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Serial Killer starts with murder of wife, now suspected in 16 deaths · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, we read about
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Speaker 1: serial killers all the time. There's gaycy, there's BTK buying
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Speaker 1: torture killed Dennis Raider, there's Ted Bundy. Of course, there's
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Speaker 1: a night stalker. They go on and on and on,
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Speaker 1: and they're almost fabled. That's not good. They're not just
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Speaker 1: stories and some paperback novel They're real. And here is
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Speaker 1: a brand new one right under our noses, a prolific
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Speaker 1: serial killer. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This is how
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Speaker 1: the whole thing starts. Listen. Twenty one year old Matthew
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Speaker 1: Miller's girlfriend reported him missing early in the year. He
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Speaker 1: was last seen on January twenty fourth. During that investigation,
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Speaker 1: Grant's police discovered other individuals may also be missing, namely
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Speaker 1: thirty nine year old Jennifer Lennon and forty year old
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Speaker 1: Jetson Mata. Police began looking for the pair, who were
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Speaker 1: friends with Miller. They were wanted for questioning about Miller's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Just a young kid, really, just twenty one years old,
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Speaker 1: just starting out in life, and suddenly he goes missing
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel and believe me. When
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Speaker 1: they started investigating, investigating Matthew's disappearance. It unraveled a story
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Speaker 1: like none I have ever heard. With me Leavipay's Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com, investigative reporter, host of Crime and Scandal
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Speaker 1: to podcast on YouTube. Doctor at Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist,
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Speaker 1: former medical examiner, author homicide investigation field guide, and former sheriff.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and founder of the Coldcase Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org. Psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: to the Stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of
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Speaker 1: LA She's a star of a brand new hit series
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Speaker 1: on Netflix called Bling Empire, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dale Carson right now,
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney and he practices out of Jacksonville. But
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Speaker 1: what you may not know is he's former FBI and
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Speaker 1: cop author of Arrest Proof Yourself at Dalecarson Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: But right now joining me to very special guests connected
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Speaker 1: to Matthew Miller, just twenty one years old when he
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Speaker 1: goes missing. Daisy Castillo and I want to tell you
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Speaker 1: about the go fund me search Matthew Miller's services. There's
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Speaker 1: just one tea in Matthew. Daisy Castillo with me. This
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Speaker 1: is Matthew's aunt, and also with us Matthew's grandmother, Nita Schult,
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Speaker 1: both of them joining us out of New Mexico, Daisy Castillo,
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Speaker 1: Miss Castillo, do you remember when you first learned that
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Speaker 1: moment you learned Matthew is missing. Yeah, we knew right
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Speaker 1: away something was wrong because this kid was an animal
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Speaker 1: lover and he left his animals be hunt and right away,
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Speaker 1: you know, my mom made a police louver that I gave.
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Speaker 1: My mom made a police you're cutting down out of me,
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Speaker 1: Daisy Castillo. This is Matthew's aunt saying that day when
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Speaker 1: nobody could find Matthew and they realized he had left
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Speaker 1: his animals untended, they knew something was horribly wrong and
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Speaker 1: made a police report. So, misscus Dio, how did you
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Speaker 1: find out Matthew was missing? Honestly, my mom's good friend, Yabby,
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Speaker 1: she lives next to her, next door to Matthews, and
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Speaker 1: she had called my mom and said, hey, I haven't
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Speaker 1: seen Matthew's truck for about a week. Holy whoa, whoa
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Speaker 1: wait right there, right there? Hold on. Cheryl McCall him,
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Speaker 1: Director Coal Case Research institute a week's lead. I mean
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Speaker 1: you and I do backflips when it takes three hours
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Speaker 1: to support to report somebody missing. Because every hour, you
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Speaker 1: can count on sixty miles an hour. That's how fast
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Speaker 1: somebody could be getting away with the missing person. In
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Speaker 1: a week, you could drive and be in another country.
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Speaker 1: In a week, you can dispose of every single thing
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Speaker 1: connecting you to that victim, the weapon, their identity, fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: you can destroy everything, that amount of everything. So thank you,
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Speaker 1: miss Castillo. Now back to why it took a week.
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Speaker 1: Because Matthew was with his girlfriend alat So when we
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Speaker 1: called the girlfriend, the girlfriend, yeah, he's been missing. I
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Speaker 1: told him, excuse my linguae to Tori wi the by
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Speaker 1: the hello did you call my mom? We could have
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Speaker 1: made a report a long time ago. The night that
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Speaker 1: he didn't come home and mine's been when to come
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Speaker 1: home at night, I'm I'm making a police report. But she,
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Speaker 1: for some mean, she didn't tell nobody and tell the
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Speaker 1: neighbor called my mom. We have no idea, no clue
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Speaker 1: why she didn't share that info that you know, because
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Speaker 1: Matthew didn't. Maybe she thought they were in some kind
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Speaker 1: of a spat and she was trying to wait him
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Speaker 1: out to Nina Shault, Miss schult Is, Matthew's grandmother, misschel,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. When did you learn
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Speaker 1: your grandson was missing? We didn't even know for a
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Speaker 1: week because she didn't call us. And then, like I said,
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Speaker 1: my friend Daddy told us that he hadn't been as
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Speaker 1: so immediately we went over there and started to the house,
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Speaker 1: you know, see if there was something going on in there.
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Speaker 1: And I followed the police report. And then about a
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Speaker 1: week after that, our detective or Mason posters and what's
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Speaker 1: funny about that? And it's not funny. I don't mean
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Speaker 1: that posters. The day we posted posters is a day
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Speaker 1: to police founded. Struck found his trust. I mean within
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Speaker 1: hours of us, guys, the search for twenty one year
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Speaker 1: old Matthew uh started the unraveling of an incredible story.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen now to this.
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Speaker 1: Sport Documents show Jennifer Lennon and Sean Lennon divorced in
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He sought and one custody of their three children.
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Speaker 1: Relative say in early March, Sean Lennon flew to his parents'
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Speaker 1: home in New Jersey with his children, six and seven
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Speaker 1: year old girls and a four year old boy. He
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Speaker 1: left again, saying that he was going to look for
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Speaker 1: his ex wife, Chris Whitman, Jennifer len and his brother
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Speaker 1: says he was told that she had run off with
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Speaker 1: some friends, possibly to Arizona. Whitman says the story didn't
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Speaker 1: sound right because she was a great mom and it
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Speaker 1: was uncharacteristic for her not to be with her children.
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Speaker 1: So now, from a completely different direction of left field
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Speaker 1: comes another missing person. Jennifer Lannon. Now Jennifer Lannon is
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Speaker 1: thirty nine, is a thirty nine year old mom. Matthew
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Speaker 1: Miller is a twenty one year old man boy with
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Speaker 1: a girlfriend. Now these two both go missing, and at
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Speaker 1: first there's really no connection. I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: to you, Leavi Page. I want to talk about first Matthew.
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Speaker 1: Matthew goes missing. The truck has been gone a week
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Speaker 1: before anybody realizes he's gone. Tell me what we know
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Speaker 1: at the get go. About twenty one year old Matthew
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Speaker 1: Miller disappearing. His truck had not been discovered at his home.
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Speaker 1: It's been missing for a week. His neighbor informed the family,
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Speaker 1: and his girlfriend also said she had not seen him
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Speaker 1: for a week. He was reported missing in late January.
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Speaker 1: And this was an animal lover who had left his
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Speaker 1: animals unattended, so automatically he went missing under extremely suspicious circumstances. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining us. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you know the other woman is a mother, Jennifer Lannon,
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Speaker 1: a devoted mother to Tats. Then you've got this dog
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Speaker 1: lover from two ends of the spectrum, not connected. Both
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Speaker 1: go missing, but in both cases the behavioral evidence. She
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Speaker 1: leaves her Tats behind, he leaves all his animals behind,
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Speaker 1: and he is a real animal lover. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Guys, the story of a serial killer begins
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Speaker 1: to unravel, and it all starts with an animal lover
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old. He's not there to take care
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Speaker 1: of his animals, and the neighbor calls his family. Little
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Speaker 1: does she know the story that would unfold. Go ahead, Bethany, Well,
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Speaker 1: there's no reason in this dan age, with all of
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Speaker 1: our electronics, our phones, Twitter, Instagram, all of that for
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Speaker 1: anybody to be on a touch for more than an hour.
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Speaker 1: So that what links these two potential victims together is
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Speaker 1: that they dropped out of sight everywhere, and everybody minimized it. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If I have a patient who doesn't show up for
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Speaker 1: a session and I'm concerned, I do what's called a
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Speaker 1: welfare check. I get their address, I call the police.
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Speaker 1: I have to go the police, go knock on their
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Speaker 1: door and make sure they're okay. And I've had patients
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Speaker 1: leave therapy over it or be really angry at me.
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Speaker 1: But twice in thirty years, I had a patient who
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Speaker 1: is trying to commit suicide and didn't come to a
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Speaker 1: session because they didn't want me to know, and the
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Speaker 1: police got there in time. Two times in thirty years.
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Speaker 1: So for your listeners and viewers, it's really important when
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Speaker 1: somebody goes missing, just call nine one one, have them
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Speaker 1: go knock on the person's door. Don't do not let
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Speaker 1: a week go by. You know what's so interesting about
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Speaker 1: what you're saying to Dale Carson, former FBI, former author
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Speaker 1: of Arrest Proof Yourself. He's a lawyer now at Dale
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Speaker 1: Carson Law dot com. Dale behavioral evidence And I don't
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Speaker 1: it's called routine evidence. And I don't mean standard routine.
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Speaker 1: You know, just run of the meal evidence is routine.
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Speaker 1: I mean evidence of your routine. For him to just
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Speaker 1: leave his animals and for her to just leave her children,
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Speaker 1: it left no doubt in everybody's mind something was horribly wrong.
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Speaker 1: But why, seemingly is that never enough for police? Well,
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Speaker 1: this is called psychological profiling, and it looks at a
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Speaker 1: person's history to determine whether or not they've acted in
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Speaker 1: accordance with that personal history, and if they haven't, that
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Speaker 1: indicates there's a problem, and certainly law enforcement because most
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Speaker 1: of these individuals are adults. Adults have free will, they
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Speaker 1: don't have to contact anybody, so that causes this constant
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Speaker 1: delay in reporting, and we all feel embarrassed call the
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Speaker 1: police and report somebody missing. They're going to be angry
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Speaker 1: with you. The police don't want to do it anyway,
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Speaker 1: so everybody's upset. We use so there's a wall preventing
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Speaker 1: you from doing what any reasonable responsible friend would do.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chary McCollum, you heard need a Shalt and
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Speaker 1: Daisy Castillo, who are the grandmother and aunt of Matthew
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Speaker 1: Miller speaking, what would you be looking for in twenty
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Speaker 1: one year old Matthew Miller's home when you go to
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Speaker 1: check on him and the pets what's missing. That killer
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Speaker 1: took something. He targeted him for a reason. And so
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Speaker 1: again when you're talking about these patterns, it's going to
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Speaker 1: be critical to know what did he take because that's
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Speaker 1: what he's using. So for example, was it a bank card,
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Speaker 1: was it a photo ID? Was it a vehicle? There
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Speaker 1: was something he gained from that victim from the murder,
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Speaker 1: So we've got are you talking about Trophy's dark No,
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Speaker 1: I'm actually talking about something I think that he's physically using.
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Speaker 1: I think he targets people because of what he needs.
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Speaker 1: For example, let's say he's going to use these ride
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Speaker 1: shares with a fake ID. He's getting them from these victims.
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Speaker 1: So if you look at one victim is twenty one,
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Speaker 1: one is forty one, is sixty a forty seven year
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Speaker 1: old man maybe weaving in and out with different ideas
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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. That's how we're staying on
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Speaker 1: the run. So if you look at Virginia, Saint Louis,
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Speaker 1: New Mexico, he's criss crossing to stay undetected. So LEVI Page,
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Speaker 1: I know that Matthew Miller goes missing in New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: I know Jennifer Lannon goes missing in New Mexico. Who's
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Speaker 1: the next person to go missing? Levi Well and Nancy
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Lannon went missing. She's thirty nine years old. She
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Speaker 1: went missing in New Mexico and her husband dropped the
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Speaker 1: kids off with her parents in New Jersey. He said,
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to New Mexico to search for Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: And then there is Michael Debowski who was found dead
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, and others were also missing in New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: But about Randall app Pistolon, Yeah, he went missing in
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Speaker 1: New Mexico as well, and police were beginning to connect
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Speaker 1: all the dots, with questions arising all over the country.
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Speaker 1: This happens next listen. The search for Matthew Miller, Jennifer Lennon,
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Speaker 1: and Jetsenmata went on for weeks, ending when the bodies
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Speaker 1: of all three were found in a vehicle in a
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Speaker 1: parking garage at Albuquerque International Sunport, New Mexico's largest airport.
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Speaker 1: And there was another victim, sixty year old Albuquerque resident
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Speaker 1: Randall Aposta Leone. The bodies were found inside Apostallon's truck
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Speaker 1: on the top level of the parking garage. So the
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Speaker 1: search for Matthew ends and even more questions. Back to you,
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Speaker 1: Daisy Castillo, Matthew's aunt, When were you alerted that his
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Speaker 1: body had been found but that it was dismembered? Um
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Speaker 1: while we actually we read it on Facebook, called called
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Speaker 1: the Then when we called the detectives, they said no.
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Speaker 1: And then the next day they not was on what
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Speaker 1: on the fifth or the sixth? Yeah, and we read
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Speaker 1: it on the Facebook, and then the six they came
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Speaker 1: and let us know that it was Matthew. They told
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Speaker 1: us no at first, and then they had an officer
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Speaker 1: come let us know the next day, Miss Schult, what
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Speaker 1: is your recollection of discovering Matthew was in fact dead
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Speaker 1: and had been dismembered. I rosed it, honestly. Did someone
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Speaker 1: call you on the phone. My mom was at my house.
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Speaker 1: We were all at my house, and that the cop
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Speaker 1: was at her house and we told him to meet
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Speaker 1: us at them the Long Supermarket that's a little grocery
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Speaker 1: store down from my house, and that's where we all
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Speaker 1: found out and it was go ahead. It was rough,
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Speaker 1: It was it was devastating. Like I said, we lost
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Speaker 1: his mom in April and now him and it was
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Speaker 1: just and this was the worst way. He didn't deserve it,
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Speaker 1: and it was devastating. Tool. I mean, it's it's changed
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Speaker 1: the whole family. I don't even want my kids walking
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Speaker 1: down the road. Nata's Shawl. This is Matthew's grandmother, Miss Saul.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the moment you discovered that Matthew, your
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Speaker 1: grandson was dead, not just dead, but dismembered as well.
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Speaker 1: I lost it, I really did. We kind of know
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Speaker 1: what they were going to have, but it was hard
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Speaker 1: to hear in it. I'm sorry him crying. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: just can't imagine that, learning from Facebook, then asking them
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Speaker 1: they say no, and then you find out in fact
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Speaker 1: it is true. And you know what, it's almost more harsh,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, because you have that moment of thinking, oh,
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Speaker 1: thank goodness, that's not him, only to find out yes,
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Speaker 1: it was him. You know, the reality changing again and
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Speaker 1: again all that time that they were waiting, and then
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Speaker 1: the idea that he's dismembered in the car at an
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Speaker 1: airport parking lot. It leaves so many questions in the
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Speaker 1: victim's family's minds, like how did he get there, who
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Speaker 1: dismembered him, what were his final moments? Like you know,
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Speaker 1: trauma is not just losing somebody. But it's knowing that
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Speaker 1: the loved one went through some painful or excruciating experience.
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Speaker 1: It's not what happens to us the cause of trauma.
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Speaker 1: It's knowing that a loved one suffered. That's more traumatic
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Speaker 1: than harm being done to the self. So I think
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Speaker 1: all these questions, the ambiguity the unknown is just rife
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Speaker 1: for English, Nancy, just anguish. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, joining US forensic pathologists, former medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Doctor Dupree not only
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Speaker 1: as a family shocked by the discovery their young twenty
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Speaker 1: one year old grandson, their nephew is dead, but that
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Speaker 1: he's dismembered in a car at an airport in Albuquerque,
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Speaker 1: and there are other dismembered people. That's almost too much
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Speaker 1: to take in Doctor Michelle Dupree as a crime scene
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Speaker 1: the investigator for the Medical Examiner's Office. As a medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: how do you handle a scene like that? Nancy, It's difficult.
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Speaker 1: You have to be so careful. There is likely so
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Speaker 1: much evidence, there's also contamination. You have to deal with
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Speaker 1: how long the scene has been there, how long have
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Speaker 1: the body's been there? You have more than one body,
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Speaker 1: it's horrific. You have to do everything very methodically. You
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Speaker 1: have to make sure that everything is a photographed for
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Speaker 1: sure in place, and then that everything is taken back
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Speaker 1: to the medical Examiner's office and very carefully examined crime
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Speaker 1: stories with me, grace. Guys, we're talking about a serial
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Speaker 1: killer under the nose, under the noses friends and family,
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Speaker 1: his crimes spanning across the country, and it all starts
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Speaker 1: with the twenty one year old Matthew Miller who doesn't
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Speaker 1: feed his pets, and the neighbor calls and he's reported missing.
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Speaker 1: And the story that unfolds is like no other. To
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: that car and everything about it has to be handled
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Speaker 1: very carefully, very carefully. And it brings to mind the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Fulton County Courthouse shooting. You recall, I was on
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Speaker 1: a plane from New York to LA when I got
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Speaker 1: a text about the shooting. I grabbed my bag, got
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Speaker 1: off that plane and got on another plane to Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Our friend, our colleague, Al Dixon, was part of the
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Speaker 1: crew that process that scene multiple mass shooting, and it
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Speaker 1: took literally days correct to process the saying. The bodies
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Speaker 1: had to lay where they were for hours for the
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Speaker 1: photographs and measurements, and then once the bodies were removed,
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Speaker 1: then came the task of actually processing for evidence. It's
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Speaker 1: very difficult to process a scene like this. How do
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Speaker 1: you do at Cheryl again, Nancy? For me, it's going
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Speaker 1: to start from the outside end. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: go in too quickly. There's going to be prints and
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Speaker 1: things on the outside of that car. There may be
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Speaker 1: dust or sand to give you an idea of where
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Speaker 1: all that car has traveled. There could be stuff under
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Speaker 1: the undercarriage. You're going to want to look at everything.
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Speaker 1: Every single thing matters. Are the keys in it or
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Speaker 1: the light zone? What's in the trunk, what's in the
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Speaker 1: glove compartment? How are the victims or the heads with
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Speaker 1: each body? Are they separated? Are they just thrown in?
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Speaker 1: Can you possibly understand you know who was murdered first
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Speaker 1: based on how they are found as any victim on
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Speaker 1: top of the other victim. You've got to do all
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Speaker 1: of these things before you even begin to touch anything
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Speaker 1: on the inside of that car. You're talking about days
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Speaker 1: to doctor Micheltu pree the other The reverse side of that,
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Speaker 1: the flip side is you've got to get those bodies
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Speaker 1: in as quickly as possible to the medical Examiner's office
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Speaker 1: in order to do the best autopsy possible. The body
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Speaker 1: will unlock so many clues. Right. The longer you delay,
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Speaker 1: the worse it's going to get. But in I say,
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Speaker 1: some of the bodies have been dead for three months,
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Speaker 1: and so when putrification takes effect, you know, a lot
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Speaker 1: of that evidence disappears. A lot of the actual evidence
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Speaker 1: that can be used to determined manner of death disappears.
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Speaker 1: So they've been in the heat on the top floor
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Speaker 1: of a parking lot for several months. And I've got
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Speaker 1: to know that's a difficult crime see to look at
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Speaker 1: and to analyze. And I'm sure that top floor was
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Speaker 1: chosen for a reason because who takes their car all
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Speaker 1: the way to the top of the deck to park it.
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Speaker 1: He knew that nobody was going to come up there
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Speaker 1: and find these bodies. Now, you were just hearing Dell
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Speaker 1: Carson and former FBI speaking to doctor Michelle dupree way
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Speaker 1: in Actually, what we would do in many cases, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is after everything has been photographed in place at the
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Speaker 1: scene where the van is found. We would then move
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Speaker 1: the van to the Medical Examiner's office so that it
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Speaker 1: could be processed in the garage at the emmy's office.
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Speaker 1: You still have to take so much time, and it
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Speaker 1: can take days actually to do that. But as soon
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Speaker 1: as we can process that van and the bodies inside
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Speaker 1: at the emmy's office, we can begin to collect evidence.
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Speaker 1: And even though they may be somewhat decomposed, we can
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Speaker 1: still collect certain evidence from that, from the fluids and
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Speaker 1: everything else that remains inside that van. So let me
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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. You wouldn't even take the bodies
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Speaker 1: from the vehicle. You'd take the vehicle to the emmy's office. Yes,
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Speaker 1: oftentimes we would do that. We would take the complete
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Speaker 1: vehicle after it had been photographed in place at the
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Speaker 1: scene and all the things that we could gather at
23:16
Speaker 1: the scene were done, then we would remove the entire
23:19
Speaker 1: vehicle intact to the garage at the Medical Examiner's office
23:23
Speaker 1: and continue the investigation there. Yeah, you're right, I didn't
23:27
Speaker 1: even think of that. You're absolutely right. Is that Dell
23:29
Speaker 1: jumping in? Go ahead? It's not all that unusual. We've
23:31
Speaker 1: actually shifted the entire pay telephone booth to the bureau
23:35
Speaker 1: to have it analyzed because we were so concerned that
23:38
Speaker 1: we might lose evidence. Wow, So you can imagine the
23:41
Speaker 1: agents lifting a telephone booth onto a truck to transport it.
23:45
Speaker 1: That's why you guys are the experts. So here we
23:48
Speaker 1: have this happening in an Albuquerque airport in a vehicle,
23:53
Speaker 1: and you've got Nita Shault, the grandma. You've got Jays Castillo,
23:57
Speaker 1: the aunt, just reeling with the news that this is
24:02
Speaker 1: in fact, twenty one year old Matthew Miller, and he's
24:05
Speaker 1: a dead and he's been dismembered. He's in a car
24:08
Speaker 1: parked at an airport on the top floor of the
24:11
Speaker 1: parking deck. Can you imagine getting that phone call? Then
24:14
Speaker 1: they find out there are other bodies that are in
24:18
Speaker 1: the vehicle, also dismembered, as Dale told you earlier from
24:23
Speaker 1: months B four. So what is happening in this case?
24:29
Speaker 1: We'll hold onto your hat. Take a listen to an
24:32
Speaker 1: Annie McCormick at ABC six. This is wp v I TV.
24:36
Speaker 1: A murder of a man in East Greenwich Township sparked
24:39
Speaker 1: a man hunt, police releasing an all points bulletin Wednesday
24:42
Speaker 1: for this man. Forty seven year old Sean Lannon. The
24:45
Speaker 1: South Jersey victim, whose name was not released by authorities,
24:48
Speaker 1: was discovered murdered in a home on Myrtle Avenue on Monday.
24:51
Speaker 1: Lannon is also tied to the discovery of four dead
24:55
Speaker 1: bodies found last Friday in a vehicle parked at the Albuquerque,
24:58
Speaker 1: New Mexico Airport. One of the victims in that case
25:02
Speaker 1: Lannon's ex wife, Jennifer. Both are New Jersey natives, but
25:05
Speaker 1: lived in Grants, New Mexico, and divorced in twenty nineteen.
25:09
Speaker 1: At least one of the four bodies discovered was a
25:11
Speaker 1: man reported missing, and Jennifer was wanted for questioning in
25:15
Speaker 1: that case. Sean Lannon was awarded soul custody of the
25:18
Speaker 1: couple's children two years ago, but authorities confirmed even though
25:21
Speaker 1: he still has physical custody, the children are safe and
25:25
Speaker 1: not with their father. So now some things are starting
25:28
Speaker 1: to pick together. Straight out to Dale Carson joining US
25:32
Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI and cop author of Arrest
25:35
Speaker 1: Proof Yourself. So Dale, now we're learning from ABC six
25:40
Speaker 1: to abp v I about a dead man in East
25:43
Speaker 1: Greenwich Township that's sparks a man hunt for a guy
25:48
Speaker 1: last name Lannon. Then we pieced together one of the
25:52
Speaker 1: victims in that car in Albuquerque, Lannon's wife, right, That
25:58
Speaker 1: draws the line together for him. So they now know
26:00
Speaker 1: that Lannin is connected with the death in New Jersey,
26:04
Speaker 1: dupre and that is because WOA. Remember, we have to
26:10
Speaker 1: identify which victim we're talking about because there's so many.
26:15
Speaker 1: So cops now think, I think this is what you're saying.
26:18
Speaker 1: Is they suspect Sean Lannon is connected to the body
26:23
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lannon in that car, and if he's connected to her,
26:27
Speaker 1: then he must be connected to the other bodies. They
26:30
Speaker 1: are all connected with Lanning through their past history. They
26:35
Speaker 1: knew Shannon the rather, they knew Lanning when he was gone,
26:39
Speaker 1: and that's where they all met. So the wife, Jennifer,
26:44
Speaker 1: she ends up being killed first as I read this,
26:47
Speaker 1: probably shot sometime in January. And then he travels to
26:54
Speaker 1: take his children to Jennifer's parents in New Jersey, I believe, right.
27:00
Speaker 1: And while they are there, there's another murder that occurs
27:04
Speaker 1: that is connected to the mentor for Lannen. Back in
27:09
Speaker 1: the nineteen probably eighties, when Lannon was attending a boys
27:16
Speaker 1: club in New Mexico. Are you talking about Michael Debkowski?
27:21
Speaker 1: I am talking about specifically Michael Dakowski. And Michael Dkowski
27:26
Speaker 1: also mentored Lannon's brother as well, So there's a long
27:33
Speaker 1: term connection. And hold on, hold, hold, say again, let's
27:37
Speaker 1: be very clear. Sean Lannon, we believe murdered his wife,
27:42
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lannon in January. Yes, he takes their mutual children
27:48
Speaker 1: across the country from New Mexico to New Jersey to
27:51
Speaker 1: leave the children with family. Right then suddenly another dead body,
27:56
Speaker 1: Michael Debkowski, He's dead. What about the others? To you?
28:01
Speaker 1: Leavi Page shed some light on all these dead bodies.
28:05
Speaker 1: How were they connected to Sean Lannon. So, Jennifer Lannon,
28:10
Speaker 1: Mike Miller, and Justin Motta who were found dead in
28:15
Speaker 1: New Mexico, they were all friends with Jennifer Lannon, Sean
28:19
Speaker 1: Lannon's ex wife, and the other man that was dead,
28:24
Speaker 1: Apostolon sixty years old. He was living in that neighborhood
28:29
Speaker 1: of New Mexico, and he lived out of his car,
28:31
Speaker 1: and he was known to give people rides, do odd jobs,
28:35
Speaker 1: help people move anything for extra money when they needed help.
28:39
Speaker 1: He was found dead as well. So you're basically telling
28:42
Speaker 1: me forty year old Justin and sixty year old apostolon
28:49
Speaker 1: or just friends of the wife and they end up
28:52
Speaker 1: dead too. Yes, and Mike Miller, Okay, guys, take a
28:56
Speaker 1: listen to Annie McCormick ABC six. Lannon is also accused
28:59
Speaker 1: of breaking into a building in Monroeville, Elk Township armed
29:03
Speaker 1: with a knife earlier this week. He is described as
29:06
Speaker 1: ex military with a violent past and a drug problem.
29:09
Speaker 1: Police believe he was spotted in Camden on Monday. The
29:13
Speaker 1: US Marshall Service put a five thousand dollar reward out
29:16
Speaker 1: for information leading to Lannon's arrest, and we don't know
29:19
Speaker 1: yet if that five thousand dollar reward was a catalyst
29:22
Speaker 1: for information that led to Lannon's arrests. At this time,
29:25
Speaker 1: he has not named a suspect. However, he again was
29:29
Speaker 1: wanted in connection for questioning of those five murders in
29:33
Speaker 1: New Mexico and also here in New Jersey, the US
29:36
Speaker 1: Marshal Service offering a five thousand dollars reward, But seemingly
29:41
Speaker 1: it gets worse. Here's Gray Hall. ABC six. Prosecutors revealed
29:44
Speaker 1: a bombshell against Sean Lennon, the forty seven year old
29:47
Speaker 1: man accused of several murders in New Mexico and one
29:50
Speaker 1: in East Greenwich, Gloucester County, New Jersey earlier this month.
29:53
Speaker 1: They allege he's responsible for even more murders. He had
29:57
Speaker 1: admitted to killing a to of sixteen people between New Mexico.
30:04
Speaker 1: I'll be at fifteen being in New Mexico and one
30:07
Speaker 1: in the state of New Jersey. That victim in New
30:10
Speaker 1: Jersey was identified as sixty six year old Michael dev Kowski.
30:14
Speaker 1: Albuquerque police say the bodies of Sean's ex wife and
30:17
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lennon and three others were found in the pickup
30:20
Speaker 1: truck abandoned at an airport. Prosecutors say Lennon admitted the
30:23
Speaker 1: crimes to a family member. He told the witness he
30:26
Speaker 1: was extremely sorry for all the things he had done,
30:29
Speaker 1: extremely sorry for all the things done. Then why didn't
30:31
Speaker 1: he turn himself in? And where are we getting sixteen
30:35
Speaker 1: dead bodies? Where's that number coming from? Crime Stories with
30:50
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Well, the man hunt is underway. Take a
30:56
Speaker 1: listen now to Sarah Bloomquist, Brian taff Annie McCormick ABC
31:01
Speaker 1: six with breaking news this noon. We're just in that
31:04
Speaker 1: the multi state manhunt is now over for a man
31:07
Speaker 1: wanted the connection with five murders. Minutes ago, we learned
31:10
Speaker 1: that federal marshals captured Sean Lannon in Saint Louis, Missouri.
31:14
Speaker 1: The forty seven year old was wanted for questioning and
31:16
Speaker 1: a Gloucester County murder and four others in New Mexico.
31:20
Speaker 1: Action News reporter Annie McCormick is live now outside the
31:23
Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office in Woodbury, New Jersey, with these breaking developments. Annie,
31:28
Speaker 1: that's right, Sarah. Authorities here releasing that major development and
31:31
Speaker 1: what turned into a nationwide manhunt. They're releasing those details.
31:35
Speaker 1: Just minutes ago. Sean Lannon is alive and now in
31:39
Speaker 1: custody in Missouri. The US Marshal's taking him into custody
31:43
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis earlier this morning. Well, they finally find
31:46
Speaker 1: this guy in Saint Louis. He has cris crossed the country,
31:50
Speaker 1: not unusual for serial killers. And listen to the story
31:54
Speaker 1: he tells. Here's Nancy Laughlin, a Koah Jahan. Lannon told
31:58
Speaker 1: police he found his wife, Jennifer, in bed with another
32:01
Speaker 1: man justin Matta. In the documents, it says he killed
32:05
Speaker 1: his wife and put her in a container in their backyard,
32:08
Speaker 1: then did the same to Matta, that he lured a
32:10
Speaker 1: third man to his home, Matthew Miller, that Lennon dismembered
32:14
Speaker 1: Mata and Miller. Earlier this month, police found all three
32:18
Speaker 1: victims in a vehicle at the Sunport, along with the
32:21
Speaker 1: fourth victim. Investigators say they think three of the four
32:24
Speaker 1: were killed in Grants, the fourth and Albuquerque. I don't understand, though,
32:28
Speaker 1: Levi Page, even if it's true what he a serial
32:33
Speaker 1: killer says, if you want to take that with a
32:35
Speaker 1: box assault, that he murdered his wife Jennifer after finding
32:39
Speaker 1: her in bed with another man, justin Mata, then why
32:42
Speaker 1: would he lure a twenty one year old Matthew Miller
32:47
Speaker 1: and kill him. What's the connection? Well, Michael Miller was
32:50
Speaker 1: friends with Jennifer Lanna Nancy, and as a motive he
32:54
Speaker 1: gave a story that I'm not going to even repeat
32:56
Speaker 1: because it was an accusation that he made about the victim.
33:00
Speaker 1: The police say there's no evidence. Blame the victim. Blame
33:05
Speaker 1: the victim. You know, he led them all using his
33:08
Speaker 1: ex wife's cell phone, posing as her to get them
33:12
Speaker 1: to the home so he could kill them. That's how
33:15
Speaker 1: diabolical he is and how premeditated this was. I mean,
33:18
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, this guy's smart. He parks the vehicle at
33:21
Speaker 1: the top, the very top deck, probably off in the
33:24
Speaker 1: corner at an airport where he knows people aren't going
33:27
Speaker 1: to come up there unless there's a lot of travel,
33:30
Speaker 1: which there would not have been in times of COVID.
33:33
Speaker 1: He knows nobody's going to come up there. And then
33:36
Speaker 1: he had used her his ex wife's cell phone to
33:39
Speaker 1: lure people over. You know, he's he's not dumb, Cheryl.
33:44
Speaker 1: And then he's all over the country, Chris crossing, evading cops. Absolutely,
33:48
Speaker 1: he's an organized killer, Nancy. So he plans these things,
33:52
Speaker 1: which makes it much more difficult to catch him because
33:55
Speaker 1: he takes his time to plan how he's going to
33:57
Speaker 1: do it and more importantly, how he's going to get away.
34:00
Speaker 1: So again the fake IDs, they using the ride share
34:03
Speaker 1: at the crisscross of the United States to not having
34:06
Speaker 1: a quick automatic link to some of the victims. That
34:09
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time for law enforcement. Meanwhile, he's
34:13
Speaker 1: still moving, which makes it difficult. You know, when you
34:16
Speaker 1: throw out which are all correct, some of his technique.
34:21
Speaker 1: Let me say, using the fake IDs, using the ride chair.
34:24
Speaker 1: Explain how he exploited those, Cheryl, Well, he would use
34:29
Speaker 1: you know, like an uber, but he would give a
34:31
Speaker 1: fake name and he would go to another state. We
34:33
Speaker 1: still don't know what he did in Virginia. And then
34:36
Speaker 1: he would go to another state and use another ID,
34:39
Speaker 1: another identity, and he would keep moving. So again, by
34:42
Speaker 1: the time law enforce it realize his weight, he was
34:44
Speaker 1: just here. We have him on video surveillance and we
34:47
Speaker 1: picked him up on a cell phone ping. They're playing
34:50
Speaker 1: catch up all the time to find out all these
34:53
Speaker 1: people that use uber, you know, which one is him?
34:57
Speaker 1: And where did he go and what did he do
34:58
Speaker 1: when he was there? We still don't know. And with
35:01
Speaker 1: like an organized killer, Nancy, there's usually three different scenes
35:04
Speaker 1: that you are looking for. You're looking for where he
35:07
Speaker 1: apprehended the victim, from where he killed the victim at
35:10
Speaker 1: and where he disposed to the victim. And all three
35:13
Speaker 1: of these are going to be really important for law
35:15
Speaker 1: enforcement to keep tracking down. And you know, to you
35:17
Speaker 1: Del Carson, former FBI now at Dell Carson Law dot com. Dell,
35:24
Speaker 1: it's not like on a Jason Bourne movie. You don't
35:26
Speaker 1: just go pull up a secret compartment under your floor
35:31
Speaker 1: where you take out all of your fake passports and
35:34
Speaker 1: your two hundred thousand dollars and unmarked bills, and all
35:37
Speaker 1: of your semi automatic weapons and velcrow them to your
35:40
Speaker 1: body under your clothes. This guy had to think it
35:44
Speaker 1: all through very carefully, with all these fake IDs and
35:47
Speaker 1: the ride chairs and all of the techniques he used
35:49
Speaker 1: to avoid police. I mean, he was very cunning down,
35:53
Speaker 1: there's no question. And these are the most dangerous of
35:56
Speaker 1: killers because they're highly intelligent, they're socially adequate, they can
36:01
Speaker 1: move between different social levels with ease. I mean, if
36:05
Speaker 1: you look at his photograph, it's perfect. His photograph with
36:09
Speaker 1: his deceased wife. He's wearing a trifocal glasses, which is
36:14
Speaker 1: an indication of the requirement in his world for precision
36:18
Speaker 1: that most people don't have. So this is a guy
36:21
Speaker 1: who is dangerous and until he's apprehended and put in custody,
36:26
Speaker 1: he's going to continue to kill because he enjoys doing that.
36:30
Speaker 1: Killing two. Daisy Castillo, Matthew Miller's aunt, the twenty one
36:35
Speaker 1: year old victim in this case. How was Matthew lured
36:40
Speaker 1: into this guy's murder web? You know, as far as
36:44
Speaker 1: I know, he was friends with the wife, and the
36:49
Speaker 1: guy was very jealous. He thought something was going on
36:52
Speaker 1: between his wife and Matthew, and he used the wife's
36:58
Speaker 1: phone to get to meet him. You know, you're so right.
37:03
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened, Doctor Bethany. I think that
37:07
Speaker 1: he murders his wife. He gets her cell phone and
37:10
Speaker 1: starts using it to lure people over. For instance, if
37:13
Speaker 1: you look in my phone, you see John David John David, John, David, Lucy, Lucy, Lucy,
37:18
Speaker 1: Jack Jack Jack Jack. Well, Jackie's my producer. But if
37:22
Speaker 1: you looked to him, you think, wow, why is she
37:23
Speaker 1: calling a guy named Jack so much? Well, it's Jackie
37:27
Speaker 1: and it's my producer right here at Fox Nation series
37:31
Speaker 1: sex Simulae. That's what he did. He gets on her phone,
37:34
Speaker 1: he sees these guys she's calling, He sees that she's
37:37
Speaker 1: calling friend Matthew Miller, lures him over, probably texted him
37:43
Speaker 1: right to kill him, and then makes up a story
37:46
Speaker 1: that he's the aggressor. That's right, Nancy. I mean, remember
37:49
Speaker 1: this type of serial killer killing is a crime of opportunity.
37:55
Speaker 1: Usually the serial killer has a type. It might be
37:58
Speaker 1: a sex worker. It might be young boys, it might
38:00
Speaker 1: be middle aged man. What's interesting about this serial killer.
38:04
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to have a type. It's his ex wife.
38:08
Speaker 1: It's a twenty one year old. But yes, it's all revolved.
38:10
Speaker 1: A nucleus of his crimes deals with his x wife.
38:13
Speaker 1: But wait a minute, that's not entirely true. Take a
38:17
Speaker 1: listen to Nancy lawlin Koat. Authorities in New Jersey have
38:21
Speaker 1: also charged him with murder there. They say Landon told
38:24
Speaker 1: them he was tied to more than a dozen murders
38:26
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. I asked the district attorney out of
38:29
Speaker 1: grants about that. Today. We don't have any evidence of
38:32
Speaker 1: that at all, and to my knowledge, there's no there's
38:36
Speaker 1: no missing there's not that many missing person cases and
38:39
Speaker 1: grants that would account for that. And that's not to
38:42
Speaker 1: say he couldn't have killed him somewhere else, but or
38:44
Speaker 1: something from somewhere else, but certainly in grants we don't.
38:48
Speaker 1: We don't have any evidence of that many people that
38:51
Speaker 1: are that have been missing. In court documents filed today,
38:54
Speaker 1: a witness told police Landon came to her home smelling
38:57
Speaker 1: like bleach, that his hands had cuts and blisters, from cleaning. Now,
39:02
Speaker 1: the DA tells me that they're still searching several locations
39:05
Speaker 1: in the Grants area for forensic evidence. In this case,
39:08
Speaker 1: as we know, the victims don't have to be limited
39:11
Speaker 1: to one county, Grant County. It doesn't have to be
39:15
Speaker 1: that way. These victims are from all over. I mean,
39:18
Speaker 1: think about it, Levipage, Crimaline dot Com investigative reporter. This
39:22
Speaker 1: guy is criss crossed the country. They've got him in Virginia, Missouri,
39:27
Speaker 1: New Mexico, New Jersey. He's everywhere. No telling what bodies
39:31
Speaker 1: he left where and your correct Nancy, and when he
39:35
Speaker 1: killed Michael Dobkowski sixty six years old, beat him to
39:39
Speaker 1: depths with a hammer, took off with his vehicle, his
39:43
Speaker 1: murder victims vehicle, went on the run and had the
39:46
Speaker 1: murder weapon with him still in the vehicle. And there's
39:50
Speaker 1: no telling what sort of crimes he committed along the way.
39:53
Speaker 1: Law enforcement still connecting those dys Esicasto, you were telling
39:57
Speaker 1: me about your nephew, Matthews, I d and clothing. Yes,
40:02
Speaker 1: I know. The guy had got rid of him. He
40:04
Speaker 1: put him in a black trash bag along with his clothes,
40:08
Speaker 1: his ID, his cell phone, and got rid of him,
40:14
Speaker 1: and he didn't have it. He didn't take Matthew's id.
40:17
Speaker 1: He You know, Matthew was a type that if you
40:19
Speaker 1: call them for a right, he would go away. Jake
40:22
Speaker 1: what he needed to go, And I'm thinking maybe that's
40:25
Speaker 1: how we'd ordered him. He asked him he was, He
40:27
Speaker 1: pretended that he was the ex wife and I asked
40:30
Speaker 1: for a right. Could have been that could have been
40:31
Speaker 1: the way he lord. We're going to learn a lot
40:33
Speaker 1: from all of the cell phone data, so I've no
40:37
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind, Cheryl McCallin that there are other victims.
40:40
Speaker 1: He could be absolutely nacy. But I'll give you one
40:42
Speaker 1: thing to think about. When he was captured, he knew
40:45
Speaker 1: Dad um well. He was seasy to go to prison
40:47
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. He's got no cred
40:50
Speaker 1: You killed a woman and three men that you believe
40:54
Speaker 1: was sleeping with her. That just makes you a punk.
40:57
Speaker 1: So he had to come up with a story pretty
40:59
Speaker 1: freaking week to give himself some type of credibility before
41:02
Speaker 1: they lock him up. We'll say, and you're a big
41:04
Speaker 1: time zerio killer with sixteen victims, might just help you out, right,
41:08
Speaker 1: just help him out? What about it? Doctor Bastina. I agree.
41:11
Speaker 1: When I read the story and I was listening to
41:13
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, I was thinking, I think this guy's also
41:15
Speaker 1: a drama queen. Besides being a serial killer, he's a
41:18
Speaker 1: drama queen. And we know with these types of personalities
41:21
Speaker 1: and these profiles that they like to be famous or infamous,
41:27
Speaker 1: they love to be important. So trumping up the number
41:30
Speaker 1: of bodies and how many people they killed, it just
41:33
Speaker 1: keeps the whole investigation going. It makes him the center
41:37
Speaker 1: of attention. It's creating a type of mystique. And you know, look,
41:43
Speaker 1: maybe he did kill that many people, but he's going
41:45
Speaker 1: to make the stories sound a lot more dramatic than
41:48
Speaker 1: they really aren't. What about it, Del Carson, Well, that's
41:50
Speaker 1: him blaming the victims for all of this and why
41:53
Speaker 1: they did things wrong. And I absolutely agree. I mean,
41:56
Speaker 1: the Bureau back in the eighties interviewed a number of
41:59
Speaker 1: serial killer and it wasn't unusual to find that they
42:02
Speaker 1: were triggered by a certain action. For example, a guy
42:05
Speaker 1: takes a lady to a bar, has dinner with her,
42:09
Speaker 1: and she looks at other men, and that's when the
42:11
Speaker 1: serial killer decides he's going to kill that person, So
42:14
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much. And certainly his purported involvement or
42:19
Speaker 1: his belief that Landon's belief that his wife Jennifer will
42:23
Speaker 1: somehow sleeping or involved with other men, is certainly sufficient
42:26
Speaker 1: to cause him to want to kill those people. The
42:29
Speaker 1: catalyst to doctor Michelle Dupree, Doctor Dupre, you've dealt with
42:35
Speaker 1: the autopsies of serial killer victims. I find it really
42:39
Speaker 1: hard to believe these are all of his victims. Nancy.
42:43
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. We do know that
42:46
Speaker 1: they will not stop until they're caught. And the fact
42:50
Speaker 1: that he's confessed to sixteen or save I wonder how
42:53
Speaker 1: many more there are that he hasn't told us about.
42:55
Speaker 1: To the Castillos and these shots. Our prayers go on
42:59
Speaker 1: for you, you and the way that Matthew was lured
43:04
Speaker 1: into this guy's murder. Webb, we wait as justice unfalls.
43:11
Speaker 1: Fancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, Goodbye friend,