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Disturbing trend emerging within the nursing profession · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:06
  Welcome to the tow.
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  Take a deep breath.
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  Take the higher roles.
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  It's what they always say.
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  They won't take it from me.
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  Don't ever die self-asswipping just a dream.
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  You made your own so kid can scream.
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  Google laughed with a never ending force.
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  You never have the chance to watch a win for my friend because this is whoa.
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  It's time.
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  There's something coming to the surface in nursing right now.
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  It is in burnout and it isn't just frustration.
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  There is a festering rot in our profession.
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  And it thrives wherever ego replaces ethics.
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  Nursing is a position of profound trust.
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  We are granted access to people at their most vulnerable moments, physically, emotionally, and psychologically.
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  That trust is not optional and it is not conditional.
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  It's not something that we get to set aside when it becomes inconvenient.
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  When nurses care more about clout clicks and becoming TikTok personalities, then the sacred responsibility entrusted to them.
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  Patients stop being people and start becoming props.
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  This profession was never meant to be a stage.
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  We've watched licensed nurses publicly express contempt for human life, advocate for withholding care and promote discrimination based on politics or identity.
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  And let me be very clear.
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  This is disqualifying behavior, full stop.
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  And it is wholly incompatible with the role of a nurse.
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  And this is not an isolated incident.
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  Anyone paying attention need only look at the common sections of these major nursing groups across social media to see the problem laid bare.
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  The normalization of cruelty, dehumanization, and callous rhetoric has become disturbingly common.
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  That culture is corrosive.
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  And when left unchecked, it poisons the profession from within.
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  Patients do not get to choose the beliefs, moods, or social media ambitions of the person standing at their bedside.
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  They rely on our professionalism, our restraint and our unwavering commitment to do no harm.
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  Even when we disagree, even when we are exhausted, and even when the system itself is broken and failing us.
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  Accountability is not persecution.
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  Oversight is not censorship, and upholding ethical standards is not oppression.
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  These safeguards exist precisely because of the power and responsibility and trusted to healthcare professionals.
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  And if we are serious about protecting patients, restoring public trust and preserving the soul of nursing, then we must be willing to confront this rot head on.
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  We can't excuse it, minimize it, or look away because it makes us uncomfortable.
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  Silence is not neutrality, it is complicity.
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  The profession deserves better.
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  Patients deserve better.
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  And the nurses, the ones who uphold the highest standards deserve to be protected from the damage caused by those who do not.
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  You can now submit those to us directly by emailing us at nurses at America Outloud.
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  We would love to hear from you.
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  We encourage all of you to engage in the battle and find your voice in this fight.
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  But until you're able to do that, we will continue to be that voice for you.
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  Joining me today is Nurse Carrie Marie, a registered nurse with over three decades of experience in healthcare, including service as a U.S.
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  Army reserved combat medic.
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  Carrie has worked across some of the most demanding clinical environments in this country.
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  Emergency care, ICU level settings, and frontline COVID assignments in New York City, Chicago, Texas, and throughout Florida.
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  This is not someone commenting from the sidelines.
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  This is a nurse who has been inside the system under pressure when it mattered most.
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  During the COVID era, Carrie began speaking out after witnessing what she describes as medical inconsistencies, ethical violations, and the suppression of individualized patient care.
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  In 2021, she made the difficult decision to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, standing firm on the principles of informed consent and bodily autonomy.
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  Despite professional pressure, ridicule, and discrimination.
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  That decision and her continued advocacy for patient rights and ethical medicine came at a cost.
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  She experienced censorship, shadow banning, and professional isolation.
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  Something far too many of us now quietly relate to.
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  After years of conventional treatments worsened her autoimmune condition, she pursued integrative and faith-blooded healing approaches that ultimately restored her health and reshaped her mission.
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  Today she is a recognized voice and faith-based ethical health care advocacy, focused on transparency, patient sovereignty, and restoring integrity to a profession that many of us feel is at a crossroads.
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  Carrie, thank you for being here.
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  Thank you so much for having me.
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  I look forward to this discussion.
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  I really do.
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  Absolutely.
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  I've been very much looking forward to this conversation.
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  I think that this conversation is arriving at exactly the right time.
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  And I wanted you here specifically because you know what we're seeing right now, these the license actions, these videos that we're seeing on TikTok, this uh like I will call it a moral unraveling of sorts.
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  Um, this didn't come out of nowhere.
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  It didn't come out of nowhere.
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  And you yourself, you've been sounding the alarm for years and often a great personal cost.
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  So thank you for your continued efforts in this space.
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  I we were just talking about that before the show started.
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  How I can't believe it's we can't believe it's just we're now just connecting.
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  Yeah, you know, and I actually thought about that this morning.
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  I said, I wonder what is going on here with the timing.
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  And I think that God works in mysterious ways, and I just think that now is the time for us to come together.
• 7:12
  Um, I started thinking about some of the other nurses that have come around in my corner and that I've been exposed to and meeting, and I just think that everything works in his timing.
• 7:26
  Um, so I think it just kind of motivates me even more to continue to meet nurses such as yourself that you know, I feel like we're just on the same page about so many things, and it's it's just so great to be able to meet another nurse that thinks the same way I do in terms of what is happening in this profession.
• 7:49
  And so it just gets me even more kind of revved up, if you will, because sometimes I know this is a battle that we know we're in a spiritual battle right now, and it's heavy.
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  And um, you know, there are days when I just think to myself, what am I even doing?
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  What why do I speak out?
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  It's you know, it's not it's not helping anything, it's not going anywhere, and then next thing you know, I see you on Facebook.
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  So um, I think that it's when the soldier gets weary, if you will, uh battle fatigue.
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  Um, you know, here comes the battle buddy.
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  So I have a new battle buddy with you.
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  Absolutely.
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  And I will battle buddy with you any day.
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  I am so appreciative of you and your efforts.
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  And you know, it's interesting, Carrie, because when I started Nurse Freedom Network, this was back in you know, July of 2021 is when I started, and I did that because I see all of the, you know, they're they're firing all of the nurses, and I'm like, okay, we need to do something, we need to say something.
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  I didn't know exactly what I was gonna do.
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  It started out as a Facebook group, really, and it just really quickly grew from there.
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  Um, you know, I started uh protesting at local hospitals, me and my bullhorn in a sign with Nurse Freedom Network.
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  That was that's how I started.
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  I started with a bullhorn and a sign.
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  And you know, as I'm out there, I start gathering all of these other nurses, and very quickly it grew into this nationwide movement, and then we started having nurses building advocacy teams across the country.
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  And you know, it started from that just one one nurse, right?
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  But we all kind of linked arms.
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  But when I started the the platform, and you know, I I turned it into a 50 uh 501c3, and I did all this.
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  I said, okay, then now the nurses will have a platform and everybody's gonna come.
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  And I turned around and there weren't that many of us.
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  And that's what really broke my heart because I honestly believe that all of the nurses were gonna just jump right on, and there weren't.
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  And that was sad to me.
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  That was sad to me.
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  Um, unfortunately, there were um not as many like-minded nurses as I would have hoped, but.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  We're here.
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  We're doing our thing.
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  And you know, I would I do want to say this, you know, before we go any further, I want to say, as we're talking about this rot, I like to call it that rot in our profession.
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  I want to say very clearly that most nurses are still showing up, right?
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  They're still quietly ethically working with integrity.
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  Not every nurse is on TikTok.
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  They're not all doing the dances, they're not trending.
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  They're they're out there doing the work.
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  But professions are not judged by their silent majority.
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  They're gonna be judged by what they tolerate publicly.
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  And right now, what's being tolerated worse than that, and I'm sure you see it as well.
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  What's being defended is alarming.
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  Would you agree with that?
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  What do you mean what's being defended?
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  Give me an example.
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  So for example, like the the comments that were made by nurse Lexi Lawler where she was um wishing a fourth degree tear.
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  One of the most traumatic obstetrical injuries that she can have on somebody she disagreed with politically.
• 11:07
  Yeah, and you're right.
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  So when you're reading the comments, the there were just some vile comments where people actually were justifying what she said, and that that made it worse.
• 11:21
  It's like, wait a second, this is a this is a nurse that's supposed to not want to wish harm on anybody, no matter their their race, their you know, their political beliefs, um, their sex, their religion, any of that.
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  And so there actually are people out there that are not nurses and are not in the medical profession that were actually saying, well, well, yeah, she has a right to say that, and you know, she can refuse care to anybody that she wants, or she can say those things.
• 11:51
  And a lot of individuals just don't understand um the oath that we take when we decide that we want to become a nurse, and when we're graduating nursing school, we take an oath to do no harm.
• 12:04
  We take an oath to, you know, to to not discriminate.
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  And um it just I the fact that there were people out there and even healthcare professionals that agreed with her was I just I it was mind-blowing.
• 12:19
  Um, I guess I, you know, I just never really something you never really think about until something like that comes to the surface, and then you really see how bad how bad it is, as far as individuals that are out there that think like that.
• 12:33
  And again, just like you were saying, it's not all nurses, it's it's not like that at all.
• 12:37
  But there is there is there are nurses out there that think like that.
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  And so I think that what hospitals really need to do is I know that they do have these yearly mandatory ethics classes, um, if you will, mandatory training, but I can tell you right now, people just click, click, click through it, you know, click, click, click, um, and they don't really read it.
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  They just want to get through it because it's it's boring.
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  But I think that just in light of the the political climate in our country and around the world geopolitically, I think that this is something that really needs to this this is something more than just another PowerPoint presentation.
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  I think that this really needs to be brought to light.
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  And um, I'm just completely mind-blown that I haven't seen anything come out from any hospitals that are doing kind of like a almost like an emergency kind of um in service.
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  I know that uh there was a issue where there was some personal health information um with a uh celebrity in Florida that had passed away, and that triggered a an emergency.
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  Okay, you need to do this module, but nothing about what's been happening in the last month, not one thing, but when a celebrity passes away in a hospital and some PHI gets out, all of a sudden that that's it, that's that's that's where they that's their hard stop.
• 14:10
  Oh, exactly.
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  And I think just in the past, I want to say two weeks, we've seen at least, I know I've posted and covered at least four nurses where there I think two of them were in the state of Florida, um, where they had their their licenses, and I and I'm thankful for the state of Florida for the attorney general and for the uh Surgeon General Joseph Latipo, who who took swift action to remove these licenses because I'm sorry, but these people are dangerous.
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  These are not anybody, I mean, the the kinds of comments that they made, and then we had uh some, I believe there was a nurse that was actually suggesting that nurses take um uh paralytics, put them in a syringe and and inject ice agents with paralytics.
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  Yeah, so basically, let's you know, let's go ahead and inject them to where they're not able to breathe because those paralytics just make it so you can't breathe.
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  So you're aware of your surroundings, you're not sedated, you're just paralyzed, which is probably one of the worst.
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  I mean, of all the deaths, I mean, I couldn't even imagine being awake and aware and not being able to breathe.
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  That that that's just like terrible.
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  How would oh my gosh, I just don't even know how people can say these things.
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  It's um, but it's out there, so we I think these discussions can gather, you know, can you know, put awareness on, you know, what what some what some people think, I guess.
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  Um, but I I I think that it's the hospital's responsibility to shed light on it and to take swift action, just as they did in Florida.
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  But again, the whole thing with, you know, let's let's go ahead and have a in-service and mandatory in service about a celebrity because their PHI was um was released, but not about these nurses that are out there wishing damage and harm on people just because they're their different beliefs.
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  Yeah, it's it's absolutely incredible to me.
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  And when we talk about the social media factor, you know, do you believe that social media has created this behavior, or do you feel like it's just kind of simply revealed what's really been beneath the surface?
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  I I don't know.
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  I I'm not sure where I where I fall on that because I mean, I've been in healthcare for 30 years, and I don't feel like I mean, if we went back 20 years ago, I I'm not gonna say nursing, you know, politics hasn't been popped up, popping up in hospitals.
• 16:42
  Sure, it has, but I don't feel like we have seen this level of depravity ever.
• 16:48
  No, I think a lot of it is just what's happening politically.
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  I think that we have started to, we we are so divided.
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  I mean, the fact that we have to have two Super Bowl shows tells you exactly where we are in America as far as division.
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  Remember the days when, you know, we used to just be able to watch the Super Bowl and everybody used to be able to enjoy the show, and on Monday everybody's talking about the show.
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  Now it's like, oh, what show did you watch?
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  And oh, well, I you know, and you know, and I'm just like, I didn't watch any of them because I don't want to, I don't want to be part of that satanic ritual.
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  And people look at me like I'm crazy, and um, you know, oh, well, you know, we just need to enjoy.
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  Okay, that's fine.
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  I'm not judging anybody, but the fact that this is where we are as society and as human beings, really, I'm very concerned for where we are going as a human race.
• 17:40
  Um the division was never like this.
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  I know when I first became a nurse in 1996, I we we never even talked politics.
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  It wasn't even, I mean, we had our Democrats, we had our Republicans, but I don't really remember the the division really starting to get bad until I would say the early 2000s, mid-2000s is when I really noticed a shift.
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  And it's just it's just gotten worse.
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  It's gotten worse as each day goes on.
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  Um, you know, I I think it's both parties that are fueling for that division.
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  And I it's just like at what point do we just say, I'm not a democrat, I'm not a Republican, I'm a human being that wants to see the best for everybody, right?
• 18:26
  Can we just can we go back to that?
• 18:28
  I exactly.
• 18:29
  I would love to go back to a time where I didn't even know who my neighbor voted for, who they supported, and I didn't care.
• 18:35
  You know, we we all have our personal beliefs, we all have our own set of values, and that's perfectly fine.
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  That's what makes this country great.
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  Um, and you know, we should be able to have those values.
• 18:46
  I honestly, I don't even want to talk about it anymore.
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  Like I just want to go back to being human beings again.
• 18:52
  I do feel like um the internet social media has definitely kind of disconnected.
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  We're supposed we're supposedly more connected than ever, but I've never felt more disconnected with with humanity than I do now.
• 19:06
  And yeah, and I I think that people don't realize what they say on social media.
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  Like I think that in the cases of those individuals, those nurses that just got out there and said that, I think that we've just become so cavalier with our attitude about just like, oh, well, I'm gonna, you know, they think of something, oh, I'm just gonna go say it on social media, or I'm gonna just go put this dance on, you know, while my patients well while they're still on the clock, um, you know, and they're over there, you know, doing all these these dances, um, you know, with their Stanley Cups and their figs, uh you know, yeah, it's it's really become like this trendy, like being a nurse is trendy, it's all about the different you're right, like the fig scrubs and their little cup and all of the things.
• 19:49
  Um, and it's it's like this trendy.
• 19:51
  I don't understand it.
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  And you're right.
• 19:54
  I I in fact, I you know, I go into facilities quite often on the hospice where I go into facilities and
• 20:00
  I can I've been up to the nurse's station trying to find out about a patient and there was a nurse and she was sitting behind the nurse station, she was on her phone, like watching a video or something.
• 20:09
  Yeah.
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  I'm standing there in front of her.
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  She does not acknowledge me.
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  I'm like, excuse me, ma'am.
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  You know, does still does not acknowledge me, continues to watch her video.
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  I was like, you have got to be kidding me right now.
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  How did we get here to this?
• 20:25
  Well, it's funny that you say that.
• 20:27
  I just had a recent experience within the last week where I had a patient, uh, it was, you know, the family member that was more upset because of just some of the care that they had received um the previous um shift.
• 20:42
  Um, and they looked at me and made a comment and they just said, Thank you.
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  And I said, for what?
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  And they said, for looking us in the eye and treating less like a human being and not staring at the computer and actually taking the time to listen to us as people.
• 20:59
  And that's really sad.
• 21:00
  I think that that should be an expectation.
• 21:03
  Um, and you know, not an exception.
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  Um so I just think that, you know, as we nurse the computer, I think that it's we're we're kind of getting into a very scary uh place when it comes to the technology.
• 21:20
  Would you agree with that?
• 21:21
  Oh, 100%.
• 21:22
  And I say this often.
• 21:23
  I really feel like the um when we started seeing nursing and the nurse-patient relationship um kind of crumble was right around the time that they ushered in the EHR.
• 21:36
  And I I really feel like it's all by design.
• 21:38
  You know, they they how do they have those computers situated in the rooms?
• 21:42
  Are we looking at our patients?
• 21:43
  No, we have our backs to our patients.
• 21:45
  Yes.
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  And I feel like that's very intentional.
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  And now we're we're not even looking our patients in the eyes.
• 21:52
  We have so much documentation to do.
• 21:54
  We are it's like we're we're nursing, like you said, we're nursing the computers and not nursing the patients.
• 21:59
  We're spending more time charting than we are assessing our patients.
• 22:03
  And this is this is a problem, and it's really starting to create this division, and it's got, you know, nurses um becoming jaded towards patients, patients are distrustful of nurses.
• 22:15
  And I honestly, I really do feel like it's all by design.
• 22:19
  Yeah, I remember that I never will forget it when we were told that they were going to start doing electronic medical records, and they were selling us on it big time because of course we're just so used to doing things on paper, and humans don't necessarily like change, right?
• 22:36
  It's it's just kind of a we're creatures of habit.
• 22:39
  And when they were trying to sell us on it, I remember I'll never forget they said, Oh, but it'll be great because now you don't have to take any verbal orders from the physicians, and you don't have to decipher the handwriting, because as you know, historically, physicians don't have the greatest handwriting and med-errors can result of result from that and all that.
• 22:59
  And I'm so, you know, I was still pretty hesitant, even back then.
• 23:03
  That was I think that was early 2000s, if I remember correctly.
• 23:07
  Yeah.
• 23:07
  Um, and they they sold us on that.
• 23:12
  And, you know, here we are in 2026, over 20 years later, and we're still taking telephone orders, we're still taking verbal orders.
• 23:21
  That was that was just a big fat lie.
• 23:23
  And I do believe I agree with you.
• 23:25
  I think it's by design to dehumanize us.
• 23:27
  Um, I think that there is just another way for them to make us uh not have um a connection.
• 23:33
  And um, I actually uh recently saw a robot in a facility that was delivering medications from pharmacy.
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  So uh we are not far away from uh the robot uh being the one to hold your hand, um, you know, when uh when you most need it, I guess.
• 23:50
  And that to me is really scary.
• 23:52
  And I had that conversation with that same patient and family member that I was just talking about, and I I told them I said that I said that's next.
• 24:01
  And they were, they just they said I they said I will not go for that.
• 24:06
  And I and again, I think consumerism is going to drive, you know, what what people want.
• 24:12
  And um, if the facility is jumping on the robot bandwagon, uh it'll be really interesting to see if patients do have a choice, how that will work, how that plays out.
• 24:24
  I've I've actually seen a couple of things that have come out just here in the last week or so where they're talking about these AI doctors, and they're free.
• 24:33
  Um, supposedly they are powered by actual physicians, but it's like you the patient will go in and put their symptoms in, and then they get a diagnosis from AI.
• 24:44
  I don't care if it's powered by real physicians.
• 24:46
  This to me is frightening, and it's completely free.
• 24:49
  Um, which leads me to believe that that's a problem.
• 24:53
  Anytime anything is free, there's an agenda behind it.
• 24:56
  Yeah.
• 24:57
  Just being nice.
• 24:58
  They're not just they don't care.
• 25:00
  Same with the with the vaccines.
• 25:02
  Oh, if they're free, there's a problem.
• 25:05
  There's a reason.
• 25:06
  Why isn't life-saving medications like insulin?
• 25:09
  Why is that not free?
• 25:10
  Exactly.
• 25:12
  Right.
• 25:13
  I know.
• 25:14
  It's it's so wild to see how how things are moving.
• 25:18
  And, you know, I think again, they're gonna sell it.
• 25:20
  They're gonna say, oh, well, it's gonna save so much money.
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  And but I I just I don't trust it.
• 25:26
  I'm very skeptical.
• 25:27
  Um, especially, you know, after everything that we went through during 2020.
• 25:32
  Um, you know, I I was skeptical even before that, talking about, you know, how much of a big business it is, and um, that's not the reason why I got into nursing.
• 25:43
  I mean, I understand, you know, people have to pay their bills and have to make money, but um, you know, some of the the salaries of these CEOs are just insane.
• 25:52
  And I know that there's a lot of strikes going on um in parts of the United States that are displaying how much money these CEOs make, and all nurses want is is safe staffing and and fair pay for what they do, and um, you know, nurses are working understaffed and um, you know, and just being expected to do things that that are just unreasonable, and um it's just it's not getting better, and that's why it's just important to keep having these conversations.
• 26:24
  And I think that one of the um strikes just settled, uh, the nurses were able to negotiate because I guess they wanted to take take away even more of their benefits.
• 26:33
  I mean, I'm old enough to remember back in the day when nurses actually had a pension and had just had the same benefits, say as like a state worker, such as like a firefighter or policeman.
• 26:45
  There's no reason there's no reason why nurses, because we are on the front lines.
• 26:48
  Remember, we were called heroes, we went from hero to zero.
• 26:51
  But really, like say they just want to keep taking away benefits, and you know, I I just again, I mean, that's just what I think.
• 27:02
  I think that we should be right up there with with police, uh, police officers and teachers.
• 27:08
  Um, and um, you know, during 2020, it was pretty evident who were the ones that were out there, and I can tell you a little story.
• 27:17
  You know, in 2020, when I was, I'll never forget this.
• 27:21
  I was in Texas, and I was there.
• 27:24
  I call her my little battle buddy.
• 27:25
  It was her and I for like, I think it was like 12 patients.
• 27:29
  Um, and it was it was a complete shit show.
• 27:32
  And a doctor called, and now, mind you, these doctors were scared.
• 27:37
  They were not going in the rooms.
• 27:39
  They wouldn't at all.
• 27:41
  They would call the unit.
• 27:43
  This doctor had the audacity to call us while we're, you know, taking care of all these patients and say, Hey, you know, I'm calling about, you know, da-da-da-da, in room X, Y, and Z.
• 27:56
  And um, and you know, we wanted to know what the patient's lungs sounded like.
• 28:04
  And we were like, what do you think they sound like?
• 28:07
  They sound like COVID lungs.
• 28:08
  Maybe you should come see the patient.
• 28:10
  And I'm telling you, they never came to see the patient, and then they charted in the medical record that they did come see the patient.
• 28:18
  Yeah, that's exactly there was all kinds of fraud going on, and we were the ones flowing in the room holding the patient's hand.
• 28:24
  We were the ones that the last time that they saw a person was was us before they were put on a ventilator and murdered.
• 28:33
  Thank you for saying it plainly that yes, they were murdered, and you know, my listeners know I talk about this all the time.
• 28:38
  And this is this has been something I've been, you know, um, screaming from the rooftop since like late 2020, 2021.
• 28:47
  Um, is that these doctors and the hospitals were they had this this big push for early intubation?
• 28:54
  Yes.
• 28:55
  And it was not because the patient was in distress, it was because they were trying to contain the virus.
• 29:02
  Um, it was a very feebile attempt to contain the virus because once they're on a ventilator to understand ventilators, it's a closed loop system, the virus is no longer being disseminated in the air.
• 29:13
  So it's not even about the patient in the bed, it's supposedly about protecting the healthcare workers who by the way, we've already been exposed to it at this point.
• 29:22
  So what's the difference?
• 29:24
  And they put these patients on ventilators when there was an 80% chance they weren't making it off, and they knew that.
• 29:31
  So they signed their literal death warrant with intubation.
• 29:35
  Yeah, I remember at one point um where they stopped doing albuteral nebulizer treatments because they said that it was being aerolyzed, and they so they just would give them an inhaler.
• 29:47
  Um, and I also remember the day when I was in New York City, and this is a reason why I had to get the hell out of there.
• 29:53
  Um, was when I showed up to work one day and there was a memorandum written by Governor Cuomo.
• 30:00
  That said, we were no longer now.
• 30:02
  I worked in the emergency room at this time in New York City that said that we were no longer to administer CPR on patients because of the risk that it would pose to us catching the virus.
• 30:13
  So I um that just the way that sit with me did not it was terrible.
• 30:20
  And um we did have uh someone come in that was actively in Farque encoding.
• 30:26
  And I just was so grateful that nobody stood back and listened to what the order was.
• 30:33
  We all jumped in and and you know, we um, you know, we took care of the patient.
• 30:37
  We, you know, we administered CPR and we did all the things, but I just knew that I had to get out of there.
• 30:42
  And that patient, I didn't make it, but um, I I just knew I had to get out of there, and I couldn't get I just it took me a few days to get out because that was the time when there was only a few uh planes coming in and uh leaving.
• 30:58
  And so um I it just I just had this this dark spirit feeling.
• 31:04
  It it was it was very demonic.
• 31:07
  And um, so I I left and I had to leave, but I knew that there were still patients that were suffering, so I went home and I think I stayed home for you know, maybe uh a little over a week, and I was like, I I gotta go back out there, but I knew I didn't want to go back to New York, and I said, let me go to a red state.
• 31:26
  Um maybe it was maybe it's different.
• 31:27
  So that's when I ended up in Texas.
• 31:30
  Um, you know, we they were still doing the CPR patients there, so uh that was a good thing.
• 31:37
  But um, that's when they started pushing the REM de Severe and um and then I started uh hearing about what that was doing as I was listening to um some alternative news stations and um and whatnot.
• 31:53
  And so um that's when I said, okay, well, now I need to get out of here.
• 31:57
  So it was kind of like once I saw that there were things that were not in line uh with doing the right thing, I had to get out of there.
• 32:05
  And I I ended up working.
• 32:07
  I never said I would do this.
• 32:08
  I eventually just ended up working in a um what was it?
• 32:13
  It was like a rehab center, like patients that had recently had strokes and heart attacks.
• 32:17
  Yeah, like in a kid.
• 32:18
  Yeah, I ended up working in one of those because I was like, oh, this is great.
• 32:21
  They don't take COVID patients there, right?
• 32:23
  So it's kind of like trying to stay ahead of everything.
• 32:26
  And what did she know?
• 32:28
  Like I was there for I don't know, a month, and then all of a sudden, well, we're gonna take some COVID patients, but we're only gonna take the stable ones.
• 32:37
  Yeah.
• 32:38
  Well, they yeah, that that's what that's what they did.
• 32:41
  And you know, it was it was just that that whole time, and oh god, we can talk about that forever.
• 32:46
  We are up against a break, but when we come back, we're gonna dive back into this topic because it is I I think we can talk about um and share some more stories um for sure.
• 32:57
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  If you're just joining us, I have been talking with the incredible nurse, Carrie Marie.
• 39:34
  Carrie, thank you again for being here with me.
• 39:37
  Yes, thank you.
• 39:38
  This is a great conversation.
• 39:40
  It really is.
• 39:40
  And you know, I we can't help but go back to 2020, I feel like, you know, so much.
• 39:47
  I feel like there's like before COVID and after COVID in the world, sure, but also, but in nursing, because I think that that was the biggest thing for me.
• 39:57
  Um as as COVID kind of rolled on.
• 40:00
  To the scene was how everything started to really fly in the face of everything that we have always done historically in nursing.
• 40:09
  For example, you know, they had us wearing the same um N95 masks.
• 40:13
  Three, you know, 12 hours into your COVID patient room, into your non-COVID patient room.
• 40:19
  It didn't matter.
• 40:20
  Infection control policies didn't allow that prior to 2020.
• 40:24
  Have you ever seen anything so absurd?
• 40:27
  I'm gonna tell you, I was such a ball buster.
• 40:30
  Um, you know, when I when they started when they said that, I told them, I said, I am going to need a new mask every day because they gave us a brown paper bag and they said you can't.
• 40:48
  And you know what's crazy?
• 40:50
  When I was at that facility in New York, remember how they made it sound like there was this um like there were the PPE, like it was just such a shortage, and there was a basement.
• 41:00
  It was underwhelmed.
• 41:02
  That was bull crap because I actually came upon a huge closet that was filled with PPE.
• 41:10
  And I'm thinking, are they trying to save this for a rainy day because it's a rainy day right now?
• 41:14
  So they were purposely trying to make us think that there was a shortage, and that was a lie.
• 41:19
  Yes, and remember they lost me at when the CDC is going in there with like um, you know, all the the bells and whistles, and they want the nurses to wear a bandana.
• 41:29
  Oh, that's okay.
• 41:30
  But then do you remember that's that was the excuse that at least in my hospital, that was the excuse that the physicians use for not coming on to the COVID unit to the ICU.
• 41:40
  I work in the ICU.
• 41:41
  They were like, We're we're just trying to preserve the PPE for the I don't, I don't, I did not run into that.
• 41:50
  They just told us flat out they didn't have enough.
• 41:52
  So even though it was locked up, you know, lock and key somewhere.
• 41:56
  I really wish I had a video of that.
• 41:58
  Oh, I know.
• 41:59
  I I could there was like literally an entire basement of um stockpiles of masks and all the things, and we used to have to go down there every before the shift would start, and we'd have to check in and they would give us our little allotted, you know, one mask or two mouth, whatever the hell it wasn't our mask.
• 42:17
  Yeah, our rations, our health care, our health care rationals.
• 42:21
  Exactly.
• 42:22
  And then they say, Well, you have to use this mask until it fails.
• 42:25
  Oops, the elastic broke.
• 42:26
  Sorry, I'll need a new one.
• 42:28
  Thank you.
• 42:31
  I'll tell you that was, you know, it was crazy times, but I think that, you know, I ended up um I was exempted from the mandate, and I ended up leaving the bedside.
• 42:43
  Um, that that was kind of before the mandates ever hit my hospital.
• 42:46
  I ended up leaving the bedside because I couldn't watch my patients murdered any longer.
• 42:51
  Um I left the unit because it was this, you know, just over and over again.
• 42:56
  We're seeing all of our patients die.
• 42:59
  You mentioned the remdesivir that they rolled on to the scene, and I these things are still happening.
• 43:05
  I just interviewed um a woman two weeks ago that she lost her husband in August of 2025 to hospital protocols.
• 43:16
  Yeah, they're still they're still using REMD Severe in some facilities.
• 43:20
  I I um I it's crazy, even though we know what we know about REMDSIVR, they're still using it, it's still being used to this day.
• 43:29
  And you know what the nurses, the ICU nurses specifically call remdesivir.
• 43:33
  We we called it uh run death is near.
• 43:36
  Yeah, because it was.
• 43:38
  Um, you know, we all know what was happening with the remdesivir, it was shutting down people's organs.
• 43:43
  Um, then we're putting them on the ventilator, we're literally blowing out their lungs.
• 43:47
  Um yeah, I know.
• 43:52
  I I can't even think about it anymore.
• 43:54
  And it just Yeah, and they just expect us to go on like nothing happened.
• 43:58
  And that that's that this is where I'm at.
• 44:00
  This is where I'm kind of just like, okay, so all of this happened, and nobody's in jail.
• 44:06
  Yes, no accountability.
• 44:07
  No, there's no accountability, and it's just like they just expect us just kind of like when you're at the hospital and you just code somebody and they don't make it, and then they just expect you to go on like nothing happened, like there's no after action review, or hey, like, do you need a do you need like to go take 10 minutes to yourself?
• 44:25
  Do you need to, you know, do you need a like what do you need?
• 44:28
  It's like, oh, okay, you know, great, like just going like moving on like nothing happened, like somebody just died, and you're just expected to move on.
• 44:37
  And so that, you know, that's an accumulation over time.
• 44:41
  But with what happened, like with what COVID, and and the thing is we are still seeing the ramifications every day with this bioweapon.
• 44:48
  Every time I go to work, I talk to another patient that it's the same old song and dance.
• 44:54
  They're like, I am healthy, and all of a sudden I started getting blood clots in my legs.
• 45:02
  And you know, I started um, or you know, or you know, now it's like I have this autoimmune where I keep getting headaches and there's you know, there's lesions on my brain, and you know, and and a lot of them know where it came from, they know it was from the bioweapon, but you know, after being, you know, with some of these patients for 12 hours, you build a rapport and you build a trust with them, and you know, you really have to assess the situation whether or not these patients are ready for that discussion because I feel like as a nurse, I feel like it's kind of I I it would really bother me if I would leave that shift and not have a discussion with them, like okay, what was what was like what it what was different around the time you started getting sick?
• 45:52
  Did you any new anything new?
• 45:54
  Did you have you know any kind of um introduce anything new in your body?
• 45:59
  Did you you know have a surgery?
• 46:00
  Did you have a death in the family?
• 46:02
  Did you have something traumatic happened?
• 46:03
  And then of course, some and then I say, Did you get the COVID 19 vaccine, right?
• 46:08
  Um, because you know, as a nurse in Florida, we are allowed to have these conversations with our patients.
• 46:14
  Um, but I have to be really careful about it because I don't just have these conversations with anybody because I don't want to upset individuals.
• 46:22
  That's why it really takes a good part of the shift to really see if that this is something that they could they're ready for the discussion.
• 46:30
  And you know, and in nine times and every single time I've I've honestly just very very careful about it.
• 46:37
  I've been able to help lead them down the path as to what was different, and all of a sudden, why all of a sudden they're having these issues, and uh they will even tell me they're like, Yeah, you know, my uncle or my cousin or my sister or my brother, you know, we had they've already told me they think that all my problems are a result of this bio, like this, the the COVID-19 vaccine.
• 47:01
  So it's hard to ignore.
• 47:03
  I mean, it's hard to ignore.
• 47:04
  And I started seeing around the time that the vaccines rolled out.
• 47:07
  I had left the ICU, I was doing uh telephone triage nursing, and I started keeping my own data because the amount of phone calls that I would get from young, healthy, particularly males around between like the ages of 18 and 30 that were having these cardiac events, yeah.
• 47:23
  Yeah, post-vaccination, and I'm like, and then I ended up having to resign because they wanted me to recommend the vaccine, and I refused.
• 47:30
  I was like, There's no way because they wanted us to call it safe and defective, literally had a scripted answer for us if anybody asked.
• 47:37
  And I was like, I'm not doing that because we would have no way of knowing first and foremost, because we had no data at that point, but I was getting these phone calls over and over again, and I can remember calling my supervisor, Carrie and saying, I know that you listen to these phone calls, so you're not hearing the same thing that I'm hearing about all of these people having these um these instant expect in these young healthy populations, heart attacks, strokes, blood clots over and over and over again.
• 48:10
  And I I couldn't do it, and I had I had to leave that job because it's just too much.
• 48:15
  Yeah, and I think when you bring that information to light, there's still still here we are in 2026 with all the information that's been released, they're still denying it.
• 48:29
  Yeah, and then when you try you try to have the conversation, they call you conspiracy theorists and they mock you, they shut you down, they don't want to hear it.
• 48:38
  And you know, I I think it's just it's propaganda.
• 48:42
  I think there's a huge huge campaign uh propaganda when it comes to health, and now health has been politicized, unfortunately in this country.
• 48:51
  And so even though this information is coming out, the fact that it's coming from a certain administration, um, people are just not willing to accept it.
• 49:00
  They think that, oh, well, you know, RFK is a conspiracy theorist, and um, you know, so I'm not gonna listen to what he has to say, but the evidence is out there, and the stories are real, but yet we still have people that are just ignoring it and mocking it because of who mouths it's you know, who whose mouth it's coming from and and the administration that it's coming from because health has been politicized.
• 49:24
  Oh, absolutely.
• 49:24
  And what do you make of this?
• 49:26
  About, you know, when when we started asking the questions early on, what do you make about like the nurses who they should know better, right?
• 49:33
  We are like literally hardware to think critically to ask questions, and they weren't.
• 49:38
  And I couldn't understand.
• 49:39
  I'm like that the level of cognitive dissonance that's required to completely ignore the types of things that we were seeing.
• 49:47
  How can I see it?
• 49:48
  How can you see it?
• 49:50
  But they just kind of put their and do you think it's more that they are complicit in the silence?
• 49:55
  They're just wanting to put their head down and preserve their paycheck.
• 49:59
  Do you think they see?
• 50:00
  And they just kind of want to ignore it.
• 50:02
  Or are they that like that they just don't know any better?
• 50:06
  I mean, I think it's both.
• 50:07
  I know early on when we stopped testing for the flu.
• 50:11
  And we just were only testing for COVID.
• 50:13
  I started raising questions then, and people would just look at me and shrug their shoulders and say, I don't know, and just move on.
• 50:20
  Like and wouldn't even question them thinking, gosh, we're supposed to be some of the best critical thinkers as healthcare professionals because you have to take a critical thinking test to get into nursing school.
• 50:31
  Um, at least I did.
• 50:33
  And um, and it's I think it's it's honestly back then.
• 50:38
  I think it was more just programming and fear, and now I think it's now it's like if you cannot see it, then you are so programmed that there's really no hope for you.
• 50:54
  Um, I hate to say it.
• 50:55
  I mean, because how can you how can you see all of the evidence and all of these died suddenly and all of your fellow coworkers and the increases in cancer and autoimmune heart attacks, strokes?
• 51:07
  How can you like I don't know, like how can you just you're experiencing it, and I'm telling you right now the hospitals are more full than they were during COVID, as far as because these ICUs are expanding, hospitals are going up left and right.
• 51:24
  Everywhere I look in Florida, there's a new, a new cancer center, a new hospital.
• 51:29
  Why?
• 51:30
  It's because we're sicker than ever, and we know that the bioweapon has contributed to that.
• 51:36
  So I just I think it's back then it was more fear and programming.
• 51:41
  Now I think it like it's just a cognitive dissonance.
• 51:43
  And um I think that there are people that are afraid to speak out, they're afraid of losing their paychecks.
• 51:50
  Um, it's not worth it to them.
• 51:52
  Um, and that's why they're not speaking out.
• 51:54
  So I think it's it's a combination of things, but yeah, it's sad.
• 51:59
  It it really is.
• 52:02
  You know, I I think about this all the time about we as nurses, we really need to reclaim our profession.
• 52:07
  We talked, we started the show talking about the just moral decay and rot that is in the nursing profession.
• 52:14
  And here we are, like we're talking about going on strike and asking for um safe staffing and better pay.
• 52:19
  And it's really hard to get the general public to sympathize with us.
• 52:23
  Yeah.
• 52:23
  When you know, we this is the type of nursing that's represented in the public eye.
• 52:29
  Um, there's too few of us, and there's too many uh of these loud uh people and people after 2020 were too afraid, they're afraid to go into the hospital, rightly so.
• 52:40
  I don't blame a single one of them.
• 52:41
  And I tell them all the time do not go into a hospital without an advocate.
• 52:45
  Whether you're yours in my organization or another organization, I don't care.
• 52:50
  Have an advocacy plan in place because they will kill you.
• 52:53
  Plain and simple.
• 52:54
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
• 52:56
  I I completely agree with you.
• 52:58
  And I love seeing when patients and families advocate for themselves, and a lot of times I get labeled as you know, difficult.
• 53:05
  And you know, people roll their eyes, and you know, the whole doctor, oh, they were on Google, and you know, but then when I want to talk about a cancer protocol that's saving people's lives, literally the same nurse, you know, in the same breath is typing in Google.
• 53:20
  Oh, wait, oh, well, that's not no, I Google said that that's not even a thing.
• 53:25
  It's like, okay, well, then how come Florida just spent millions of dollars looking into this protocol?
• 53:31
  Like and yeah, it's it's really a shame.
• 53:38
  But I I personally I want to reclaim our profession, and I think that we will when enough of us stand up.
• 53:45
  And that's I, you know, that is my hope.
• 53:47
  That was my hope way back when I started Nurse Freedom Network.
• 53:49
  When I started remnant health care, is that I want to find the, and that's why I named it remnant, because we are the remnant of nurses who care and who want to restore the soul of nursing.
• 54:03
  Yeah, education, the leadership, and what everything that it takes and what it means to be a nurse.
• 54:08
  I really feel like I idealized it in my mind to a certain degree.
• 54:14
  And I mourned that for a long time when I walked away from from my career to to do all of this.
• 54:20
  Um, but I want it back, and I think that we can come together and we can fight for this for ourselves, for our profession, and for the patients that we serve.
• 54:30
  Do you think that there's a future in that?
• 54:32
  I do.
• 54:33
  I I just think that there's so many things that are coming to light.
• 54:37
  And even though we were talking earlier about how divided we are as a nation, I think that the more that is revealed and um that is coming out.
• 54:47
  I think that I think that the nurses are slowly starting to realize that there's more of us than them, if you will, and we are we we can be so powerful together.
• 55:00
  And I think that that's why there's so many strikes happening right now.
• 55:03
  Um, is because I think that that it's happening slowly, but it's happening, which is really exciting because we are, yeah, we're we're the remnant.
• 55:15
  We're we're the ones that are there, you know, um at the bedside and and taking care of the patients, and um, you know, most of the nurses got into it for the right reasons.
• 55:27
  So I I I have hope.
• 55:29
  I do have hope.
• 55:30
  I do as well.
• 55:31
  I do as well.
• 55:32
  I know that we are certainly going to continue on this path.
• 55:35
  And uh, you know, we're not gonna just lie down and let our profession be taken over by TikTokers.
• 55:42
  I mean, no, we're not we're not doing it.
• 55:45
  We're not doing it.
• 55:46
  Not today, Satan, you know, not today.
• 55:48
  We are going to um restore integrity to the nursing profession.
• 55:52
  I can't believe we're wrong.
• 55:53
  I were on a time.
• 55:54
  I can't, I told you it goes by really quickly.
• 55:56
  Yes.
• 55:57
  And I hate that I know we could talk for so much longer.
• 55:59
  I would love to have you back again because there's certainly no shortage of topics that we could uh sit here and have a conversation about.
• 56:06
  So hope you'll join me again.
• 56:08
  Thank you so much, Carrie, for being here.
• 56:10
  Yes, absolutely.
• 56:11
  Thank you so much for letting me share my stories and uh use my voice.
• 56:15
  It's it feels really good to to talk.
• 56:18
  So thank you so much.
• 56:19
  You're so welcome.
• 56:20
  And I'll make sure that we have all of your information in the show notes that will accompany this episode once it goes to podcast, so everybody can find you and follow you and uh see the incredible work that you're doing out there.
• 56:31
  Carrie, thank you so much.
• 56:32
  Thank you so much.
• 56:33
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• 56:35
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• 56:37
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• 57:04
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