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AEW Hot Topics | Previewing Sting's Final Dynamite · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Nisson with
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  aw Fanha. This is Kelson and this is Alex and yeah, let's get
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  right into the talk. We have some more folks with us today that will
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  be introducing shortly, but I want to start things off with talking about Collision.
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  We did not have a Collision last week, so this week was by
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  default better than the last episode. Yeah, yeah, better rating just mathematically.
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  So yeah, I think you know, we had talked about a few
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  things. I think Kelson, you said you're gonna sleep or not watch Brian
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  Danielson versus Junakiyama. I thought this match of the you know, different older
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  Japanese guys that they brought in, Eugenagatta, uh, even Mineral Suzuki,
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  I thought Ju Nakiyama was kind of my favorite of of the Japanese wrestlers that
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  they brought in, and I thought him and Brian Danielson put on a really
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  great match and it had a really great ending. In my opinion, that
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  made me a lot more excited for Eddie Kingston versus Brian Danielson than I was
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  going into Collision. Well, you're saying Akayama was not just a grandpa.
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  He was a great grandpa. Oh God, that was bad that that just
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  didn't sound good. It sounded good when I thought of it, but it
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  didn't sound good what I said, Well, what's the opposite? He was
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  like a father? He was he was a father moving back in age because
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  ju Nakaiyami, he he moves like a guy that hasn't had a lot of
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  issues, like like when Minoral Suzuki's moving around or yuj Nagada, like they
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  seem like old guys. And I thought like Junakayama seemed kind of limberate.
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  He was moving quick, so that was kind of a nice change. Yeah,
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  okay, yeah, yeah. Anyone else want to chime in on this
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  match? Sutton, You're here with us tonight and I'm wondering what you thought
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  about it. I thought it was a good match. I don't know.
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  I I just he all the guys that come in from Japan, the knew
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  japan guys, whether it be Minor Susuki or any of those guys, it's
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  such a they do things so different there that they're always gonna look weird to
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  me in the ring. In what you see in American wrestling, it's just
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  they're they're just it's always so different. So I yeah, I liked it.
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  I have never seen him before Saturday, but I thought he was I
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  really enjoyed that match. I thought it was a really good match. Mm
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  hmm. Yeah, And what did you think of the batch? I thought
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  it was really good. I like a lot of the Japanese wrestlers Japanese wrestling,
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  so I enjoyed seeing him. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not
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  a big Danielson fan, but overall, I thought the match was really good.
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  I enjoyed it. Yeah, Like I think, when Danielson's good,
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  and when he has a good opponent, it's good. But yeah, when
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  when he's with someone that I'm not so interested in, I do find him
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  kind of boring sometimes. Yeah, man, that's fair enough. I mean,
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  if you watch it the you know you're watching it to enjoy the wrestling,
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  and if you're not watching somebody that you're not particularly enjoying, there's no
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  sense to watching it. And one thing that I loved was the promo that
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  Danielson did before the match where he was making fun of Eddie Kingston and how
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  he cuts promos like saying, oh blah blah, blah, the boom,
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  mic, the light. Yeah, why what are you even doing here?
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  Well, let's go to mkay. What were your thoughts on this? Uh,
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  this match, buddy, I honestly don't get a chance to what.
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  I forget it's gone. I wish it was a better time. I usually
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  don't pay attention to the Japanese wrestler. I don't know much of him,
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  so I don't pay attention to him. It has to be a done good
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  match for me to catch up on. I just wasn't interested in that match
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  at all. Yeah, you know, Alex had alluded to this. I
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  predicted that I would fall asleep before this match even started. I had no
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  interest in this match whatsoever. Be honest with you, I did uh le
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  mean, I AAW's where Japanese wrestlers come to lose, especially old Japanese wrestlers.
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  But anyway, so I just turned off the TV before this even started,
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  and I caught it on YouTube, which MK, that's a good thing
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  to do because they do have the highlights at least of the matches. They
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  can catch up on All Collision on YouTube on the All the Wrestling's YouTube,
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  and you can. They usually post it the same night you know, so,
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  you could actually watch the two hour Collision show every match of worth well
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  that they deem them worthy. It's probably a twenty five minutes you know,
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  so, and you get the gist of things. But anyway, yeah,
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  look, my overall thoughts on Collision. I love the Sammy and Hobbs match.
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  I mean, other than the fact that aw blew their entire budget for
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  tables in a fifteen minute match. They can't buy any more tables now for
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  the next two quarters of this year. But after that match, it was
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  no sorry, yeah yeah, that that was my next thing I wanted to
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  talk about was my favorite match of Collision, and that was by far the
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  Sammy Guvara Powerhouse Hobs match. And I think I counted seven tables that were
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  used in that match. It was insane they all. I thought they used
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  spot. I might have missed a couple though. Yeah, I counted five,
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  But then I thought there was two that that were broken when I wasn't
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  looking, when I had my head turned, so they used to they used
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  one twice or two twice. Okay, I can't do this new math.
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  Yeah yeah they broke yeah, yeah, there was four tables used in two
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  spot to two per spot that was that was a little bit of a board
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  on the on the the tables, I think, just a little bit.
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  Yeah, but sud, did you have any other matches that you thought were
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  better than the Cobbs and send Me guvar match? No? Really, if
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  you took every other match out and just left it save me and Hobbs and
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  then uh Danielson in and you and you would have had a perfectly good card,
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  because uh, I did like Okay, I will say that the Lady
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  Ice is always they call her. Is that what her name is? Lady
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  Frost. I did like her match. I guess that was the other match
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  because that match was pretty decent from her. I like her a lot.
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  I'm kind of over the Tony Storm thing. She's I get it, but
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  it's just I don't know, I just it's just not working for me.
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  But I did like thought she was really good at what she was doing.
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  What about anybody else have any matches that did you guys think that that the
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  Sevin Gavara and Powerhouse Obs match was the best match in the night? If
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  not? Was there another match he thinks stood out that was a Malachi Black
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  Matt Were you asking how was it, I would say, Yeah, it
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  didn't do anything for me. And I used to be before Malachi Black stopped
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  wrestling singles matches, he was like my favorite wrestler, and yeah, it's
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  just not exciting for me seeing him face Brian Heath because you know, Brian
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  Heith's gonna lose. The match was just a little bit boring for me.
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  Yeah, my match, well, Malachi, how do I put this?
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  Brian Keith wasn't very good and neither was Malachi. I don't know whether it
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  was a lack of chemistry or a lack of athleticism, one of both parts,
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  you know, coming back from injuries whatnot. It just was it kind
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  of kind of plotted, you know, it was slow and and meticulous match
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  net Did you think that? I mean, do you agree with that?
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  Yeah? I wasn't that interested in it, and I like Malachi Black a
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  lot, but it just it didn't have any flair to it. It just
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  seemed very boring, almost like a time filler. They didn't have a lot
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  of chemistry. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't enjoy it. Yeah,
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  I'm with you. If I wanted to see Malachi Black wrestler Bran Heath,
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  I want to see him just beat Brian Heath in like two minutes. I
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  just want to see do his greatest hits. I think Blakeith is more of
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  an r O each would be better off in r O each because he just
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  puts me. He just puts me in mind of what someone from rh would
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  be, you know what I mean. Well, considering that he's never won
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  an AAW singles match, he definitely is doing better at r OH anyway.
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  Yeah, so Alex, let's let's move on from collision. What do you
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  want to talk about next? Yeah? The next thing I wanted to talk
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  about was so we I don't know if it's been officially announced by AEW,
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  but we have confirmation that Forbidden Door three is going to be taking place at
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  Arthur ash Stadium this year. Yes. I think we also at least rumblings
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  that not only will New Japan be involved, but also CML we've seen there
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  partnering with AW. Yes, so it's interesting. I think there's two there's
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  two interesting parts about Forbidden Door this year. One part is that probably the
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  two biggest names from New Japan are now members of the AW are about to
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  be members of the AW roster. Okada and will Osprey, So that kind
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  of takes away two of the biggest matches for the Forbidden Door pay per view.
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  So yeah, I don't know if anyone else has any predictions for what
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  a big interesting match. I know, net I think you said you like
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  Japanese wrestling, so I wonder if you have any thoughts. I don't know
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  what they're gonna do. I've been wondering that since AW got Okada, exactly
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  what direction they were going to go in with forbid in Door. I'm I
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  have no idea. I'm I'm excited to see it, but I don't I
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  don't know, Yeah, I mean, sorry, don't got so yeah,
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  one thing that I noticed with like, so Kada left and there's kind of
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  rumblings that he didn't leave in the right way because he didn't he won basically
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  a multi man tag match. He didn't end up putting anyone over on his
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  way out of the door. So I wonder if that is a way to
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  set up him fighting one of the younger guys from New Japan that's like not
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  as established in Okata representing AW now and he's fighting a New Japan guy.
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  So I thought that's one angle that I can imagine seeing so New Japan has
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  has new additions? Do they not nick name it? Oh? Yeah it
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  is there? And Jack Perry, Yeah, I think that's a concept.
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  And who they would who? I'm hoping that the MLLL will bring some people
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  in a note I thought I seen where the King goes hurt, but he's
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  with Pop anyway. The guy who thought that the that's keep a star who
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  thought mostully I think will be a good match with somebody I don't know who
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  put them with. But I'm hoping they bring it because I remember the kid
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  loving watching that style. So hopefully they bring a little bit. But I've
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  never really paid attention to Forbidden Door, But if they get more loops of
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  people in there, I might take a look at it. Yeah, and
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  yes we won't. Alex and I decided on a previous podcast that, uh,
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  we want to have et Cera's baby. Oh wow. The one thing
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  that about one thing that worries me about Forbidden Door is is New Japan going
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  to survive to Forbidden Door? Because with them having so many issues within their
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  company now, I don't know, I don't know how that's gonna you know
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  what I mean? They lost to Kata they lost Osprey, there's talk of
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  I don't even think I've heard talk that Jack Zaber Junior is not going to
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  be there very often. Then I hear he's gonna be either gonna build it
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  around. So I think it's all gonna come down to for the forbidden door
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  that they made up. You're right, I don't really know. You know,
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  I don't watch enough of Japanese wrestling outside of what they do in a
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  w Yeah, you know, I can't say, well, you know,
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  you've got this guy, this guy, and this guy. It's just one
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  of those things where they're they're you know, you got the chance for like
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  the original Bullet Club to come over and have problems with Boot Club Gold.
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  You could have that kind of an angle in there is the Jack Perry one.
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  Is that true that he is there? Or is this an excursion kind
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  of thing that they're working? You know what, I think it's work because
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  uh, nobody's talking about it right Let me ask. Let me ask a
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  question to you, Saw, and then I want MK and NET to also
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  tackle this question. Of course, Alex too. I previously said, and
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  it's the truth. Nobody could argue this that forbidden Doors where Japanese wrestlers come
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  to lose to AW wrestlers. Down't they bringing CMML wrestlers. I kind of
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  would look forward to seeing a match between two CMML guys and two New Japan
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  guys and give a w guys a rest. Let's have a match that we
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  literally don't know who's going to win this thing? Would I think that would
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  be I think that would be a cool idea. But then again, you
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  Yo and I both know that's not what it's about. You know, that's
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  what would be great to see, But it's about getting and I don't know,
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  it would be awesome to see something like that. Maybe throw in an
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  extra like one match between say Okata and some young kid coming from New Japan,
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  or offspring and some kid coming from New Japan or CMMLMML. But I
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  you know, it would be great to see it that way, but we
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  just never probably going to get that. I just say CMML CMLL fast that
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  way. If I mess up, nobody realizes it. Net. I mean,
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  what did you think about that idea? Would you like to see CMLL
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  fight matches against New Japan? I would? I think it's a good idea.
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  It's a good opportunity. I don't think it can hurt. I mean,
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  you know, it's it's more for everybody. It's it's more wrestling for
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  everyone. So I think it would be pretty nice. Yeah. Well,
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  you know, here's the problem though. And I can't remember who said it.
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  It was either Sutton or MK, but they said that they're not interested
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  because they don't really are not really familiar with New Japan. Was a one
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  if you just said that, or both of you that said that. Oh
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  I didn't I like it all. I mean, for me, anything that
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  happened. I used to be a giant the other company SPAN until they started
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  screwing that up. And this is kind of to me, it's like what
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  it was when WCW started. I love AW. I watch everything that has
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  to do with AW. My son watches all the New Japan stuff. He
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  stays up till late at night to watch the Super Cups and all the stuff
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  they do. I usually don't have time to watch that stuff. I would.
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  I think the first one I watched was I watched it the second year
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  of AW when it was during the pandemic. I watched the one in the
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  Tokyo Dome that year myself. Yeah, Russell Kingdom. That's the first one
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  I really watched. I knew who you know, everybody knows growing up,
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  you know what New Japan is, but you don't see anybody, right if
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  I had the opportunity, but I just don't. So okay, So you
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  were the one that said so you're not familiar with Japan, then right?
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  Yes. You know. One thing I've said the aw doesn't do very well
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  is introduce this to people and little just little vignettes of you know, people
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  before they come out would be great. But you know, I would love
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  to see black tourists versus Okata, just different types of people. I remember
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  growing up and watching Ultimate Dragons versus some of the luca ly bred people and
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  that was fun to watch. Just different styles clashing and turning out how to
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  do matches, and uh, that excites me. I think the main thing
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  for the first Forbidden Doors was just to get them for the rest was known,
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  and it should be great just to have different matches of different people and
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  not always have the same winner. Yeah, and one last thing about Forbidden
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  Door. We do have John Moxley competing for the New Japan title, the
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  heavyweight title at the Chicago show. That they're doing, so there is a
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  small chance that John Moxley actually walks into Forbidden Door three as the new Japan
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  Champion to kind of set up them taking their title back. So I just
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  thought that's maybe the last interesting angle for Forbidden Door three. Yeah, you
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  know what if I thought that somebody from New Japan could actually win a meaningful
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  match and Forbidden Door and actually probably by Forbid Door. But I have not
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  purchased or some for Britten Door yet, and I do not feel like I've
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  missed anything. I could see great wrestling matches on regular TV from AW.
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  I don't need to buy a pay per view to see a meaningless but great
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  match. Yeah, fair enough, it's not continuing the AW storylines and developing
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  that we've had a thing in a past where we've talked about Forbidden Door where
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  we consider some of us do not all by far, not all, but
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  some of us have said that Forbidden Door is not only were Japanese wrestlers cut
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  the lose to AW wrestlers, but it's the great momentum killer of AW.
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  Yeah, I think you know, I liked Forbidden Door two more than Forbidden
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  Door one, But I just I like the idea that we have this kind
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  of weird thing where we get these cross promotional matches. I agree that that's
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  kind of kill things, but I enjoy it. I'm happy, and I
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  hope they keep doing it year to year. I guess it's not for everyone,
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  but I think it probably brings in some other fans to make up for
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  the I heard AW fans that aren't following. Right. Well, I think
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  it's a dream come true. You know, we've grown up. When you
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  had WCWAWW, you wanted to have them go against each other. It never
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  happened, never was gonna happen. But now you actually have it where someday,
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  you never know, with things that are going on in any other company,
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  you know what I mean, there could be a time when that's included
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  too. Yeah, but sut Sutton, let me break in there, because
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  what you just said was really really true. When WWE and WCW were going
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  it going against each other, you wanted to see them go against each other,
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  right, you know, literally in the ring. Well, guess what
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  happened. WWE bought WCW and they did go against each other, and WWE
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  absolutely squashed every single thing that WCW had Okay, right, and that's the
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  way I look for bid door. And I'm gonna tell you another thing.
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  When wc W was purchased by WWE, I immediately started watching w W because
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  I was a w WCW fan. When I saw what WW was doing to
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  WCW, I stopped watching wrestling for fifteen years. Yeah, I didn't watch
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  it for Yeah, I didn't watch it either. I Mean. The thing
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  that's different about that that is now compared to what it would have been done
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  is Tony Caughton is he's so much different than Vince was. Vince was an
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  asshole. Sorry he was, and he always would have been. And what
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  he did was because he didn't know that he If you sit back and think
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  about what could have been had they actually gave WCW WWE own show, give
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  it its own show and let it go, well, it could have been
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  he could have had They could have conquered everything because you could have still had
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  their brand. He had a brand split, you know what I mean.
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  But they didn't do that because Vince's problem was you were never I don't care
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  who it was when he was in charge. If his man ain't win and
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  it ain't doing it, period in the story, right, because that's why
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  I'll be bringing that. You wanted to say something, go ahead, Oh
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  no, I was just saying, Kelson. That happened to me when I
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  watched w CW and it was destroyed. I stopped watching wrestling for a long
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  time, and when a w came along, I was so hopeful that I
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  would see the wrestling that I had loved, and I've seen it so far,
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  and that's why I'm glad to see a lot of the Japanese wrestlers,
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  a lot of the Lucha doors because it's wrestling and it's it's just great.
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  It's great to see it this way. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  And in defense of the cross promotion stuff like yes, Ocata came to a
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  w and lost to Brad Danielson, but then later Brian Danielson went to New
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  Japan and lost to Okada. So it is a lot more give and take
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  than yeah, it's given, give or taken take. It's not give and
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  take, you know, but it's you know, you get my wrestler will
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  go to Japan and lose to your guy. Your wrestler comes to America and
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  loses to our guy. Yeah, but if they do that for two years
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  straight. I'm sorry it's boring. Well, we also had Sonata beat Jungle
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  Boy. You know, the Japanese guys did win matches at the show,
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  the big ones. Yeah, they're not gonna win the AW title, and
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  and that would be kind of cool if that did happen. Yeah, that's
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  what I want to see. I want to see matches, meaningful matches in
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  doubt, that's all. Yea, you know there's not so Alex. What's
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  next on the agenda for this evening? Yeah, but before we get into
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  the Dynamite match, the singular match that's been announced, I think, I
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  mean there's two, there's two pretty big things happening on this Dynamite episode.
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  But the biggest thing in my mind is it is Sting's final Dynamite, well
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  at least his final Dynamite as an active wrestler. I think Tony Kahn's hinted
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  at thing. You know, he might show up again in the future,
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  not wrestling, but he's still part of the AW family going forward. But
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  yeah, this is going to be Sting's last match or last Dynamite. And
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  I know we were speculating on Sting the road to Revolution. We've seen him
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  bring in Rick Flair already. I think we've also heard rumors that Lex Luger
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  will be appearing at the Revolution event or Lex Luger's talked about it. So
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  yeah, I guess I'm one. I have a couple of names I wrote
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  down, But uh, Natt, do you I'll put you on the spot.
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  Do you have any ideas of who who else might we see? And
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  I know you're a WCW fan, so you might have some good ones.
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  Oh, I don't know. I you know, I haven't thought about it
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  because I have wanted to be surprised. I almost feel like a little kid
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  again waiting for Saturday Morning Wrestling, and I have really wanted to be shocked
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  and surprised at who is going to come to Sting's final match, and also
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  which thing are we going to see? I've been wondering that too, So
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  I don't know. Any's made quite a few friends in the in the wrestling
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  business, and I don't know who's gonna show up. I hope everyone,
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  honestly, So, Nat, do you have any predictions of what thing we're
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  gonna see? Is it going to be the old Surfers thing? I was
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  hoping for the Surfers thing. Honestly, I was hoping that Sting would kind
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  of throw it back to his old fans. A couple of my friends were
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  saying that they think it's gonna be jokers thing, But I'm hoping that he
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  does the real throwback to to the beginnings of I would be of it.
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  Hm, that would be awesome. Yeah, I have a spicy prediction about
• 27:45
  that. But let's go to m K. I want to hear what MK's
• 27:48
  thoughts are. Who do you think that may show up for Sting's final match
• 27:55
  to support him. The problem is a lot of his friends are tub mainstays
• 28:00
  right now like Booker t I would and and Nasal state he can't go.
• 28:06
  Uh. But I would really love for Mick Foley to show up. Those
• 28:10
  who have a history the Steiner brothers have a history with him. Uh,
• 28:18
  just name names like that. I've heard names battered around like Mudha since he
• 28:22
  was part of his retirement. I could see mooda show, you know.
• 28:29
  But as for Sting coming out, we we know he's not gonna do blonde
• 28:33
  hair or anything for it. But I could see, you know, the
• 28:37
  black and white surfer Sting doing the woo's and the different maybe colorful tights,
• 28:42
  you know, like we seem a little bit in uh in TNA when he
• 28:47
  was in there for a little bit. But this is big for me because
• 28:51
  I grew up as a little stinger. I watched him a surfer Sting ninety
• 28:59
  seven and stuff. When he croasting, I had him as a birthday cake.
• 29:02
  Uh. I've a little singer for my whole, nearly half my life.
• 29:06
  So I enjoy watching him and like another person said, I really will
• 29:11
  be a kid again watching it. I hope there is some interference in both
• 29:17
  with I hope they do. I would really love for the rest, if
• 29:19
  not, stay in their seats a little bit and have some fun with the
• 29:22
  match and do some stuff. I hope they don't do the classic flare turning
• 29:26
  on sting angle, but but it seems like after Tulsa they may. I
• 29:33
  don't know what they're doing with that either, but I just love stinging,
• 29:36
  so it's gonna be an event for me. Well, Sultan, what do
• 29:41
  you? What are your thoughts on this, buddy? I I kind of
• 29:45
  agree with christ m m K. Yes, yeah, okay, I kind
• 29:52
  of agree with him that you're probably not going to get to see the circus
• 29:55
  thing unless there is a way that they could do that, and because there
• 30:00
  is a Texas Tornado match, they could start him out in the sting current
• 30:04
  thing and then through camera tricks or whatever you want to call it, however
• 30:08
  they want to do it, they could progress him back if they wanted to.
• 30:11
  And then you wouldn't play anything past these guys because they want to make
• 30:14
  this the most memorable thing that could happen. As for the people who come,
• 30:18
  h I figure you'll see lex. I figure you'll see uh maybe,
• 30:26
  I'm pretty sure you'll see Muda. Even if they don't announce him, he'll
• 30:29
  be there. I mean Muda. He was there for Muda, so I'm
• 30:30
  assuming Muda is going to be there when it comes to the Rick Flair thing.
• 30:34
  I don't. We had this discussion the other day, Kelson and I
• 30:40
  don't. I don't. I don't. I just don't see them. I
• 30:42
  don't see them losing that them titles tomorrow or Sunday. I see them keeping
• 30:47
  the titles and then him appearing because when you're I know this is going to
• 30:51
  be his last Dynamite tomorrow night, but it's not his retirement yet, So
• 30:56
  you wouldn't want to have like everybody come out and say farewell to him.
• 31:00
  So I seen him coming out on the following week before Big you know,
• 31:07
  the week before Big Business, and having him say his goodbyes and the ring
• 31:11
  to everybody and then either relinquishing the titles or picking a partner for Darby.
• 31:15
  That's just how I see it going. All right, Well, we will
• 31:19
  be talking about our final Revolution predictions on All He Talk tomorrow night at the
• 31:26
  podcast. I have a spicy prediction though, for what's going to happen with
• 31:33
  the guest. Alex has brought up Surfer Sting. I do believe that Surfer
• 31:40
  Sting is going to show up at Revolution. But it's not going to be
• 31:48
  our retiring Sting. It's going to be his younger son. He's gonna he's
• 31:55
  gonna come out, and I do believe I would be surprised if either Rick
• 32:00
  Flair or somebody like that does turn on Sting and Sting song. Surfer Sting
• 32:09
  comes out and takes care of him and that's it. Just a stork little
• 32:16
  tribute to Surfer Sting, and that's the way they could do it. And
• 32:20
  it would make sense that his son does look a lot like he did when
• 32:23
  he was younger, you know, like he did. Yeah, that's what
• 32:29
  I never thought about that, you know, go ahead, go ahead that
• 32:34
  No, I think that's a really that's a good idea. And well,
• 32:39
  while we're talking about this, when our glorious EVPs attacked Sting's son, I
• 32:50
  said to myself, this sets up that long term storytelling that I know and
• 32:54
  love because there can be a point down the road somewhere where sting sons and
• 33:05
  the EVPs actually have matches and actually have a feud with each other. So
• 33:15
  what better time than you know, Stingh's retirement to kind of kick that off
• 33:21
  and you're not at the stage for it. Yeah, not the squasher idea,
• 33:25
  net. But they did have an our interview with Darby Allen. They'll
• 33:30
  take this for what it is because it could be a swerve, as most
• 33:36
  things in wrestling tend to be. But Darbiella did state the recent interview that
• 33:39
  Sting's sons have absolutely no interest in professional wrestling. Yeah, I don't believe
• 33:45
  that. And to add to her idea, you could have one do surface
• 33:52
  thing and one do Crowsting. That's that's also true, you know, because
• 33:57
  they both look liking they both could pose as a so you do with that.
• 34:00
  That's a great idea. That's a that's great right there. That would
• 34:02
  really be It's gonna be big. I could see the Bucks messing with Sting
• 34:09
  and dressing up as Sting clones as well, and they look so I could
• 34:16
  see them dressing up in some sort to mock him and stuff. Uh,
• 34:22
  you know, I thought that Sting was going to lose, but when the
• 34:27
  Tulsa the promo, he did a Tulsa. I can't definitely say that now
• 34:32
  because now they've involved the siblings and the kids and stuff. So I really
• 34:38
  feel like, I don't know, it's a toss up. I don't know
• 34:43
  how they're gonna do it. Maybe they have have another tag tag team tournament
• 34:47
  and stuff. I don't really want to see the young Bucks with the titles,
• 34:50
  right, Yeah. I don't think anybody else does either, And honestly,
• 34:54
  I don't think that's the whole I don't think that's the plan, don't.
• 35:00
  Yeah, I don't think so it's going to be very interesting. I
• 35:06
  think that the Bucks are gonna win. But anyway, Alex, did you
• 35:08
  actually I can't remember did you? Did you? But take this with a
• 35:13
  great assault because I suck at making predictions anyway, Alex did you did you
• 35:17
  make your Yeah, I had two people and they were both mentioned. I
• 35:23
  had Great Mooda because of the retirement stuff, like he's already been involved with
• 35:28
  his retirement. And I had McK foley as well, because he was involved
• 35:31
  with staying not only way back in the day in w c W as Cactus
• 35:37
  Jack and we've also and they had some matches in TNA, I believe.
• 35:40
  And I don't know if McK foley's ever been part of a W at all
• 35:45
  in the past, but yeah, I you know, it might be establishing
• 35:50
  him as somebody we might see a little bit more so. Yeah, to
• 35:55
  the fact that he wants to wrestle a retirement match for sixtieth sixtieth birthday match,
• 36:02
  I think is what he said, and he doesn't want it to be
• 36:06
  in WW well, I would think way out. Just think if this happened,
• 36:09
  what if they had to work like a video package with guys like you
• 36:15
  know, Buff bag Well and Disco Inferno and Kevin Nash, And what about
• 36:23
  if they had Triple H or somebody like that from wwe actually make a statement
• 36:30
  and break down that stupid barrier that frankly, I think that would be the
• 36:37
  best thing to do, a classy thing to do, and then aaw can
• 36:42
  reciprocate down the line, you know, for WWE and have some of their
• 36:46
  guys participate in just a simple, you know, video package. I would
• 36:52
  not has done that. I think in the past they've let their wrestlers,
• 36:59
  particular certain on certain documentaries they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've
• 37:07
  They've done it with a lot of them for their their things, and and
• 37:09
  that's of this before. That's why I was saying we were talking about the
• 37:13
  forbidden or earlier, there's gonna be a day when that happens. It just
• 37:16
  is gonna happen. If if Trip staysn't in charge, or if some other
• 37:22
  fallout comes out of it and somebody else can, it's eventually going to happen
• 37:25
  because it makes it just makes too much. Everybody talks about how wrestling is
• 37:30
  about the money. That's money. You ain't making more money than that,
• 37:35
  you know what I mean. I mean, you listen to you listened to
• 37:37
  interviews with a w w WE wrestlers, and none of them are saying that
• 37:43
  they hate the other company. All. The most thing they say is that
• 37:46
  there now that there's more jobs, more wrestlers can eat. Tribalism does not
• 37:52
  exist among the wrestlers, or it exists among the fans. Now, we're
• 37:59
  a WAN, so we're AW specific, but that doesn't mean that we don't
• 38:04
  have AW fans that watch WWE, and it certainly doesn't mean that we look
• 38:10
  down upon AWW. What it means is that we are laser focused on AAW
• 38:19
  There are plenty of other places that are laser focused on WWE, CMLL,
• 38:23
  New Japan, stardom, you name it, there's places for it. We're
• 38:29
  just a place for AW where the AW fan of tribalism has no place in
• 38:34
  the community. And I think that, you know, we have to kind
• 38:37
  of walk a fine line between tribalism and just being AW fans. It's kind
• 38:43
  of sometimes hard to discern between the two, you know, but you can
• 38:47
  be a fan of wrestling. You don't have to be a fan of one
• 38:51
  company. It's just so hardens Like I said, that we are AW fanom
• 38:54
  that's what we are. So aw Unfortunately, there are way too many people
• 39:01
  that still have that mindset. I mean, you see it every day.
• 39:05
  There are a lot of people that just have that mindset where if it's not
• 39:08
  WWE, it sucks. If it's not AW it sucks. If it's not
• 39:12
  New Japan, it sucks. And you're gonna have that for a long time
• 39:15
  because they see that as for they perceived that's the way it is for the
• 39:19
  people in the and that comes a lot from what Vince was like, Yes,
• 39:24
  it certain that WWE fans hated everybody. If it wasn't WE, it
• 39:29
  didn't matter, and that's gonna take a lot longer for it to go.
• 39:31
  Wait and then you know what I mean. Well, w CW didn't help
• 39:36
  with that either though, because they did a lot of stuff you know,
• 39:38
  but do so throwing the belt of the Trash, the WW Belt the Trash
• 39:43
  live on TV. WD w CW were given spoilers when they were taping smack
• 39:49
  Down w CW. I love WCW, but they did some shady stuff.
• 39:54
  But anyway, Alex, I know you're chomping at the bit to get it
• 40:00
  to the match preview for Dynamite. Yeah, okay, so we got Eddie
• 40:12
  Kingston teaming up with FTR versus the Blackpool Combat Club. I love FTR.
• 40:20
  I don't hate Eddie Kingston like some other co hosts of this podcast and Blackpool
• 40:28
  Combat Club, I can kind of take it or leave it. I didn't.
• 40:30
  I wasn't super thrilled with the FTR, Blackpool Combat Club Last Dynamite,
• 40:37
  but I'm intrigued by this match. I think Eddie Kingston and FTR are kind
• 40:43
  of a weird pairing. I feel like Eddie Kingston may not be a fan
• 40:47
  of FTR, so yeah, I'm just I'm mostly intrigued by how they work
• 40:53
  together as a team and just kind of what the vibes are, right,
• 41:00
  Yeah, I guess be weird. Oh and it'll be an hour and a
• 41:07
  half. They still got to get fifteen minutes for well Osprey, fifteen minutes
• 41:10
  for staying well. You know they're gonna throw like Wardlow against you know,
• 41:15
  some local talent. Then they're gonna have Red Velvet probably against I don't know,
• 41:22
  Queen Amanada again. You know, it's tough on these go home those,
• 41:28
  you know, it's essentially Dynamite Collision this week or go home shows,
• 41:34
  and it's tough going into a pay per view. But nett uh, what
• 41:37
  do you think about this match? You excited for this match? For which
• 41:43
  one the only one alread Eddie Kingston against the Black Bull Comeback Club that I
• 42:00
  guess that fell off a chair. We'll go back to that if h let's
• 42:10
  okay, you there, Yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry, I love
• 42:16
  Okay. So what do you think about this match? Well? I am
• 42:23
  a big Eddie Kingston fan, so I think I'm I'm choking. I'm choking.
• 42:30
  Wait a second, Okay, I bet I don't. I don't know,
• 42:44
  I am. I can take it or leave it, though, I
• 42:49
  mean f TR is angry, upset, and I'm I don't know. They're
• 42:59
  always yeah, well sometimes they have a little a little kindness and a little
• 43:05
  soft spot. They're talking about, you know, fighting like eight year old
• 43:08
  girls. You know, they get all stuff. But yeah, you know,
• 43:13
  but after Revolver, Eddie Kickson's not known for being you know, like
• 43:16
  the most mild mannered personal world and Black Book Compa Club's always pissed off.
• 43:22
  Yeah, yeah, I don't know though it mm hmm. It doesn't seem
• 43:29
  like they're I don't know, like they're really really fired up. To me,
• 43:35
  it just seems like everybody's kind of mad. Maybe they'll get really mad
• 43:40
  at this match and this will be you know, like the powder keg I
• 43:49
  don't know. M Yeah, okay, what are you thinking about this match
• 43:54
  here? I am I do not like Eddie Kingston really. In my opinion,
• 44:07
  f TR has become a catch all. They've had you know this,
• 44:10
  Daniel Garcias with them, and then they have a match with uh now,
• 44:15
  Eddie Kingston. They've had one with Adam Copeland. I just think them become
• 44:21
  a catch off for all different people to work with. I'm I don't mind
• 44:25
  the Blackpool Combat Club, but I really do feel like they need to work
• 44:31
  with some different people or add some people or something to make them less less
• 44:38
  still. But Eddie Kingston, to me, I was disappointed that he won
• 44:43
  the Continental Classic. I was hoping someone else would win. I'm thinking hopefully
• 44:49
  the pay per view that that that that that belt will get taken off of
• 44:52
  by Brian Danielson. But I just I'm not interested in that match at all.
• 44:58
  I like FTR as a tag team. I was at Tulsa and that
• 45:02
  match was I thought was pretty good and the crowd liked it. I didn't
• 45:08
  like the ending necessarily, but uh, you know, Eddie kicks up with
• 45:15
  anybody is a snoozer for me. So well, Elf, I mean,
• 45:21
  yeah, all of sudden, What are your thoughts on this match? Uh?
• 45:27
  You know what. To me, it just seemed like it it's thrown
• 45:30
  together. It doesn't make any sense. I get what they're doing for because
• 45:36
  it is to go home showing. It puts the combatants for the two matches
• 45:38
  together. But honestly, when they first started, when I first thought they
• 45:43
  were gonna do it, I thought it was gonna be with with Run.
• 45:45
  I thought it would be him an f TR because Eddie really didn't have anything
• 45:50
  involved in it. What I mean, he was inside, he was sitting
• 45:53
  on the side and he was watching a match, but he didn't get messed
• 45:55
  up in it. It was FTR and Ryland or whatever name is. And
• 46:00
  that's what I thought it was gonna be. And they said, Adie Kingston,
• 46:02
  I'm like, okay, I get it. So you know we're gonna
• 46:06
  see We're gonna see Moxley versus FTR, and then uh Claudia versus FTR,
• 46:13
  and it's gonna be Daniel Cin and Eddi and they're gonna beat the crap out
• 46:15
  of each other for a bit, and it's gonna be one guy does one
• 46:17
  move then the next day and it's just gonna be the same thing again.
• 46:21
  To me, it really is a waste of time to do that kind of
• 46:23
  a match, especially, you know, when it's everybody knows what's gonna happen.
• 46:28
  They're probably gonna have the Blackpool called back Club beat somebody from str and
• 46:34
  it just goes on. I I don't know. It's to me, it's
• 46:37
  not really gonna make or break the show. It could if they didn't have
• 46:39
  it, you know, if they had some other show, if they had
• 46:43
  some other matches announced, it might make it more interesting, but as of
• 46:47
  right now, that's the only match we got. Yeah, Alex, I
• 46:52
  mean, what are your thoughts. I'll I have something that I want to
• 46:55
  say specifically about this, But yeah, I'm happy to see FTR wrestle at
• 47:02
  all. I just love FTR, so put him out there with anyone,
• 47:07
  I'm happy. And I just like the weird matchup of Eddie Kingston and FTR.
• 47:13
  I don't know if he's actually going to get along with them. I
• 47:15
  could see him or them, you know, fighting with each other. So
• 47:22
  yeah, I think it's it's kind of a nothing match, because yeah,
• 47:24
  it is just a match to set up the pay per view, But I
• 47:29
  think it'll be fun, more fun than some of the other things that they
• 47:32
  could throw out there. Yeah, well this is to come a little bit
• 47:37
  out of left field, but I promise that there is a point related to
• 47:40
  this match. Did you guys see the backstage picture of QT Marshall at Collision
• 47:49
  from last week? Yeah, the guy looks like he's chiseled out of granite.
• 47:54
  Now he has done a completely different change. I can't remember who's training
• 48:00
  him, but he is going through extensive training and this same trainer is working
• 48:06
  with Eddie Kingston. CA Yeah much for a w dark wrestler. Yeah,
• 48:16
  so anyway, he is training Eddie Kingston. So hopefully, uh, over
• 48:22
  the next several months, Eddie Kingston will get you know, some agility and
• 48:30
  muscle and wrestling ability and be able to actually go out there and perform.
• 48:37
  So but my opinion on this is the same opinion I have, you know,
• 48:42
  frankly and every Eddie Kingston match ever, as soon as Eddie Kingston's little
• 48:47
  music hits when he comes to the ring, the TV gets a nice channel
• 48:53
  change. But I do pay attention to the live chat because because it's kind
• 48:58
  of funny saying, oh, a chop, another chop, another chop,
• 49:01
  another chop. Imagine that chops from Eddie Kingston, who do and then a
• 49:06
  surprise roll up win And then I know, once the count of three has
• 49:10
  happened, I could turn a TV back onto AW would watch. So there
• 49:15
  you go. Question, is it what is it that so many people,
• 49:22
  some of you all included, have against Eddie Kingston Kelson? I know with
• 49:30
  you, but what is it that you all don't like about Eddie Kingston?
• 49:35
  Well, I will say what I will go to the others, but I
• 49:38
  will say my part because it's very simple. I watch AW primarily for the
• 49:45
  wrestling, and Eddie Kingston can't wrestle period. Yeah, And I like Eddie
• 49:53
  Kingston like I don't love him. I was happy to see him win the
• 49:59
  turn Man. I wanted him to win more than Danielson or Moxley. But
• 50:05
  I kind of like Eddie is like an underdog a little bit more. I
• 50:08
  don't hate his chops because I feel like, if you're gonna chop, you
• 50:12
  should hit guys hard, and he does hit guys very hard. Have you
• 50:19
  seen the machine gun chops? The machine gun chops not included. I think
• 50:24
  that's just yeah, Eddie Kingston is obsessed with nineties Japanese wrestling Junaki Yama like
• 50:34
  Masawa Kobashi, so he kind of copies that stuff, and I don't really
• 50:37
  love that. But I think Eddie Kingston as a wrestlers maybe not my favorite,
• 50:43
  but I think he's good, and I think he's a great character,
• 50:46
  and I think he cuts great promos. So I like Eddie Kingston. I
• 50:50
  don't hate him as much A million times I love I love Eddie Kingston's promos.
• 50:54
  But if he wants to wrestle Kiobasa or whatever, go to Japan and
• 51:00
  uh yeah and do it. Not an eight of you. It's no place
• 51:02
  for it there. You've seen once one Eddie Kingston match. You've literally seen
• 51:08
  every single match for the last fifty years exactly. Eddie reminds me of your
• 51:14
  crazy uncle who tries to get into wrestling. Uh. He just picks and
• 51:22
  and he's just all over the place. The machine gun chops are cool ones,
• 51:27
  but he keeps on doing them, and I just I don't they don't
• 51:30
  seem like they hurt. I thought, Uh, you know, he didn't
• 51:34
  do the crispin wall type where he just leaves. He's just not interested.
• 51:39
  To me, he just you know, your old crazy uncle who thinks he's
• 51:44
  a wrestler and wants to fight all the time, and he does do good
• 51:49
  good promos. I will give you that, but he's just not my cup
• 51:52
  of tea. And like I said before, I would have rather him not
• 51:55
  want to count no Classic. I think they're giving him and all a branch
• 52:00
  and just want him to do it. But I don't think I don't understand
• 52:04
  his popularity the fan base. But that's just me, all right. I
• 52:13
  think the popularity, I think the popularity that Eddie Kingston comes down to the
• 52:16
  fact that he does try to emulate eighties and nineties wrestling because he's the link
• 52:23
  to the older folks that are wrestling watching wrestling now that aren't being set because
• 52:28
  you don't see that in the other place. You don't see it at all.
• 52:30
  You don't see any of that. And like FTR, I see where
• 52:32
  they can mesh them because FTR tries to do the same thing, or that's
• 52:36
  what they used to be when they first came in. They wanted to be
• 52:38
  you know, we're the tag team that does things the way you're supposed to
• 52:42
  hold the tag groupe. Yeah, you know, that was what they were.
• 52:45
  They're gone, I can see. I don't mind Eddie. I mean
• 52:49
  I kind of figured when it gave the when he put the two titles up,
• 52:52
  that he was gonna win him again in the Continental Classic, which kind
• 52:55
  of took away from the Continental Classic for me because it was pretty much was
• 53:00
  preordained as soon as you got how many matches did they have? Twenty five
• 53:04
  matches, but you all know that he's gonna win. So that kind of
• 53:07
  was a you know, next year they're gonna have it so that the aw
• 53:12
  champ, whoever they aw champ is, is in the tournament. That's that's
• 53:16
  what they said they're gonna do. I don't know. I like, I
• 53:20
  don't mind Eddie. I like his promos because and that's the other thing he's
• 53:23
  kind of like to me, he kind of reminds me of what like,
• 53:28
  uh, Dusty Rhodes was he does there his promos don't try to over impress
• 53:34
  people. He just he's trying to be that blue collar work guy and trying
• 53:38
  to hit the ish, and I think that's what he does. He's a
• 53:42
  popular guy. I mean, there's no denying that people love Eddie. They
• 53:45
  love him, But you know, I don't know. I wasn't really that
• 53:50
  big a fan of FTR when they first started either, but they've kind of
• 53:53
  grown on me a little bit. Yeah, you know the thing here,
• 53:57
  Look, I say earlier in the show that I suck at predictions, but
• 54:02
  I I picked Eddie Kingston to win the tournament, and I also predicted him
• 54:07
  to lose his first match in the tournament. I did not. I took
• 54:10
  me to my surprise that he lost the second match in the tournament, the
• 54:15
  Continental Classic. But yeah, I mean it was just written on the wall.
• 54:22
  And you know, I'm Brian Danielson's blood that that Eddie Kingston was goin
• 54:28
  that tournament from the very get go. I just I don't know if I
• 54:34
  want to spare Bessy Rose myself, that's a long shot, But I was
• 54:38
  I remember watching in the eighties and I don't remember wrestler's acting like wrestling the
• 54:45
  same way that Eddie Kingston did, So I don't know. You know,
• 54:50
  Eddie Kingston has a look of an eighties wrestler or the late seventies early early
• 54:54
  eighties wrestler. But here's the point. You know, this is one thing
• 54:59
  you said that that you know he was like a throwback to the eighties wrestlers.
• 55:04
  No, he isn't, because there's eighties wrestlers that are on the aw
• 55:07
  roster all a lot better. You're right, But there's one thing. But
• 55:13
  one thing I gotta say about that, though, is this he is still
• 55:15
  a throwback because think, go back to the eighties, you had a you
• 55:20
  were playing a character. He's playing a character. He's not. I mean,
• 55:22
  he's playing himself, but he's almost a larger than life character street guy.
• 55:28
  That's where he's supposed to be. And there were more guys like Eddie
• 55:32
  in the eighties than there were guys that were superstars like and even like the
• 55:37
  superstars like Cogan. Hogan couldn't wrestle to save his ass. He had four
• 55:42
  movies. Well so does Kingston, but Kingston's. But the difference is Kingston's
• 55:47
  kind of like your jobber who got lucky. He's kind of like a bawler
• 55:52
  they gave a title to. I mean exactly, that's that's who we reminded
• 55:57
  me of. It was the Brooklyn Brawler. Yeah, I can see that.
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  Yep, answer your question that. I'm sure you're glad that you asked
• 56:05
  it. Yeah, Yeah, I like to know the other side of the
• 56:10
  fence. So yeah, I am, I am glad, and I appreciate
• 56:15
  everyone's opinions. I think you all are wrong. But heyt List, you
• 56:22
  didn't calls idiots. No, I that's that was good. I like that.
• 56:31
  That was funny. I'm a man, damn it. I'm preordained to
• 56:36
  be wrong, especially when a woman asked me a question. Oh, it's
• 56:40
  like I can't I succumb to the pressure. Well, look, Alex,
• 56:47
  let me ask you a question. We got will Osprey coming to make an
• 56:52
  appearance tomorrow night. Let's just do a short prediction here. We have a
• 56:57
  we have a topic on the a w fat up subber adit right now,
• 57:00
  and basically the question is is will Osprey going to turn on the don Cows
• 57:07
  family? And it just seems almost use this tarb again preordained that he is,
• 57:13
  uh, But then some people are saying that maybe he won't and Taqushta
• 57:16
  will turn on the kylis Hemily. Now we know that Takeshta and Ausbury are
• 57:22
  going to have a match at Revolution, but we're not going to talk about
• 57:25
  that right now. We're going to talk about tomorrow night. Do you think
• 57:29
  that we may see signs of him? Maybe a face turn from will Osprey
• 57:34
  tomorrow night. Yeah, I think yeah. Like that's the big question is
• 57:38
  when he shows up, is he telling the crowd off. I think we
• 57:45
  saw him on Twitter he said he's coming to Huntsville but with the c Yeah,
• 57:52
  so that that implies that don't play hell yeah, that's play yield turn.
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  Uh yeah. So I think, yeah, we're going to see some
• 58:04
  heel tendencies from him coming in tomorrow night. But I think I can see
• 58:13
  that quickly going the other way and him becoming more of a faith So that's
• 58:17
  kind of my prediction. Yeah, I mean like that. Would you agree
• 58:22
  that with the popularity and the anticipation of will Osprey that is good. This
• 58:30
  is what a lot of people are saying, you know, in the community,
• 58:32
  that having will Osbury come in as a heel would be a missed opportunity
• 58:37
  for some excitement. I don't think so. I think he can be exciting
• 58:45
  as a heel. I mean, and it keeps you wondering what he's going
• 58:52
  to do next. You know, is this going to be the week that
• 58:55
  he betrays someone? You know? Is is this the week he's going to
• 59:01
  show what he's really up to? It? No, I I think he'd
• 59:07
  be fine as a heel coming into it. I think he can pull it
• 59:12
  off. Okay, so you think he could pull it off, But do
• 59:15
  you want him to be a heel? I wouldn't mind it, Okay,
• 59:24
  I wouldn't mind it. Yeah. I think the one thing to me is
• 59:29
  that we have a lot of heels, and especially like top of the card
• 59:35
  heels in a w like this, this triple threat match Samoa Joe Adam Page.
• 59:42
  If if he's there and swerve, they're basically all heels right them right
• 59:49
  now. And he just like broke into someone's house and threatened Adam Page's house.
• 59:57
  I don't call him less of a heel, but yeah, so there's
• 1:00:01
  really room for will Aspray to be a big time facing aw. That's just
• 1:00:07
  kind of how I'm seeing it right Well, you know, go ahead,
• 1:00:15
  that go ahead. Oh. I was going to say, Hangman isn't quite
• 1:00:20
  a heel yet either, So I don't know. Hangman is still kind of
• 1:00:27
  on the fence, and I think he doesn't. He have an announcement tomorrow.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah, we'll talk about that. We will talk about that. I
• 1:00:37
  wanted to ask Sutton a question because Sutton and I are of the same age,
• 1:00:39
  and he watched a lot of the older wrestlers. And I don't know
• 1:00:44
  if you had the same experience as I do, but back when I started
• 1:00:47
  watching wrestling, you could have eight championship belts in a promotion, and the
• 1:00:53
  heels had pretty much all eight of them. It was a heel dominated world.
• 1:00:59
  And for the longest time in AW you would have with the I think
• 1:01:02
  seven championship belts at AW has. I may be wrong there it was only
• 1:01:06
  like two heels that had belts, so well, I'm of the mind you're
• 1:01:12
  right that was what it was like. I mean, you had Okay,
• 1:01:14
  I can think back to those days when Bruno San Martino was a face.
• 1:01:22
  You know, there's that's pretty much the only one that had a belt forever
• 1:01:25
  that was a face. Back in those days, you had Harley Race probably
• 1:01:31
  next to Flair, was probably the second most dirtiest player in the game,
• 1:01:36
  and Race held it was everywhere. You know. My problem with AW and
• 1:01:42
  my son and I talk about this all the time, there are way too
• 1:01:44
  many heels in AW. You have you have eighty five percent of the roster
• 1:01:50
  or heels, and you can't you can't keep putting on good shows if everybody's
• 1:01:55
  a heel, because if you have so many heels, then you start having
• 1:02:00
  the people really get by. Like the only person I can think of that
• 1:02:04
  actually pulled it off the best was Stone Cold. He was healed, but
• 1:02:07
  everybody treated him his face. He was still over. But when you've got
• 1:02:13
  like at the time you were talking about, you had Jade car Gill,
• 1:02:15
  you had Britt Baker, you had uh trying to think of the back when
• 1:02:22
  those two were champions, who was the tag team champions? But in the
• 1:02:27
  women's division, they kind of did that with those two as heels. They
• 1:02:32
  weren't good at it and it kind of ruined those titles for a little while.
• 1:02:37
  And then you know, if you have so many, that's just like
• 1:02:39
  the whole thing with the tag team titles. I don't see them. You
• 1:02:43
  know, nobody wants to see the Bucks happening because the Bucks don't need them
• 1:02:46
  putting. Like normally, if you're retiring, you want to wrestle somebody that
• 1:02:51
  you that needs put over, to put them you know, get that last
• 1:02:53
  loss, put them over and move on. There's nothing gained in that.
• 1:02:58
  If anybody, anybody that the Bucks wrestle is going to be put over though,
• 1:03:02
  that's what they do. No, no, no, I'm saying that
• 1:03:06
  you don't have any reasons for Sting to lose to the Bucks, right,
• 1:03:09
  you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you don't they they Sting doesn't need
• 1:03:13
  to lose to put the Bucks over. The Bucks are already over regardless of
• 1:03:15
  how you run them. Now, if he was going up against Starks and
• 1:03:19
  Big Bill, I can see him losing that match because that puts Starks and
• 1:03:22
  Big Bill over and go from there. But you're I disagree with you because
• 1:03:27
  if Stark's a big Bill win that that match, they're nowhere near as good
• 1:03:32
  as the Bucks. And the Bucks could then put anybody that challenges them over,
• 1:03:37
  whereas Starks a Big Bill simply would not be able to do that.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah. I get that, but yeah, I'm not thinking ahead of that
• 1:03:46
  match. I'm just thinking that last match. But you're right about the number
• 1:03:50
  of the Heels being champions. I mean, Chris Jericho, second guy to
• 1:03:53
  win, was a Heel. He wanted he wanted to. He won the
• 1:03:57
  original aw championship. He was the first. So you had a Heege champ
• 1:04:00
  from the beginning. And then you know Keny Omega is kind of a tweener.
• 1:04:06
  The Bucks, depending on which way they want to go, are tweeners.
• 1:04:11
  I mean it's a lot different now than it was back then, right
• 1:04:15
  because back you were cut, you're either he or face. There wasn't no
• 1:04:17
  in between. Right. Let me let me let me go ahead and get
• 1:04:21
  m K in here so he can get his two cents in. I don't
• 1:04:26
  need lit Osprey to be a John Cena baby pace, but I think you
• 1:04:32
  could prow the line of like MJS did and be a Marmie jerk or whatever
• 1:04:41
  word that they would use over there in England. But uh, you know,
• 1:04:46
  he's good enough that he would say I'm good enough, you know,
• 1:04:49
  prove it in the ring type of guy. But he doesn't need to be
• 1:04:51
  a John Cena baby face. The baby face run for him and kind of
• 1:04:57
  breaking away in like United Kingdom or or whatever it called his group, UH
• 1:05:03
  run with him and break away from uh Pallas would be great. Yeah,
• 1:05:11
  okay, So the last thing on the agenda to talk about tonight, I
• 1:05:16
  want to I want to try to wrap this up pretty soon. So we're
• 1:05:19
  just going to skip ahead too, and Adam Page is going to make his
• 1:05:23
  announcement of his intentions or his status for Revolution, if you guys aren't aware
• 1:05:28
  of it. He hurt his ankle in his last match, was reported that
• 1:05:34
  he was fine, and the reason why he hurt his ankle was because some
• 1:05:40
  kind of personal issue may have may preclude him from participating in Revolution. Frankly
• 1:05:46
  speaking, whenever they do this, Alex, it usually means that he's gonna
• 1:05:53
  announce that he's not going to be there. What do you think, uh
• 1:05:57
  Kelson? I think I would be really disappointed if he's not in this match,
• 1:06:02
  because you know, they've been setting up the whole Swerve versus Hangman.
• 1:06:09
  Hangman's like so angry at Swerve for all the horrible things he's done to him
• 1:06:14
  and now he wants to cost him the title. It all, by all
• 1:06:17
  means like that's kind of the whole reason for this world title feud. So
• 1:06:23
  if Hangman's not a part of it and it's just Swerve versus Samoa Joe,
• 1:06:28
  that's still like a cool match and maybe Swerve wins, but I don't know,
• 1:06:32
  just take a lot away from the match. So I'd be pretty disappointed.
• 1:06:36
  I can see sorry that throw me off a second. I can see
• 1:06:47
  I can see Hangman taking an injury and then coming back in the match and
• 1:06:56
  Austin for the match because he said he will do it anything in all costs
• 1:07:00
  to make sure. So if he's taking an injury or or whatever, I
• 1:07:05
  could see him do that as well. Yeah, I can. I can
• 1:07:12
  say that. What about you, Nett? Yeah, I think Hangman is
• 1:07:19
  going to do something to Swerve. I think Swerve is his target, and
• 1:07:29
  yeah, I think he he may act like he's not going to participate in
• 1:07:33
  that match and just come out of left field and maybe call cost Swerve the
• 1:07:41
  match against Samoa Joe. But I'm I don't know. It's been hard to
• 1:07:46
  tell with with Hangman because he seems to be going through something so right,
• 1:07:57
  I don't know, he's he's emotional. Yeah, an AA meeting that night,
• 1:08:01
  and he may not be able to make the show. Oh lord,
• 1:08:10
  it's true anyway, it could be true. SD. What do you got
• 1:08:14
  for us, Bud? I don't know. Uh, I'm not really liking
• 1:08:19
  the way they're going with Hangman. I just don't like the character the direction
• 1:08:24
  of his character is going. But I do think that's that's a very big
• 1:08:27
  possibility that he's going to come out tomorrow night. You say, I've heard
• 1:08:30
  my ankle. I got to do this, and then on Sunday he's going
• 1:08:33
  to show up and screw uh in the match. If he's not in the
• 1:08:41
  match, I swear winning. Yeah. Well, we will talk about our
• 1:08:46
  predictions for the full card, because I'm hoping that they announce more matches tomorrow
• 1:08:53
  night for a Revolution, especially like I really do think that what match is
• 1:08:58
  a possibility actually for something like zero hour would be Brian Gage against Hook for
• 1:09:02
  the FTW title. So, but we're gonna wrap this up, but before
• 1:09:06
  we go, I did want to take a couple of minutes to make it
• 1:09:10
  a little bit of a personal statement. Yesterday we lost a true legend in
• 1:09:16
  the wrestling ring. Ole Anderson passed away at the age of eighty one.
• 1:09:23
  He was for this old guy. He was a mainstay on my TV on
• 1:09:29
  Saturdays on TBS when I was watching Georgia Championship Wrestling, a great heel,
• 1:09:39
  a good promo in the years when promos just were everything because they just didn't
• 1:09:45
  wrestle that much back then. And you know what, I love to hate
• 1:09:53
  Ole Anderson. I love to hate Oi and Gen Anderson and Lars Anderson and
• 1:10:00
  arn Anderson. I love to hate the Minnesota Wrecking Crew. I loved Larsen,
• 1:10:05
  loved Ollie Anderson, and as a wrestler, there was none better what
• 1:10:13
  he did. You may or may not agree with what he believed in inside
• 1:10:18
  his own home, but in the ring he was a master. Thank you,
• 1:10:25
  Olie. You'll be missed. And that is how we're gonna wrap things
• 1:10:30
  up on Ignition. Thank you guys for coming. We'll see you tomorrow night.
• 1:10:36
  So for this episode, this is Kelson Alex. Good night, everybody,
• 1:10:45
  good night, good night.