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'KILLER MOTHER-IN-LAW' SUSPECT TRIES TO WALK FREE BECAUSE OF EARWAX · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called killer mother
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Speaker 1: in law suspect to walk out of jail because of
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Speaker 1: wait for it, earwax, Yes, earwax. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: A Florida grandmother arrested for plotting to death of her
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Speaker 2: former son in law, now begging a judge to let
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Speaker 2: her out of jail as she waits for her trial
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Speaker 2: to start.
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Speaker 1: A loving father and esteemed law professor is gunned down.
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Speaker 3: At his own home in his own vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Why now you see the manner below me that the
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Speaker 1: alleged mastermind of the murder plot, his own mother in law,
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Speaker 1: wants out of jail for many, many reasons, most notably
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Speaker 1: because she has earwax.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't even make that up.
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Speaker 1: But let's have a little reality check about what this
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Speaker 1: case is all about. Not the mother in law's symptoms he's.
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Speaker 3: Dreamed up behind bars. This is what it's about.
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Speaker 4: I one want to see address of your emergency.
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, tell me.
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Speaker 4: Exactly what happened.
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Speaker 5: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up
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Speaker 5: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I
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Speaker 5: went back to my house, but he never backed out,
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Speaker 5: and I came back over and his wind his driver's
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Speaker 5: side window is shattered. He's moving his head around, but
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Speaker 5: he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's going on?
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Speaker 5: And I call his name, asking what's happening. He's not
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Speaker 5: responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Is he conscious?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 5: I can't tell.
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Speaker 4: Okay, is he breathing?
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Speaker 5: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's
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Speaker 5: moving his head around.
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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 4: Okay, he said he's sitting in the car right correct,
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Speaker 4: the driver's seat.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Wherever Dad is in the driver's seat in.
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Speaker 5: The driver's seat, is in the garage or in the garage?
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Speaker 1: Okay, in the car in his own garage, the windows
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Speaker 1: shattered to his vehicle. A young dad, a loving, that
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Speaker 1: adoting dad, and by all accounts, a brilliant lawyer. Could
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Speaker 1: have been in a think tank. That's smart dead. Why
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Speaker 1: this as the monster in law? The mother in law
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Speaker 1: claims she needs to be out of jail, walk free
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Speaker 1: because of ear wax, you know, straight out to Robert
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Speaker 1: Crispin joined me from this location. Investigator at Crispin Special Investigations,
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Speaker 1: former federal task force in this jurisdiction with the DEA
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Speaker 1: and the Miami Field Division. Former homicide detective Robert thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. First of all, where are you.
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Speaker 9: So, actually, Nancy? I am literally right behind where miss
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Speaker 9: Allison's condo is. It's actually those two aqua green glass buildings.
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Speaker 9: They sit forty stories above the ground and they overlook
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Speaker 9: keep a skain. They overlooked to my left all the
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Speaker 9: cruise ships, and they have great views of the beach
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Speaker 9: and pretty much a one eighty span of everything around.
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Speaker 9: It's a beautiful condominium building. And back in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 9: she paid a million seven for this place. Today it's
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Speaker 9: about two million bucks. It's a beautiful place in quite
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Speaker 9: the place that I certainly wouldn't think that she would
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Speaker 9: trade for an eight foot in jail cell. What was
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Speaker 9: she thinking, well.
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, although I appreciate everything that you just said,
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Speaker 1: we just heard you know about her living in the
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Speaker 1: lap of luxury and that Turquois high rise behind you
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Speaker 1: now valued over two million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Of course she wants out of jail.
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Speaker 1: It's yet to be proven by the way that she
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Speaker 1: is in fact the murder mastermind. We're waiting on that.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm coming to you for, Crispin is this
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Speaker 1: is your jurisdiction. You were homicide investigator before you went
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Speaker 1: with Dea. He was alive and conscious, moving his head,
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened to him. He was
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Speaker 1: ambushed when nine one one was called. Professor Dan Markle
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Speaker 1: was still alive.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, he was in his last final moments, and he
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Speaker 9: was displaying. He was displaying actions of a person who's dying.
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Speaker 9: There probably got snored respiration, which I'm sure if we
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Speaker 9: interviewed that guy who made that call he heard the
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Speaker 9: snoring respirations. He's not talking, he's mumbling. He has no
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Speaker 9: idea what happened, and he's bleeding out and he's going
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Speaker 9: into death as his blood seeps out of his body.
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Speaker 9: He can't tell anybody anything, and he gives the detectives
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Speaker 9: like the job.
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Speaker 1: Well, Robert Crispin, you're talking about Are you talking about
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Speaker 1: a death rasp? Is that what you're talking about? The
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Speaker 1: death rattle, the death snore?
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Speaker 9: You know, I think anybody who's seen somebody shot or
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Speaker 9: dying in front of them that's one of the signs exhibited.
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Speaker 9: They call it the death rattle or the death snore, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, speaking of too, doctor Eric Aeson joining me in
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Speaker 1: addition to Robert Crispin on the scene. Doctor Esan, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us, board certified forensic pathologist.
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Speaker 3: What is that the death rattle? What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I are familiar with it, But
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Speaker 1: for those of lucky people that haven't heard it before,
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Speaker 1: explain what was happening as Professor Markle died, a father
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Speaker 1: of two very young little boys.
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Speaker 10: It's just agonble respirations is what we call it when
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Speaker 10: someone has sustained an injury and they're going through the
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Speaker 10: dying process and just reflect activity will keep you breathing.
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Speaker 10: Part of the problem, or part of the issue with
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Speaker 10: this case here is that he was shot in the heads.
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Speaker 10: There's probably a big chance that there was a fracture
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Speaker 10: of the base of the skull which would led to
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Speaker 10: a blood entering into the oral cavity and being aspirated.
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Speaker 10: So it's probably a combination of the agon will reflect
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Speaker 10: perspirations combined with asperating his own blood is probably what
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Speaker 10: was going on here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is so much to take in too.
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Speaker 1: We need a shrink to doctor Judy Hoe joining me,
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Speaker 1: clinical and forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules
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Speaker 1: of Attachment and stop self Sabotage at doctor Judyhoe dot com.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time at getting my arms around
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Speaker 1: what we're hearing because the mother in law, who is
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Speaker 1: yet to be proven to be part of the murder
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Speaker 1: of Professor marcel I had such a great mother in
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Speaker 1: law and father in law.
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Speaker 3: Believe it or not, we never had.
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Speaker 1: A single crossword ever, and now the mother in law
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Speaker 1: is accused of murderer and she is coming up with
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Speaker 1: one Kakammi excuse after the next to get bond like
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Speaker 1: Dinny for Pete's sake. She claims she has an earwax problem.
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Speaker 1: She claims she can't sleep, she claims she doesn't get
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Speaker 1: enough exercise. So, but I think it's really gonna be
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Speaker 1: hard if this thing goes to trial for a jury
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Speaker 1: to understand.
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Speaker 3: That a mother in law would do this.
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Speaker 1: To her own grandchildren, even if she doesn't like the
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Speaker 1: son in law.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy exactly, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I get that she's presumed innocent until she's
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Speaker 8: proven guilty, But with all of these excuses, she's really
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Speaker 8: playing the sympathy card hard, and I think the jury's
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Speaker 8: going to have a really hard time because it's like, Hello,
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Speaker 8: your son in law is dead and you are being
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Speaker 8: accused of being the mastermind behind his murder. You seem
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Speaker 8: really obsessed with all these things, from really tiny small
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Speaker 8: complaints to the bigger ones. What about the fact that
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Speaker 8: you might want to be lamenting the death of your
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Speaker 8: son in law and the loss of a father figure
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Speaker 8: for your grandchildren.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now as a special guest, Dave Arenberg
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Speaker 1: a very dear friend, Professor Dan Markel, Palm Beach County
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Speaker 1: State Attorney. Dave, thank you for being with us. Do
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Speaker 1: you recall when you learned Dan not only had passed away,
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Speaker 1: but was murdered.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it could be with you, Nancy. When I first
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Speaker 11: heard about Dan's murder, I was shell shocked because here's
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Speaker 11: a guy who didn't have any known enemies. He was
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Speaker 11: someone who cared deeply about his family, as you directly said,
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Speaker 11: and he made an impact on his students. He could
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Speaker 11: have made a lot more money in the private sector,
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Speaker 11: but he cared deeply about educating future generations. And who
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Speaker 11: would want to kill someone like that. I had no answers,
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Speaker 11: and it really is still a shock that you have
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Speaker 11: someone without any previous criminal records, Donna Adelson, who obviously
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Speaker 11: thought she was above the law allegedly, but she is
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Speaker 11: someone who there's a growing evidence that she was the mastermind.
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Speaker 11: And it's unbelievable how you have someone who previously has
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Speaker 11: not had a lipho crime to think that they could
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Speaker 11: get away with first degree murder. But on the other hand,
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Speaker 11: that is the type of person who would try to
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Speaker 11: say earwax means she needs to get out of jail
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Speaker 11: pending trial, when no one accused the first degree murder
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Speaker 11: has ever been allowed out of jail pre trial because
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Speaker 11: of earwax. I don't think it's ever happened in the history.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what you're saying, Dave,
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Speaker 1: and I want to circle back to you regarding how
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Speaker 1: you learned that your longtime friend Dan had been murdered.
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Speaker 3: But to you, Robert.
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Speaker 1: Crispin, you and I have dealt was so many homicides
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Speaker 1: and so many unlikely chillers that I mean, just the
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Speaker 1: complaint of the mother in law that she should get
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Speaker 1: bond and walk free because of earwax, because she can't hear,
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Speaker 1: because people are too loud behind Mars, because she's not
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Speaker 1: getting a good night's sleep. Elane Maxwell said the same
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Speaker 1: thing that didn't work because she's not Oh yes, that
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Speaker 1: she's not getting enough exercise. I mean that just shows
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Speaker 1: what a pampered and privileged life she has led.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she's not thinking anything about Dan.
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Speaker 9: How many times have we seen in these homicide cases,
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Speaker 9: and Dave Eiberg, he'll tell you these domestic related homicide investigations,
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Speaker 9: they always filter back. They go to the top of
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Speaker 9: the food chain, the grandmother. The grandmother's funding the litigation
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Speaker 9: because the person can't afford it. That's all right, I'll
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Speaker 9: fund it. I don't like him, I love those kids.
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Speaker 9: I'm gonna get you your kids. These things are not uncommon.
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Speaker 9: Murder is uncommon, and the way this one down is
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Speaker 9: really uncommon.
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Speaker 3: But it's not uncommon for.
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Speaker 9: Someone like Dona Allison to get involved, funded and try
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Speaker 9: to do any vindictive way to get those kids through
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Speaker 9: her daughter and get them down to South Florida in Miami.
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Speaker 9: I mean, come on, would.
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Speaker 1: You know Dave Arenberg joining us out of West Palm
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Speaker 1: Beach former Palm Beach County State attorney, our private attorney, Dave,
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Speaker 1: tell me how you discovered Dan had been murdered.
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Speaker 11: A good friend of mine called me who was also
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Speaker 11: close with Danny and told me this had happened, and
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Speaker 11: it was just you never expect to get that phone
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Speaker 11: call that a friend of yours had been murdered, especially
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Speaker 11: one like Danny who did not engage in any high
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Speaker 11: risk behavior. You know, he wasn't a drug user, he
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Speaker 11: didn't do things that put him in bad situations. He
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Speaker 11: was a loving dad, and ironically, that's the behavior that
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Speaker 11: led to this tragedy, is that he loved his kids
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Speaker 11: so much that he wasn't about to let them go
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Speaker 11: down to South Florida without a fight. But he believed
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Speaker 11: in the system. He believed that you could go to
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Speaker 11: this court and the person who wins in the courts wins,
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Speaker 11: as opposed to taking matters in your own hands. So
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Speaker 11: it was shocking. Nancy, I still can't believe it that
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Speaker 11: this actually happened to someone I know, and no one
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Speaker 11: deserves his faith, but especially not someone who gave his
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Speaker 11: life dollars like Danny did.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Too Joel Waldman joining me now, co host of Surviving
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Speaker 1: the Survivor, author of Surviving a Survivor. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just very curious, Joel. You have been investigating this ever
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Speaker 1: since it first happened.
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Speaker 3: Now we heard.
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin talking about potential motive for murder. Now explain
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Speaker 1: to me, Joel, the goings on leading up to Dan's
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Speaker 1: murder regarding custody of the two little boys.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's really at the crux of all this.
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Speaker 6: And thank you for having me, Nancy. Great to be here.
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Speaker 6: The marriage, like many marriages, began to go south, and
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Speaker 6: Wendy Adelson, Wendy with an I and Dan, the marriage.
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Speaker 3: Was beginning to crumble.
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Speaker 6: They get a divorce, and then at the center are
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Speaker 6: these two beautiful kids, Benjamin and Lincoln and Mamma Donna,
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Speaker 6: Mama Donna Adelson. She jumps in, according to all reports
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Speaker 6: and according to all accounts, at Wendy's behest and basically
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Speaker 6: starts tearing apart Dan Markel, saying, look, you can't stay
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Speaker 6: up in Tallahassee. I want my kids down here in Miami.
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Speaker 6: I happen to live myself in Miami Beach, and I
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Speaker 6: know that condo, and it is absolutely stunning to think
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Speaker 6: of the contrast now with her being in the Leon
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Speaker 6: County jail.
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Speaker 2: Donna Adelson, arrested trying to board a flight to Vietnam,
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Speaker 2: tells a judge she was just looking for a little
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Speaker 2: peace before turning herself in on murder charges.
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Speaker 1: And will the court by her excuse? Why is law
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Speaker 1: Professor Dan Markel dead? Why was he murdered? What if
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Speaker 1: anything does his mother in law, a multimillionaire, have to
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Speaker 1: do with it? As you heard, shared custody, joint custody
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Speaker 1: was ordered.
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Speaker 3: By the court, but that wouldn't do for the mother
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Speaker 3: in law. Listen.
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Speaker 12: After the court prevents Wendy Aedelson from moving to South
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Speaker 12: Florida with the children, court records indicate that Wendy Aedelson's mother, Donna,
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Speaker 12: suggests the family offer Markel one million dollars to allow
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Speaker 12: the children to relocate to South Florida. Donna and her husband,
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Speaker 12: Harvey will contribute a third, Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will
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Speaker 12: contribute a third. Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson
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Speaker 12: also suggests, telling Marquet that Wendy Aedelson is going to
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Speaker 12: have the boys converted to Catholicism. Knowing Markell and his
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Speaker 12: family are strict in the Jewish faith, Donna Adelson believes
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Speaker 12: the mere thought of his children being baptized and raised
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Speaker 12: Catholic would convince him to let the boys move to Miami.
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Speaker 12: Wendy Aedelson read Jacks her mother's ideas, making Donna Aedelson
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Speaker 12: very mad straight.
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Speaker 1: Back out to longtime friend, Professor Markel's Dave Ehrenberg. Dave, Now,
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Speaker 1: normally I would not suspect a family member of orchestrating
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Speaker 1: a murder, basically hiring a hit man. But now that
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Speaker 1: I hear a bribe was to be offered to your
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Speaker 1: friend in order to relinquish his visitation with the children.
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Speaker 1: Did you know about the bribe mother in law came
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Speaker 1: up with.
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Speaker 7: I did not, But there is still a big step
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Speaker 7: between offering a bribe a settlement amount and trying to
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Speaker 7: kill Dan Markel. And I think the difference is that
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Speaker 7: the Maestro got involved, and that was Donna's son Charlie,
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Speaker 7: who thought he could wave a magic wand and make
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Speaker 7: all wend these problems disappear. And you don't have to
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Speaker 7: trust me on the fact that he's the maestro. He
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Speaker 7: called himself that that was his license plate on his Lamborghini.
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Speaker 7: So it's just who he is.
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Speaker 11: And his mother went along and now she's paying the price.
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Speaker 1: To Tim Jansen is joining me, veteran criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor, legal analyst for the Tallahassee Democrats and newspaper.
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Speaker 3: Tim, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: A million dollar bribe to make Dan Markel give up custody.
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Speaker 3: That's evil.
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Speaker 13: She couldn't get the grandkids to come down there, so
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Speaker 13: they offer him money, thinking that he would give money
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Speaker 13: up for his children, Thinking he's a shallow he would
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Speaker 13: take money. Well, when that didn't work, planned be went
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Speaker 13: into effect and she left the Maestro Charlie to hire
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Speaker 13: these people to commit these crimes. This is what the
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Speaker 13: allegations are, and that these people who couldn't even do
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Speaker 13: it right the first time, shot the car the first time.
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Speaker 13: Then they came back up here and committed this crime.
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Speaker 13: And then we have the bump, and we have this
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Speaker 13: secret coded calls between the grandmother and Charlie. Everything is
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Speaker 13: giving you a clear picture of what was happening. Grandma
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Speaker 13: wanted the kids and Wendy. She didn't care what she
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Speaker 13: was going to do to.
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Speaker 1: Get it well yet Jim Jansen, the daughter Markel's wife
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Speaker 1: now ex wife, has not been charged, but she was
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Speaker 1: up go ahead, you know.
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Speaker 13: She hasn't been charged yet. And the problem you had
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Speaker 13: is a couple of the recordings they had the title
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Speaker 13: three Wires. There's some exculpatory statements made by Charlie and
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Speaker 13: Donna that this involves two two of us, only us,
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Speaker 13: or she doesn't realize how lucky she is what we
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Speaker 13: did for her. And then they gave her immunity, which
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Speaker 13: you've got to get around that she's testified for the state.
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Speaker 11: Trust me.
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Speaker 13: If Georgia and Jack Campbell, the state attorney, thought they
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Speaker 13: had enough evidence to charge Wendy, they would have. I
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Speaker 13: just believe the old.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait, Robert Crispin joining me.
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Speaker 1: They're on the scene, private investigator, former fed Crispin.
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Speaker 3: So let me understand this. The mother in.
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Speaker 1: Law and her son, the maestro. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: a dentist. They go to great pains on the phone
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Speaker 1: to say, she knows nothing about this, she's not part
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Speaker 1: of this.
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Speaker 3: What I've never heard anything like that.
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Speaker 1: Why would you go out of your way to say? Now,
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Speaker 1: remember I know you and I are in this, but
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Speaker 1: nobody else is part of this, right Mom?
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Speaker 9: Of course, I mean you have to start covering the
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Speaker 9: other family members. Who's going to take care of the
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Speaker 9: kids if everybody goes to prison. So she's going to
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Speaker 9: cover for her daughter, and they're going to throw these
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Speaker 9: little kidbits out thinking they're throwing law enforcement out out.
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Speaker 9: She said, nobody else is involved, so let's not follow anybody. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 9: I don't think so. I'm glad she said that because
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Speaker 9: as an investigator, I'm looking at every single thing that
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Speaker 9: she's saying, and I'm like, oh, so she is potentially involved.
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Speaker 9: Let's look into this. So those statements that she've made
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Speaker 9: during that call, they're priceless for an investigator. Dave Erison
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Speaker 9: will tell you that those are great statements.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking through everything.
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Speaker 1: And I mentioned that the mother in law thinks she
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Speaker 1: should got out of jail because she's got earwax, But
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Speaker 1: she also wants to get out of jail because she
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Speaker 1: says the jail food is making her gain weight. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she says the diet behind bars is just all carves,
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Speaker 1: like spaghetti and mashed potatoes, corn bread.
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Speaker 3: That's your dinner. Those are her words. Not mine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so she's gaining weight as she has earwax airG
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Speaker 1: she deserves bond. No way, Granny, not when you listen
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Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 4: So you're saying his head.
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Speaker 5: Is bloody, Now, yes, I'm bloody. I mean it's the
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Speaker 5: window shattered. I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what the situation is.
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Speaker 3: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.
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Speaker 5: He's still moving around, so he's alive.
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Speaker 4: Okay, looks like I should have an officer coming up
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Speaker 4: the roadway.
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Speaker 5: Okay, well we need the mt.
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Speaker 4: The officer's going to be there first. They're not going
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Speaker 4: to come until we figure out what's going on, but
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Speaker 4: they're on the way as well.
20:46
Speaker 5: Okay, you'd better be if this guy's got a shot living.
20:51
Speaker 2: A shocking recorded jail call between a Florid and grandmother
20:54
Speaker 2: and her convicted killer son could be thrown out.
20:58
Speaker 3: Will the judge suppress the to call?
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Speaker 14: I would say there's certainly good information indications that you
21:05
Speaker 14: know as since there's no known relationship between mister Rivera
21:10
Speaker 14: or mister Garcia and Professor Markelo that obviously they was
21:14
Speaker 14: not a random act that they came up here.
21:17
Speaker 1: For him and straight out to Joel Walman joining me
21:19
Speaker 1: co host an incredible podcast called Surviving the Survivor Joel,
21:24
Speaker 1: Where are the two little boys now? Who has them?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
21:27
Speaker 6: Well this is very interesting. So according to all reports,
21:31
Speaker 6: Wendy Adelson has now moved from South Florida, who's living
21:36
Speaker 6: right near her mother in that really nice area of
21:39
Speaker 6: South Beach, but has now reportedly moved to Austin, Texas.
21:43
Speaker 6: She has a new boyfriend.
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Speaker 3: All we know about him.
21:45
Speaker 6: His first name is George j O r Ge and
21:49
Speaker 6: he is living with them apparently in Austin. But what's interesting,
21:53
Speaker 6: of course, at which I think you'll get into, is
21:56
Speaker 6: that Donna Adelson, who we've been talking about. The reason
21:59
Speaker 6: she is now behind bars is that she had purchased
22:02
Speaker 6: a one way ticket to Vietnam via Dubai and was
22:05
Speaker 6: arrested at the airport. So many people, and I've had
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Speaker 6: Tim on my show many times, as well as Dave Ahrenberg,
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Speaker 6: they believe that the FEDS at least at the very
22:15
Speaker 6: least have eyes on Wendy. But some are wondering is
22:18
Speaker 6: she kind of inching further south to maybe make a
22:21
Speaker 6: run for it. Herself, her time could be coming up
22:25
Speaker 6: or you.
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Speaker 3: Know, it's questionable.
22:28
Speaker 6: But Georgia Kapelman, who is the prosecutor in this case,
22:31
Speaker 6: her father played football at FSU. He's very competitive as
22:35
Speaker 6: she is, and there's a personal animus I think from
22:39
Speaker 6: her toward Wendy, and I think that they personally are
22:41
Speaker 6: going to go after Wendy. They've been going in order here,
22:45
Speaker 6: one by one by one. Donna is up next and
22:48
Speaker 6: then maybe Wendy, but she is in Austin, Texas by
22:51
Speaker 6: all accounts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to get to the mother in law
22:55
Speaker 1: trying to flee to Vietnam, which by the way, does
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Speaker 1: not have an extradition treaty with the US, and the
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Speaker 1: mother in law confesses that she knew that that she
23:05
Speaker 1: studied it before she planned to go to Vietnam to
23:08
Speaker 1: get peace. Okay, speaking of the reasons, it's Diddy all
23:13
Speaker 1: over again. I'm referring to Shawn Combe's aka Diddy aka
23:17
Speaker 1: Puff Puffy Puff Daddy Love. It goes on and on,
23:22
Speaker 1: who insists that he should be out from behind bars
23:25
Speaker 1: awaiting the trial, just like Edelson. Just recently Shawn Combs
23:32
Speaker 1: claiming he had a knee problem really from what Now,
23:39
Speaker 1: listen to this complaint from the mother in law.
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Speaker 15: I've gained more than a third of my body weight.
23:46
Speaker 15: Here the diatos, little carbs, snow protein, and you know
23:52
Speaker 15: when you get you get spaghetti with mashed potatoes, cornbread,
23:56
Speaker 15: and whitebread. That's your dinner, in law. It's very typical
23:59
Speaker 15: of what we get. And we've had no exercise at all.
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Speaker 3: O Crispin, help me.
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Speaker 1: Of all the people on our panel, and they're all
24:11
Speaker 1: experts in their own right, and she is complaining about spaghetti.
24:16
Speaker 1: Nobody's fixing me spaghetti tonight. If I want dinner, I'm
24:20
Speaker 1: cooking it myself. Wait, let me understand this. She doesn't
24:24
Speaker 1: want spaghetti, she doesn't want mashed potatoes, she doesn't want
24:27
Speaker 1: corn bread.
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Speaker 9: What well, so I'll put in nicely where she lives
24:34
Speaker 9: as the most amazing restaurants in the country. As a
24:37
Speaker 9: matter of fact, some of the restaurants here in Miami
24:40
Speaker 9: are the best in the world. So her dining that
24:42
Speaker 9: way is out the carbs, the spaghetti, the mashed potatoes. Hey,
24:47
Speaker 9: that's jail. Sorry, suck it up. You're gaining weight. Guess
24:51
Speaker 9: what weight keeps you warm? Jails are ice cold.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll pass that along.
24:56
Speaker 1: It's not just complaining about her gaining weight so much more,
25:00
Speaker 1: but the irony.
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Speaker 3: Joel Walalman, the irony.
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Speaker 1: Her son in law, Dan, well known in the legal community,
25:12
Speaker 1: brilliant right, brilliant legal scholar, was murdered, was still moving
25:20
Speaker 1: around trying to communicate in the front seat of his
25:23
Speaker 1: car in his own garage. A hit man has been
25:26
Speaker 1: hired and has turned over and is testifying a hit man.
25:33
Speaker 1: All of this, and she's whining about the spaghetti. The
25:36
Speaker 1: boys will never know their father, my father, the closest
25:41
Speaker 1: person in the world to me, my father. They'll never
25:46
Speaker 1: know their father, Joel, and she's whining about the marin era.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this was really tough to watch. This was a
25:53
Speaker 6: hearing that went on for about four hours, and there's
25:56
Speaker 6: a laundry list. You mentioned that earwax. She was complaining
25:59
Speaker 6: that her ear nows are smaller than a typical human,
26:01
Speaker 6: so she needs them washed out. But to your point,
26:05
Speaker 6: I mean, Dan is no longer with us. Some of
26:08
Speaker 6: her other complaints include that the mattress is too thin,
26:11
Speaker 6: and like you just heard that she put on a
26:13
Speaker 6: third of her body weight behind bars, and that poor
26:16
Speaker 6: old Donna has to go to the commissary now to
26:19
Speaker 6: buy cans of tuna so she gets enough protein. I mean,
26:23
Speaker 6: talk about a person that is not aware of, you know,
26:28
Speaker 6: the story surrounding her. I mean she just has either
26:32
Speaker 6: her head in the sand or is just so self
26:35
Speaker 6: centered that it's of epic proportions. I think most people
26:39
Speaker 6: who watch this were just incredulous at some of these
26:43
Speaker 6: comments that she was making. But the bottom line is
26:47
Speaker 6: she doesn't like jail. She wants to get out. Maybe
26:50
Speaker 6: she should have thought about this before she allegedly set
26:54
Speaker 6: up this murder for higher.
26:55
Speaker 1: Plot crime stories. With Nancy Grace, doctor Judi, how are
27:07
Speaker 1: you joining me? Clinical forensic neuropsychologists and author, what does
27:12
Speaker 1: narcissism mean?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think we're possibly seeing some displays of that
27:17
Speaker 8: right here Nancy. I don't think she has too much
27:21
Speaker 8: self awareness and narcissism traits would include thinking that your
27:27
Speaker 8: problems are more important than other peoples, having very low
27:31
Speaker 8: insight into how your behaviors affect others, seeing people as
27:36
Speaker 8: essentially ponds to further your own agenda, and most of all, narcissism.
27:43
Speaker 8: When attacked directly or indirectly, that person.
27:46
Speaker 3: Will lash out.
27:47
Speaker 8: If you try to call them out on any of
27:49
Speaker 8: their behaviors that are unseemly, they will react in extremely
27:53
Speaker 8: negative way, and it might become a vendetta for them
27:57
Speaker 8: to start to shoot you down and to make you
27:59
Speaker 8: feel horrible about yourself.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy.
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Speaker 1: Narcissism is named after the mythical creature person personality Narcissus,
28:11
Speaker 1: who was so in love with himself he spent days
28:15
Speaker 1: and days staring at his own reflection in a pool
28:18
Speaker 1: of water until he fell in and died.
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Speaker 3: That's who Narcissus is.
28:23
Speaker 1: It's all about her, and that bears out here, Crispin,
28:27
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, Robert Crispin Pi in this jurisdiction
28:30
Speaker 1: former fed joining us there on the scene at a
28:33
Speaker 1: beautiful view of those high rises behind you. It's amazing
28:37
Speaker 1: to me that she, instead of trying to work out
28:41
Speaker 1: a solution, or have her daughter, for peaces, work out
28:43
Speaker 1: a solution. I believe the daughter's a lawyer, work out
28:46
Speaker 1: a solution to custody. It was a better idea to
28:50
Speaker 1: just murder the dad. And you know these children will
28:54
Speaker 1: never have a recollection of the father, but wait for it, Crispin.
28:59
Speaker 1: Not only is she whining about the spaghetti.
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Speaker 15: Listen, So I have I have a hearing issue. Okay,
29:07
Speaker 15: I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,
29:12
Speaker 15: and so doing get the wax builds up in my
29:19
Speaker 15: ears to the point that I mean, I have officers
29:25
Speaker 15: that say to me, are you deaf atels? And when
29:28
Speaker 15: I don't respond to them, it's because I don't.
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Speaker 1: Hear them very narrow ear canals.
29:36
Speaker 3: Crispin, she wills bond. Not just a murder, not just
29:42
Speaker 3: I get mad in the bar and pull a gun
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Speaker 3: boom boom over.
29:46
Speaker 1: A very well thought out murder for hire, which is
29:51
Speaker 1: an aggravating circumstance under which death penalty can be sought.
29:55
Speaker 1: Murder for hire. It's not just premeditated, it's murder for higher.
30:00
Speaker 1: And she is whining about her ear wax.
30:04
Speaker 9: Yeah, she's definitely brasping at straws, isn't she. But that's
30:08
Speaker 9: not going to happen in this particular case, not with
30:10
Speaker 9: these alleged set of circumstances. And Nancy right over my
30:14
Speaker 9: shoulder were her two million dollar condo. Is if I
30:17
Speaker 9: go on the roof and I look, I could probably
30:18
Speaker 9: throw a rock and hit the runways of the Miami
30:21
Speaker 9: International Airport. So by the time she'd got here, if
30:24
Speaker 9: she did got that ankle bracelet off, that's already wheels
30:29
Speaker 9: up and she's gone. And we all know, sadly enough,
30:32
Speaker 9: how easy it is to get fake passports, fake ID
30:35
Speaker 9: and fleet. She's not getting out, and she's making herself
30:39
Speaker 9: look worse by not addressing what really happened.
30:43
Speaker 12: The Florida State University criminal law professor was pulling into
30:46
Speaker 12: his driveway and talking on his cell phone when he
30:49
Speaker 12: was fatally shot. News reports say the killer was waiting
30:52
Speaker 12: for Markel outside his home in Tallahassee's Ben Hills section,
30:55
Speaker 12: then followed Markel into the garage. When he opened it,
30:58
Speaker 12: Markelle was shot in this side of the head through
31:01
Speaker 12: the window of his car. The bullet entered just beneath
31:03
Speaker 12: Markel's jawline. Police also released a photo of a cart
31:07
Speaker 12: they are calling a vehicle of interest. It's a silver
31:10
Speaker 12: Prius like car seen in the area.
31:12
Speaker 1: It's Sean Combs. Did he and the real estate bros?
31:16
Speaker 1: Charged with sex trafficking all over again? Millionaires who are
31:20
Speaker 1: so arrogant they think they should be out on bond.
31:24
Speaker 1: Forget about the crimes in this case an alleged murder
31:28
Speaker 1: for hire. That's right, the millionaire monster in law accused
31:33
Speaker 1: of masterminding the murder of her son in law.
31:36
Speaker 3: When custody became an issue, claims.
31:39
Speaker 1: Earwax, bad spaghetti, and lack of exercise are reasons enough
31:45
Speaker 1: for her to get bond. Wait a minute, didn't she
31:51
Speaker 1: try to flee to Vietnam?
31:54
Speaker 3: Listen?
31:54
Speaker 15: So my listens actually has said, you know, we've been
31:58
Speaker 15: city Inna before with friends with on on vacation and
32:04
Speaker 15: it really was like a place of peace. And so
32:09
Speaker 15: he said, if we go an noun extradition country, then
32:13
Speaker 15: if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest
32:18
Speaker 15: you or me, whatever both he said, then he said,
32:22
Speaker 15: we won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months
32:25
Speaker 15: to go back. We could buy a ticket and we
32:28
Speaker 15: can go home. And my understanding was that I could
32:32
Speaker 15: go home and I could turn myself in if that's
32:34
Speaker 15: what they wanted.
32:35
Speaker 3: What is she talking about, Joel Waldmin.
32:40
Speaker 6: It's a great question, and I have no idea. I
32:42
Speaker 6: wish I could answer that one for you, But again
32:45
Speaker 6: she buys us. And by the way, for the life
32:48
Speaker 6: of me, I mean, these are people with a lot
32:50
Speaker 6: of financial means. They're taking off one week to the
32:53
Speaker 6: day after their son is convicted on these first degree
32:57
Speaker 6: murder and conspiracy charges, and they buy a one way ticket.
33:04
Speaker 6: I mean, the jurors are going to hear this and
33:06
Speaker 6: it is just consciousness of guilt, ringing and a dinging.
33:10
Speaker 6: I mean, she should have at least bought a two
33:13
Speaker 6: way ticket, but there is absolutely no way a jury
33:16
Speaker 6: is going to buy that she went to a non
33:18
Speaker 6: extradition country just for the fact that would make it
33:21
Speaker 6: easier for herself to turn herself into officials back here Stateside.
33:26
Speaker 1: If she's yes technical legal term, you know, let's get
33:31
Speaker 1: real doctor Errett Eson with me, board certified forensic pathologists,
33:35
Speaker 1: Doctor Ason. We know that Dan, the father of these
33:38
Speaker 1: two little boys, dearly loved his children. He would not
33:43
Speaker 1: even for a million dollars give them up custody or
33:46
Speaker 1: let them move. He was very much fifty to fifty
33:50
Speaker 1: a part of their lives. Okay, we know he was
33:53
Speaker 1: alive when the neighbors came over. He was moving around
33:57
Speaker 1: trying to communicate. What would he be what would he
34:02
Speaker 1: have known off, what would he be aware at the
34:06
Speaker 1: time of his death?
34:07
Speaker 10: I mean he would have likely been aware that he
34:10
Speaker 10: sustained some type of trauma. Apparently it was two men
34:13
Speaker 10: who came up and fired two shots into his car,
34:18
Speaker 10: and then he would have sustained the injuries. And you know,
34:22
Speaker 10: he lived for a couple of hours. But from what
34:25
Speaker 10: I was seeing in the articles, I just don't think
34:27
Speaker 10: that he was very conscious at the time. I think
34:29
Speaker 10: he was just like barely alive, just kind of barely
34:31
Speaker 10: hanging on. So he may not have been.
34:33
Speaker 1: Hanging on and trying to say something to the neighbor
34:37
Speaker 1: moving around. And after all that, the mother in law
34:42
Speaker 1: goes to court and starts crying about her own release.
34:46
Speaker 1: Over the pasta and the earwax, I mean that is
34:50
Speaker 1: a nerve. And the trip to Vietnam to seek peace.
34:55
Speaker 16: Listen, when you were looking at places to go those
34:59
Speaker 16: couple of days after Charlie Edelson's trial, you were specifically looking, though,
35:04
Speaker 16: for countries that did not have extradition.
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Speaker 15: With the US for the reason I just told you.
35:10
Speaker 16: Right, and the reason that you're saying that you were
35:13
Speaker 16: looking for countries with no extradition was so that you
35:16
Speaker 16: could get back faster in order to be arrested in
35:21
Speaker 16: the US.
35:22
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, granny ah Ah, Listen.
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Speaker 15: It's because I don't know, maybe we watched too much
35:28
Speaker 15: TV or too many movies, But I've seen movies where
35:33
Speaker 15: people are stuck in like third world prisons and waiting
35:37
Speaker 15: and waiting and waiting, and my feeling was, this is
35:43
Speaker 15: not what we want to happen. If the state says
35:47
Speaker 15: they want us to come back, buy a ticket, we'll
35:50
Speaker 15: come back on our own terms. We don't have to
35:52
Speaker 15: be sitting in a jail somewhere. We'll come back home
35:55
Speaker 15: and turn ourselves.
35:56
Speaker 3: In to Robert Risbin. Have you ever heard anything like it?
36:03
Speaker 1: And when you're watching somebody lie, she's like blinking her
36:06
Speaker 1: eyes and looking around and pausing, trying to explain why
36:10
Speaker 1: she had a one way ticket to Vietnam.
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Speaker 9: She's trying to make it believable to the prosecutor. That's
36:14
Speaker 9: just not happening. It's just not happening.
36:17
Speaker 2: A tearful Donna Adelson begs a judge for bond, alleging
36:21
Speaker 2: inmate assaults and extortion.
36:24
Speaker 3: During her time so far behind bars.
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Speaker 17: If we were asking for something lenient, I could see
36:30
Speaker 17: the state's opposition.
36:31
Speaker 16: But we're not.
36:32
Speaker 17: We're asking for you to hold her outside of the
36:34
Speaker 17: jail in the most stringent conditions she could possibly be monitored,
36:39
Speaker 17: just to allow her to be with her attorneys, get
36:41
Speaker 17: her doctor's appointments, and get ready for the trial that
36:43
Speaker 17: her entire life.
36:44
Speaker 1: Depends upon in her high rise luxury condo worth two
36:48
Speaker 1: million dollars.
36:49
Speaker 3: This is Diddy all over again.
36:52
Speaker 1: Remember he wants out of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center on
36:57
Speaker 1: a slew of federal sex trafficking charges and wanted to
37:02
Speaker 1: be bumped up in his old digs luxury digs with
37:07
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor, promising I won't contact any women. Okay,
37:13
Speaker 1: that was denied. So let me understand this. The defense
37:18
Speaker 1: attorney is asking for basically house arrest.
37:22
Speaker 3: We're waiting to.
37:22
Speaker 1: See where that ultimately lands as a Scots trial. But
37:25
Speaker 1: to jobel Waldman joining us surviving the survivor, what is
37:30
Speaker 1: the strongest evidence against the mother in law.
37:34
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a bunch you know, she's caught on
37:36
Speaker 6: the so called bump tape. That is a FBI undercover
37:41
Speaker 6: who meets her in front of that building, and basically
37:44
Speaker 6: after that call, the bump is executed perfectly. She contacts
37:49
Speaker 6: Charlie and this is what Tim Jentsman was talking about
37:51
Speaker 6: earlier and she refers to them being onto the two
37:55
Speaker 6: of us, so that implies that she is part of this.
38:00
Speaker 6: Now back to Vietnam for a moment. There are What's
38:02
Speaker 6: App messages and by the way, when she was arrested
38:05
Speaker 6: at the airport with her husband, they also see some
38:07
Speaker 6: cell phones and iPad, so we don't know exactly what's
38:10
Speaker 6: on there, but some What's App messages have been revealed
38:13
Speaker 6: to a company called Sun China Indo Travel, and she
38:19
Speaker 6: was essentially asking this travel agency. She was saying, Hey,
38:23
Speaker 6: I need to get to Vietnam as fast as possible.
38:26
Speaker 6: This is right after the conviction of her son. She
38:28
Speaker 6: says in a series of messages that get more and
38:31
Speaker 6: more frantic. I need a visa. I need an expedited visa.
38:34
Speaker 6: How do I get an expedited visa? Get me this visa?
38:37
Speaker 6: These things are not going to look well for her
38:39
Speaker 6: joining me.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. What is the
38:43
Speaker 1: strongest evidence against the mother in law?
38:45
Speaker 18: Actually, it's a phone call that was made when Charlie
38:48
Speaker 18: Aedelson was convicted of the crime of murder. He was
38:52
Speaker 18: on the phone talking to his mother and that's where
38:54
Speaker 18: she is going off the deepen, suggesting a couple of
38:57
Speaker 18: different things she needs to do. One of those suicide,
39:00
Speaker 18: the other leave the country and get the place where
39:04
Speaker 18: she cannot be extradited. That's the big piece of evidence,
39:07
Speaker 18: Thank god, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So wait a minute, doctor Judy Hoe for instant
39:10
Speaker 1: Neu're a psychologist. When your grandchildren are down a dad,
39:15
Speaker 1: the dad's murdered, why would you commit suicide instead of
39:19
Speaker 1: rushing to their aid and helping them exactly?
39:22
Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense.
39:24
Speaker 8: And this is just another example of just coming up
39:27
Speaker 8: with ideas that clearly don't have any factual basis, no
39:31
Speaker 8: experiential basis. Is not what a normal person would be
39:35
Speaker 8: expected to do in a crisis like this, and it's
39:38
Speaker 8: just all.
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Speaker 3: Part of the ploy to say, hey, look, we're we
39:41
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with this. This has nothing to
39:43
Speaker 3: do with us. Okay.
39:44
Speaker 1: To Joel Walman, co host Surviving a Survivor, what is
39:47
Speaker 1: the strongest evidence against the mother in law?
39:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean collectively, I would say what your previous
39:52
Speaker 6: guests just said. These jailhouse calls after Charlie's conviction, which
39:56
Speaker 6: was November sixth of twenty twenty three, Arlie and Donna
40:00
Speaker 6: speak for something like four or five hours a day
40:04
Speaker 6: for the next seven days until she is ultimately ultimately arrested,
40:08
Speaker 6: and they're talking about what happened. A lot of that
40:13
Speaker 6: is incriminating. They're talking about their kind of their disgust
40:16
Speaker 6: at Wendy for not kind of giving and showing more
40:20
Speaker 6: support during the trial. But then, as I mentioned previously,
40:24
Speaker 6: there is something very well known within this case called
40:27
Speaker 6: the bump where an FBI undercover basically approaches Donna Adelson
40:32
Speaker 6: pretending to be these hitmen that she hired or at
40:35
Speaker 6: least friends of these hitmen, and she just takes it,
40:39
Speaker 6: you know, hooked line and sinker, and then is immediately
40:42
Speaker 6: on the phone with Charlie basically saying at that point,
40:47
Speaker 6: you know, they're on to the two of us essentially.
40:50
Speaker 6: And then after her arrest, they have whatsapped messages and
40:54
Speaker 6: Donna is what's happening a place called Indo Sun China Travel,
40:58
Speaker 6: Indo Sun China Travel, and she is asking for preparations
41:03
Speaker 6: to go to Vietnam. She wants a visa. Then she
41:07
Speaker 6: messages again and says she wants an expedited visa and
41:10
Speaker 6: how does she even expedite it beyond that, so the
41:13
Speaker 6: urgency and this is all happening in the week after
41:16
Speaker 6: Charlie's convicted until she is ultimately arrested. And then of
41:20
Speaker 6: course it's that one way ticket to Vietnam. You weren't
41:23
Speaker 6: planning to come back. But now she's making the case
41:26
Speaker 6: that she picked that non extradition country so she could
41:29
Speaker 6: turn herself in. I'd like to see a jury of
41:32
Speaker 6: her peers by that we.
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Speaker 1: Wait as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American
41:38
Speaker 1: hero Trooper Tomorrow Buccie, Massachusetts State Police, passed away in
41:43
Speaker 1: the line of duty, survived by mother Meryl, stepfather Jim,
41:48
Speaker 1: father Anthony. American hero Trooper Tomorrow Buccie. Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,