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The Infamous Phone Call with Susie Evans · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we're
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  Speaker 2: joined by Susie Evans. We love Susie. She's also a
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  Speaker 2: Jonas fan, and I'm so glad you're here because I
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  Speaker 2: know you're genuinely Jonahs fan. I remember before you guys
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  Speaker 2: were ever public, you and Justin, I was like, you
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  Speaker 2: should date Joe Jonas because like he had Sophie wait,
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  Speaker 2: and you were like secretly dating Justin.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I think you have a chance.
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  Speaker 4: And did I tell you that I was dating Justin
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  Speaker 4: at the time or did I cool?
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  Speaker 3: You guys played it cool.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't announce me for like another like month and
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  Speaker 4: a half the same Yeah, oh that's so funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember like I hadn't really met you.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, was that the first one in person that we met?
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  Speaker 2: We went that was at the Mansion after the first
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  Speaker 2: Golden season.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that was the first, and then I think the
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  Speaker 4: last time I've seen you in person. Rightly think so, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's so, that is so crazy. But I remember like
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  Speaker 4: going over DMS with you and just being like, so,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you are so nice to share this
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  Speaker 4: information secret, like literally secrets. I was like, I love
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  Speaker 4: that you trust me with this information. And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm obsessed. I feel like we're truly bonded in our souls.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted too.
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  Speaker 4: And last night, hearing some of you know, the lore,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Weirdly, I was like, I have like
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  Speaker 4: not as cool as stories, but I'm like I also
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  Speaker 4: have very just like weird lore stories of like why
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  Speaker 4: do like this is why we were obsessed slash are obsessed?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Like it's just like it's just a lifestyle.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lifestyle. It's a choice. It's an active choice
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  Speaker 4: to be in our thirties and like still going to
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  Speaker 4: join his brother concerts.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like being in your.
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  Speaker 2: Thirties and being a Jonah's fan, which most are right,
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  Speaker 2: is the most fun because you know, we have our
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  Speaker 2: own money and we have our own free will to travel,
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  Speaker 2: and we can drink now. Yeah, you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: telling them last night, you guys, I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we had a girls dinner last night and it was
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  Speaker 2: so fun and I'm like, yeah, I'm not drinking right now.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, like I didn't feel like dehydrated after a
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  Speaker 2: flight and I was like, but tomorrow, wait do you
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  Speaker 2: see me and Jonas? So it's the only place that
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  Speaker 2: I'll really drink.
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  Speaker 4: I love that, And I was like, wait, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know that was the vibe like like time like I'll
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  Speaker 4: dance and like like okay, I love that. Yeah, We're
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  Speaker 4: gonna go to Lulu tonight. A little alcohol will be
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  Speaker 4: like oh my god, I think I think that they're
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  Speaker 4: looking at us up here, like they probably can't even
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  Speaker 4: see out twenty feet, but in our brains tonight making
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  Speaker 4: eye contacts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm like I was wondering, like if you
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  Speaker 2: ever did slid into the Joe's dms.
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  Speaker 4: Oh for sure. There are very like few celebrities that
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  Speaker 4: I have not slid into dms prior to Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: You are exactly what I would be. But I would
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  Speaker 2: be doing that single right now, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, honestly, I mean, everyone check your dms and we'll
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  Speaker 4: find out that the dms have been slid into. No,
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  Speaker 4: but when prior to Bachelor, I would think it was
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  Speaker 4: so funny because I had like not even a large feeling,
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  Speaker 4: but like.
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  Speaker 2: You were missed Virginia, so you were like had some
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  Speaker 2: pole there I had a little up like I'm certifiably
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  Speaker 2: very pretty because I've been crying.
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  Speaker 4: My friends and I would like drink at a mellow
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  Speaker 4: mushroom and eat pizza and I wouldn't know like who
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people are, but my friends would be like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you should DM this person or that person,
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  Speaker 4: and I'd be like, faygain, I do it like I
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  Speaker 4: don't care, and so we would just send out like
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  Speaker 4: in an post bachelor. I've like had to like go
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  Speaker 4: unsend things from people because I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: like that was from twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen or
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  Speaker 4: whatever year it was, and I'm like that so embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well right now pull up your messages to jo Jodds.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, oh my god, yeah, I think, oh my gosh, wait,
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  Speaker 4: you know it's let me see what it's probably the.
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  Speaker 3: Same responses to stories.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine it was this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Georgia, are you a nick Joe girl?
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  Speaker 4: I'm a Joe girl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always been eighteen years agoing strong.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you know what I've deleted? Oh no, I replied
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  Speaker 4: to their story in twenty twenty four History in twenty
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  Speaker 4: four and said.
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  Speaker 3: Obsessed did he read it.
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  Speaker 4: No, okay, But I did send a video to Nick
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  Speaker 4: Jonas once again, like not that I have. Let me
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  Speaker 4: be clear, I like rarely drink, but like when I do, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I like don't care, and I'm like, let's send a video.
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  Speaker 4: And I sent a video of my friend singing I
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  Speaker 4: jon his brother's song one time to him and I'm
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  Speaker 4: pretty sure it showed me that he viewed it, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, that's actually so embarrassing, Like it was
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  Speaker 4: actually worse that he saw that, because it was something
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  Speaker 4: that I would like maybe would have unsent in the
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  Speaker 4: morning and been like that was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: My most notable DM cringe was oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: It was on Twitter back in Oh my God. The
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  Speaker 3: time it was to that. It was when there we
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  Speaker 3: first started this show and I was single and they.
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  Speaker 2: Were having like me do reckless things like trying to
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, they thought it was really funny.
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  Speaker 3: iHeart and my like re producer, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's like my friends. They think it's so funny, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, honestly, like shoot or shoot, why not?
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  Speaker 3: They would have me.
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  Speaker 2: They were trying to like hook me up with Jimmy Garoppolo,
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  Speaker 2: which I was down with, but then they would like
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  Speaker 2: have me, you know, send dms on the microphone.
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  Speaker 4: But the most so week, the one.
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  Speaker 2: That was the most like, oh my god, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe that this happened was Ryan Phillippy, which I'm pulling
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  Speaker 2: that up right now because I think I just tweeted like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, Ryan Philpy is the hottest in the
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  Speaker 2: entire world, just like I tweeted that, yeah, like into
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  Speaker 2: the universe. Yeah, And then he responded, is December thirtieth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, we should meet?
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and then the smiley.
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  Speaker 3: Face and I go, I think that would be a
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  Speaker 3: good idea.
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  Speaker 4: You should text me what wait did he text you? Oh? Shoot?
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  Speaker 4: So that's a lot of this is like it's it
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  Speaker 4: never goes anywhere, you know what I mean. And I
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  Speaker 4: really haven't taken advantage post Bachelor. It's actually a shame
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  Speaker 4: or post divorce or post Joe divorce. Honestly, it is
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  Speaker 4: like really a shame, like I lost all my guts
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  Speaker 4: post Bachelor. Like before it was like I got nothing
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  Speaker 4: tell these and now I'm like, oh god, like what
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  Speaker 4: if they what if they were to read it? Like
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  Speaker 4: it should have been opposite.
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  Speaker 2: But look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey because he
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  Speaker 2: basically did that and like put in the universe like hey,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't we meet?
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  Speaker 4: And I would be the Travis kelce like you would.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I could see this like fairy tale happening
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  Speaker 4: for you. You never know, Okay, well, how would Justin
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  Speaker 4: feel about this very ex? Ever? Would be like can
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  Speaker 4: you imagine that? Yeah that I mean imagine being wait
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  Speaker 4: what would that be the version of like I do
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  Speaker 4: think about Travis Kelcey's ex I'm like imagine going on
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  Speaker 4: to Yeah she does, she's a she. Yeah she talks
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  Speaker 4: about their whole situation. Yeah, that's right. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that would be so hard to like see your partner
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  Speaker 4: or ex partner go be with the most as a
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  Speaker 4: person ever, Like that was like the most painful thing.
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  Speaker 4: That is the most painful thing. I think I would
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  Speaker 4: like change my career. I would like disappear. I would
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  Speaker 4: go off grid, I think, and then you'd secretly date
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  Speaker 4: Jose that Justin didn't have to say yeah exactly, yeah totally.
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  Speaker 4: I meant if it were reversed, if it were like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Mine would have to go and hiding where there was
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  Speaker 2: like a place where there was no media if my ex.
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  Speaker 4: Was dating Tyler Swifth, like I would yeah, it would
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  Speaker 4: be done. I would like, yeah, okay, hmmm, So let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about Paradise a bit Ooh I know.
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  Speaker 3: So Paradise.
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  Speaker 2: You were there for twenty four hours, and there was
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  Speaker 2: just so much that happened in twenty four hours, and
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  Speaker 2: to us, even though you were only on like two episodes,
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  Speaker 2: it felt like you had a huge storyline, particularly because
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy called you yeah, saying that he wished that like
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  Speaker 2: he'd given you the rose that like he would have proposed.
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  Speaker 3: To after one day, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: When you were watching back, Yeah, what was your reaction? So,
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  Speaker 4: I think watching it back, I was like, this is
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  Speaker 4: so funny. I was like, oh my god, to talk
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  Speaker 4: about me, Like I was like, I was like feed
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  Speaker 4: my ego. Wow. And then I was like, oh, this
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  Speaker 4: is not funny anymore. Like at first I thought it
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  Speaker 4: was very just like, oh my god, I can't believe
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  Speaker 4: they aired that, you know. I was like, that was
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  Speaker 4: such a random call. I was like in the car
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  Speaker 4: on my way to the airport when I picked up,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like asleep, Like it was a four
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  Speaker 4: hour car ride to the airport. Brutal. So I was
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  Speaker 4: like just so caught off guard. I did not think
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  Speaker 4: that it would be anything. So when it aired, I
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  Speaker 4: really was just like this is great TV. I'm like amazing,
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  Speaker 4: Like this is so funny. What's going to happen? But
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  Speaker 4: then it really became like a huge storyline, and like yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was like like part of me was like this
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  Speaker 4: is so funny that like I was there for one
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  Speaker 4: day and it's like still going and going and going.
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  Speaker 4: But then I eventually did I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: actually like this feels really dark. You know, like when
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  Speaker 4: things was just like almost get taken too far on
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  Speaker 4: the show and you're just like, oh, like that maybe
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't It really wasn't that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 4: I do think you should have told her one thousand percent.
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  Speaker 4: I think that was.
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  Speaker 2: About Bailey and how like he basically yeah, admitted that
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  Speaker 2: at one point he had stronger feelings for you, went
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  Speaker 2: ahead gave Bailey the Rose.
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  Speaker 3: Do you ever figure out why that was?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I personally, I don't think he had stronger
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  Speaker 4: feelings for me. I think that he was like.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what you're got until it's gone. To
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  Speaker 3: quote Nick.
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  Speaker 4: Jonas, literally no, that was the perfect use of that. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was just like I think he thought
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  Speaker 4: with Bailey they were really like solid, and maybe I
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  Speaker 4: came in and it was like, oh, I was excited
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  Speaker 4: to meet this person, and maybe he had hoped there
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  Speaker 4: would be more time ticket to know me. But I
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  Speaker 4: remember like on our date he even was like yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like I've been so excited to meet you, but like
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  Speaker 4: I've got something great going on with Bailey, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like okay, so like I'm going home, like that's
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  Speaker 4: totally cool, Like I respect, like I didn't feel like
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  Speaker 4: he was going to pick me, Like I was very sad,
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  Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, and like I very quickly no
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  Speaker 4: matter what the situation is, I feel like I just
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  Speaker 4: like accept my fate. I'm like I can't change this,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm I don't want if you want to pick Bailey,
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  Speaker 4: I would never like tell you something that isn't how
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  Speaker 4: I feel to get you to pick me, Like I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't do that to stick around. And so I just
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  Speaker 4: kind of was like okay, like this is just how
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  Speaker 4: this worked out for me, and if the producers won't,
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  Speaker 4: they can bring somebody in to save me right now.
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  Speaker 4: But like, you know, I really wanted to if they
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  Speaker 4: really wanted me there, Yeah, there's there's things that can
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  Speaker 4: be done, and so I was like, I'm cool with this,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm just going home. But so I don't think
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  Speaker 4: it was that he like actually felt stronger. I think
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  Speaker 4: it was that he got freaked out when she went
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  Speaker 4: on the date with Andrew and was like, oh, so
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  Speaker 4: I think it was a jealousy move. Yeah, and like
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  Speaker 4: a way I picked you and like I thought we
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  Speaker 4: were going to move forward together and now you're like
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  Speaker 4: exploring something and now I'm at risk. And then it's
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  Speaker 4: like and maybe he was just like trying to stay
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  Speaker 4: or I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: What was his relationship like with Justin.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they had a relationship prior. I think
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  Speaker 4: they had met a few times and then I think
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  Speaker 4: he's friends with like the East coast guys, and Justin's
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  Speaker 4: on the West coast. So I don't think they really
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  Speaker 4: had a friendship or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like he was trying to protect his
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  Speaker 2: feelings by not choosing you at that road ceremony.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I don't think so, No, No, And.
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  Speaker 2: How did you expect Like you obviously knew that Justin
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  Speaker 2: was going to Paradise.
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  Speaker 3: You guys both knew that you guys were going.
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  Speaker 2: I was in a sort of some similar situation with
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  Speaker 2: Jared going into our second season of Paradise where I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to pretend like I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: move on, but there's not. But I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: honest that is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So how was it in your head?
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  Speaker 4: I think maybe super naive, but like I very much
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  Speaker 4: was like dis trusting that it was going to be fine.
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  Speaker 4: Like I had said to production before going, like I
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  Speaker 4: don't want it to be in front of my face,
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  Speaker 4: and like they were like, I think there's a way
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  Speaker 4: we can make it. So it's not like.
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  Speaker 3: Carry I don't think that's ever like a thing.
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  Speaker 4: No, totally in my like I know, like I look
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  Speaker 4: back and I'm like all of it was so delusional.
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  Speaker 4: I was just so optimistic of like it's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what my Instagram bio is, I'm either
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  Speaker 2: delusion or optimistic.
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  Speaker 3: It's depending on your point of view.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I love That's that's actually so accurate for me
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  Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, because yeah, I think I just went
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  Speaker 4: in and was like it's fine and honestly even as
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  Speaker 4: I left. I mean, I have so much like footage
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  Speaker 4: of me leaving and like hanging out with the driver
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  Speaker 4: that took us to the airport, like we went got
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  Speaker 4: dinner together. Like I was like, honestly like whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like that sucked, but like it is what it is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I think going in delusional, obnistic whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was like really thinking that they were
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  Speaker 4: going to be able to keep us separate. Like I
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  Speaker 4: had thought maybe there's some kind of like two houses
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  Speaker 4: and he's going to be dating in that house. I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be in this one, and then they'll swap
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  Speaker 4: at some point, but like you know, I kind't had
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  Speaker 4: this idea of like I'm just gonna like trust so
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  Speaker 4: they know what they're doing, or one of us is.
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  Speaker 4: We also kind of thought one of us would come
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  Speaker 4: in way later, which it was me that came in later.
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  Speaker 2: That nobody liked that decision because people wanted to see
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  Speaker 2: more of you, and Justin's a great character too, so
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  Speaker 2: we kind of wanted to see more of him. And
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  Speaker 2: we felt like both of you left too early and
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  Speaker 2: then you came too late, even Ben and I like
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  Speaker 2: or I think it was Jared was co hosting with
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  Speaker 2: me that day. We were like, you know, I know
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  Speaker 2: we preached that we don't want like producer hands in it,
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  Speaker 2: but when it comes to characters like this, we need
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  Speaker 2: producer hands, and they're trying to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: keep them.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that you could have like just not
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  Speaker 4: set me in on the same day as three other girls, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: as the last person, and sent two of them out
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  Speaker 4: on dates with people during the day. So it's like
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  Speaker 4: I came in and two guys are gone and two
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  Speaker 4: girls have already done like a challenge with everybody. Like like,
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  Speaker 4: they totally could have sent me in as the first
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  Speaker 4: person and let me have a day date like and
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  Speaker 4: have more time, or they could have sent me in
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  Speaker 4: as the original cast, or they could have sent me
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  Speaker 4: in after like just like in the in where like
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  Speaker 4: Leya and Alicia, where they came in, I'm like, it
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  Speaker 4: feels like there were there were people there for them,
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  Speaker 4: where it was like, oh, there's not enough for enough
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  Speaker 4: people to go home anymore. I was kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: like there's only two of us, like Jeremy, not Jeremy,
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  Speaker 4: Jonathan and Leah. They kind of were like, well, there's
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  Speaker 4: no one else, so we're going to pair up and
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  Speaker 4: be friends. I'm like, I definitely could have been around,
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  Speaker 4: but they put me in on the same days you have.
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  Speaker 3: Been around Jonathan's.
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  Speaker 4: I could have been Jonathan's bestie. We're great friends, Like,
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  Speaker 4: we could have been besties and hung out, but it
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  Speaker 4: just wasn't in the cards for me.
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  Speaker 2: So there was no thought that maybe you and Jessin
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  Speaker 2: would get back together in Paradise.
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  Speaker 4: No. I think we both knew that, like, we couldn't
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  Speaker 4: get back together, Like we just knew that if we
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: were to ever revisit that like we have. It's like
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a real world relationship where there's things like we wouldn't
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: bring onto the television show and like, but we also
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: couldn't move forward in a relationship without having certain conversations,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: and so I'm like, I wouldn't. I don't think either
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: of us would have been open to like really restarting
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: something there.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, it.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Was the love was evident, whether it's platonic love now
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: or past lave, you know, like the love of the past,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: but it was very evident during your conversation, like the
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: love and respect that you guys have for each other.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: It was like really beautiful. I actually think that like
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: your moment together, just like talking before you left, was
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: probably like my favorite part of Paradise.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: It just felt so authentic.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's why I was, if I'm being honest,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: so confused when he offered me the rose, because there
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: was a more to that conversation as well. But I
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: do think what they showed was very beautiful, and it
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: did like kind of wrap it up in a nice
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: neat like little Bob. But I really thought that was
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: like closure, like the things he said to me where
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: he was like, you know, I've like grown so much
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: because of you, and like I'm so grateful for everything
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: that has come from this, and like he's like I
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: remember him saying, he's like I feel so guilty that
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: like I get to stay and like you might be
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: going home, And I was like, it's literally fine, Like
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: this the conversation we had made it worth it. I
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: was like we can walk away, And I was like,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: maybe this is why I came here, Like maybe it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: to get this closure and like have this like beautiful
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: conversation where you just said the most kind things to me,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: and you can move forward and I can go back
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: home and move forward in a different way. But like
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I just thought that was like like him being like
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: just just having like a closure conversation. So I was
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: so confused when everything went down at the Rows ceremony.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite things when I think about Paradise
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: is kind of seeing relationships that have evolved off camera
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: happen further on camera. I was like, yours, Kendall and Joe's,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and then there would been mine, And I just feel
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: like that's just more evidence that the Bachelor needs some
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: sort of spin off show.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Called like Bachelor in real life. Yeah, Bachelor, I R.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cute. Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: So when he did decide to give you the rose
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and he said I'm gonna leave, but I'm going to
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: give her the rose, Like, what was your like your
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: reaction was obviously shocked. How did you think that that
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: moment would Like where do you think it was gonna
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: come of that?
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I guess to me, like again, this is
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: like me literally be optimistic, delusional, whatever. I don't know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: I was not close with Lexi, but like I we'd
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: had a lot of conversations where I was like, I
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: promise you like don't feel weird, Like, do not feel weird,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Like I don't feel any way towards you, justin's amazing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: We both have worked on ourselves, and like you should
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: pursue this and like, don't feel weird about it, because
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: it's not going to stop me from being your friend.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And you're very special, very special, because I think that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like anybody out there just thinking about an X that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you have, you obviously have some sort of relationship with
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: enough that to have a conversation like we saw and
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: then you tell the new girl that like you want
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: this to happen for her is like the sweetest, kindnest
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: thing ever, and like not many people could be there
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks. I think that I would like want the same,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I guess, you know, like if it were because I
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: were both there single, so I'm like it I could
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: either really be make her uncomfortable or try to make
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: the most comfortable comfortable environment for all of us and
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: be like we're here, like we chose to make this
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: awkward decision, so you don't feel weird, Like we are
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: the weirdos that chose to come here, so like, don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: worry about it. And so when I when the rose
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: ceremony happened and he called my name. I was like,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: maybe him and LEXI like conspired this together and they're
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: trying to save me and like maybe yeah, like like
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I didn't know, and so I was like, oh my gosh,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Like no, I can't accept this. I really thought I
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: was going to go back in line and he was
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: gonna call Lexi and then they were gonna be like
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: we tried, just like we wanted to at least offer
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to say. So when I think they aired it, I
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: looked at her and I was like, wait, did you
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: talk to him? And She's like no, And I was like,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh. And then like I post everything I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: found out that I guess going into the ROA ceremonies
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: when Justin found out that Jeremy was picking Bailey, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: he was like faced with this, like oh my gosh,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Like do I pick the person that I've been building
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: a connection with? But like it feels like right, I
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: like I.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Know that a lot. He got flack, and then he
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: also got praised for the same move.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I was more in praise with it because to me,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it was just like the kindest gesture to somebody that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: he truly loves versus somebody that like he just like honestly,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: it was obvious they didn't have a future.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was It was hard for me
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: because I was like, how could you do this? Like
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how can you just a LEXI like I decide,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And I think that would have been it would have
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: felt like slap in the face, even more so for
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: me to then accept the rose and be like, yeah,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I just encouraged you like all days, Like.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I understand, I see both sides, just right and wrong
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: in both of that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I know, but I get. I totally get where he
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: was coming from because I know, like I think he
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: also knew like before going like I had never gone
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: back to Paradise, like he had gone to Paradise before,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and I think he kind of got screwed that season two.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Like I feel like Justin kind of has gotten screwed
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: on his seasons, like one of I think like one
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: full group or one full one on one was cut
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: from Katie's season, like he went to Paradise and just
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: like had kind of crap luck and then like I
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: really wanted to go to Paradise, Like I was like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I want to go and I've never done it before,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: and like I I just thought it would be the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: most fun summer, even if I didn't end up like
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: falling in love. I was like, I just like have
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: never done this and I've not gone back on TV.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I want to go. I think it's so fun. Like
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: four years almost four years, yeah, four years, Like I
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: was genuinely so excited and just like and honestly just
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: down to have fun, but like I'm not gonna like
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: hurt somebody along the way. It's kind of was kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: of my mentality. And so I think that he knew
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: we had talked about it, and I was like, I
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: know this is going to suck, but like I want
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: to do this, Like I'm I was thirty one. I
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: think at the time I'm thirty to now, but I
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: was like I'm thirty one, Like I'm not going on
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Paradise next year, you know, like I'm just not doing it,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: like this is my last chance, not chance, but like
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: this is my last opportunity to do something like this
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: is how it felt. And so I think he was
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: like realizing I got screwed over and He's like I
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: don't want you to have to like go home and
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: like lose out on the opportunity to be here.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So what was the lost of you guys talk.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: We're in communication, Like, we share so many of the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: same friends, we share the same management, we share like
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: so much of our life. So we definitely we talk.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: We see each other like, it's not awkward, it's not weird,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: and there's so much love there and we care a
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: lot about each other.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, we love that. We love that. Let's talk about
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: another X. Clayton Perfect Clayton and Rachel.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Reccia they reunited on a Perfect Match on Netflix and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: we did some breakdowns of those episodes. What did you
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: think about the two I'm sure you're familiar with the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: storyline how that went, because at first he was like, yeah, Rachel,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: let's revisit this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Then like twelve hours later he's like.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Actually, never note whiplash. That was It was really like
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: a tough watch because like I I think that I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: have like a good understanding of who Clayton is, so
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I see what's going on here, Like I
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: think that he and don't get me wrong, like we
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: all do have intuition and we should listen to it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: But I do think that maybe sometimes and I don't
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: don't know, I shouldn't like speak for him, But I'm like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: maybe sometimes like he's trying to listen to his intuition,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: but maybe it's not necessarily his intuition. Maybe it's like
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: just the thought, you know what I mean. And so
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I think he was like trying to do what he
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: thought was like the right thing, which is like to
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: listen to your gut, but maybe the gut was confused
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: with something else. I don't know, and so it was
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: it was like whiplash. And I think for him it
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: was hard for him to understand why Rachel was so hurt.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: But it's like she's been put through so much and
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: she in the fact that she took a chance on you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: It felt like I was like, oh my gosh, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you have to like be so gentle like this, you like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: she has been so hurt before. So it was really
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: like that was a hard watch for me because I
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: was like I adore both of these people, and I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: just like, why did this have to happen like that?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Like why can't we just have a better understanding or
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: like a little more I don't know, like not go
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: as fast to like jump to this being like a sign.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I was like, it's not a sign. It's producers, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Clayton, if you wanted to revisit things with Rangel,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: You've had lots of time off Camera's true too, that
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: is so true. Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: My last question for you is Bachelor Nation obviously has
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: a new bachelorette in Taylor Frankie Paul. It definitely makes
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: sense for the network to do this crossover experience.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I do think that you were on a short list
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of possible bachelorettes.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Did you ever hear from them, not post Paradise, not
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: post Paradise, but like for another season in the past, Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I think there's been twice when they've yeah, well, I'm
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I think twice they've like reached out and been like, hey,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we want to consider you for this. But I do
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: think that I have put the nail into my own
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: coffin by denying the second rowse obviously the first time
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: on Clayton season, but then this is like the second
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: time I think that I have officially like they probably
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: are like you are so annoying, like this was your
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: chance to say and you're not willing to be a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: little messy, And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, No.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I gotta follow up.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: If you were The Bachelorette and Justin were to say
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I have to go on the show, like I have
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to be in the running here, would you let him
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: on the season?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, I would have, Like I would
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: have messed with him so hard. I'd been like, perfect,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: We're gonna come up with a really great challenge, like
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I would just choose. I mean, me and Justin. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: feel like our friendship and relationship, like we clown on
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: each other so hard. So I'm like, okay, perfect, I'm
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: gonna curate the perfect date to just really mess with
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: this man. Yeah, because you know so many Yeah, I
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: would know exactly how to like make him so uncomfortable.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Even if it's a good day where it's like couples there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: God, I'd bring it, yes, exactly. I would know exactly
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: who to bring like that would be great.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: All right, Susie, you're the best. I'm so glad you're here.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And then we get to joe out together and until
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: then tonight, I've been Ashley and I've been Susy.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Bye bye.
• 26:00
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