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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman & Lindahl 1-3-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald is our Broncos insider.
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  Speaker 2: Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five Pro Football The Insider.
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  Speaker 3: I've covered the league a little while.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff Legwald too cute. Let's dial down the cue and
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  Speaker 4: just play football.
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  Speaker 2: Brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers,
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  Speaker 2: starting with the job and with a career RVDW Local
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  Speaker 2: sixty eight. It's Leggy, Yeah, Yeah, yeah. On Altitude Sports
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  Speaker 2: Radio ninety two five.
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  Speaker 3: It's time to get up, Get up, Get out.
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  Speaker 1: Broncos and Chiefs Sunday to twenty five, a Nansen Romo affair.
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs have a thousand names on the injury report. Broncos
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  Speaker 1: have to have it. Interesting subplots all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us right now to preview this game, Jeff Legwald
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  Speaker 1: of ESPN, What up, Leggy, Now we're doing We're doing great, Leggy.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to the Broncos screen game? Why has it
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  Speaker 1: been so bad the last couple of weeks?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: Man? I think? You see what you know NFL defenses
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  Speaker 3: due to people there. You've got a lot of teams
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  Speaker 3: playing the percentages right now, and the Broncos lean on
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  Speaker 3: the screen game heavily and people know it and you
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  Speaker 3: can either you know, punish people for challenging the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage like that, or you know you're gonna have to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, run at them or do more through the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the field especially, And I think you're just
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  Speaker 3: seeing that teams are playing the percentages of what they've
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  Speaker 3: seen on the film. What the Broncos are comfortable with
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  Speaker 3: what they use. I mean on first down, first and
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  Speaker 3: second down. It's become you know, I think people are
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  Speaker 3: even sort of predicting it. I look at the game
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  Speaker 3: video and I see defenders just charging as soon as
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  Speaker 3: they see the running back or somebody or the receiver
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  Speaker 3: move out into that spot. So I think it's just
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  Speaker 3: a matter of they've used it a lot and people
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  Speaker 3: are are sort of ready for it.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Jeff, what warning from your long career would
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  Speaker 5: you give the Broncos. It sounds like from everything coming
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  Speaker 5: out of there, they don't need any warning. But you
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  Speaker 5: ever get nervous about a game like this just feels
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  Speaker 5: like a weird game. You're talking about a championship caliber
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  Speaker 5: team going for their third Super Bowl in a row,
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  Speaker 5: sitting at their roster. Do you do you think this
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  Speaker 5: team's focused with the right mindset. I mean, I would
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  Speaker 5: imagine they're being let up, but we've seen weird things
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  Speaker 5: in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think on the surface, they appear
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  Speaker 3: to understand what's going on. Andy. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: the real question of all of it is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how how sort of comfortable in the moment are the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos If the Bengals win tomorrow? You know, when that
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  Speaker 3: just that shets it up even a little more that
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  Speaker 3: you know, then a loss means you're out of the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs officially. So I think that's some of it. Something
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  Speaker 3: that has bearing on this game too, is that they
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  Speaker 3: have played tight at times this season, and this is
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  Speaker 3: not a game you would want to play tight, because
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  Speaker 3: the team with the championship chops is going to be
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  Speaker 3: far more relaxed in this situation. And I think some
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  Speaker 3: of it is how interested is Andy Reid in the
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  Speaker 3: sort of contesting everything. If the Broncos get an early lead,
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  Speaker 3: does Reed just say, okay, well, you know, the Chiefs
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  Speaker 3: are going to run the ball the last thirty plays
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  Speaker 3: on offense and get on the bus and go and
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  Speaker 3: get out of here. You know. I think that's some
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  Speaker 3: of it too. If the games contested, you know, into
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  Speaker 3: the second half, I think the Chiefs stay engaged and
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  Speaker 3: try to win because I think they would see value
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  Speaker 3: mat for the players getting the playoff of the playing time.
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  Speaker 3: So I think those are the two things that that
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  Speaker 3: are you know, out front when you want to want
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  Speaker 3: to see how the game's gonna go. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: think chiefly, you know, how loose and comfortable are the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos gonna play? With very few people having been in
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  Speaker 3: these kinds of moments.
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  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is going to start this game tomorrow. Carson
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  Speaker 1: Wentz an old Doug Peterson guy in Philadelphia. Peterson obviously
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  Speaker 1: off the Andy Reid tree. So you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there was intentionality on the part of Kansas City to
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  Speaker 1: go and get Carson Wentz to beat Patrick Mahomes backup.
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  Speaker 1: He's more athletic than most guys to typically back up
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. He can make plays with his feet. He
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  Speaker 1: has one career start against Denver, granted it was pre
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  Speaker 1: acl but he threw four touchdown passes that game. Leggy,
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  Speaker 1: what should we be on the lookout for with Carson
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  Speaker 1: Wentz getting a start tomorrow and an opportunity to make
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  Speaker 1: himself some money.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, that's if you're a quarterback with
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  Speaker 3: starting experience in the NFL right now and you're not
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  Speaker 3: currently a starter, You're you're seeing what the reclamation market
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  Speaker 3: is right now and how successful it can be if
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  Speaker 3: you're in the right if you play your way into
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  Speaker 3: the right spot. And I'm sure that's on his mind.
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  Speaker 3: You can't look at Darnold and Baker Mayfield and and
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  Speaker 3: you know, even Jared Goff to a certain extent, you
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  Speaker 3: can't look at what those guys are doing and not
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  Speaker 3: sink if you've been a starting quarterback that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I can get the mojo back as it were. So
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  Speaker 3: I would certainly think that's on his mind. But you
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  Speaker 3: know that said, I think the Broncos will be aggressive
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  Speaker 3: in the rush because they've been aggressive with most everybody
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  Speaker 3: this year. But you know, and I think they will
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  Speaker 3: be aware of his of his movement skills, because that's
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  Speaker 3: the one thing. They can't let a quality pass rush
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  Speaker 3: get away from them because they don't stay in their
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  Speaker 3: lanes and they're not disciplined. Because you don't want him
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  Speaker 3: running around making plays off schedule when you had things defended.
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  Speaker 3: You know, on the first read, you don't want him
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  Speaker 3: to be able to get free and running around for
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  Speaker 3: the second read or the or the scramble for the
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  Speaker 3: chief first downs. You know, Burrow got a couple got
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  Speaker 3: away a couple of times last weekend in big moments
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  Speaker 3: because they went a little too deep into the into
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  Speaker 3: the pass rush off the edge.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was wild.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Carson Wentz has had a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: a success. I just can't get over that twenty seventeen game,
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  Speaker 5: I guess is what I what I always think back
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  Speaker 5: to their LEGI where he just went off against the Broncos.
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  Speaker 4: You are dealing with, You are dealing with a veteran quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: But let me ask you this, though, seriously, how how
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  Speaker 5: deep you think this Chiefs team is? Again, they've got
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  Speaker 5: to be deep enough to be good enough to be
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  Speaker 5: are they fifteen and one?
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  Speaker 4: Right now? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: How deep are they?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 5: Because everybody keeps telling us that this Chiefs team isn't
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  Speaker 5: as good as they have been, and it appears that
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  Speaker 5: might be true by the scores, but not by the record.
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  Speaker 5: How deep is this Chiefs team?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's my you know, you know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the same people saying that stuff around here never said
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  Speaker 3: a word in twenty fifteen, when the Broncos had nine
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  Speaker 3: of twelve wins were by seven points or fewer. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: nobody had ever said, you know, that gets lost in
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  Speaker 3: the midst of history, you know. I people have been
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  Speaker 3: telling me all year that these Chiefs aren't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like super good, and yet.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think they were last year and they won
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  Speaker 1: the damn Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I maybe our just level of expectation
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  Speaker 3: of the magic they're supposed to be bringing every week
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  Speaker 3: is is off the charts. But I think the biggest
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  Speaker 3: thing they have that you don't get any other way
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  Speaker 3: is championship degree. I mean they their roster is filled
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  Speaker 3: with people who've done nothing but prepare for one and
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  Speaker 3: done games and the biggest of moments, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that has value. I think that's the value they have
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  Speaker 3: of their backups, And I think that makes you deep
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  Speaker 3: in some ways, because maybe your backups aren't graded as
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  Speaker 3: highly as some other players in the league, but they
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  Speaker 3: score much higher on the stress meter of what they've
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  Speaker 3: dealt with. I mean, they this is one of the
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  Speaker 3: winningest teams in the league. All they've done is win
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  Speaker 3: one and done games. So I don't think they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be and backups. Know, in the NFL, the best way
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  Speaker 3: to play your way into a bigger deal is to
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  Speaker 3: play well when you get the opportunity, because everybody sees it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, GM see it, the guys signing or making
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  Speaker 3: contract see it. There's a million cases of somebody having
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  Speaker 3: a big game and a backup role at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the season. Who turns that into a big contract,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the next year. So I just I guess
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  Speaker 3: I just don't buy the notion of you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's the JV Chiefs In some ways, yes, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: anytime Maholmes isn't on the field, it's different. But they still,
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  Speaker 3: I think are are good enough to have overcome all
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  Speaker 3: of the injuries they've had this year. It's still be
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  Speaker 3: fifteen and one.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwell brought to you by the International Brotherhood of
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  Speaker 1: Electrical Workers IBEW Local sixty eight. Start with a job
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  Speaker 1: and with a career, Leggy, we were kicking this around
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  Speaker 1: before Courtland Sutton is eighty two yards away from a
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  Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars bonus by hitting one thy sixty
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  Speaker 1: five receiving yards on the season. He's got another bonus
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  Speaker 1: two hundred grand if he scores three touchdowns. If he
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  Speaker 1: has three receiving touchdowns, that one feels a little less likely.
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  Speaker 1: You've covered the league a long time, Leggy. The these
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  Speaker 1: sorts of contractual incentives which always come up this time
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  Speaker 1: of year. How big a deal are these to the
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  Speaker 1: locker room?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a big deal. And if you if you
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  Speaker 3: pull a guy and he doesn't get it, Uh, it
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  Speaker 3: can be an issue you've got to address. If you're
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  Speaker 3: a coach. Now, a lot of times they know pull
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  Speaker 3: a guy, but they will have already told him, we're
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  Speaker 3: paying you the bonus. You know, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 3: We got bigger things to worry about, you know, bigger
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  Speaker 3: games were there for. We want you to have some rests.
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  Speaker 3: So sometimes teams will just tell the player, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: pay you the bonus anyway, so if we pull you
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  Speaker 3: from the game, don't get excited. So that's that's how
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  Speaker 3: a lot of teams handle it. I will say, it's
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  Speaker 3: been a lot of time since I seen anybody with
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  Speaker 3: what you know. You know Smith has on the line
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  Speaker 3: in Seattle. He's got six million dollars worth of bonus
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  Speaker 3: is riding on the on the.
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  Speaker 1: Finale, two million dollars for each category. So this is
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  Speaker 1: what he needs. He needs one hundred and eighty six
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  Speaker 1: passing yards to get a career high in passing yards.
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  Speaker 1: His current completion percentage is seventy percent, which is a
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  Speaker 1: career high. He's got to keep that up to be
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  Speaker 1: able to make that bonus. But yeah, there's there's a
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  Speaker 1: nice amount of cash available for Geno Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets another two mil for the tenth win. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's unbelievable, but I'm not sure I've seen
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  Speaker 3: that in quite a long time.
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  Speaker 1: That's something to play for right there. Six mil. That's
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  Speaker 1: you better go out and perform there, Gino.
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  Speaker 3: The Broncos don't have anybody in that boat. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think Sutton's got the most on the line of
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  Speaker 3: the of the things I've looked over so far for them.
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  Speaker 3: But but yeah, that's usually something if you're gonna yankee
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  Speaker 3: guy and you don't have already said you're gonna pay him.
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  Speaker 3: But it can be a big issue in the locker room.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, what do you think of the Pro bowlers? It
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  Speaker 4: made it for the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: Now again, I know you're gonna probably also start out
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  Speaker 5: with how the heck does Zach Allen not make the
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  Speaker 5: Pro Bowl? But pretty impressive list for a team that
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  Speaker 5: wasn't getting a lot of attention preseason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that the guys who made it
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  Speaker 3: are certainly you know, sirtain Is just write that in
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  Speaker 3: with a sharpie until he's you know, older, a lot older.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, Benito's had that kind of year that
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  Speaker 3: should be recognized. And certainly mims Is He's on a
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  Speaker 3: very short list of the top returners in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, those makes sense. I think, you know the
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  Speaker 3: other you know, Zach Allen will be a guy who
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  Speaker 3: could potentially be a first team All Pro and not
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  Speaker 3: have been named to the Pro Bowl. That has happened
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  Speaker 3: to some Broncos. Justin Simmons was the second team All
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  Speaker 3: Pro and did make the Pro Bowl, and Garrett Bowles
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  Speaker 3: has been a second team All Pro and not made
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  Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl. So it does happen. But Zach Allen
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  Speaker 3: should be on every you know, All Pro Pro Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: whatever team you're making, he should be on it. And
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  Speaker 3: I think Quinn Minors, yeah, was probably definitely worthy. And
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  Speaker 3: I gotta believe both of those guys at some point
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  Speaker 3: if the Broncos could keep winning, I gotta believe those
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  Speaker 3: guys will have Pro Bowls in their future because especially
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  Speaker 3: the way they're playing.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Patrick Tartan has overtaken TJ. Watt as
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  Speaker 1: the favorite to win Defensive Player of the Year. How
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  Speaker 1: about that at some books out there, So something to
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  Speaker 1: keep an eye on right there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's not a metric. You know. The thing
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  Speaker 3: with Certan is sometimes players who prevent the ball from
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  Speaker 3: appearing have a harder time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he his whole thing is he prevents the
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  Speaker 3: other guy from touching the ball. So that often doesn't
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  Speaker 3: result in the plays where you think about a lot.
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  Speaker 3: But when you see Joe Burrow, essentially a quarterback with
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  Speaker 3: the ability of Joe Burrow come to the line and
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  Speaker 3: essentially look and say never mind. If Certans lined up
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  Speaker 3: on the first read, I think the Broncos had at
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  Speaker 3: least three sacks that I could trace to. Burrow wanted
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  Speaker 3: whoever certain had on the first read and immediately came
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  Speaker 3: off it and the Broncos were able to sack him.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: In all honesty, like this is one space where you know,
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  Speaker 1: more metrics, more data, you know, certainly like the next
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  Speaker 1: gen stats like that stuff should be utilized more. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it is in order to be able to
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  Speaker 1: give these guys the credit that they deserve. Kind of
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  Speaker 1: to your point, like he like, they always like to
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  Speaker 1: give that award to the guys that attack, the guys
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  Speaker 1: that get sacks, because that's a big, fancy statistic, and
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  Speaker 1: clearly that is a critical part of playing NFL defense.
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  Speaker 1: It's sort of the same in basketball. They always want
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  Speaker 1: to give defensive player the year to the best shot
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  Speaker 1: blocker that is out there, and yet oftentimes the best
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  Speaker 1: defensive guards, the guys that keep guys out of the
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  Speaker 1: paint and actually maintain the team defense, those guys don't
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  Speaker 1: get an awful lot of love. It's like the evolution
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  Speaker 1: of defensive statistics, I think is only going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to help out guys like Cirtan.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think sometimes the degree of difficulty has
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  Speaker 3: to be recognized. Yeah, you know. And I've had offensive
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  Speaker 3: lineman point this out to me over the years. If
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  Speaker 3: if a pass rusher gets a sack once every sixty rushes,
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  Speaker 3: he's going.
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  Speaker 1: To the Hall of a Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But when you step back and look book, he
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  Speaker 3: had one play in the sixties where he dragged the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback down. You know, when you look at it like that,
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  Speaker 3: and when you look at what Cirtan does down to
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  Speaker 3: down against the best players offenses have to offer. Since
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  Speaker 3: Champ Bailey's ten interception season, I can say I've not
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  Speaker 3: seen anything life get the guy. And I know I've
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  Speaker 3: been on this train early with him, but you know
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  Speaker 3: it's you don't have to be a train.
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  Speaker 4: To be on Ley. You don't worry about it. Your
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  Speaker 4: trade ain't breaking down.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean the guy that the season he's having
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  Speaker 3: is phenomenal, and you know, if they can get to
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs and play in some of those games, then
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  Speaker 3: I think there would be you know, the voting's done
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  Speaker 3: by then, but I think there would be sort of
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  Speaker 3: an appreciation for what he does because you know, in
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  Speaker 3: games like that, those matchups are getting highlighted like Heyo, look,
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  Speaker 3: Team a's number one wide receiver hasn't touched the ball
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  Speaker 3: in two quarters because you know, certain's up in his business.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean that the four week run where you
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  Speaker 3: were better off throwing the ball into the ground than
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  Speaker 3: attempting to pass at him is quite the statistical anomaly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, even you look back on last week's game, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean Jamar Chase, that the numbers that he had
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  Speaker 1: when covered by certain versus being covered by anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: It was just comical when you were able to look
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  Speaker 1: at it and over the course of a season, like
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  Speaker 1: it's so funny because we look at this stuff on
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  Speaker 1: the on the week to week and we have a
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  Speaker 1: scoreboard in the betting odds that we have to be
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  Speaker 1: able to cite. But it's like, finally, it's like the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the cream rises to the top at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the season and people can look back and
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  Speaker 1: be like, this guy is absolutely shutting down, not just
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  Speaker 1: opposing receivers but opposing offenses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like okay, yeah, you know, he had
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  Speaker 3: a good week against you know, Mike Mike Evans, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in week three, but what about week not? You know,
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  Speaker 3: but it's just weak that game doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's just you know, And I think the other telling
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  Speaker 3: thing was, you know, I think like seventy percent of
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  Speaker 3: Chase's targets were when Cirtan wasn't on him. So Burrow
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  Speaker 3: is obviously making the decision to make those throws immediately
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  Speaker 3: when when he when he sees no one else, and
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  Speaker 3: I think he joins a long list of other quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: this year who've done the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, real quick, did you guys both did
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  Speaker 5: either of you watch the end season Hard Knocks episode
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: A couple ups behind? Oh, there's one point where Burrow
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: comes out I think it's near overtime.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Huh, where he calls the play.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: There is one that sucks because he goes, all right,
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: come on now, Tea because he knew t was going
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: to be his guy right away. There's another one where
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: he comes out the Broncos lineup. It's a credit advanced
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Joseph Burrow goes what the like?
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: He didn't. He could not figure out what the hell
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: are they in?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: So anyway, it was very it was interesting to see, Man,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: you know what sucks, Leggy if they could have just
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: put the matchup you probably wanted because the size was
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: certain on t Higgins. But I don't think they trusted
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: with the rusty knee that that Riley Moss can hang
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: out with Chase either.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: So uh, we saw Andy, what what the numbers look like?
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: When it wasn't Sir tam on on Chase. No, you're right,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: you're right, you can't win, you know, with that. That's
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: a game where you got to have three corners playing
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: at the top level. And I think that's if you
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: could hold a lot of offensive coordinators down on the
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: ground and make them tell the truth. I don't think
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: they want I mean defensive coordinators. They don't want the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Bengals in just because of that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't want to mess with it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: They're a way hard defensive matchup compared to some of
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: the other teams with better records.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald Everybody, brought to you by the International Brotherhood
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of Electrical Workers IBEW Local sixty eight. Start with a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: job and with a career final appearance of the regular season.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing regular about his football expertise. Jeff Legwald, everybody, Thanks
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Leggy
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Thanks Alas We'll see it.