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Patriots Unfiltered 6/10: Live Broadcast from MiniCamp Day 1 · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Call you're looking good? You've been
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  Speaker 1: losing weight? Are you on the oz epics? A lot
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  Speaker 3: He says, I know grammar and language come up sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: so I figured i'd highlight a few oddities and errors
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  Speaker 3: that you still make, Paul, picture is pronounced picture, not
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  Speaker 1: You must be a barrel apps us.
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  Speaker 4: Lining up cadence between the quarterbacks and making sure everybody
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  Speaker 4: is kind of doing it the same way is something
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  Speaker 4: that they've been talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing us down the new studio. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have three cameras, he was in. We'll be able to
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to day one of Mini Camp. This is Fred Kurst,
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  Speaker 3: Mike do So, Evan Lazar and Tamara Brown. We will
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  Speaker 3: be here for the duration of practice today Monday. It's
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  Speaker 3: day one and we are high above the practice fields
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  Speaker 3: of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go to practice.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are, We're here, We're arrived. What a beautiful day,
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  Speaker 1: perfect Chris weather, not too humid or sticky or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. So I don't know about you guys, but
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  Speaker 1: this is a fun, uh little final rap here as
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  Speaker 1: we get ready for Tom Brady Night on Wednesday. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a couple of days of Mini Camp practice and
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  Speaker 1: uh and then I guess we get a vacation. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's the hope, right, what's that? What's the vacation? It
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  Speaker 1: hasn't felt like this offseason, but no, but good to
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  Speaker 1: see some names here and everything. Uh, you know, Devon Gotshaw,
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Judon, who's moving back out there? Not me me
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  Speaker 1: there there we go. Uh, but you know a couple
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  Speaker 1: of names, Giromeo did say in his press conference everybody
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  Speaker 1: was here still taking some inventory of of the injury guys,
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  Speaker 1: rehab guys, you know, Jiulani Tobai, Kendrick Bourne, Uh, col
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  Speaker 1: Strange obviously hasn't been really participating. We think he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be out. But a couple of these names, Jonathan Jones
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  Speaker 1: who's been in and out, Judon hasn't really been around,
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha hasn't been around. Those guys are here. So it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like giord is happy with the attendance. Yes, so
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  Speaker 1: it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Really got a you know, training can't feel we we
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  Speaker 3: actually have referees out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a chain gang out there.
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  Speaker 3: So they're gonna do some down and distance work today.
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  Speaker 3: So you're really gonna get a feel for training camp
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  Speaker 3: today minus the fans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you wonder just how competitive it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Jerrod said that there was gonna be some
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  Speaker 1: competitiveness today. I mean take from that what you will.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen some competitiveness, I guess you could call it
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  Speaker 1: in OTAs, but you know, eleven on eleven brief periods
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  Speaker 1: last week we were hearing the red zone a lot
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  Speaker 1: third down, but a lot of red zone work is
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of used to seeing, and you know, just
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  Speaker 1: to recap, I guess for people who weren't around, a
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  Speaker 1: little clunky from the offense, you know, ups and downs,
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  Speaker 1: a couple drake may interceptions. Definitely seems like the defense
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  Speaker 1: that has continuity, that has coaching continuity, they seem to
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit ahead, which, you know, not all
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  Speaker 1: that surprising given that you've got a completely remade offense.
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  Speaker 3: So just just in case people are wondering, you're looking
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  Speaker 3: at us right now, because this is what they call
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  Speaker 3: period one, they're doing some walkthroughs of some actual plays
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  Speaker 3: and formation and stuff, so they don't want our cameras
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  Speaker 3: to turn to them for period one. But once this
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  Speaker 3: period's over, you'll be looking at the field. So don't worry,
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna have to look at us for the
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  Speaker 3: whole full time.
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  Speaker 1: Tamara, what do you got?
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, I couldn't figure out my microsone or not, but
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  Speaker 6: I want to draw attention to something Girod said in
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  Speaker 6: his press conference today and see what you guys thought.
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  Speaker 6: Where did you think of the question about Drake May
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  Speaker 6: moving into second behind Jacoby Brissett and his response, Do
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  Speaker 6: we really think it's just trying new looks and trying
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  Speaker 6: new people offensively and defensively?
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  Speaker 7: Do we really think that they're ready for him to
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  Speaker 7: get more reps?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: It said that last week when we talked to Drake
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  Speaker 4: May about it, even after practice, that it's just about
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  Speaker 4: getting him work with other guys that he's throwing to,
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  Speaker 4: because if you are in the same order every single time,
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  Speaker 4: then you're gonna be thrown to the same group of
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  Speaker 4: receivers with the same offensive linemen and.
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  Speaker 1: So on and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: My read on it, Tamara, is that they're trying to
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  Speaker 4: play this a little bit close to the vest and
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  Speaker 4: try not to make as many headlines about it as
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  Speaker 4: it's obviously going to make.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see out here today.
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  Speaker 4: One of my big things about today is the order
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  Speaker 4: the same as what we saw last time, because that
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  Speaker 4: would tell me that it's definitively that Drake May has
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  Speaker 4: moved up the depth chart versus what they're telling us
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  Speaker 4: it is, which is experimenting with other combinations.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we shouldn't be surprised, right this is only
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  Speaker 3: a matter of time. They didn't draft this guy through
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  Speaker 3: the overall to back up Bailey Zappi.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's really where we're at right now
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  Speaker 4: with Zappi is just.
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  Speaker 1: His spot on this team.
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  Speaker 4: It comes down to, if Jacob Brissett were to get
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  Speaker 4: hurt early on in the season, do you trust to
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  Speaker 4: put Drake May out there before maybe you really want to,
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  Speaker 4: versus carrying Bailey Zappi as sort of the emergency backup
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  Speaker 4: for that circumstance. Is it worth carrying another quarterback on
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  Speaker 4: the roster that isn't the future simply because you want
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  Speaker 4: to break glass emergency type of situation. If Drake May
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  Speaker 4: were to have to go in early or then what
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  Speaker 4: the timeline tells you.
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  Speaker 6: I think given the history of quarterbacks the last two
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  Speaker 6: years in the NFL, I think could be beneficial to
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  Speaker 6: keep Bailly Zappy because you've seen so many guys go down,
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  Speaker 6: Especially when you look at a team like the Giants
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  Speaker 6: who burned through three quarterbacks so quickly in the season
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  Speaker 6: because of injuries.
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  Speaker 7: It couldn't hurt to have a guy there just in case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just look at the Browns last year with
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  Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelton. I mean he's, you know, pulling Joe
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  Speaker 1: Flacco off, Yeah, the couch, which you know, say what
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  Speaker 1: you will about Bailey Zappy, but I think you know
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  Speaker 1: having him in there is probably preferable. Then you know,
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  Speaker 1: a guy that you're gonna get in mid season. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't get like, you know, oh, they're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: down to three, Like, why would you say that? Because
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously it would be Bailey's appy. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: cut the two guys they just drafted. And Jacoby Brissett,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everyone is calling him the starter and that's
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  Speaker 1: you know what we have to refer to him as.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what the rush is. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean I get Evan, you know, the point early on
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  Speaker 1: with reps and all that definitely very important and we'll
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  Speaker 1: see hero over the last couple of days how they
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  Speaker 1: divvy those things up. But I just I'm never in
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  Speaker 1: a rush to get rid of a quarterback. In this league,
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  Speaker 1: you're not in a rush.
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  Speaker 3: But let's just say that Drake May does show steady
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  Speaker 3: progress and understanding of the off, At what point do
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  Speaker 3: you have to make that tough decision on Bailey Zappi,
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  Speaker 3: and do you only get rid of him if it's
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  Speaker 3: in some part of a transaction that you're getting something,
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  Speaker 3: or do you just out and out release him?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think deadlines matter in the league always, so
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  Speaker 4: until they are forced to cut the roster down from
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  Speaker 4: ninety to I think there's a seventy five cut down
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  Speaker 4: now and then it goes all the way down to
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  Speaker 4: fifty three. I don't see any rush to get rid
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  Speaker 4: of Bailey Zappi before that fifty three man roster cutdown
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  Speaker 4: because he should be on an NFL roster somewhere as
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  Speaker 4: a backup quarterback. So why would you put the car
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  Speaker 4: before the horse, right, Like, why would you speed him
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  Speaker 4: out of here when maybe he does have a decent preseason,
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he has a decent joint practice. If we have
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  Speaker 4: one of those right where he shows another team something
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  Speaker 4: that's here with joint practices, something along those lines, could
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  Speaker 4: maybe increase his trade value. And you get to that
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  Speaker 4: roster cutdown day and it's not going to be for much,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe it's for a player you know that's a
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  Speaker 4: depth player at a different position, or maybe it's for
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  Speaker 4: a twenty twenty five draft pick, and I think that
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  Speaker 4: you have to look at those things and realize that
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  Speaker 4: cutting him now really is a disturbance.
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  Speaker 6: So so and I feel like and having him, it's
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  Speaker 6: not like it's causing like confusion in the locker room
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  Speaker 6: or causing anyone to feel some type of way.
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  Speaker 7: So, for example, if.
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  Speaker 6: They kept Matt Jones and tried to use him as
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  Speaker 6: a backup quarterback, that'd be really uncomfortable. But keeping Baileys Appy,
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  Speaker 6: I feel like that's totally different.
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  Speaker 3: So is the answer then, No matter what you get
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  Speaker 3: to the fifty three man cut down, if there isn't
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  Speaker 3: anything on the table for him, you're keeping him. You're
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  Speaker 3: you know, whether it's on the practice squad or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But he's gonna stay on this team until such time
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  Speaker 3: where there's something to be gutten for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think so it's just it's too important
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  Speaker 1: of a position in the league to just start right,
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  Speaker 1: We're good, you know. I mean, I do think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a world where you feel like Drake may is
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  Speaker 1: the number two. But if it really came down to
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  Speaker 1: it and you had to put a guy into a
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  Speaker 1: game in the first like few weeks of the season,
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  Speaker 1: that you still might go to Bailey Zappy just because he's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit more versed and it has
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more experience. But I just think when
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  Speaker 1: you need quarterbacks like this, we saw what happened. Like
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  Speaker 1: Tamara pointed out, with other teams in the past, it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, why be in a rush. The three of
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  Speaker 1: you seem a little bit more hesitant than I am.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think when Drake May is ready, you
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  Speaker 3: put him in.
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  Speaker 1: See I'm in that school. No, yea.
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  Speaker 6: I definitely think put d Drake May in when he's ready.
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  Speaker 6: But I also think that you need to have a
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  Speaker 6: plan if he gets hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I would start Drake May week one, like
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  Speaker 4: I would. I'm telling you that right now. My only
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  Speaker 4: I guess what's the word. My only hesitation for starting
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  Speaker 4: him week one is it's a long season and they
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  Speaker 4: don't have a buy until week fourteen this year. And
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  Speaker 4: if you want to convince me that September is an
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  Speaker 4: extension of the preseason and we're not going to figure
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  Speaker 4: out the offensive line until maybe mid October, and so
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  Speaker 4: maybe you sit him for the first four weeks of
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  Speaker 4: the season. But this the data that suggests that sitting
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback is the only thing that works. It really
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  Speaker 4: isn't backed up. Like if you look at the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 4: from last year, the top ten quarterbacks in QBR, seven
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  Speaker 4: of them started as rookies. The only ones that don't
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  Speaker 4: start as rookies are Mahomes and Jordan Love, Like those
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  Speaker 4: are your two in Rogers when he comes back, and.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them had playoff quarterbacks in front of.
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  Speaker 4: Them, right, And it just all these examples, you know,
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  Speaker 4: guys that weren't necessarily ready, like Josh Allen he started
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  Speaker 4: eleven games his rookie season. Lamar Jackson really wasn't there
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  Speaker 4: yet as a passer and started his rookie season and
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  Speaker 4: then started a playoff game for Baltimore also, So there's
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  Speaker 4: just a lot of examples of it going both ways.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like the conversation is always about well,
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  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and Jordan Love sat, so that means that
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  Speaker 4: everybody has to sit, and I just don't think that
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  Speaker 4: that's accurate.
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  Speaker 3: So, as our viewers can see, our cameras are now
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  Speaker 3: turned back on the field, session one.
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  Speaker 8: Or what do they call it, pod? First period one
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  Speaker 8: is over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so now we're looking at stretching right now, as
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  Speaker 3: they always do. Anyone that's watched these broadcasts for is
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  Speaker 3: accustomed to seeing this. The music goes up, players start stretching,
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  Speaker 3: and once that's done, they'll go into is this considered.
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  Speaker 8: A period, Yeah, yeah, so stretch period.
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  Speaker 3: So once they're done with this, they'll go into period
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  Speaker 3: three and you will see period three.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be cool.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think, compared to other live practice broadcasts we've
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  Speaker 3: done in the past, you're gonna see more of the
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  Speaker 3: practice than you ever have in the past. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 3: that's of course an indication in the new regime. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's not all as much cloak and dagger as
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  Speaker 3: it it used to be. Whether that's for better or worse,
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  Speaker 3: we'll we'll find out, Yeah, in September, in October.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely a lot of really you know, interesting pieces.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the big key part for me with
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf was, you know, talking with young players are
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  Speaker 1: gonna play, and I think early through the spring OTAs
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  Speaker 1: maybe some spots that you might feel they have some
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  Speaker 1: depth questions. It seems at least for the time being,
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  Speaker 1: that they're content to you know, really get a look
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  Speaker 1: at some of these younger plays, and you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about the cornerback position where you know, Miles Bryan
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  Speaker 1: really has played a pretty big role the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. He's he's no longer around. You know, some
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  Speaker 1: of the role players are gone, Lawrence guy being one
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  Speaker 1: on defense as well, So you just have some young
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  Speaker 1: guys like Isaiah Bolden and Sean Wade and Alex Austin
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  Speaker 1: and Tristan Hill, some of these younger players that you know,
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  Speaker 1: feels like through OTA's that kind of have an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to secure a role on this on this defense, And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a big, a big piece
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  Speaker 1: of what this new regime is trying to do. He's
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  Speaker 1: offer opportunities for these young guys to excel. So I
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  Speaker 1: hope they stick to that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, I do, because I think there's a
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  Speaker 4: world still where there's a lot of veteran guys on
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  Speaker 4: this team that could play over some of those younger players.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe not so much on the defensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 4: but offensively. We've talked so much about Juju Smith Schuster
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  Speaker 4: and his role in all this. If he's playing over
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  Speaker 4: Javon Baker and Jalen Polk I think that's a mistake
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  Speaker 4: for them because they whether the results are there right
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  Speaker 4: away or not, is not necessarily the point, I feel like,
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  Speaker 4: especially early on in this season. So I really hope
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  Speaker 4: that they stick to let's let the young guys play
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  Speaker 4: and this goes back to the quarterback as well. You
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  Speaker 4: just really hope that that's what we're gonna do here.
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  Speaker 4: I know we always talk about the Packers deuce and
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  Speaker 4: watching those joint practices. Can you just see those young
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  Speaker 4: guys that are out there for Green Bay and how
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  Speaker 4: much it's benefited them to grow together in Unison. The
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  Speaker 4: receivers Jordan Love like, like, that's what the Patriots I
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  Speaker 4: hope we're gonna emulate.
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  Speaker 3: As we look at over the field, do you see
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  Speaker 3: anything new, any contraptions, any any equipment, anything new that
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  Speaker 3: we haven't seen before.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you know, for the for the viewers,
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  Speaker 8: probably new for them.
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  Speaker 1: Over on the far field, they have, you know, basically
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  Speaker 1: a giant screen set up with three different places for
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  Speaker 1: the ball to go. That's been consistently part of all
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  Speaker 1: the practices that they've had so far. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: footwork drills, you you know, I'm sure you'll see drills
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  Speaker 1: coming up here in a minute where you know the
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to drop back, they're going to jump
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  Speaker 1: over a couple of pads and then one of the
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  Speaker 1: coach is gonna yell out, you know one of the
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  Speaker 1: colors there, I guess it's red, yellow, blue, as to
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  Speaker 1: which areas it's a target. So those have been a
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  Speaker 1: big part of it. I know, Fred, you were iron
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  Speaker 1: down there. Looks like they got some kind of if we.
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  Speaker 3: Can let all the camera for a second, just pan
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  Speaker 3: back right a little bit, I don't know if they
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  Speaker 3: can hear me. Yeah, keep going, keep going, keep going
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  Speaker 3: where that orons thing is. It seems to be a
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  Speaker 3: contraption that eventually that will raise up and players will
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  Speaker 3: have to go underneath it.
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  Speaker 1: Or I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you call it, Evan the Callahan sledge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So actually back right corner, I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 4: where're appointed right now, where the waste innovation side is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so those are the Callahan sleds. So Bill Callahan was
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  Speaker 4: the offensive line coach in Cleveland for years and personally
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  Speaker 4: we all know we're all Scarneckia guys here, but Bill
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  Speaker 4: Callahan is the other name in offensive line coaching that's
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  Speaker 4: considered one of the greatest of all time, and he
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  Speaker 4: has actually designed his own blocking sled and the idea
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  Speaker 4: is to mimic more of what you're gonna do against
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: a defensive player. If we could, if we could get
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: underneath it, we could.
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: Just pan right a little bit more right under the.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Two coaches standing by them.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we could go to where the waste Innovation sign
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: is and there's a couple of blocking sleds right below.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going with the camera.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I don't know if they can hear me,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: but uh, once once they start using it, we'll point
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: it out. The other thing I noticed that, Uh, the
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: camera's on it right now. If we can freeze up
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: up now, they're gonna move.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So all right, so you see the dummies underneath the
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: bud light, uh banner right to the left. Now, each
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: one of those have a have a jersey number. Is
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: there any significance to the jersey numbers on those blocking dummies?
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Well, there are defensive players. You know.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: There's a eight, there's a five, right, And so my
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: guess is is that it's telling you which defensive player
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: you're blocking. You're gonna block eyes differently, you're gonna block
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: jupial peppers. That's a different block than blocking Devon godshop, right,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: So I'm assuming that that's the way that that is
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: set up. But a lot of the things that we're seeing,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: like the Callahan sled, some of the different sleds if
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: they have that are now angled. A lot of this
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: is set up for them to block outside zone, right.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: That's the idea is that instead of straight on with
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: the pad, but now you have something that's a little
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: bit more at an angle, and the idea is to
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: create that horizontal step so that you're repping an outside
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: zone step versus repping a downhill or a gap scheme
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: where you're just coming straight off the ball. So there
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: are different angle, different sort of ideas. But yeah, Bill
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Callahan actually has a trademark on that sled.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe we get that if you pan right with the camera,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: keep pan right that the other way other way? No, okay,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: well it's it's it's tough to Yeah.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: Also, has post always been narrow?
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: Oh there we go right there? Stop, that's those are
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: the Callahan sleds. Those those two pieces of equipment right there,
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: and you notice that they're angled down.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: They're angled down. Those are really hard to move unless
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: you hit them just right. If you don't hit them
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: just right, they dig in and you can't slide them.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: So you've really got you get your pads low and
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: come up, get underneath and to.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Move those things.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting once they start using that who
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: does it well and who does it? So those those
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: are the Callahan sleds. And as Evan said, uh, Callahan
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: has a patent now though.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Scott Peters of course worked under Callahan, so
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: maybe you got a deal.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Made all the connections. Yeah, So Callahan is now in
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Tennessee with his son is the head coach of the Titans,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: so he moved from Cleveland to Tennessee. And Scott Peters
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: obviously came here with Alex van Pelt but one of
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: the better, if not up there on the mount rushmore
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: of offensive line coaches. Spartaneki you know some other guys.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I was saying, have I just not paid
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: attention to this, But has that the goal post always
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: been that narrow?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they they move him around, but yeah, there's
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: two narrow ones? Is that one and then I think
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the one two are right in the in this one
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: is narrow as well.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so a couple of couple of absences. I'm still
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: working through this though, but you know, no Uk, you
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: haven't seen him yet.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Uh, he was one that that had missed.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: I think it was the last two sessions, I think.
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: And I haven't spotted Joshua yet. Okay, so a couple
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: of guys that, of course reserve the right. Some of
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: these guys might have snuck out of here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But as you said, Judon is here.
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we saw Judon and and one little thing about
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: got Chah No, you know, no practice Jersey on with
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: him just wearing a red sweatshirt.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Not sure what that means. He was out here really
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: early getting loosened up, but he has not been around
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: for the OT practices, so it seems like he's on
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: kind of a reduced workload plan.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It does bring back some memories of Jude on last
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: summer where it's always wonder if those are holding. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: if he's now, I'm here, I've got my helmet, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to put my number on yet or something.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Players have wizened up with the holdouts and how they
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: do hold ins. Fine, so they don't get fine because
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: they're physically here, but they're not actually participating in anything
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: because they want a new contract.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: So all right, So now we're into period three. They've
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: broken up to basically offense to our right, defense to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: our left might be special.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're going to see some kickoff here. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, this is a little bit of a glimpse
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: inside what this new kickoff is going to look like.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: We've seen some different kind of styles of ways that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: they've approached it, but what the images speak for themselves. Yep,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and you're just kind of seeing, you know, they can't
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: move until the guy catches the ball.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: So you know, I was I was confused when I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: first heard the rule. I thought the line of scrimmage
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: was going to be closer to where the ball's being received.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It really still you still have some distance to you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to get down there from. So it's not so I
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: don't think there will be the breakaways that I thought
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: there would be if the line was closer, because I
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: think now there's time for the you know, for the defense,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: for the kicking team to kind of see where the
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: receivers going and kind of adjust.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Now I can't I'm not sure if the videos get
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: are they doing the kickoffs right now? Yeah? But yeah,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you know there's an example of a ball on its
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: side and kind of kind of a squib kick, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you can see Marcus Jones having a heck of a
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: time trying to feel it. Yeah, you know, that's something
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they've been kind of experimenting with as well. So you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: see the referees involved. I'm sure they're just as curious
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: as we are to see, you know, what teams are
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: gonna throw at them in these opening weeks. Uh, do
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you go full bore in the preseason to figure out
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: how it works? Or do you feel like you know
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and you maybe hold back a little bit for when
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you get into the regular season. US just one of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: those weird things in the NFL where all of a sudden,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be the kickoffs are just gonna be different
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: this year. And yeah, I'm sure each team has their
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: own philosophy how they're gonna approach it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: It seems like the players are I don't know if
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: my mind's like it's also.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I can't hear you.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it seemed like the players are excited about the
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: new rules.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: I was laughing today when Gerd Mayo was like that,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Jelani Tavai was like, and.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Put me in.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: I want to be involved in He's like, you gotta
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: get healthy beer. Yeah, So I'm wondering, just you know
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: how many other players are that excited about these new
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: rule changes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Jelani Tavai is bothering Girod to kick
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: off as a non kicker like the Chiefs have been doing.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: But we've we've seen them experiment a lot with two returners,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: and I that's gonna have to be the way you go,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: at least for most teams. Because we saw Ryland I
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: think it was is that just kicked off one where
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: he angled it, you know, you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Know, Mortar kicked it right to a spot.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: And if teams are gonna do that and the returners
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: in the middle or the returners on the left hand
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: side trying to set up the return the kicker is
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: just going to kick the ball like a punt, directionally
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: away from where the returner is and now all of
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: a sudden, you're down inside the ten, down inside the
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: five if it's a good bound. So I think teams
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: are going to experiment with this two returner look, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: then the other thing I would say is just all
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the different things you can do off of two returners
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: is really intriguing as well, because you can do reverses,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you can do fake reverses, the returner that doesn't get
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the ball can turn into a lead blocker. You know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: there's all sorts of different type of schematic things that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: that are gonna be fun and interesting teams that have
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: a risk.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: And I was gonna say, I really like that two
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: returner idea, and I think that could be a way
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: that a guy like Jalen Rager makes this roster is
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: if you have Jalen Rager and Marcus Jones back there,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: I think that could be a dynamic duo that could
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: make them really successful in.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: This new rule.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: But with the kicking team not being able to release
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage until the ball is either
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: caught or hits the ground, I think you're guaranteed to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: have a return at least to the twenty five.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah it seems right, I mean, yeah, it would seem
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that way. But you know, even just watching these couple here,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's tough. It's tough to field it, and you
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: know what, you even if you have these grandiose plans
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of how you're gonna use two returners. If the guy
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: can't cleanly feel the ball, it's it's hard to then
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: all right, now get up and run the you know.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Well that's a strategy maybe is like give us a
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: couple extra seconds, you know, to get down there, because
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: like I said, you can release once it hits the ground.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: You don't have to wait until it's in the returner's hands, right,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: So that gives you that couple extra seconds to get
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: down there, because without that, like I said, you're guaranteed
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to be at least to the twenty five before anyone
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you know, was even near them.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: That's why, that's why I believe the best thing to
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: do is to hit those line drive mortar kicks that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: they were just experimenting with and make the ball bounce,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: because then the returner also then then we'll have to
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: corral it then get himself set up to run. Whereas
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the kickoff coverage unit they can go as soon as
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: the ball hits the ground. I'm really fascinated to see
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: how they block it because you can't move until the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: ball either hits the ground or the returner catches it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: And a lot of guys have their back to the returner,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: so you don't know exactly how so someone's gonna have
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: to call it out on the line of scrimmage that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: go type of signal. And what we've seen so far,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the ones that they've done in practice, is they've really
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: struggled to get that initial point of attack block and
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: there's one guy through that just every single time he's
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: just through the line of scrimmage because of how difficult
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: it is to get the angle, and you just see
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: it time and time again that the returners just met
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: right away. So that's why I still think that having
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: somebody back there that can dance a little bit like
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: a Marcus Jones, like a Pop Douglas, that has some
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: of that agility and that escapability is going to be
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: big because the straight line speed guy is just going
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to run into a brick wall.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So the main reason they're doing this is, you know, health, right,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: do you think that's actually going to accomplish that?
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, it seems like, I don't know, it's a
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: good question, just as much chance to get hurt on
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: this and.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Not statistically, how do we know because of the spring
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: leagues that have done it so far.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not as fast and as big.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Right, but there's not a full you're talking about a
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: much smaller gap that you're running up.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Is like it's almost like a mini car crash when
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: you go from you know, the thirty all the way
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: down the field. So there's a lot everybody's moving a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: lot slower on this play than what they would on
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: a traditional NFL kickoff. So that's the idea. The concussion
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: numbers in the spring leagues are way way down compared
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: to the traditional NFL rule kickoff. So their early returns
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: from what they've done it in different leagues suggests that
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it's it's going to limit injuries significantly.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll see. I was just going to point
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: out Fred. One more thing that we've noticed before is
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: right now you have Juju Smith Schuster and Taekwon Thornton
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: working just with Tyler Hughes right now, so you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the offense down there seems like they're kind of working
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on screen game. But these are two guys that, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: talk about a really loaded wide receipt. I don't want
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to say loaded in terms of, like you know, maybe
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: not the talent part, but loaded with bodies right now,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: at least two veteran guys who you brought some young
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: guys in. You signed kJ Osborne. Clearly these guys right
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: now don't play special teams. So you know, Taekwon had
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good few OTA sessions. I mean, he's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: made some plays. We saw it last year too, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I think he's a guy wants to keep that momentum
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: going love to see. I mean Juju showed up a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: couple times last OTA two. So you know, just two
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: veterans that feels like their backs are a little bit
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: against the wall and they need to have strong days
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: every I think every time they come out here.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: An you know, I've singled them out as my odd
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: men out. I feel like all off season long in
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: terms of I see those two as the potential to
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: not to make the roster when it comes down to
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the final fifty three. And I think they're going to
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: have to be consistent, not just one day in OTAs,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: but the entire camp in order for them to have
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: a chance.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: They have seen Taekwon as a gunner on special teams
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but with his frame, you worry about
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: injuries happening from him playing that spot. But we should
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: say not that, you know, I know, we're spending a
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: lot of time on special teams. So that's what they're
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: doing right now. Without Matthew Slater, there is a wide
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: open competition there for the other gunner spot. I'm sure
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: assuming Brendan Schooler is going to be on one side there,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: but on the other side that there's going to be
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: an opportunity there for somebody to take over for Slater.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I don't see it with Taekwon.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I just don't see the fit with his frame, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I think he's going to get jammed a lot and
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: not be able to make a huge impact as a gunner.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: But if you want to talk about him having a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: role on.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Special teams at all, that's probably where you're gonna find
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: himself on the field in that phase of the game.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: And speaking of frame, I could see that being the
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: reason why that Juju ends up making the team because
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: of his frame and his ability to block and help
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: other things with the offense that EVP is trying to run.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Juju's spot is big on what Kendrick
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Bourne's health is to start the year. If Kendrick Bourne
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: has to start the year on IR pup then maybe
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: that opens up this bought for juju. But if you
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: have juju, you have Kendrick Born healthy, you have Jalen Polk,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: even Javon Baker a little bit kJ Osborne. It's a
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: lot of the same type of receiver and we're pretty
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: redundant there. So I wonder if how much Born's health
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: will play a role in all of this.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So doing some punt here out of the end zone.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You know, again, just talk about Adrian Phillips. I mean
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a guy you know, nobody's really mentioned him, but you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: know it did play a pretty sizeable special teams role.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the up back on the on the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: punt team. You have Marty mop who you got Jalen
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Hawkins in there now, so you know, it's not just
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Slater's role on special teams. It's a number of different
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: roles including you know, Chris Board's gone, I mean a
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, Cody Davis, these guys that played
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: extensive special corning roles. So you know, Paul not here,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So just to give him a shout out, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's like just getting Mapoo involved in stuff like that,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you know, getting him on the field as much as possible.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the safety position is going to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: play out, but you know, again, it goes back to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the first point, young players having an opportunity, but not
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: just special teams. Guys like Marty Mapu, guy that you
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: want to see on defense that you know it's gonna
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: probably play some special teams as well now and hopefully
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that helps give them, you know, some development. Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I asked a Girodd about Marty Maphu and he consistently
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: mentioned that the versatility is going to be big for him,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: where if you're paying a heavy run team, you're probably
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: not gonna play him at the second level of the defense,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: but maybe in other weeks where you're playing more of
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: a spread offense, he could fit there as a traditional linebacker.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: When they scouted him, he said that they viewed him
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: in three different spots potentially like a big nickel role
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: in the slot, safety and inside linebacker, and he just
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: said that it's going to be a matchup base thing
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: that they're gonna move him around and use him as.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: A chess piece.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: That sounds great in theory, but you have to be
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: able to hang your hat on one thing. I feel
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: like in this league to make it consistently. So it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: cool to be a jack of all trades, but you
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: also have to have something that this is what I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: really good at, and this is where I go on
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: third in money, you know the games on the line,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: that's our corner.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: They're using that callahan sled. Now. Yeah, it doesn't look fun.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: You can see it's it's a little bit tougher than
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the normal sled.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As soon as you get too high, it stops. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, the whole thing with That's why
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I was a terrible offensive and defensive lineman because I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: too high and every single time got underneath me and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: just pushed me right back.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: It's not it's not the skinny frame.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: Quarterbacks are doing some target practice in the middle of
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: the field.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It's cool. They have colors on there. Now.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: They have also been doing numbers at different times, so
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: they call it out in the drop. They don't tell
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: you beforehand, so they'll go through the drop and then
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: a VP will say blue, red, white, Right, I think
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: it's the three colors, and then they have to make
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: a split second decision a reaction to throw it in
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the right target.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yep, you got red, blue on the outside whites in
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the middle.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: They said they're keeping track who's winning. Okay, Bailey's he
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: claims that he's winning. Shocking, okay, yeah, somebody there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, and for those tracking reps, it does seem
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like Bailey's he's going sun.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: They read they said, sorry.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Drake made demoted already. What happened? My gosh, kid, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: kid uh. I am curious too. Though Javon Baker warmed
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: up last week, didn't really practice, I'm curious if he's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be participating much at all today.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like there's a few of those guys still.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: You mentioned Taki Taki. Yeah, Girod mentioned Lani Tavai as
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: someone that's a little bit banged up for this time
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: of year. So they're gonna be a couple of guys
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: that aren't going to be a full go.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like and then, and I know
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it's spring, and it's you know, we're in June here,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but just think with a rookie receiver loaded room, every
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: time you're missing reps, it's just it just isn't great.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: So I just love to see Baker up back out
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: there as a SAP.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: But I like that you mentioned that, dude, because I
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: feel like that's why Taekwon is where he is today,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Like he's just been hurt.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: All the Harry I mean, you know, like not to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: say that, like, you know, Nikhil Harry or Taekwon would
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: be off to a great career, you know, had they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: not gotten hurt early on. But it just it just
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't help. And the guys that, you know, like Jacobe
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Myers who was just always out there and just kept
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: stacking it day after day after day, and you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: earning the quarterbacks trust, earning the coaches trust. What do
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they always say, like, you know, availability Trump's ability, Like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that's you know, that's such a big thing. So hopefully
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Baker's able to get back out there, you know, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Polk's been out there. He's been out there plenty, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you know he's been one that has gotten plenty of reps.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to see a little bit more out
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: of Polk.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of the team drills.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: One of the big things you worried about him was
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: just speeding separation ability, and yeah, like his skill set
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: will probably shine a little bit more once the pads
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: come on and can be a little bit more physical
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and win at the catch point, but still with the
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: receiver when you're in non contact, non padded practices, you'd
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: like to see some flashes from him to be able
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: to get open and create some separation when guys can't
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: really get their hands on them or do much physically
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: right now, so he has been a little bit quiet.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I'm still thinking that he's probably more in that Jacobe
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Meyers school of training. Camp is not really gonna be
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: where he's gonna shine and then we're gonna get into
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the games and he's gonna make all these plays, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: we'll see.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a little bit. You know, he's in that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: rookie spot right now where there are veterans out there
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that are kind of taking the top reps. And you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you see Polk and Baker trying to develop that chemistry
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: with May but hard to kind of earn it with Brissett,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and limited opportunities you're kind of rotating through
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. You know. It just love to see him
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: get some consistent reps with one of the quarterback who
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: starts to, you know, play into what he's good at
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, find the spots that he likes to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: get the ball start to see some of that stuff.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But I'd love to see him outside too, like just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to see you know, all these guys, like you said earlier,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Evan are inside kind of receivers. I mean most of them.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well he can play outside, but most
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of them are inside guys, but him and I'd love
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to see them just you know, be able to get
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: outside a little bit, get off the line. I mean,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think Baker's movement skills have been I have made
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: an impression on Would you guys agree?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: You know, we have two practice fields in front of us,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and the one to our left has been totally devoted
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: to special teams so far. Would you agree that that's
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: something we haven't seen before, that they've devoted one field
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: to special teams for this long Yeah, lot of practice
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I mean they're kind of long. Yeah, they're kind of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: going through it. I mean they did kickoff. Now they're
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: doing punt. We'll see what they get into now. But no,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's a you know, pretty good observation list.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Like Gotcha does have his jersey on down there now too,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what with that the kickoff and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: roll the.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Time spent on the kickoff role will be interesting. Yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I feel like you have to devote a little bit
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: extra practice time this offseason to the kickoff role. Then
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: maybe that is why it was bleeding into the punt
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: period and why it lasted a little bit longer.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: And also special teams last year was not very good
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: at all, and so when you have a new rule,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: they weren't really that good last year. Plus all those
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: people that we talked about but aren't on special teams anymore. Yeah,
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I feel like you need to dedicate this time for
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: it and.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: The new special teams. Pointer Jeremy Springer, he's he's a
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: high energy guy. He's a high energy guy.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: So definitely energiz.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I met him in the spring at our coaches clinic
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and I asked him, I said, you know, whether at
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: any of your other stops, like how often do you
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: have to lobby for more time and practice like all
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the time, all the time? You know, So that's a
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: good indication that he might be winning those arguments.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: He looks a lot more in his element. I know
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: when we first met him back in like February, he
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: did not look like he was enjoying the local weather.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But now it seems like he's got his his big
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: son hat on and in his short so I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: he sees a little bit more in his happy place
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: now than he was in the winner.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I've yet to come across a special teams coach that
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: isn't a ball Avner.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I even cam Accord, for all of the faults, was
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: a firecracker on the field.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Coffee mainline.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: In order to be one of those guys that's in
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: the weeds like that on special teams, you have to
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: be a little bit of a nun.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I think you see some of the running backs doing
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: some footwork drills with the bad.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like this is a little bit of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a new thing too, where they throw some tunes on
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: when uh, you know, when they're getting ready to warm up.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: These kind of little team individual not individual team warm
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: up drills. A little easier to move when you gotta
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: beat right. Yeah, sure, keep it up, keep it but
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: again Baker, so Baker is here bringing up the rear
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in these wide receiver drills, which we'll see these sticks
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: than they did last week.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a good sign, Steve Belichick. I'm not I'm sorry
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: not Steve Brian Belichick.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Did have Steve here last week, right, did he was visiting? Yeah?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: He brought some of his uh fellow coaches from Washington
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: last Yeah. M hmm.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Watching the quarterback's throw, I still feel like this is
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: the best look that we're gonna get of Drake May's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: mechanics for a while.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And I do see some improvements.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna tell you that it's the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: world's difference, but you see his front arm is a
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: little bit more tucked in and it was when we
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: first got here. I think they've worked hard on that
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to try to shorten up the release in the whole emotion. Yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: and his footwork. I think it's been better than what
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of us expected it to be. Obviously, there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: no live pass rush yet, so we'll see. But you
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: can see the arm is more like wishbone now, whereas
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: before when he would come up open, his whole shoulders
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: and everything kind of shrug up together like that, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: it just created a much longer throwing motion. So you
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: can see some of the things that they're trying to
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: do to tighten it up just a little bit. You
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: don't want to tweak it too much because then you
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: get into a position where he can break completely if
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: you're messing with too many different elements of his throwing motion.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: But you definitely can see the little tweaks that they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: trying to make.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: So how long do you think it takes to develop
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: these good habits like completely, like get rid of the
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: old habits and then always do the.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Work I feel like you can do in an off season.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: But like I said, you want to start from the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: ground up, and that's what they're doing. They're working on
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: his feet first, to time up his feet, with his eyes,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: with the drop, with the routes that are being run.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: And the thing is like, it'll look good now, but
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the key is when it's real and it's pressure, does
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: he revert back to his old habits, which is what
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys do.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: They go back to what's comfortable under pressure.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, And I think if you start to mess
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: with too many different elements and one fell swoop, that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: when you also risk him just completely coming apart mechanically.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: So I like the fact that they're starting with the feet.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Let's focus on that and let's not worry so much
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: about the upper body yet, and then they'll get to
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: the upper body maybe next off season is the upper
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: body off season, you know, so you have to work
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: in almost stages because you don't want to just throw
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: it all at him at once because then he's got
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: a lot on his plate at that point.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And you know, honestly, though, when you look at mey,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: we're nitpicking. You know, it looks fine, you know, but
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: like you can always improve and if you can, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: get a split second faster release, then do it. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: if you can get your footwork, you know, your base
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit better, then do it. But when you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: look at him, he looks fine, but like I said,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: there's always room for improvement.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, last week he threw that interception where he threw
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: it over a guy's head and the corner is his
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: parked right behind him. Those are the plays that you
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: saw in U N see that you want to see
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and cut down on. And that's where the footwork comes
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: into it. It's more of a timing thing and a
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: rhythm thing than it is like his feet are jumbled
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: up or sloppy. So if you can get him synced up,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: then when you see it all come together, feet, eyes,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: throwing motion, all of it come together. He makes them
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: really pretty downfield throws. It just got to be a
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: little bit more concer.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: And so right now they're doing handoff run to the
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: right and then roll out to the left.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: This is a staple. Uh yeah, you see. I mean
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: even you go back to Green Bay days and you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: see them doing this drill with Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: this is it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: What I love about this drill is that you have
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the handoff exchange and then the coach is actually flipping
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: it to the quarterback and that's allowing him to make
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the throw. So this is all bootleg stuff. Yeah, all
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the bootlegs and all the moving pockets. So when we
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: talk about the offensive line, and I know everybody's concerned
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: about the offensive line, but especially with a quarterback like
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Drake who can move as well as he can, they're
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: going to move the pocket a ton on first and
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: second down. So you're not going to get into a
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: lot of first down situations in this offense where the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: quarterback's just going to be sitting there in the pocket
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: with the eleven guys coming after him. Right, you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be a lot more smoking mirrors and moving
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: pockets like this. And he's so good at throwing on
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the move, and he's so athletic that it's gonna fit
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: him really well.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys clocked it yet, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Julian Edelman is here. He's currently standing down to the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: goal line of the left field with Matthew Slater. I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: did not clock that. Yeah, he's Jewels talking talking to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Slater down there at the at the pylon at the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: goal line. So a lot of guys in town for what, Yeah,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: for Tom Brady Night. Yeah, production ceremony Wednesday night. Yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: we'll have that live on Patriots dot com. If you're
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: not going to be here in person, it'll actually Chad
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Graft from The Athletic had a little story about you
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: know what to look forward to. He had it starting
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: at seven. It's actually going to start around five thirty
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: on Patriots dot com with the red carpet, So we'll
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: be live, you know, five five thirty whenever that starts,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: all the way through until around nine thirty on Patriots
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: dot com, so you'll see everything. Oh yeah, so that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: gonna be pretty cool.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And and like I said, Edelman's here, and there's one hundred,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: like hundreds of players that are going to be here,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: plus some special guests.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be a great night.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Uh, whether you're here a watching it, UH streaming, You're
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: going to really enjoy this.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So can't wait. Can't wait.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: You can call our call or write in web radio
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com. Is the email eight five to five,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Patch five hundred is the ACE ticket hut line people
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: writing in already, Jared and Vermont. Do you think a
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: few veterans would have skipped these practices if Belichick were
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: still here? My feeling is yes. I wonder if having
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: a players coach like Mayo benefits management in the sense
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: that players may feel a little more obligated to do
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the coach a solid and not play hardball over contracts,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: at least in the early stages.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I think Evan spoke to that. I mean, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't know anybody who wants to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: give away money just to not comments. It's a lot
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: more about the hold in these days. I don't really
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: necessarily see guys as skipping on Bill. I mean, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: do think that there's a lot of value that this
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is a new coach with the new system, and you really,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you just you want to re establish the culture.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And I think they've done a great job this offseason
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of identifying those players and you know, extending bar More
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and Dugger and you know, really kind of re establishing
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a corps. So I don't know, I don't really see
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the candidates to that. We'll be like, now I'm not
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: showing up because these guys want to get paid. So
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Judon's here, I'm sure he's probably having talks
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes about, you know, wanting to get a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: bunch of money, and gotschall might be asking for that too.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: So the only way you can do that is you
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: come here without getting fined.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: You know, all fairness. Even with Bill that only happened
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: a couple times.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Like Duce said, it's been more pulled ins where guys come,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: they don't really participate, but they're here when they're looking
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: for a new contract.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: What was the thing with Guy? Was it last year
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: with Guy where like but he can't he was at
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: these right, like he came to these But then you
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: know it's it's more like Judon last year where you're like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: why is he not participating? Some days you know it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: just this weird stuff that you kind of notice.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: But yeah, and then as soon as he got that extension.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, right, I feel better and now he's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in there. And plus you have to balance these things
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: with you know, Jude On and Gotcha being two established
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: veterans that you know you should probably be taking strides
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: at this point in the season, not to put them
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in harms way. Valuable valuable guys.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Yep, there's a lot to be said for a lot
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: of new coaches on this staff. Even as a veteran player,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: you have to find a role under this regime. It's
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: a totally different regime, and you have to make sure
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: that you have a role still on this team. As
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: much as we all love Matthew Judon, there have been
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: trade conversations about Matthew Judon that we've heard rumors, yeah
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: that you know, maybe he could be somebody that is traded.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: So if he plays hardball, then that that could be
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: a possibility that opens the door a little bit more.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: We're worlds apart on contract here. You know, we're not
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: gonna we're not going to find a middle ground on
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: a deal. So this is what we're gonna do with Judon.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I don't think that there would have been any more
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: hold out.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: What would you guys, do with Judon, would you.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Know I get in two years? Yeah, I give him
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a bump this year, stend him in the next year.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I have a two year deal and give myself at
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: least the chance this offseason to really try to, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: fill that void that he's going to inevitably, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: get I mean, it's an important, important position. You know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I really do like Anthony Jennings, but I think he's
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you know, him and Uce are are part of a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: mosaic that you have to put together along the edge.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's not like Judah, where's He's a guy that you
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: can play three downs and you don't really have much
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: concerns about him so long term position.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: You worry a lot about their competitiveness as a team overall.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: If you take the Janga piece, that's Matthew Judon out
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: of the puzzle, and I understand that we're not necessarily
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: talking about them winning the Super Bowl or anything like that,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: but just having a team week in and week out
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: that has something to play for it is maybe a
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: starting point for this team right now. And if you
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: take Judon out of that pass rush, I just don't
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: know where you go from there. In terms of secondary
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: pass rush outside of Christian Barmore, it's just going to
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: be really tough. So I think they almost owe it
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: to themselves and owe it to the team to keep
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: jude On around at least till the trade deadline. If
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: it's if they're one and eight at the trade deadline
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: or something like that and some contender is offering you
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: something for Judon and you haven't reached that extension, then
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: maybe that's when you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: Entertained that I was gonna agree with.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: I'm like, we saw what happened when judonk got hurt
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: last year and how it kind of inflated the defense,
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: like on the field and also in the locker room.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: And then also you didn't draft anybody to develop under
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: behind him either, So now it's like you have to
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: keep him for at least another year or two.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: So hopefully you can drop someone next year, yeah, and
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: have them develop and then grow into someone.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: The last thing you hate is to see the defense,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: you know, regress. We want to at least keep it
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: at the level it was last year. Now I get
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: this is a tougher schedule this year, so you may
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: not get the point results that you had last year
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: where you were giving up yeah, you know, seven to
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: ten points. But you know, from a just performance, you
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: want to try to say, okay, defense is fine, let's
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: focus on the offense and you take june On out
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: of that mix, like like Eman said that Jenga piece
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and you know who knows what can happen well.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And also I mean I'll set it with an offense
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that can actually move the ball a little bit, you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, just go from the worst offense in the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: league that you know, isn't picking up first downs, is
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: putting the defense in arms way, isn't scoring points the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: defense is like, man, we got to score ourselves if
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to win. So I think as much as
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: you know the difficulty might increase with a tougher schedule,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you know, with a complimentary offense, it can help a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: lot of things. But you know, I think there's certainly
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: points to make on the defense of you know, turnover
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: kind of drop off. We talk about teams to force
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of fumbles being real tough. They weren't one
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of those teams last year. And I say that as
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a Jabrill Pepper super fan. But you know one name
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I would just throw out is is O'Shane him Andez,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: who you know, isn't experienced NFL guy. I think he
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: had six and a half sacks as a rookie with
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the Giants. He's kind of fought some injuries, he's been
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: a bit player. He's been more of a designated pass
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: rusher kind of guy with the Giants. But he's kind
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of to me that fourth guy after the Big three.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Does he have anything to offer? I mean six four
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: two fifty good size. I mean that's you know, what
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: they usually look for in one of those edge guys.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Without Jude on here, you haven't seen uche. Even Jennings
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: missed a couple of practices, you saw a lot of
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: him and as getting some opportunities. So he's just a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: guy I would. I would definitely I'm going to be
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: keeping an eye on here as we get into the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: summer to see if he has any kind of you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: pass rush juice. Even if he's just like he's going
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: right now watching him do a rep right now, even
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: if he's just like an oucha and and he's only
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: going to be a one trick pony, I think that's
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: a trick that they need more of.
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: Carrie writes in I must know where to Deuce get
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: the Patriots sunglasses from?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: And where can we get the Patriots pro shop? I
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: believe they are eight dollars because I lose sunglasses every
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: other day, so I don't invest in. I just get
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: cheap o's wherever I can. But we were saying maybe
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: we should get some pit vipers for the Content squad
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and training camp this year, you know, like if we
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: all had matching that you mean hard O glass, Parto glass, Yes, no,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: hard O heart O Content team glasses. Are they sponsors?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Are they? I don't think so? But we can talk
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: We should get some coach Prime some glasses, you know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: the ones that he wears.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, I like that we should be wearing.
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: Are they be dazzled now they're dazzled?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: They're not?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Do you like some be dazzled stuff? Uh?
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: You know what.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Do you or? Do you not?
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: beer sponsor of the New Eland Patriots. When you're bedazzling,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: you can have your bud Light.
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: What do we got going?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Comes to the owner, oh the st r KK taking
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: a trip out to r KK coming out to the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: field the boys, as I call him, Big Boss Man,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: big boss man. Fred is boss Man. He's big boss Yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: he's lower lower like the final boss Man. I'm a
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: little little boss man, little baby boss ah man.
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: So yeah, did anybody ask your rod about the refs.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they come out.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the refs are. The refs are here, the
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: reft here in town. And he said that he doesn't
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: want them to be afraid to throw flags. You want
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: them to be involved in practice. So we'll see some
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: of that. We see a chain gang. Don't know how
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: much longer we're going to be able to say that, right,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: So for the time being, we have a chain game.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, I like the lasers. I like that you
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: like a laser. I love it because it drives me nuts.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Micro chips the amount of times.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I see the ball spotted it correctly, and those inches matter,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: they do matter. When all of a sudden they put
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: the ball down and they know the first down marker
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: is like a foot ahead, and all you just see
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: the raptors pick the ball up and move it over
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: the first.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Down mark What are we doing killing us?
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: The first player that Robert Kraft greeted was Christian Gonzales.
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: There you go, goold pick could pick. It's a good
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: one who again looked like he's picked right up where
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: he left off.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Ah. Now, I'm not sure where where them guys are
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: right now? Where where zero and thirty one are the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: right right fun of us? He's got a red Oh yes,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a red calf.
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: That's it's a they're actually right next to each other.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't seen granted, the Patriots haven't necessarily had
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: the blue trip talent of a Christian zales In a
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: little bit, but just the way that he moves on
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: the practice field is so different and everybody else, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: it's always really fun to watch even him go through position.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I know, even when he's like playing offense, like when
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: they do draw together and he just has to give
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like a look. It's like, man, that guy, he looks
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: smooth doing anything.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: They were doing a red zone like goal one fade
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: drill and he one handed catched one in the corner
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: of the end zone and I was just like, maybe
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: you can play receiver.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, he's yeah, but he's incredible. But
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's we've seen throughout the spring. I mean,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: in granted it's a rookie ota in three veteran OTAs.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: But you see some of these where Alex Austin and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Marco Wilson kind of get the top reps. Not to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: say that that's what's happening right now necessarily, but it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: just does seem like they want to get a long
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: look at these guys as.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I'm excited about alex OUs same as Rodgers put it perfectly,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: he's an NFL player. Now we have to see what
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the ceiling is and that's what we'll get into this year.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: But his tape at the end of last year was
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: really solid. I think he's had a really good spring,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: and we've talked so much about the nickel spot. No,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Miles Bryant, Now, can you move Jonathan Jones back to
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: his natural position playing on the inside.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: That also might allow him.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: To quarterback the defense a little bit more too, maybe
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: play some safety by rotating back there. And you have
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Alex Austin and Christian Gonzalez to size speed guys on
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the outside that can go up against bigger receivers, different
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: body types. I'm intrigued by it. We'll see if he
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: can build on it. But he's been solid so far.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: I like his attitude a lot off the field. I
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: feel like he's a great person and he also I
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: feel like he listens a lot and he leans on
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: his veterans around him, and also Willie McGinnis obviously, and
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: she's really soaking and everything he can.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, him and Jalen Hawkins are the two guys, if
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: looking defensively, who might have roles that we get in
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: envision necessarily having huge roles coming into the season. Hawkins
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: has played something in the league in other spots, so
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: it's not like he's a complete afterthought or cast off
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: or something like that. You know, he has NFL starts
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: under his belt and passed in, so he could be
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: somebody that could factor into the deep safety conversation that
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: free safety.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Definitely a special teams guy too. When you talk about
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Cody Davis ain't here anymore, Like, yeah, you know, that's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy that could maybe speak on But
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: girod working here down with the defense right now, it
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: seems like a kind of working on sorting out route
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: distribution here.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've noticed him do this a little bit more
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: in recent practices. First couple of practices we saw him
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: out here floating around and bouncing around from station to station,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: and then maybe the last two I would say he's
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: been pretty much focused on being in the defensive huddle,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: which I feel like is where he's going to find
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: his home at the end of the day. I think
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: he's still trying to figure out where he belongs at
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: times on the field and let let avp and then
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: those guys do the offense and stick with your breading
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: butter on defense.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Brian Belichick down there, I don't know, I'm kind of
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: a body language guy.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: I'm sensing more confidence from him as a coach. Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean, Like he's like kind of
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: coming into his own.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: You know, Dad's not here anymore, but he's got this
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: job on his own, and I think he's kind of
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: embracing it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you know, they were working in the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: same spot last week when we were down close and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you could really just you know, hear him speaking to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: his guys, and I agree with you, Fred, I mean,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: he's you know, I mean, he's been around this stuff
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: for so long, and I remember, you guys have all
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: videos from probably two thousand and eight, two thousand and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: nine of Bill with young Brian on the sidelines. I mean,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: he's been in the thick of this for you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: as long as anybody, so he should be confident, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just an opportunity for him to continue to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: grow without you know, his dad and his brother around.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: And I just love the fact there's still a Belichick here.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I think that that's you know, just great, there's at
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: least one holdover that we can continue that legacy here.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Definitely more vocal than when I've seen him in the past,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and certainly with not just the safeties though, with the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: entire secondary and I undiced that last week to do
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: so we were sitting down there. You can hear him.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Talking and coaching, and I don't know necessarily if I've
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: heard that before right out of him kind of taking
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: a backseat to his brother, his dad.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been more involved. That's that's kind of what
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I mean. I'm it's great. I like it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: Looking over to our right, quarterbacks are working with wide receivers.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Another another kind of staple here of of OTAs
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: have been you know, kind of two quarterbacks at once.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: They'll switch sides, throwing each each side, and I mean
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's a fun drill just to kind of compare
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: wide receivers to each other, to have a move. You know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you get a little bit of a sample there with
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: kJ Osmore and Taekwon Thornton. But you know, yeah, so
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know it's you know, you watch Juju kind of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: round one off there. Yeah, but you know, I want
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: to see Baker. I think these are the kind of drills.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Where is he still up here? I don't know if
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: he is. I thank god I don't see him anymore.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, here goes Jalen Zappie and May we'll run into
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: each other, guys.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I know they're mirroring each other, but I did see
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and Dug Kide reported this number sixteen as a is
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a tryout player here today. You know, they continue to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: kind of churn the roster at wide receiver with undrafted rookies.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, they just brought in Jaquae Jackson. They brought
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: in David Wallace last week, who was a slot receiver
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: at rookie mini camp who I thought was kind of quick,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: but just interesting. They continue to kind of churn those
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: guys and watching Wallace right now. He does he's got
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that he's got that juke move pretty good. He's he's
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: got some quick feet. But it just seems like they
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: continue to try to turn the bottom of the roster
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: looking for anybody at that wide receiver position that you know,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: might have some kind of potential. Even though they drafted
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: guys and sign guys and you know, have some veteran
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: holdovers that might be on the bubble, they are taking
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a look at a lot of guys, you know, and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that's no different from any other years.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of movement in the bottom
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: of that roster. Right through training camp. You'll see guys
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: come and go. It's not a big deal.
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: Uh, it's you know, it's no indication that oh things
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: aren't right.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: No, you do this every year. Every year this happens. Yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: there's disappointed that something's going on with Javon Baker. Physically.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not been he's been limited the last two sessions,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: so that is obviously the mental rep.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Is the most important part.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's not good for him, but it's also
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: you know, it's fun for us to work.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well, he's just got he's got some live
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: wire legs that just you know, you didn't see that
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: he's got some juice to him. Then I'm not ready
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to say that none of the other guys have it,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but it's it's I'm not too far from saying that
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I like.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: I like his confidence too.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Like when you have a guy like that who can
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: what his actions meant met his words, it's really funny.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Funny to me. It's like, you know, and I said
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it when I spoke to uh, you know, his his
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: his coach, and he said, man, he's quiet. And nobody
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: had him being quiet on their bingo card after his
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: post draft press conference. But that's been the impression of
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the building too, that he's, you know, kind of just
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: a quiet, soft spoken kid.
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe he got you know, taken aback and thrown into
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a media call right after being selected in his car,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: but you know, I know that that he's so far
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it's who's eighty two? That's ah, yeah, Dutch Jaqui Jackson,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the new guy. He dropped the push ups. Yeah, he's
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a uh, he's a he's a Ruckers Ruckers, a Ruckers rookie.
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Guy got some sigh too.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: So that was one thing I thought was interesting about
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: that signing was and we've talked so much about who's
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: going to play on the outside in this offense, and
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: they will run a lot of condensed formations, so it's
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: not necessarily like they're going to have a true outside
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: X on every single play, but guys that have a
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: little bit more size to them. They don't have a
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: ton of those guys that are projected to make the
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: team right now.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's Doug Kyde reported the number sixteen is
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: rookie Rory Starkey Samford. He was here at Minigana to
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: get comes back. Any relation to Richard Starkey, I don't know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: aka Ringo, star.
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: Of the Beatles Beatles, no but distant cousin of Starsky
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  Speaker 3: of the New England Patriots. Well, you can see that
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at us now. So we had to turn
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  Speaker 3: away from the football field for period six. Sorry, how
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: many periods do we have?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Many many period You're gonna get to some team
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  Speaker 1: drills now though it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so we'll as best we can describe what we're
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  Speaker 8: watching without giving away any state secrets.
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  Speaker 4: I know we can't. The cameras are off now. But
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: this other camera that they have here is also something
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: new that I've noticed. It's a long camera, almost like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: a GoPro on a pole. Yeah, there's a coach that's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: standing right behind the offensive line of scrimmage that's getting
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: the end zone angle, but like really close up, and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I have to think that that's like a quarterback thing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: that They then go back into the film room after
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: practice and start comparing this drop to that drop to
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  Speaker 4: that drop and probably show you you Aaron Rodgers doing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: it the right way, and then you're doing it the wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you, though, that guy who's manning that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: camera is getting the best workout of anyone out there.
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  Speaker 8: He has to hustle to get into position.
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  Speaker 3: Uh you know, when they change up, he's he's you
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  Speaker 3: got to be in shape to have that job, I
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  Speaker 3: can tell you.
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  Speaker 1: So right now we've got for set under center. Yeah,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: set under center, and it looks like, you know, mostly
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: top end guys. Do you see Marco Wilson out there,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: you know, outside in lieu of Jonathan Jones, who I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: think is still recovering. Oh, drop ski by number eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Julian Edelman right on the sideline. Jewlie just shakes his
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  Speaker 1: head and take that number off.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like there were too many of those that
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: when that would just happen like it literally touching their
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: hands and just bouncing right out.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like good news. He ran the right route,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: making progress because he's settled inside those zone coverages off
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: the play action, which is what he's supposed to do. Uh.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: And then there's somebody flash right in front of his
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: face and I think that's what threw him off. But
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: they practiced that and heed to be able to catch that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah. So it's continue to see Isaiah
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  Speaker 1: Bolden there in the slot and some looks there and uh,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you know ray Kwai McMillan, who feels like he's been
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: on this team forever, maybe played like three games, but
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: it's some injury problems. They do seem like a nice
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: throw it a little late. Yeah, it's close to a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: practice sack if you ask me, but it is uh
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: still yeah, continuing to see Nick Leverett, Uh that right
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  Speaker 1: guard as well. He's he's such a wide body.
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder about some of the size of these
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: guys if they're gonna be truly a zone blocking team.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Judean's out there on the line, so he's piating into
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: the mix. David Andrews manning the center as he has
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  Speaker 3: for many years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Jalen Hawkins in the mixes haven't pointed
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  Speaker 1: out too. Got a third down here coming up? Yeah,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: there you go. There you go, hits Jalen Rager on.
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  Speaker 8: A little play there, the Rager with some space. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: yards after catch, we'll pay pretty good play.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we're seeing you know, key On White two
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  Speaker 1: in the mix here. I'm just curious what his year
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  Speaker 1: two looks like. He's of all these second year guys,
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  Speaker 1: he seems like one that really could make a difference.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they could use something out of him. I think that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, those third down plays are gonna be big
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  Speaker 4: for them though, or they're gonna have tight bunches, you know,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: three receiver bunches on one side of the formation. Then
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  Speaker 4: you have the backside X and you just run him
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  Speaker 4: across the trash and it's a long run for the
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  Speaker 4: corner to keep up with him. That was Gonza that
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: got beat there. Yeah, so you get guys like Rager, Taekwon,
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  Speaker 4: you know, guys that have some speed on those routes,
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  Speaker 4: and you're gonna have some rooms U r p O screen.
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  Speaker 1: Boom, not much there.
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  Speaker 4: Up the gauge screens. This time of year, you can't
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: actually block anybody.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Really can't move anyone out of the way. But if
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: we were going to judge that one, it wouldn't have
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: been good. That's a right though. I mean you do
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: like these periods though, because you see, you know some
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: of its depths. I mean, you know ninety seven was
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: that Tristan Tristan Hill. These guys, these defensive linemen getting
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  Speaker 1: plenty of reps without guy and gotcha in the mix.
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  Speaker 4: I want to run for Taekwon receiver Osborne Juju right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. That's outside zone. They're ready to
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  Speaker 1: see that.
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  Speaker 4: I think Antonio Gibson's fit in that scheme is really
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  Speaker 4: intriguing to me. The only guy that in that room
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  Speaker 4: not nothing against from Andre though, that has the speed.
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  Speaker 4: I think to get to the corner, which if you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: can't really respect the defense to respect that bounce to
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  Speaker 4: the outside in that scheme, that's what opens up the cutbacks,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: is that we can't get outside of you, so you
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: have to flow fast to the outside. If there's no
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  Speaker 4: threat there for the outside, then it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: awfully clogged up in the middle. And I think he's
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  Speaker 4: probably the best guy at it that they have on
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  Speaker 4: the team.
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  Speaker 1: Still extended to the sticks thirty ten, that would have been.
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  Speaker 3: A side arms it and incomplete. That was a That
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  Speaker 3: play was over anyway.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the that's the hang up for this offense
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  Speaker 4: right now. They had kJ Osborne here on the right
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  Speaker 4: hand side, one on one coverage on the back side.
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  Speaker 4: If they don't have somebody that can win on that
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  Speaker 4: route consistently on third down, it's gonna be awfully tough
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  Speaker 4: because then you're looking at AVP saying you have to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: steam everything open for us on third down. You're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to create somebody with separation schematically with the x's
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  Speaker 4: and no's. In Cleveland, he had Amari Cooper there in
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: that spot, and there's always some place that they can say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we got.
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  Speaker 1: One on one here.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Osborne had a nice release there, but he
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  Speaker 4: just couldn't create separation at the top of the road.
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  Speaker 1: I had some red zone works.
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  Speaker 3: So instead of like doing a few plays for each quarterback,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: it looks like they're simulating a series.
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  Speaker 8: And uh Brissett's still in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now he's going at it from about those twelve
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: yeahn so is that hasty? Yeah, another one of those
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: guys that just has a chance. They only got real
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: two running backs that seem secured on the death shart
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: to Michael Hasety, the two undrafted rookies and f Nings. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna get some carries.
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  Speaker 4: I still think that they're running back short, especially for
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: how much they're gonna want to run the ball in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: this offense. I wonder if the third, the true third
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: running back isn't on the team yet and it's one
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: of those veterans Zeke Elliott type of signings at some point.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, just a little fun here is uh,
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  Speaker 1: Michael and when you at right guard and Kayden Wallace
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  Speaker 1: at right tackle, So this is this is really to me,
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  Speaker 1: this is their best five. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Kdan Wallace playing his natural position at right tackle
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Big Mike at right guard his natural spot, Andrews City
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  Speaker 4: Chooks the corps for everybody's where they belong besides maybe chookes.
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  Speaker 4: But if you can build on this offensive line together
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  Speaker 4: and then you draft the top tackle in the draft
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  Speaker 4: next year at left tackles, then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: you have a full unit. I I just feel like
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  Speaker 4: this is where everybody fits most naturally. And then you
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  Speaker 4: figure out left tackle next off season. Unfortunately, but maybe you.
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  Speaker 1: Know chukes can can hold up at least a little bit.
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  Speaker 8: All right, we got here, They're down third down. Taekwon
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  Speaker 8: out wide.
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  Speaker 1: Pop in the slot. I was born to the left.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I'm looking Pop Douglas all day. Right here
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  Speaker 1: there it is boom. Yeah, he had to help inside.
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  Speaker 1: Nice grab. Who was that three? Yeah that was Pop?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: But he had as Evan said, he had him right
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  Speaker 1: off the right off the break. I mean it took
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: a little long to get rid of that. He had
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the window.
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  Speaker 3: Really nice nice catch by Douglas. Farm more doing a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: lot of pre snap movement on the line.
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  Speaker 7: June was like very vocal, like telling him more to
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  Speaker 7: move around and stuff too.
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  Speaker 1: He's now they're switching it up. Us up. It's like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: good which quarterbacks up? Is in the wheel? Drake May's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: hustling got the helmet scrapped up. Now they're fun really good.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: People are wondering where Paul Perillo is. He left to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: cover the w NBA so that you know, the originally
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: mini camp wasn't scheduled for today, so back in the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: UH a while ago. He signed up for a charitable
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: golf tournament today, so he's doing that, so.
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  Speaker 1: He'd rather be here, of course he was. We just
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: spend twenty minutes talking about special teams. Not sure about that.
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  Speaker 7: Also, I really like the music playing during this.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: We can't mention it. Yeah, no, we don't want any lawsuits,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: but I was all right. Drake May is behind center. Yeah,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: so polk Juju and Kaishan Booty at receiver and number
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: eighty seven that's not Matt Mitchell willco cross are there?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Mitchell will.
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  Speaker 8: A little underneath pass.
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  Speaker 1: Over the middle. Yeah, the goh and gun on this
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  Speaker 1: one though.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't put him under center like they did with
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: Jakobe to start to drive, so this one looks a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: little bit more like hurry up right now. He's now
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: he's on the center, of course, my actually sixty three god.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Check down. Yeah, I'll pack up and interesting, uh you know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Tony Maffi. That's another one of these like random roster developments.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Playing a lot of center. Yeah, it's all surprising. I mean,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Jake andrew is not sure where he's been.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: I don't really look at him as a center, Jake Andrews,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: but yeah, just center. You want somebody that is a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: little bit athletic. Yeah, because he kind of sets the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: pace for the entire line in the run game.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Yea booty in the slot.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he can't. He can't the red seats camp
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: fire for Drake, he's gonna go. Yeah, that's gonna be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: fun part of his game. I think that it gets
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit glossed over because of the all the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: other conversations with him. But he's mobile.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Two years ago at the UNC especially, he ran for
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: double digit touchdowns in that offense. But he's a mobile guy,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: and if you give him green grass third down and six,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: third down and seven, he's gonna be able to pick
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: those up easily and actually make some plays with his
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: leg as a runner. So I don't know how much
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: they're gonna want to do it by design. I don't
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: know if they're going to want to put that on
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: it on him early on, just a term of the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: wear and tear.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: But he can definitely move learn how to slide. All right,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: So we moved up here. What about the friend red
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  Speaker 1: Z eighteen or so?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, still may high red zone eighty seven.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah see now, okay, So we talked about it earlier,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: about old habits, and that's where I see his arm
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: got a little bit loose.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: He saw a little bit of that loop on the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: delivery that you don't need.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: And he he floated it a little bit. Yeah, that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: was he's gotta he doesn't need. He needs to be
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: tighter with that release and get rid of that loop.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Rather than miss like that. This long if you're gonna have,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: if you're long, you're not wrong. Yeah, second down. But
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of a lot of try hard guys.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: I could make it hard on him, right, she's.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: The bottom of the roster.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: Weaponry here, hasty check that I sort of flick out
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: to the sideline. Yeah, I mean this has been fine,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: Like to just see one like laser throw on time drop.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Not a ton of open targets out there. He missed
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: will Cox, will Cox also, I think could have gotten
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: out of that round a little bit cleaner.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: But that that's me defending the quarterback, like always see
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of gun though from Maya. Only one snap
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: on your center, Chod you on the outside, booty on
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the backside, batsnap pressure. Oh nice catch made he come
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: down with it, did catch it. I goes to the offense.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: That was a break fifty to fifty ball that who
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: thought was that's a headway? Yeah, Michael that way? Yeah yeah,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: so yeah, Drake may just put it up in the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: end zone. Petway was able to go up and grab
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: it away from the defender, but contested catch touchdown.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: It's also probably would have been a sack of the game.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: You don't have to talk about that. Yeah, that's not
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: his fault.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: That snap, too, is something the watch. I'm surprised, you know,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: the kid, Charles Turner, undrafted rookie, he's a he was center.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: L s U.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Surprised he can't get a Yeah me snaps maybe me too.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: I thought he had a chance as a UDFA, pretty
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: highly regarded Big Conference player. You know, sec guy made
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of starts.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Coaches, Yeah, coaches spoke really high of them. So that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: looks like that's going to conclude the eleven that eleven
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: on eleven portion, it's the offensive line retreats back to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: their corner.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: So that portion period six you only saw, uh right,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: May and Brissette getting.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Looks like we're gonna do sevens now, this is what
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: they've been doing. They do eleven on eleven period and
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: then we break into sevens and at the defensive linem
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: and go someplace else for a little bit. But I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: think for May, just in general, just do you miss
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: a few throws you know there I thought on the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: we talked about the one to Wilcox. But his eyes
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: are in the right places, which is intriguing, you know,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: like that's what I'm looking for this time of year.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Right now, as he's seeing it cleanly, and I thought
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: he did throughout that period. You you make that throw,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: it looks a little bit differently.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just I mean as far as watching practice,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: which we've done plenty of by this point, you know,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: he continues to intrigue me. I mean, he looks pretty comfortable.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Like again, I'd love to see couple like whoa, that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: was a that was a throw you.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Know, waiting on that probably made to Taekwon like one
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: of the first practice that was a pretty one. But
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: I think, what again, if his eyes are in the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: right place and he's on time on the throws, the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: accuracy and all that kind of stuff that we need
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: to pick him on that that stuff will come with repetitions, Yeah,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: and with practice and with NFL coaching. It's just it's
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: the mental stuff that you worry about with young quarterbacks,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: like are their eyes in the light right places? Is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: their their drops sync to the route? You know, those
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: types of things. If he's not doing that consistently, that's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: when it can really snowball on him and turnovers happen
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: and things like that.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: He's going to miss some throws.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: Eight five five past five hundred is the ace ticket houtline.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Nathan and Tampa. Nathan, you're still there, yes, sir, well,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: thanks for holding on.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Yees, they're I just got a quick question kind of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: about cleaning wall future.
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  Speaker 4: So say, aypothetically the left side goes pretty bad stick.
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  Speaker 7: Here and.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: They want to show with the best not available, where
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: does that.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: If they had him on the left side this year
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: and then now.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: You're you know, where where does he go from there. Yeah, well,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I would just say I I mean, the last couple
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of practices he's been working at right tackle, so yeah, uh,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's not a problem. I mean, maybe
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: they do need a left tackle still and Kid Wallace
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: is your right tackle the future and when he's gonna
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: you know, go back to right guard, which I think
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of us still think that that he's ideal
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: fit there, but it's it's a good question. Something will
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: be monitoring every practice where he's lining up. But think
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: what evan. The first two practices we saw him get
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: some reps that left tackle lower level, and we haven't
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: really seen that now. He's been on the right side
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: most recently on those you know, first team reps down
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: the red zone where he gots thanks to the problem
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: with the first team.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I just feel like again, and we talked
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: about this when they went with that line that had
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: on when who had guard and Kid Wallace at right tackle.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: But you talked about building for the future and not
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: just focusing on the twenty twenty four season. Candaon Wallace
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: playing right tackle, maybe finding himself a starting role there
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: and then he draft a left tackle, It just makes
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: a lot more sense than trying to shoehorn him him
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: into being a left tackle when he's really not a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: left tackle. I would just much rather see them go
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: the developmental route for the future, to the callers point
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: of this is your position, and then we'll worry about
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: left tackle when we draft Kelvin Banks. See, maybe it's
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: a little bit late to that one, and that's what
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see right throw it on time,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: throw it when it's meant to be thrown. And if
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: it's a little bit off with the accuracy, they can
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: fix that. They can fine tune that, but you don't
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: want him to be late, to think.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: Sean and Vancouver writes in Drake May should start when
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: the team is ready for him to start.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: It needs to be ready to play.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: But there can't be a turnstile at left tackle that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: makes it impossible for him to perform and possibly get hurt.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not confident that Wallace can.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Make the switch from right too, and a corp for
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: it lost his job last season at Pittsburgh get right tackle.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: There are no real NFL left tack on the Patriot's
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: current roster. Yes, May needs to be challenged and he
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: needs the experience, but without an ounce of protection, it
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: would be a waste of time.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: All right, I'll see you in twenty twenty nine. From
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: side that it's ready for him to play. I just like,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: how long are we gonna wait or we're gonna just
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: keep pushing kicking the can down the road because the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: rest of the thing isn't ready. I just what other
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: quarterback has had that benefit? Did they say in Miami
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: like to sorry, you know, we don't have an offensive line,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: so we're just not going to play you.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: For two years. Like, you just can't go about it
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: that way, But you can't wait till the offense is
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: perfect and every piece is in place. And by the way,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett, you're fine to be out get killed.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: And I totally get what the Everyboddy's point is with that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: And I'm not telling you that he has to start
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: right away and be thrown into the fire either, but
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: at some point he's gonna have to play.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well on time, just not on that guy wasn't open.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you see, you know he's attacking the one
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: on one. So there's really no with the corner playing trail,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: there's there's no real threat to that being a turnover.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: So you just throw the ball up and you give
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: your guy a chance. And those are the types of plays.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately for this team you might see a lot of
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: with guys, you know, guy decent coverage.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was downfield and certainly the ball had
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: the distance, it wasn't short. The only person who could
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: have made the catch was the offense.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: It's good covers, sappy times.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Most interesting Patriots fan in the world, James Pettigrew writes
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: in I've been hearing a lot about left foot forward
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: rhythm and hitches. Do you think Mac would have have
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: fit as a quarterback with this new system and coaches
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: or did he lack the raw talent? How much better
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: could he have looked in the A VP system.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: I don't really think it's a system for him and
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: that and that's not to say that there isn't a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: system that exists that Mac Jones thrives in. But this
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: offense is a lot less mentally on the quarterback, and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: it's a lot more downfield throws, especially off of moving pockets.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: Dasking Mac Jones that hit a deep over forty yards
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: down the field from a bootleg, I don't think that
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: that's really the offense for him. There are some West
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Coast elements that maybe would have fit him in, like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: the third down hurry up, that's more timing based, that
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: would have worked, But their early down offense is so
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: heavily involved with the deep throws down the field. I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: just don't know if that necessarily would have been a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: great fit for him.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: Bailey ZAPPI in there now.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Did you get a load of Teamian Harris fred No?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Oh what he said?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: Yeahs not holding back.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: No, No, I had to talk with Paul. I mean,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: probably best safe for when Paul was here. But I mean,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I think everybody is aware that Damien Harris and Mac
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Jones were best friends.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my initial reaction to it, as well
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: as Damien Harris is very clearly a NAC Jones guy,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: so I have to put that green and there. But
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: we were talking about it on the way up here.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: Do so nothing you said was wrong he was. He
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: was pretty spot on about what he said, you know
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: about the offense. Yeah, in twenty twenty two, and it
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: was funny though I went back.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: I just uh, you know, for the last couple of years,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I just kept notes after every training camp practice, you know,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: just generally what happened impression, and yeah, it was bad.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: It was bad. And I remember somebody wrote into PU
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: recently saying how depressed I was in Vegas, And I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: didn't really remember being depressed in Vegas, but that first day,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: like I looked at my notes and it was like
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: it was terrible all day until that last two minute
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: drive that they had where they did actually score, but
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: otherwise they did nothing. So I think that's you look
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: back and it's like it was just staring you right
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: in the face the whole time. And as much as
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I just didn't want to believe it, you know, you
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: didn't want to believe it, but.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: It was future. It was a really bad summer, yeah,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: for that offense. And there was never buy in. There
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: was never confidence in what they were trying to do.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: It always felt forced and like the players at the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: podiums were trying to sell themselves that this is going
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: to work, you know, just because they have to do
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: it and you know, this is what the situation is.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: And it just never felt right.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think other NFL teams complete as many
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: passes in practice to their running backs as the Patriots
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: too over the last like three years, Because I just
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: feel like seventy percent of all are thrown like check
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: down to the running back.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I wonder if this is something that we might
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: not have full context.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Going through progressions and then just throwing it to the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: last guy.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I try to tell myself too. But
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, some of.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: It might be that we're going to go one, two, three,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: and where I just don't just dump it off. But
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: the most important thing is just to get the feel
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: of going through the progression.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right, moving to period eight rallying here, Still no
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: reps for Joe Milton.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: We were talking earlier in the show about how Zappi
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: is the lock to be the odd man out. I'm
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: not hundred percent convinced about that just yet. I'm gonna
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: have to see something from Joe Milton in the preseason
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: games to really be ye.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I mean he's I mean, did he take any last week?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean a couple of maybe seven on seven.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he missed that one practice for whatever reason.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: They're doing a leverage drill right now, open field tackling
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: drill without being able to.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: Tackle, yeah, no contact, Yeah, just to be clear.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I'm just.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Not convinced yet.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: That if you had to throw somebody into an NFL game,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: I'm throwing Zappian before I'm throwing Joe Milton in right
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: now based off of.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: What we've seen in these practices.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm just had one hundred percent convinced yet that
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: that's a Yes, they drafted him, but it was a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: late sixth round pick. If he doesn't do anything in
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: the preseason games's practice squad candidate. Is someone really going
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: to put in a claim on Joe Milton unless he
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: lights it up in the preseason.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening. It's got a big arm.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: The tough drill for the defense on this one, it's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: basically you're trying to do a flag football move here.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Look oh yeah, you're just.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Working on the leverage, yeah, of funneling to your help
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: if you're the defensive player. So whether it's the sideline,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: you're trying to use the sideline as an extra defender,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: or you have you know, team meeting coming back the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: other way, you're just trying to angle the guy the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: right way that you want him to go. They usue
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: this drill with Bill all the time.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need this drill in flag football. So I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: need eleven year olds don't really grasp the concept of
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: the leverage.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 8: Paul wants to know one of the odds. The Patriots
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: signed a veteran left tackle.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: How good, Bob, Yeah, very I think their veteran left
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: tackles chooks a corps for I know everybody wants it
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: to be a better player or more natural left tackle,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: but they have signed a veteran left tackle in their mind,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: and that's who it is.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the great experiment because it doesn't really seem
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: like anybody else is really close at this point. Yeah,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: because you've seen like Calvini Anderson back over there getting
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: some rap. He's an interesting one.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: I still I don't know when you go through what
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: he went through with his health and all that, that's
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: really difficult to then make yourself back into an NFL
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: player after that. But he's got the athleticism for this offense,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: and you do wonder if he can get himself mentically
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: and physically together, if he could make a push.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had the call. That's so they don't
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: have an NFL left tackle he I mean, Calvin Erst
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: has probably played the most left tackle snaps of anybody
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: on the roster. I mean he has I don't know.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: I want to say he's got at least a dozen games.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he started I think seven in his last year
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: in Denver, and it was it was the back end
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: of the schedule and he played down the stretch for them,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: and I think he missed a few games at the end,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: so it might have been more like a middle type thing.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: But he definitely does in terms of natural left tackle
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: snaps for sure.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: All Right, he had a seven on seven like red
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: zone sevens seventies given Taekwon as many chances as it
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: can two, three and eleven for set a quarterback boy, Yeah,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: round page with Taekwon. That was a throw to No One.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: He broke the old pomp broke.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacoby thought he should have broken out. I'm gonna
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: go with Jacoby on this one.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, look, I'm not going to kill
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: the guy for two plays, but like you know, these
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: are the plays we talked about with him. With some momentum,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: he's got to drop. He's got a miscommunication. Like all
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: these little things kind of add up.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: This is what he's been, This is this is who
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: he is. You see his speed. It plays, but it
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: just isn't consistent.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Almost a nice set showing up the seam, could not
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: quite connect with Austin Hooper. Coverage by Gonzo all over him.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: House Hunter Henry looked pretty good.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a couple of catches and sevens. Yeah,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: it's just been mister Hunter Henry, you know, mister reliable,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: always in the right spots and always confident. He did
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: pretty well in the one of the few guys I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: thought last week that stood out in the red zone
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: drills offensively, just consistent.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, great resigning and it's just no brainer to
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: bring him back considering the other options out there. We'll
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: see Hoop Hooper's going to bring, you know, a few
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: years now. I'm looking for that second tight end to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: kind of offer some complimentary play. Just didn't get it
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: out of John U or GASICKI.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: I gotta say, guys, this little drill is and instilling
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: a lot of confidence.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: In the offense. No. Seven on seven is a little
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: balls hit in the ground.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got three straight in completions now and two
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: to Austin Hooper. He has been getting some one on
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: one coverage and they've been tilting it a little bit
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: towards Hunter Henry here in the red zone and I've
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: been trying to get it to Hooper and it is
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: not on. Well, this is why I know I keep
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: harping this. But they're not going to be an offense.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think in these type spaces that are going
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: to create a lot of immediate separation.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: So they just have a quarterback back there.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: That can extend the play and can be a threat
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: with his legs a little bit. I just feel like
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: it would be such a benefit to them.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice route there by Jalen Polk. Yeah, and that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: ball was right on target.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 8: It was really nice passed by the next set.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: That's the that's what you want to see from Jalen Polk.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Those are the routes that I feel like he's gonna
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: be really good onto those quick speed outs.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good play there.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: It's like Javon Baker's watching. Yeah, this guy's helmet, but
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: it's too bad.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: Of the nice past the opposite side by.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 10: Him.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: It's got those quick outs, Yeah, quick out of the
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: taekwon there and could uh good catch by him, got
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: his feet in so he looked quick there eleven and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: we're back in.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: We're back here.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: No, but I mean he does have that talent that
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: you know, there's just a not a ton of guys
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: out here with with elite speed or elite explosion and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: and he's definitely one of them in the right moments.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: It always stands out this time of year with him
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: and the speed it is all that package is there
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: and in this offense, there's a role for that. But
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: if he's not more consistent with it.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of people complimenting your glasses. Andrew in
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 8: La says, you're looking like mister big shot Hollywood producer
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 8: in that high back share with your cool shades on.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 8: Does your chair have your name on the back of it?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: Du Yeah, they're complimenting his glasses.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: This is a cheap mask glus.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: But to me it's the polo.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: No really, I know it's it's nice North Carolina colors.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I didn't even think of that. To Drake
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: never again match Paul last week with his yeah, what
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: was up with that?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: Is this kid going there or something like?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: It's the whole story. He just loves Drake Ma so much.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I was the one that.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Was well last year was l s U Right, he
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: does have an l follow He was but it was
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: head to toe and from.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: His illustrious travels.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: Drake may Oh Paul has sports clothing like gr animals,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: you know, like he does wherever he picks it up right.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, to be fair, though, he did go a lot
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: on a lot of school trips.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah with his son. Yeah, was that rager that he'd gone. Yes,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: it was nice to go by the drake. He's got
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: some zip man, he steps into it. That's what's just
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: so nice. Like I think with Mac the last couple
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: of years, like every kind of throw he made in
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the back of your head, you're like.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: Was that a hardrow?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: He's got a good arm, Like you're always kind of questioning,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: and like it's nice to not to think about that.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: Even the one he threw earlier in the back of
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: the end zone right there, we can just wrap it up.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: He made that one look easy waste and everybody's tend
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: to eighty eight for a tuddy. That was the rookie
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: jem belt. There was a lot of traffic there. If
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: that was too low.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: I've seen him make that throw at North Carolina one
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: hundred times. That's his up the seams, anything between the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: numbers where he can just rip it. That's his bread
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: and butter right there. Yeah, it's just it's so natural
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: for him to read the middle of the field. Out
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: of all the quarterbacks that I've watched over the last
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: four or five years, his ability to read the middle
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: of the field and make throws like layered throws like
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: that one with little anticipation. He's one of the best
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen at in college.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 8: And would you agree that Mack had trouble with those.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: In terms of our talenty? Yeah, tough for man.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: Yep, all right, Mac, nice route, Sean Boody all right,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: looking better now?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Why nice period for Mac? Joe, Sorry, he.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: Has a chance to make the roster.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: Mac Drake may the boy the booty, Yeah, he's on
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: my bubble.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: I think booty bubble. I think booty, Yeah, good booty.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Taekwon and Jalen Rager and I guess you could throw
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Juju in there too, are kind of all in this
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: this one big bubble wide receiver.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: I couldn't have them all like in the same line, though.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: I feel like there's a tear even in the bubble.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: Probably a little bit. And I think kJ Osborne is
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: like on the top of the bubble.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe you know.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Zappia look, look right, then came back to the middle
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: and zipped it in to the end zone.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Nice nice pass by zap Now they, I mean, it's
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: a really interesting point Tamara about just that whole wide
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: receiver group, like how does it all play out and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: does one guy get hurt or you know Seven's point,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: how long does it take Born to get back? Like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: what are they thinking with him? And even guys like Booty,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's still got practice squad eligibility, you know
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: they But to me, the big questions are are eleven
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and seven. You know, two guys that it's wild that
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: you've invested in draft picks.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: The highest paid receiver on this team, and he's the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: biggest question was he's the biggest If money was not
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: an object, he doesn't make the roster. The only way
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: he's on this team is is because they don't want
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: to eat the dead cap and.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: Money was not an object, he'd be already gone with.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean to be you know, totally honest,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Like I know we said he was much more healthy,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Like I don't really see him moving much different than
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: he did before. He's let me ask the purpose strider. Okay,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: he's not a likes you know.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: He's not Pittsburgh Juju anymore.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: That's definitely gone.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: That's what Polk's gonna do, right, I mean, the hands
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: are on display there. You just throw it to him
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: and he might look covered, but he's he's got excellent hands.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what that was. That was Washington, Julie.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: And that was a good throw by Zappy. Yeah, yep.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Some of the seven stuff's a little late, but yeah,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: ball needed to be zipped in and he did it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: A couple of catches here for Polk, probably his most
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: noticeable practice, but that catch right there at the back
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: of the end zone, that's the vintage Jalen Polk right there.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Good size.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: Head coach Gerrod Mayo bringing the team.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: In probably an hour and twenty in, we already done.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? I don't know.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: Well, sometimes they bring it in, then they go out
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: and do a few more things. Let's see what's going
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: on here, quick talk. Whatever it was, doesn't look anyone's
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: in a hurry to leave, so they're probably go to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: do another period period ten.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Some words of wisdom from the head coach here as
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: we maybe trying to ramp up the intensity a little
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: bit here. It seems like it's gonna be uh some
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: eleven's work again here.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: So now the refs are here, Okay have they been?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 8: They haven't been calling anything yet, right.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: I saw one flag over digit my off side, I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: think it was. But this seems like we're as live
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: as we can be this time of year as well.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: We're maybe that huddle was.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: About let's pick it up.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: No music, all right, there's my music? Come on, yeah
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: there it is nice kidding. Let's see who comes out
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: here from the office. Right, all right, so a little
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: flayer for the d I know, no got cha out there,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: but does seem a little bit more down. We're set
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: in there, eleven on eleven I think gets excited to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: see Marty mop who play some linebacker snaps here? All right,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: so we got there. We're going like hurry up here.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: This seems probably like any game situation. Defense really trying
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: to rush the passer. We have multiple free safeties out
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: there with mo.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, we're trying to I wasn't sure if they were
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: letting them catch it just yet, you know, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Now, now if you guys are running this practice in
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: this period in particular, would you run your sideline the
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: way you do in a game, in other words, get
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: guys used to being off the field, you know they
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: would in a game.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're able to switch personnel, I mean, I
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: don't know if this drill, if they're if they're you know,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: able to rotate guys in and out or not. But yeah,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I think anytime you're trying to do this stuff,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: I mean i'd be trying to do in game situation.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that's what it's always should be
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: geared towards.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 11: But there's no way this much the throw Oh yeah, sure,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 11: drop ugly ugly, ugly rep off the shoulder pads who
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 11: was a Douglas Y.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Really late, I mean hard to know. I mean
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: it's just I know we're early.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: I know we're early, But at some point I gotta
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: give Drake some reps against the first team defense and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: see what he does. Because last seven on seven period
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: he kind of lit it up a little bit.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: He wasn'tgainst the first team at least once.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: I just these periods, he's full eleven on elevens. I'm
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: not saying it has to be this extended. Period of
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: time that he gets twenty reps against the first team defense.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: But I'd like to see a couple because this is
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: just I mean, this is not so.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: Close behind picked up in the air and almost picked
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: off by It looks like Duggar.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was Christian Gonzalez had the initial cut Ridge
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: on kJ board Osborne.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah that ball was late, nothing doing nothing doing on offense.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 8: Let's themlazarre calling for Drake man.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: I've been calling for Drake masonce A falling on deaf
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: ears man.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I just want to see what it looks like. That's it.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: It's not It's not to say that he's gonna start
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Week one because we gave him ten reps in practice
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: Q the ones.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Drake was standing over next to eight.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: He certainly has more tread on the tire than Brissett
• 1:39:30
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• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Gotta get those tires ready for the summer. I got
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: to get few tires asphalt, you know, what's that I
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: need a new times that's a whoa whoa, whoa whoa Okay, okay, okay,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: and I think he can give it to him, so
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: catch by Douglas, but that would have been a sack. Bye.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: There's definitely this is what we've seen in eleven on
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: eleven's the pressure. There's just been some run throughs again
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: here today that counted maybe three or four what Chakoiber
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: said so far that in a game that's at least
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: a pressure, a quarterback hit, if not a sack.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: And Bentley just came through.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: It's kind of hard to tell when it happens as fast,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: you know, how how he came through, But he'd looked
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: untouched if he asked me.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't really touch himself, tagging him off. All right,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: So we got ten is in now, and we got
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: some backups on defense.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: Yeahah, you got you know, you can see Juju pol
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: Antonio Gibson's with him.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so at least some guys that he can. But
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: we're more concerned about who he's going up against.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and Rager. I mean, these are guys that
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: they're probably gonna be around here though, So at least
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: he's got some guys that throw to this time. Sometimes
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: they throw them out there with like Kawan Baker and
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: I'm like, good dude, guys, some favorites pressure. Yeah, that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: was ninety three.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: That's your guy ninety three around Wallace, Marcellus Wallace, Yeah, yes,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Marcus Covingston calling the place. Did you guys say you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: saw Steve Belchick here? Ago, No, no, No, I mis spoke.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: It was Brian Jewels Jewels out there.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: Jewels does not strike me as the guy that wants
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: to coach.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Enjoy life weights podcasting. It's too fun.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: It's a lot easier in acting acting too.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, right, Jake Man, Okay, caught it, but man, that's
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 12: closing in around him quick.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: But I that was a good release for that situation.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 7: Gonna say that.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: I was gonna say like and not trying to compare
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: him to Mac, but Mac in that situation he panicked.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Drake, I just checked broken play. The pressure is
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: not been good in this team period here. So we
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: had a couple of rookies here on the on the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: right side of the lane line with Leydon Robinson and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: King Wallace.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: In their defense and Fred you mentioned this a few times.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: You're not actually blocking guys right now. This is like
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: setting up pick in basketball. Basically, you're just kind of
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: getting in the way as best as you can.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: I it's it's I mean, they're at a disadvantage of
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: speed kills here pick blitz pick up by Gibson. There
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: you go. I looked like a play eighty three. A
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: couple of cross rigers cross cut some balls today day.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: I think him and him and Douglas probably been the
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: most involved. Yeah.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: A couple of nice catches for Jalen Polk. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: I would agree Rager who had a few in that
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: glass reds.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: So some guys that you wanted to hear about that.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: That made a couple of plays, all right, chake me
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: back up. Yeah, Rager and Polk on the outside, you're
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: doing the slot, give some of the backfield. Wilcox tight
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: and left. Yeah, down the field, there's just no place
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: to throw.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of a push off on the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: offense to boot, but yeah, that had no shot.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like I don't know, it just seemed
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: like you kind of threw that one. Really.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: He was trying to throw up back shoulder and those
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: are low percentage, but for both sides, Like that's not
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: going to be a turnover to just give a guy
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: a chance to make a play on it.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Mikey Victor holding up there at left corner. I haven't
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: called his name yet today. Juju wearing football pants. Yeah,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: he practices in football pants.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I've noticed that with him.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Good support, right, yeah, Jake, I still going that way.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: They got that underneath stuff going.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: The theme of the last few camps.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: There working on protections up front. You can tell that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: the extra guy coming up block and they're running back
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: is a sign to him. I wish we could see
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: Antonio Gibson out of the backfield, but right now he's
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: been in blitz.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Pick up a lot, there go, there you go when
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: you will receive fast to the flat short game now
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: he's good. You're right though. It's probably a good mailback
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: question for some running backs out there, like last year
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: with Zeke that. Yeah, it's got to be a camp
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: full of veteran guys that can play that are just
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: kind of waiting. Seems like that happens every year now.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: So what kind of back would you like?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: Probably an early down guy, like a truer, you know,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: Seeke Elliot type to backup Formandre Gibbs is gonna play
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: a lot, but it's it's that rex Burg head role.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: So perfect?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 8: Is that Remandre back there with him right now?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: That is thirty nine? I think that pressure? Yeah, oh
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: into a party.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, a lot of whistles like the rough calm timeout
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 10: or something.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Oh that's thirty nine okay, yeah pressure. Oh yeah, I
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: mean that's you know, hasty, him and Kevin Harris, they've
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: they've been involved a little bit, so I.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: Might get some ZAPPI reps. Now warming up the old arm? Yeah,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: that was a say that.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: Like he's like twenty seven years old, twenty.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Eight years old.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Just warm it up my arm. I'm in that commercial
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: with Cam Newton. Now was it Cam Newton?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: That?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it just warming up my arm? It is?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: What are we supposed to go to too? Is that what's? Yeah?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: I would say, uh, now, this is kind of how
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: it's looked for the offense. Soom you know, the clunkiness.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: It's just not a lot of this sharp downfield execution
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: and there's no.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: You know, you watch these highlights from the other teams
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 8: and they have that star wide receiver who you know
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 8: once at least once a practice makes that big catch,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 8: you know, and we're not seeing that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 6: But I thought a lot of those other teams are
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: not installing a new offense and at.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: All these rookies.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's the great like debate of all
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: these things, Like and it happens every year when you get.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: Oh and Zappi took Dougart just stepped in front of
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: that pass, took it for six.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: That was an extremely smooth looking play by Kyle Duggart. Yeah,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: he just made it look that that was like he
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: was riding a bike.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: He baited him into that the whole way. Yeah, jeez,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: it's like Gonzales there. But back to the point, like
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: that's every year when we get into training camp and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: you know, look, most of the time, the defense is
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: going to be ahead of the offense and you know,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: you can't really run, so you you're watching run periods,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: but the defense is kind of owning it. You know.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: It's so and like you said, there's it's a new offense,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: there's new pieces, and you know it's a I always
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: err on that side of It's it's harder to get
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: an offense off the ground than it is for the defense,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: especially one Milton a bunch of new guys returning to
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: hop in there and you know, make life miserable, especially
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: when you have aggressive play callers like the Patriots defensive
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: coaches have been Joe Milton alert. But at a certain
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: point you've got to see some plays like just you
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: got to see some execution downfield. You've got to see
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: some some moments of guys shaking loose and the quarterback
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: hitting them and stride. Those moments have been few.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: It's been tough where the the actual scheme stuff like
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: hitting it on time, and I just feel like with
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: this offense right now, with I think Fred's points, the
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: best one is if you don't have those receivers that
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: in structure are just going to get open on their
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: own and create those plays, then the quarterback is the
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: one that has to end up being the athlete or
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: the elevator, I guess is the better way of putting
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: it of it all and I just don't see that
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: with Er said, it's not that he's terrible or anything
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: like that, it's just it's just vanilla. It just is
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: what it is. And if guys aren't getting open and
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: it's not hitting on time, there's no imagination to it.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: There's there's no extra added bonuses to it, and I
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: think that's gonna that's gonna be tough.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Well, two good throws from Joe Milton and that one
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: was a little hot and just almost killed somebody on
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the sideline.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but is there a chance that they pick up
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: one of these star Wars wide receivers who is in
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: a contract.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it's it's it's takes more than
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: money at this point. You know, you've got to give
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: up an asset, probably, I would think, And uh yeah,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: you know they I don't know if they'd be willing
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: to give up like a next year, you know, top
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: draft pick, but I wouldn't rule it out.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. But you know, here's the thing.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever too soon for the quarterback,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: but I could see where if you've got a young quarterback,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: it might be too soon for you know, a veteran
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: wide receiver who let's say you sign him to a
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: two year deal and it takes three years for your
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: offense to go and now you've got to pay him again.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: It's because of the money that it might be too
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: soon for that high end veteran wide receiver.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: I definitely you have a guy like, for example, JJ
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: is gonna look so good because he has such a
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: great wide receiver right inside of him.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: So it's like, but they've already got him, you know.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: I definitely think it depends as a really nice throw
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: by there deep out to who's that eighty two?
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that Baker.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: That's the arm talent that you see from him. You know,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: you're throwing from the middle of the field, he gets
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: it all the way out on the deep out. That's
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: that's not a throw you were seeing the quarterbacks here
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: make last last summer.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Let me put you that way. That's a That's an
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: NFL throw.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: I do just wonder though, if one of those guys
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: gets sitting out waiting for this contract, isn't.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: Going to get it.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: I know, well, you know, and you know, as I
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: think about it, like if they made a run at
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: let's say, Brandon Ayuk and they got them to me,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: that tells me they're ready to go with Drake May
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: Like why bring in Ayuk if you're going to just
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: have Jacoby for set up?
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I've got.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: My eyes on the Bengal simply because like they're going
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 6: to get that deal done with Jamar Chase, Like I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: have no doubt in my mind about that.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: But T Higgins, are you gonna be able to do both?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: And these guys aren't holding in, they're holding out, they're
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: not coming.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, I think that there's an element of
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: it where there's tears the receivers that you would be acquiring,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: and I just I want to see the young guys
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: play a little bit on offense, Polk Baker and what
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: do you have in those guys? If you are going
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: to be able to go out and get to Brandon Nayuk,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: that's a different story. But I think that there are
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: tiers to it that I would maybe say, let's wait
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: a year and let's see what we have with the
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: young guys, And maybe it's a Houston Texans situation where
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: Nico Collins comes out of nowhere and Tank Dell's a
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Day two pick, and then you add Stefan Diggs to
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: it now instead of doing it before because you lose
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: reps for those guys, You start burying guys and then
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: you never actually get to see what it is. Are
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: you to me as Tier one receiver in the entire league.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: So I would go and get him in a heartbeat.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: But guy like T Higgins, like, I'm not crazy about
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: about it yet. I just I don't necessarily view him
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: on that same level as some of those other guys.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: Chad Ryland made it doing some field goal kicking now,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: which usually indicates at least the practice is coming close
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: to an end.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Who's going leg for leg with slide, Joey slide. He's
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: a hooky.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, we were to school together. He has no
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: idea who I am.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: You can't, you can't be serious. He doesn't know who to.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: Ma who, but he was our kicker the entire time.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: When was that school?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: T Brown right through the upright.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: The real TV?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean you knows as much as things
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: are you know different around here. I mean generally feels
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: like the pactice structure is is not that crazy. It's like,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it's individual periods. We come together for a team.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: Looser though, yeah, not as like rigid for me.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Oh that's under that, that's what right? Wish?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 10: What is he?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: What is he like? It's like thirty seven yards no ways, yeah, yeah,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: thirty seven that first one from Ryland almost looked like
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: it was out of steam.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: Sly sure if that was that good, it's good. We
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 8: always look at the the ohs, the holder, Oh, they're
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 8: all half five. Well, the refs are oh that helps.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually tell you have those every almost like
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: it's like a game. They actually tell you nice. It
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: was riling again this about forty two, right, hash. Should
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: they extend the height of the goalpost. No, No, when
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: lasers oh one looks okay to me. Yeah, they get
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: just stuck in there. Yeah, they're not going to keep going.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Here we go, Slide get his chance. Dan Hurley going
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: back to Yukon, Oh yeah, wow, not going to the Lakers.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: Wow, I want to JJ Reddick going to ninety eight
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: point five.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: That's going to be on the afternoon Show.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: The best thing about being at game last night was
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: that I didn't have to listen to Dos.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: A doors fan.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: I know, not at all. Yes, hot take, I watched.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: She's fine.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: She's better when the sixers aren't involved.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: No, she's also better when it's three people and it's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: not up to her to do all the analysis because
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: she feels obligated after every play to say something and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: you don't have to do that.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: I thought she was fine last night.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: I missed Van Gundy and Mark Jackson.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but until they make a game that tips
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: off at a normal human beings, I will not be
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: watching what it's.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: Too late because eight o seven. Come on, it's a championship.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: Come on, take a nap early, take a nap.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: I was, how old are you?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: You young?
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: I'm too old. Didn't one of the games tip it
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: like nine?
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: No, it's eight? No, I was, I was. It was
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: done by ten thirty last night. Yeah, I was home.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: I usually sleepy.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's a championship. Take a nap Okay.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: Game four, I'll watch.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: That was a Ryland miss from the left hash forty
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: eight yards. That was wide. The ball is not really
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: exploding off his legs. No, that both guys are kind
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: of just like it's like gas. It's like a sand wedge. Yeah,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: slide from forty eight it's up. It's good. The hell
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: go on?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: What was that?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: One more? Might go?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: One more and more sash yep, Yeah, this might be
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: a we're gonna do eleven's, then we're gonna kick, then
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: we're gonna do you know that sort of thing.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: How about a two minutes you'll that'll be nice. We
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: got the refs, we got the sticks, we got everything
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: we need.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 8: Bringing the rest just for one series. Let's go. Let's go.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody's coming in now, have team meeting. Yeah, another one.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: Let's pick it up, guys while we're waiting here, Cameron
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: writes in we're trading Judon in a twenty twenty five
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: third round pick.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: Be enough for Higgins? Or are you no? No Judan
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 8: in a third round pick next year?
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: Third maybe in Higgins's case, just because he's a free
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: agent at the end of the year and they really
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: they really need to make a decision on him whether
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: they're gonna pay him or move him or risk cruising
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: him for nothing.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: So I don't think Judon is a great defensive fifth
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: for them either. I mean it's they're they're kind of
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: traditional defensive ends. Not really.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't you don't think that's Look, make the call.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's a complete, like slapping your
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: face type offer, but I don't think it's enough.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: Weset back at quarterbacks, Let's go.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Get something down the field.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 8: Going washed out and you got your way downfield.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, flag black in the middle of the field.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Oh there is a flag, but not not on the
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: not on the on them defender. It looks like holding
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field was the indication from
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: the center center judge there.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like these drills should be seven on seven
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: because they.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Can't block the front right, so you're not even getting anywhere.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: It's really not even accomplishing, you know. And it's even
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: with even with these were kind of like defensive front
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: starter types. But the back end, other than Dugger is
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: mostly backups. Yeah you know, Marco Wilson. Yeah, we have.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: Peppers and Dugger, you know.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: But I wonder if these are.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: All going to be in the slot. I mean, the
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: corners are all backups right now. That's good pocket, that's
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: a good yeah, nice nice throw, nice catch. Thornton gets
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: out of bounce Corier just an.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: Absolute roller coaster every single day where you can watch
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: the routes that are good like that one, and say, okay,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: you know this guy might be able to be something.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: And then there's other reps for just scratching your head.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: You see those deep outs though into the sideline. That's
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: just not an area of the field that they could
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: access easily before. It just makes it the whole. So
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: many move flags fly cobset saying it's off.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 8: Well, I saw JUNI, but I'm not your.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Approachment on the defense.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 7: Jacobe was definitely fired.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Up after that one defense off side ref's mic isn't
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: working outsides.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: I would love to see friends a ref. He's so funny.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: I tried to ref intramural basketball in college, and uh,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: I think they almost killed me.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: I was not friendly to our intramural refs. I feel
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: bad about that. Not a good side of me.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: Because you know, guys would drink before they played ohe murals,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: tough crowd. Yeah, get it down, first down, all right,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: with the forty headline, back to passy good breakup by
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: as easy hern shoulder in complete. That's the hunter, Hunter, Henry.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, Evan's to your point. I almost feel like
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: they are kind of like, all right, we'll just put
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: the backup corners and see if you guys can do
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: anything on them.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: It's been tough out here in terms of separation. Even
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: the completions that they've made have been underneath the defense
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: or you know, contested type grabs down the field.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: So it's clear.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: As Evan said, the next step in May's progression would
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: be just see him out here with the ones on defense,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: even if he's second up. Keep the starting defense out
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: there and see what he can do against him. But
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: this has all been forset so far with the starting defense.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: Do you think they want to focus on his footwork
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: and technique first before they not to say like it
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: would burn his confidence by putting him out there with
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: the starting defense, but before they throw him out to
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: the wolves.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe, But I think I think the first thing is,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: let's see what our offense looks like, yeah, with a
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: veteran quarterback, before we put a rookie out there with
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: with our offense.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: I think too there's an element of as soon as
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: you put Mac mac oh, god, as soon as you
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: put Drake May out there with the starters quote unquote,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: that's everybody's like, oh yeah it is.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: There's there's no rush, and I know I feel like
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: I'm rushing it. But I think it's more just from
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: an entertainment standpoint to be, to be honest with you,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 4: because I just watching this offense with Chikoby Brissett. He's fine,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: but I don't know if I can deal with another
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: season of fine and when I and last year was
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: worse than fine. But you understand my point where everything
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: just feels like it's so hard to just even pick
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: up a couple first downs because it has to be perfect,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: exactly how they put it on the whiteboard every single time,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: just to create yards out of it. Because there isn't
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: anything special about anybody on the field. There's no to
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: Fred's point earlier, there's no number one receiver. The quarterback's
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: not a difference maker, so there's nothing special about what
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: they're throwing out there, whereas with Drake it might be inconsistent,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: but there's gonna be moments of special. Yeah, and at
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: least that gives you something to hang your hat on.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel like you're starting the journey to investing
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: in in full time sooner you're not wasting your time,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: you know, spending your wheels with a guy who you
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: know isn't going to be here in two years. Right.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: I just I feel like we're on a road to
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: nowhere with Jakobe Brissett right now, where it will will
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: you not turn the ball over and have these backbreaking
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: interceptions late in games like in Germany, maybe you know,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: we can get to that point, but it's just never.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: I just don't see anything that's going to be appealing
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: or entertaining.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: Even Okay, sets out, hit up the field goal again.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: It looks like this field goal are a little longer.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 7: Now he's got the juice jumping around.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: Juice, kick us up and surefooted. Good.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: That was a too true two minute type drill. So
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: they throw the slant the rigger and then they ran
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 4: the ball a little gun run and take it, and
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: then they spiked it.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah with two seconds left. Ye, So now you got
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: fifty eight seconds on the clock, fifty six more than
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: he needs. Just so Drake's gonna get a chance here,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: is it.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 8: Drake or Zappy like Drake? Drake grabbing him up? Yep, yep,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 8: it's happening up the ol. So that's been consistent. Drake's
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 8: been number two.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: He's been pretty good today. I'm not gonna lie. He
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: missed that throw early.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: And then I give him a beat. Yeah, okay, I
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: could live with a bee. Okay, I think that's fair. Right,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: So here's something again we got so we got we
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: got real corners out there. Okay, was in the middle.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: We got starting corners.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 8: Because I noticed that on that last series they held
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 8: the starting corners were not on the field and now
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 8: they are, so.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: They held them out. But but back up front seven
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: really so, I mean, yeah, this is the day that
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: Drake made became the starting quarter back. Let's see if
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: you can get the ball to pulk against Gonzales.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: Pressure not good, there's the pressure. The pocket is just
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: not holding up on some of these for either quarterback.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be biased, like the pressure has
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: been bad for with.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: The well, I think that well, I think he held
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: it a little long arm angles. Huh.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just tell too that he's trying to
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: run it in structure and run it on time. And
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: now we haven't even gotten into the I'm gonna scramble
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: around and throw it off my back foot fifty yards
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: after yet And that's not what you want to do
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: at this time of year, obviously, But that that element
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: of it, too, is always in the back of my mind,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: that man, we got a flat that exists with the
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: start that it's you know, like it's not gonna always
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: have to be this, like he's got a whole other
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: thing in his back pocket.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Well, if we can get the structure stuff down, good place,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: all right? How up? How so? Yeah? You got guys
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: like Christian Ellis him and Az Yeah, this is.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: Marty Moffu playing Mike though, but back like obviously, but
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: give him some reps there it.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: Interesting directing trap, it's going, He's going m hm. That's throw.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: That's that's what I'm talking about. Step up into the pocket,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: off platform, throw at Jalen Polk. The other guys just
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: can't do that, and that's why here's the third overall
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: pick in the draft.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: That's a throw we have not seen in these plucks
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: in the long and time.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 9: Focus wide open. Yeah, let's good throw. So do you
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 9: do a lot slop?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 8: Twenty nine seconds left in the drive.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: Pressure?
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: What are you supposed to do then definitely? Oh oh
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: oh seventy four ninety seven, seventy four and ninety seven.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: A little dust up there, Michael Jordan seven for Michael Jordan. Yeah,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: is it.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: In the Russian for six seconds left four three two,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: just just gets it off YouTube for a touchdown. So
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing with the clock, but
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: obviously that would have been the last player of the game.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 7: Yo goals again, maybe.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: Whollow du Mao blowing the whistle, taking control. We're going back.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: We're doing another rep here is that? It?
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: See looks like maybe Zappi is going to get a
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: turn here. Yeah, Drake May took his homet offers walking back.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: It's a little frustrated about something.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: And then I saw Jacoby go over to a defender
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: and put his arm around him like you're you're cheating
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: or doing you know. I think I'm not sure what
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: was going on there.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: A yeah, I think somebody did bump into Drake May
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: a little bit. I wonder if Jacoby was like.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 8: Hey, franchise, yeah, let's not hurt somebody. It is Bailey
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 8: Zappy now Zappy fever starts and in.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: The pressure he just puts it down.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: Well that was four verts like they were just running
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: everybody down the field, uh Hail Mary style and that
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: did not not.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Stand a chance even len Zappy run real place. Come on,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: it's four vers.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 10: Due yeah right, timeless.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: Wait, that's a throat of No. One eighty six. But
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: that was hot. That ball tipped at the line a
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: little bit. Didn't look good. No, right along the ground
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: defense is going to claim victory today. Yeah, well you
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: get the feeling getting into training campus is going to be, Yeah,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: how how much can the offense get up to speed?
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's just weird to use. When we
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: talked about what Damien Harris had to say about what
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: was going on in that offense that we watched, and
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: then you know, even last year it was seemed I
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: guess a little more organized, but it just wasn't. It
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: was less productive, and you know, it's it's just hard
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: to know what the difference is between in an offense
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty two that you be watching training
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: camp that was never going to go anywhere too all right,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: yeah it looks clunky right now, But are we seeing
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: enough that you feel like there's you know, there's going
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: to be progress They're going to start not at this
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: being able to Yeah, no, it's hard to see. And
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: I mean and even when they talk about it and
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, we really need the running game to
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: be clicking, and you know, you just wonder as a
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: coach when you put these systems in and you really
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: can acknowledge like there's always an element unown when you
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: get to that first game that you don't know exactly
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: what you got it doesn't.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 4: How it feels like there's still that lack of separation
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: from on the instructure stuff that unless they're run game play, action,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: sequencing and all that comes together really well, this is
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: not going to be an offense that eleven on eleven
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: you know three wide.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: Is that schooler drops a schooler deep safety with James
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: bell zap Be just threw that up off his back
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: before is seen enough, they're off the hills.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 8: Schooler.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: All right, if that's the case, let's see what's going
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: They are off to the hills to run. So we
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: are gonna wrap things up here at the Letts Stadium.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: Next up is should I break the news or not?
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: But when the next practice? Okay, So Wednesday, we'll be
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: back live, and I believe it's an early morning practice
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: relative you know, earlier than today, so we'll be on
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: what nine fifteen or something like that.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: Ten. Yeah, okay, So the.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: Practice starts at ten.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll come up on about nine forty five,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: uh for practice on Wednesday. It's a busy day on
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Wednesday because it's also the Brady Day. So we'll have
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: our live practice Patriots Unfiltered at nine forty five start
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: and then we'll have the red carpet ceremony, start with
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Brady around five five thirty and then we'll carry.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 8: It through to the end of the night. So it's
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 8: a big day Wednesday. That's when we'll talk to you next. Obviously,
• 2:12:04
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• 2:12:09
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