerong, and when police arrived they
• 50:50
  found a via footprints at the scene. There were no
• 50:53
  prints at the kneading murders, but it was still tied
• 50:55
  to Richard because of the back door break in, the
• 50:57
  viciousness of the attack and the ransacking of the home. Also,
• 51:01
  it happened in the same night, which is another one
• 51:03
  of the things that they notice. There will be two
• 51:05
  attacks in a row, so police are starting to kind
• 51:09
  of find these patterns, even to a very disorganized killer.
• 51:12
  But they still haven't found anything to figure out who
• 51:16
  the fuck this is. And on August sixth, nineteen eighty five,
• 51:19
  Richard attacked a couple in their Northridge home. Chris and
• 51:23
  Virginia Peterson were a young, married couple with a five
• 51:26
  year old daughter. They knew about the break ends, but
• 51:29
  they felt they lived far enough away not to worry
• 51:31
  too much because Northridge is way up in the other direction.
• 51:34
  It's like on the way out of La like up
• 51:38
  the Five, like towards Sacramento. They still locked their doors,
• 51:41
  of course, but they slept pretty soundly, like they weren't
• 51:43
  really worried, and honestly, it doesn't make sense this is
• 51:46
  such a random attack. But that night, on August sixth,
• 51:50
  Richard snuck into their home and went directly into their room.
• 51:54
  He cocked his gun as he entered the bedroom and
• 51:56
  This woke up Virginia, as she was a really light sleeper,
• 51:59
  and she immediately began demanding he tell her why he
• 52:02
  was there. Instead, he shot her just under her left
• 52:07
  eye at point blank range. Chris was awake by now
• 52:12
  and heard Virginia say I think he shot me with
• 52:14
  a stun gun, which was crazy. She was able to
• 52:17
  talk or move or you know, not be dead. He
• 52:20
  then shot Chris three times in the head, knocking him down. Now,
• 52:25
  this also didn't kill or even really stop Chris from
• 52:27
  fighting back, Probably thinking about their young daughter, who was
• 52:30
  now awake and crying, Richard shot them both again, or
• 52:34
  shot at them both again, missing repeatedly until his gun
• 52:38
  was empty. It was then that Chris pounced and the
• 52:41
  two began fighting. Now Chris was obviously like very injured,
• 52:45
  so Richard was able to throw him off and he
• 52:48
  ran out the door because he's a fucking bitch. He
• 52:50
  thought about going back in to kill them both with
• 52:52
  a reloaded gun, but he assumed the police were already
• 52:55
  on their way, so he took off and yet another
• 52:57
  stolen Toyota. Both survived the attack. Both Chris and Martina
• 53:03
  survived the attack, which I love to be able to say,
• 53:06
  and it's thought that they survived because Richard's amma was
• 53:08
  old and the gunpowder didn't work well. And hey, whatever
• 53:12
  it takes, man, I'm just glad. Richard continued his reign
• 53:16
  of terror on the night of August eighth, nineteen eighty five,
• 53:19
  when he went all the way out to Diamond Bar,
• 53:21
  which again is pretty far from where he'd been hunting,
• 53:22
  but at least more on that side of the city,
• 53:25
  and terrorized the Abilath family. Thirty one year old I
• 53:29
  think it's el Elvis Abilath and his twenty seven year
• 53:34
  old wife, Seqina were very happily married with two small children,
• 53:37
  aged three and the other only ten weeks old. Richard
• 53:42
  slipped in through their black, black backsliding glass door, shot
• 53:46
  and killed Elvis in their shared bed, then tortured and
• 53:49
  raped Sakina repeatedly while beating her and demanding money and jewelry.
• 53:54
  He also did this while her dead husband's body was
• 53:57
  in the same bed. However, he lied to her and
• 54:01
  told her he hadn't killed her husband, which is one
• 54:03
  more layer of cruelty to her. After he raped her
• 54:07
  tied up her three year old, He then left them
• 54:10
  both in the room with her dead husband's body, ate
• 54:12
  food from their fridge, then left in a car he
• 54:15
  had brazenly parked in their fucking driveway. He was so
• 54:18
  confident nobody would notice. Police immediately knew this was a
• 54:22
  serial killer, as he sodomized Saina as he had done
• 54:25
  to most of his other survivors, and had made her
• 54:28
  swear to Satan, which was also becoming part of his emma.
• 54:32
  At this time, the police offered what was then a
• 54:35
  huge reward for any information about Richard, and of course
• 54:39
  this worked as all of his scumbag buddies were ready
• 54:42
  to sell him out. One of these scumbag buddies his
• 54:45
  quote unquote friend, Jesse Perez, a total piece of shit
• 54:49
  hustler who lived on the streets. He had a friend
• 54:52
  he knew as Rick, who fit the killer's description a
• 54:54
  little too well. He decided to reach out to police,
• 54:57
  but Richard was smart and knew he was about to
• 54:59
  get caught, so he skipped town, going up to the
• 55:01
  Bay Area to terrorize its residents. So Jesse is reaching
• 55:06
  out to the police. They've released sketches, They've explained, Oh,
• 55:09
  he's a Satanist. He makes people swear to Satan. He
• 55:13
  does all these other things, and people are starting to
• 55:16
  realize who the fuck this is, and Richard's starting to
• 55:18
  realize that he's going to get caught, so he bails out,
• 55:21
  and meanwhile, you know, Jesse is singing like a canary. Right. So,
• 55:29
  on August eighteenth, after assaulting a random woman in the
• 55:33
  Tenderloin district of San Francisco, because he goes up to
• 55:35
  the Bay Area to stay with his friends and terrorize
• 55:38
  those residents. So after assaulting her just randomly, she's like
• 55:41
  on the street and he just like beats her to
• 55:43
  the ground. He entered the home of Peter and Barbara Pan,
• 55:47
  another couple of sixty somethings who had come from Taiwan
• 55:50
  and made a wonderful life for themselves. He did his
• 55:53
  normal bullshit, shot Peter while he slept, killing him instantly,
• 55:57
  then sexually assaulted Barbara. This time, however, Barbara did not comply.
• 56:03
  She thought back fiercely, which as always upset Richard, so
• 56:08
  he also shot her in the head, then ransacked the
• 56:11
  house and wrote Jack the Knife on the wall along
• 56:14
  with a pentagram in her lipstick. Jack the Knife is
• 56:17
  a song. You can look it up. It's really fucking gnarly.
• 56:20
  The Pan's son found them the next day, and luckily
• 56:22
  Barbara survived her injuries very sadly Peter did not, and
• 56:27
  very quickly the attack was linked to all the others,
• 56:30
  both by shoe prints and also ballistic evidence. It was
• 56:33
  after this murder that Diane Feinstein, who like I said,
• 56:36
  as an idiot in general, gave away all of the
• 56:39
  police evidence, which again was infuriating to detectives. Again, this
• 56:44
  tipped off Richard, who changed his shoes and got rid
• 56:46
  of the gun and AMMO so it would be harder
• 56:48
  to track him. Thanks Diane. Richard then returned to LA
• 56:54
  since police knew he was in the Bay area, so
• 56:57
  he figured he'd get out of Dodge on August twenty four.
• 57:00
  So it's all happening very quickly. As a note, you know,
• 57:03
  San Francisco is about five hours from LA if you
• 57:05
  drive like I do anyway, so it's really easy to
• 57:08
  go back and forth. So anyway, it's August twenty fourth.
• 57:10
  He just I mean, he was just up there murdering people,
• 57:13
  and Richard realizes he needs to stay out of the
• 57:15
  LA area for a bit, so instead he goes down
• 57:18
  to Orange County, down to Mission Viejo. At first, he
• 57:22
  came upon the Romero residence and planned to attack them. However,
• 57:27
  thirteen year old James Romero the third was awake and
• 57:30
  went into the family garage to find a pillow, as
• 57:32
  they had just come home from vacation and some of
• 57:34
  their things were still in their car. While in the garage,
• 57:37
  he saw Richard Ramirez attempting to break into his house,
• 57:40
  which is fucking terrifying. He woke up his parents, who
• 57:43
  quickly called the police, and he also got a good
• 57:45
  look not only at Richard, but at his stolen car,
• 57:48
  including the license plate. Richard fled but was undeterred and
• 57:53
  continued to search for victims in the area. Now Mission
• 57:56
  Viejo now I think is like a lot nicer, but
• 57:58
  at the time it was very working class. It was
• 58:00
  good families. It was like very like Chill, but it
• 58:03
  was definitely a more working class area. So he comes
• 58:07
  upon the home of Bill Bill Bill Carnes and his
• 58:11
  fiance enez Erickson, and he snuck inside. He did his
• 58:16
  normal routine, first shooting Bill in the head, then attacking Yenez,
• 58:20
  raping her, sodomizing her, making her swear on Satan, and
• 58:23
  beating her while ransacking the home. He then left and
• 58:27
  drove the stolen car back to LA before abandoning it.
• 58:30
  Before he did, he wiped it for Prince. Now, normally
• 58:33
  he was really careful and kept gloves on while driving
• 58:36
  and while attacking people, but it was so hot out
• 58:39
  this night that he took them out to drive, or
• 58:42
  took them out took them off because he was his
• 58:45
  hands were sweating. I guess, I don't know. Gross. He
• 58:47
  wiped down the car then just kind of left it somewhere. Meanwhile,
• 58:51
  police are already at both homes in Mission Viejo, collecting
• 58:55
  evidence from both scenes and speaking with the young James,
• 58:58
  who gave them all the information he had, including the
• 59:00
  description and license plate of the Toyota Richard had been driving.
• 59:05
  Richard continued to scumbag around LA, but didn't make any
• 59:08
  further attacks for the next few days, and while he
• 59:10
  was laying low, police were working hard. First, they were
• 59:15
  speaking with his friend Jesse, who told them Rick as
• 59:17
  he knew him, was dressed, was obsessed with Satan, bragged
• 59:21
  about killing people, made his living as a burglar, and
• 59:24
  liked to hang around the Greyhound station in downtown LA.
• 59:29
  He also said that he loved heavy metal, which is important.
• 59:34
  Up in San Francisco, police released photos of the jewelry
• 59:37
  taken from the pan murder, and Richard's friend, Donna, who
• 59:40
  I mentioned back I think in the first episode, immediately
• 59:43
  recognized some of the jewelry as items Richard had gifted
• 59:46
  to her the last time he was in town, which
• 59:49
  of course was also when this murder slash robbery took place.
• 59:53
  Donna's son, Earl, called into police and told them all
• 59:56
  about Rick, but unfortunately didn't know his last name. He
• 1:00:01
  also mentioned his love of hetty heavy metal, which tracked
• 1:00:06
  with the ACDC hat left at the scene of Dale's murder.
• 1:00:10
  Now remember Dale's murder was one of his very first ones,
• 1:00:13
  and he accidentally left the ACDC hat. So now they've
• 1:00:16
  got even more stuff connecting all of these crimes, but
• 1:00:20
  also connecting this guy Rick to these crimes. They've got
• 1:00:24
  people in San Francisco and LA giving the same evidence
• 1:00:28
  about this guy, same murder, same information. Donna was interviewed
• 1:00:34
  and told police to talk to another guy named Armando
• 1:00:37
  because she said she didn't know Rick's last name, which
• 1:00:39
  is really interesting because they met him in El Paso
• 1:00:42
  and he's like living with them and staying at their house.
• 1:00:44
  But they don't know his last name. I feel like
• 1:00:46
  they just didn't want to talk. But she says, go
• 1:00:48
  talk to this guy named Armando. Armando was another scumbag.
• 1:00:52
  He was like a fence, you know, he'd sell stuff
• 1:00:54
  for Richard or whatever. But after a little bit of
• 1:00:56
  pressing by police, essentially them like threatening to fucking arrest him,
• 1:01:00
  Armando gave up Richard's last name and police finally knew
• 1:01:04
  who they were looking for. Richard Ramirez from El Paso, Texas,
• 1:01:08
  in his mid twenties, obsessed with Satan, loved heavy metal,
• 1:01:12
  and had stolen items from a murder scene. Now they
• 1:01:16
  had the name Richard Ramirez, but there were quite a
• 1:01:19
  few Richard ramirez Is out there. It's not the most
• 1:01:22
  uncommon name around, you know. So they were still trying
• 1:01:24
  to figure out which Richard they needed to arrest. Luckily,
• 1:01:28
  police were able to find that stolen toyota James Romeiro
• 1:01:31
  the Third had told him about it had been abandoned
• 1:01:34
  in Koreatown, and found one single fingerprint that Richard had
• 1:01:38
  failed to wipe away. They then sent that fingerprint to
• 1:01:43
  Sacramento's crime lab, who were able to use a sort
• 1:01:45
  of pre codis codis to match that print to the
• 1:01:49
  correct Richard Ramirez. They showed the mugshot to Jesse, who
• 1:01:52
  confirmed that was the man he was talking about, and
• 1:01:55
  that was that. Now they just had to find him. Richard,
• 1:02:02
  though he knew police were closing in, honestly had no
• 1:02:04
  idea His photo was being circulated all over the news,
• 1:02:08
  on the streets, in newspapers, basically everywhere. He decided now
• 1:02:12
  was a good time to take a trip out of town,
• 1:02:14
  and he went to the bus station and got on
• 1:02:16
  a bus to Tucson to visit his older brother. While
• 1:02:19
  sitting in the station waiting for his brother to answer
• 1:02:21
  his phone the station in Tucson, he noticed a bunch
• 1:02:24
  of plane closed cops walking around. He noticed they were
• 1:02:27
  all looking for buses coming in from LA, which meant
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  he had beat them to Tucson. Somehow, they all knew this.
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  Richard Ramirez had a brother. They figured he might go
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  see him, and man, they were right. Unfortunately, they didn't
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  catch him at the station. He got back on a
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  bus going to LA and barely escaped the police. Likewise,
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  police weren't looking for buses coming into LA only going out,
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  so Once he got back to La, he was able
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  to get off the bus and go into the city
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  without the cops noticing. That. Being said, people were starting
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  to recognize him on the street, and that scared him.
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  Two women called him el matador as he passed them,
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  which meant the murderer, and a new stand owner in
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  downtown saw Richard pick up a paper with his own
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  face on it and called police immediately. Richard fled, running
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  to a bus and riding it away from downtown towards
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  East La. People on the bus also recognized him, so
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  he jumped out of the bus and began running on foot,
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  jumping fences and running through people's yards. He ended up
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  on Hubbard Street in East La, a street full of
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  hard working, blue collar families, mostly Mexican at the time
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  and still that way today. He was being followed already
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  by people from the neighborhood and continued to try to run.
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  He ended up in the front yard of Fostino Pignon,
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  who was working on his daughter's Mustang. It was up
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  on blocks in the yard, but running. Richard saw the
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  car and didn't see anyone around, so hopped in and
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  tried to put it in gear. Fastino had become out
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  of his house at just that moment with another tool
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  to work on the car and saw Richard. Faustino stopped
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  Richard from taking his car, but he quickly escaped the
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  man's yard and found Angela de la Torre getting into
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  her car just up the street. He demanded she give
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  him her keys, and she said no, which I fucking love,
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  like she's not fucking around. He then punched her in
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  the stomach because of course he did, and grabbed the
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  keys her friend, Lordis, was actually already in her car,
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  and went running for Angela's husband, who came from the
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  back of the house with a large metal pipe in
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  his hand. Men from the house across the street, who
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  had been out in their yard also came running and
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  surrounded the car. Angela's husband hit Richard over the head
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  of the pipe, and Richard ran from the car an
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  up Hubbard Street, with more and more neighbors coming out
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  of their house with pipes and bats chasing him, ready
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  to fight. Angela's husband and a few of the other
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  men caught up to Richard and hit him over the
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  head again and again, bringing him to the ground. I
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  love that this is what happened, and I that he
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  felt just a tiny bit of what he did to
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  all of those other people. Now, there are many stories
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  of the entire neighborhood beating him while he lay on
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  the ground, but and they did to a point, but
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  he wasn't beaten so badly that he was like unconscious
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  or dead, so it really wasn't as bad as they
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  try to make it sound. Mostly what they did is
• 1:05:17
  they kept him surrounded until the police came, at which
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  point he admitted to who he was and asked for help,
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  which is fucking ironic as fuck. He was then treated
• 1:05:26
  for multiple large wounds on his head and promptly arrested,
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  and that was the official end of the reign of
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  terror of Richard fucking Ramirez. I'm not going to go
• 1:05:37
  into the details of the trials. That's a bit boring
• 1:05:39
  to me, and this is already pretty hefty for a
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  part two, but I will say that there are still
• 1:05:43
  a ton of people out there who, despite ballistic eyewitness
• 1:05:46
  and even DNA evidence, believe Richard Ramirez is innocent of
• 1:05:49
  all of these crimes, which is straight up fucking idiotic. Now,
• 1:05:53
  a big part of this is because he was good looking,
• 1:05:55
  and when in prison, he got his teeth fixed, so
• 1:05:57
  women with serious issues became obsessed with him, and he
• 1:06:00
  even married. After being found guilty of thirteen counts of murder,
• 1:06:04
  among many other crimes, his trial began in July of
• 1:06:07
  nineteen eighty eight and lasted over a year. Now, one
• 1:06:11
  of the reasons for the length of the trial was
• 1:06:13
  that one juror was murdered during the trial, but it
• 1:06:16
  wasn't related to Richard, it was just totally random. In
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  September nineteen eighty nine, a year and what two months
• 1:06:23
  after the trial began, he was found guilty on forty
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  three charges, including the thirteen murder charges, five attempted murder,
• 1:06:30
  burglary charges, and much much more. Now he was in
• 1:06:34
  prison from that moment on, and in nineteen ninety six
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  he married one of his fucking groupies, Doreen Leoi. She
• 1:06:41
  used to say that when he died, she would kill
• 1:06:43
  herself because he was sentenced to death, but by twenty
• 1:06:46
  thirteen the two were no longer even together, which is
• 1:06:49
  fucking shocking. So he was given the death penalty, like
• 1:06:53
  I said, which comes with automatic appeals, but all of
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  them were denied. However, he remained in jail until his death.
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  From B cell lymphoma, which is not surprising giving all,
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  given all we know about, like his childhood and how
• 1:07:05
  he grew up in all the toxins and all that
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  he was fifty three year years old when he died. God,
• 1:07:10
  I cannot fucking speak. I apologize. One thing I wanted
• 1:07:13
  to call out that I found really weird, and even
• 1:07:14
  more so now that I've read his niece's book, is
• 1:07:17
  that when he was sentenced to death, he said, quote
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  big deal, death always went with the territory, see you
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  in Disneyland, which I found really strange the first time
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  I heard it, but now maybe I'm thinking it was
• 1:07:27
  a callback to a time he was actually happy, you know,
• 1:07:30
  because his niece talks about how they went to Disneyland.
• 1:07:33
  So I don't know who knows and who cares. Really, like,
• 1:07:36
  fuck this loser. I'm glad he's dead. I'm glad he
• 1:07:38
  died young, and I hope it fucking hurt. So that's it.
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  Monster of a case. Sorry for the delay, guys. It
• 1:07:44
  was a pain in the ass. It's always a pain
• 1:07:46
  in the ass. But I love what I do. I
• 1:07:47
  love doing this. I wish I could just do this
• 1:07:49
  all day, just podcast, just research and podcasts, but life
• 1:07:52
  gets in the way. I apologize for the weight. I'm
• 1:07:54
  going to play the Richard Ramirez song at the end
• 1:07:56
  of this episode instead of my outro, so thanks for listening.
• 1:08:00
  I have quite a few other cases I'm gonna do.
• 1:08:02
  I'm gonna do the Heart Family murders. If y'all know
• 1:08:04
  that one, it's pretty fucked up. I have a couple more.
• 1:08:07
  We'll obviously do the Hillside Strangler at some point, so
• 1:08:10
  we'll just have to wait and see what comes up next.
• 1:08:12
  But thank you guys so much for tuning in. Please like, rate, review,
• 1:08:15
  share with your friends and family, and I'll see yea
• 1:08:18
  when I see yea. And until then, stay safe. And
• 1:09:00
  he knows how to get in.
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  Speaker 2: And just because he never.
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  Speaker 4: Heard of him doesn't mean you can't be a bi
• 1:09:14
  Come on, he comes him right for the night. No
• 1:09:16
  about to rise for the sick here long out, I mean, wait,
• 1:09:22
  just go around around up with a coming him abode
• 1:09:28
  what wing here around that shout where you him? He
• 1:09:43
  can call him a rapist, you can call him. You
• 1:09:53
  can call him someone who knows a good ac DC song.
• 1:10:00
  Any years come there right in the night, come with
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  a rush with a stout, sleep light, A second off
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  you him, I tell that I w tell me a
• 1:10:10
  funny or the man.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I got not the last.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: I'm a bustling at home showing the hard. I'm trunk
• 1:10:18
  all that. I'm right, Joe, help you's a human. I
• 1:10:25
  can see you, I can feel you. I'm gonna have you.
• 1:10:28
  Since I can't feed you, I can see you, I
• 1:10:31
  can feel you. I'm gonna help you. Since I can
• 1:10:34
  be you, i can see you, I can feel you
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  out a life, no let up to have him came
• 1:10:39
  out then rights in the night, come out to life
• 1:10:42
  the sun, sleep tight, it's a second fuck, your hand
• 1:10:45
  on your lap, coming like to me the money coming that.
• 1:10:48
  I'm like, yeah, I got every home showing in the money.
• 1:10:53
  I's talking. Then I'm ruining all that.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Ye right, you shot yet or more of these big
• 1:11:01
  coedian but not merely neurotic, but are actually borderline psychotic.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: She baby waits under your face.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And he's got a big shiny glave. You can't see
• 1:11:27
  wes you jock see.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Is what that shinty your hair run in your name,
• 1:11:32
  messing your your and then such a set off in
• 1:11:41
  their out. I mean, oh, ever twounds walk all that
• 1:11:52
  job working on that shock.
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  Speaker 1: Number one side.
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  Speaker 4: So with the house you can get nosy