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Pastors' Perspective-10/27/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and uh welcome to Pastor's perspective on this
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Uh, this is not Brian Perez because Brian
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  Speaker 1: Perez just bolted out the door and said, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: right back. So,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he was planning to get back quicker than he
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  Speaker 1: actually did, but he did just step back in the room.
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  Speaker 1: So I am going to allow him to take the wheel,
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  Speaker 1: you're from here. But yes, it's been good to just
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  Speaker 1: say hi to everybody. And I, I do want to
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  Speaker 1: mention that Phil Metzger is right here with us through
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  Speaker 1: modern technology and Zoom or Teams or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And we're just.
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  Speaker 2: No,
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  Speaker 1: we're, we're gonna have, we're gonna have a fun day, right?
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  Speaker 1: We are,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, for a whole hour.
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  Speaker 1: Why did you leave?
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  Speaker 2: Because I forgot my Facebook question, you know, the questions
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  Speaker 2: that people submit online, which is an option. They can
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  Speaker 2: go to Facebook Messenger and or DM us on
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  Speaker 2: Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: To know though that you have such a, a great
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  Speaker 1: teammate that you can just say yes I'm a great backup. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm
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  Speaker 2: out
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  Speaker 2: on a moment's notice. I could have just left for
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  Speaker 2: the day and just, OK, Brian, Brian's where would you
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  Speaker 2: be without Brian right now? Where would you be without
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  Speaker 1: without? Hey, we are the Brian's, you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's a two in one
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  Speaker 1: thing.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. So what's the phone number, Brian Broderson,
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  Speaker 2: without looking at
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  Speaker 2: the wall?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, 888-564-6173. I mean, you know, Ed always used to
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  Speaker 1: brag like he could, you know, like he knew that,
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  Speaker 1: but he was always looking at the wall. And then
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  Speaker 1: when he wasn't in the studio, you, you asked him
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  Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, Hey, Ed, give up the number,
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  Speaker 1: and he just panicked. He was totally flustered.
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  Speaker 1: I gave that number out so many times over so
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  Speaker 1: many years that uh I wake up in the morning
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  Speaker 1: saying 888-564-6173. That's how I begin my prayer in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a devotion and the K-wave phone number. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So, we do have Brian and Phil here today to
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  Speaker 2: answer the questions that you guys have. So what kind
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  Speaker 2: of questions do you have? Call in. We'd love to
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  Speaker 2: hear from you at 888-564-6173. You can also watch us online, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: Phil Metzger, you guys doing anything for, uh, October 31st?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're, it looks like we're about to get
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  Speaker 2: rained out. We normally do an outdoor kind of a, um,
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  Speaker 2: trunk or treat slash skating night slash food and bouncy houses,
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  Speaker 2: the whole deal, but it looks like it's gonna, um,
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  Speaker 2: rain down here pretty good. So we're, we're kind of
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  Speaker 2: moving indoors. We're still gonna have it 5 to 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Calvery San Diego.
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  Speaker 2: And we, you know, recently renovated our sanctuary, so it's
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  Speaker 2: a nice big open floor. We're gonna bring everything that
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  Speaker 2: was outside, inside, and, um, it should be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun, you
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  Speaker 1: know, Phil, are you guys having the tide issue down
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  Speaker 1: there where you've got, um, you've got water coming up
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  Speaker 1: and covering the
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  Speaker 1: streets?
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  Speaker 2: Most of our coast had the same, same flooding kind
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  Speaker 2: of things you guys did up there, yeah, Mission Beach
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  Speaker 2: and
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  Speaker 2: Uh, had pretty terrible flooding, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I, I saw a bunch of that yesterday on, um, Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, what I mean, is this really happening?
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  Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is I, I called the Huntington
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  Speaker 1: Beach surf report and they just gave me the surf
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  Speaker 1: report and basically said nothing about it. So I thought,
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  Speaker 1: is this real? But then I saw um.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a warning, you know, one of those alert
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  Speaker 1: things come through on the phone today that said PCH
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  Speaker 1: and Warner were shut down because of, uh, flooding. So,
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  Speaker 1: so it is really happening and apparently Warner, wow, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: apparently what it is, um, because, you know, they say
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  Speaker 1: these king tide, 6 ft tides, a 6 ft tide
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  Speaker 1: is a normal, I mean they're high, but they're, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they've always been.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, but apparently it's this, there's, you know, because of the, um,
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  Speaker 1: El Nino and there's some other factor there that's causing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these surges of, um.
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  Speaker 1: It's not big surf necessarily. It's just, you know, surges
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  Speaker 1: bringing the water much further in than it would normally come,
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  Speaker 2: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And what about the Kelvin waves?
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  Speaker 1: That's what
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  Speaker 2: it
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  Speaker 1: is,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah. Got those to contend with too, but you
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  Speaker 2: still want to get out on the water. I know
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  Speaker 2: you do as a former
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  Speaker 1: surfer. Well, you know, I'm not a Calvinist, so I,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if I could actually boom boom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh
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  Speaker 2: man.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't surfed in so long, it's not even funny.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a joke. People ask me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm a surfer. I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: Let me show you a picture from many years ago
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  Speaker 1: just to prove that I actually could surf at one
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  Speaker 1: time in my life, but.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. At least you got documentation.
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  Speaker 1: Documentation, yeah, it's important.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's begin with a question that was submitted
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  Speaker 2: online through the pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. Zaida
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  Speaker 2: wrote in a couple of days ago, I went across
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  Speaker 2: a reel on Instagram, and this lady was saying that
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  Speaker 2: the FDA.
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  Speaker 2: had approved food with the halal seal, which means that
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  Speaker 2: in any time during the process of making that food,
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  Speaker 2: a Muslim person offered it to its idols, or at
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  Speaker 2: least that's what I understood. I want to know if
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  Speaker 2: you know anything about that symbol on some food products,
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  Speaker 2: and if we as Christians should consume food with the
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  Speaker 2: halal label. Thank you so much for taking the time
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  Speaker 2: to answer my question, and uh this is Aida in Fontana.
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  Speaker 2: So Phil,
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  Speaker 2: What do you know about halal?
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  Speaker 2: Well, as I understand, um, I don't know a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I'll start there. Uh, how's that? Uh, but as I understand,
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  Speaker 2: that's just a way of, um, expressing that it was
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  Speaker 2: prepared and handled in a way that would be what
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  Speaker 2: we would call kosher, right? Kosher, referring to food that, that,
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  Speaker 2: that a Jewish person would eat that would have, that
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  Speaker 2: would be acceptable according to their standards, right? We use
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  Speaker 2: the word kosher pretty much in, in our regular, you know,
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  Speaker 2: vocabulary now.
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  Speaker 2: Um, but that would be referring to food offered that, that,
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  Speaker 2: that a Jewish person would say is acceptable. Halal would
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  Speaker 2: be what it would be considered for a Muslim person,
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  Speaker 2: but I, I don't believe that means it was offered.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, there's no idolatry involved in that. It
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  Speaker 2: just simply means it's food that like is, it passes
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  Speaker 2: their criteria, that's it. So, if it's halal and you
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  Speaker 2: like meat, then it's probably great, great tasting.
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  Speaker 1: Brian. No, that's, that's exactly what I would have said. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, especially the part about idols. No, it's,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Islam is very, um,
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  Speaker 1: You know, antagonistic toward idols in, in one sense, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, rigidly monotheistic with Allah. And so to think
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  Speaker 1: that it would be offered to idols, I think is
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  Speaker 1: a is a mistaken notion. And I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: perfect comparison, Phil, is kosher food is basically food that
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  Speaker 1: has been approved by a rabbinate, uh, which are the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Jewish religious leaders.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think you've got the same thing with
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  Speaker 1: the um halal food.
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  Speaker 2: So this is just one of those examples of people
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  Speaker 2: posting allegedly we haven't seen this video that Zaida came across,
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  Speaker 2: but just people posting this stuff that's supposed to make
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  Speaker 2: Christians just freak out and say, see, this is what
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  Speaker 2: the FDA is doing. They're allowing this in the US now.
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot of stuff that the US is allowing,
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  Speaker 2: but you know this, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you
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  Speaker 1: know, the, the, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think it could be a
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  Speaker 1: Um, it's just an exaggerated situation, you know, they're, they're accommodating,
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  Speaker 1: they're not imposing this on the general population. This is
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  Speaker 1: something they do within their context. So I think that's
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  Speaker 1: understandable and, you know, it's fine. Uh, there, there's a
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  Speaker 1: big blow up in the UK, uh, over, um.
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  Speaker 1: This whole issue of halal, um, food and meat, uh,
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  Speaker 1: because a particular man who I think was a Sikhkh, uh,
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  Speaker 1: had a, you know, has a, has a restaurant, and
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  Speaker 1: he refused to prepare halal food and so they rioted and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, beat him up and all, all the nice
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  Speaker 1: things that tolerant, yeah, they, they normally do, but
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  Speaker 1: Um, but, but again, that was because they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to impose it like, you know, you, you better make
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  Speaker 1: this food or we're gonna make your life miserable. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that does happen, but that's not what's happening
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  Speaker 1: here and, and I've not even, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if that's true if the, if, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine it's true just because it's not a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing, but.
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  Speaker 2: If the government
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I was gonna say the amount of videos that
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  Speaker 2: are out there that are like they only exist to
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  Speaker 2: get you to watch it long enough so that they
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  Speaker 2: feed their own marketing system is like unreal. It's just unreal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean like you don't even have to say not
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  Speaker 2: one word that you use has to be true anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the whole thing can be a lie and hey.
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  Speaker 2: They'll even take everybody yelling at them. That's a lie.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lie. That's a lie. Hey, good, keep on
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  Speaker 2: bringing it. Just keep on, you know, because they make
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  Speaker 2: money off this stuff. It's pretty wild because I've suddenly
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  Speaker 2: amassed 3 million views and monetized and all that other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you guys come across these videos, feel
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  Speaker 2: free to call in or write to.
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  Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind, we do not watch all these
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  Speaker 2: videos that come out. I mean, how many of them
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  Speaker 2: come out every single day, you would imagine, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: people will send a link or a photo of something. Here,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think of this? It's like, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have 2 hours to listen to this whole
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  Speaker 2: interview or whatever the case might be, but
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  Speaker 2: This allows me to make my case for radio, for K-wave,
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  Speaker 2: and how when you hear Bible teaching here on K-wave, um,
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  Speaker 2: you can trust it because we vet everybody who's on K-wave,
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  Speaker 2: we're not just gonna put anyone on, uh, whereas on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube or Instagram or whatever, anybody can upload anything and,
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  Speaker 2: and it's
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  Speaker 2: You know, taken as gospel truth when it may not be. So,
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  Speaker 2: you can trust what you hear on Kwave and uh
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  Speaker 2: you can call in when you have questions about what
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  Speaker 2: you hear anywhere else. 888-564-6173 is our number. Gonna be
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  Speaker 2: here till 4 o'clock. We'd love to hear from you.
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  Speaker 2: Here's another question that was submitted online. This one is
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  Speaker 2: from Dan in Riverside, who uh says that he was
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  Speaker 2: speaking to a Mormon concerning Colossians 1 verses 15 and 16.
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  Speaker 2: Let me read that passage really quick.
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  Speaker 2: The sun is the image of the invisible God, the
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  Speaker 2: firstborn over all creation, for in Him all things were created,
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  Speaker 2: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether
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  Speaker 2: thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things have
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  Speaker 2: been created through Him and for Him.
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  Speaker 2: So, Dan asks, how do I argue for the divinity
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  Speaker 2: of Christ through these scriptures when the literal meanings of
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  Speaker 2: image and firstborn are just that, and then also when
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  Speaker 2: it says all things were created for him. Is this
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  Speaker 2: basically a problem of understanding Christ's dual identities? What would
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  Speaker 2: you say, Brian?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I think it's a common mistake
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  Speaker 1: to think of first born in the sense of the
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  Speaker 1: first one born, uh, which is, it can mean that, um,
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  Speaker 1: but it means more than that in the Bible and
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  Speaker 1: the the term actually means the, um, probably the best
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  Speaker 1: way to understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Is the preeminent one or the one who has um
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  Speaker 1: supremacy overall. So that's that's what it means uh the
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  Speaker 1: Lord in um I think it's Psalm 78, um, he,
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  Speaker 1: he speaks of, um, I will make him speaking of
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  Speaker 1: the Messiah, I will make him my firstborn, the highest
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  Speaker 1: over the kings of the earth. So that's the idea,
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  Speaker 1: the highest over. So, so don't, don't interpret that.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, as a, a statement that Jesus, because what the
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  Speaker 1: cults will do is they'll say, see right here, Jesus
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  Speaker 1: was the first, uh, of, of the creation, and, um,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't, it says that he's over. He's the firstborn
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  Speaker 1: over creation. So even the word over kind of gives
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  Speaker 1: the idea of, of what the word is actually referring to.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what was the other part of the question?
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  Speaker 2: Phil, Phil, do you remember? No, I'm, I think you
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  Speaker 2: answered it, Brian. I was gonna say is that it? I,
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  Speaker 2: I think you answered it. I was just gonna add
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  Speaker 2: he should not try to argue, um.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in just verses 15 and 16, probably like
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  Speaker 2: read verse 17, it says Jesus existed before anything else
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  Speaker 2: and he holds all creation together. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of times people wanna like pigeon us, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this verse says this, it's like, yeah, but these other
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  Speaker 2: 43 verses say this, like,
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you, if you wanna try to hold
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  Speaker 2: one thing, I, I don't know, it was, I heard
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  Speaker 2: a professor say, basically every
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  Speaker 2: Like Christian adjacent cults, you know, you can get from
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  Speaker 2: the book of Job if you just take two verses
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  Speaker 2: out of context. And uh I think it's pretty true.
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  Speaker 2: So if you, if you look at verse 17, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty clear that he's speaking of the preeminence of Jesus
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  Speaker 1: as
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  Speaker 2: Brian used that word as a better word than the
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  Speaker 2: idea of firstborn being chronological, but firstborn being preeminent. It's a,
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  Speaker 2: it's a really important distinction.
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  Speaker 1: And, and the passage goes on to speak of Jesus, um, as, uh, in,
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  Speaker 1: in him.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, all the fullness of the deity dwells bodily.
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  Speaker 1: So that that's pretty clear right there. The fullness of
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  Speaker 1: God dwells bodily in him. So, you know, uh, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the, with the cults, um, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: which one it is, when it comes to their, their
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  Speaker 1: teachings on Jesus, they are always taking a few passages.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, most of the time taking them out of context, uh,
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  Speaker 1: other times misinterpreting what they actually say, and then coming
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  Speaker 1: up with a wrong view. But like Phil said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you take the other 43 verses,
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  Speaker 1: I, I heard some guy the other day, you know,
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  Speaker 1: arguing about, you know, Jesus, the, the deity of Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: and he was arguing against it because, you know, Jesus
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  Speaker 1: said this and he did that, and my father is
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  Speaker 1: greater than I and this sort of thing. And I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, you know, this poor guy, I could give
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  Speaker 1: him 10 verses right off the top of my head
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  Speaker 1: that state, and he was basically saying Jesus never claimed
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  Speaker 1: to be God. I thought, OK, well, you need to
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  Speaker 1: read your Bible a little more closely.
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  Speaker 2: So I found the other question that Dan had, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's just, when it says all things were created for him.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, but we might have answered that already, right? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think is just basically a problem of understanding. When
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  Speaker 2: I heard that, that doesn't make, I, I don't see
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  Speaker 2: how that would be a contradiction of, you know, understanding
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  Speaker 2: that there's no duality there. If he is the preeminent one,
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  Speaker 2: then everything exists for him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and doesn't the passage say by him and
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  Speaker 1: for him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in him for by him and through him, I think,
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  Speaker 2: or for him, yeah, something,
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  Speaker 1: yeah, and if, if Colossians doesn't say it, Ephesians does.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Dan, thank you so much for sending in
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  Speaker 2: that question through the pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, the number again 888-564-6173. Here's one more
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  Speaker 2: that was sent in online. It is from Karen.
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  Speaker 2: She says, I know the Bible does not state our
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  Speaker 2: pets go to heaven, but in Genesis.
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  Speaker 2: It states that God also made a covenant with all creatures.
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  Speaker 2: It also states, there are animals in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: I lost my dog 10 days ago or 10 days
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  Speaker 2: after major surgery, and I am majorly devastated to the
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  Speaker 2: point that my psychologist wanted to admit me to the
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  Speaker 2: psych hospital. I did not go, but, um, what would
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  Speaker 2: you say to Karen, Phil? Well, I would say that's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. That's awful. Right after surgery and then
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  Speaker 2: you lose your dog.
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  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, that's, that's bad, and it sounds like that
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  Speaker 2: puts you quite in a state. Um, I hope you're
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  Speaker 2: doing better is what I would say, I guess, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in terms of like pets in heaven and the covenant idea, um, I,
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  Speaker 2: I do think
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  Speaker 2: That there's pets in heaven, uh, for sure. Um, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that I would use the Genesis covenant to
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  Speaker 2: animals as like that all animals, like every cockroach that's
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  Speaker 2: ever existed will be in heaven because of that covenant.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I wouldn't go so far as that, but because
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: God is so, um, so he's a consuming fire. He like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: he loves humanity so much, and, um, I'm absolutely certain
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  Speaker 2: that he is thinking of you always, and that'll include
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: into your eternity. So, the idea that your pet will
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: be there for you when you're there, why not? I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: don't see any reason why that couldn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Brian
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  Speaker 1: Um, I, I agree. I, I agree with Phil. Uh,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I think I've shared this before, but I remember many, many,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: many years ago where I, um, had a friend who, he,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: he was a friend and he was, he was a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: great brother, but he was so
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Adamant that animals did not go to heaven and if
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you even thought that they might, um, then you, you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you had some serious theological issues and, and I remember
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: kind of just debating with them and, and I don't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: even like saying go to heaven because I mean we're,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you know, but, but meeting us in the place where
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: we will be ultimately, uh, I love, you know, Phil's brilliant.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Uh
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Perspective of uh why not? I mean, you know, why not?
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  Speaker 1: God loves us. He loves these creatures somehow, uh, we
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: fall in love with these animals and um, you know, there's,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to, I think there's so much more,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, as, as I've mentioned and most people know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: about the um the passing of my son-in-law 6 months ago,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: 7 months ago now.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, um, you know, it's caused us to really think
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: much more deeply about heaven and about the future and about,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and, and I think we have just sold
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it so short. I was listening to Randy Alcorn, who, uh,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: is a great, you know, theologian, and he wrote the,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the book called Heaven. And Randy, Randy was saying, um,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you know, he's he's talking about being in seminary.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And you know, being in a class where they're talking
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: about eschatology, so eschatology is the study of the, the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: end basically, and he said in, in the, in the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: eschatology classes they would spend the majority of time debating
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the rapture and then they would have like 10 minutes
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: at the end to talk about the new heaven and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the new earth and he said, you know, it's like
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: this is the place we are going to spend eternity.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But we put so little thought into really, you know, grasping,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, what it's gonna be about, and I think,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you know, with our family experience, of course, it's really
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: forced us in, in that direction, which, which has been
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: beautiful man, Phil, I'll tell you, you know who I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I I'll tell you a person who just got it is, uh, Spurgeon.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Man, Spurgeon got it. He just, he has so many
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: unbelievably rich things on the future and on heaven and yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: such good stuff, so.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes like theology, which is like the study
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of God, the study of the Bible, and so on
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in a general sense, I think it's almost like we're
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a little, it's like we're, I don't wanna say afraid,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: but like we hesitate too much on
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Heaven because it's like we don't know, like we just
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: don't understand, right? So we're gonna like spend all of
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: our time on what we think we can understand and then,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: but it really does a disservice to the average person
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: like the rest of us because it's like I'm gonna
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: spend a lot less time here on earth than I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: do in heaven and um yeah, it's a, it's a,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that's a really great observation. I wanna, I'm gonna think
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: on that a little bit more. I like that. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: we're gonna spend a lot less time in the rapture than.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: In on earth or in heaven, right? It's like the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: twinkling of an eye, and here we are spending 90%
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of the time.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Figuring out what it's gonna be like and everything else
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and you'll, you'll have flossed more in your lifetime than
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the rapture will take. I mean, basically everything you do
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: will have been faster or longer than the rapture,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: even blinking your eye.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, a yawn.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Karen, for sending in your question on uh
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Pastor's Perspectives Facebook page, and I will go to the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: phones at 888-564-6173, 888-564-6173. Catherine in Monrovia. Hi, welcome to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the show. Hi, you guys, thanks for having me. If
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: God knows everything,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: including choice, what we make, the choices
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: we make.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: What does it mean in the Bible in Genesis 6:6
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: when God said he regretted making mankind? I'm confused.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: What do you say, Phil?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question and um thanks for asking that,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and it's, it's not so, so oftentimes the Bible uses
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: rhetoric or words like linguistic words that we, language that
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: we humans would understand so that he can express something
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that we could understand.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It, so the language of that God regrets is not the, the, the, the,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the takeaway is not that God actually felt the emotion
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of regret or that he made a decision and then
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: realized he made the wrong decision, but it's a way
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of expressing his sadness. It's a way of God expressing
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: His, um, like what the New Testament would call, like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: would say, do not grieve the Holy Spirit. Well, how
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: can you grieve the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: knew you were going to do that in the first place, right?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: If the Spirit knew I was going to sin, then
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he have already prepared himself for that, so as
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: not to be grieved.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And yet that wouldn't, that wouldn't teach me the lesson
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the Bible wants me to learn, and that is that
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: my sin impacts God. And so the language that is
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: used is used to express a sense of emotion that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: God feels, even though he knows all things, he still
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: feels a sense of sorrow and sadness and grief and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: what we would call regret, though it is not the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: regret of human language. Brian. Wow, that was good.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That was a good answer, pastor. Thank you. I, that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: was my next question, whether he experienced grief. Pastors, thank
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you so much. I love you guys. Keep up the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: great work,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: OK? Thank you. Yes, if
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: insist,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: well, I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: love you. Thank you.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: You know, just looking at that passage, Phil, and that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: was a great answer. Um, you know, verse 5 says,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and you know, before that we're talking about, um, you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: God says that the spirit will not always, uh, contend with,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: with humans and, um, and then the Nephilim were on
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the earth in those days. Sons of God went into
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the daughters of, of humans and and so forth. But then,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Um, verse 5, the Lord saw how great the wickedness
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of the human race had become on the earth and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: He had made human beings on the earth, and you think, OK,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: so God knows in advance that He, of course He
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: knows everything, so He knows that this is, I'm gonna
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: create this world and this is where it's gonna go.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But now it's actually it's, it's, it's being actualized. It
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: it is, it's actually going where he knew it would go,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and it's a grief to him.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That and I think, you know, your point, Phil, is,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: is the right point. It's not like God's like, oh
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: dang it. Why did I do that? I thought, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: thought that it was going to go a different direction. Oh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I regret that decision. That's not what we're talking about
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: because that would be in conflict with other things that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we're told about God. So yeah, but, but as God is,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, experiencing it in real time, the, the wickedness
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of humanity.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: This is the.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: The saddening thing, the grieving thing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Phil, any other thoughts? No.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: All right, Catherine, thanks so much for your phone call
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: today on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number. Uh, here's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: one that Martha sent in on Facebook. Uh, you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: we're seeing all the Halloween decorations up in the stores,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: which means it's time for a Christmas question. And, uh,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Martha's question is about Jeremiah 10. Does this refer to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Christmas trees? Should we not have Christmas trees in our home?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Brian.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, that all depends. If you like a Christmas tree,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you should have one. If you don't, then you don't
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have to have one. There's no rule either way, but
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah has zero to do with a Christmas tree. Uh,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah is describing the process of making an idol and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: bowing down to it. You're taking the wood, the tree,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and then decking it with gold.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And this is the process of, of making an idol. Isaiah, uh,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: chapter maybe 44, 45, 46 in there describes the same,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: almost the same exact thing. And um, so.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: No, nothing to do with the Christmas tree. Um, people think, oh,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this all originated in Babylon and to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: participating in this is to be, uh, involving yourself in,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in pagan idolatry, and this is just not.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: The case and you know there have been people in
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: church history that just they just are allergic to fun
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and joy and those kinds of things so they come
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: up with dumb ideas and then put everybody under bondage
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: so they don't have any fun and whoever came up
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Might have been Alexander Hyslop. I, I'm not gonna totally
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: blame him, but he did write The Two Babylons, so
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: it could have been him, but, um.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: We're not under such superstition
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: here,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: but that said, if you read, if anybody just reading
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the verse maybe for the first time ever or something,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it does talk about, you know, cutting a tree and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like you read, like you said, Brian, the adorning it
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: with silver and gold and everything else, so we can
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: see why people would think that. Well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think you would only think it if somebody put
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it in your head that you should think it. I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: don't think the average.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think a new Christian would read that and go,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's talking about a Christmas tree there.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they would, but I think you'd have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to have somebody say to you, hey, did you know
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that that's a Christmas tree.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Phil, 30 seconds. I was just thinking, 0, 30 seconds. OK,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: here we go. I was just thinking about this is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: one of the actual, like the issue we're talking about,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and I think of Halloween in the same way. This
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is one of the issues that makes like Google and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the internet so great because we used to get away
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: as pastors with saying things that were just like, we
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: heard threads of things from people before and before and before,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and it was a lot of nonsense. And now people
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: will Google that stuff before you finish your sermon, they'll
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: have the full answer.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And I actually think it's really good for the world
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that we have these things now. Yes, I remember when
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Snopes.com came out. Yes, and that was, yeah, because even
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: after it came out, I remember pastors telling these tall
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: tales of whatever, and I'm like, no, that's been disproven,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to get up from my seat and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: tell them, but I didn't. All right, we'll be back
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: on pastor's perspective.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. Phone lines are open
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: till 4 o'clock. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. You
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: can ask your questions of Pastor Brian Broderson, Pastor Phil Metzger.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you at 888-564-6173. Phil is
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: not back yet.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, well,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You'll have to fill in. OK, so we'll do our best.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask the next question and I'm gonna give
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it to you. Oh man, wait, no, because you know
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I am actually the host today because remember I started, um,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: but let's go back to the Christmas tree. Oh, sure, sure, OK, so, um, with,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: with the Christmas tree and the idea of, of its
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: pagan origins, um, most people believe that, um, Martin Luther.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: was most responsible for what we know today as the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree, and for him there was all this rich symbolism.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It was an evergreen tree which spoke to us of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: everlasting life, and then the tree was taken and it
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was decorated and it was all decorated. It was decorated
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in gold because of the royalty of Jesus and things
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like that. So I think that's a much better uh.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Understanding of this tradition than trying to see, um, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: paganism always sort of trying to make its way, you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: into the church. I mean, obviously that did happen at
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: times and.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You can read the New Testament and you find that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: there's some of that that they're dealing with then. But,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: but I think, again, I think that there is just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that tendency sometimes for people to um
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You know, just kind of see a demon under every rock,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and it's just, it's not the case.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: OK, now we'll go to the phones. Soraya, listening to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: K-wave in Irvine, California. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Hey, hello, what's your question?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Hi, how are
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you? Thank you so much for your time.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: My question
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: in, I'm, I'm not very, uh,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I haven't been a very good student about reading my Bible,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: but in Genesis, there's just Adam and Eve, and then
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: we have the, the Cain and the other guy, Cain
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and who is the brother? Abel.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Abel, OK. And then one of the boys, I guess
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it's Cain, he goes to the other village and marries
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a girl. So where did those people come from?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: If you only have Adam and Eve, and then they
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: have their children, right? So one of the boys goes
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to the village, cross the whatever, cross this freeway, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: there's a girl.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Where did they come from? This is such a great question,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm really glad you're calling and asking it in,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: in all sincerity. I mean, it's, it's great because it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: This has been a, this has been a question that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: even some leading atheists have brought up in debates to,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, try to prove that the idea that all
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: of humanity, you know, came from just two people and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: so forth is nonsense. And, you know, where did King
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: get his wife? That's been asked many times. Well, here's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the thing to to know. The Bible.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's, it's not a history book in the sense that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it tells us, you know, all of the details of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the lives of the people that it discusses. The Bible
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: is what you call a history of redemption. So it
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: tells us about the people primarily who are involved in
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the redemptive process. And so in the fifth chapter of Genesis,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: we read about Adam.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Who there it's uh talking to us about another son
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of Adam named Seth and it says that Adam had
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: many sons and daughters so we only know the names
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of three Cain, Abel, and Seth but he had many
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: sons and daughters and so this would be where the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: um
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: The, the woman would have come from, uh, who would
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: become the wife of Cain. So, of course, in those times,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: there wasn't the issue of, well, wait, she's your sister,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you can't marry her. Um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You know, all of that would would come later when
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: God gave the law to Israel. But at the time,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the world was repopulated initially through the children of Adam, uh,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: marrying one another and having children and then the the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: population growing.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Soraya?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Oh,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: wondering.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: OK, I mean, I have to accept
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: what, what, what can I say.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: The other thing is that when we pray, we say,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: we say all of our prayers, and then we say
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in Jesus' name,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I bring this prayer to you or what.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: If we believe in trinity, then why do you say Jesus' name?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Why don't we say in the name of the Father,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the Son, and the Holy Spirit?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Phil.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I, you know, Brent, I didn't hear, it's, it's a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: little bit bummer, I didn't hear the question. OK, so,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Soraya's second question was, uh, since we believe in the Trinity,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: why do we close out our prayers, and it sounds
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: weird to say close out our prayers. It's like, you know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: writing a letter and saying sincerely, um, but, uh, why
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: do we close out our prayers by saying in Jesus'
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: name instead of, you know, the Father, the Son, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, got it. Well, you know, in like in, in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the Gospel of John, John 14, probably 15 and 16 too,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: but for sure 14, Jesus says, whatever you ask in
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: my name, I will do. So we just kind of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: take that really like right to the point, and, and
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I don't wanna um take away from the fact that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Jesus is God, right? So when we are praying to, in,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: in Jesus' name.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: We are, it's not just like the name like the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: word Jesus, those letters, but it's also the character, uh,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: like he is God. So we're, we're praying in the,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in the authority of the triune God. Uh, we just don't,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that's a lot to say at the end of a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: prayer for dinner. We just, we just were told in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: John 14, Jesus says, whatever you ask in my name,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I will do it. So, the church has taken on
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the practice of praying in Jesus' name.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: What was that, Soraya?
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  Speaker 1: Whatever we ask is given to us, it's they, he
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: sure takes his time,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the Lord God.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I mean, 25 years of begging for my pain
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to go away.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Well, rheumatoid arthritis and it's me crying every day, 3
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: or 4 times a day and praying and asking God.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, some of this stuff is really not
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: fair for us human beings. And I know they say God,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know, gives it in His timing and not our timing,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and I know that for every question.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: We the human beings to have the answer, and sometimes
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it makes me think about the mullahs in Iran where
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I was born. Everything, every time you ask a contradicting question,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: they give you some kind of answer that to me
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't make much sense. But I guess there's
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a lot that we don't know. End of question, right?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think too, you know, we, I think
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: sometimes we have expectations that are, are not really biblical expectations.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, we, everybody who's in pain wants to be
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: out of pain. No question about it. And everybody wants
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to be out of pain as soon as possible. But
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: there's no place in scripture that guarantees that we will
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: not experience pain or that if we, you know, ask
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: God to deliver us from the pain that he's going
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Um, sometimes we suffer and sometimes it doesn't seem like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: God hears us at all because nothing's changing. Like you said,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you've been crying out for 25 years and you still
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: have this, this tremendous pain. Um, and so I think
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: what it comes back to in your case is maybe
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: realizing that
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: God, it's, let me give you an example from the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: life of Paul. Remember, Paul describes his own experience that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he has um um
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: He has this thorn in the flesh, he calls it, um, to,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to me was given a thorn in the flesh. And
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I think just that description is, um, indicating that there's
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: some
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, amount of, of pretty serious discomfort that he is
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: living with. He doesn't tell us what it is, but he,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: he refers to it as a thorn in the flesh,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and then he does say it's a messenger of Satan
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to buffet me. And then later he talks about rejoicing
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in his infirmity. So putting all those things together, you think, OK,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Paul has some physical condition that causes him to suffer.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: And he says, I sought the Lord 3 times, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I think when he says I sought the Lord 3 times,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think he prayed about it 3 times. I
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: think he's talking about seasons of really 3 seasons in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: his life where he said, God, you have got to
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: deliver me from this. You have got to, uh, help me.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I can't live with this anymore, you know, that sort
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And then he says, but the Lord spoke to him
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and said, My grace is sufficient for you. My strength
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: is made perfect in your weakness. So basically God said,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna heal you. I'm gonna give you grace, uh,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to persevere. And so Paul said, So then since that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I rather rejoice in my infirmities and afflictions, knowing that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: when I am weak, then I am strong.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Anything to add, Phil?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: No, that was great. Yes, Soraya, thank you for calling
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: in today to Pastor's Perspective.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I, I just want to say that, I love Soraya's honesty.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was, that was beautiful, you know.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: It's because it's true. It's like, yes, you know, and,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and it is confusing sometimes because, you know, Jesus said,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: whatever you ask in my name, I will give it
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to you. And you're like, OK, well, Lord, I've, I'm
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: asking these things and you're not giving them to me. Why? Well,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I think again, I think sometimes we, even when we
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: read the Bible, we have to recognize that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, somebody put it this way, and I,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I think there's, I think there's a lot of truth
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: The Bible was not written to us, but it was
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: written for us, and I think so often we overlook
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Jesus is talking to certain people when he says these words,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and sometimes these words apply directly to those people, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: if we take them and we try to apply them
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: beyond that, they might apply, but they don't necessarily apply.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: So in John chapter 14 through chapter 7 or 1617
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: is a prayer, but in those three chapters, Jesus is making,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: he says, um, uh, the works that I do, you're
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: gonna do greater works than these. You're like, Jesus, where,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: where is that? Who is Jesus talking to? He was
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: talking to the apostles. He was talking to the people
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that he was going to send into the world who
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: did do the things that he did.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: He wasn't talking to everybody. So I think we make
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a mistake sometimes of applying to ourselves things that God
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: uh did not necessarily speak directly to us. Now, could
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he speak those things to us? Sure, he could.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But I think that's where we come to, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: these individual moments where we say, yeah, I know, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: know God spoke this to the apostles there, but I
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: also know that he's spoken this to me as well.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of the, the personal relationship that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: we have with the Lord. Sometimes the Lord does do that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And we do get the question often, and Amber, we're
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: gonna get to you in a moment, so don't hang up,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: but there are some verses that we see in Scripture.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah 29:11 comes up frequently where example, yeah, where people
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: will say, well, I claimed this for myself, and can
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I claim this for myself, you know, because it was.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It was for someone else in that time. So how
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: do we apply that to today? Or do we, do
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we just read it as a historical account, or, or what?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and I'm glad you brought that up because
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I think that that is a great, a great example because,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you know, what a great passage. I know the thoughts
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: good and not of evil to give you a future
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and a hope.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And um if you look at the context, Jeremiah chapter 29,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: God is speaking very specifically to the people of Israel
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: about the future blessing that he has for them.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: So that's the first interpretation. That's who it came to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and that's who it's for, and that will be uh
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the reality at the time. But I think because we
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: are also the people of God.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: God can take that same passage that he originally spoke
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to Israel and he could say, hey, guess what? This
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: is for you today too. I, I wanna give you
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: this truth that you take this truth and you embrace
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it yourself. And, and I believe 100% that we, uh, are,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: are to do it. That's what that's basically what taking
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: God at His word means. Now I've heard, I've heard
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: people wanna get, you know, super.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: You know, well, theologically this is speaking to Israel, so we,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you know, don't try to take it and make it
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: a promise for yourself. Well, if that's your approach to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the Bible, you're gonna be a very poor Christian because, uh, and,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and the New Testament tells us that the things that
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: were spoken, the things that were written before were written
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: for our learning.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: That we through the patience of the and the comfort
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of the scriptures might have hope. So this is a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: bit of a pet peeve, as you can tell because
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm off on a tangent.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Tell us how you really feel about it. No, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: love it actually. I just, I was gonna kind of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: chime in there too as you were speaking about it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and just say like it is like a common mistake
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that a lot of us like in, in teaching roles
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: will make where, you know, you study something, you learn something,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and then you, you jump immediately more to the application
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: element of that and you.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You know, that's why we always learn like when you're
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: learning like how to like study the Bible, the hermeneutics
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: behind it, you, we always learn context is king, right?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: So we want to stay within the context and then
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the character of God allows us to extend that beyond
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: just that literal context into, you know, if God loves
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Brian and I know the character of God, that means
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: he also loves me.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Or whatever, but sometimes we miss the the earlier steps. And,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and it does, it becomes confusing to people. I like
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the way you've expressed that, Brian. It was great. Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And sometimes too, like when you take, and this is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: where people get into all kinds of trouble with like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a prosperity doctrine and stuff, because they take promises that
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: God gave to the nation of Israel in covenant with him.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And then they try to apply them broadly to the church,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: or they try to apply them to their own lives, like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: You know, God says this right here, you know, that
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: if you do this and this and that, then he's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: gonna prosper you, he's gonna bless you, your, your fields
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: are gonna be full of crops and your, uh, you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: your flocks are gonna flourish and all of this kind
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And and basically you're gonna prosper.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe, but the promise was originally there and that's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: where it starts. God might give it to you as
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: an individual Christian, but to take it and transfer it
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to the church in its entirety or to your congregation
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: if you're a pastor.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Then that's where you cross a line, I think.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And, and aren't they making the very same mistake when
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: you get into that prosperity doctrine? Is that like, oh,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you know, if you do this, and God's gonna bless
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you and give you lots of land and flocks, it's like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: so they, they spiritualize the blessings because none of us
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: got land in flocks. I mean the majority of us.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: So they have no problem to spiritualize what blessings looks like,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: but then they claim a promise literally that isn't, you
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's just out of context completely.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And I don't own sheep. I don't have any sheep,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: and they wouldn't be a blessing to me in San Diego.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: They would not, I would not see in my little
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: home that having a bunch of sheep would actually be
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a blessing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: This is true,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: but you could get a goat, and man, they, they
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: are so fun, you know, the way they run around
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and ram people and jump up and down here and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: there and everywhere. Goats
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: are
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: really
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: fascinating little.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Pastor Brian wants a goat.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: for his birthday we can get him a goat. OK, perfect.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Amber in Monterey Park watching us on YouTube. Let's wave
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: hi to Amber. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. What did you
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: want to ask?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: My question is, I have nieces and nephews that have
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: gone through just a horrible time in their home.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: One of them is really struggling right now because she
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: has a mom who is really her grandmother that sat
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: her down and told her that she was gonna give
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: her away because she was such a bad little girl.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: She was already calling residential services when this little girl
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: is the sweetest girl on the face of the earth.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: She has an uncle that told her that it was
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: her own fault that she got beaten up in mental
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: health hospital.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, why does it say in the Bible that, um,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: would a parent give their child a stone instead of
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: an egg or a snake instead of an egg? Why
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: would this parent basically give the worst kind of stone
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: or egg to this child when they're supposed to be
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the parent? Or how is it that her angels are
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: protecting her? Cause in Matthew, I think it says something
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: about a child's angels see the face of God.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: So why is this poor child going through this horrific
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Maltreatment in her home, um, when I ask God every
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: single day to protect her, and, um, I have the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: oldest daughter living with me, but I'm not able to
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: take this particular one in just at the moment we're
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: working on it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: But these children have just been in a horrible home,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: and I've been praying for years, decades, actually, and why
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: can't we seem to get any help or assistance, or,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I've been praying for the mother to change her heart,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and their uncle to change his heart, and to be saved,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and we're supposed to pray.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Um, in God's will, isn't it God's will for them
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: to be saved when I've been praying for decades for
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: these abusive people to be saved, and I would also
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: like a prayer request. Yeah, Amber, how old is your niece?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: The particular one I'm talking about is 14.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Amber, you know, you've called several times and basically
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: told us the story over and over again, and I remember,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I think you called maybe last week, and I, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: remember Phil specifically asked you about, you know, what have
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you done, and, and you told us about the older, um,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: niece that you've taken to, to live with you, uh,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: which is wonderful.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: And uh but my question is, you know, what are you,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: are you calling us and, and repeating this story over
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and over again, um, because you just want more people
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to pray, uh, with you? I mean, it sounds like
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of a why hasn't God,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you know, and if God said this and you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: why hasn't he done that, um, but I, my question
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to you is what specifically.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Are you calling us regularly telling us the same story for?
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Um, I want prayer and I want answers on what
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to do, how to do it, because I would love
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to take her in at this particular moment. I'm just
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: not able to right now, but I'm, I'm trying to
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: work on it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Um, so I don't know if God, I don't know
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: what God wants me to do or how to proceed
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: or what I'm supposed to do because if I report it,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it's their grandmother and she's 70 years old. So do
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: you report that? Or what do you do in this situation? I.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Literally pray every day. I don't know what to do.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to handle it. I'm trying. I used,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I take the kids in to visit with me all
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the time as often as possible just to get them
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: out of the house. So I guess my question is,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do and this has been
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: going on for so long, and I just want it
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to be over and I'm exhausted and I guess I
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: just need prayer.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly what, what we are able to do. We can
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: pray for you and, and will pray for you. And I,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I think on one level, you know, you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: are doing.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You're doing all you can do.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And I, I don't think you have to live under
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: this weight of somehow you have to solve this. So
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you're doing what you can do from a practical standpoint,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: you're praying regularly, um, God, even though the circumstances are
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: not what you hope they will be at some point, uh,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: God is still working, um, and I think that there
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: is a place where you just have to.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Just rest and say, OK, I, I'm doing what I
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: can do, and you keep praying and you get prayer
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: like you're doing today and keep trusting the Lord, uh,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we've all seen so many things where we think, God,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this is so wrong and it needs to be righted,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, God has not seen fit to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: write it at this time and this is life in
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: a fallen world.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And it's just the way it is. One day it'll
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: all be fixed, and we will all marvel at the,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the wisdom of God. But in the meantime we kind
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: of scratch our heads sometimes and think, uh, and you know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the Psalms are full of this. I would say just
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: camp out in the Psalms because the Psalmist have the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: same kind of perplexities that you're experiencing. Lord, why, why
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: is this happening? If you said this, how is it
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: that this is going on?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: And Lord, we know that you do not delight in
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the wicked, but why do the wicked seem to prosper?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: How come they seem to always get a break? And
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the righteous people, it just seems like all day long
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: we are suffering and miserable, and you're not delivering us. So, so, Lord,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: we do pray again for Amber today. We join.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: With her in crying out for these kids, Lord, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: all of this just sounds like so many uh injustices
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: taking place, so many things that just are not right
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: with these parents and relatives and God we just pray
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: for mercy, we pray for deliverance, we pray, Lord, you're
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: able to be with these kids in a way that
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: no human can even be with them.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So we just entrust them into your care. Pray that
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you would bring about the right thing at the right
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: time in Jesus' name. Amen.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Amen. Everybody watching and listening is gonna be praying for
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: your family, Amber. If we had more time, I would
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: have asked you, what is your hesitation in reporting 70
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: or 73 year old grandmother, cause I mean,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Come on,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, 70 year old people are plenty
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  Speaker 1: capable of doing bad things and are plenty, uh, accountable
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  Speaker 1: for them.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: So maybe I, I don't know. That's just my opinion.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm, it's just me.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it on behalf of the radio station
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: or the church or anything, just, but, um, that might
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: be your next step. I don't know. I don't know,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: but we'll be praying for you. God bless you guys.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective. Thank you, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Phil. Talk to you guys later.