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Are Red-Pill Influencers Actually Ugly? An "Expert" DEMONSTRATES | Red Pill Dating · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to Honeybadge or Radio. My name is Ryan Himway Alison,
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  And this is I made this another red Pill relationships dream. Yeah,
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  that's pretty I think. Yeah, I think, I think, I think
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  it's appropriate. I think I think so this is this has something to do
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  with relationships, which is I don't know if you guys have noticed relationships have
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  become pretty politicized. Yes, yes they have. I made a tweet about
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  it. It's kind of an old an old study that I learned. But
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  yes, I mean they're I think more so than people are willing to admit.
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  But yes, dating and relationships are a challenge despite all of the technological
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  progress we've made in our ability to communicate. And so then you know it's
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  like, okay, so all these people are talking about solutions. There there
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  working through what people can do that are looking for, you know, a
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  life partner or to form families or whatever. How do you navigate this landscape
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  you're rather but what I mean by minefield? Of minefield? Yeah, like
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  social, cultural, political, and legal obstructions to you know, people seeking
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  love and family. So what were you going to say, al I was
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  going to say the reason why it's politicized is. I think people have suddenly
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  realized that it has huge implications for the future and also the political landscape if
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  people don't pair up. I know people the conservatives are suddenly a little bit
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  more interested in this issue, and of course their solution is to blame men
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  for the fact that they aren't wiping up women who apparently don't want to be
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  wiped up, but you know, because they've been told all their lives that
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  that is the absolute stupidest thing you could do with your life as a woman.
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  But you know, and so the conservatives are in there, apparently the
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  more liberal end. I would say that I would consider someone like Show to
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  be more well meaning than someone like Alex Syke, who is the author of
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  the article that we are going to be covering. So yes, but we
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  see the left is getting in on this. Maybe they're also realizing that this
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  is this is going to be a problem. So it's it started to it's
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  because it's starting to become not just a minefield like it was before, but
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  also a political minefield. And a lot of people are waking up to the
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  to the issue of population implosion as a result of our society's decision to tell
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  women for several generations that the worst choice they could make as a man.
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  What what do you think was going to happen? Yeah? Like, I
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  mean that you could maybe make the argument that the transgender stuff was going to
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  take us by surprise. I'm not sure how you could make the I mean,
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  you can make it. You could make any argument that holds a little
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  bit more water. But when you construct an entire movement based on the idea
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  that that men are horrible for women, They're toxic for women, They're basically
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  a poison for women, the end result of that is going to be a
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  lot of women not getting into relationships with men, at least not permanent ones.
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  Yeah, And I it just it just seems to be that that is
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  sort of like, you know, you, what is the right way to
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  put this? You you put your finger in the mouse trap, and you
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  trigger the mouse trap mechanism, and the mouse trap snaps on your finger.
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  And it seems like the logical progression of that is similar to the whole let's
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  tell women that men are horrible. Oh wow, there are no way relationship
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  hips forming. We're dealing with population implosion. She's that, Yeah, yes,
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  because you put your finger on the mechanism in the mouse trap. Then
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  it triggered, because that's what it does when you put your finger on it.
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  Yeah, and then it snap closed on your finger. Yeah, that's
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  how That's how how causality works. And everybody's like surprised, and everybody's creating
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  all of these bizarre theories and solutions. Like I said, I mentioned the
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  conservatives are like, well, just man up, you know, wife them
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  up, hit them over the head with a with a with a Well,
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  don't do that because that would be violence. But just just force them through
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  the sheer force of your masculine miasma. Just just hit them, put them
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  in your thrall, and then drag them home and wipe them up. And
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  then and then there's people like Alex psych who latch onto another way of blaming
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  men, which is dude, even though men have a spectrum of personality traits
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  that runs from shop to extroverted, what you need to do is fundamentally all
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  to yourself on a personal like the most intimate level you could imagine, fundamentally
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  with no support. By the way, all I'm gonna do is shame you
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  for not being extroverted. Fundamentally alter yourself fundamentally alter your risk. Your sense
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  of risk ends your conscientiousness, because that's another thing that could impede you from
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  going out and slaying the babe. You know, just fundamentally alter these aspects
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  of yourself and you'll be golden. Mm hmm, okay, thank you,
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  thank you, thank you for these It's not even advice. I think it's
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  just another way of saying, yeah, let's blame men, so we don't
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  we don't have to. We think we're doing something. Yeah, I mean
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  basically nobody's nobody's willing to, you know, go to that, to touch
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  that third rail basically, you know, and be like, well, maybe
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  this is the problem. I mean, some people are like, like I
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  said, you know, I I know that people don't like I don't know
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  why, but I mean I think I know why. But I like that
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  Pearl does it, you know, or at least you know, did for
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  a while. And I see that others do, like Emily King, I
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  think the advocate m Sapi. And there are some and this women and I
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  said for a long time it has to be women. I mean, men
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  should certainly continue to say what they think, but women have to be a
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  part of it because when men do it. You get studies like this,
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  that's what kind of what this is, right, where they try to throw
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  you know, they try to dismiss men on the basis of, oh,
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  you're just not you just haven't read enough of the evil psych books, or
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  you're not you know, doing masculinity well enough, because if you did,
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  you could just gain your women forever. And it's like, well, yeah,
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  maybe the problem isn't that or isn't that alone, but rather, you
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  know, there are other like machines at work, like the state, like
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  these laws, like these things can't be manned out of you know, no,
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  they can't. And also, I would like to add that saying something
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  like fundamentally alter your personality is not really advice and it's not helpful. Yeah,
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  Like I mean, if if you're gonna say that fundamentally alter your personality,
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  okay, action plan, strategy steps, lay it on me, because
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  otherwise all you're doing is saying, let's blame men some more for something that
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  we feel better about, something that we feel is more plastic, which I
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  don't know where they get the idea that personality is more plastic than physical appearance,
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  Like men can get plastic surgery. They can lengthen their legs. It's
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  excruciating, but it's possible. Fundamentally changing your personality, it's a lot more
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  difficult to move at least it is as difficult, right, So I don't
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  think that you're escaping and saying, oh, yeah, well if they just
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  if they just do this, they'll be fine saying it's impossible, Yes,
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  this could be a solution. Maybe change, encourage yourself, become more extroverted,
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  learn how to socialize in like really charming ways, and we could talk
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  about that, but you need to give them an actual game plan, not
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  just tell them, hey, fundamentally alter yourself, Like what what do you
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  do with that? And then the other thing is that when guys do these
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  kinds of improvements, what are they getting at the end, Like, they're
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  still getting the same women who don't want men. They're still getting you gotta
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  or incentivized and encouraged to be entitled. I'm not even saying that they are,
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  but they're certainly encouraged to be to think that. Okay, First of
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  all, they have been indoctrinated to think that the worst voice they can make
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  is a man. So any individual man has to overcome that that that negative
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  campaign that our very society, the very society he lives in, has conducted
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  against him as a partner for a woman. This everywhere, like, you
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  know, you can't open a freaking Guardian or Times article without seeing somebody explaining
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  once again for the ompteenth time, how awful men are for women. I
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  mean, it's our culture is utterly saturated and how awful men are. There's
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  an entire branch of academic study devoted to how awful men are, and men
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  are supposed to overcome that rather than us just knocking it off, you know,
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  like, if we don't want to disappear, if we don't want the
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  human race to disappear, we gotta knock this shit off. We can't just
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  the and the gones. Honest to god truth is that men can't overcome that
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  because that requires my Doggo has decided to comment as well. Can you hear
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  him? No? I don't hear him. Okay, Well, apparently it's
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  not picking up canine. He's just I don't know, maybe he was saying,
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  preach it, sister, but you're asking men to overcome the social proof
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  that they're awful, right, all of the people, this whole social landscape
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  that is self reinforcing about how awful men are. Is is it has a
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  lot more social proof than the stray man who's just walking down the street and
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  sees a woman he likes, right, and he says, oh, maybe
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  I'll go up and talk to her. What social proof does he have?
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  None? And yet he's expected to go up against this entire narrative that has
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  an unbelievably huge, dense web of social proof of people saying and greeting and
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  emphasizing and amplify you see what I'm saying, Like the social proof in our
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  society, Like what we as a society have put our social proof behind is
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  the idea that men are terrible for women. It's really hard for a man
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  to overcome that unless he has like, uh oh yeah, I'm part of
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  this. Uh I got social proof in this community in his pocket, which
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  might look a little weird, but anyway, I'm just putting that out there.
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  There's some shit that we need to resolve to. We can't just be
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  like, oh, it's all men, it's all on men. Well we
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  can, It's just that that's not gonna change a damn thing. Like honestly,
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  like we do what Alex Syke says, we do what the conservatives say
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  five in five years, the problem will be worse. Ten years, the
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  problem will be worse. Twenty years, the Conservatives probably at today will no
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  longer exist as that all of the conservative will be disappear because the Party of
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  single women will be that much more powerful. Like the more the more,
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  uh, the more we increase the number of single women, the more powerful
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  the party of single women becomes. The less Conservatives get a toe hold until
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  they reverse that, until they they actually start dealing with the problem rather than
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  just blaming them. Okay, that was a long long it has toprhand.
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  We haven't even gotten into the intro or anything yet, but well to do
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  that anyway, No, you know what it's gonna be right, it's Alex
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  Site talked about him before. Yeah, we have Okay, So anyway,
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  get send us something to tell us we're not screaming into the void.
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  All right, well we did. We did get something yesterday, like last
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  night, and I thought I would read it. Well, it's there's nothing
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  to read. It was just a super chow from an anonymous person for fifty
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  dollars. So thank you anonymous person. And you said yesterday that someone named
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  what was it yesterday, Yeah, someone named Randall to attend a super chow.
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  Randall stuck. Yeah, you said in the tubes. Yeah, it's
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  stuck in the tubes. It's stuck in the tubes. I can double check
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  make sure. Yeah, I think it's probably usually after about an hour,
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  it's permanently stuck in the tubes, like those tubes aren't going anywhere, or
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  you know, the blockage is not going anywhere. Okay, this was yesterday,
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  this was last night. Yeah, I can check again. Okay,
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  but if you want us to read your super chow, just resend it ran
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  Randall, because you did put a lot of this. This fifty dollars super
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  child came in like just under an hour after it got stuck. So I'm
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  wondering that's what it was or that's something else. No, it's something else.
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  It's something else. All right, with that done? Yeah, let's
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  uh's all right? Well, yeah, let's take a look at this article
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  again. Send the super child super chats, rumble rants, and I'll be
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  sure to I'll be sure to read them out and shout out to the rumble
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  gang. Okay, so let's take a look at this. This is from
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  a website called date psychology dot com. I think this is Alex Syke's website.
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  Isn't it weird? Yeah, I'm gonna let me let me share it
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  with you right now, hold on, yeah, you can look at it.
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  Okay. Isn't it weird that this guy I'm not saying he doesn't exist
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  or anything, but he just he just kind of like is at the front
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  of the conversation now like suddenly then something. Isn't that weird? Like we've
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  been doing this for years and years and years never heard of this guy,
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  and then like in the last like six months, it's been like alex zychew,
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  that's what we've been We've been this through this like ten years. How
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  many times have we seen something like this happen? Yeah, Like you know,
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  they get to the front of the conversation. They say exactly the same
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  thing that we've been heard heard like five years ago. Nothing happens in the
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  intervening five years like nothing, Like, nothing is going to be solved by
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  what this guy is saying. But let's go through it. Let's go through
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  it. So it is weird. He has an article which is kind of
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  weird entitled how Attractive are red Pill Influencers? Rating from a large sample?
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  So this immediately rings some alarm bells for me. Okay, like why does
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  this matter? Like why does it matter that there is a uh like a
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  poll or a rating or something that happened. I haven't even read this article
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  yet. I'm just going off of the headlines. So maybe I'm wrong.
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  I apologize, but I welcome being wrong about things. But why what does
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  this what is this supposed to prove? Because if random people are rating guys
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  that are red pill influencers, that maybe, like whether or not they find
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  them attractive seems irrelevant because it comes down to like how effective are their techniques
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  if we're talking about like PUA types or what if we're just talking about people
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  who care about the legal problems or the political problems and they're part of the
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  red pill space. Does their attractiveness matter, Like if you're talking about child
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  custody or false allegations or a number of political problems, you know, fatherlessness,
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  et cetera, child abuse, domestic violence, does your looks matter that
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  much? Like? It makes me wonder what this is really about, you
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  know, b X or BEX. She said that she thinks that this guy,
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  Alex Syke, is a FED. I'm just saying that she thinks it.
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  I'm not saying that it is or not. She just says that if
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  he isn't one, he certainly knows like a lot of people in his circle
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  are FEDS. So that's just something worth pointing out, especially since this guy
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  has been like around a lot, and especially since this Department of Homeland Security
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  thing. I'm wondering if he's not part of that red that redirecting effort,
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  you know what I mean. I mean, I'm just wondering. I'm you
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  know, speculating. I'm not the brightest bulb. I'm not a genius.
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  I'm just putting it out there. Maybe I'm wrong, you know, don't
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  don't tasee me, bro like whatever. I'm just saying this. It's a
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  little bit. It's a little bit weird, just a little bit, sus,
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  that's all anyway, Okay, doesn't even like he doesn't even have to
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  be fed like you. No, he could be an asset, I mean
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  whatever, not even just an asset. He could just be a guy doing
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  the same damn thing. It's like, yeah, I can't emphasize this enough.
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  I can't emphasize this enough. If you put your finger on the mouse
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  trap the trigger and snaps closed, don't like, and you keep doing this,
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  that's gonna be the outcome. If you continue to blame men for this
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  problem, you are not going to solve it. Yeah, Like it's just
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  And furthermore, if you say, well, this is within men's ability to
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  change, If you don't give men a clear set of steps to actually attain
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  what you're saying they need to attain, you're not gonna solve it. Right.
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  It's it's it's like the it's just like patriarchy theory. Well, how
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  do men stop being evil? Well, feminism doesn't tell you aside from just
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  doing what we say when we say it, because you can't, you can't
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  can Actually, we're not going to give you a list of steps because then
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  we beheld to them, and we don't know if we want you to do
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  step A tomorrow. We might want you to do Step nine A tomorrow.
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  We just want you to do what we say. And it's like, this
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  is the same thing if somebody is going to if someone comes to you and
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  says, I advocate for lonely men, and he's starting with shaming them and
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  giving them no actual clear steps to attain what he says they need to attain.
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  He has not a helpful voice. He's not going to change anything.
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  The needle is not going to be moved by Alex Saik And the fact that
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  he gets so much attention just shows how much is given to people who will
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  not move the needle, people who give more comfortable lies about the situation rather
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  than saying as what it is what they actually see, and that's what people
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  want to hear. That's either what people want to hear or that's what Astro
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  turfed into the great, the biggest voice. But again, he's not gonna
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  move the needle. It's this problem's gonna be worse than five years. It's
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  gonna be worse. There are gonna be more single women, there are gonna
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  be more lonely men. Ten years, it's gonna be even worse. Like
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  right now, you guys continue doing this, we are gonna have a demographic
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  collapse the end. If the if you guys continue to listen to Alex Syke
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  and you continue to blame the conservatives, continue to blame men, nothing will
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  be solved, and we're gonna have a demographic collapse the end. Like it's
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  you keep hitting the trigger mechanism of the mouse trap, and it's gonna keep
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  snapping closed on you. That's all that's ever gonna happen. All right,
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  all right, so I got a super chat or my other metaphor was you
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  keep pushing the poll door. You keep pushing the poll door. You're gonna
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  it's You're not gonna be solving anything. You're just gonna continue to be cut
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  out in the cold. Right yep, So Iggy Thunders gave us five bucks.
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  Thank you, Iggy Thunders and says coming on to Rando's is a primary
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  dating culture, is a twentieth century institution. EUA Pecker flexing is just that
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  strategy's death rattle. Okay, thank you for that. Eg Thunders appreciate it.
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  But he has like a man bun and like a braided beard. I
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  mean, he's clearly like a woman's man. And this is not a costume.
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  This is not cosplay. You should have a fur coat and like a
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  cane. But anyway, let's get into the article. How attractive are red
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  pill influencers ratings from a large sample? How attractive are the top pill influencers?
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  A large sample of men and women rate them? What was that this
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  is? I said, this is so caddy. I know it is a
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  bit right. It is like I wanted to say something. Okay, okay,
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  go ahead. I don't necessarily agree with red Pillars on most anything,
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  and I think that they think we're beyond the pale. In some cases,
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  I'm pretty sure they disavowed us as well. I wouldn't say that, you
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  know, like we're I guess we're not red pillars. I don't think we're
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  black pillars either. Look, I think I agree with you, but I
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  think people like this will lump us in with him. Anyways, we get
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  linked in with these people regardless, so we're kind of like kind of the
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  fact that they lump he lumps red pillars in with black pillars already tells you
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  that he does not do his research because a guy like Okay, I know
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  it's gonna make some people mad, but like somebody like a like an Andrew
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  Tate, it would be considered a red pillar. He's not unsuccessful with women,
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  like it or not. He does fine. Somebody who's an in cell
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  does not do fine. These things are very different, Okay. And a
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  woman who says she's not attracted to a guy like that most is probably not
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  not in every case, but a lot of them are not being completely honest
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  because he is successful, like it or not. So I don't I think
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  the framing, the general framing of this whole thing is a little bit suspicious,
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  but I haven't read it yet, so I'm gonna I'm gonna save my
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  final judgment until after Okay. Okay, So red pills, black pills,
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  and physical attractiveness? What was that? Okay? No, the hetisphere has
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  within it the ideological subcultures of the red pill and the black pill. The
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  red pills will form a fringe folk psychology. So folk psychology meaning not real
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  psychology. I guess, like like superstition regarding intersexual dynamics and dating, a
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  black pill is the belief that physical attractiveness is paramount in romantic and sexual success.
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  The red pill is an ideology associated with male dating coaches and podcasters.
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  A black pill is closely associated with the in cell subculture. All Right,
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  does anyone have take any issue with that? So far? Are these definitions
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  fair? I think that a black pill is not just about physical attractiveness,
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  but that's what he's saying. I think that the black pill is kind of
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  like they're saying that there's it's a mix of not feeling attractive to women,
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  either physically or in any other way. They don't have the status, They
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  struggle with stuff, maybe they got you know, disabilities or whatever, and
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  that takes them out of the gene pool. And that's just the way it
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  is. I think that it does in many cases take them, take most
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  of those guys out of the gene pool. Just like a woman that's growing,
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  you know, hair on her face will probably get taken out of the
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  gene pool, like be less likely to find someone that's that's not defeatist.
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  In many cases, if that's just your lot, it's just a matter of
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  like are you gonna be able to find gratification in life? But the other
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  thing is is that maybe it's not your physical attractiveness. Maybe it's your personality,
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  maybe it's your hobbies, maybe they just they maybe what women want is
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  like just too you know, out of reach for the average man, and
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  so a lot more men are being like left behind because women have crazy standards.
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  Like there's a number of reasons, but he seems to just boil it
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  down to physical attractiveness being paramount. Well, he boils it down to well,
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  no, he doesn't say that physical attraction. No, he's saying the
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  Yeah, he says that the that's what the black pill guys think. But
• 25:33
  I'm saying it's more than that. I'm saying I think it's more than that.
• 25:37
  Huh. Oh, I would agree, I know we is. Yeah.
• 25:41
  But the thing is if he sets it up as well the black Pills,
• 25:45
  to believe that physical attractive is this paramount and romantic and sexual success,
• 25:48
  then it makes it easier for him to knock that down. Oh no,
• 25:53
  go ahead. That's really obnoxious because he's basically saying who his opponents are,
• 26:00
  Yeah, and he's going he's set before her. That's what I'm saying,
• 26:07
  it's the red pill. Yeah, go ahead. The thing is that I
• 26:11
  don't know if you would classify us as black pill. But we have said
• 26:15
  in the past, both you and me, that personality is paramount. Yeah,
• 26:21
  I think over attractiveness. I think so, you know, it's like,
• 26:25
  the the ability to generate a warm and charming social experience is going to
• 26:30
  get you further than looking like Ted Bundy, although maybe I shouldn't have sent
• 26:37
  it that way because he got pretty far. Yeah, okay, you did.
• 26:41
  You did do well like those kind of men. I'm just saying they
• 26:47
  do like those kind of men, but they do, they do. It's
• 26:52
  thing, huh, I'm the thing. It's not that, but I'm saying
• 26:56
  it's it is true. And I think, like, if we're gonna talk
• 27:00
  about because here's the thing. What I don't like that I see a lot
• 27:03
  people are always trying to make women's decisions about the men that they sleep with
• 27:10
  or interested in. They always try to make them as innocent and say or
• 27:18
  acceptable as possible. Like they're always like, well, this is why,
• 27:23
  by the way, single motherhood and all these other things get excused so much
• 27:26
  because the women never like are never expected to not only have standards or have
• 27:36
  good standards, like you know, not just like standards of like oh he
• 27:38
  should have money and be able to, like, I don't know, protect
• 27:41
  me or whatever, but also like what are his You know that they should
• 27:45
  have expectations of what their values are and what their principles are and if they're
• 27:48
  honorable, and and that in return they will they will give the same back
• 27:52
  et cetera. Right, and instead when when you see and I've seen countless
• 27:57
  discussions about things like you know, child custody or single motherhood, and you
• 28:03
  bring up single motherhood and women will almost always, even if they've never experienced
• 28:08
  themselves, they'll say, well, the men right that these women had children
• 28:12
  with, they weren't good men because they didn't stick around. That make some
• 28:15
  dead beats. This whole deadbeat dad narrative is based on this idea that women
• 28:19
  have no ability, no ability to suss out men like and they can't make
• 28:25
  judgments, and that means that any opinion they have on a man is there's
• 28:30
  always a justified way of looking at it. So when I say Ted Bundy
• 28:36
  was popular with women, or these serial killers are very popular with women,
• 28:40
  these criminals, I'm not. What I'm saying is is that we know that
• 28:44
  women are drawn to this, so maybe we should be like trying to like
• 28:48
  tell them, hey, before you open your legs for this guy, maybe
• 28:53
  you should consider whether or not he's a good man like this, Like women
• 28:56
  are not instinct lady, do a bab boon instinct? Check? Are you
• 29:03
  are you living out your baboon instincts or are you actually like a you're you're
• 29:07
  actually a human or you're actually acting out women? Because we get into this
• 29:11
  eternal thing of like you know, like un, I guess you could say,
• 29:17
  un, they're okay before I there's a lot of men that want to
• 29:21
  be fathers. I would say most men want to be fathers, and they
• 29:23
  want to raise their own children, and they want to be involved. I
• 29:26
  think that's the that's probably the overwhelming majority of men and women. But in
• 29:33
  the case there are men, There are evil men in the world. There
• 29:37
  are men who will who will like you know, act like there are they're
• 29:41
  they they're not responsible for anyone, none of their actions matter. They will
• 29:45
  make babies and run off. They won't take care of them. Those men
• 29:48
  absolutely exist, Okay. The problem is is that women keep sucking them,
• 29:52
  so like what they have to do, what we have to do is we
• 29:56
  have to say, ladies, that guy if this is not what you want,
• 30:00
  then don't fuck him. Like you have some standards and not just like
• 30:04
  crazy standards like six figures, six feet, six pack, I mean,
• 30:08
  like, you know, I want to be with a man who's gonna stands
• 30:11
  when it comes to character. Yeah, like look like. And the thing
• 30:15
  is, we never we never asked that of women. This is why they're
• 30:18
  doing whatever, And then they're like shorgging, like I didn't know he was
• 30:19
  a serial killer until he killed my till I kill my ex boyfriend because he
• 30:22
  came visiting, like that whole Hunter avalone thing, where like you know,
• 30:27
  the girl's ex boyfriend showed up at Hunter's house to murder him because he was
• 30:33
  jealous or something. Right, I don't know the whole story, but the
• 30:36
  point is, why was she fucking a guy that was likely to go off
• 30:38
  and try to kill her boyfriend because she broke up with it? Like there
• 30:42
  were signs. I know, there are signs, like when you meet people,
• 30:45
  there are signs, there are ways to suss people out, and we
• 30:49
  don't ever ask this of women. We never ask it. And so it's
• 30:52
  a really really big one that you can tell if you're sussing out a guy,
• 30:56
  Yeah, a bad man. Look at how he treats other men.
• 31:02
  Yeah, look at how he treats other men. Absolutely, But like women.
• 31:06
  That's the thing though, like like I guess what I'm I feel like
• 31:10
  I'm going off like too long with a tangent. But my my ultimate point
• 31:14
  is that I don't have a problem calling out women's bad taste in bad men
• 31:18
  because we don't do that. We all we do is excuse it, excuse
• 31:21
  it, excuse it, and so it keeps happening. And then we're like,
• 31:25
  why are there so many single mothers? Why? And then of course
• 31:27
  the worst of the men, the worst men, are the ones that get
• 31:30
  rewarded with the sex and the reproduction. And then what happens when people look
• 31:36
  at society and they're not looking at the women's choices, but what they do
• 31:41
  they just blame men as a whole. This is all a man problem.
• 31:45
  It's like, no, it's a bad man problem, and it's also a
• 31:48
  woman problem for rewarding those bad men with reproductive success, Like why is it
• 31:55
  that you know good men? The framework of this article, the framework of
• 32:00
  this article, to get it back into here, yea framework of this article
• 32:04
  is trying to take the issue that the Black pillars say, Okay, what
• 32:09
  do women want? What do they say they want? For God's sake,
• 32:13
  six pack six foot figures. Okay, we already know from statistics that if
• 32:22
  men earned another half again of what they earn on average, now more of
• 32:27
  them would be married. So money is a huge and it's also a big
• 32:30
  contributing factor for divorce. Right, so we know that this is the stuff
• 32:36
  that women want, but we are not allowed to do like the whole thing.
• 32:40
  And this is what's so frustrating about. It's like watching these people make
• 32:44
  the same mistake over and over and over again. They blame men for it.
• 32:47
  So the Black Pillars are saying, this is what women want. We're
• 32:52
  not capable of giving this to women, you know, and nobody really is
• 32:55
  because we need like two other earths to provide the material goods to make women
• 33:00
  want to mate, which is just that would be a disaster. Okay,
• 33:04
  we can't do that. Women have to control their material desires here otherwise we're
• 33:08
  gonna kill our planet. But regardless if it, like like literally, we're
• 33:14
  at the stage that if we were to get all of these women partnered up,
• 33:17
  we need another Earth and a half to fulfill their desires, right,
• 33:22
  and and that's not tenable. It's not tenable. But the black pillars are
• 33:28
  saying this is what we see women want. Men like Alex Syke are saying,
• 33:32
  no, what's actually happening is you just don't have the character like women
• 33:37
  want character and you don't have it. And and that's just another way of
• 33:43
  blaming men. At some point we have to recognize the truth. Because it's
• 33:49
  funny because when I read history, they recognize the truth. They'll talk about,
• 33:53
  for example, Viking society and they'll talk about the pressure that was play
• 34:00
  based on Viking society because women were had, there was poly polygyny, and
• 34:05
  women were preferring men who came back with armloads of booty. Right. That
• 34:12
  created a lot of men with no prospects. And what did those men do.
• 34:16
  They went out on raiding parties, they formed armies, they conquered lands,
• 34:22
  they took slave girls. Right, that's that's the and there and there.
• 34:24
  And the historians are like, yeah, the pressure, the selective the
• 34:29
  mating, selective pressure placed on men constructed this. But we can't say that
• 34:32
  in our society, women are creating selective pressure on men. Mm hm.
• 34:39
  They are creating an underclass of men who will never have children because of a
• 34:45
  certain expectations that realistically men can't fulfill. And if they did, we would
• 34:51
  be facing an ecological catastrophe that would make Greta thurn Bug turn death Thurnberg blush
• 35:01
  like, they would just make her melt down. Right at that point,
• 35:06
  we really have to ask ourselves, Okay, uh, the only way we
• 35:09
  can get women paired up is if we if we completely sacrifice the earth that
• 35:14
  we rely on to survive at plus another earth and another half of Earth.
• 35:17
  That's the only way we can get these women to pair up. Maybe we
• 35:22
  should Maybe, ladies, maybe you should just reel it back. Yeah,
• 35:29
  maybe your expectations are a little bit too severe. The only way that's exactly
• 35:34
  right and the only way. I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to
• 35:37
  just blame women. I mean that, but women have to come at least
• 35:39
  like halfway. Jesus, Like, we're not even able to bring it up
• 35:44
  like i'd like to. I'd like to table. We can bring it up.
• 35:46
  Question, I'd like to table. We can bring it up in any
• 35:51
  era except our own. You will see historians talking about the selective pressure that
• 35:55
  women place on men and how it causes certain social phenomenon. They'll talk about
• 36:01
  it in the past, but somewhere in the nineteen fifties we stop being able
• 36:06
  to talk about it. Okay, let's let's get another paradis. Let's getting
• 36:08
  the article so masturbating at this point, Trying to pin down a simple definition
• 36:14
  of the red pills like trying to pin down a singular definition of woke.
• 36:16
  Actually, no, it's easy. Woke is critical consciousness. Postmodernist frameworks such
• 36:22
  as the red pill or the woke do not lend themselves well to straightforward descriptions.
• 36:27
  Both have high internal ideological heterogeneity. Denizens of both ideological communities will tell
• 36:32
  you it's not that that is not the red pill or that is not woke,
• 36:37
  but anyone familiar with the lands came recognized both easily. Oh my god,
• 36:40
  this guy, this guy, he exists on the ninth dimension with an
• 36:45
  IQ of a billion, the most intelligent person I've ever seen. Because he
• 36:50
  criticizes both sides. I love them both sides thing, I love it making.
• 36:54
  Why don't you instead of like trying to throw people into categories, how
• 36:58
  about this? How about you list off the stuff that you agree with that
• 37:00
  you hear coming from the red pill side, and then you list off the
• 37:05
  stuff you disagree with, and then just refute the stuff that you disagree with,
• 37:07
  but you make sure that this is actually ship that the red pill side
• 37:10
  has said. How about that? How about we just do that? How
• 37:13
  about we deal with the things instead of like, oh, this box is
• 37:16
  really weird and this other box is also weird. But I don't use boxes
• 37:22
  except to put other people in them, you know, I don't use boxes
• 37:25
  like just box. I'm not in a box. I am beyond the box.
• 37:30
  I am the I am. I am in the eleventh dimension looking at
• 37:34
  you mortals over here squabbling over silly things like the sides. Sorry, but
• 37:40
  there are people and never mind, I'm just gonna stop there. There's there's
• 37:46
  basically two he's he's in the like he's in a box. Like he doesn't
• 37:51
  want to say it, but he's obviously in the box of blaming men.
• 37:54
  That's the box. Like, that's the box he's in the Yeah, there's
• 37:59
  really no No, I'm beyond that, guys. I'm way passed. It's
• 38:01
  not even a box. Yeah, it's not even a box. What it
• 38:06
  is is just an unexamined impulse for gamma bias, if you want to call
• 38:10
  it gamma bias, which is just assuming the worst of men and the best
• 38:14
  of women. Right, that's what it is. Women are wonderful. It's
• 38:17
  an unexamined bias, right, He's acting it out. So there are people
• 38:23
  who act out this unexamined bias, and then there are those who have examined
• 38:29
  it. There's no box because people who are acting out the unexamined bias could
• 38:36
  at any moment say, hmm, why is it that I'm always blaming men
• 38:40
  and women are never to blame. And yet women are empowered somehow in my
• 38:45
  cosmology, despite the fact that they can do nothing to affect any outcome,
• 38:51
  they can at any moment they can stop and say wait, what am I
• 38:52
  doing and actually actually recognize that women do have an effect. And the funny
• 39:00
  thing is, again, you look in history, you look in the analysis
• 39:04
  of history, and you see that you see the recognition of the effect of
• 39:08
  women on society. But for some reason, we can't apply that to today.
• 39:15
  It's just like it's like every contentious political issue, we can't think about
• 39:20
  it logically in the moment. What we can think about it, you know,
• 39:23
  like all the contentious political issues from the nineteen fifties. Now we can
• 39:28
  talk about it, you know, the Grassy Knoll whatever else, But then
• 39:32
  you can't talk about it. It's like we can recognize guy centrism in the
• 39:37
  past, but not at this moment, not when it matters. Okay,
• 39:44
  yep, so I got a super chow from Great Indoors and he says for
• 39:52
  ten dollars, Brian, last time you said you had watched some of the
• 39:55
  video by the professor in psychology I posted in recommendations. Yeah, I saw
• 39:59
  that on my in my list here of things to watch. And at the
• 40:02
  end of that video he refers to a link to quote brown groundbreaking work and
• 40:08
  quote done by a university in British Columbia. There might be some interesting stuff
• 40:13
  to look at just the tip. Well, thank you for that. I
• 40:15
  will I will definitely check it out. We have lots of things to do,
• 40:22
  we have lots of content, so all right, So anyway, making
• 40:28
  things easier for everyone, there is no shortages of influencers who self label as
• 40:31
  red pilled. We can simply look to the influencers who call themselves red pilled
• 40:36
  and take them for their word. Black and red pill ideologies are occasionally at
• 40:39
  odds with one another. The black pill places a nearly exclusive and total emphasis
• 40:45
  on physical attractiveness while denying the role of personality and producing romantic outcomes. Conversely,
• 40:50
  red pill communities overlap with pickup artistry or learning game. They are personality
• 40:57
  centered. Within the ideological framework of the red hill, men can learn to
• 41:00
  become successful with women by modifying their behavior are becoming more alpha most go ahead,
• 41:07
  all right, I want him to look at like recognize that there is
• 41:15
  those who blame men and those who are willing to include women in the blame.
• 41:22
  And that's I mean, the red pillars. I wonder if you go,
• 41:28
  I wonder if he is going to have a thing that says, well,
• 41:30
  here's here's the here's the other half of the equation. Yeah, or
• 41:35
  even discuss what his side or whatever side he's on the other side, Well,
• 41:39
  where is the analysis of the left advice for men? Or well,
• 41:45
  they don't really have much aside from bootstrap pick yourself up by your bootstraps,
• 41:52
  okay, being at a pressor or stop raping women. How about how about
• 41:58
  give us your stuff? Yeah, I've seen it, Okay, So most
• 42:06
  let me see, most red pill influences claim to be successful with women.
• 42:08
  A few claim to have astronomical body counts or past sexual partner numbers, even
• 42:14
  despite no receipts pick up artists terminology for proof it's not just pick up artist
• 42:19
  terminology. Receipts is kind of like modern slang lingo but okay, or even
• 42:23
  despite having been married for decades. There is no way to verify their claims.
• 42:29
  Fitting for a postmodernist ideology, trust be bro is the order of the
• 42:32
  day. And if other men believe the war stories of red pill influencer,
• 42:37
  is it simply because they want to. There is no rational or evidentiary reason
• 42:42
  to believe them. And given the extent to which their popularity rests on their
• 42:45
  claims to being successful with women, we should expect them to have motivation to
• 42:50
  exaggerate or lie if the court, well me possibly, I mean, like,
• 42:55
  so a lot of guys are out here trying to sell a product.
• 42:59
  Is this study? Is this like being being presented as a study, or
• 43:02
  just it is ratings from a large sample? So yeah, that's ship.
• 43:09
  Yeah, we'll see, Well there is there I can go. You want
• 43:12
  me to fast forward? This is basically like the where he's giving all of
• 43:15
  the background on stuff. Let's let's go to the let's just my dog,
• 43:22
  my dog's dread enemy. The appyilator courier is here. Okay, got it,
• 43:25
  I gotta go. No, just read some more, Just read more.
• 43:31
  All right, I'm gonna read I got another super child, So I'm
• 43:35
  gonna read that. Why didn't it come up on my uh chat? Oh?
• 43:38
  There it is, there it is. Yeah, I did. I'm
• 43:43
  gonna read this other super child, so thank you? Tell him. Nar
• 43:47
  gives us fifty dollars. Thank you, sir, and says some traits of
• 43:52
  a psychopath superficial charm, impulsivity, callous In the modern dating sphere, being
• 43:59
  superficially charming is far more important than it used to be. Impulsivity and callousness
• 44:04
  allows a psychopathic man to give a woman an emotional rollercoaster. Extremes of emotion,
• 44:09
  good or bad also very important. Therefore, the current social setup favors
• 44:14
  the success of more psychopathic men, at least in the short term. Well
• 44:19
  if you're just trying to get laid right. This gives the modern woman the
• 44:23
  impression that men are more likely to be psychopaths than they actually are. This,
• 44:28
  in my opinion, is caused by feminism liberating romance and sex from traditional
• 44:32
  restrictions. That's true. Feminists promise this would improve how well behaved and happy
• 44:38
  everyone would be. Instead, it made it harder for the non psychopaths to
• 44:43
  function and made it easier for psychopaths to those function and get away with bad
• 44:47
  behavior. Instead of making rules that restrict everyone but make bad behavior harder to
• 44:52
  get away with, they relax restrictions in search of happiness and liberation and were
• 44:58
  surprised when bad behavi became more common. So as, so far as I
• 45:02
  can tell, none of them are even remotely aware of this fact. But
• 45:06
  to me it's pretty obvious. Well, thank you for that. Yes,
• 45:09
  it's true. You know, there's a saying that men want a girl who
• 45:17
  is good to everyone but bad for them, and I mean bad like in
• 45:23
  a sexual way. And women want a man who is bad to everyone but
• 45:28
  good to them. That's sort of like the psyche. It's like, you
• 45:30
  know, when these women get in these guys that have like you know,
• 45:34
  they're thugs, their criminals, they're you know, they're willing to use violence,
• 45:38
  especially in like lower income areas. You know, like where I grew
• 45:44
  up, the guys who were thuggish and violent were more successful with women because
• 45:47
  they were able to use their violence to make the women feel safe. And
• 45:52
  they were also useful for those women who were also like getting into confrontations with
• 45:58
  other women. I'll go get my boyfriend and he'll kick your ass, that
• 46:00
  kind of thing, and that, and that's what they wanted. They wanted
• 46:04
  a man who would be like like almost like an attack dog for them when
• 46:07
  they wanted, or violent or cruel to other people, but warm for just
• 46:13
  them. And and I think you're right about that when you said that the
• 46:16
  monarch, because you know, this whole thing, this this dating scene that
• 46:21
  we're experiencing or even like when I was younger, it's all very new.
• 46:24
  Like you know, most people or most of history were basically in arranged relationships.
• 46:31
  I wouldn't. I don't mean like from birth you know who you're gonna
• 46:35
  marry, but more like you know, you were more likely or most likely
• 46:38
  to get involved with and marry someone who was in your community, who you
• 46:44
  know, who's families knew each other, and you went to the same things.
• 46:47
  You went to the same you know, picnics, barbecues, events,
• 46:52
  churches, whatever, clubs, and you know, that was where you would
• 46:55
  meet your partners in most cases, and only recently, and I don't mean
• 47:00
  like even before the internet, but when the dating thing was like the way
• 47:06
  that you you know, even before when when when men and women were dating,
• 47:10
  it was very like, you know, structured, like the girl would
• 47:16
  meet the boy in school and then maybe he would go to her house and
• 47:20
  meet her parents or vice versa. So it was like, you know,
• 47:24
  it was very structured, and so you didn't you you you weren't necessarily seeing
• 47:30
  those kind of men because those kind of men wouldn't be successful because the girl's
• 47:35
  dad would be like no way, right, or or in the reverse,
• 47:37
  you know, if there was a girl who was like toxic in some way,
• 47:40
  or she was gonna be emotionally abusive, like the mom or the dad
• 47:45
  would notice it and call it out and say, son, I'm sorry,
• 47:47
  you can't, you can't date her or whatever, right, But we don't
• 47:51
  have that now. It's all like a free for it's a free for all,
• 47:54
  and so you're gonna get a lot of people missing the mark. It's
• 47:59
  also like not really great for women too. And this is where you know,
• 48:02
  we can talk about because if you think about it, all of the
• 48:06
  vetting is on women, and well because parents or something like. It should
• 48:13
  be that the problem is that we've gone from a situation where people know each
• 48:17
  other, which is what I think what you're getting at with the arrangement is
• 48:21
  that you know this person, family knows, you grew up with them,
• 48:23
  right. Yeah, they're vetted, their their their morality, their ethics,
• 48:28
  their behavior. Everybody has a sense of each other. And the boy is
• 48:35
  vetted as well as the girl. So it's not all on women to vet
• 48:40
  men, So that that's something I would sympathize with women. A lot of
• 48:44
  stuff sort of comes down all on women. I'm not saying that they're doing
• 48:47
  a very good job of it, and I'm certainly not saying that when they
• 48:51
  fail that it isn't really their responsibility. But on the other hand, they
• 48:54
  have they don't have the support of the community that they used to. So
• 48:59
  what are they looking for when and when you take women out of a supportive
• 49:02
  community, what are they gonna end up looking for? Well, they're gonna
• 49:06
  end up looking for the baddest what motherfucker whatever, whatever, like get some
• 49:10
  wet basically like whatever well, not just wet, but what they find exciting
• 49:15
  though, like you know, yeah, exciting, but also whatever they find
• 49:22
  protective. Is what what I'm getting at is women's I think women's choices in
• 49:25
  partners change depending on their social circumstance. And I think this is actually proven.
• 49:30
  If they're in a community that's supportive, they're gonna probably want a man
• 49:36
  who has those community values, and they're gonna be able to find them because
• 49:39
  they'll have the community, you know, helping them out or vetting right,
• 49:44
  and their families. If they're in a situation where they're in complete isolation,
• 49:49
  which is what we've done, now, what are they going to look for?
• 49:52
  They're gonna look for someone with the greatest amount of power because they're no
• 49:58
  longer predicted by a community. So it's it's like we've put we we've put
• 50:02
  this this narrow laser focus on the man and the woman, and it's it's
• 50:07
  almost like, yeah, as much as I want to say, like and
• 50:12
  again, I know that women have responsibility, but on the other hand,
• 50:16
  you know, we're putting women in a situation or women are in a situation
• 50:22
  that would incline them towards wanting the most powerful man they can get and because
• 50:30
  they are not in a protective community. Do you see what I'm going to
• 50:35
  getting it? Yeah? Yeah, And no nobody wants to talk about that
• 50:38
  either. Nobody wants to really nobody wants to dig into this and really understand
• 50:44
  the factors. Yeah, I mean what we get is this. Let's let's
• 50:47
  keep let's keep reading this. Lukewarm dog vomit. All right, All right,
• 50:52
  So I'm jumping ahead to another section because I was reading Telenar's Gigantic super
• 50:57
  Child, But thank you for that. Halo effects Liking and perceptions of attractiveness.
• 51:05
  Dion at All nineteen seventy two classically identified the halo effect the observation that
• 51:08
  we perceive physically attractive individuals that have more positive character traits. The halo effect
• 51:15
  is bidirectional. We also perceive individuals who we see positively as more attractive,
• 51:21
  so it goes both. You know, we think that more attractive people are
• 51:24
  better people. We also think that better people are more attractive people. It's
• 51:29
  what he's saying. In other words, if someone likes you, then they
• 51:31
  will tend to rate you as more physically attractive. If someone doesn't like you,
• 51:35
  then they will rate you as less attractive. This is something that everyone
• 51:38
  who has a picture on social media has experienced. If someone calls me unattractive
• 51:43
  on social media, it is always within the context of a hostile debate.
• 51:46
  This is something to keep in mind for public figures on social media. If
• 51:50
  someone doesn't like you, then they will insult your physical appearance. Conversely,
• 51:53
  I have also received compliments on my physique from women who have sworn that they
• 51:58
  don't like muscular slash bodybuilder physiques. The halo effect is also the horns effect.
• 52:04
  The same traits are perceived differently by the same people based on how they
• 52:07
  see you as a person. So it's an opposite effect. All right,
• 52:12
  So we get that, let's find Okay, So here we go. I'll
• 52:15
  skip up a paragraph here. Women in general see the manisphere as odious and
• 52:21
  repulsive. Using a vignette of manisphere beliefs, I found that the manisphere vignette
• 52:25
  was rated the lowest in attractiveness by women. It also gave more women the
• 52:30
  ick than any other vignette. In fact, even conservative women were more willing
• 52:36
  to date a male feminist than they were to date a manisphere guy. So
• 52:39
  why is that? Though? Like this is a good question to ask,
• 52:45
  Okay, why do women find the manisphere odious and repulsive? I mean,
• 52:52
  this is what he's saying. I'm not I mean, like, is it
• 53:00
  what I'm saying? Is it based on interactions with them? Or is it
• 53:02
  based on what they heard about them? Because if there, if there's like
• 53:07
  you know, rumors or press about people in the manisphere and how terrible they
• 53:12
  are, then you know what I mean, it's like saying I don't know.
• 53:16
  It's like saying, women in general see Jordan Peterson as odious and repulsive,
• 53:21
  well, based on what based on like knowing him and meeting him in
• 53:24
  person, based on watching his like his talks, or based on what the
• 53:30
  media said about him. I think that matters. I think you can say
• 53:37
  he used the vignette? What does that mean? He's okay? Keep going,
• 53:42
  all right, all right. This raises a potential problem when asking participants
• 53:46
  to rate Red Pill influencers. We should expect participants who view the red Pill
• 53:51
  negatively to rate them lower, and participants who view the red Pill positively to
• 53:54
  rate them higher. We might also expect an effect of familiarity. More familiar
• 54:00
  individuals are perceived as more attractive. I just pointed something out. Okay,
• 54:05
  so he used vignettes. I don't know. I'm guessing that we can't access
• 54:10
  his methodology his survey that uh there, there might be there's a methodology section
• 54:20
  here. Let's put a pin in that. Let's put a pin in that.
• 54:22
  But the women find menisphere odious. That's interesting and it's going to be
• 54:30
  very interesting too when we follow up at the end for some of his findings.
• 54:36
  Yeah, okay, women find the manisphere odious and icky. Women in
• 54:40
  general see the manisphere is odious and repulsive, and it gave more women the
• 54:45
  ick than the other vignette. In fact, even conservative women were more willing
• 54:47
  to date a male feminist than they were to data menispeer guy. Now I
• 54:51
  also take a show really because well but yeah, but I mean conservative women
• 54:55
  are feminists alas, like there, there's there there. They are absolutely feminist
• 55:00
  still, like most of them are still feminist. They're just not like crazy
• 55:04
  gender ideologue pink haired feminists. They're just sort of like second wave glorious dynam
• 55:08
  feminists. Like there's women. Yeah, you still believe that men have either
• 55:15
  oppressed women or would do it again or do it somewhere else. They're they
• 55:19
  are still So when you say, when he says even conservative women in italics,
• 55:22
  I'm like, yeah, but conservative women today, most of them they're
• 55:25
  still feminists, like they're at least it's the most charitable. The most charitable
• 55:30
  I could be is to say that maybe they're just like the suffragettes. But
• 55:35
  that's not saying a lot. You know, it's not saying a lot.
• 55:39
  You'd have to be like an Amish woman like to be you know, or
• 55:44
  like a like a fucking uh you know, like one of the Puritans.
• 55:46
  Like, you'd have to be a woman who is so traad that she's not
• 55:51
  even on the internet, like for me to be like, yeah, okay,
• 55:53
  that's probably not a feminist woman. So okay. Also, I want
• 55:59
  to say, if you believe that men oppress women, then I think you're
• 56:06
  a feminist, and you are you are actually embracing you've basically just given up
• 56:12
  the ghost at that point. Yeah, that's because you're embracing a theory of
• 56:15
  reality. It's a nonstar is Yeah, it's just that is your theory of
• 56:21
  reality. Okay, there's nowhere to go with that. So when they say
• 56:27
  they're more like they're data male feminist what they're saying is conservative women would rather
• 56:30
  date a man who is basically going to like do what they ask, like
• 56:35
  basically put them on a pedestal, And of course they are well who gives
• 56:37
  them, who gives them moral authority over him? Yeah, exactly, even
• 56:42
  like the I'm not talking about again, I'm not talking about like a crazy
• 56:46
  you know, male feminist that's actually not even straight and he'll like roundhouse kick
• 56:51
  somebody because she's pro choice or pro life. I'm talking about like just a
• 56:54
  guy who you know, basically says I think it's just like the same level.
• 56:59
  I've believe that women throughout history have been oppressed, and I'm gonna be
• 57:02
  a better man than the average man, the one good man. That's that's
• 57:07
  and they of course they want that because that man will serve them and will
• 57:09
  give them moral authority over them. It's not, it's not It's got nothing
• 57:15
  to do with them being conservative or liberal. It has to do with like,
• 57:17
  what what what do they think? What is their view of the world
• 57:22
  in terms of the relationship between men and women, And most women across the
• 57:25
  board, and most men across the board, to be fair, believe that
• 57:30
  it is true that men either did oppress women at one point, do oppress
• 57:36
  women somewhere in the world, or would oppress women at some point in the
• 57:39
  future. So I mean it nothing else matters. Absent feminism, yeah,
• 57:45
  absent feminism yeah. So okay, but let's keep going. Let's find out
• 57:51
  what his great discovery is. So it is not really a great discovery because
• 57:54
  this is really crapy. So let's look at the methods. I guess.
• 57:59
  Uh, seven hundred and thirty eight participants responded to the survey. Twenty one
• 58:02
  responses were cleaned. What where did you get these, sir? I think,
• 58:09
  did you just do an internet survey? Yeah, it's just a twitt
• 58:14
  No, they don't they You can't do it very survey on Twitter. It's
• 58:16
  a weird probably thirty eight. No, he just set up, like I'm
• 58:22
  guessing he set up. I shouldn't have to guess there's a taste set up
• 58:24
  survey on the Internet and just tweeted it out. Okay, Yeah, this
• 58:30
  is a self selecting from your own audience. This is most likely a self
• 58:35
  selecting sample from your own audience. This is as valid as a Cosmo pole.
• 58:42
  All right, but let's let's let's pretend like this is actual science.
• 58:45
  Okay, all right, So seven hundred and thirty eight participants responded to the
• 58:50
  survey. Twenty one responses were cleaned or failing attention shot. Oh so there
• 58:54
  was originally, so seven hundred and fifty or seven hundred and forty nine orus
• 59:00
  erroneous responses. Eighty three percent of the sample was heterosexual, fifteen percent was
• 59:07
  bisexual, and two percent was gay or lesbian who ensure ratings from opposite sex
• 59:12
  attracted individuals. The analysis was conducted only with heterosexual and bisexual participants, or
• 59:17
  total sample size of seven hundred and three, so it's actually lower than seven
• 59:22
  hundred and thirty eight. Forty six percent of this grouping is female, so
• 59:28
  the majority were men by a little bit. Participants indicated political ideology Feminist identification
• 59:36
  that doesn't matter, like I just described, you know, whether or not
• 59:38
  they identify as feminist doesn't matter, Traditionalists identification same. I mean for women,
• 59:44
  I think that generally they want their cake needed to in most cases,
• 59:47
  that includes feminist women, and Christian identification on a seven point like Earth scales.
• 59:54
  Participants also indicated how positively or negatively they viewed the black pill and the
• 1:00:00
  red pill on seven point like scales. I don't know what a like scale
• 1:00:05
  is alse, so you want to look that up while I'm reading. Additionally,
• 1:00:08
  participants indicated how well they believed they did on dating apps as well as
• 1:00:13
  their total lifetime number of sexual partners. Binary variables for black pill identification,
• 1:00:19
  red pill identification, and insult identification were included. Binary variables okay. Participants
• 1:00:24
  were represent scale huh. A like scale is? A like scale is a
• 1:00:30
  rating scale used to measure opinions, attitudes, or behaviors. It consists of
• 1:00:34
  a statement or question followed by a series of five or seven answer statements.
• 1:00:37
  Agree, strongly, agreed, you know that kind of thing. Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Respondents choose the option that best corresponds with how they feel about the statement or
• 1:00:45
  question. Okay, let's keep going, all right. Additionally, participants indicated
• 1:00:52
  how well they believe they did on dating apps, as well as their total
• 1:00:54
  lifetime number of sexual partners. Binary variables for black pill identification, red pill
• 1:01:00
  identification, and in cell identification were included. Participants were presented with eleven video
• 1:01:06
  YouTube clips of popular red pill influencers and asc to rate their physical attractiveness,
• 1:01:10
  vocal attractiveness and indicate how familiar they were with the influencer and here's a chart.
• 1:01:17
  I think they have some names here, so I'm gonna I did get
• 1:01:22
  before I do that. I think somebody sent another super chow through or super
• 1:01:25
  chat. So I'm gonna read it really quick so that we don't miss this.
• 1:01:29
  This is from Iggy Thunders. Thank you. Eggy Thunders gives as five
• 1:01:32
  bucks and says red Pillars should just span the lyrics from the Price of a
• 1:01:36
  Mile by Sabotan anywhere Alex Say posts his get good bullshit thank you, thank
• 1:01:43
  you for that. It doesn't even you know, red Pillars probably are okay
• 1:01:46
  with the get good message. Well they're not. They're not like we are
• 1:01:52
  different, like us me, Brian, you know, Honey Badger Ao were
• 1:01:54
  different. You know, we red Pillars still focus on what men can do
• 1:02:01
  to improve the situation, and I think we also do, but we have
• 1:02:06
  more of an emphasis on okay. So we have constructed, we've decided in
• 1:02:12
  our society to pursue a campaign of advertising men is absolutely the worst option possible
• 1:02:21
  for women. You know, for the last couple generations and subsequently we have
• 1:02:28
  seen the marriage, dating, sex and reproduction rates drop catastrophically. Maybe we
• 1:02:36
  should stop doing that. And that's our you know, it's more of our
• 1:02:40
  approach. We're willing to go and look at what is society doing here to
• 1:02:45
  make this difficult, rather than just simply saying, well, you know,
• 1:02:51
  if our society is dead set on making it like an executable offense for a
• 1:02:55
  man to go up to a woman in public and ask her what the time
• 1:02:59
  is, maybe men should as okay for men to actually be afraid to do
• 1:03:04
  that. I'm exaggerating, of course, but maybe we should stop doing that
• 1:03:07
  if we want to continue to reproduce. And but that is verboden because we're
• 1:03:14
  taking the honest off men right by recognizing that when a society which is considerably
• 1:03:22
  seen as having considerably more social proof than that, you know, lone guy
• 1:03:25
  walking down a street and seeing someone attractive and saying, hey, maybe i'll
• 1:03:30
  talk her up, you know, maybe that society can take responsibility for its
• 1:03:35
  effect on the dating market. You know, maybe the people who control the
• 1:03:39
  media and academi and the government can take their responsibility for their effect on the
• 1:03:44
  dating market. I mean, it's not even all women. Most women,
• 1:03:47
  just like most people, just do whatever is easiest they just follow whatever's easiest.
• 1:03:55
  So if their doctor and their women's studies professor and the government uh campaign
• 1:04:04
  that they saw on the subway once all tells them that men, they get
• 1:04:10
  in a relationship with a man, it's the stupidest thing they could ever do,
• 1:04:13
  because at the very best, he'll ignore her and treat her like a
• 1:04:15
  slave. At the very worst, he'll beat her and cut her head off
• 1:04:18
  and throw it in an alley like and she says, oh, well,
• 1:04:21
  I don't want to I don't want to be with a man, like Yeah,
• 1:04:26
  She's just gonna do what she thinks is reasonable with her life. They're
• 1:04:30
  the ones who've constructed this narrative in which that becomes reasonable. Stop it.
• 1:04:35
  Ye okay, all right, let's look at and then when our average dude
• 1:04:40
  walking down the street approaches this woman, what does she do? The calling
• 1:04:45
  the police? He raged me, so the women the Okay. So this
• 1:04:49
  is the results average influencer ratings given by women. So these are the averages.
• 1:04:57
  Below are the mean ratings mean ratings given by women for eleven red Pill
• 1:05:00
  influencers. So not not the biggest group of dudes to like divide, but
• 1:05:04
  I guess they're like the most well known, So I guess that means something.
• 1:05:10
  I just don't point something out. Yeah, I just want to point
• 1:05:13
  something out physical attractiveness. None of these men rate over like. They all
• 1:05:17
  rate under. Yeah, they all rate like a less like. Well,
• 1:05:21
  basically a one is very unattractive, A seven is very attractive. So Brian
• 1:05:28
  at oh, Brian Atless is the guy who owes the host of whatever podcast.
• 1:05:33
  I think he's a three point four, so he's literally mid. He's
• 1:05:38
  mid to these women. Actually, in all of them, nobody rates high
• 1:05:42
  except Andrew Tate rates five point three for familiarity. But that's only because he's
• 1:05:46
  been put all over the news in everyone's faces. This is why I'm saying,
• 1:05:49
  like, the whole thing seems a little a little sketchy to me,
• 1:05:53
  because women are rating it based on the popularity of these figures, and that
• 1:06:00
  is coming from how those figures are being reported to them. So when Andrew
• 1:06:03
  Tank goes on the news and everyone's saying that he like, you know,
• 1:06:06
  is a does all these terrible things, and he's a terrible person, and
• 1:06:10
  he like hates women and he does this that or the other. Of course,
• 1:06:15
  women are gonna have an opinion based on what they heard about the guy.
• 1:06:17
  You don't think that women operate based on what they hear about people,
• 1:06:21
  like in terms of like what their decisions are about their like what kind of
• 1:06:25
  person they are. And even then, all this is saying is that the
• 1:06:29
  mean five point three. It just means, oh, yeah, I know
• 1:06:31
  who he is. I've heard of him. I understand that he has bugattis
• 1:06:36
  in a big house, and he's also like, you know, a prisoner
• 1:06:40
  or something like that. Like, it's I don't see why this is that
• 1:06:45
  useful. It isn't. It's just bullshit that he's probably using to do a
• 1:06:49
  tweet to get attention. Yeah, any dream Johnson rate so high and he's
• 1:07:00
  just this is a bunch of bullshit to justify not dealing with the problem.
• 1:07:05
  I mean, come on, guys, Like, look at what what women
• 1:07:09
  are told. They're told that men are a terrible option. They're either going
• 1:07:14
  to turn them into a domestic slave or they're going to turn them into you
• 1:07:17
  know, steaks that they're gonna eat with you know, some faba beans,
• 1:07:20
  Like they're they're they're they're presented as the worst possible option a woman could have,
• 1:07:26
  when they are in fact the best, by the way, because women
• 1:07:29
  who are married are twice as happy as single women, but they are presented
• 1:07:33
  as the worst option the average woman making sensible decisions about her life. Who
• 1:07:41
  is she going to turn to her doctor? You know, Oh, I've
• 1:07:45
  seen this study a married women apparently are half as a half is happy.
• 1:07:49
  You know, let's not actually look into where that's coming from, because it's
• 1:07:54
  actually from a misreading of the statistics. But you know, but you don't
• 1:07:57
  do that. That's you might as well smoke rather than how a husband if
• 1:08:00
  you want to improve your health. You know, like you're better off smoking
• 1:08:03
  than having a husband. Lady as your doctor, I'm informing you of this,
• 1:08:09
  you know, as your psychologist where oh you're you're gonna be You're gonna
• 1:08:15
  be have these psycho or these patriarchal norms enforced on you by your partner.
• 1:08:18
  He's gonna have masculine ideology, and look out for that toxic masculinity that he
• 1:08:25
  might spray all over you. You know, all of these messages have an
• 1:08:29
  effect on the average woman's appraisal of her life circumstance. And you these individuals
• 1:08:35
  like Alex Sike absolutely refuse to engage with that, so they're not gonna do
• 1:08:41
  anything because these messages will continue to corrode and destroy our ability to construct relationships
• 1:08:46
  in our society. They'll continue to do their work destroying relationships between men and
• 1:08:51
  women. And this guy will simply say, oh, men are to blame
• 1:08:57
  uh for all of this, like men are to blame for not being able
• 1:09:00
  to overcome all of the social messaging that women get. Really okay, yeah,
• 1:09:08
  and that's your answer. Just blame men more and again, you look
• 1:09:12
  at the average woman trying to make a reasonable decision about her life. Where
• 1:09:15
  is she ever told that actually having a husband is going to improve her health,
• 1:09:20
  it's going to improve her sense of well being, it'll improve her finances.
• 1:09:25
  If she stays with them, she will have somebody who is dedicated to
• 1:09:30
  her and whatever children that she has in a way that nobody else in her
• 1:09:32
  life will ever be. Ever, this is this is really critical that women
• 1:09:36
  need to know. Nobody in your life is going to take a bullet for
• 1:09:41
  you, aside from your husband. Ever. Yep, okay, this is
• 1:09:47
  what you're giving up. Does anybody tell women that, no, you'll be
• 1:09:51
  a domestic you'll be a domestic slave or worse, you'll be a murders deck.
• 1:09:59
  Oh, your health will be your health be worse if you have a
• 1:10:01
  husband. Oh, your happiness will be worse. Oh, you won't be
• 1:10:03
  able to fulfill your dreams. What are fucking dreams that? Like? What's
• 1:10:08
  the average person gonna do? Like? Really, your dreams of being a
• 1:10:11
  middle manager in a nail salon? Like what? Yeah? Good lord?
• 1:10:15
  Anyway, I'm just pointing that out, and nobody wants to talk about that.
• 1:10:20
  No, I don't even think anybody's even I don't even think anybody's ever
• 1:10:24
  even thought of it that way. Have you ever heard this from anyone?
• 1:10:29
  No, they don't know. I mean, like I thought about it,
• 1:10:30
  but no one says it. No. Maybe maybe I don't know. I
• 1:10:33
  don't know. I've never heard it. Maybe maybe uh, maybe other men's
• 1:10:39
  rights activists, Yeah, maybe other men's rights guys have. Maybe Warren Ferrell
• 1:10:44
  has. I don't know. So Next section. Sex differences in Red Pillar
• 1:10:47
  influencer attractiveness readings below or eleven histograms showing sex differences in ratings of the physical
• 1:10:54
  attractiveness of individual red pill influencer or every influencer. Men rated red pill influencers
• 1:11:00
  as more attractive than women did, so men found them more attracted than women
• 1:11:03
  did, which makes sense because men tend to be more fair when it comes
• 1:11:09
  to like assessing the attractiveness of other people than women, especially when it comes
• 1:11:13
  to men. Remember when we did that, we went through that video by
• 1:11:16
  Jubilee where the men there was like five men and five women, and the
• 1:11:19
  men raided each other and the women raided each other, And the men raided
• 1:11:23
  each other based on like they were trying to pump each other up, you
• 1:11:26
  know, and the women raised each other basically by lying to each other about
• 1:11:30
  what about like how good looking they were. It wasn't really like good great
• 1:11:34
  at all. Yeah, huh. They weren't honest at all about their looks.
• 1:11:40
  No, they weren't honest. Yeah yeah, men tried to they were
• 1:11:45
  honest, but they tried to still build each other up a bit. But
• 1:11:47
  you know, let's keep going. Let's keep all right, see what where
• 1:11:51
  we're going with this. Effect sizes are medium to large form most influencer ratings
• 1:11:56
  means medians. Effects sizes and PA values are reported in the charts titles.
• 1:12:00
  A final chart shows the sex difference in total attractiveness ratings across all influencers.
• 1:12:04
  So this is essentially like they got each person rated. So this is Brian
• 1:12:12
  Atlas from the Whatever podcast, so more, I guess this is the scale.
• 1:12:17
  So in the mid yeah, the middle, this is very attractive.
• 1:12:20
  You see that men and women didn't rate him very high, probably because they
• 1:12:25
  were comparing him to like movie star Wars or something, but somewhat attractive.
• 1:12:28
  I would say this is like neutral, somewhat attractive, attractive, very attractive,
• 1:12:32
  somewhat unattractive, unattractive, very unattractive. So you can see the women
• 1:12:39
  most of them voted. It looks like that he had that he was considered
• 1:12:44
  unattractive. What is wait, what is the oh and that's where the overlap
• 1:12:46
  is at. Yeah, I see then this is sneak o. So more
• 1:12:53
  people found him very unattractive. Again women women just shitting on these dudes,
• 1:12:58
  Like the guys are generally more favorable. You look at it because the men
• 1:13:00
  the men of the gray. Do you see this thousand the pink as women,
• 1:13:03
  the gray as men, and the pink and gray is like an overlap.
• 1:13:06
  So you know this is this is women down see it? You see
• 1:13:10
  it? Okay, Anthony dream Johnson, So again, uh, well they
• 1:13:17
  found him more attractive. I guess women were a little bit more. Actually,
• 1:13:20
  no, they weren't. They down here this is men. It looks
• 1:13:25
  like, yeah, sore men, attractive women. Women are just like these
• 1:13:29
  guys are not. Like, so we don't go through each one, but
• 1:13:31
  you can see what was that I was gonna say. These guys aren't like
• 1:13:38
  they're a bit there. I would say that from what I'm looking at,
• 1:13:41
  just looking at their images, and maybe we should have put some images up
• 1:13:45
  there. They're slightly more attractive than average is where I would put them.
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  Like they're not average. Well they're not. They're not They're not fucking quasimoto.
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  Like they're fine, Like they're they're not quasimoto. They're just normal.
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  They're fine there. Yeah, some they're they're they're middle or above average.
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  And again, like it depends on your type, like there are. I
• 1:14:05
  would assume that women don't have a single type. I know that women say
• 1:14:12
  they do. But but people like guys like Sneako do well. You know,
• 1:14:16
  he's got that skinny Puerto Rican flocko thing going on, and and some
• 1:14:20
  guys are doing well, and some guys are more buff and those guys do
• 1:14:24
  well, and some guys, are they got the dad bought? I mean,
• 1:14:26
  I know that there are there's this is a thing, but I think
• 1:14:30
  that there is a I don't know what you would call it. It's like
• 1:14:32
  a a negative bias that these or or women's standards are ridiculous. It could
• 1:14:40
  be that, well, you know, well, well we already know that
• 1:14:42
  women's standards for looks are ridiculous. But the other thing is that you're absolutely
• 1:14:45
  right. This is He even mentioned that this is he's looking at the negative
• 1:14:49
  bias. I'm not exactly sure what he's looking at. I think it's the
• 1:14:53
  negative bias of if I were to read this as charitably as possible, he's
• 1:14:59
  looked looking at how people view the attractiveness as others based on how well they
• 1:15:03
  conform to their ideological beliefs. Yeah, I guess all right, but let's
• 1:15:10
  let's keep going because this is all right. So you can see women are
• 1:15:13
  are rating most of these guys is very unattracted, brutal like Andrew, Yes,
• 1:15:17
  brutal, Yeah, brutal attractiveness ratings by sex. Which of these vaginas
• 1:15:24
  is the female one? Okay? This one here? So you can see
• 1:15:27
  their averages. Uh, it's like towards the bottom, and the men are
• 1:15:31
  towards the middle, which would be which I think is more reasonable. I
• 1:15:36
  think the men are being reasonable. The men are being reasonable. Well,
• 1:15:39
  they're also thinking about themselves, probably like well, where do I measure up
• 1:15:44
  the halo effect? That's let me see, he's getting into some stuff here.
• 1:15:51
  This is a another charge. I don't know if that's interesting. Attracteds
• 1:15:59
  ratings by red identification. What was that? Wait, let's let's okay,
• 1:16:05
  let's read the text so that we understand what he's doing. I ran a
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  multiple regression with the valuable variables for influencer familiarity, how well the influencer was
• 1:16:16
  known to the raider, red pill attitude. What he's doing, Huh,
• 1:16:21
  he's comparing He's comparing the attractiveness score to each of these other variables. So
• 1:16:29
  how well the influencer is known is going to be like on the X or
• 1:16:32
  Y whatever, How did the participation participants have positive or negative add Okay,
• 1:16:38
  so that's the red pill, black pill attitudes, left right political ideology,
• 1:16:42
  feminist identification, traditionalist identification, and Christian identification. You should have done men's
• 1:16:47
  rights identification. No, why why would you? He already no, no,
• 1:16:55
  no, no, no, no no. Red pill is very distinct
• 1:16:58
  because I've been in argument with men in the red pill, like even as
• 1:17:02
  I've said multiple times, but I'm blocked by rollo. So there is a
• 1:17:08
  distinction. There's a distinction between men's rights activists and red pill and where are
• 1:17:15
  we? But of course, I guess the real question is I don't think
• 1:17:21
  that ranting rating the people who are you know, visibly part of the men's
• 1:17:27
  rights movement really means anything like yeah, I wouldn't want to see that,
• 1:17:31
  but whatever, let's keep going. Okay, what did you find? The
• 1:17:36
  regression was significant approximately seventeen point eight one percent of the variance, and physical
• 1:17:43
  attractiveness was accounted for by the predictor variables. Red Pill attitudes had a significant
• 1:17:47
  positive relationship with physical attractiveness ratings. The more participants viewed the red pill positively,
• 1:17:54
  the higher the attractiveness rating they gave the red Pill influencers. Hence,
• 1:17:58
  the men are more fair because the men were probably more like okay with the
• 1:18:03
  red pill, like they didn't find it repulsive, didn't give them the ick.
• 1:18:09
  Political ideology had a significant negative relationship with attractiveness ratings, indicating that a
• 1:18:14
  stronger right wing political identification was associated with lower attractiveness ratings given to red pill
• 1:18:18
  influencers. Yeah, because, like I said, right wing people are still
• 1:18:23
  tad And I want to know what they had to say about the left though,
• 1:18:27
  because I'm sure that they also hated them. Feminist identification, well,
• 1:18:30
  I guess that covers it was also significantly associated with attractiveness ratings. Participants who
• 1:18:36
  where more feminists gave lower ratings to red pill influencers. No shit. The
• 1:18:41
  familiarity of the influencer attitudes towards the black pill, traditionalist identification, and Christian
• 1:18:47
  identification did not show significant associations with attractiveness ratings below the Spearman's rank order.
• 1:18:55
  Correlations for red pill attitudes and feminist identification with total attractiveness ratings A right,
• 1:19:00
  these are I think these are pretty weak. But I'm just gonna say,
• 1:19:08
  what have we discovered? Friends? What have we discovered? Kids? People?
• 1:19:13
  If you disagree with somebody ideologically, you rate them is less attractive?
• 1:19:18
  Oh boy, okay, great, that's a great discovery. Who cares?
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, let me, let me, let's let's do this. We've been
• 1:19:28
  going for like an hour and a half. I want to I got another
• 1:19:31
  super chow, so I'm going to read that, but first I want to
• 1:19:35
  jump to something else because I'm not I don't think this is this. This
• 1:19:41
  stuff's kind of it seems like he did a lot of work or something that
• 1:19:44
  we already knew absolutely nothing, like could you do like? This is what's
• 1:19:48
  astounding to me is this guy gets so much attention for things, for finding
• 1:19:53
  out things like men with greater risk risk aversion take fewer risks. Right,
• 1:20:00
  Oh, congratulate. That's that's some pretty cutting edge science. Oh oh,
• 1:20:06
  you know we we judge people there, people's attractiveness based on whether or not
• 1:20:11
  their ideologies are compatible with our own. Whoof, that's some serious groundbreaking shit.
• 1:20:18
  God, my mind is blown. This is wow. This is dross.
• 1:20:25
  This is dross. But let's get back to let's get down to I
• 1:20:28
  mean, there isn't even like this eight hundred and seventy or sorry, seven
• 1:20:31
  hundred whatever from a from an online survey. I mean, seriously, you
• 1:20:36
  should be able to get tens of thousands or something. Then maybe you have
• 1:20:40
  something at least from an online survey, because there's there's such bias and how
• 1:20:44
  it's selected. This is a survey of Alex Syke's audience unless he tells us
• 1:20:53
  that, oh no, I we this is a random like a random selection
• 1:20:58
  of people on the internet that were just pinged by this survey to go and
• 1:21:00
  take it like, but he doesn't. So where does this survey come from?
• 1:21:05
  We need to know that to no understand how valid it is. How
• 1:21:09
  are the people who were selected for the survey, how did they come across
• 1:21:12
  the survey? How did they find out about it? Like this? These
• 1:21:15
  is this is information that's required in order to judge whether or not this is
• 1:21:19
  a worthwhile piece of data. But you know what, at the end of
• 1:21:23
  the day, what did it find? People find people who don't agree with
• 1:21:27
  them less attractive. Okay, that's a great addition to the knowledge to the
• 1:21:33
  knowledge base of this Thank you, thank you, you're doing God's work,
• 1:21:39
  Alex. Okay, let's go down to uh let me read the superchold because
• 1:21:44
  I did. I got a super child. So Asthron gave us five bucks.
• 1:21:47
  Thank you Ashtron and says there are three things I'm seeing here. One
• 1:21:50
  female sex competition. If Tate is unattractive, less women to compete, so
• 1:21:56
  they're lying. Two, this is a bogus survey that feminine will use as
• 1:22:00
  facts in the future. Three. Finally, the feminist shaming tactics for heterosexual
• 1:22:05
  and masculine men tell them that they are actually gay. Hence they prefer to
• 1:22:10
  We'll show men thinking Tate is most attractive while actual women think he's the least
• 1:22:14
  attractive. This is just another silly test to see how men react while women
• 1:22:18
  shame them. I don't even think it's a nefarious at that you're giving it
• 1:22:24
  a lot of weight in terms of being nefarious. I just think it's dumb.
• 1:22:30
  It's not nefarious. I know people want to say, oh, he's
• 1:22:33
  a fed, he's doing this secret like four dimensional chests. No, he's
• 1:22:38
  just dumb. His research is dumb and it's not going to do anything.
• 1:22:41
  We're gonna be exactly where we are right now in five years or worse.
• 1:22:46
  I think the algorithm is supporting him, and I think that his ultimate goal
• 1:22:50
  is to like fundamentally change the popularity of the manisphere in general, which includes
• 1:22:59
  us, by driving traffic away from them. That's why he's calling the Red
• 1:23:05
  Pills beliefs a kind of folk psychology. Because his name is Alex Syke and
• 1:23:11
  he runs a website called datepsychology dot com. So obviously he's the real deal.
• 1:23:16
  And I'm not saying that that makes him a FED, but I'm saying
• 1:23:20
  that he could just be a guy that has these views and he's putting them
• 1:23:25
  out there, but his content and his presence is being raised up. He's
• 1:23:30
  the one that's going on. Chris Williamson, He's the one that's making appearances
• 1:23:33
  on like other people's like I think he was on like the Daily Wire or
• 1:23:36
  something once. So he's the one who's being propped up. And so maybe
• 1:23:42
  it's not intentional. Maybe maybe he's not like, you know, scanning his
• 1:23:46
  ID card to get into the secret office at the bottom of the you know,
• 1:23:49
  the of the CIA building or whatever. But that doesn't matter if Big
• 1:23:55
  Tech is essentially pushing him to the foe and keeping us, you know,
• 1:24:00
  people like us down basically where the fucking with the swine, because that's a
• 1:24:08
  way that you can manipulate information. You just you just promote the people who
• 1:24:12
  are saying what you like, and you you know, just promote everyone else
• 1:24:16
  everyone else. So like there's there's a there's a couple of things I think
• 1:24:20
  that's going on with us. First, of all what we say is actually
• 1:24:24
  challenging. Yeah, and I'm not saying it's like one hundred and sixty IQ
• 1:24:28
  stuff. I'm saying it's it's challenging if all of society has been pushing on
• 1:24:32
  the poll door and you say, no, you need to pull it.
• 1:24:35
  I mean, it's not actually a deeply You don't need a lot of intelligence
• 1:24:40
  to figure out that puzzle. You just need the ability to step out of
• 1:24:45
  the social paradigm and think about the problem in a different way. So it's
• 1:24:48
  not like it's oh, yeah, you guys, you just think you just
• 1:24:51
  think you need one hundred and sixty IQ to understand. No, it's just
• 1:24:55
  that you got to be able to step out of the social paradigm to actually
• 1:24:59
  be able to who push on the push door or sorry, pull on the
• 1:25:02
  push door? Yeah? Sorry, how is it everybody's pushing on the pull
• 1:25:06
  door? To pull the pull door, you need to be able to step
• 1:25:10
  out of the social paradigm to do that. It doesn't take a lot of
• 1:25:13
  intelligence. In fact, I would imagine that somebody with an IQ of eighty
• 1:25:16
  could walk up to the push door and uh or sorry, the poll door
• 1:25:20
  and pull it, or even just push it first and then pull it and
• 1:25:25
  then walk through because that person isn't inundated with all of the inculturation to believe
• 1:25:33
  that that poll door is a push door, so they just do what works.
• 1:25:39
  Right. Yeah, so we have that we are challenging to what we
• 1:25:45
  expect, like the expected social narrative, which is men are to blame,
• 1:25:50
  women are defenseless, et cetera. And so I mean even then, like,
• 1:25:57
  we're never going to be as big as this guy because he's saying things
• 1:26:00
  that people like. They like, things that reaffirm their attitudes about the world.
• 1:26:05
  They like a world like they like somebody who you know, it's not
• 1:26:11
  your fault that you can't open the door, it's the fault of the door.
• 1:26:16
  You know, that door rightly should be a push door. It's fault.
• 1:26:23
  It's the door's fault that it's a poll door. Therefore, you don't
• 1:26:27
  need to change You don't need to change a thing, you know. They
• 1:26:31
  people like that because it just confirms their existing prejudices, their existing lenses.
• 1:26:36
  So he's always gonna be more popular than us. And then in addition to
• 1:26:41
  that, he is getting algorithmic privilege. He most likely isn't targeted by Homeland
• 1:26:47
  Security, for attention to version whatever else. But I mean, let's be
• 1:26:51
  honest, like, even if even if it was a completely even playing field,
• 1:26:55
  I'm guessing this guy would get more a lot more attention just because he's
• 1:27:00
  just reaffirming why we don't need to pull the push door, why we can
• 1:27:04
  continue to push that door, why we have the right to continue to push
• 1:27:09
  that door, why we are obligated to continue to push that pull door,
• 1:27:14
  and why if that pull door diver never opens, we weren't the ones who
• 1:27:18
  did wrong. The door was wrong, and he people love that. They
• 1:27:24
  eat it up. Okay, So I mean it's it's just a situation like
• 1:27:28
  that. Can we go to uh, sexual partners, dating app success and
• 1:27:33
  red pill identification? Oh no, you know what? This is all bullshit?
• 1:27:38
  Just go yeah, you're right, let's let meet. Should I just
• 1:27:41
  go to the result, Yeah, just go to the results, all right?
• 1:27:45
  Results summary Number one. Top red pill influencers were rated generally low in
• 1:27:50
  both physical and vocal attractiveness. Lower ratings were given to red pill influencers by
• 1:27:56
  women than by men. Positive attitudes towards the red pill were associated with higher
• 1:28:01
  ratings of physical and vocal attractiveness. However, variables influencing attractiveness ratings explained only
• 1:28:08
  a modest portion of the variance in rating red pilled Men did not have more
• 1:28:13
  sexual partners on average, nor did they support greater success with dating apps.
• 1:28:18
  The vocal and physical attractiveness of red pill influencers was highly correlated. Discussion.
• 1:28:26
  Okay, wait, wait, wait wait, let's look at the let's look
• 1:28:29
  at these results. Olack Alex Syke has just found results with this dodgy survey
• 1:28:36
  that completely destroy his position, and he does not know that. Let's continue
• 1:28:42
  on to the discussion, and I'll explain when we're all right. Discussion.
• 1:28:45
  Sex differences and positive attitudes towards targets both shape perceptions of physical attractiveness across the
• 1:28:51
  literature. Women are more inclined to give lower ratings of attractiveness to men than
• 1:28:57
  other men give. Additionally, if a subject is perceived negatively by raiders,
• 1:29:01
  than he will be seen as less physically attractive. In my results, the
• 1:29:05
  association of popular influencers with the red pill resulted in their assessment as less attractive
• 1:29:12
  by participants who viewed the red pill more negatively. Sound like you're in agony
• 1:29:15
  reading this I don't blame you, but I'm just like, I feel like
• 1:29:19
  I'm torturing you. It's no, it's okay. However, attitudes towards the
• 1:29:23
  red Pill only explained a modest portion of the variants in attractiveness ratings. We
• 1:29:29
  cannot We cannot conclude that the very low ratings of red Pill influencers occur only
• 1:29:33
  because they were stereotyped negatively. Men and women both consistently rated red Pill influencers
• 1:29:39
  low in physical and vocal attractiveness. Past research has found correlations between facial and
• 1:29:45
  vocal attractiveness. However, the high correlation in my results is likely due to
• 1:29:49
  faces and voices being presented Concurrently, influencers who are perceived more positively in general
• 1:29:56
  may be perceived more positively across the two variables. Additionally, vocal attractiveness may
• 1:30:01
  influence raiders' perceptions of physical attractiveness and vice versa. Finally, men who identified
• 1:30:06
  as red pill did not report more success on dating apps nor more lifetime sexual
• 1:30:12
  partners. This was today the most controversial survey I have run. The backlash
• 1:30:17
  I received from this from the red pill community dwarf to even the feminist response
• 1:30:20
  to our survey that asked if having sex with a sleeping person was really sexual
• 1:30:25
  assault? Why, I mean, just just pause here for a second.
• 1:30:29
  Why would anybody in the red pill community have backlash to this aside from its
• 1:30:32
  sort of caddy But he said it, but he said it happened, So
• 1:30:35
  it happened, and it was worse than the feminists. But it basically confirms
• 1:30:40
  both red pill and the black pill of you. And I'm gonna explain why
• 1:30:43
  as soon as we're done with his discussion, all right. Also, yes,
• 1:30:46
  having sex with sleeping people is sexual assault unless you've got prior commitment.
• 1:30:50
  Yeah, that's kind of maybe that's just an open and shut thing. And
• 1:30:55
  the only hate you got from feminists, we're feminists saying, how how dare
• 1:30:58
  you even ask? So? Yeah, okay, all right, all right,
• 1:31:02
  Alex Sich, don't don't nobody fall asleep around him anyway, keep going.
• 1:31:06
  It's hard to describe the red pill responses as anything other than extremely fragile,
• 1:31:12
  but at the end of the day, the results can be interpreted to
• 1:31:15
  vindicate the red Pill over the Black pill. Here we have a list of
• 1:31:17
  popular red pill influencers. Yeah, there are no black pill influencers. By
• 1:31:21
  the way, So I don't know what this proves, but anyway, I'll
• 1:31:26
  let Alison say air thing. Many of whom are very low in physical attractiveness,
• 1:31:30
  but who nonetheless claim to be highly successful with women. If you believe
• 1:31:33
  that their claims are true, then you must conclude that they have found something
• 1:31:36
  that has helped them overcome their shortcomings in the looks department. Yes, However,
• 1:31:44
  the results from red pill participants do not necessarily support this conclusion. I
• 1:31:48
  didn't find that they were were more successful with women across the measurements of dating
• 1:31:55
  app success and lifetime sexual partners. This could be interpreted in different ways.
• 1:32:00
  These men could have done worse before finding the red pill, only for red
• 1:32:02
  pill dating discourse to help them reach parity with normal men. This would be
• 1:32:08
  consistent with past research on red pill communities that has found men enter these spaces
• 1:32:12
  after having had bad romantic experiences with women. Alternatively, the red pill may
• 1:32:17
  be a placebo pill that does not help men at all. Oh no,
• 1:32:24
  you haven't proven that. In fact, you've rather proven the opposite. Alex
• 1:32:27
  sick because the red pill influencers were likely red pill before they were influencers,
• 1:32:33
  Right, and you're saying red pill men. Unattractive men are drawn to the
• 1:32:41
  red pill? And why are they drawn to the red pill? Because it
• 1:32:44
  actually puts more emphasis on your behavior than your looks. If you look at
• 1:32:51
  red pill content, which used to be PUA content, I guess it's sort
• 1:32:56
  of bred with traditionalist content. It became something else. It's really interesting how
• 1:33:00
  all this works. But I'm pretty like, I don't even know where did
• 1:33:01
  the PUAs go. Did they just disappear the red pill? I think it's
• 1:33:05
  all that. Yeah, I think that. So when you look at the
• 1:33:09
  red pill advice, it's all about re emphasizing on creating that kind of a
• 1:33:15
  positive social experience or the pickup artist advice, which where they are I guess
• 1:33:20
  Brian says, they've been subsumed into the red pills. Well, I think
• 1:33:24
  that it's part of the red pill. Yeah, I mean I think,
• 1:33:26
  well, look at it like this. There are PUAs that they have different
• 1:33:30
  goals they're trying to use. They're trying to use their knowledge of women,
• 1:33:35
  of the dynamics between men and women to get access, but it's not necessarily
• 1:33:42
  only sexual, you know. Like, so I think that it makes more
• 1:33:45
  sense to call them the red pill set of PUAs, because the assumption would
• 1:33:50
  be a pua is just trying to get laid often and with as with as
• 1:33:55
  much variety as possible. But then you have the majority of men who might
• 1:33:59
  go this route, who are just like I'm just looking to you know,
• 1:34:02
  better, be able to use what my whatever my perks are to attract a
• 1:34:09
  potential mate, maybe date a little while, you know, and suss out
• 1:34:14
  who which woman is the best, and then like you know, settle down
• 1:34:16
  with her. And I think that even the guys who are just PA's eventually
• 1:34:20
  start thinking about settling down. I mean, you just look at ruche V's
• 1:34:25
  you know, character arc to see that. So I think the red pill
• 1:34:29
  probably just makes more sense, and it does include I guess you could say
• 1:34:32
  the men who are using this to find a life partner, but I think
• 1:34:36
  that's always been the case. That'd be my guess. Okay, So my
• 1:34:42
  overall point is that pick up artistry and now the red pill emphasizes man's behavior,
• 1:34:47
  his personality, how he constructs the social space for a woman basically,
• 1:34:53
  and self improvement. Yeah, and it's I mean, there's less as far
• 1:34:57
  as I can tell, there's less emphasis on looks all so you know they're
• 1:35:00
  originally with a pickup artist, they have they they you know, you did
• 1:35:04
  focus on being fit and maybe peacocking and whatever. Yeah, like oh I
• 1:35:10
  got this hat now, I know. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
• 1:35:14
  But for the most part, it was focused on improving your social skills.
• 1:35:19
  However, even if those social skills was more like creating that kind of
• 1:35:23
  traditional space for a woman, whatever, it's about, the focuses on improving
• 1:35:27
  your social skills. Men who are less attractive are probably going to want to
• 1:35:31
  max out what they have control over. And yes, I said that that
• 1:35:36
  personality can be very difficult could change, but to a certain degree, it
• 1:35:42
  can be molded more than your going to be sharpened, refined, more sharpened.
• 1:35:47
  You know, you can do a little bit more work on it.
• 1:35:50
  But ultimately they're they're focusing on that, and incidentally they're focusing on personality.
• 1:35:57
  And from what I can tell, a pickup artists actually gave men steps to
• 1:36:00
  make these improvements. So red pillars give men steps to make these improvements in
• 1:36:04
  their personality. The men who are going to be attracted to red pilling red
• 1:36:10
  pillars, red pill before they become influencers, are probably going to be those
• 1:36:15
  guys who are experiencing worse outcomes in the dating relationship, which likely has a
• 1:36:23
  large overlap with men who aren't you know, don't look like Chris Helmsworth.
• 1:36:29
  Right, So what he's found is that unattractive men, if we're to take
• 1:36:38
  these ratings at face value, find are able to have the same level of
• 1:36:44
  success as the average man in the red pill. And ultimately that means that
• 1:36:51
  because I don't I don't think the influencers are in the red pill, influencers
• 1:36:55
  are going to be significantly more attractive than their followers if you think about it,
• 1:36:59
  or their following aren't going to be significantly more attractive than they are generally,
• 1:37:03
  not the way it works. So the red pill community, which likely
• 1:37:08
  represents men who are physically not necessarily in that top ten percent, are doing
• 1:37:15
  just as well as just a normal sample of men. Why I mean,
• 1:37:20
  his ultimate conclusion is, oh, my god, sick people when they go
• 1:37:26
  to the doctor the red pillars, they only end up as healthy as a
• 1:37:30
  normal person. Well, yeah, that's the point. If the red pillars
• 1:37:34
  start off with the deficit that you're suggesting their influencers have, which is probably
• 1:37:41
  why they got into the red pill in the first place. Then they're getting
• 1:37:46
  equal they're getting up to equal success. That's good. Now he could be
• 1:37:56
  saying, oh, it's a placebo. But again this is and and this
• 1:38:00
  is. This actually speaks to the kind of study he's doing. This study
• 1:38:04
  is useless for making a conclusion. I mean, I would say this,
• 1:38:11
  this, this probably points out to the conclusion that the red pill is doing
• 1:38:15
  something, or pick up artistry is doing something for men who don't have the
• 1:38:19
  advantage of extremely good looks or even tend to skew downward or less average,
• 1:38:27
  you know, below average looks, like the red pill is doing something to
• 1:38:30
  help them. I think that's what this would tend to look at. But
• 1:38:33
  you can't you can't prove disprove that based on this survey. You can't make
• 1:38:40
  any assumption about what's going on for it's on this survey. What you'd have
• 1:38:45
  to do is look at the men prior to the success of these men,
• 1:38:48
  prior to looking at the red pill, and then after it would have to
• 1:38:54
  be a longitudinal study. Excuse me, sorry, I'd suddenly have like a
• 1:39:00
  hair in my throat. You'd have to do a lot like a long term
• 1:39:03
  study to look at their success before and after engaging with red pill content.
• 1:39:11
  So ultimately, what is the worth of this What is the worth of this
• 1:39:15
  study? It doesn't have any worth. What did it find? People who
• 1:39:21
  look at other people? You know, people judge people based on whether or
• 1:39:26
  not they agree with their ideological beliefs. Although for some reason, despite the
• 1:39:30
  fact that women find red pillars ick, which is another interesting finding, they
• 1:39:36
  still have the same the same success as normal guys. So not only is
• 1:39:45
  it has he not proven or can't prove that red pilling is a placebo or
• 1:39:51
  red pilling helps, he also can't prove that red pilling doesn't help, which
• 1:39:55
  I'm guessing he's what he really wanted. Yeah, he really wanted to do.
• 1:40:00
  I think that's what he really wanted. What he really wanted. And
• 1:40:03
  of course, like if you if you have an issue, you're just fragile.
• 1:40:08
  He just said they were a yeah yeah, but also a childish.
• 1:40:13
  What is the causal relationship he's trying to establish here, because the only one
• 1:40:17
  that he's established is again, ideology colors how we see the attractiveness of others.
• 1:40:21
  Yeah, okay, thank you. You've done a crappy study to find
• 1:40:27
  a result that nobody asked for Yeah, like, why is anybody in the
• 1:40:32
  red pill community at all concerned with this? I don't know if they are.
• 1:40:36
  I think he's claiming. That's another thing too, though, he's like,
• 1:40:39
  oh man, I got so much hate for this. Oh man,
• 1:40:42
  they're like they're like worse than the feminists. You guys are just as bad,
• 1:40:45
  if not worse. But here's but there's no evidence. I don't you
• 1:40:48
  know, like if anything, maybe maybe maybe Rollo did a nine hour stream
• 1:40:53
  on it or something, but like, come on, dude, you basically
• 1:40:56
  you basically made you You kind of did a dis honest I would say,
• 1:41:00
  a somewhat dishonest study on like eleven guys, and you're and then you're using
• 1:41:06
  that to paint like everyone and that includes us. I know that we're not
• 1:41:10
  technically part of it. But that's what he would say, because he argued
• 1:41:15
  with Allison too, it doesn't matter that like, that's why he said in
• 1:41:17
  the outset, that's why he SAI at the beginning, he said, the
• 1:41:19
  well of the red pill is really hard to pin down because everyone's claiming that
• 1:41:24
  they're not part of it, and yet I see these patterns, and so
• 1:41:27
  I because I don't exist in a box. I exists. It's like I'm
• 1:41:30
  in the metaverse outside of that, and I view all of the boxes and
• 1:41:35
  I can see them all, and I can see where you are and you
• 1:41:38
  are. So I have determined what box you're in. And therefore, even
• 1:41:43
  if you can give me all the proof in the world that you don't actually
• 1:41:45
  fit in that box, I'm fairly certain that's just cope and you actually fit
• 1:41:48
  in that box. So I'm gonna put you in that box, and then
• 1:41:51
  I'm gonna judge that box based on other people who are in that box that
• 1:41:56
  I've also created and put them in, and you can't recute it because if
• 1:42:00
  you do, that means you're fragile. So that's proof what the box is
• 1:42:04
  real, and I put you in it. I mean, I'm not even
• 1:42:08
  mad. I'm just saying that's all it is. It's like, none of
• 1:42:11
  this is useful. It's a lot of it looks like you know, some
• 1:42:15
  like fucking midweight will look at it and say, Wow, that guy's he's
• 1:42:19
  like a psychologist. He neither studies, he's got graphs and tables and you
• 1:42:23
  make conclusions this is this is amazed. Who's who is this. This is
• 1:42:28
  an amazing guy, incredible work. This is life change. Get him on
• 1:42:32
  all the news shows. He's got a braided beer and a man bun.
• 1:42:38
  This guy obviously knows women. It's phony. Yeah, it's I'm sorry,
• 1:42:46
  it's just my opinion. You don't have to you can disagree if you want.
• 1:42:50
  Well, I I think that just from a look at this again,
• 1:42:59
  I don't know who the people he interviewed are, where he got them from,
• 1:43:02
  or he surveyed are. But ultimately the only thing he can say from
• 1:43:10
  this, which like it doesn't seem like a very good study to begin with,
• 1:43:14
  and it's not pure reviewed by the way, as much as that's worth,
• 1:43:16
  Yeah, but is that people great people based on their ideologies. They
• 1:43:20
  rate their attractiveness based on their ideology. Despite the fact that women find red
• 1:43:25
  pill influencers ick or red pillars ick, they still date them at the same
• 1:43:30
  rate as everyone else. So you know. But and also this really speaks
• 1:43:35
  to it doesn't matter what your personality is, because he's because he's Alex Syke
• 1:43:45
  is really big on the personality thing, right, This would speak to if
• 1:43:50
  it doesn't actually show that red pill men who might may tend to be less
• 1:43:55
  attractive, and that's not an insult, it's just an observation. Are using
• 1:43:59
  red pill to actually improve their dating odds. It speaks to this idea that
• 1:44:06
  if it doesn't matter, then personality doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're
• 1:44:11
  red pill, it doesn't matter. If you're blue pill. It doesn't matter
• 1:44:14
  if you're liberal. It doesn't matter if you're conservative. All that fucking matters.
• 1:44:17
  As are you six foot? Do you have a six pack? Do
• 1:44:23
  you have six figures? Okay, that's the other thing that it would tend
• 1:44:29
  to point to that none of this shit matters to women. It doesn't even
• 1:44:32
  matter if they feel ick in the response because the guy's a red pillar,
• 1:44:36
  if he's got if he's over six foot, he's got a seven pack,
• 1:44:41
  and he's making seven figures, they don't care. They'll just slop them into
• 1:44:47
  the Christian gray box in their brain, right, they don't care. So
• 1:44:51
  all of this kerfuffle would tend to prove the black pillars. Okay, congrats,
• 1:45:01
  Alex, but you know it doesn't really tend to prove anything because it's
• 1:45:05
  bad and he should just say this. This study cannot prove any of this
• 1:45:13
  because I'm basically just looking at whether or not ideology makes people think other people
• 1:45:18
  are ugly, and you found that they does. And you've also found that
• 1:45:23
  red pill men have the same amount of sexual partners as other men. Okay,
• 1:45:28
  these are the two findings that you got. They're pretty milk toast.
• 1:45:30
  To be honest, I think that these findings would tend to support our position
• 1:45:36
  that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're red pill, it doesn't
• 1:45:40
  matter if you follow alex psych it doesn't matter your political position. Women want
• 1:45:45
  these things that are unobtainable for most men. It just doesn't fucking matter.
• 1:45:51
  M Is that the black pill position? I think so? Maybe I don't
• 1:46:00
  know. I'm trying not to be black pilled because I still think that.
• 1:46:03
  I think it's still I think it's still possible for men to navigate this.
• 1:46:08
  Yeah, it's just that there has to be something else, some other thing
• 1:46:15
  that men give women aside from another earth and a half of material resources,
• 1:46:18
  because we don't got that. Sorry, you know, there has to be
• 1:46:23
  something else that men give women aside from a six pack, you know,
• 1:46:27
  something else. I'm not saying women have to get nothing from men, but
• 1:46:30
  it has to be something different than what they're asking for now, and that's
• 1:46:34
  going to be part men figuring something out and part women figuring something out.
• 1:46:41
  But it doesn't come from this. It doesn't come from lying to ourselves about
• 1:46:45
  the situation that we're in. Yep, okay, do you want to just
• 1:46:50
  do you have any final thoughts? Because uh no, I mean you basically
• 1:46:55
  said it. I think I said what I wanted to say. I did
• 1:46:58
  get another super chat from Zarang. He gave us five bucks. It was
• 1:47:02
  five bucks, no ten bucks, sorry ten bucks, and thank you for
• 1:47:05
  that, and he says. We talked to Paul Elam not too long ago.
• 1:47:09
  He confirmed a sentiment on the Red Pill that Brian read out to him.
• 1:47:13
  Don't know if intentional, but we can't seed red to toe dipping spoilers
• 1:47:19
  anymore. Please, you can't seed red to toe dipping spoilers anymore. Not
• 1:47:26
  sure what that means. Sorry, you read it again? All right?
• 1:47:30
  We talked to Paul Elam not too long ago. He confirmed a sentiment on
• 1:47:35
  the red Pill. I think that is it does like a pill emoji that
• 1:47:41
  Brian read out to him. I don't know if intentional, but we can't
• 1:47:45
  seed red pill to toe dipping spoilers anymore. Okay, red pill, it
• 1:47:49
  was another pill. Okay, toe dipping spoilers. Oh oh, what he's
• 1:47:55
  saying is that he doesn't want to allow I guess Rollo and the others are
• 1:48:00
  Andrew Tait the red pill. Yeah. I don't think we can. I
• 1:48:06
  don't think you can stop that. We can't stop that, but we can
• 1:48:11
  certainly, you know, call out people who because I think that Tildeer said
• 1:48:15
  this, I think there is a lot of people who are like being like
• 1:48:19
  through the algorithm whatever. They're artificially propped up because they make for convenient straw
• 1:48:29
  men representatives of what we do. Yeah. So like, yeah, Andrew,
• 1:48:32
  why is Andrew Tate big? Well because the media made it big?
• 1:48:35
  Why because he says he does a lot of dumb ship. He's somebody that
• 1:48:39
  you can easily hate. So they do that and they say this is this
• 1:48:42
  is what the whole thing is. And and this guy fell for it too
• 1:48:45
  because he basically made he put him in the study, he put him and
• 1:48:48
  sneak O and the whatever podcast and Fresh and Fit. These are all like
• 1:48:51
  really really easy targets. Why is it pearl On there by the way,
• 1:48:56
  is because she's not a man because she's she's huge, but like she's not
• 1:49:01
  only talking about the dating scene and she is calling out women. Maybe that's
• 1:49:06
  why, I mean, it's a til there, he's in the chat.
• 1:49:12
  Okay, can I get in here? Just just Brian, just let me
• 1:49:15
  speak trying for like a well, I don't know if it's because I'm really
• 1:49:18
  low, because maybe you're not hearing me. Andrew Tait is not very controversial
• 1:49:28
  if you really think about it. Uh he he puts the onus back on
• 1:49:31
  men, Like this is the big thing that everyone is terrified of, is
• 1:49:39
  the idea that we have to rely on women to actually do something right,
• 1:49:45
  to actually take responsibility, that we have to rely on women to take responsibility.
• 1:49:50
  And when I look at this stuff, like the kind of stuff that's
• 1:49:53
  happening to our civilization, this isn't new guys, this is this this kind
• 1:49:59
  of part of the single women. It's likely, I would honestly say,
• 1:50:02
  is likely a contributing factor, if not the main factor, to the collapse
• 1:50:09
  of the Bronze Age, which is a very similar situation to our own.
• 1:50:13
  So but the only way out of that is for women to take responsibility for
• 1:50:17
  their expectations on men. For the pressure they put on men and then decide
• 1:50:25
  to ask for something different, something more reasonable, something more functional, something
• 1:50:31
  more pro social, and then we overcome the difficulty. That's the only thing
• 1:50:38
  I've seen is how it works throughout history. Nobody wants to go there.
• 1:50:43
  Everybody wants to put the blame back on men. Men need to man harder,
• 1:50:47
  like that guy Sergeio. Men need to masculinity more, and then women
• 1:50:51
  will fall into line. Okay, I mean there is a certain aspect of
• 1:50:57
  this that men also need to start expect more of women. Don't get me
• 1:51:00
  wrong, you know, not necessarily insult each other for being simps, but
• 1:51:05
  maybe help each other over being simps, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 1:51:09
  like call each other out, but don't don't don't start to don't start
• 1:51:14
  to judge, and like I'm trying to get the sense of help, don't
• 1:51:20
  shame. Does that make sense? Mm hmm yeah, sure, okay.
• 1:51:27
  And and it's like it's just a situation where women have to take responsibility.
• 1:51:33
  Men have to help them do that. And Andrew Tate isn't controversial in that
• 1:51:38
  sense at all. Right, He's still he still just refirm reaffirms this idea
• 1:51:44
  that men are the ones who are where the buck stops. And that's not
• 1:51:46
  always the case. I hate to say it, but half the human race,
• 1:51:50
  if they're not doing their job in a way that's sensible, we get
• 1:51:56
  the kind of dysfunctions that we're saying, and the only way is for them
• 1:52:00
  to return to doing their job. You know that's funny because you know they
• 1:52:04
  say, the communists say women hold up half the sky. Okay, well
• 1:52:08
  what happens when women stop? Mm hmmm? Are women responsible for holding up
• 1:52:14
  half the sky? If you say that they're there, if they hold up
• 1:52:16
  half the sky, does that mean they are responsible? Yes, that means
• 1:52:20
  they can be held responsible. That means when things are fucking up, maybe
• 1:52:25
  they are the ones who aren't holding up the sky. Okay, yeah,
• 1:52:30
  do you want to go through the Helen the Helen pluck Rose thing? As
• 1:52:34
  long as it's short, I mean, I mean it is pretty So what
• 1:52:40
  was that? Just just switch gears and talk a bit about how Helen pluck
• 1:52:44
  rows like this this announcement and then all the ship she got for it.
• 1:52:47
  Yeah, I know. So you guys know Helen pluck Rose is the guy
• 1:52:51
  is the grievance Studies. Yeah, so Helen pluck Rose pictures here was one
• 1:52:58
  of the Grievance Studies perfessors along with James Lindsey and Peter Bogosian. We had
• 1:53:03
  Helen pluck Rose on our show once. It was like a couple of years
• 1:53:08
  ago. It was me Aidan Paladin and her where we talked about the Greeven
• 1:53:13
  Studies thing. And Helen pluck Rose has been according to Gen Gen inspect we
• 1:53:21
  are thrilled to announce Helen pluck Rose has joined our advisory board. Helen pluck
• 1:53:26
  Rose is a political and cultural writer and commentator who highlights and opposes ideological capture
• 1:53:30
  and vital institutions. Helen above all just wants people to value evidence based epistemology
• 1:53:38
  and the free exchange of ideas. And the Internet lost their mind. And
• 1:53:45
  I would say the Helen pluck Rose is not really like all that, Like
• 1:53:51
  I don't know, I just don't. She's not that based, so I'll
• 1:53:54
  just put it that way. She seems like a nice person. I had
• 1:53:57
  her on the show, not that based, just and that that's just like
• 1:54:02
  you guys, you know, have whatever opinion you want. But that's what
• 1:54:03
  I think. Now. I'm not I'm not raging about it. Whatever.
• 1:54:08
  I think everybody, you know, they're moving at their own pace. Everybody's
• 1:54:11
  where they are. Yeah, people are where they are, right So as
• 1:54:15
  long as you're pursuing truth, then hopefully you know, and I'll continue to
• 1:54:17
  pursue truth and hopefully we'll arrive at the same place. But you know,
• 1:54:21
  right now, not, I don't find her. What I'm saying is she's
• 1:54:26
  like JK Rowling. Just not They're not that base Like I'm just like,
• 1:54:30
  Okay, I don't know why so mad at her. She's not really doing
• 1:54:32
  anything to blow my skirt up. But what Okay, I don't I don't
• 1:54:36
  think she's comparing her to JK Rowling. No, I'm in terms of the
• 1:54:42
  reaction. No, in terms of how much they did that. Yeah,
• 1:54:45
  okay, I gotcha, opposite reason. I don't think they're the same person.
• 1:54:48
  But okay, So let's look in the let's look in the let's look
• 1:54:53
  at the replies to this good news. Genevieve Gluck says, very disappointing.
• 1:54:59
  Pluck Rose has a history of mocking women generally, but also those who question
• 1:55:02
  her claims that feminism, example, radical feminism, is the source of gender
• 1:55:08
  identity ideology GI was developed by sexologists and psychiatrists, but she appears to have
• 1:55:14
  a bias in this. This sounds like a familiar conversation that we've been listening
• 1:55:18
  to for like the past couple of weeks. It may have been developed by
• 1:55:23
  sexologists and psychiatrists, but feminists were the ones who politicized it. Couldn't those
• 1:55:28
  sexologists and psychiatrists also be feminists. It's not like there's plenty of feminist psychologists.
• 1:55:33
  In fact, I would bet that most of them are. Yeah,
• 1:55:38
  but they're trying to say, oh, no, it wasn't us. It
• 1:55:41
  doesn't matter. You guys are the one who politicized it. You're the ones
• 1:55:44
  who gave it political power. The end. Here's another one. This one's
• 1:55:49
  this one's interesting. DJ Lippi says she has expressed some pretty lesbophobic comments the
• 1:55:58
  hell it's lesbo oobia about butch lesbians in the past, liking them to men,
• 1:56:05
  liking them to men. Meanwhile, she refuses to engage with the substantial
• 1:56:10
  substantive aspects of the debate and what defines true trans other than aforementioned digs at
• 1:56:16
  g NC women. Wow, what is this lingo? DJ women? Gender
• 1:56:21
  normative gender or non conforming women are non conforming, not non binary, a
• 1:56:30
  whole different people. You certainly play if you are, if you are a
• 1:56:32
  butch lesbian, you certainly play the victim really like a femme. So yeah,
• 1:56:36
  I don't think you're that non conforming. Yep. So essentially she's being
• 1:56:41
  skewered for the increasingly confusing logical Does Helen still believe that women do not face
• 1:56:50
  abuse or discrimination, that transactivism is an anti patriarchy movement, that it does
• 1:56:57
  not so so wait, I thought that transactivism is not a feminist thing,
• 1:57:00
  but now it is in the same thread, in the same threat. Okay,
• 1:57:08
  Okay, she's actually saying that Helen pluck Rose is made trans. The
• 1:57:13
  trans movement, the anti patriarchy movement is basically all the ideologues eating each other
• 1:57:21
  over the transition. That it does not matter if organizations use whatever definition of
• 1:57:26
  man, woman, boy, girl, male female they fancy. Are GC
• 1:57:30
  women still bedbugs? What's that? They really? They really yeah, they
• 1:57:39
  really, they really flamed her. One woman said that that Helen pluck Rose
• 1:57:44
  is anti n GC women, and the other one says that she's anti GC
• 1:57:49
  women. Yeah, I gotta find out what this means gender conforming women.
• 1:57:56
  I guess I don't know. I don't I don't want to know. It's
• 1:57:59
  a rabbit hole, it's a rabbi hole. But I'm not ready to go
• 1:58:01
  down. New new General catalog of nimbulae and star clusters. That's so much
• 1:58:09
  nicer. Uh. Oh god, newts, new generation, New New German
• 1:58:20
  cinema, new generation crew. I didn't know pluck Rose had a strong opinion
• 1:58:26
  about New German cinema. Somehow. I don't think that's what that's what GC
• 1:58:30
  is. I don't think that it's made. It's going into the mainstream just
• 1:58:33
  yet. New generation huh, New Generation Computing Mastic Numatic Guarantee Corporation. No.
• 1:58:53
  Uh do you write g c N for Gabe Cube, an acronym referring
• 1:58:58
  to the GameCube. Yeah, that this I can get behind. Are you
• 1:59:05
  saying game cubes are bed bugs? I'm insulted. Okay, so I got
• 1:59:13
  some I got a super chow and a super gender critical feminism, gender critical
• 1:59:18
  non gender. Okay, so it's gender critical feminist trans exclusions. Okay,
• 1:59:25
  all right, so we got it, we got it. It's I'm sorry,
• 1:59:28
  folks, it's not New New German cinema as much as we would hope
• 1:59:31
  it would be. It's something far less productive to human existence. Apparently g
• 1:59:39
  n GC is gender critical and then non gender critical. So apparently critical critic
• 1:59:48
  means trans exclusionary radical feminist critical means I think gender critical is gender critical,
• 1:59:57
  the like I think that it's critical of. Then like a spreadsheet to keep,
• 2:00:03
  like like a like a glossary of terms. I don't care. I
• 2:00:10
  really don't. I don't care. I want people to just use a Gender
• 2:00:14
  critical feminists believe that sex is biological and immutable, including both gender identity and
• 2:00:20
  gender roles to be inherently oppressive. Okay, so gender critical feminists they believe
• 2:00:29
  that sex is biological and immutable, while believing gender, including both gender identity
• 2:00:33
  and gender roles, to be inherently oppressive. So gender identity is inherently oppressive.
• 2:00:48
  They reject the concept of transgender identities. Believe that sex is biological and
• 2:00:55
  immutable. All right, so for some reason we're acting out our biology.
• 2:01:01
  But also women are socialized by patriarchy to be oppressed. Good grief. There,
• 2:01:14
  I'm here, I'm here, I want to I want to show you
• 2:01:16
  something really quick. I'm just gonna jump to this pit that I wanna that
• 2:01:21
  I want to hear no offense, but it sounds like that's a fucking comed
• 2:01:26
  gobbledy goook. That's what I think. How do you how do you believe
• 2:01:36
  that gender identity is both biologically and oppressive? Biological and oppressive? Like how
• 2:01:43
  do you say that men are oppressing women but also that gender identity is a
• 2:01:48
  result of biology? Like, okay, so all of the things that women
• 2:01:53
  have done in the past are both the result of a biology but also the
• 2:01:57
  result of oppression or is just well, but the thing is that they're not
• 2:02:02
  even doing that. They're saying that women identifying as women is inherently oppressive.
• 2:02:11
  Well, okay, we'll stop doing that then, Like you're free now,
• 2:02:15
  leave the cage. No longer have to identify as women. The thing is
• 2:02:21
  not about the thing, all right. I got super chased and really really
• 2:02:28
  really want to understand this, Like I really want to understand this, Like,
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  let me just read it again, let me see if I can make
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  it work in my head. Gender critical feminists believe that sex is biological and
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  immutable, while believing gender, including both gender identity and gender roles, to
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  be inherently oppressive. They reject the concept of transgender. Okay, so what
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  they're saying is that women's gender identity is oppressive but also biological and immutable.
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  Yeah, that being a woman is oppressive because if you could change your gender,
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  then you you could also decide to not be oppressed anymore. So that
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  can't be allowed. So you're it's fixed, it's fate. But also you
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  can't transition. They have to be that's gender critical Feminists is popularly known as
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  turfs or second waiver. I feel bad, even if you don't think that
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  Pelen pluck Rose is particularly based, I feel bad that she has to wade
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  through this more aspect. I know. My point is not that I don't
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  feel bad. My point is that being like moderate or limp wristed in your
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  beliefs does not protect you from these people. So you might as well just
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  go all the way in. You might as well go to the hilt and
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  just be like because they're gonna hate you no matter what, So there's no
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  point being like limpristed, like well, you know, I'm a feminist from
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  the second wave. Like That's that's what Helen plucker Will said when I interviewed
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  her, well, I'm kind of a I believe that women are, you
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  know, and it's like, okay, you can if you want. But
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  it's not like they're you're going to be able to tell them. Hey,
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  guys, I'm kind of feminists because they're still going to eat you alive in
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  the comments. They don't care, so like why you rather conform or die?
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  Like the gender critical, the gender critical feminists sort of sound like they
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  want to have their eat cake and eat it too. Yeah, of course,
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  well, welcome to feminism. It's like they want they want to welcome
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  to women. Basically, they want the biological the identity of women to be
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  biological, but also everything associated with women to be an oppressive role forced on
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  them by patriarchy, including identifying as a woman. They because they don't want
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  men to be able to be women, because the men would be able to
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  cash in on that sweet sweet oppression. So they got to keep they got
• 2:04:54
  to monopolize it. It's not worth thinking about. Yeah, let's finish up,
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  all right. So I got a super chat from Richard Bierre gives us
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  five bucks and says the Party of Single Women is In is a front for
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  cats trying to regain their status as deities that they used to have in ancient
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  Egypt. The cat was the symbol of nobility in ancient Egypt. That's from
• 2:05:20
  Dewey Cox, one of my favorite comedies. ZARAANX gives us ten dollars super
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  chat. Thank you. Oh, and here's a I'm sorry, here's a
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  badger chant for Richard Vierre. I forgot to put her up there. ZARAANX
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  gives us a ten dollars super chat and says Alex Syke, Brittany Venti,
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  et cetera. I view as spoilers. I don't consider Rollo as such.
• 2:05:41
  Some in the red Pillow space might have negative aspects, but they're more positive
• 2:05:45
  than negative spoilers. Smile if we fall. Oh. I don't think Bretney
• 2:05:48
  vnzi's red pilled, but I get what you're saying. I think she's just
• 2:05:51
  kind of like a I don't know, I'm not I'm he's just a mean
• 2:05:58
  girl on the internet. That's all. Thank you, ZARINX. Then I
• 2:06:01
  think I got one more just now from ZARANX for two dollars, and he
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  says second waivers are anti family. Thank you. Mona Charan Chiron Charon,
• 2:06:12
  like the Boatman that takes you to the rivers, down the river, sticks
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  to hades cheiron Boatman. All right, the faery Man that is all of
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  the super stuff. So we're done, all right then, Okay, So
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  to support the show, which is really critical to make sure that we can
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  keep talking about these things in the way that we do, which I think
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  is very unique because I haven't heard it before. Honestly, if you have,
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  like point us to it so we can talk to them as well.
• 2:06:58
  It'd be nice to find someone else so fell traveler on this lonely road,
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  you know. So if you're listening to this and you said, oh no,
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  we talked about in the show today. I have links to everything in the
• 2:08:03
  description, including a video we didn't really get to. But maybe we'll do
• 2:08:07
  this another Maybe we'll do this another time where roaming millennial Lauren Chen spoke to
• 2:08:11
  Carl Benjamin Sargan on the cod and the topic of men and women did come
• 2:08:16
  up. But maybe we'll look at this another time. Just keep in mind,
• 2:08:20
  like what we talked about today in terms of Alex Sykes, who totally
• 2:08:24
  is not a FED or works for them, and what the different things people
• 2:08:31
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  subscribe, comment, hit the bell and we'll talk to you guys. Wait
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  wait, wait, wait wait, Brian, could you just clarify what you
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  were saying? No, I just want you to clarify because I didn't quite
• 2:08:43
  understand what you were saying. Something about Alex Syke, And well, Alex
• 2:08:48
  psych has a certain he had a certain view on what the problem was.
• 2:08:54
  And Lauren Chen and Carl the their perspectives a little different, and I think
• 2:09:01
  that their perspective is more fair, although I think there are still some blind
• 2:09:05
  spots. But I think that I think what I get from it is I
• 2:09:11
  honestly believe this. I think that Lauren Chan and Carl they do care about
• 2:09:16
  these issues and they're aware of the potential like like damage that's coming if these
• 2:09:22
  are not addressed. And I think that Alex Syke is just like, I
• 2:09:26
  don't know, selling something I don't know, I mean, selling not your
• 2:09:31
  problem fields. Yeah, that's what he's not. I can't think of what
• 2:09:33
  it could be, but it's not helpful in my opinion, not your problem,
• 2:09:37
  Fields, Alex Syke is telling everybody it's not our problem. We don't
• 2:09:43
  have to worry about it. It's men's problem. They have to fix it,
• 2:09:48
  and we don't have to change, and we don't have to put hold
• 2:09:50
  women into account. We don't have to hold our institutions to account, which
• 2:09:54
  is probably even the bigger thing. We don't have to hold our institutions to
• 2:09:58
  account. We just we just play men some more. It's not our problem,
• 2:10:01
  Field, not our problem can continue. Sorry, I just wanted you
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  to clarify because I was Yeah, that's kind of what it is, all
• 2:10:07
  right, But anyway, Yeah, so thanks guys for coming on the show.
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