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Finding Chase Massner Episode 3: Nancy's surprise visit with key witness · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode three. This week marks three
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Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.
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Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and
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Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a
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Speaker 1: Rock War veteran husband, a father. His wife told us
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Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a clickstup in Cobb County
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Speaker 1: where he worked. His family says he was last seen
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Speaker 1: at their friend's house in Kennasov three years ago on
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Speaker 1: March and it's like he vanished from that home, not
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Speaker 1: to be seen or heard from again. If he was
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Speaker 1: able to reach out to any one of us, he would,
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Speaker 1: he would. Despite some intense searching, few clues have been found.
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Speaker 1: She tells me that as a mother, in her heart
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Speaker 1: she feels her son Chase. We had absolutely no answer,
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Speaker 1: so not even the slightest clue and yours. We're back
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Speaker 1: at square one, Stephanie, because we have to talk to Brad.
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Speaker 1: That's the missing link here. Now we know he has
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Speaker 1: refused to polygraph and then stated again he will take
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Speaker 1: a polygraph. I'm going looking for him. Okay, okay. Art
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Speaker 1: with nothing but my iPhone and I am going to
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Speaker 1: find him and I'm gonna ask him what happened. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna see what story he's gonna tell me, and we'll
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Speaker 1: take it from there. But I want to note from you,
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Speaker 1: as we sit here together right now, what are your thoughts?
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Speaker 1: I just want another truth. I want to know what
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Speaker 1: happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is still alive? Now?
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Speaker 1: Are you saying that with your heart and your head?
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Speaker 1: Or yes? I don't believe he's alife. Can you think
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Speaker 1: of a reason that anyone would have wanted him dead?
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Speaker 1: Not a single reason. Well, we looked and we looked,
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Speaker 1: and we searched, and we found the wild card, as
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Speaker 1: I like to call him, Brad Clemens. We found him.
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Speaker 1: I beat on his door, he opened the door, and
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Speaker 1: he let me in. I want you to hear what
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Speaker 1: he said when I questioned him, grilling him over an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half about the disappearance of Chase Masner
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Speaker 1: before I go to that. Thank you crime con for
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Speaker 1: husband and father of two little girls, Chase Masner. Crime
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Speaker 1: surely hope you join us. Thank you crime Con for today.
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Speaker 1: And now let's hear what the wild card Brad Clements
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Speaker 1: has to say. Listen, I'm trying to figure out, especially
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Speaker 1: after I met Chase's another yesterday that about broke my heart.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been all this time. She still doesn't
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Speaker 1: even know what happened. She thinks Chase is dead. Do
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Speaker 1: you think he's dead? I don't know. I mean I
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Speaker 1: hope that he's not, but really I I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Like I I've you know, I've wondered about it. And
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Speaker 1: you know the last time when I was with him,
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Speaker 1: like I hardly knew them, really, like I met him
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Speaker 1: maybe three or four times. I thought, you've been over
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Speaker 1: to their house. No, I've been over to their house
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Speaker 1: like after all this happened, Like I went over there
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Speaker 1: put together a ping pong table or a pool table
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Speaker 1: or something. No. Never, that was the only time I've
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Speaker 1: gone over to their house is when um, what's her name, Amanda?
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Speaker 1: Amanda called and asked me to come over there and
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Speaker 1: like talked to her, and I wentever there with my dog, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, talk to her about all this, and like
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Speaker 1: it was kind of kind of odd me being over there,
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Speaker 1: and because you only need her three chies, right, and
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Speaker 1: I never really you know, talked to just her, and
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, I kept hearing all these you know,
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Speaker 1: mixed things. You know, Well, this is later, I guess,
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Speaker 1: like about her and like his friends and stuff when
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Speaker 1: he made her and his friends. I don't sound throw
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Speaker 1: her under the bus or anything, but I mean it's
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Speaker 1: just you know, I don't are you saying that she's
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Speaker 1: up around? I mean that's kind of the world. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of what I thought when I was when I
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Speaker 1: went over there to see her like that, she you know,
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Speaker 1: wanted like, I don't know, it's just oh yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean like she was like, well, she she called me
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Speaker 1: up and was like, hey, can you bring me some
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Speaker 1: pop to like smoke some pot? Do you want to
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Speaker 1: smoke some pop me? And I was like, at this
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Speaker 1: point in my life, I wasn't smoking, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I think I have like a grinder that you could
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Speaker 1: scrape and she was like, yeah, I bring it over here,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, should take it out of
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Speaker 1: a grind and there was like, you know, the resin
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Speaker 1: stuff that you could like scrape and because apparently they
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Speaker 1: smoked like a lot, because you know, the whole thing
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Speaker 1: where um she called up what's like her mother or
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Speaker 1: someone to help him clean up something in the house,
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Speaker 1: like they were growing pop plants. You know, they had
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Speaker 1: a bunch of pop plants they were growing in the
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Speaker 1: house and that's why she was like, hey, I needed
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Speaker 1: to come over here and how to clean this up
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Speaker 1: because they were cleaning out all the pop plants for
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Speaker 1: like cops came over there. So that was like a
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Speaker 1: big thing with that. But um, that could be part
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Speaker 1: of the reason she doesn't want to talk anymore because
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be dragged in some way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they she was really like, you know, you know, just
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Speaker 1: I guess worried about and uh, it's not even not
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Speaker 1: big of a deal. It's like people grow pop plains
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Speaker 1: all the time in the backyard, you know, especially here
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Speaker 1: in the South. But yes, I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: But okay, I'll just take your word forward. Let's pause
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Speaker 1: for just one moment. I want to clear this is
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Speaker 1: Brad's story. We Crime Online have reached out repeatedly to
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Speaker 1: Chase his wife to give her the chance to respond
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Speaker 1: to these allegations, and we are still waiting. Meanwhile, we
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Speaker 1: don't have evidence that she has used pod or any
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Speaker 1: other drug or any other type of behavior that Brad
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Speaker 1: is talking about. This is his explanation of how he
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Speaker 1: is not involved in the disappearance of Chase Masterer. Now
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Speaker 1: I look forward to the day that I get to
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Speaker 1: speak to Amanda. This is Brad's story, So take it
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Speaker 1: with a box of salt, and you be the judge.
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Speaker 1: Now that I want to get to so, I mean, see,
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Speaker 1: I the thing is, like I hardly knew them, Like
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Speaker 1: they were good friends. So some of my good friends
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Speaker 1: with my friend Alan who lived in the house with me,
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Speaker 1: and and like I had to get I had to
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Speaker 1: make him leave because he wouldn't paid me rent. And
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Speaker 1: you know he I also caught him like cross dressing
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Speaker 1: and he thought I was gonna tell all you know,
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Speaker 1: all our friends that he was like dressing up like
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Speaker 1: a girl and stuff. And so he told um Amanda
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Speaker 1: in them that I like shot shot Heroin into Chase
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Speaker 1: and killed him and put this all in their head
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Speaker 1: just just to get me in trouble. Why would you
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Speaker 1: use up here went on somebody else, in fact, somebody
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Speaker 1: that I don't even know, you know, I mean, why
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Speaker 1: would you do something where there's that That's another thing.
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Speaker 1: It's like, I just don't know. Why would you take
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Speaker 1: somebody that you hardly know and then get them high
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Speaker 1: with heroin? Where you know people over us all the time,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, what what do you think Chase was on?
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Speaker 1: I don't really think it was on much other than
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Speaker 1: Pott and alcohol that night. I mean, that's good. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad to hear that. Yeah, I mean, you know, he
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Speaker 1: was trying to get more, like and I gave him
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Speaker 1: some cash, like he was trying to get for thirty
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Speaker 1: MILLI Graham roxy pills, the that was what everybody was taking.
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Speaker 1: Alan was giving him those sometimes because Alan would take those.
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Speaker 1: And so he assumed that I could get him because
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Speaker 1: Alan could get him, and you know, I I brought
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Speaker 1: him and you know, I was in a motorcycle wreck
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Speaker 1: and I was on those at one point, and you know,
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Speaker 1: so I took him to like that's one of the
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Speaker 1: mannors that picked him up, just to kind of talk
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Speaker 1: to him that night and be like, you know, dude,
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Speaker 1: you don't want that ship. Like I was in a
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Speaker 1: motorcycle wreck. Man, coming off of those pills is terrible,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, And I figured I could just
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Speaker 1: you know, hang out with him. And you know, if
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Speaker 1: you didn't really know him that well, why did you
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Speaker 1: let him come to your place? I mean because he'd
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Speaker 1: been over there before, Like I mean, he worked at
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Speaker 1: a quick trip right down the street from my house.
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Speaker 1: So so what do you think Just take me through
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Speaker 1: what happened that when he gets missing. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: really not that much Like it's like everybody says, I
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Speaker 1: like change my story and all this stuff, But it's
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Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase.
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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran a bunch of
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Speaker 1: errands what I was doing, you know most of time
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Speaker 1: when I was fixing up my house, Like he was
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Speaker 1: there that night and then you know, basically left sometime
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Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to
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Speaker 1: when I started cooking, like I mean, he had to
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Speaker 1: act like I mean that that's the only logical thing.
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Speaker 1: So you go on. I think it was March the
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Speaker 1: Ish to pick him up at quick Trip and it
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Speaker 1: was at night around Okay, all right, you pick him
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Speaker 1: up and bring him to your place directly or do
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Speaker 1: you I'll drive around. It was good. I mean it
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Speaker 1: was right down the street. Okay, so you didn't drive
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Speaker 1: around to hit to score and nothing like that. You
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Speaker 1: got to try. So you go home. What does he do?
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Speaker 1: I mean, we just sit there and start talking. We're
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Speaker 1: actually I had a bunch of stuff that I was
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Speaker 1: building a computer with, so I had him help me
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Speaker 1: carry a bunch of stuff in and then I are
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Speaker 1: of building the computer that I was actually not this one,
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Speaker 1: but a different one, and I had you know, we
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Speaker 1: just sit there and kind of just talked because we
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Speaker 1: had talked, you know, two or three nights ago about
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Speaker 1: the same thing too, what about him and amand of
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Speaker 1: fighting and all this stuff they find about. I mean
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Speaker 1: it was like money and stuff like that because she
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Speaker 1: wasn't working, and uh, you know, he didn't really talk
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Speaker 1: too much about it, but I just told him, you know,
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Speaker 1: that you know, he was a lucky guy and you
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Speaker 1: know it's got two beautiful kids, a beautiful wife. Like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's okay. What most people want,
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Speaker 1: you know, in life is to be you know, fulfilled
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Speaker 1: with with those two things. And you know how much
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Speaker 1: you know, was he not happy with that? Was it
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Speaker 1: money problems? Dope? What was it? I think it was
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Speaker 1: more or less money problems? I mean, because you know,
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Speaker 1: like I said, I just I really didn't know him
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Speaker 1: that that well, like and I mean it was this
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Speaker 1: was so longer than we actually talked about this, you know,
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Speaker 1: and it was mainly me talking, you know, other than him.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's saying there listening, and you know he
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Speaker 1: said that he was like telling him many he was
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Speaker 1: going to run off and like sleep in the woods
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Speaker 1: and all this stuff. But yeah, you didn't hear that. No, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's been another big thing, like go off and
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Speaker 1: sleep in the woods. And why I wonder if he
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Speaker 1: tried to do that and died. I mean I figured
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Speaker 1: I would to find found him then, like what just
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Speaker 1: let me just go off and sleep in the woods, Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, And the story has been that he would
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Speaker 1: do that when they were fighting, he would say, I
11:35
Speaker 1: just want to commit to a side, and so they
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Speaker 1: were fighting during it time, so reportedly he made one
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Speaker 1: of those threats and he was saying, Hey, I just
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Speaker 1: want to like go off in the woods and get lost.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear him say that? Yeah, he said it,
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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: I wascids and you know, because he wants to get
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Speaker 1: sleep in the woods. Yeah exactly. And I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: and it's like so that y'all said late talking about
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Speaker 1: Amanda and you're working on the computer, Okay, then what happens?
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Speaker 1: I mean, he pretty much just you know, I think
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Speaker 1: he'd been up for a couple of days, like tired,
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Speaker 1: Like I mean, you could tell he was barely hanging
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Speaker 1: on and I just passed out on my bed and
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Speaker 1: like I just continued to kind of, you know, work
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Speaker 1: on stuff, and you know, it was gosh, I think
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Speaker 1: you know, the roofers got there like six am or something.
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Speaker 1: They always do that and started really early, and you know,
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Speaker 1: so I was just you know, continuing to get on
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Speaker 1: with stuff from my my day, and you know, I
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Speaker 1: thought it would be a good idea that uh I
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Speaker 1: have you know, a man come over and just kind
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Speaker 1: of have like a cookout thing because you know, I
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Speaker 1: knew Brandon and the him and the roofers, and like
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Speaker 1: I like to cook and stuff, and I know it's
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Speaker 1: kind of odd to have a cookout, but like it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was, Yeah, it was something you know,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you. I felt like I did a
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Speaker 1: man to tell you earlier that day she had to
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Speaker 1: be at some kind of an appointment for her children. No,
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Speaker 1: because that's what they're saying now, there was an appointment
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Speaker 1: that they told you. She told you earlier that day
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Speaker 1: that she had to be at some appointment either with
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Speaker 1: or for her children and could not come over. Mm. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's she just said that she couldn't come over,
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Speaker 1: and after a while I guess, um, but you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't ever remember telling me that that day, Like okay,
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Speaker 1: So anyway, she didn't come over. No, you tried to
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Speaker 1: get him to call him and and advite her over
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Speaker 1: to kind of like make the pace. Did he do it? No?
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Speaker 1: Not that I know of. And I mean that's why
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Speaker 1: I tried to talk to her on his phone because
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Speaker 1: I didn't have her number, and that's why I had
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Speaker 1: his phone in the first place was to call her
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Speaker 1: and ask her, mainly if you needed to be at
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Speaker 1: work that day, because I didn't know, and he, you know,
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Speaker 1: had to be work at nights most of the time.
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Speaker 1: So and then what happened. And then I kind of
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Speaker 1: just went on my day, like I mean, I just
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Speaker 1: went and did you know stuff I normally do. I
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Speaker 1: went to lowse Um. I had to drop a laptop
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Speaker 1: off that i'd fix for somebody. What did you need
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Speaker 1: it lose? I mean I was fixing my house up.
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Speaker 1: So I can't tell you exactly what it was. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just so you gotta lose. You got to the grocery
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Speaker 1: store first. I went to go to off this laptop
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Speaker 1: off that was down um off of Um. Gosh. It's
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Speaker 1: my friend Rickey's house, which was like downtown pretty much.
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Speaker 1: He's ever you're doing about your day, You're doing your
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Speaker 1: thing and um, you type the computer to Ricky he lives.
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Speaker 1: He lives um pretty much downtown, I mean downtown Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: And you were all the way up here in Cannes,
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Speaker 1: saw and I told him to come with me. That's
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Speaker 1: forty minutes. And for forty minutes at least, it's probably
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Speaker 1: more like three hours or something like that. Yeah, by
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Speaker 1: the time you get get there forty minutes in their
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes back forty minutes at best. Okay, So you
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Speaker 1: leave him where she was upstairs just I mean the
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Speaker 1: next point, I mean, yeah, he was just asleep because
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Speaker 1: you know, this is probably like eight o'clock, you know,
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Speaker 1: m Yeah, alright, so for like five hours, probably not
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Speaker 1: even maybe four, I'd say four five. I want I
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Speaker 1: always say nothing good happens after midnight. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: always get an arguments and everything goes sideways at minight.
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Speaker 1: Y okay. So yeah, because I don't want to get
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Speaker 1: any I don't want to lose any of this because
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Speaker 1: I'm piecing it all together and make a timeline. All right,
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Speaker 1: So you go at eight, nine, ten thirty, you get
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Speaker 1: back what's he doing sleeping? The same exact thing. Door open, closed,
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Speaker 1: doors open at this point because he's still in my room. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and this is when I got him up. Um. And
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Speaker 1: I mean I basically woke up and was like, yo,
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Speaker 1: come with me, come on, I'm gonna have a cookout,
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Speaker 1: you know, call Amanda. And I dropped all the day
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Speaker 1: plans on it because I was like, man, I figured
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Speaker 1: he'd be up by now, you know, ready to go
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Speaker 1: and rolling, and got him up and then I, you know,
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Speaker 1: I got to put him in the other bedroom because
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Speaker 1: I was going to work on some stuff in my
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Speaker 1: room at this point, and because I had like a
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Speaker 1: four bedroom house, so yeah, kind of saw and it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, you know, there's no point
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Speaker 1: let him sleep in my room. Continue when I got
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Speaker 1: crap I gotta do, and um, you know, I was
16:31
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, irritated at this point because
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, wanted to be up so
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Speaker 1: we can get stuff, kind of rolling, but you know,
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Speaker 1: he was you know, also you know, I had I
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Speaker 1: could tell he hadn't been sleeping for a couple of days,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I had been fighting or whatnot. So
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Speaker 1: he went in the other bedroom. Door open, shut, door opened.
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Speaker 1: So later that day, you gave the roofers a tour
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Speaker 1: of your home. Let's see there, see, I didn't really
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Speaker 1: came a tour of my home because they've been there before.
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Speaker 1: They told many that you gave him a tour of
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Speaker 1: your home that they showed you showed me around your house.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, but like that will probably at
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Speaker 1: like four o'clock or something, four or five o'clock. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I didn't really think that was day. Yeah, But so
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Speaker 1: you come back, you get back ten thirty eleven ish,
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Speaker 1: you move them from your bedroom to the other bedroom.
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Speaker 1: He crashes door open, and you do what I start
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Speaker 1: going and getting, you know, I have to, that's a
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Speaker 1: that point. I'd go a week day or week it's
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Speaker 1: a week day. Yeah, oh yeah, Amanda wasn't working, so
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Speaker 1: she could come out probably. I mean that's what I thought,
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think she'd do anything, take care
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Speaker 1: of the kids, like and uh, I kind of wanted to,
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Speaker 1: you know, squash this, you know, fighting thing if it was,
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Speaker 1: but it was let's see a roomor I give Chase
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Speaker 1: sixty bucks too. I told I gave him sixty bucks
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Speaker 1: a night before. He asked me for a month, and uh,
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Speaker 1: I told him, you know, yeah, and I'll give you this.
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Speaker 1: But at sixty bucks he had in his pocket the
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Speaker 1: whole time. I'm pretty sure. I mean, I don't think
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Speaker 1: he left came back where I was, you know, gone
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Speaker 1: that I know of. You know, So you get back,
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Speaker 1: trying to wake him up. He goes in the other round.
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Speaker 1: Then you start doing what after that? That's at that
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Speaker 1: point I go to publics and Lows and that's when
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Speaker 1: um um I went and grabbed I forget what it was,
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Speaker 1: I need to grab it, uh lows, but um I
18:23
Speaker 1: grab the list stuff to cook with a Publix and
18:27
Speaker 1: that's when I came back basically started with the grill.
18:32
Speaker 1: And it's probably you know, one two o'clock at this point.
18:34
Speaker 1: And you know, after I started to grill, I like
18:38
Speaker 1: set the backyard, like I had a bunch of coals
18:40
Speaker 1: that pretty much one some blew out of the yard
18:43
Speaker 1: and like I mean, rufus Lily had to get off
18:45
Speaker 1: the house because it was like so smoky from a
18:47
Speaker 1: fire that I started them back. Yeah, and because there's
18:50
Speaker 1: nobody behind me and Canna saw it was like all
18:53
Speaker 1: woods back there. And uh, basically after that, that's when
18:57
Speaker 1: I went and tried to, you know, get chased something like, man,
19:00
Speaker 1: did you see the fire in the backyard because the
19:02
Speaker 1: bet room he was in was directly by the back
19:05
Speaker 1: you mean, you could see that fire like you know,
19:08
Speaker 1: playing his day, you know, and that's when I realized
19:10
Speaker 1: he wasn't there anymore. And what time was that? I
19:13
Speaker 1: want to say it was like two or three o'clock
19:16
Speaker 1: when you came back from publix. Was he there? I
19:19
Speaker 1: didn't check with the bedrooms upstairs. So you lay for
19:26
Speaker 1: publics at what time? Gosh, probably twelves or something like that,
19:30
Speaker 1: and he was there. You get back from publics, you
19:34
Speaker 1: don't go up there. The pine straw catches on fire,
19:37
Speaker 1: and you go up there at what time about I
19:40
Speaker 1: want to see you. It was like between like one
19:44
Speaker 1: or two o'clock. It's been like maybe one or one
19:46
Speaker 1: hour or anything like that. Not even not long like
19:48
Speaker 1: before the last time, maybe maybe one third for you
19:51
Speaker 1: to lave him. Go to lows, go to publics, get back,
19:54
Speaker 1: start a fire, put the fire out, and go up there.
19:57
Speaker 1: It's probably two o'clock. I mean it was gone, and
20:01
Speaker 1: he was gone, and like he he had taken his
20:03
Speaker 1: bag and everything that he had, like he had a
20:05
Speaker 1: little bag and and then he had his He left
20:07
Speaker 1: his two little balls of beer in my in the closet.
20:10
Speaker 1: But other than that, how big was it back It's
20:13
Speaker 1: like a backpack. Was it a backpack? Yeah, it was
20:17
Speaker 1: a backpack. Seeing Glaze with his backpack in sixty bucks
20:22
Speaker 1: helped him take his bags to the other room though, right, Yeah,
20:25
Speaker 1: it was that back then, backpacking like a you know,
20:28
Speaker 1: grocery bag of two bottles of beer or something like that.
20:31
Speaker 1: So did you see it kind of that he was laming. Yeah,
20:35
Speaker 1: he did that every time, like he would just disappear
20:37
Speaker 1: every time. Every time then I then he was over
20:40
Speaker 1: my house. He would always ever tell me he was
20:41
Speaker 1: even he would just disappear. The man would like him
20:43
Speaker 1: up like, so that was his m O. So I
20:45
Speaker 1: wasn't too world. You've been over in disappear two or three.
20:49
Speaker 1: I mean, each time you've been in my house, he
20:51
Speaker 1: always just left because I was always like trying to
20:54
Speaker 1: get to do something in or like you know, something
20:56
Speaker 1: like a cook out or just I feel like something
20:59
Speaker 1: that he didn't want to do. You know. He was
21:02
Speaker 1: you know all about like just kind of getting stoned
21:05
Speaker 1: at that point. And you know, like I said, I
21:07
Speaker 1: wasn't really smoking, so it was I mean it was
21:14
Speaker 1: on another topic a man to hit on you. I
21:18
Speaker 1: mean it was you know, like yeah, I would say yeah,
21:25
Speaker 1: like what like I mean like she was mad at
21:30
Speaker 1: Chase and it was just like you know, um, basically
21:37
Speaker 1: I'm stoned now. Um, you know, anything goes like you know,
21:42
Speaker 1: you just have like that eye connection thing and it's
21:44
Speaker 1: just like you know, you could tell when he play
21:47
Speaker 1: another man thing where he thinks she's so into me
21:50
Speaker 1: and she's like so not. No, I wouldn't say that.
21:54
Speaker 1: So you really think she was hitting on me. I
21:57
Speaker 1: mean it's not like hitting on me like grab my
21:59
Speaker 1: ass or anything, but like I mean, she was like,
22:03
Speaker 1: you know, feeling it out at least, like I mean,
22:07
Speaker 1: she called me and told me to come over there
22:09
Speaker 1: to bring her some pot for like you know, just
22:13
Speaker 1: some bizarre reason. Like you know, it was just kind
22:16
Speaker 1: of I think she's trying to get back at Chrise.
22:19
Speaker 1: You know. I hope so like that was that was
22:23
Speaker 1: kind of what because otherwise that makes it Yeah, okay,
22:27
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, back to the day, all right, So
22:30
Speaker 1: around you think two o'clock, you notice he's not gone
22:33
Speaker 1: and his backpack is gone. Now, earlier that day you
22:36
Speaker 1: had taken his cell phone with you mine, because I mean,
22:42
Speaker 1: I think I just really had it with me, but
22:44
Speaker 1: I really wanted him to stay and you know, wait
22:46
Speaker 1: for him to manage to come over because I knew
22:49
Speaker 1: he always left, like that was him up. You know,
22:51
Speaker 1: he always leaves. So if I had a cell phone.
22:53
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna leave right away. And but that was
22:55
Speaker 1: like early in the morning when I thought that a man.
22:57
Speaker 1: And then we come over and before right you know,
23:00
Speaker 1: moved from out of the bedroom, and uh, because I
23:03
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to him again, you know, to
23:05
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, nothing crazy was going to happen.
23:08
Speaker 1: But you know, so would the roofers have been in
23:13
Speaker 1: a position to save like they should have, Like that's
23:16
Speaker 1: what I thought, you know, That's why I assumed they
23:18
Speaker 1: just saw him don't leave, because I mean, they were
23:21
Speaker 1: worked there. The house had a steep um see at
23:26
Speaker 1: this point when it was really smoky, they had to
23:28
Speaker 1: get down off the roof there, because that's you know,
23:32
Speaker 1: and that's why I assumed, you know, that Chase had
23:35
Speaker 1: heard them running around or whatever. I don't even know
23:37
Speaker 1: how that he was sleeping with all that noise. Like,
23:40
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been told that you had a big
23:47
Speaker 1: black bag of stuff you threw away a dumpster. What
23:51
Speaker 1: was it? A big black bag, probably ceiling tiles, all
23:57
Speaker 1: kinds of crap. I mean, I'm completely redoing the house.
24:00
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole dunster thing is kind of ridiculous.
24:02
Speaker 1: To me because I had all my neighbors story stuff
24:05
Speaker 1: in it. Like, I mean, it was just like, do
24:10
Speaker 1: you think everybody's wanting to figure at you? Because I'm
24:14
Speaker 1: the person that nobody knows and I'm just like that
24:17
Speaker 1: odd piece to see him and his disappearance doesn't make sense,
24:24
Speaker 1: but in a way it does. If he kept telling people,
24:29
Speaker 1: who's gonna leave and get live in the woods? Are
24:32
Speaker 1: you sure about that? Yeah? That was I mean, that's
24:35
Speaker 1: that's well known to you. I'm pretty sure I mean
24:37
Speaker 1: that that he said that. I think his mom, who
24:39
Speaker 1: knows that, Like, how badly do you think he had
24:44
Speaker 1: Amanda were thought? I mean bad enough to where they
24:50
Speaker 1: she would just throw him out of the car like
24:52
Speaker 1: randomly because they want to fight in front of the
24:54
Speaker 1: kids and stuff, and um, you know that was. Do
25:00
Speaker 1: you think he would actually lave his children? I you know,
25:04
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that, you know, but I mean, and
25:08
Speaker 1: I could say somebody leaving their wife if they fought
25:11
Speaker 1: all the time. But the children, that's the thing that's
25:14
Speaker 1: a where I don't buy him going into the woods
25:18
Speaker 1: because I don't think he would have left those children.
25:20
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that he would have left
25:21
Speaker 1: for a significant period of time, but I definitely a
25:23
Speaker 1: short period of time. And just to kind of that
25:25
Speaker 1: was a relationship between him and his mother, I don't
25:28
Speaker 1: know because she says he always called her back, he
25:31
Speaker 1: always texted her back, and that says she knew something
25:34
Speaker 1: was wrong. I didn't really know his mom, Like I
25:37
Speaker 1: never met his mom, and like he said, I only
25:40
Speaker 1: met him a handful of time truly. Okay, will you
25:42
Speaker 1: take a polygraph with me? Do you want me to
25:43
Speaker 1: take a polygraph? Yes, not sitting right here. I'll set
25:48
Speaker 1: one up and just put the whole thing to rest.
25:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I can if that's what it takes. But
25:54
Speaker 1: it's just it's not a big deal. They're not hard
25:58
Speaker 1: at all. I mean because now I know where you
26:01
Speaker 1: live up kind of right, So we done. Then he's
26:06
Speaker 1: all the way step all the way here right now, dude, No, man,
26:12
Speaker 1: my apartments destroyed. No, this is this is I didn't
26:16
Speaker 1: know that. I want to take a shower interview. I
26:18
Speaker 1: want to take Next episode four of Finding Chase Master,
26:24
Speaker 1: Stephanie Cadina, Chase's mother, finally gets to meet Brad Clements
26:30
Speaker 1: and asked him the question she's been yearning to hear
26:34
Speaker 1: the answers too for so long and we are there.
26:38
Speaker 1: Please join us for episode four, Finding Chase Master, Stephanie,
26:44
Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for? Brad the last person that
26:49
Speaker 1: as of right now we know saw Chase alive. And
26:54
Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of questions hit it,
26:59
Speaker 1: but what was the last thing Chase said to you? When?
27:02
Speaker 1: When was the last time you talked to him? Oh?
27:05
Speaker 1: Last time I talked to him. I mean we were
27:07
Speaker 1: just talking about him and amand it pretty much and uh,
27:10
Speaker 1: you know, it was exact words. I can't you know,
27:15
Speaker 1: I can't remember because I mean we're pretty much just
27:18
Speaker 1: having a good time. Like that was, you know, he'd
27:20
Speaker 1: come over and we were just you know, again, I
27:25
Speaker 1: pretty much reiterated the fact that he was a lucky
27:27
Speaker 1: guy to have, you know, a wife and two little
27:29
Speaker 1: girls that loved him, and I mean that's all I
27:32
Speaker 1: would ever really tell him about that. Like, we never
27:35
Speaker 1: got really into depth of, you know, how they were
27:39
Speaker 1: fighting or what they were fighting over, and I think
27:41
Speaker 1: he mainly just wanted to kind of you know, upbreak
27:44
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