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Terror on the high seas! Hantavirus horror strikes cruise ship, Q&A 195 · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  If we've learned anything from these past couple of years, my fellow Americans, it's that personal medical freedom and liberty are in crisis.
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  America Long Pulse brings together the top experts and health care related fields to keep you a beaten ahead.
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  Well, it is the plot of a horror movie.
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  A mysterious virus creeps through a luxury cruise ship that's following the spring migration of ocean birds out of the Antarctic.
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  The bug which can cause lung and kidney failure isn't supposed to be able to leap between humans, except maybe a can.
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  Three passengers are dead and four more have fallen ill.
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  The hantavirus crisis aboard the cruise line that has been unfolding for nearly a month.
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  And the uninfected passengers, well, they've been stuck aboard the whole time.
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  Wow.
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  That is uh an excerpt here from uh the New York Times, by the way, seek and safe harbor.
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  It's a lot to this story, I'll tell you what.
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  Then you see also the Surgeon General shift there that's happened with the administration.
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  Uh pretty interesting.
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  Uh my colleague called that out here.
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  Uh you've heard of on the broadcast here calling that out.
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  So and QA 195 today here.
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  Welcome into America Out Loud Pulse.
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  It is Malcolm out loud here, along with my co-host.
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  Dr.
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  Peter McCullough, boy, we're on every viral story.
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  Literally a viral story.
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  It is indeed.
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  This one here, I I could not believe.
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  Uh and uh well, we'll talk a little bit more about cruises in general a bit after, but this uh hantavirus uh is not a new thing, is it?
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  But uh it's doing some odd things.
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  Uh what do you make of this on that ship?
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  Well, let's just talk about hantavirus.
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  This is an RNA virus, and it's found in rodents, little mice and rats.
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  And in the desert Southwest years ago, uh, there was an outbreak, and there were fatalities.
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  Uh it's uh it's a virus that causes a horrible syndrome, Malcolm.
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  The patients get very, very sick, the lungs fill up with fluid.
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  Uh there be it begins to be internal hemorrhage.
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  Uh patients go into renal failure and they die.
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  I mean, this is this is bad news.
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  Uh so years ago, the CDC did a wonderful job in investigating hantavirus outbreak and found that the best way to handle it is is get rid of the rodents and people you have to use uh alcohol wipes and things to neutralize the virus, keep yourself uh you know the here's where personal hygiene and cleanliness really, really m matter.
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  And uh so that that outbreak occurred.
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  And there's been some outbreaks in Europe.
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  So now this vessel, the MV Hundius, departs from South America.
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  It's kind of out in the Atlantic Ocean, and then there's an outbreak and of hantavirus, and it turns out people start getting sick and they realize in this older ship there must have been some mice or some rats they came on board that were carrying the virus.
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  Well, well, let me ask you about that now when with what you just said, because I also heard that that could be they don't really know.
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  There are also reports that said that there was a couple, and they think the one because of the incubation period, I think, which can be pretty extensive, I think, if I'm remember correctly, Dr.
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  McCullough.
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  I think it can go up to like six weeks or something like that, the incubation period of the thing.
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  And I think there was uh some c uh some talk about that person may have had it before they even got on the ship.
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  Is what do you think about that?
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  Is that it's possible they don't understand the incubation period in humans nearly as well.
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  It's been thought, well, it could be weeks of time.
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  The problem in the original outbreak studies is that the exposure is not from getting uh bitten by a mouse or uh or a rat.
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  It's actually by the droppings, the urine in the feces and it gets dust, it gets an aerosized into dust.
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  Have you ever been in your house, Malcolm, and you happen to see a beam of light coming through the window at the right angle, and you see how much dust is in the air?
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  100%.
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  Isn't it stunning?
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  I mean, it's stunning how much dust is in the air.
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  Well, that's how people breathe it in.
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  And when you get on a cruise ship, this is an older cruise ship.
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  All you have to have is a a few of these rodents who have the virus get in.
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  You know, they can sneak in somebody's luggage, the luggage is sitting outside.
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  Sometimes the luggage is in containers, people come in from all over.
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  Or it can sneak uh aboard in terms of uh food packages of food.
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  Remember, food is a big part of these these cruises.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  So the the and and you know, mm mice and rats have been aboard ships throughout throughout the history of you know sea navigation.
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  Uh there's no doubt about it.
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  But so the theory is if uh if one of the animals has it, or one of the humans have it, or the animals get it, and it it gets into the dust in the air.
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  Now it recirculates.
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  And so I think it's more likely that one of the animals had it.
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  Now there is a version of Hantavirus where there's been some human-to-human spread, and it's called the Andes version.
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  And it is been has been found in South America.
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  So it's possible.
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  The reason why this came up on focal points, anybody who wants to read a little bit more detail, go to thefocalpoints.com.
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  We've uh featured this.
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  Because you know, there's some of the other stories, as you can expect have dominated the the news cycle, is that uh okay, it was discovered, and and World Health Organization got involved, and the sick people got airlifted off.
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  They got tested, they got found to be have hantavirus.
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  Three people died, four more are sick.
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  What's the predicament?
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  The predicament now is the boat is stuck offshore in South America.
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  They won't allow the people to get off the boat.
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  Yeah.
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  And that always happens.
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  Uh you see that happen quite a bit where they won't let a boat dock.
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  I've I've seen that before with other viruses and things that happen.
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  Uh becomes a risk, and they get uh scared of that.
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  You know, this is um do you remember with COVID 2 when that was happening, there were cruise ships stuck, they couldn't get in anywhere that was happening throughout the city.
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  Yes.
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  Yes, uh, yeah, I remember that.
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  Yeah.
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  And um you know, the the issue is if you're st if you're stuck on the ship and if it's in the dust in the air that's getting recirculated, you literally are a sitting duck.
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  That's exactly duck.
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  You're a sitting duck.
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  You can't get off in and get anywhere.
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  You can't get away from it.
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  What the people in the town are afraid of is they said if these people get off the boat, and if this is the Andes version, they could start spreading it in the town to other people, or even worse, if their luggage is is taken off, and the rats or the mice get out into the town.
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  So the mice get out into the town.
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  Now we're gonna have an outbreak in wherever town they land.
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  Now we're going to have an outbreak in wherever town they land.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So uh you know, we I started to put some thought into this and say, okay, what if I was one of the people on the ship or I was advising?
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  So uh, you know, we I started to put some thought into this and say, okay, what if I was one of the people on the ship, or you know, I was advising.
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  I would say, well, listen, for sure, they need alcohol wipes.
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  I would say, well, listen, for sure, they need alcohol wipes.
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  I hope somebody has helicoptered in a bunch, because that's what kills it is alcohol.
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  I hope somebody is helicoptered in a bunch, because that's what kills it is alcohol.
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  Alcohol and bleach will kill the virus.
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  Alcohol and bleach will kill the virus.
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  They need to bleach and alcohol wipe down everything.
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  They need to bleach and alcohol wipe down everything.
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  They have to.
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  They have to uh get all the dust and the these cleaning systems uh fixed, they have to do some major rodent control.
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  Nowadays there's actually some pretty good products that pretty quickly kill the rodents.
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  Uh I don't know you uh you probably remember in in the past rat bait used to be um coomarin or used to be a form of warfarin where they the animals would would eat it and then they die of internal hemorrhage, the little mice or rodents.
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  Nowadays, uh rat bait, you know what rat bait's made of nowadays?
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  What's that?
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  It's made out of a high dose vitamin D, believe it or not.
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  Yeah, they the animals eat it.
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  Uh the little cubes either taste like peanut butter or what have you, they're really attracted to it.
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  They go in these little houses, they eat it and they die.
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  They die of uh of a vitamin D toxicity.
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  Uh that's very interesting.
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  And when they die, they tend to go off and die far away from humans.
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  Which is which is also very you never see dead rats just laying around restaurants and stuff.
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  They they tend to go far away.
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  So um anyhow, they need some major rodent control.
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  And uh this is an application where masks probably would work because masks could filter out some of the large particulate dust.
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  Right.
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  So you'd want to wear an N95 mask.
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  And very importantly, you'd want to use a nasal spray and a gargoyle and throat spray.
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  Super important.
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  Now, this isn't uh normally, as I understand it in the backstory on this thing, this uh uh virus doesn't easily hop from human to human.
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  It's uh it's a rat rodent to uh human sort of thing.
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  Um does anything when you know, back to some of the things you were describing if they get into town or something else happens.
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  Does anything make this um I don't I mean it's a low risk probably for people for any of us to think we're gonna have this problem.
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  So is it is there anything uh unusual or odd about this that it's jumping from human to human?
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  I mean, they're really concerned that that is a possibility.
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  Could this get to be I'm just asking in in your professional opinion, could this become something else because of that transmission?
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  Well, I mean it's the virus could have opportunity to mutate to really make that jump to human human transmission.
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  There's this Andes version where there's been a few cases where they think it's directly human to human.
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  But you're right, it's hard to do.
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  Um interestingly, uh the virus is thought to be in the dust and it goes directly into the lungs, although I think the nose and the hair cells in the nose and the the mucosa in the throat probably do play a role, a landing zone for the virus.
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  So I think the nasal sprays and gargles would work.
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  But if they airlift all these things in that we have on focal points, um I think the people on the ship have a chance to survive here.
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  Yeah.
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  But my my concern is the public health authorities uh they are so inept.
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  I I bet they're doing none of this.
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  They literally are sitting on having people sit on the ship waiting for them to get sick.
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  The people on the ship have to be at this point in time panicking.
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  And you you you know, you can almost imagine someone saying, Listen, I'm gonna swim it to shore.
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  I'm I I'm just not gonna sit here and be a sitting duck to keep breathing this recirculated air.
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  They may even have people staying in their cabins, which would make worse you'd want to get fresh air.
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  Absolutely.
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  You want to be outside getting fresh air.
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of them are uh, as I see, are in their cabins, they say.
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  But no, people have become a very disturbed.
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  Remember when I started talking about this a moment ago here, uh, they've been on there for a better part of a month here.
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  Uh and uh that's not the kind of cruise that you want to take and with that kind of environment.
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  And a small ship, it's a small older ship.
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  This isn't a carnival thing where there's two thousand people out.
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  This is about two hundred people.
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  It's a smaller ship.
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  If it was me and I was on the ship, Malcolm, I'd say, listen, I'm happy to get off and I'll self-quarantine somewhere and I'll just self-monitor.
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  But I'd want off that ship.
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  Oh, just I would not want to I would just sit there.
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  I'd feel like I'm a sitting duck.
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  And these people, here's the other thing, Malcolm.
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  Who goes on cruises?
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  Older, more frail people.
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  That's right.
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  That's right.
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  Yeah.
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  With compromised immune systems in many cases.
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  Yes.
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  And well, there's just general frailty.
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  Remember, you know, for most viruses, if you have good cardiopulmonary fitness and you're doing, you know, 300 days of walking like you're doing and running like I'm doing, you're gonna survive something like this.
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  But older patients with poor conditioning, heart and lung disease, treated cancer, et cetera, or kidney disease.
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  This is very important because in the end, people die of renal failure.
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  Malcolm, it's just this is an astonishing story.
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  We have to see how this plays out.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, this is going to, um I'm gonna predict we'll do um some well, some damage to the cruise industry again.
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  This one because of the nature and the way this is being presented and the fact that people can surmise as your suggestion right now.
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  What do you do if you're locked into that situation?
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  You know, uh in my younger years, Dee and I used to go on these cruises when we were younger people fair amount.
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  Really?
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  We've been yeah, we've been all over the place.
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  We've been to a cruise in Alaska, we've been in Hawaii.
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  Really?
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  How many cruises have you been on?
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  Oh my golly.
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  Um 15, 20, maybe uh in early years.
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  Yeah, I haven't been in many years.
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  I bet I've been on one.
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  Okay.
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  But I've never been in a situation where I felt like I couldn't get off.
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  Oh, yeah, because uh yeah, that that wasn't uh the problem back then.
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  Yeah, but don't you think the cruise industry now?
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  Oh my god.
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  Yeah.
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  People are gonna say, listen, I sign up for this, something happens, I can't get off the ship.
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  There's another thing that bothered me over time.
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  I stopped going on them many, many years ago.
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  I haven't been on one in so long I it's been oh my golly, let me think back.
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  Uh probably 20 years, 20 years, maybe a little more than that, probably.
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  Because we used to go on them a fair amount here and there.
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  D loved to go on those things and uh I could tolerate them a little bit.
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  Uh so we did them, you know, kind of thing.
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  And even today she's been saying to me, oh, we go on a cruise.
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  Go to, I said, honey, I do I am I have zero interest in going on those boats again.
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  Um because I started to see the way they were things were being handled.
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  I don't have the security uh sense and feeling uh because I've seen too many of these now become stranded, and this is not relation to this story, although this story pushes it even more over the top.
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  But even, you know, I'll tell you what, uh Peter, even back when um things were getting a little heated uh over time now in our country where uh we we're we became more of a um terror prone, terror attacks, that sort of thing.
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  And uh and I started because I've gotten more so much more knowledgeable over the past many years in this field that you know, it was first hand information, uh speaking of terrorism experts and others who uh you know uh spelled it out, sleeper cells problems, issues.
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  It was firsthand information.
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  Speaking of terrorism experts and others who uh, you know, uh spelled it out sleeper cells problems, issues.
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  And I thought, you know, these cruise ships, you've got you've got to figure you've got in mo many cases, not like this particular boat here, which is this is a luxury one with people that probably spent a lot of money for this, by the way.
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  And I thought, you know, these cruise ships, you've got you've got to figure you've got in many cases, not like this particular boat here, which is this is a luxury one with people that probably spent a lot of money for this, by the way.
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  This isn't a cheap uh little cruise thing, I think you cruise.
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  This isn't a cheap uh little cruise thing, but thinking cruise.
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  But um, those big ones, oh, you're you're talking thousands of people, a couple, three thousand people on those, but they pack they pack them in, not not to be uh pun here uh pun here, but like rats.
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  But um, those big ones, oh you're you're talking thousands of people.
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  Yeah, they type about pack them in like rats.
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  And you sort of feel that way a little bit.
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  And I just I lost the illusion of this cruising business.
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  And I remember them doing all that, and and it was just you you didn't feel comfortable anymore.
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  But but I started thinking when I got into this, what would prevent somebody, these lunatics?
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  I mean, if you want to take something down and do some damage, it's as good as going into a city and doing something where you're gonna hit several.
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  Think about how these pirates, Somali pirates or see what's going on in the Strait of Home News, how easily they can uh board ships.
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  They've done it.
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  They've done if you go to a speed boat and and board a cruise ship and start holding people hostage.
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  They've done it.
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  It just it just looks like you're right.
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  It's just it's just a sitting duck for terrorism.
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  It really is sitting duck for now these infectious diseases, this idea of a fatal disease and you can't get off the ship.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh Melbourne.
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  Yeah, I and I'm not I'm not the dude you want to have on with that kind of atmosphere.
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  Let me tell you what.
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  I this this would not be a good scene for Mr.
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  Out Loud here on a ship like that, being told I can't leave.
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  Uh, you know I'm getting off that damn ship.
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  Uh and um there's no way you're gonna keep me hostage.
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  I'm not I I'm not a good I I don't play uh victim or uh hostage real well, uh Peter.
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  So I was you know it's interesting.
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  I was recently in New York and I was on a bunch of big shows, and there was a you know, I was with all the advertising agencies, what have you, and there was some conversation in the back room on this where the cruise ship companies had called the stations and said, pull our ads.
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  Yep.
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  Because now's not a good time to advertise for a cruise.
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  No, no, no, no.
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  Yeah, so I'm I'm not uh I I don't think I would ever go on one again, uh, frankly, not because of this story, but because of many thoughts and the stories.
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  I lost uh the the polish and the uh illusion or the luster of these things many years ago.
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  And um for a lot of reasons, and you know, you and I'm I'm a bit of a germaphobe anyways, and with these things, there's a lot of germs around a lot of you everybody's packed into these things.
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  I don't like lines, I don't like a lot of elbow to elbow stuff.
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  I'm not that's why, you know, it is frankly, we don't know about you, but I avoid like big public places anyways, like uh uh con uh concerts and that kind of thing.
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  There's some people I would love to see, uh, but they go to these large venues.
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  I like something more intimate at a a performing art, something a little more intimate that is a little nicer than to have so many people that you're out of control and you just never know what's happening in these kinds of environments.
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  So they're they're not kind of not my thing.
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  How about you?
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  You you looked at the I recently I actually I went to a Yankees game first time in Yankee Stadium.
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  Cool.
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  But um my host was actually ESPN, and so they were wonderful.
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  We had you know the elite boxes and great service.
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  That makes it nice.
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  And then yeah, we went to the bottom in uh Yankees won big that night.
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  We watched uh Judge hit a uh two run homer in the first inning.
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  And then we left at the bottom of the fourth inning, and then we we went right over to Madison Square Garden and we saw the second half of the Sixers versus the Knicks game.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  But again, we're in the ESPN booth and people are serving us, and we have a lot of personal space.
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  And but people were packed in there.
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  And you know, every so often I'll go to these events, but uh I I agree with you, you know, at least in a concert or something like this, you can actually get out.
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  What what bothers me is these cruise ships, for instance, uh, and this is well documented by the the CDC in the last couple of years.
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  I mean, there've been over over a dozen outbreaks of the Norwalk virus, another virus.
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  That's right.
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  Norwich virus causes nausea vomiting and diarrhea, but uniquely, it's passed in the air.
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  Yep.
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  I remember that someone uses a restroom, you know, at the restaurant there.
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  Oh, it's happened a lot on ships, by the way.
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  Those are common.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  In fact, almost all the Norwalk viruses occur uh viruses outbreaks occur on ships.
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  Now, of interest, the vaccine industry is coming up with a vaccine for people to take to prevent Norwalk virus before you get on a cruise ship.
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  Oh my god.
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  Oh, and listen to this.
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  Wow.
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  Moderna is developing a hantavirus vaccine.
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  Oh my god.
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  Yeah, you you can't make this up.
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  So cruises, uh, as good as they look, folks, uh, both uh Dr.
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  McCullough and Malcolm are sane.
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  We would be reserved right now.
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  And uh I know some of our listeners are avid cruise goers.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  No, yeah.
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  Um, I'll get one more cruise story.
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  I have to tell you this.
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  My brother um was on a one of these river cruises in Europe.
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  Those are nice.
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  Those are nice, by the way.
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  But guess what happens?
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  He gets COVID and they pull him off the ship, they do a PCR test, and he's in Cologne, Germany.
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  Yeah, and they said, Listen, you've got COVID.
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  We're locking you into a COVID hotel.
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  They took away his passport.
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  He lost all his rights.
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  He's now in a COVID hotel in Germany.
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  He got sick enough where man, he was hospitalized.
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  Yeah, I remember these stories actually.
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  They were they were not rare.
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  They there were a lot of that happening where people were being held against their will because you had this uh COVID thing and everything, everybody overshot the runaway on that story.
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  But uh yeah, I don't know.
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  But I, you know, you you mentioned the Yankees.
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  I uh you know, I've been to Stadium and that sort of thing.
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  I love sports.
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  I'd uh you know, it is nice to go to those kinds of games and stuff.
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  And you're right, when you're in those prestige boxes, there it's a beautiful um time.
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  You can really have a great time.
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  Uh but you you just have to be careful in public spaces.
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  It's a different world today than it was uh back then.
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  Uh it's a different world.
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  I think back to my younger days, a young guy, and I had no problem going to those things.
• 20:10
  I take a little more precaution today, and I worry about the kids when I say the kids, the the college kids now, but still the young people who are um a little more fearless and they always want to go and run and play, like we well, like we all did when we were that age, of course.
• 20:23
  But um it's it's a it's an odd world today.
• 20:25
  It's just a little given.
• 20:26
  Have you ever gotten claustrophobic in a big crowd where you're so pressed together?
• 20:30
  I do.
• 20:30
  I I do a little bit.
• 20:32
  Yeah, I never had that serious problem, but I I I get a little uptight, I guess.
• 20:36
  I don't know, I don't think it's a severe case of it, but I get a little uptight.
• 20:38
  Do you it happened to me one time, and it really happened where uh my wife and I took our kids that were really small and we lived in Kansas City, and if anybody's from Kansas City, you know what I'm talking about.
• 20:48
  We went to the Christmas tree lighting ceremony in the um, you know, in the uh midtown part of uh Kansas City and uh country club plaza area, and the crowd was so enormous, and the streets were filled, and we literally were physically pressed against the walls of some store in Country Club Plaza.
• 21:00
  Was so enormous and the streets were filled, and we literally were physically pressed against the walls of some store in Country Club Plaza.
• 21:09
  And I thought to myself, if something happens here, uh we we can't physically get through these people to get out to get to some free space.
• 21:09
  And I thought to myself, if something happens here, we we can't physically get through these people to get out to get to some free space.
• 21:18
  And and you can start to get a little panicky.
• 21:18
  And you can start to get a little panicky.
• 21:21
  100%.
• 21:21
  100%.
• 21:22
  In Chinese, there's a word for this.
• 21:22
  In in Chinese, there's a word for this.
• 21:24
  When I've been to China, my Chinese friends have told me there's a word for this where if you get so packed in.
• 21:24
  When I've been to China, my Chinese friends have told me there's a word for this where if you get so packed in that you can't move, there is there's a panic that can set in.
• 21:34
  And you always want to be able to overcome that.
• 21:37
  And so, you know, I I am one now where I uh I I feel like I feel so much better if I have an escape route.
• 21:44
  Well, let me ask you this.
• 21:46
  Do you ever go into a public place?
• 21:47
  This is how I am, and I don't know.
• 21:49
  I'm curious if you are the same way.
• 21:50
  If we go in, whether it's another couple or somebody, it's not a who's who I'm with or whatever.
• 21:55
  And I go into some public place or a venue or a restaurant for sure for dinner or what have you.
• 21:59
  I not only want to know from the host where they're sitting us, I per I prevail the I pursue I pre preview the the restaurant or the facility very quickly from my my eyes left to right, up and down at one day.
• 22:13
  And you're not going to put me just anywhere.
• 22:14
  And and basically I always sit on the opposite side.
• 22:17
  I like to I'd never like my back to the door or my back to it.
• 22:20
  I it's just a thing.
• 22:21
  I've always been this way.
• 22:22
  I like to see what's going on in the room.
• 22:24
  How about you?
• 22:25
  Yeah, well, I tell you one thing is I tend to be very aware of the room.
• 22:29
  Yeah.
• 22:30
  And uh aware of what's going on and this happens, but you know, it's for a different reason.
• 22:35
  You know what's happened time and time again, Malcolm?
• 22:37
  What's that?
• 22:38
  Someone's had a cardiac arrest.
• 22:40
  Oh, wow.
• 22:40
  Or something's happened.
• 22:42
  And I can't tell you how many times that's come up where it's like, you know, an awareness.
• 22:47
  I go to church and I have an awareness.
• 22:49
  In fact, a couple of weeks ago, somebody uh completely paid.
• 22:52
  Well, I'll tell you, if I was in one of those things and and I was there, I would love to have a Dr.
• 22:56
  Peter McCullough right there for me.
• 22:57
  I'll tell you what, I was having a problem.
• 22:59
  It'd be good if you jumped into action and said, okay, I'm here to save the day.
• 23:03
  Uh but um, anyways, let's turn the page a little bit and talk about this other big story that you predicted, and you've talked about this on multiple occasions because we covered this story for quite some time.
• 23:14
  And there's a lot of oddities going on with this surgeon general uh position, frankly.
• 23:18
  Um, but um this is now uh as you said, uh means was not um Casey means was not um up for the challenge, I guess.
• 23:28
  And and and so we've got here this uh sapphire, which is coming under a lot of criticism as well, by the way.
• 23:34
  There's a lot of backstories about this one that they're not happy with.
• 23:37
  She was very critical, by the way.
• 23:38
  They're now pulling out previous tweets and things she put out there for the Trump administration and RFK.
• 23:44
  I don't know.
• 23:44
  I don't know if she's going to have a smooth role either.
• 23:47
  Uh what do you think about this?
• 23:48
  Is it a good move or bad move?
• 23:50
  Well, remember the surgeon in general is supposed to be kind of the the you know independent voice uh of somebody in medicine in the United States, not under one of the you know uh agencies for research or drug regulation or um, you know, uh communicable diseases, but also in charge of the public health service, which is a different role.
• 24:13
  So should be a leader of others.
• 24:16
  So uh they're usually somebody in a in a military uniform who's a surgeon general, and they can be quite influential.
• 24:22
  Luther Terry in 1964 comes to mind, uh C.
• 24:25
  Everett Coop, uh Bernadette Healy.
• 24:28
  So they can be influential.
• 24:30
  Uh what the Trump administration has done is they have and it's kind of unclear who actually is picking who.
• 24:38
  They seem to um pick people they see on TV, quite honestly.
• 24:42
  Exactly.
• 24:43
  So for the first time, and you know, I'm just gonna go to the city.
• 24:45
  Yeah, because they picked Jeanette Neshua, remember for an attention.
• 24:47
  Well, remember, uh, I'm in the frequent uh commentator group at Fox.
• 24:51
  So people see me on, I was just on, you know, Fox New York City uh yesterday.
• 24:55
  So uh so people will see me in this group.
• 24:58
  So in my group, a lot of people were chosen for roles.
• 25:01
  So Jeanette Neshuat is chosen.
• 25:04
  Yeah.
• 25:04
  And it turns out you know she's a family doctor and you know, has this pathway.
• 25:09
  And I'll just be honest with you.
• 25:11
  If one wants to go into medicine and they really don't have the grades to make it, uh many of them just go to the Caribbean and they can get kind of a Caribbean medical degree and come back.
• 25:20
  It it's a it's a pathway.
• 25:22
  Yeah, yeah.
• 25:23
  Well, she does this, and of interest in Neshuat, this is terrible, Malcolm.
• 25:28
  I don't know if you knew this, but when she was like eight years old, she um uh is playing with a rifle and accidentally kills her father.
• 25:37
  Oh dear.
• 25:38
  This was terrible.
• 25:39
  I did not know that.
• 25:40
  So she becomes a family doctor, and she's goes on Fox News and she runs some urgent cares, and then she's caught in one of these COVID videos with the nurses dancing and having nothing to do.
• 25:50
  They're dancing and having fun.
• 25:52
  Uh you know, so that was bad.
• 25:55
  Anyhow, she's nominated and ever and she's connected to somebody else who through uh through her husband's connections uh to the Trump administration.
• 26:03
  All this comes out, and they said, Listen, we're dropping her.
• 26:07
  Then they pick Paula um Casey Means who doesn't even finish her residency.
• 26:13
  She drops out because of a breakdown, nervous breakdown, doesn't come back, writes a kind of a diet book, and none of this makes sense.
• 26:20
  Her brother was a Purdue pharma assistant consultant or something.
• 26:24
  He's he's somehow a senior advisor in the administration.
• 26:27
  Their father's Grady means who's apparently a influential person, but he's also kind of uh dubious.
• 26:35
  He wrote this transgender promotional pamphlet, grading means the whole thing is just the whole means family is just uh just so odd, and why are they of influence in Washington?
• 26:45
  She goes down in this pre-hearing.
• 26:48
  Um she's just she's not qualified at all.
• 26:50
  And neither Neshuette or Means has ever led large groups of people, has no essential peer review contributions, never made scientific contributions and what have you.
• 27:00
  That's what happens.
• 27:01
  So this was going on the last year and a half.
• 27:03
  Now we have Nicole Sapphire.
• 27:04
  Nicole's in my group at Fox 2.
• 27:07
  Nicole's interesting, where uh she has a teenage pregnancy, and she chooses pro-life.
• 27:15
  She actually keeps the baby and and um uh tries to go into medical school, same thing, goes to the Caribbean, comes back, and then becomes like a very specialized um radiologist, a radiologist who only looks at mammograms.
• 27:29
  That's all she does.
• 27:31
  And then in 2018, she gets a Fox News contract and she's giving, she presents herself well, and she's on Fox News, what have you, and then kind of goes into the pandemic.
• 27:40
  But you know, we're three out of three now.
• 27:43
  Zero leadership skills for large numbers of people, no public health service, no substantial scientific contributions, no clinical contributions.
• 27:51
  It's like, what in the world?
• 27:53
  So does she make it?
• 27:54
  Do you predict she makes it or not?
• 27:55
  Well, yeah, I think she's gonna make it, but Malcolm, I mean, there are so many qualified people.
• 28:00
  Are so many qualified people.
• 28:02
  I mean, why not pick somebody qualified?
• 28:02
  Why not pick somebody qualified?
• 28:04
  And people say, well, everybody on the inside is is um, you know, biased.
• 28:04
  And people say, well, everybody on the inside is biased.
• 28:08
  Uh not that's not the case.
• 28:09
  That's not the case.
• 28:10
  Yeah, there are people on the inside who I'm sure have now much more fair views about what happened through the pandemic that they should interview.
• 28:10
  There are people on the inside who I'm sure have now much more fair views about what happened through the pandemic that they should interview.
• 28:17
  There's nobody in the public health service, or nobody in Washington that was gonna respect Neshuet means or now sapphire.
• 28:17
  There's nobody in the public health service, or nobody in Washington that was going to respect Neshuette means or now Sapphire.
• 28:25
  They're not.
• 28:25
  They're not.
• 28:25
  Yep.
• 28:25
  Yeah, no, no, no.
• 28:26
  No, no, no.
• 28:27
  Uh I I think this has become uh a real uh
• 28:27
  I think this has become a real um a thing with uh with Trump.
• 28:32
  Uh he picked out Pete Hegh for the same reason.
• 28:35
  If these uh cats were not on the camera and he didn't see them, he would they did, you know, for the lack of the fact that they well, how do you say this?
• 28:44
  Uh many of them are not the cream of the crop or the best of the crowd.
• 28:47
  There are others, other choices within that that could be selected, but because they had the exposure on that channel, uh, they tend to get a nod.
• 28:56
  Yeah, but there's others that have exposure.
• 28:58
  Big time.
• 28:59
  Big time.
• 28:59
  So I mean, let's look in the military.
• 29:01
  Who's the uh once Heg Saith gets off?
• 29:04
  There's somebody else who gets in there a general and explains what's going on.
• 29:07
  What's his name?
• 29:08
  Oh, you're talking about um you're talking about correct.
• 29:12
  Uh it'll come to me here.
• 29:13
  Let me see if I can uh yeah.
• 29:15
  Uh, but you listen to that guy.
• 29:17
  You're talking about Jack Keene, Jack Keene.
• 29:19
  Jack King.
• 29:19
  Yeah, you listen to that guy.
• 29:21
  He knows what's going on.
• 29:22
  Yeah.
• 29:22
  So he would be somebody who I think would be very Well He's been talking of the Trump administration a lot on the backside.
• 29:28
  Uh he's he, you know what it is?
• 29:30
  He he he's a little too uh, he's too old now.
• 29:33
  He's older, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but that he wouldn't take him.
• 29:38
  They've already passed that.
• 29:39
  That's already passed through uh maybe too old.
• 29:41
  But what I'm saying is if they would have had somebody qualified who really understands defense or what have you.
• 29:46
  Yeah, yeah.
• 29:46
  Listen, I'm a commentator on the news, you'll see me on the news, what have you?
• 29:50
  That's only one thing.
• 29:52
  Well, you and I can my golly.
• 29:54
  Yep, you're not talking apples and apples here.
• 29:56
  You have a whole background.
• 29:58
  But what I'm saying is they're all qualified people.
• 30:00
  That's we just haven't chosen any of these positions.
• 30:04
  And the problem is if they're not truly qualified, yeah, they are not respected internally.
• 30:10
  No, and I'm gonna tell you right now, I do not think Dr.
• 30:13
  Nicole Shafire is the right one for that role.
• 30:15
  In my opinion, I do not think she is.
• 30:17
  And I she's okay.
• 30:20
  To me, she's a just vanilla and a little vanilla for that role.
• 30:25
  And I don't see anything extraordinary happen with that.
• 30:28
  So I'm I don't think that was a great choice at all, frankly.
• 30:31
  But that's it.
• 30:32
  Just no one is explaining where these choices come up, how they're being developed.
• 30:38
  Yeah.
• 30:38
  Now, interestingly, there's um uh a candidate you didn't mention for the CDC now.
• 30:44
  Don't forget, both of these positions have been open.
• 30:46
  We're gonna be going on two years, which is astonishing.
• 30:49
  So the CDC acting director right now is the NIH director, which is Dr.
• 30:53
  Jay Botacara.
• 30:55
  He's also on Fox News, and you know, a nice guy, I know him, but he has no bona fide scientific contributions, he has no research contributions, and he's no clinical contributions.
• 31:04
  And again, here we are.
• 31:06
  How can you someone who's leading the National Institutes of Health should have a long-standing NIH research track record?
• 31:12
  They should know how these grants work and the agency works.
• 31:15
  That's not him.
• 31:17
  And CDC, someone who leads the CDC, ought to really know how this 12,000-person agency works.
• 31:24
  How does the public health uh you know agency interface with others?
• 31:28
  So what happened is we've had a bunch of people get shot down for that one, and now we're up to Dr.
• 31:34
  Erica Schwartz.
• 31:36
  Uh Erica Schwartz uh was um I think the assistant to the Surgeon General in the past.
• 31:42
  She has decades of public health service.
• 31:45
  She has all the degrees in public health.
• 31:47
  She, you know, she has every bona fide uh credential.
• 31:51
  And what I've seen uh in terms of online is people criticizing her.
• 31:56
  Oh, she's pro-vaccine or pro-mandate.
• 31:58
  And what I've said publicly is that listen, here we finally have somebody qualified to leave it an agency who will be respected internally.
• 32:05
  Let's talk to her and see what her views are now.
• 32:09
  Let's give her a chance.
• 32:10
  I mean, so if we get somebody qualified, the people in the health freedom movement immediately shoot them down.
• 32:16
  And the health freedom movement immediately supporting people who are grossly unqualified, like like uh Paula Casey means.
• 32:22
  I mean, it's like good grief.
• 32:24
  Well, uh, there's a disconnect there, uh, 100% for sure here.
• 32:28
  Okay, let's uh transition a little bit.
• 32:30
  I want to get to more questions today because we have uh like a lot, a ton, and as you've all been reaching to us and also want to get to some of those QA 195 here.
• 32:40
  Uh so uh let's let's do that.
• 32:42
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• 35:40
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• 35:47
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• 36:13
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• 36:16
  Anyways, long story short, uh there's been a lot of interest in seeing all these keynote speeches and the panel discussions and the information that'll flow from that.
• 36:25
  And uh you'll have your chance now.
• 36:27
  Uh, we'll be telling you more about this in the in the days ahead.
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• 40:42
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• 40:49
  At the very top of that, you'll say play offense with your health, not defense, which is what I tell, of course, Dr.
• 40:54
  McCullough and I have been I've been uh I should trademark that now.
• 40:57
  I've been saying that for some time here.
• 40:59
  I need to trademark that.
• 41:01
  But it's just the way I feel, it's just the way I feel.
• 41:04
  And I asked Dr.
• 41:04
  McCullough for what changes he would in the daily regimen, and he gave me some great selections, and I learned a whole lot more of what's in some of these products.
• 41:12
  The the the that I did not realize the magnesiums and the vitamin D's and the zinc and all that.
• 41:17
  So like, wow, these things are like, you know, just bombs for your body, I guess.
• 41:22
  But anyway, so the four products I have on the top there, I I really were taking and we love, and that Dr.
• 41:26
  McCullough suggested.
• 41:28
  Of course, Ultra NAC is just kick-ass.
• 41:30
  I mean, that thing is not just any old NAC.
• 41:33
  It's very, very powerful, and uh that's worth it.
• 41:35
  The ultra-NAC Healthy Heart, which Dr.
• 41:38
  McCullough himself uh brought to light and created that, and that's another one that's got so many great products in it, natural immunity, again for that immune system and uh that important immune system.
• 41:49
  And there's mineral magic, which I wasn't totally on the uh didn't understand what was all part of that, but you got to really look at these things, and those are the four we have at the top there, Dr.
• 41:57
  McCullough, huh?
• 41:58
  Wow, that's great, terrific.
• 42:00
  Terrific.
• 42:00
  Yeah, my wife takes mineral magic.
• 42:00
  Yeah, my wife takes mineral magic.
• 42:02
  Now, that's kind of oriented towards uh bone health, but the other ones I take myself and wellness company, we're continually upgrading, modifying, rethinking, reformulating based on feedback we get from uh customers.
• 42:02
  Now that's kind of oriented towards bone health, but the other ones I take myself and wellness company, we're continually upgrading, modifying, rethinking, reformulating based on feedback we get from uh customers.
• 42:17
  I mean, Healthy Heart was reformulated to be a little bit more oriented towards lowering blood pressure with uh beetroot extract, which uh I personally have high blood pressure.
• 42:17
  I mean, Healthy Heart was reformulated to be a little bit more oriented towards lowering blood pressure with uh beetroot extract, which uh I personally have high blood pressure, so you know I like that as a blood pressure support as well as you know.
• 42:26
  So you know, I like that as a blood pressure support as well as you know, cardiovascular protection.
• 42:31
  Ultra NAC, Malcolm, which was uh, you know, not only Nacetylcysteine, people know about that, but it's been supercharged with milk thistle extract and other liver detoxifants.
• 42:42
  There is hope here that as people take these shots, Pfizer and Moderna, and there must be some uh fatigue of the molecule out there being passed from cell to cell, that the liver may ultimately grab Pfizer Moderna and get rid of it out of the body through detoxification.
• 42:58
  Well, why not boost the liver with ultra NAC?
• 43:02
  And so that was the theory here.
• 43:04
  So now ultra NAC is paired with the ultimate spike detox for the vaccinated who want to get this out of the body.
• 43:12
  So I have ultra NAC right here, so it has uh 400 milligrams of N-acetylcysteine, milk thistle seed extract, liposomal glutathione, and carcetin.
• 43:23
  These work, and then there's some mitor ingredients that actually help stimulate the liver to clear out toxic cells.
• 43:30
  Well, but really, instead of taking five or six products, you take the one and you get it all.
• 43:34
  I think we should retit or rename that.
• 43:36
  We've got to tell uh Galulli over there to name that ultra-kick-ass NAC, you know.
• 43:40
  Well, yeah, after clear that with the Federal Trade Commission.
• 43:44
  But the thing that wellness company does.
• 43:46
  So with ultra NAC is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight ingredients with ultimate spy detox, seven ingredients.
• 43:54
  What we're trying to do with these is give people the maximum value.
• 43:58
  Because one of the things you'll find, Malcolm, if you're interested in natural remedies, if you buy single ingredient products, A, you go broke pretty quickly because you have to buy so many different ones.
• 44:09
  And you know, it gets to be a burden.
• 44:11
  Yeah, oh, big time, big time.
• 44:13
  Well, I again I say it all the time.
• 44:15
  Uh I swear to you, I I 100 million percent believe the wellness companies is in this space of of health and wellness and what they're doing, is uh one of the, if not the most innovative I've seen.
• 44:26
  And a lot of that comes because of our uh friend and colleague here and uh amazing talent, Dr.
• 44:31
  Peter McCullough, who is a chief scientific officer there and put so much of himself into it.
• 44:36
  Uh and that's produced, and and there are others uh that work hard there as well.
• 44:39
  It's a great team, the medical board and all the things.
• 44:41
  They've done some really cool stuff.
• 44:43
  So I I'm uh a big supporter of of this movement as well.
• 44:48
  Also a big supporter of CLEAR, and I want to get that out there and the work they're doing.
• 44:52
  Uh I take that every single morning of my life.
• 44:55
  That is part of my daily regimen, as much as well as you brush your teeth and wash your hands.
• 45:00
  You better believe it a hundred million percent.
• 45:03
  You use the nasal hygiene in the nose and the throat spray.
• 45:06
  I just do it.
• 45:07
  It's it's automatic.
• 45:08
  I don't even think about it anymore.
• 45:09
  I pick up the bottle right there, bing bing bing done.
• 45:12
  Listen, I haven't had any sickness, I haven't had any problems, I haven't had any of that stuff problems.
• 45:16
  And there's a lot of crap going on out there in these seasons, and uh we're able to avoid it.
• 45:21
  And Dia's as well, my wife taking that.
• 45:23
  So I highly recommend those products as well, uh, are fantastic.
• 45:27
  Um so, anyways, good stuff, good stuff.
• 45:29
  Use code out loud in there and take advantage of the savings.
• 45:32
  I want to get now to the questions in QA 195 here.
• 45:35
  And by the way, we're gonna do something just stay tuned here for the information in the next couple of weeks.
• 45:40
  I know you do, anyways, but we're gonna have uh something special too on our 200th here, which is coming up uh be next month.
• 45:46
  Uh and uh we'll do something very unique and special for that broadcast on our 200th.
• 45:51
  So we'll we'll come back to that.
• 45:52
  But I just want to plant that seed with you as well.
• 45:54
  So you'll get the calendar all marked out on your calendar of what to what to be uh looking for here.
• 45:59
  Uh, this first one is from Diane.
• 46:01
  She says, My one employee who got three total C19 shots now has episodes of very high blood pressure, 187 of 171 yesterday, never had any issues with blood pressure.
• 46:13
  How can he find out if this is linked to the shots?
• 46:16
  What type of doctor should he seek out?
• 46:19
  Yeah, I think a general internist, uh, this would be something I would handle in my office as an internist and cardiologist.
• 46:24
  I think the vaccines clearly change blood pressure control for some individuals.
• 46:31
  An antibody to the spike protein would be very reasonable if that's over a thousand for sure.
• 46:36
  The spike is playing a role there, ultimate spike detox, healthy heart, and medication.
• 46:43
  My go-to drug when the blood pressure is out of control like that is a specific beta blocker called NATOL, natalol, N A D O L O L.
• 46:53
  It has what's called intrinsic sympathomimetic capabilities, and it seems to handle this problem unlike other conventional blood pressure drugs.
• 47:02
  So for this one, I found, and listen, this is just through trial and error.
• 47:06
  I have found this approach every time.
• 47:09
  Guess this under control.
• 47:10
  Okay.
• 47:11
  Perfect.
• 47:11
  All right.
• 47:12
  This next one is from Lorraine.
• 47:14
  She says, Dear Malcolm and Dr.
• 47:15
  McCullough, uh, listen to this here.
• 47:17
  You make a brilliant team.
• 47:19
  I just can't thank you enough for all you do, really.
• 47:22
  You emphasize those.
• 47:23
  Oh, I love it.
• 47:25
  I love it.
• 47:26
  I love it.
• 47:26
  Thank you, Lorraine.
• 47:28
  Well, I mean, shouldn't we take a compliment?
• 47:31
  You hung on those words.
• 47:33
  Brilliant.
• 47:34
  And I love the word brilliant, by the way.
• 47:36
  You better believe it.
• 47:37
  You make a brilliant team.
• 47:38
  I just can't thank you enough for all you do, really, she says.
• 47:41
  And then she says, I wondered if, after the so-called vaccines were rolled out, have you seen increases in neurological illnesses, particularly motor neuron disease, a vaxxed man I know, still fit and active two months ago, was just diagnosed with motor neuron this month.
• 47:59
  He's expected to pass next week.
• 48:01
  I can't believe his speed of decline.
• 48:03
  Would be interested to hear your observations.
• 48:06
  There was a paper by Roe and colleagues from Korea, South Korea, showing these neurodegenerative disorders skyrocketed after vaccination.
• 48:16
  And it in what I've noticed is they're not classical presentations of things.
• 48:22
  So it's not classical Parkinson's or classical Alzheimer's or classical ALS or motor neuron disease.
• 48:32
  They have features, mixed features.
• 48:34
  I think former President Biden has one of these where he it's not classic Parkinson's and it's not classic Alzheimer's.
• 48:40
  It's a blend.
• 48:41
  So this is what I'm seeing.
• 48:42
  Now, you know, we're hoping spike detoxification can play a role, but people do need accelerated other therapies.
• 48:50
  I'm greatly worried about this.
• 48:51
  I have a patient who took the shots, high spike protein antibodies, and he's developing a rapid progression of Parkinson's disease.
• 48:58
  And I got him to Parkinson specialist.
• 49:00
  He's on the drugs.
• 49:00
  On the drugs, he texted me.
• 49:00
  He texted me.
• 49:01
  I said, Oh, grief.
• 49:01
  I said, Oh, grief.
• 49:02
  I mean, this is going fast.
• 49:02
  I mean, this is going fast.
• 49:04
  So this rapid progression is seems to be characteristic of uh of what's going on here.
• 49:04
  So this rapid progression is seems to be characteristic of uh of what's going on here.
• 49:11
  And yes, I think it's uh related to the to the vaccine.
• 49:11
  And yes, I think it's uh related to the to the vaccine.
• 49:15
  Yeah, it sounds like it.
• 49:15
  Yeah, it sounds like it.
• 49:17
  Um next one is uh from Danielle.
• 49:17
  Um next one is um from Danielle.
• 49:21
  Uh is it safe to have sex with my husband without a condom?
• 49:21
  Uh is it safe to have sex with my husband without a condom?
• 49:26
  He has had two Moderna shots.
• 49:26
  He has had two moderna shots.
• 49:28
  Um
• 49:28
  Um no boosters.
• 49:30
  Will his sperm somehow infect or affect me?
• 49:33
  I've had zero shots.
• 49:35
  I feel very nervous as we may not know the true answer as we are learning as we go, or do you know this answer definitively?
• 49:42
  Well, we know it definitively within a few months of taking the vaccine.
• 49:47
  And there have been studies that have found the vaccine and the spike protein in ejaculate and it's in sperm.
• 49:53
  And there was a paper by Gatton colleagues in andology showing the effect on the sperm is at least six months after the shots.
• 50:01
  But after that, we don't know, Malcolm.
• 50:03
  Most people stop taking the shots in 2021, honestly.
• 50:06
  And now here we are in 2026.
• 50:09
  We don't know.
• 50:10
  My clinical judgment suggests that the farther we get away from these shots, the safer it is.
• 50:16
  And uh, you know, I think it's uh very reasonable for both partners to be on the ultimate spike detox at least for two weeks, you know, at standard dosing and uh, you know, take reasonable steps.
• 50:29
  Some partners just choose safe sex techniques until they learn more.
• 50:33
  But we simply don't know.
• 50:34
  Now, if both partners got spike antibody levels and they're both below a thousand there, now I feel very convinced that you know that that that should be a perfectly safe situation.
• 50:44
  So maybe to kind of broker this, uh maybe they both should both get spike antibody levels.
• 50:49
  Yeah, well, that's an honest answer there, what you say there.
• 50:51
  I hope that gives you some uh comfort there, Danielle.
• 50:54
  Uh it depends how long it's been, of course.
• 50:56
  And this other one fits into this as well.
• 50:57
  This is from Christopher.
• 50:59
  Uh I said, number one, I am unvaccinated but married to a woman who has been vaccinated and is twice boosted.
• 51:06
  We don't have sex, but what is the chance of me getting a spike protein via shedin?
• 51:11
  Um what do you think?
• 51:13
  Well, I mean, so that'd be four shots, so it's probably still been a couple years.
• 51:18
  Again, I think most of that shedding occurs within the six months or so after the shots, maybe 12 months.
• 51:24
  So I think it's lower.
• 51:25
  Remember, the spike protein is in exosomes, little phospholipid packets.
• 51:28
  They could come out in exhaled breath or close contact.
• 51:32
  Uh but even if one is exposed to the spike protein in the mucosa, that should just in a sense kind of boost the immune system to fight it off.
• 51:39
  It's way different than taking a shot and having it internal.
• 51:42
  So uh at this point in time, I again, if there's any measure that someone could do to kind of size up risk, both get a spike antibody level and see what you got.
• 51:51
  And go to lab corp, go to labs on demand, click infectious diseases and immunity, and sign up, pay 69, get your spike antibody level and see where you are.
• 52:01
  Now listen to this part of this.
• 52:02
  This is from the same uh listener here, Christopher.
• 52:04
  He says, uh, I hadn't heard this uh asked this way before.
• 52:07
  Uh he said I was recently given food to eat by someone who uh is vaccinated.
• 52:14
  She took bites out of the food and gave me the rest.
• 52:16
  What are the chances of me getting the spike protein?
• 52:20
  Oh, I don't know, Malcolm.
• 52:21
  There's never been a strange question, isn't it?
• 52:23
  Yeah, there's never been viral transmission that way.
• 52:26
  Remember when Sanjay Gooped on CNN was teaching people how to sterilize their pizza boxes with the Clorox.
• 52:32
  Remember that during the pandemic.
• 52:34
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:34
  I'm so glad I didn't get on Fox News or Newsmax or ABC and tell people to do that, Malcolm.
• 52:40
  You can't find a clip of Dr.
• 52:41
  McCullough telling you to wipe down your big deal back.
• 52:45
  Your grub hub.
• 52:46
  Packages were coming in through the mail and did we leave them outside of the house, by the way.
• 52:50
  Yeah.
• 52:50
  I mean, you remember that?
• 52:52
  I'm so glad, Malcolm.
• 52:54
  And I think on our platform, we never told people to do that.
• 52:57
  No, never never did.
• 52:58
  Never did.
• 52:58
  Never did.
• 53:00
  But it was pretty widespread at the time.
• 53:02
  It was.
• 53:03
  It was on mainstream media.
• 53:05
  Everybody was so tense.
• 53:07
  We just didn't know.
• 53:08
  And the packages were all out there, everything else, pretty crazy.
• 53:11
  And but you know, let me say to Christopher here, the listener here, uh as a germophobe, I don't eat food that people have already eaten, by the way.
• 53:19
  So that's the best way not to get.
• 53:23
  You know, if you go to Europe, you know, you don't know.
• 53:25
  One time we were in a French um cafe, and uh, you know how they bring bread out on the table?
• 53:31
  Yeah, yeah.
• 53:32
  We noticed that they literally just took one basket from one couple that just left and they just brought it over to the Oh, that's bad.
• 53:40
  That is bad.
• 53:41
  That's really bad.
• 53:42
  Yeah, but you don't know.
• 53:43
  No, you know.
• 53:44
  In Europe, they're kind of open about it.
• 53:45
  So yeah, that's not nice at all.
• 53:48
  Uh so all right.
• 53:49
  This next one's from Kate.
• 53:50
  I don't know.
• 53:51
  People have no manners at all.
• 53:52
  Uh Kate, how does the natural spike protein virus act in our body versus the mRNA gene editing spike protein complex and the injected formulation?
• 54:03
  They're very different.
• 54:04
  The from the natural infection is just a tip.
• 54:07
  The outer tip of the spike protein is largely inside cells, inside uh cell lines called monocytes.
• 54:13
  With the vaccine spike protein, it's the full-length spike protein, not just the tip, and the full-length spike protein folds, three of them fold in what's called a trimer, and that circulates in the bloodstream wide open.
• 54:24
  So they're very different.
• 54:25
  You get way more spike protein and much bigger molecular-size spike protein with the vaccine.
• 54:32
  Okay, all right, perfect, perfect.
• 54:33
  All right, this uh next one is from Joe.
• 54:35
  Is there a way to distinguish between carditis caused by COVID versus carditis, possibly caused by vaccination?
• 54:42
  I'd love to be able to have an answer for those that keep conflating the two.
• 54:45
  Thanks.
• 54:47
  Well, I have seen uh myoparicarditis from the infection alone.
• 54:51
  Now I've seen a couple of cases, so I know it's real.
• 54:53
  And then I've seen hundreds and hundreds of cases of vaccine myocarditis.
• 54:58
  The differences are with the myocarditis that occurs with the infection, which by the way can happen with influenza or coxsactivirus, it's very rare, and it's just an inflammatory issue with systemic inflammation affects the heart.
• 55:12
  The virus has never been found in the human heart.
• 55:15
  So it's not a direct viral attack.
• 55:17
  The vaccine, Pfizer Moderna, has been found in the human heart, and the spike protein from the vaccine is found in the human heart, and of course it's fatal.
• 55:26
  So the best reference to find on this is by Mead and colleagues, Mead, and it was published in the journal, uh the International Journal of Cardiovascular Research and Innovation, where it summarizes the difference between myocarditis from the infection and myocarditis from the vaccine.
• 55:44
  So check out Mead MEAD.
• 55:46
  And uh his first name is uh Nathaniel, Nathaniel Mead.
• 55:50
  Okay.
• 55:51
  And you'll see that publication.
• 55:52
  It's on it's on uh focal points and it's on my Twitter feed too.
• 55:56
  Okay.
• 55:56
  All right.
• 55:56
  Last one, we'll sneak right in here from Molly.
• 55:59
  Uh thank you for everything, and please remain our voice of truth and reason as we continue fighting medical tyranny.
• 56:00
  Everything and please remain our voice of truth and reason as we continue fighting medical tyranny.
• 56:04
  I'm wondering if ivermectin can treat influenza or RSV.
• 56:04
  I'm wondering if ivermectin can treat influenza or RSV.
• 56:08
  I've heard it can stop replication of many viruses, but I've never seen the list.
• 56:08
  I've heard it can stop replication of many viruses, but I've never seen the list.
• 56:13
  I don't know, Malcolm.
• 56:13
  I don't know, Malcolm.
• 56:14
  I don't know.
• 56:14
  I don't know.
• 56:15
  I you know, ivermectin may have broad antiviral capabilities.
• 56:15
  I you know ivermectin may have broad antiviral capabilities.
• 56:19
  It may.
• 56:19
  It may.
• 56:19
  Hydroxychoracin may as well.
• 56:19
  Hydroxychoracin may as well.
• 56:22
  Um, but with uh influenza, you know, we have four FDA approved antivirals, including um ulstotemavir.
• 56:22
  Um but with uh influenza, you know, we have four FDA-approved antivirals, including um ulcetemavir.
• 56:29
  So
• 56:29
  So why not just go with one of the four with the wellness company emergency medical kits?
• 56:34
  We feature ulcetemavir in the black contagion kit.
• 56:38
  So it you know, when possible, just stay on label where the studies are.
• 56:42
  With ulstatemavir, Tamuflu.
• 56:43
  If it started on day one, it's very effective.
• 56:45
  Started on day five, it barely works.
• 56:47
  So it's all about early treatment.
• 56:49
  It always is early treatment.
• 56:51
  Early treatment.
• 56:51
  That's the key to it all, man.
• 56:53
  So listen, thanks, friends, for joining us here on the mission.
• 56:55
  We're right out of time here on QA 195.
• 56:58
  We'll see you back on the news site.
• 57:00
  And uh uh thanks for joining us at America Out Loud Pulse.
• 57:04
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