Latest / Anything But Routine / 225. Tips for Supporting Your Athlete: A Message to Parents
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- 0:00SPEAKER_00: We don't wait for the rhythm to lead.
- 0:04SPEAKER_00: We make the rhythm.
- 0:07SPEAKER_00: We call.
- 0:08SPEAKER_00: We create.
- 0:08SPEAKER_00: We lead.
- 0:15SPEAKER_01: Hi everybody.
- 0:16SPEAKER_01: So today we wanted to direct our podcast towards parents.
- 0:20SPEAKER_01: So any parents out there, and it doesn't necessarily have to be dance parents either.
- 0:24SPEAKER_01: It could be parents of any, you know, athletes growing up and kind of wanted to give some tips of how to help your child be successful and be coachable.
- 0:35SPEAKER_01: And I think successful in a lot of parents' minds is different than what I view as successful, and I think of what you view as successful.
- 0:44SPEAKER_02: For sure.
- 0:44SPEAKER_02: Let's dive into that first.
- 0:46SPEAKER_02: So um try it's just hard to talk about.
- 0:50SPEAKER_02: So the first thing I just want to share is I've had four coaching friends quit this year or get fired.
- 0:58SPEAKER_02: In the last year and a half, I've had even more five.
- 1:02SPEAKER_02: One one was a 22-year veteran coach that that got fired because of parents going above her at administration.
- 1:10SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, I know her.
- 1:12SPEAKER_02: I know she's a good coach.
- 1:13SPEAKER_02: And I know these other coaches too that just recently were fired.
- 1:18SPEAKER_02: They're good coaches.
- 1:20SPEAKER_02: And I know I was in a I was at a coach's meeting last night for our whole conference.
- 1:25SPEAKER_02: And one of the questions that came up is who wants to coach right now with all the pressures?
- 1:30SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's important to think about for parents too, is that these people are giving your kids a lot of time.
- 1:38SPEAKER_02: And you have to, they're not doing it for personal gain.
- 1:42SPEAKER_02: It's a thing.
- 1:43SPEAKER_01: Or for the money.
- 1:44SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not for the money.
- 1:45SPEAKER_02: So it's it's a job that we we just need to think about.
- 1:48SPEAKER_01: And we I think I think something that's really changed even since I was younger, I know for sure since you were younger, but parent involvement in kids' athletics is way heavier right now than it was even 10 years ago.
- 2:02SPEAKER_02: For sure.
- 2:03SPEAKER_01: And I think it's great to be involved in what your kids are doing.
- 2:06SPEAKER_01: But I also feel like as parents, we need to really go, okay, how much is too much involvement?
- 2:12SPEAKER_01: And am I actually helping my child or am I in turn hindering them from actually becoming and being capable of things?
- 2:22SPEAKER_01: Because I think sometimes parents are doing too much and putting too much pressure in being too involved that kids aren't really working for what they technically want.
- 2:30SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 2:31SPEAKER_02: And and we have this a neat thing happen at our studio this year, and I'm not sharing names, but uh we have three levels of teams at our studio.
- 2:40SPEAKER_02: And usually when it got to be the older kids, if they didn't make the A or the B and they were on the C, they would quit.
- 2:48SPEAKER_01: But we actually had to, for quite a few years, we had actually removed our oldest age group for our C level and had combined it with our sixth to 12th grade rather than ninth to 12th because we just didn't have enough ninth to 12th graders to field the class anymore.
- 3:04SPEAKER_01: And it was so sad because we had the handful of kids that wanted to keep doing it, but we just didn't have enough of them.
- 3:09SPEAKER_01: And I think it is pretty amazing.
- 3:10SPEAKER_01: Like right now, our ninth to 12th grade kit class has 17 kids in it.
- 3:15SPEAKER_02: It's so fun to teach.
- 3:16SPEAKER_02: I love it.
- 3:17SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that happened is we got a really nice letter from a parent that said, wow, thanks for creating this uh environment for my child to thrive at being in a group, having a team, getting to compete still, having fun, teamwork, but not on the A-team.
- 3:39SPEAKER_02: And I I really feel that's so important for parent parents to build their kids up where they are.
- 3:46SPEAKER_02: You're making them, you know, this kid I'm thinking of, her self-worth isn't all involved with if she's the A-team.
- 3:54SPEAKER_01: Or the best kid.
- 3:55SPEAKER_01: It's are you a nice person?
- 3:56SPEAKER_01: Are you a go-getter?
- 3:57SPEAKER_01: Are you a leader?
- 3:58SPEAKER_01: Like she's one of the greatest leaders.
- 4:00SPEAKER_01: Like that's where you know you sit and look at.
- 4:02SPEAKER_01: And I wish, I just wish more parents could parent this way.
- 4:05SPEAKER_01: Cause I was just talking to somebody else, I don't remember, like a week ago, and we were saying, Can you imagine how different kids would be if their parents actually supported them?
- 4:17SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like so many parents were really good at saying, well, I support you no matter what, but are you actually acting in a way that makes them feel that they're supported no matter what?
- 4:25SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, not every kid is gonna go on to be a professional dancer.
- 4:29SPEAKER_01: The majority of them aren't, or a professional basketball player.
- 4:32SPEAKER_01: Or varsity.
- 4:33SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 4:33SPEAKER_01: It's like it's it's okay.
- 4:35SPEAKER_01: Like, are they having fun?
- 4:37SPEAKER_01: Do they love the sport?
- 4:38SPEAKER_01: Are they getting exercise?
- 4:39SPEAKER_01: Are they staying off their phones for those two hours they're out of practice?
- 4:42SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so many positive benefits to what your kids are getting out of being in any class, whether it's the A, the B, the C, J V, varsity.
- 4:51SPEAKER_01: It it doesn't matter as long as they're enjoying it.
- 4:54SPEAKER_01: I think so many parents, I've actually had parents say to me before, well, are they going to be any good at this?
- 4:59SPEAKER_01: Because I don't want to put put the time and the money and I don't want to waste our time if they're not gonna be good at it.
- 5:04SPEAKER_01: And that just makes sense.
- 5:06SPEAKER_01: Yes, and it's so sad because I think their question should be, well, do you love it?
- 5:10SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you might not have rhythm, but do you love it?
- 5:12SPEAKER_01: Like, that's okay.
- 5:14SPEAKER_01: Like it's if they are enjoying what they're doing and spending time with friends and learning how to be accountable and to work hard and that teamwork matters and just work ethic in general matters, like that is what we should be worried about as parents.
- 5:28SPEAKER_01: And I think so much of it tends to come back to like feeling like it reflects on us if they're not the best ones.
- 5:35SPEAKER_01: And to me, like as a coach, I more like applaud the parents that support their kids.
- 5:41SPEAKER_01: And we we always say we haven't had like a bit a ton that have supported their kids all the way through, like JV through their senior year.
- 5:47SPEAKER_01: It it stops.
- 5:48SPEAKER_01: Like they quit, either quit or quit supporting their kids or quit supporting us as coaches.
- 5:53unknown: Right.
- 5:54SPEAKER_01: And I just think the kids that have made it all the way through with that parent support really have honestly the best confidence of kids.
- 6:00SPEAKER_01: I think they're very like self-aware and okay with like where they're at.
- 6:04SPEAKER_01: And they're also normally some of our hardest workers, the ones that will make it through their senior year on JV or whatever.
- 6:10SPEAKER_01: They end up being like some of our favorite kids to coach because they're happy, they work hard, and it's not about where they're at, but about what they're doing.
- 6:17SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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- 6:46SPEAKER_02: One of the questions we had here was um this this coach wrote into us about parents who think it's unfair that you hold dancers responsible for their attendance and following other rules.
- 6:58SPEAKER_02: And she she was went on to say, How can I have a strong team with standards without enforcing the rules?
- 7:04SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine if at work you still got your paycheck if you didn't show up?
- 7:08SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I think you want to teach kids to be accountable for their actions.
- 7:14SPEAKER_01: Like we always say that when they get into high school, we don't want to hear from your parents now.
- 7:18SPEAKER_01: When they're on our dance, we want to hear from you.
- 7:20SPEAKER_01: So if you have a conflict, we don't want your mom to call, we want you to come talk to us about your conflict.
- 7:25SPEAKER_01: And I think that teaches them so much more than always feeling like we have to fix it for our kids.
- 7:32SPEAKER_02: And I the next point she said is parents who think their athletes should be up front in routines, but have not earned that place.
- 7:39SPEAKER_02: That couldn't be farther from what, um, thank you.
- 7:42SPEAKER_02: Farther from what we do on our team is I I don't there's a skill we need in this part of the dance.
- 7:48SPEAKER_02: I don't care if you're in the eighth grade or the twelfth grade.
- 7:51SPEAKER_02: If you can do the skill, you'll be featured.
- 7:53SPEAKER_02: If you can't, you won't.
- 7:54SPEAKER_02: And I think uh that's just the way it is.
- 7:57SPEAKER_02: I mean, it'd be same compare it to work again.
- 7:59SPEAKER_02: What if you does got the promotions because you were the oldest employee in the company, but uh you were lazy and didn't do it do it right?
- 8:08SPEAKER_02: You know, you shouldn't be getting the it's it's based on it's merit-based pay or or place by placement, yeah.
- 8:16SPEAKER_02: So, you know, and it it it shouldn't be given by seniority on a team, or you're not gonna have a very good team.
- 8:23SPEAKER_02: I'll just say that.
- 8:24SPEAKER_02: It you know, so we're talking both sides there.
- 8:26SPEAKER_02: The other thing that I had happened um in one of our local sports, and I would call this senior itis parents, and I I call counseled a coach through this last summer with her kids or a couple summers ago, and it was where the booster club they wrote raise the money for their team.
- 8:44SPEAKER_01: I feel like we talk about this with coaches a lot.
- 8:46SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of coaches that go through this.
- 8:47SPEAKER_02: Yeah, by the time their kids are a senior, well, they want to spend the money while their kid is there.
- 8:53SPEAKER_02: That is not why you're raising that money, it's for the future of the program.
- 8:57SPEAKER_02: And it was like they had to drain that bank account before kids graduated.
- 9:04SPEAKER_02: You want to you don't want to leave them without anything.
- 9:06SPEAKER_02: Your work on the booster club should be selfless for the team, not because you work harder, your child's gonna get a better spot.
- 9:14SPEAKER_02: It's it's because you're a good person.
- 9:16SPEAKER_02: And when you teach your kids, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
- 9:22SPEAKER_02: I wanted you to talk about Winnie and Stevie about the movie Leap when you were watching with them.
- 9:26SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, I was just saying, you know, too.
- 9:29SPEAKER_01: I think it's really easy.
- 9:30SPEAKER_01: You know, we put our kids into sports or whatever they their activities are when they're young, and you're like, okay, we're gonna try to work on getting better at this, and they're trying to get better because they're trying to please you.
- 9:39SPEAKER_01: Like, I think a lot of times, you know, our kids want to please us, and so they're working really hard.
- 9:44SPEAKER_01: And like my little four-year-old has been working really hard on spotting at home, and I've been really praising her for it.
- 9:51SPEAKER_01: So she keeps doing it, you know, she keeps working on her spot and working on her spot.
- 9:55SPEAKER_01: And this morning they were watching the movie Leap, which is, you know, a cute dance movie.
- 9:59SPEAKER_01: Um, and the little girl at the end, they asked them, you know, why do you dance?
- 10:05SPEAKER_01: And the one I little girl, I think she says, Because my mom makes me.
- 10:09SPEAKER_01: I think she said something like that.
- 10:11SPEAKER_01: And I just looked at both my kids and I said, I just want you to know that like I love to dance, but that doesn't mean you have to love to dance.
- 10:17SPEAKER_01: And I think we need to make sure our kids know that.
- 10:20SPEAKER_01: And not necessarily even as coaches, but parents, like, I think sometimes like you were a basketball player, so you want your kid to be a basketball player.
- 10:27SPEAKER_01: And it's like, do they really want that or are they trying to please you?
- 10:31SPEAKER_01: And I think I think it's just a good thing for us all to reflect on.
- 10:34SPEAKER_01: And I think there's so many, just in general right now, I feel like sports are so specialized and you start getting really good at a young age.
- 10:42SPEAKER_01: And I think, yeah, there's some awesome things about that.
- 10:44SPEAKER_01: I think there's some negativity about that too right now.
- 10:47SPEAKER_01: Like, I will have parents email me and say, Can my daughter still join dance?
- 10:52SPEAKER_01: Because I know she's already getting a little bit old and it's late.
- 10:54SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Yeah, I'll ask, how old are they?
- 10:57SPEAKER_01: And they're like, they're eight.
- 10:57SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh my gosh, no, that's not too late to join dance.
- 11:00SPEAKER_01: I would take an 18-year-old joining dance.
- 11:02SPEAKER_01: Like, I think we have to encourage our kids to try things.
- 11:05SPEAKER_01: And I think sometimes they're scared because you have invested so much time and so much money that maybe as a fifth grader they might really be interested in trying soccer, but they're scared to tell you because you've put so much into their dancing and they know you love it and know they that you love to watch that.
- 11:22SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 11:22SPEAKER_01: And I just think we have to, you know, really be mindful of that.
- 11:25SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, there's multiple sides to that.
- 11:27SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it is great to tell your kids they have to stay committed.
- 11:30SPEAKER_01: So if they joined, I don't want to necessarily say they can quit in the middle of the year either.
- 11:34SPEAKER_01: Like, no, let's finish out your year, but then we can look at trying other things, but just making sure your kids know that you support them no matter what they want to do.
- 11:42SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's important for us all to keep in mind because it's a good reminder.
- 11:46SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I had another question here from a coach.
- 11:49SPEAKER_02: So she is saying JV attend all practices and pay for the same uniforms, warm-ups, etc.
- 11:55SPEAKER_02: They do not score high enough, they did not score high enough to make the varsity.
- 12:00SPEAKER_02: So they are written into drill routines for about half the performance.
- 12:04SPEAKER_02: Football, home games, not away games.
- 12:07SPEAKER_02: Mom thinks the way she words this, you can tell she's a little angry.
- 12:11SPEAKER_02: Mom thinks her mediocre in-training position dancer is fabulous based on uh time, money, uh, and should perform at all performances.
- 12:22SPEAKER_02: Well, she said mom signed off on the JV details.
- 12:25SPEAKER_02: We had multiple meetings with coaches, uh, uh, directors, and principal, and the mom has the same problem with her son in football.
- 12:33SPEAKER_02: Big surprise.
- 12:34SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of what we're talking about is kind of take a look in the mirror and see if you're doing that to these coaches because it gets really hard.
- 12:43SPEAKER_02: Um, this next coach said, a mom got my phone number to text about the dance position in a formation and mentioned said dancer's grade level, and said that a younger kid was given tricks over their older daughter, but she said uh one fact is that that kid can't do the trick.
- 13:03SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 13:03SPEAKER_02: You know, and you know what?
- 13:04SPEAKER_01: There on the flip side, sometimes there is things where I'm like, oh, I know you can do that trick, but it doesn't make sense where you are in the formation.
- 13:10SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't necessarily mean it's like a personal thing against them and that they're not allowed to do the trick, it just might be choreographically doesn't make sense.
- 13:17SPEAKER_01: Or sometimes it's a height lane where they ended up or right, like it might not make sense, and it doesn't mean that they're not good at it.
- 13:24SPEAKER_01: I know that happened even with like my second and third graders.
- 13:26SPEAKER_01: I have like a formation where a triangle of the formation does a front walkover, and there's like two kids near them that can do front walkovers, but it didn't it ruined the symmetry of the formation, so I just didn't have them do it.
- 13:37SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I know you can do a front walkover, but it just doesn't work here.
- 13:40SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think communicating as a coach is important too.
- 13:43SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean I don't like you or that you're not, you know, great at that move.
- 13:48SPEAKER_02: You know, so parents just don't assume the worst about coaches always that they have it.
- 13:53SPEAKER_02: Not saying that every coach is great.
- 13:54SPEAKER_02: We know there are some coaches that aren't great coaches and in those cases, then I think people should step in, probably, maybe not, you know.
- 14:01SPEAKER_01: But and I do think, you know, there's times where like I do always want the door to be open for parents to come and talk to us.
- 14:08SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I do too, and communicate.
- 14:09SPEAKER_01: And there have been times where I'm like, okay, I didn't see it from that perspective.
- 14:13SPEAKER_01: Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
- 14:15SPEAKER_02: Like, and sometimes it's just more that we need to communicate.
- 14:18SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like they maybe aren't understanding, and once we explain it, it makes more sense.
- 14:22SPEAKER_01: But to them, yeah, her big uh quote she always tells me is lack of communication is filled with negativity.
- 14:28SPEAKER_01: And I think it really couldn't be more true because that is what happens, and I like we all do it.
- 14:33SPEAKER_01: Like when you don't know what's going on, you start speculating, and speculating is never great.
- 14:38SPEAKER_02: Another quote I say all the time is when I'm making decisions as a head coach for our team, I'm trying to think of all the kids, not just your kid.
- 14:48SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, what is it gonna do if I lower our standard on our team to allow your child to do this or that?
- 14:56SPEAKER_02: But I just I think just in closing on this subject, bloom where you're planning, you know.
- 15:02SPEAKER_01: And I think all parents, we just all need to reflect like, are we actually supporting our children the way that we say we are?
- 15:09SPEAKER_01: Because I think we're always like, oh, yeah, I support you no matter what you want to do, and I support you even if you're not great at it.
- 15:14SPEAKER_01: But but really are you acting on that?
- 15:17SPEAKER_01: Because that's where I think I just I see it time and time again of parents that I think believe that they're supportive, but they really are doing things that are in turn like hurting their kids.
- 15:28SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
- 15:29SPEAKER_02: Did you want to talk about those seven things?
- 15:31SPEAKER_01: Or oh yeah, we just had our post about this because we've been talking about parents so much lately that we had posted our seven ways parents can support their dancers.
- 15:40SPEAKER_01: And our number one was don't coach from the sidelines.
- 15:43SPEAKER_01: The ride home shouldn't feel like a post-performance press conference.
- 15:46SPEAKER_01: And I think I think that's huge.
- 15:48SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of times kids I think they dread going to see their parents after they don't do well more than anything, or going to tell their friends after they don't do well.
- 15:58SPEAKER_01: And so I think when our kids kids, like their coaches are already correcting them.
- 16:02SPEAKER_01: So when they get in the car, they might just need you to listen or not talk.
- 16:05SPEAKER_01: So I think you know, the best thing a parent can do when they get in the car after a rough game or a rough performance is just say, How are you feeling?
- 16:12SPEAKER_01: Do you want to talk about it?
- 16:13SPEAKER_01: And then if they don't, great.
- 16:15SPEAKER_01: Like they might not want to, or they might want to, and you just need to leave it to them instead of being like, Oh, you really had a bad performance today, or yeah, it wasn't your best, or I thought you did great.
- 16:22SPEAKER_01: Cause I think sometimes when you when the kids feel like and when the kids feel like they didn't do well, and mom is like, I thought you were beautiful out there.
- 16:31SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that makes them more mad.
- 16:32SPEAKER_01: Like, just don't say anything.
- 16:34SPEAKER_01: They might not need anything to be said, just be what they need.
- 16:38SPEAKER_01: And so it might be silence.
- 16:41SPEAKER_01: Okay, number two, care less about their ranking and care more about the human.
- 16:45SPEAKER_01: So stop worrying about being the best, making the A-class, getting in the front row, winning every time.
- 16:49SPEAKER_01: Start caring about kindness, work ethic, being a great teammate, integrity.
- 16:53SPEAKER_01: Trophies fade, but character loss.
- 16:56SPEAKER_02: Nothing needs to be said.
- 16:57SPEAKER_02: We already talked.
- 16:58SPEAKER_01: Ask better questions instead of what were the judges looking at?
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: How did they beat you?
- 17:02SPEAKER_01: Try, how do you feel about how you did?
- 17:04SPEAKER_01: What are you proud of?
- 17:05SPEAKER_01: What did you learn?
- 17:06SPEAKER_01: Blame protects their ego and ownership builds their character.
- 17:11SPEAKER_01: Number four, stop worrying if they will be on top.
- 17:14SPEAKER_01: If your first concern is whether they'll reach the highest level, you're missing the entire point.
- 17:20SPEAKER_01: Dance or whatever sport is not just about getting to the top class.
- 17:23SPEAKER_01: It's about learning discipline, resilience, teamwork, and confidence.
- 17:27SPEAKER_01: If they're learning those things, they are not wasting their time.
- 17:31SPEAKER_01: Number five, let them struggle.
- 17:33SPEAKER_01: Let them not get the part, let them fall out of a turn, let them lose.
- 17:37SPEAKER_01: Resilience is built in moments that don't go their way.
- 17:40SPEAKER_01: You don't build strong kids by cushioning every disappointment.
- 17:43SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really right now what's happening with a lot of people.
- 17:47SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
- 17:48SPEAKER_02: You want to make their life perfect, but that doesn't prepare them for the real world.
- 17:52SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 17:53SPEAKER_01: And that's what I think a lot of employees are seeing right now.
- 17:55SPEAKER_01: I feel like I keep seeing that on like TikToks and different things is kids that aren't built to actually be in a real job because they think everything should just kind of be handed to them and that they don't actually have to work for it.
- 18:08SPEAKER_02: I actually had uh we fired an employee and I actually had a mom call and I was like, Are you kidding me?
- 18:15SPEAKER_02: Oh she's an adult, by the way.
- 18:17SPEAKER_02: And and it was like, No, I'm not calling you back because she should be right in her own battles right now.
- 18:24SPEAKER_01: Yep.
- 18:25SPEAKER_01: Number six, don't tie their self-worth to results.
- 18:29SPEAKER_01: When parents yeah, don't tie their self-worth to results.
- 18:33SPEAKER_01: When parents obsess over their kids being the best, kids start believing their value value comes from winning.
- 18:40SPEAKER_01: Their self-worth should come from effort, growth, character, heart, kindness.
- 18:44SPEAKER_01: When winning defines them, losing will break them.
- 18:49SPEAKER_01: And the last one is the class they're in is not your parenting report card.
- 18:53SPEAKER_01: I love this one.
- 18:55SPEAKER_01: The way they handle loss is the way they treat others.
- 18:58SPEAKER_01: Wait, sorry, I read that wrong.
- 19:00SPEAKER_01: The class they're in is not your parenting report card.
- 19:04SPEAKER_01: The way they handle loss and the way they treat others is and I think that's you've kind of said that one a lot, but a lot of times it's I think it's just yeah, that parenting nerves of it reflecting on them.
- 19:16SPEAKER_02: Yep, for sure.
- 19:18SPEAKER_02: Well, I hope this helped you today.
- 19:20SPEAKER_02: Go take it on.
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