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Hour 2: Luigi Mangione's admirers. · The Mark Simone Show

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Speaker 1: Now on sevent ten woong no Mark Simon show in
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Speaker 1: for Mark today. Here's Jim Kerr.
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Speaker 2: And Mark is enjoying his vacation and I'm enjoying the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to spend time with you. Mark Simone's listeners his
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Speaker 2: family of radio friends on seven to ten woar you know.
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Speaker 2: and three two one zero seven ten and we have
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Speaker 2: on the telephone with us right now. Doctor Catherine Ramslin,
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Speaker 2: who is a world renowned expert on what it is
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Speaker 2: that makes murderers tick. She's the author of I believe
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Speaker 2: sixty eight books, doctor, would that be wright? Sixty eight books?
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Speaker 2: Seventy four seventy four books, Okay, I'm not completely up
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Speaker 2: to date. Then seventy four books. She writes about crime
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Speaker 2: and forensic science. Assistant Provost and Professor Emerita of Forensic
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Speaker 2: Psychology and Criminal Justice at the Sales University. You have
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Speaker 2: not only studied people who kill people for fun and enjoyment,
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason it is that they choose to do
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Speaker 2: such a horrible thing, but you've actually had an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to get to know some of them. And I know
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Speaker 2: that you've written about it quite often, and you're often
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Speaker 2: interviewed on television when this subject comes up. And here
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Speaker 2: in New York City, of course, Luigi Mangioni is accused
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Speaker 2: of killing the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and there
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Speaker 2: are let me put it this way, this is the
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Speaker 2: only way I can say it. There are very attractive, young,
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Speaker 2: well educated women who go to that courtroom who seem
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Speaker 2: to be in love with him. Why does that happen?
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Speaker 2: And how often does it happen?
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Speaker 3: Well, it happens for a variety of reason, depending on
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Speaker 3: the person we're talking about, but quite often they have
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Speaker 3: framed him according to what they want to see him
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Speaker 3: to be, relacking in information about why he would have
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Speaker 3: done this, or really that much about his background, so
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Speaker 3: they can easily fill in what they need him to
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Speaker 3: be for their own fantasies. And so they see him
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Speaker 3: as sort of an activist, an underdog against the big
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Speaker 3: goliath of corporate greed, and this kind of sexy hero
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Speaker 3: in a way, and that just makes them more excited
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Speaker 3: about him. He's handsome, he's educated, he's dignified, he's defiant.
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Speaker 3: That's a very attractive combination.
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Speaker 2: But he's also allegedly a murderer, Yes, a killer, a person.
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Speaker 3: Who they see righteous violence.
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Speaker 2: There's right.
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Speaker 3: Some of them have talked about, Yeah, some of them
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Speaker 3: have talked about he's justified and that we need to
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Speaker 3: serve this conversation about the healthcare companies and how they've
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Speaker 3: victimized us, and so they see him as more like
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Speaker 3: a kind of a Robin Hood, except he's not really
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Speaker 3: giving anything back.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it isn't it possible for we as a
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Speaker 2: society to have conversations about the healthcare crisis in the country,
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Speaker 2: which obviously does exist. There are a lot of people
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Speaker 2: who face great frustrations just in their day to day
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Speaker 2: life trying to negotiate our healthcare system. It certainly needs
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Speaker 2: a bit of an overhaul. Can't we have conversations like
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Speaker 2: that without murdering a man in cold blood on the
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Speaker 2: street in Manhattan early in the morning, shot in the back,
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Speaker 2: on his way to a meeting, And these women said,
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Speaker 2: I'm saying blank, Brian Thompson, I don't give a blank.
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Speaker 2: He died. That's one of them said. His children are
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Speaker 2: better off without him. They need to learn to not
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Speaker 2: be like their dad. I mean, that's just despicable.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's easy to elevate Luigi when you vilify his victim.
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Speaker 3: So it isn't that they know anything about Brian Thompson.
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Speaker 3: He's a symbol to them, and he's a symbol of
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Speaker 3: bad things. And yes, we can have a conversation, but
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Speaker 3: we're not having the conversation. So something like this shakes
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Speaker 3: people up and realizes, you know, there's a lot at stake.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what goes into the sense of
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Speaker 3: these women feeling justified in taking his side and supporting him.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not just taking his side, doctor, They lust
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Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 3: They left for him, Yes, because he's a good looking
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Speaker 3: young man who in their minds they might want to
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Speaker 3: be his girlfriend, or they might want to take care
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Speaker 3: of him, or they might just want to share in
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Speaker 3: his notoriety, depending on who they are. But yes, he
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Speaker 3: has become a fantasy meme in some of these places.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take a Luigi Mangioni out of the
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Speaker 2: picture right now. There have been other like death cults
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Speaker 2: that have surrounded the lives of vicious murderer, serial killers
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Speaker 2: that are not necessarily seen by some segment of the
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Speaker 2: population as as you know, being Robin Hood like and
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Speaker 2: we're talking about just horrible, vicious killers that have young
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Speaker 2: women as fans.
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Speaker 3: Well, sometimes it's what we call a pair ophelia or
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Speaker 3: a sexual deviance of young women even men too, who
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Speaker 3: get excited by violence. But that's a that's a pretty
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Speaker 3: rare condition. What they're doing is projecting onto typically good
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Speaker 3: looking people who are outlaws, who are defying social moraism
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Speaker 3: and laws and whatnot. And and they see similar to
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Speaker 3: the the you know, Jesse James and al Capone and
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Speaker 3: some of the some of these people, they're larger than life,
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Speaker 3: and there are people who just want to be part
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Speaker 3: of that. They want to be with Luigi, they want
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Speaker 3: to be Bonnie to his Clyde. They want to be
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Speaker 3: part of that whole thing because it's exciting and it
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Speaker 3: defies things that they feel need to need to be divied.
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Speaker 2: Okay, now this this killer fandom does does the do
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Speaker 2: do ugly killers get cults and fans too? Or they're
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Speaker 2: just out of.
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Speaker 3: Law there they're famous?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so fame, So fame can because I was just thinking,
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Speaker 2: is it just because these killers are handsome? In some cases,
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there have been some.
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Speaker 3: Some is notoriety and some of these what we call groupies,
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Speaker 3: only go for serial killers. Some will go for anyone,
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Speaker 3: like let's say, Scott Peterson, who has had a certain
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Speaker 3: amount of fame and they want to be attached to that.
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Speaker 3: Some will go for a guy that makes them feel
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Speaker 3: like they can be caretakers, so they think about the
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Speaker 3: little boy. And also women, by the way, there are
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Speaker 3: female offenders who draw male fans too. It's not nearly
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Speaker 3: as much as we see with young women going for
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Speaker 3: these male offenders, but it's a wide variety of people.
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Speaker 2: And you've been studying this well, practically your whole life,
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Speaker 2: since you began your academic career going to college as
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Speaker 2: a young woman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, about three decades.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you travel all over the place speaking to
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Speaker 2: two groups, attending seminars and symposiums, and and what is
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Speaker 2: the name of your latest book.
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Speaker 3: The Serial Killers Apprentice, which is about an accomplice, the
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Speaker 3: only accomplice to have killed the adult predator to end
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Speaker 3: the spree.
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Speaker 2: The serial You mean there's never been a are all?
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Speaker 2: I guess the question is, are all serial killers people
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Speaker 2: who work alone? There's there's never It's.
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Speaker 3: Hard to generalize to all serious they're not. But about
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Speaker 3: twenty percent work with somebody else, and sometimes more than one.
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Speaker 3: Like this particular serial killer, Dean Coral had two adolescent accomplices.
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Speaker 3: We've seen four and five, but majority tend to work alone.
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Speaker 2: They were adolescent accomplices.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's there's quite a few of Mostly they
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Speaker 3: these predators are get adolescents or vulnerable, needy young women
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Speaker 3: because it's easier to control them.
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Speaker 4: So the.
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Speaker 2: People who assist the serial killers they were young women.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of young women either they've been
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Speaker 3: married to them or involved with them romantically, and now
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Speaker 3: they're afraid to lose them, so they'll do whatever the
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Speaker 3: guy says. They're called compliant accomplishes. They don't really want
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Speaker 3: to do this, but they're going to so they don't
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Speaker 3: lose the guy.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that is really scary. So that's The serial Killer's Apprentice.
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Speaker 2: That's your latest book, and that's available just through the
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Speaker 2: normal channels for buying books.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay.
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Speaker 3: It actually became an HBO documentary as well.
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Speaker 2: Oh it did, that's right, I forgot. You also are
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Speaker 2: a consultant to a lot of television shows. Yep, can
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Speaker 2: you name a few?
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Speaker 3: Well, that one the Serial Kills Apprentice. I did a
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Speaker 3: four part documentary on a book I wrote with the
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Speaker 3: BDK killer Dennis Rader, and so that's called Conversations with
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Speaker 3: serial Killer. I came out with my own show, Murder
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Speaker 3: House Flip, which was a great experience. Had a couple
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Speaker 3: of steasons for that. I've consultant and CSI Bones and
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Speaker 3: the Alienist.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well it's an impressive body of work.
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Speaker 2: Seventy four books and a professor and what a doctor?
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Speaker 2: You have a doctorate? And is it three or four
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Speaker 2: master's degrees? Four? Four master's degrees? Okay, Doctor Catherine Ramsland,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for spending time with us here
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Speaker 2: on Mark Simone show at WOR. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Okay.
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Speaker 2: Pretty fascinating, huh. I mean the way that she mentions
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Speaker 2: that she has a book, The serial Killer's Apprentice, which
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Speaker 2: is about people who help serial killers, male serial killers,
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Speaker 2: and it turns out that they're young women who wouldn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily make a conscious choice to enter into that kind
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Speaker 2: of life, but after getting involved with those people, they
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Speaker 2: become helpful, even though they become aware that what that
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Speaker 2: person is doing is terribly evil and horribly violent. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just it's a part of life, and quite frankly,
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Speaker 2: I have a very difficult time wrapping my head around,
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Speaker 2: as I imagine you do as well. So anyway, I
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Speaker 2: want to thank doctor Catherine Ramslin again for taking the
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Speaker 2: time to spend with us here on Radio seven to
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Speaker 1: Wore now more of the Mark Simone Show on sevent
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Speaker 2: Just before I say goodbye to the topic of these
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Speaker 2: women who are so in love with Luigi Mangioni and
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Speaker 2: sit in the courtroom sighing at the sight of him.
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Speaker 2: Before we move on from that, somebody mentioned to me, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's innocent until proven guilty. And I understand
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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence. But the presumption of innocence is
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Speaker 2: a legal construct, and that has to do with the
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Speaker 2: manner in which the courts operate. And surely in a
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Speaker 2: court of law where the government the prosecution must prove
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Speaker 2: that a defendant has committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 2: there is, in fact the presumption of innocence. That doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean that all of us have to believe that the
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Speaker 2: man is innocent. I am not going to be a juror.
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Speaker 2: I already had my jury duty a couple of months ago.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a juror in this case.
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Speaker 2: I don't have to believe in a presumption of innocence.
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Speaker 2: I don't have to. I can look at what I
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Speaker 2: see and make up my own mind whether I'm right
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Speaker 2: or whether I'm wrong. Because somebody said, well, how can
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Speaker 2: you be condemning those women who are big fans of
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Speaker 2: Luigi MANGIONI if he's presumed innocent you don't even know
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Speaker 2: whether he did it or not. Well, the way that
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Speaker 2: I view it, those fans they believe he did it too,
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Speaker 2: and they love him anyway. And of course we all
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Speaker 2: hope that he, in any criminal defendant, gets a fair trial.
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Speaker 2: But come on, oh, I can love him anyway because
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Speaker 2: he's presumed innocent. That's just ridiculous. It's the Mark Simone
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Speaker 2: two one zero, seven to ten, and we've got Mike
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Speaker 2: on the phone from rose Elle Park. How you doing, Mike?
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Speaker 6: Good morning, Okay, I grew up listening to you.
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Speaker 2: Plank you that makes me feel anyway, I hope you
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Speaker 2: still do.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 6: You know the topic you were discussing before about women
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Speaker 6: boy in love with murders. So back in like seventy seven,
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Speaker 6: seventy eight, this guy brutally murdered his girlfriend at the
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Speaker 6: high school graduation in Cranford, New Jersey.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, it's a beautiful town. By the way, It's
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Speaker 2: hard to even equate Cranford, New Jersey with terrible violence
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Speaker 2: like that.
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Speaker 6: So anyway, Uh, it's a starving topic. But I want
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Speaker 6: to watch a Yankee game at the Riverside End in Cranford.
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to mention the.
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Speaker 2: Names of people, right, please don't.
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Speaker 6: This guy just killed his girlfriend, right and totally, and
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Speaker 6: he stepped into the bar like nothing ever happened watching
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Speaker 6: the Yankee game, and his brother convinced him to turn
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Speaker 6: himself in. But he went away for twenty years and
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Speaker 6: writing him love letters while he's in prison, and she
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Speaker 6: married the guy who murdered somebody after he got out
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Speaker 6: of prison.
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Speaker 2: You know, there are things, Mike, that most of us
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Speaker 2: just cannot understand, and that is certainly one of them.
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Speaker 2: So Mike, thank you for calling. Vincent is on the
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Speaker 2: line from Brooklyn. Hello, Vincent, Welcome to w o r's
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Speaker 2: Mark Morning.
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Speaker 5: Jim. I believe we're living in accipathy for the devil
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Speaker 5: world and I'm sure you're familiar with the song and
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Speaker 5: your next guest, Scott Shannon is and I say, if
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Speaker 5: you listen to the lyrics of that song, it talks
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Speaker 5: about how making things topsy turvy. Now look at this
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Speaker 5: from a deviant's mind, or people who are looking to
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Speaker 5: get the votes of deviants and of lawbreakers. Look at
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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party that now they put on a platform
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Speaker 5: they elevate the people who come into this country illegally,
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Speaker 5: and they fight against ice and the authorities who are
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Speaker 5: looking to get these people out of the country. There's
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Speaker 5: a line in sympathy for the devil, and Mick Jagger says,
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Speaker 5: and all you sinners are saints. The only way you
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Speaker 5: could get people who at one time will consider either
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Speaker 5: the dregs or society anti social who did bell who
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Speaker 5: didn't live their life as they should in a correct manner.
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Speaker 5: You have to put down the people who are living
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Speaker 5: their life in a good way, who are contributing to society,
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Speaker 5: who are making something of themselves, and then you could
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Speaker 5: elevate the other people, the people who are living abnormally,
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Speaker 5: let's say, or in an anti social way, like this guy,
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Speaker 5: Luigi Mangioni. And that's how society, starting fifty sixty years ago,
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Speaker 5: they created the environment to have these three crazy women
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Speaker 5: go in the courtroom and practically drool over this alleged
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Speaker 5: I'm going to say alleged, but I saw the video
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Speaker 5: of him putting a cap in the back of Brian
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Speaker 5: Thompson's back to make that's how they make these women
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Speaker 5: drool over these maniacs, these communities teaches we have in
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Speaker 5: the university.
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Speaker 8: Okay, you know, yeah, yeah, you're taking the tentacles, you know,
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Speaker 8: all over the place, and and and uh, you know, Vincent,
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Speaker 8: I do appreciate your you're mentioning the Rolling Stone song,
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Speaker 8: and thank you for calling.
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Speaker 2: By the way, However, a careful listen of Sympathy for
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Speaker 2: the Devil would show that it has a great deal
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Speaker 2: of lyrical nuance and it doesn't really promote those things
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Speaker 2: that are actually presented as happening in society in the song.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's another conversation for another time. And the
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Speaker 2: Rolling Stones have a new album coming out, and uh
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Speaker 2: and I just can't believe how how amazingly energetic they
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Speaker 2: are as they continue to make their way through life.
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Speaker 2: I know this is a big you know, uh, a
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Speaker 2: big turn away from what we were just talking about
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Speaker 2: a moment ago. But since Vincent mentioned the Rolling Stones,
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Speaker 2: I saw the Rolling Stones a few weeks ago at
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Speaker 2: an event in Brooklyn, and they're ageless. They're absolutely ageless.
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Speaker 2: Mick Jagger goes out on the stage and performs for
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Speaker 2: two and a half hours. He never stops moving. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just absolutely incredible. A couple of things that I
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Speaker 2: wanted to mention this morning on Mark Simon's show here
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Speaker 2: Council wants more bags and more signs and more fines
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Speaker 2: anybody can pick it up that not cleaning after your
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Speaker 2: dogs is just you know, not a good thing. It's
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Speaker 2: people who have a difficult time negotiating the traffic nightmare
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Speaker 2: just wanted to share that with you this morning here
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Speaker 2: on War and we have Joshua on the line right now. Hello, Joshua, Hi.
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Speaker 9: I would i have something to say about these psychologists
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Speaker 9: trying to explain to us the behavior of the young
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Speaker 9: women loving murderers. Oh well, I can explain it in
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Speaker 9: just one word, stupidity.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for that. Patrick, and Danny
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Speaker 2: is on the line. Hi, Danny, how are you today?
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Speaker 7: Jim? You are awesome. I don't know if the audience knows.
23:55
Speaker 7: You used to take your audience to met games and
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Speaker 7: whatever the vendor would come by, by the whole tray,
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Speaker 7: by the whole tray you are. You are the man, Tim, Well,
24:04
Speaker 7: thank you.
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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun and we really I
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Speaker 2: really enjoyed doing that. I remember one day we had
24:08
Speaker 2: a double header baseball bus where we took a whole
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Speaker 2: group of listeners to a day game at Shay and
24:16
Speaker 2: then a night game at Yankee Stadium. And we had
24:19
Speaker 2: different hats and jerseys so that we could change in
24:21
Speaker 2: the bus as we were going from one team to another.
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Speaker 2: Those were fun times. So what's on your mind today, Danny?
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Speaker 7: What it's not in my mind is all right? You
24:31
Speaker 7: had the Boston marathon terrorist, the one brother who turned
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Speaker 7: his other brother into a speed bump, the guy that's
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Speaker 7: in jail, the terrorists, that lived. He's he gets letters
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Speaker 7: all the time from from women, marriage proposals and everything.
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Speaker 7: Sometimes you wondered half the letters are coming from communist
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Speaker 7: China or something, you know, just to make us like
24:53
Speaker 7: a bunch of you know, a bunch of I don't
24:55
Speaker 7: want to say, but you.
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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, but guess what. But guess what, Danny, they're not.
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Speaker 2: They're not coming from China. They're coming from our own
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Speaker 2: homegrown people.
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Speaker 7: Yes, the women are sending these guys that are in
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Speaker 7: love with them. It just goes to show. Yeah, listen,
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Speaker 7: there are cycle paths amongst us. Any woman that wants
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Speaker 7: to data guy or go out a guy who's a murderers,
25:16
Speaker 7: she ain't dealing with no full deck. There's no way
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Speaker 7: she's dealing with a full deck, you know. And you
25:21
Speaker 7: don't see guys writing love letters to women in prison.
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Speaker 7: We ever hear anything like that women murderer and guys
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Speaker 7: writing let us to of course not. But the thing is,
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Speaker 7: it's something in our society. There's a lot of people
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Speaker 7: out there who, let's face it, the more people you
25:36
Speaker 7: have in the country, and we have three hundred and
25:38
Speaker 7: fifty million there, the more lunatics you're gonna have running around.
25:42
Speaker 7: That's just it's just a numbers game. And unfortunately we've
25:45
Speaker 7: absorbed a lot from foreign countries on the Joe Biden
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Speaker 7: and even before him, a lot of crazy people have
25:51
Speaker 7: come in. And it's funny, like in California, right, there's
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Speaker 7: a woman who's she was a mayor. She's a spy for.
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Speaker 2: Right, a suburban in suburban Los Angeles. Yeah, that's that happens.
26:06
Speaker 2: That happened. We have, you know, here in New York.
26:08
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of spies here in New York
26:10
Speaker 2: because we've got, you know, so many different diplomatic missions
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Speaker 2: and stuff here.
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Speaker 1: Bill Mark Simone Show continues on sevent ten. Woong in
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Speaker 1: for Mark today is Jim ker.
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Speaker 2: Well. The Stephen Colbear Late Show ends. It's run tonight.
26:31
Speaker 2: It's rumored that Paul McCartney and Billy Joel will be there.
26:36
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's been confirmed or not. It
26:38
Speaker 2: wasn't confirmed when I came to work this morning, but
26:40
Speaker 2: I came to work at four thirty this morning, so
26:42
Speaker 2: who knows what might have happened between then and now.
26:46
Speaker 2: But we have with us someone who knows a whole
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Speaker 2: lot about music, and that is Scott Shannon, legendary morning
26:54
Speaker 2: personality of New York's Zeal one hundred, WPLJ and WCBS FM.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Scott.
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Speaker 4: And good morning to you, and what an excellent job
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Speaker 4: you are doing today. I was rather just amazed how
27:11
Speaker 4: easily it is for you, how easy it is for
27:13
Speaker 4: you to move from one chair rock and road chair
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Speaker 4: right into talk radio.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Scott. But you know, like you, I
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Speaker 2: just love the radio. The radio has always been my, yeah,
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Speaker 2: my friend and my companion since I was a little kid.
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Speaker 2: I listened to it then and loved it. I listened
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Speaker 2: to it now and love it. And and you, of course,
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Speaker 2: with your legendary career, you were not only involved in radio,
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Speaker 2: but you were also involved in the actual music industry
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Speaker 2: for a while. And yeah, can you come up with radio?
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Speaker 4: Radio is my first love. It's been that way since
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Speaker 4: I was a kid. And that's all I wanted to do.
27:54
Speaker 4: I didn't want to be a GM I don't want
27:59
Speaker 4: to do Bob Pittman's job. I just wanted to be
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Speaker 4: a you know, a job. I wanted to be on
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Speaker 4: the radio. And and I love music, It's part of
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Speaker 4: my blood. But it's just you got to be on
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Speaker 4: the radio to play it so right.
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Speaker 2: And I was just wondering how you felt about the
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Speaker 2: fact that the New York Times published their list of
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Speaker 2: the thirty greatest living American songwriters and they left Billy
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Speaker 2: Joel off that list.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've said it quite a few times on my show.
28:34
Speaker 4: It's just it's stupid. I mean, who ever put it
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Speaker 4: together should be ashamed. I mean, Billy Joel is an
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Speaker 4: American treasure. Yes he didn't. He didn't need three or
28:48
Speaker 4: four different people to help him write those songs. What
28:52
Speaker 4: are the few artists who does everything himself? And Bruce
28:58
Speaker 4: is the same way. You never you never see you know,
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Speaker 4: underneath the title of the song Billy Joel and in
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Speaker 4: three other names like Britney Britney Spears or whoever. Even
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Speaker 4: even some of the big pop stars today still go
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Speaker 4: to you know, Sweden or Norway to get help on
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Speaker 4: writing the hits. But not Billy. He didn't do it
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Speaker 4: and he's going on for years.
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Speaker 7: You know.
29:25
Speaker 4: They also left off Neil Diamond got the yeah, same thing, right, Yeah, yes.
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Speaker 2: I saw a podcast with the New York Times music
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Speaker 2: critics and the editor and all it did was make
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Speaker 2: me mad. They were so condescending, you know, so I don't.
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Speaker 4: Know, Kim. How did they defend that?
29:52
Speaker 2: Well, one guy said, well, Billy Joel's good at writing
29:55
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing now, Billy Joel's good at writing a certain
29:59
Speaker 2: kind of song. And then another one of the critics
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Speaker 2: just admitted he doesn't like Billy Joel.
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Speaker 4: But certain kind of songs.
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Speaker 2: Certain kind of song.
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Speaker 4: You mean, like a popular a popular hit song, right.
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Speaker 2: Right, a popular hit song that people like.
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Speaker 4: Tell the truth. Did you see any names in there
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Speaker 4: that you weren't familiar with?
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Speaker 2: A few that I that I you know, hadn't heard
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Speaker 2: of before. But you know, there are others like, for instance,
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Speaker 2: Lucinda Williams is on the list. I have nothing against
30:30
Speaker 2: Lucinda Williams. She writes nice songs. She wrote a song
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Speaker 2: this Kiss, which Mary Chapin Carpenter had a hit with
30:36
Speaker 2: and I think nineteen ninety or nineteen ninety one. It
30:38
Speaker 2: was a good song. But she's on the list and
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Speaker 2: Billy Joel isn't. That's the part that makes me crazy.
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Speaker 4: I was sad. And you know what, Mariah Carey is
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Speaker 4: a fine artist, but she didn't write all those songs.
30:52
Speaker 4: You might have written she might have helped out and
30:56
Speaker 4: I like her. I think she's fine. But or Billy Joel,
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Speaker 4: that makes no sense. You can go through there and
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Speaker 4: take five, six, seven, maybe eight people who should Billy
31:09
Speaker 4: Joel should have been in before they were in.
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Speaker 2: Oh, and by and by the way, Scott, since we're
31:16
Speaker 2: under these time constraints, I just wanted to mention that
31:21
Speaker 2: one of our iHeartRadio on Air colleagues, Helen Little, will
31:26
Speaker 2: be inducted as a member of the Class of twenty
31:29
Speaker 2: twenty six into the Radio Hall of Fame. You have
31:32
Speaker 2: often been the master of ceremonies for that event. You're
31:35
Speaker 2: an important part of it, and you know that that's
31:37
Speaker 2: a really big deal for Helen.
31:41
Speaker 4: Oh, she's a superstar in Philly and she's gonna be great.
31:48
Speaker 4: She's also going to be good. And I got to
31:50
Speaker 4: say boomersiasin.
31:52
Speaker 2: Also Boomer, he's a sports legend. On w fa N.
31:57
Speaker 4: Before we run out of time, tell me what you
32:01
Speaker 4: thought about McCartney on Saturday Night Live.
32:06
Speaker 2: I think that it would be acceptable to people, because
32:10
Speaker 2: they love Paul McCartney so much, if he were to
32:13
Speaker 2: have a bunch of background singers who could hit the
32:17
Speaker 2: notes that he can't hit anymore. They would just be
32:20
Speaker 2: happy to see him on the stage. Love the songs
32:23
Speaker 2: that he has created that are so wonderful and such
32:26
Speaker 2: an important part of people's lives, and let some background
32:31
Speaker 2: singers hit the high notes. How's that?
32:34
Speaker 9: Well?
32:34
Speaker 4: I saw I saw him in one of the places
32:40
Speaker 4: in New Jersey where they have the concerts now, and
32:46
Speaker 4: I noticed that he wasn't hitting all the notes. There
32:49
Speaker 4: wasn't much different I think he was. I think he's
32:53
Speaker 4: better in person with his band on stage than he
32:57
Speaker 4: is on the stage of Saturday Night Live, right because
33:00
Speaker 4: and he doesn't hear all the news. But I got
33:04
Speaker 4: to tell you something. I walked out of there happy
33:07
Speaker 4: to see Paul McCartney. You know, here's the guy that's
33:10
Speaker 4: been singing sixty five in years, right, and he's not
33:15
Speaker 4: hitting all the notes. But he's still Paul McCartney. He's
33:19
Speaker 4: a beatle, right. Look what he gave us, Look what
33:21
Speaker 4: he did for music, and.
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Speaker 2: Scott, I would be Scott. I would be happy if
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Speaker 2: Paul McCartney stood on the stage and he had to
33:29
Speaker 2: just recite the lyrics rather than sing them. He's that important,
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Speaker 2: he really is. Time it's time for us to go, Scott.
33:36
Speaker 2: It's been fun talking with you.
33:38
Speaker 4: Great talking to you and my favorite radio producer, Trevor
33:44
Speaker 4: probably overseeing things today. He's a great guy. You're lucky
33:48
Speaker 4: to have him on the air, my friend.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. Yeah, he just got promoted
33:53
Speaker 2: here at.
33:54
Speaker 4: I know, I know all about it. He's working with
33:57
Speaker 4: you now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks a lot, Scott, appreciate you're taking the time
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Speaker 2: to speak with us this morning here on the Mark
34:03
Speaker 2: Simone Show from wor Now.
34:06
Speaker 1: More with Mark Simone's special guest host Jim Kerr on
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Speaker 1: sevent ten woof.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you just feel the history here at Radio seven
34:17
Speaker 2: to ten WR over a century of serving people in
34:21
Speaker 2: New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania. I mean, the fifty
34:26
Speaker 2: thousand watts signal of this big am station. It just
34:30
Speaker 2: makes you feel like you're a part of something so
34:32
Speaker 2: special whenever you walk toward this part of the building
34:36
Speaker 2: here at the iHeartRadio headquarters in New York City. Ken
34:39
Speaker 2: Rizzotto is going to be in tomorrow to substitute for
34:42
Speaker 2: Mark Simone, who is on vacation. I know Ken, he's
34:45
Speaker 2: a really great guy. It's nice to see him when
34:47
Speaker 2: he comes in here. Ordinarily, the end of a show,
34:50
Speaker 2: especially when you're a substitute like I am, you look
34:54
Speaker 2: up at the clock and the seconds just start ticking
34:57
Speaker 2: away before you get a chance to thank people who
35:01
Speaker 2: have been helpful. And with a little less than two
35:05
Speaker 2: minutes left in the show, I wanted to go right
35:08
Speaker 2: to that right now. First of all, Mark's producer Chris
35:13
Speaker 2: has really really helped me out, you know. I mean,
35:17
Speaker 2: this is not part of my regular workday at Q one.
35:24
Speaker 2: On four point three, I do the morning show, I
35:28
Speaker 2: play the songs, I have some fun, and then I
35:31
Speaker 2: go home. Well, today it was take a walk down
35:33
Speaker 2: the hall and do a two hour talk show on war.
35:37
Speaker 2: And Chris has been so helpful and he's such a
35:40
Speaker 2: great producer. And then there's Izzy now is He is
35:45
Speaker 2: the technical director of the show, working all of the
35:48
Speaker 2: control room equipment. And I've got to tell you that
35:52
Speaker 2: people talk behind his back. And so I'll say this
35:55
Speaker 2: live right here on the radio. There are hundreds of
35:58
Speaker 2: people who work here. Nobody is more positive, more upbeat
36:04
Speaker 2: every single day than Izzy. Nobody can lift the mood
36:08
Speaker 2: of a room quicker than he can with a smile
36:11
Speaker 2: and a sparkle in his eye for everyone. Every day.
36:14
Speaker 2: It can be gloomy, there can be thunder and lightning
36:17
Speaker 2: and rain, and it doesn't matter. When he walks on
36:20
Speaker 2: the floor, everything gets a little bit brighter. And thank
36:22
Speaker 2: you for helping out this morning here on Mark Simon's show.
36:26
Speaker 2: This has really been a lot of fun for me.
36:29
Speaker 2: And of course we've got Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton
36:33
Speaker 2: coming up for you. First, we're going to find out
36:36
Speaker 2: what is going on in the world. We've got the
36:39
Speaker 2: long holiday weekend coming up. I'll be back on the
36:42
Speaker 2: air tomorrow morning at five o'clock dark and early on
36:45
Speaker 2: New York's rock station q ONO four point three. I'm
36:48
Speaker 2: Jim Kurth. Thank you so much for listening. It is
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Speaker 2: twelve noon