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Mystery Surrounding Teen Girl Found Sex Attacked, Murdered at Boyfriend's Family Home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and East Texas and Murder
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  Speaker 1: rocks a community, and now fourteen years later, the mother
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  Speaker 1: of a beautiful teen girl is still searching for answers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. What happened to Brittany? Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: this Winnsboro, Texas is two thousand and seven. What would
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  Speaker 1: seem like an ordinary day for nineteen year old Brittany
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  Speaker 1: mclough as suddenly wasn't. She was just beginning her laugh,
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to going college. After working her night shift
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  Speaker 1: at this Low's distribution center, she headed to her boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Stagner's house just on the other side of this fence,
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  Speaker 1: in a small home by Lake Winnsboro. Hours later, somewhere
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  Speaker 1: between eight am to three pm, mcloan was savagely murdered
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  Speaker 1: and Stagner's bent. She had been bludgeoned with a heavy
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  Speaker 1: sharp object. She had been sexually assaulted. It's almost too
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  Speaker 1: much to take in. She had just recently celebrated her
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  Speaker 1: teen birthday. Her mom tells me it was a little
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  Speaker 1: family party. Like most of us, had growing up where
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  Speaker 1: mom makes a cake and we see happy birthday. That
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  Speaker 1: was her last birthday, And even now fifteen years later,
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  Speaker 1: there are no answers now in this world that we
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  Speaker 1: live in, of touch DNA and genetic markers and genetic
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  Speaker 1: genealogy and epiphilial cells and miticonjual DNA and on and on,
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  Speaker 1: And why is this family still looking for answers in
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  Speaker 1: the brutal attack on their ting girl? And what a
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  Speaker 1: beauty on the inside and out? Did you hear that
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  Speaker 1: she was working? You know a lot of teams are
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  Speaker 1: at home on their Xbox with a TV blaring in
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  Speaker 1: the background, sitting on the sofa eating chips. Not her,
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  Speaker 1: not her? Why did this happen? Who did this to her?
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  Speaker 1: And why have they not been brought to justice? With
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  Speaker 1: me and All Star panel, But before I introduced you
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  Speaker 1: are experts, I want to go to a very special
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  Speaker 1: guest joining me, Patricia Tye. This is Brittany mcgloane's mother
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her on Facebook. And I never
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  Speaker 1: imagine these words being in one sentence. You can find
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  Speaker 1: Britney's mother at who killed Brittany McGlone on Facebook? Miss Tice,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you for having
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  Speaker 1: me and wearing Britney's story. Nancy, that hurts my heart
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  Speaker 1: even imagine what you've been through saying thank you to me.
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  Speaker 1: There's absolutely no need, miss Tye. Tell me when you
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  Speaker 1: first became worried that something was wrong with Britney. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was the afternoon of May fourth. Her boyfriend called
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  Speaker 1: me to ask me if Brittany was with me, and
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  Speaker 1: I was very alarmed and I said, no, she's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be with you. She had worked the overnight shift
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  Speaker 1: at a Lows distribution center, you know, got off at
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  Speaker 1: six thirty seven, and it was the first time she
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  Speaker 1: ever went straight to the boyfriend's home instead of coming home,
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  Speaker 1: taking shower, eating and taking an out. Let Me understand something,
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  Speaker 1: miss tythe Yeah, so she gets off at six thirty
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  Speaker 1: am or pm am. She worked night. That's hard. That
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  Speaker 1: it's hard. My dad did a swing shift, or as
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  Speaker 1: he said, first second third chicks sometimes said be in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, sometimes the afternoon, the evening over a night.
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  Speaker 1: That's hard. That's hard on your body. But she did. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so she gets all six thirty am. Okay, yes, And
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  Speaker 1: like I said, it was the first time she had
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  Speaker 1: ever gone straight to the boyfriend's house. So when he
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  Speaker 1: called me asking if Brittany was with me, I was
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  Speaker 1: alarmed and I said, no, she's supposed to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: And what time was that? That was afternoon? Three three
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  Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon. Whoa okay, yes, between six thirty
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  Speaker 1: and three thirty, Okay, go ahead. And so I hung
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  Speaker 1: up on him and called Britney's phone and it went
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  Speaker 1: straight to voicemail, and her phone was an appendage. She
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  Speaker 1: would have answered the phone. So I called the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: back and said, she's not answering the phone, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: he said, she's here. She's sleeping. She's just sleeping hard.
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  Speaker 1: And then a little bit after that, fifteen twenty minutes
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  Speaker 1: after that, two Wood County officers knocked on the door
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  Speaker 1: and they asked for Brenda or Debbie, and we told
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  Speaker 1: them there was no bun in our home by that name,
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  Speaker 1: and so they left and just something didn't feel right.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's very disjoint. Yes, So out of the blue,
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  Speaker 1: that afternoon, May four cops show up at your door
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  Speaker 1: asking for Brenda or Debbie. Yes, okay, so I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was, I just I just had that mother's intuition,
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  Speaker 1: so I called the sheriff's office. The sheriff himself got
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  Speaker 1: on the phone and told me to stay put. He
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  Speaker 1: was sending the deputies back, so I knew for sure
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  Speaker 1: something was wrong. They took me into the house alone,
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  Speaker 1: and verbatim, they said, your daughter is deceased, Oh dear
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  Speaker 1: Lord in heaven. They wouldn't give me any details, not
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  Speaker 1: even cause of death, and they left. I was there
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  Speaker 1: with my blind mom, my teenage sons, and we were
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  Speaker 1: in crisis. Okay, wait a minute, you're blind mom. Your
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  Speaker 1: mother lived with you, Yes, we all lived again. How
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  Speaker 1: old was your mom at that time? Let's see, um,
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  Speaker 1: she was sixty two. And your dad also lived there.
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  Speaker 1: He did, He wasn't on the road truck driver, he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't home when this happened. Okay, and your son, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had two sons still living at home that were
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  Speaker 1: in high school. Ay, just at that time. They were
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  Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen, and they had been home all night
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  Speaker 1: from six thirty when she got off from Lowes until. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That they had been with you the entire time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and they were in school. They went to Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and your father's whereabouts are not. I mean your dad's
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  Speaker 1: whereabouts are known because he was doing long haul trucking. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I want to say he was
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  Speaker 1: it way up northeast. And what about Britney's father. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where he was at the time. I think
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  Speaker 1: when he was informed by telephone by law enforcement. I
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  Speaker 1: want to say he and his wife were at a
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  Speaker 1: movie or on their way to a movie, same town.
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  Speaker 1: Noah account about twenty three miles away. Okay, so for
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  Speaker 1: springs and so the why his wife can account for
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  Speaker 1: us whereabouts the entire afternoon room, definitely, And he was
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  Speaker 1: working too, so I'm sure his work canto. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: joining me as Patricia tiss Is, Brittany McGlone's mother. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine you know something's not quite right? You
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  Speaker 1: keep calling your daughter. I just want to cross myself
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  Speaker 1: just saying it, because I'm thinking or calling my son
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  Speaker 1: or daughter and it goes straight to voicemail, which I hate.
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  Speaker 1: And she's not home from work, she's not where she's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be to depudes, come to your door in
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  Speaker 1: the midst of this confusion and ask for two people
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  Speaker 1: that you've never heard of at your door. They leave,
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  Speaker 1: You call the sheriff and go what's going on? They
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  Speaker 1: go up. Wish in the deputies back to your place.
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  Speaker 1: I want to understand, Miss tys, more about Brittany. I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear about who Brittany is. Guys, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our Forensic crime online. Britney McLoone had taken
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  Speaker 1: a year off after graduating high school and was working
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  Speaker 1: two jobs to save money for college. She planned to
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  Speaker 1: attend Baylor University and study nursing. One of her jobs
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  Speaker 1: was at the Lowe's distribution center in Mount Vernon. On
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  Speaker 1: the morning of May fourth, she finished her overnight shift
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  Speaker 1: and drove to her boyfriend's house in Windsboro to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: His family also lived at that house. Her mother became
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  Speaker 1: concerned when she couldn't get through to Brittany on her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone. Britney's sister, Hope said, Britney's mother called so
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  Speaker 1: many times she filled up her voicemail just trying to
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  Speaker 1: take that in. You know, that's an important fact, A
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  Speaker 1: subtle but important fact, Miss Tis, is that the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: also lived with his family as well, correct and they
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  Speaker 1: were home. The mother went to work, the brother's sister
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  Speaker 1: went to high school. The stepdad and the boyfriend went
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  Speaker 1: to Dallas to pick up a grandmother from the airport.
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  Speaker 1: So while they lived there, they were not at home
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  Speaker 1: at the time your daughter was there. They left Brittany
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  Speaker 1: home alone. Yes, okay, let me understand. Did the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: have a job that he went to No, he did
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  Speaker 1: not work. He did not work. And what was his age?
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  Speaker 1: I think he was twenty one? He was twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: and Brittany's age just turned nineteen. Yes, she was about
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  Speaker 1: nineteen and a half. Guys earlier, you were hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friends at k et Kate. Now take a lesson to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at Fox fifty one. Brittany was on her
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  Speaker 1: way to her boyfriend's house. Several hours later, she never
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  Speaker 1: came home. Law enforcement found Brittany was tragically beaten, sexually assaulted,
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  Speaker 1: and murdered. Her killer was never found. She hasn't over
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  Speaker 1: just said that she deserves So that's that's really important
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  Speaker 1: to us. So we're hoping for some answers, hopefully sooner
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  Speaker 1: than later. How can fifteen years pass with no answers?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to our friends, Sarah Alegre. Before that horrifying moment,
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  Speaker 1: Brittany left her night shift at this Low's distribution center
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  Speaker 1: and went to her boyfriend and Jeff Stagner's house in
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  Speaker 1: a small home by Lake Winsborough. Her boyfriend called and
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  Speaker 1: asked if Brittany was with me, and immediately I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: She's supposed to be with Hugh. You know, it just
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel right. Between eight am to five thirty pm
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  Speaker 1: at Brittany was reportedly murdered in Stagner's bed. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: really grappling with these facts and the reality that the
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  Speaker 1: case has still gone unsaw. Take a listen to more
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  Speaker 1: from our friends katk. Her boyfriend called no Little one
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  Speaker 1: Stagner returning home to an unrecognized body and a horrifying
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  Speaker 1: crime scene that could have been your daughter, your sister,
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  Speaker 1: your cousin, you know, your friend. What happened to her
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  Speaker 1: could happen to anyone, and with somebody still running around
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  Speaker 1: out there free, it probably will. That thought igniting urgency
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  Speaker 1: in the community, including recently elected Wood County Sheriff Kelly Cole.
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  Speaker 1: I actually worked here. I was a Kremlin investigator here
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  Speaker 1: at that time. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, it's
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  Speaker 1: not fitting together from me. I want to go out
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  Speaker 1: to another special guest joining us in addition to Britney's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Patricia Tys. Amy names is with me True Crime Writer.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Dark Aberration Amy. Let me
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  Speaker 1: understand the movements of the boyfriend that afternoon, and then
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, I'm going to come back
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  Speaker 1: straight to you. We need to get a t D
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  Speaker 1: time of death so I can work that into the
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  Speaker 1: crime line. And if I can get that time of
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  Speaker 1: death even within say forty five minutes to an hour,
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  Speaker 1: I can start ruling people out to see what I
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  Speaker 1: mean to. Amy Knaves is joining me, truecome Writer. You
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  Speaker 1: can find her at Dark Aberrations Blog. Amy, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. Can we just try from the beginning, Amy,
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  Speaker 1: what you know from the moment that she Brittany got
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  Speaker 1: off from her overnight shift at the Lows Distribution Center. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: this goes down in Wood County, Tipline, Wood County Sheriff
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  Speaker 1: nine o three seven six three two two zero one
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  Speaker 1: repeat nine zero three seven six three two zero one. Amy,
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  Speaker 1: let's start out to get go what happened. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of information that's not out there because the
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  Speaker 1: investigation is ongoing, but to stop right there. Wendy Patrick
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  Speaker 1: joining me, California prosecutor, author Red Flags, Wendy Patrick, PhD,
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  Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy kb Q. Wendy ongoing investigation. Really,
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  Speaker 1: it's been fifteen years. Release it, help us solve the case.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen years of a quote ongoing investigation is too long
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  Speaker 1: in anybody's eyes. It's the kind of thing that you
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  Speaker 1: would argue transparency is going to generate leads before memories fade.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get as much community participation and information
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  Speaker 1: as we can. So it's unacceptable. And I am sure
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  Speaker 1: that Britney's mother would agree to have not disclosed more
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  Speaker 1: over the course of that time. Do you, miss Tis?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I don't get it, miss Tis. What are
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  Speaker 1: they sitting on? You know? If anybody knows, please jump in,
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  Speaker 1: As I always say, this ain't no tea party at
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  Speaker 1: High Grove with the Queen, all right, jump in if
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  Speaker 1: you have a thought or a suggestion or a line
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  Speaker 1: of inquiry, let's hear it. To Amy Naves joining us,
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  Speaker 1: true crime writer and blogger. Sorry to cut you off
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  Speaker 1: right there at the get go, but hiding behind the
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  Speaker 1: claim this is an ongoing investigation, so we can't release
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  Speaker 1: the info. You know what, that reminds me of Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Delphi case. Abigail and Liberty
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  Speaker 1: have been dead for years and we think they have
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  Speaker 1: a picture and sound of their killer, but still the
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  Speaker 1: cops won't release information. You know what, give it up? So,
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  Speaker 1: Amy naves I understand you're working without all the facts.
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  Speaker 1: But what do we know, dear. We know that obviously
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  Speaker 1: missus Tyce couldn't get in touch with her daughter all day.
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  Speaker 1: It was a until two thirty that afternoon that she
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  Speaker 1: finally was able to get in touch. That she finally,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, gave up on trying to call her daughter
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  Speaker 1: and called Stagner instead. So you have a gap between
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  Speaker 1: when Brittany arrived that morning and two thirty that afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, at the time Brittany's mother reached him,
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  Speaker 1: he said that you know, they had been out to
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  Speaker 1: the airport picking up a relative and that they were
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  Speaker 1: just pulling into the driveway, that Britney's car was still there,
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  Speaker 1: and then they went into the house and that's when
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  Speaker 1: they discovered Britney's body. But the time of death is
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  Speaker 1: listed as somewhere between eight am and three pm, which
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  Speaker 1: is a huge window. Not helpful at all. He just
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  Speaker 1: told me something I didn't know, Amy Knaves. Patricia Tys.
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  Speaker 1: So the boyfriend says that when Brittany got there, he
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  Speaker 1: was already gone with his family to pick someone up
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  Speaker 1: at the airport. No, that's not my understanding. Okay, what's
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  Speaker 1: your understanding that the entire family was still there when
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  Speaker 1: Brittany got there. Okay, so the whole family's there, Amy Knaves.
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  Speaker 1: The family boyfriend's family sees her come in, All right,
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  Speaker 1: I assume this is what the family says. They she
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  Speaker 1: goes into the bedroom because she's exhausted from an overnight shift.
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  Speaker 1: She lays down to go to sleep, and then they
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  Speaker 1: all leave to go to the airport. Is that correct,
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  Speaker 1: Amy Knaves, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: I misinterpreted something you said. You didn't say he left
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  Speaker 1: at six thirty in the morning. Now I extrapolated that,
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  Speaker 1: so I understand what you're saying. Now. So she gets
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  Speaker 1: there six thirty ish, shicks forty after her shift, She's exhausted,
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  Speaker 1: goes to sleep. The whole family, Caesar, come in, go
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  Speaker 1: to bed, and then what time, Amy Knaves, do they
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  Speaker 1: say that they left to pick up someone at the airport.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and this may be incorrect, but I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: that is the fact that they say that she was
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  Speaker 1: murdered somewhere between eight am and three pm, that eight
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  Speaker 1: am is the last time someone saw her alive. What
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  Speaker 1: do you know? To Patricia Tyss as Brittany's mother? And
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say, again, Miss Tis, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: because to analyze the facts surrounding your daughter's murder has
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  Speaker 1: got to be excruciating, but you're doing it to try
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  Speaker 1: to get answers, and that takes a stomach of steel
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of backbone. Now, explain to me what
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  Speaker 1: happened between six thirty and eight am to your knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Tis, as far as I know, the two kiddos
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  Speaker 1: that we're in high school, we're getting ready to go
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  Speaker 1: to high school. Mom was getting ready to go to work,
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  Speaker 1: and the stepdad and the boy friend, we're getting ready
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  Speaker 1: to go to Dallas. Who exactly went to Dallas to
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  Speaker 1: pick up who is it coming intown? It was a grandmother? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that's confirmed and I can prove that correct. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So b F, boyfriend and b F stepdad leave to
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  Speaker 1: go to Dallas. Now, I understand that where this occurred
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  Speaker 1: in Wood County. I'm from a county as well, bib County,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not a city. It's out in a when
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  Speaker 1: I grew up anyway, farmland. And I understand this area
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  Speaker 1: of Wood County is rural, yes, densely forested. And I
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  Speaker 1: understand that the boyfriend's family home is on a dead
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  Speaker 1: end road. It's not like it's a cutthrough from one
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  Speaker 1: big exchange to another big exchange, but two big streets,
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  Speaker 1: right exactly. Okay, I'm just getting all these facts in
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  Speaker 1: my mind. So boyfriend and boyfriend stepdad leave to go
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  Speaker 1: to Dallas to pick up grandma. That's been confirmed. What
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  Speaker 1: time did they leave, Miss Tye? Around eight o'clock? All right,
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  Speaker 1: they leave at eight am. But here's the thing. Has
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  Speaker 1: the mom boyfriend's mom already left for work at that time? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: One time? Did she leave a little bit before eight
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  Speaker 1: to drop? She took the kids to school. Are you
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  Speaker 1: saying seven thirty or five till eight? Probably seven thirty? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So guth thirty minute window when mom and the two
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  Speaker 1: brothers leave. It's a brother. It was a brother and
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  Speaker 1: sister brother, two siblings. Thank you, got it? And I'm
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  Speaker 1: taking all this in. They're gone at seven thirty, boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: and stepdad leave at eight. Okay, I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out to Amy Nay's True Crime writer and blogger, was
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  Speaker 1: there any forced entry into the home? I didn't find
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  Speaker 1: any indication from any of the reports that there was
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  Speaker 1: any fourth entry. Is it true that the home it's
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  Speaker 1: no longer there, that's corrected, it's been torn down? Why that?
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  Speaker 1: I do not know the answer to. What do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Patricia tis Britney's mom? Why was the home destroyed? I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea either. I was just told when it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be destroyed, and I was assured that
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  Speaker 1: they had retrieved any evidence that might be left in
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  Speaker 1: the home. This was from the Texas Attorney General's office.
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  Speaker 1: Has something been built on top of it? There is
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  Speaker 1: another home on top of it? Yes? Okay, all right?
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  Speaker 1: We don't have any forced entry? Is that right? Between
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  Speaker 1: Patricia and Amy? No forced entry? Did they routinely lock
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  Speaker 1: the door when they left? Yes? Okay? Was DNA taken
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  Speaker 1: from Britney's body? Does anyone know the answer to that?
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  Speaker 1: I was told that there was some unknown DNA found
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on her leg, but that it's not conclusive. And I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was also told that whoever killed Brittany it was like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they went in there wrapped in saran wrap. That's how
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: little evidence was there. Joining me right now in addition
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to doctor Jeff Gardier, clinical psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine Truro College,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and author Joseph Scott Morgan joining me Jacksonville State University,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Professor forensics, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and star of a brand new hit series, Bodybacks with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart Joe Scott, it's the timeline.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's the timeline. One more quick question, what time Patricia
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: or Amy did the family get back with Grandma? Three o'clock?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Right around? Yeah? Okay, got you three o'clock Jef Scott
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Morgan way in. Yeah, they've painted this with very broad strokes.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a seven hour window where they're saying
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: where between eight am and three pm? I mean, I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: could tell you that. I'm just said j D because
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the fai, the boyfriend and the step died. By the way,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: boyfriend has passed a polygraph before we jump on that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bandwagon and veer off the road. Boyfriend has passed a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: poly Is it totally conclusive? No? Is it helpful to know? Yes?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It is, Joe Scott, Really, the Emmy no offense death
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: investigator is telling me something I already know. I mean,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the family leaves at eight am, she's alive, they get
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: back at three. She's been brutally sexist at it and murdered.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So of course it happened between eight and three. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was expecting a little bit more. Joe Scott. Well, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: even have a death investigator. Yeah, well, I still I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: don't buy the fact that. First off, Texas doesn't have
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: an EMMY system. They have Justices of the piece. I'm sorry,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you're talking gibberish. What they don't have mes They call
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: them Emmy's and they're larger towns. But just suffice it
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to say, the justice of the peace in the counties
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in Texas act as de facto corners. I've had dealings
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: with these kinds of cases. Are they doctors, No, Oh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they're like magistrates. That's like no offense, Jackie. That's like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: me calling in Jackie to do my heart surgery or
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: my brain surgery. No offense, because you can do a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff, Jackie. But that's not one of them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, why would you have a magistrate judge who
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: may or may not be a lawyer. You don't even
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have to be a lawyer. They act as a de
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: facto corner. And I'd be very curious to know if
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that person phrases they work in place of a corner.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: They don't have traditional corners. So my question is, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: this is to the heart of the matter, did this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: individual from that representative jurisdiction actually physically show up and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: do a post more assessment assessment relative to post mortem interval,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and that is the p M. I is the time
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: since death, all right, and there's several ways we measure that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Let me just slow this down, Mustang Sally am I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: post mortem interval whoa whoa? Wait wait, post mortem means
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: after death interval period of time. I don't know why
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you talk like that. See, you're the reason and people
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like you that I had to go through every single
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: line like I was diagramming a sentence like you do
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in the fifth grade or whatever grade with medical examiners
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: because they talk like you you think a jury knows
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, because if a jury doesn't understand it,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: then nobody else is going to understand it. I think
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the time that has passed since Brittany
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was murdered, right, yes, thank you, we're not clarifying that. Okay.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, hey, I want you to hear something just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: got this may help take a listen to our friends
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: at crime Online. According to Wood County Sheriff's Office in Quitman, Texas,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: detectives believe Brittany was killed between the hours of eight
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: am and three pm. She had been sexually assaulted and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: beaten with an unknown object. An autopsy ruled that she
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: had died from massive head trauma. Many people were questioned
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: by detectives, including Brittany's boyfriend and his family, but no
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: suspects have been publicly named, and the sheriff adds nobody
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: has been officially ruled out either. Okay, I guess that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: means they're talking about the boyfriend and the family. Nobody
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: has been officially ruled out either. I do know the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: boyfriend has passed to Polly amy names is that true?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: The boyfriend passed to Polly. The boyfriend and I believe
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: several members of the family have all passed Paula Grasse
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: because that's how you look at first, not just the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: BF boyfriend, but you look at the stepfather too, you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: look at everybody. It's really hard for me to imagine though.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to go down the line
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: avenue that the boyfriend did it or the stepfather boyfriend's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: stepfather did it, you would have to believe that either
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the mother didn't hear a thing before she left, the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: siblings heard nothing. There's that thirty minute window between seven
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: thirty and eight where mom took the others to school
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: before stepfather and BF left for airport. You'd have to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: then believe that one of them committed the crime and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the other heard nothing or colluded. That complicates trying to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: blame them. I mean, is it possible, sure? But is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that probable? Is it probable that one heard nothing when
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a woman's being horribly bludgeoned and sex assaulted or colluded
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in it. We do have the fly in the ointment.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Let me just say that she may have been asleep,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: so she may not have been able to scream out.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But let's explore that in a moment. I'm off on
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a tangent back to you, Joe Scott Morgan. That's the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: best you can give me, That's the best They can
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: do eight to three. I mean, I've got the boyfriend's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: mother telling me that why do I need a death investigator? Yeah?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: No kidding, And keep in mind and per the report,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: just like was just stated, police said that that didn't
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: come from them. They did not come from the emmy
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that you know, the emmy was probably not The police
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: said what well, they said that they'd been dead, that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: she had been They gave the assessment they talked about
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: in the report. They talked about the trauma that this
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: poor child sustained, and then they talked about this window
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of time. You know, I've got to go to doctor
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier on this just a moment, Doctor Jeff, if
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I may call you that, long time friend, Board certified
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine TURO College at doctor Jeff
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Gardeer dot com, author of the Causes of Autism, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I believe you've written several other books, have you not? Yes, Yes,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I have around family issue. Okay, doctor Jeff. I assume
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you've seen Barney Fife and Andy Mayberry. Yes I have. Okay.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: How is it that people think they know everything? For instance,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I just said I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know the intricacies of determining cod cause of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: death or time of death. Why would a magistrate or
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a cop think they know everything and not bring in
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: an expert. I think what you're looking at here is
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a situation of don't say, small town mentality, don't go there. Okay,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: well then you just uh, you know, torpedoed what I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: was gonna say. So let me go in saying then
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I can fight with you. Go ahead, okay, all right. Well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it's a situation of a very small community and you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: have individuals, perhaps you know in law enforcement or other
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: official capacities, who've done things in a certain way for
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a certain time. You know, Nancy, we talk about standards
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of care. In a large, large city, there are many
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: more options and many more exposures with regard to different
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: types of expertise in hospitals. Here, this is a situation
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of something where you know, we're talking about a smaller
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: scope of expertise, and therefore individuals can be very confident
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that they're giving what the standard care or standard expertise is.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But in this case, we know that it is not enough.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: A lot more should have been done, can be done,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: hopefully will be done, and I believe that there will
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be more information and evidence that can be parsed out
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and examined. Okay, still trying to figure out why people
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: think they know everything. I mean, what I do know
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: for sure is that I don't know everything. It's the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: only thing I really know. And it would be a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: cold a and h E double l to Miss Patricia
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: tyss as Britney's mother, that I would come upon a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: crime scene. And I've been on many many homicide scenes
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and think I knew it all. Sure, I know how
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to make measurements and take pictures and look for forensic evidence.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: But for instance, did they search the entire room and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: home with lumin all to see if there had been
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a struggle in another room? How can there be a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: brutal sex attack and there's only DNA on her leg?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Did the person that raped her um wear a condom?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Did they wear plastic gloves? You said something? Or was
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: either Amy Knaves from Dart Aberrations said something that it
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was commented the killer must have come in hermetically sealed
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: in plastic. Right? Was that humistice? That was? That's what
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the Attorney General investigator said to me. Explain what else
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: did the ag investigators say, Well, they said a whole lot,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: mostly saying that the investigation is in the purview of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Wood County Sheriff's Department. But when I would call Wood
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department, they would say, well, the Attorney General
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: has has the case. You know, a lot a lot
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of passing the buck, not taking any accountability or responsibility
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: for Britney's investigation. Why would they do a teen girl
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: mother like that? I mean, if somebody screwed up the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: investigation at the gate, go man up and say it
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and try to start over as best as you can.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at k t K, there are
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: words now in my vocabulary that I just can't believe
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that they're in there, you know, bludgeoned or sexual assault
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: or you know, even murder. But who's the culprit behind
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: those haunting words? Definitely made everyone feel very unsafe. Unanswered
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: questions leaves behind an eerie reminder of a cold hearted
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: killer at large, and those people are still out there.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: They are still out there, so you can't be careful
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: enough time stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Jeff Gardier,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it's light cursing or taking drugs or drinking. You may
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: be apprehensive the first time, but then after that it
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: gets really easy. If someone has already committed a murder,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: which they have, how easy will it be to do
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it again, to for instance, cover up evidence, get rid
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of a witness. Agree, disagree, doctor Jeff. Absolutely. One of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the psychological tenants we know is if you are not
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: discovered or you are not punished, then you will continue.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Just not being discovered or punishment or punished is a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: positive reinforcement to continue in your aberrant behaviors. Jess got Morgan,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: let's talk about them. The cod the mod cause a death,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: manner of death. What do you think? First, Blush, it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: up closed, very personal, a lot of anger involved. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: think that goes without saying. And it is almost like
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it is almost like she was tracked to this location.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's why right now, right now, at this moment, Nancy,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: my gut is not leaning toward the boyfriend's family. My
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: gut is leaning towards Lowe's distribution center. She just left
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: this place. It's about I don't know. I mean, it
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: looks like it's within about twenty miles of where she died. Now,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: keep in mind it's in a separate county, and this
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: thing is vast, Nancy, this distribution center. I was looking
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: at a satellite image. They actually created an exit off
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of Interstate thirty specifically for this place. It's massive. It's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a twenty four hour day operation. And when you see
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the scope of this place, and it's almost like a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: straight shot when you leave out of that location, you
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: go down to Winnsboro Lake down to that location and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: from there, and she could be easily followed. She's in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that environment. People know that she's leaving work, and God
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: only knows who was working in that location. We're talking
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: about unidentified DNA found on this baby's leg out there
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: at this scene, and I'm thinking, well, did they go
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: up there to lows and run through that entire group
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of people that were employed at that point in time.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about everybody from managers to forklift drivers and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to truck drivers. I mean, this is a distribution center.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: They're hopping on I thirty to take stuff all over
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the place. Stuff is coming in off of I thirty.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: There's even a railhead there, Nancy. So for me, when
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I look at this, that's what I'm thinking, Okay, let's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: follow your hypothesis through to its logical conclusion. Let's pretend
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: someone did follow her from Lows. Then what do they do?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Hide out on a dead end road and nobody sees them,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and they wait until everybody leaves the home. I mean,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: how would they know that the entire family was going
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to leave? The mom with the two siblings, she goes
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to work, takes into school. How would they know the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: boyfriend and the boyfriend's stepfather going to leave at eight
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: am to go to the airport. So they sat there
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and what hid behind a tree for an hour and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a half. Well, if it's somebody local that knows that location,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: we don't know what she said to somebody at work.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm dead tired, I've worked all night long.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to my boyfriend's trailer. I hope nobody's there
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that way. I'm going to sleep, and heads down to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that location by herself. Somebody up there may have known this. Remember,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much information people share
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: with folks that they work with, But you know, some
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: people know a lot about you that work with you.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: They know what your personal life is all about. Hey,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's a really good point. To put
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: your should tice. This is Britney's mom still struggling for answers.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Were any of the boyfriend's friends questioned someone that he
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: may have mentioned to I'm going to go pick up
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: my grandma from the airport, but hey, you can't come
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: over today because Britney's here. I mean, did anyone else
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: know within that circle that she would be there that morning?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Alone and unattended? The teenage sister's boyfriend new teenage sister boyfriend.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Has he taken a polly or submitted DNA? He both,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and he failed his polygraph, but no DNA connection. DNA
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: is pretty convincing. Let me tell he's like one in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: three trillion that you're not the person. Guys. The good
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: news here is there's a new sheriff in town, literally
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: rehashing this case. Take a listen hour cut twelve regarding
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: DNA at this point in time, you know, we'd look
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: at anyone or anything the crime scene, leaving behind DNA
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: evidence like bloodstains something they plan to retest. Let's use
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: technology we have now to try to see if we
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: can't solve this. But why over a decade later with
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: no answer? Cold case groups that have kind of looked
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: at some of this, did not look at evidence. They
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: just looked at the reports from things to Wendy Patrick
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: joining me, California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. Wendy,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that would be my first line of cross exam on
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: an expert witness for the defense. They didn't see the evidence.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: They're making an opinion judging off written reports. You've got
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to have this all the evidence we tested. Oh, that's
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: for sure. You know, memories may grow cold as to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the case, but you can breathe new life into a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: cold case through technology. And that's what this new sheriff,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with his fresh set of eyes and his work ethic,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: is intending to do. And that happens. I mean, we
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: have technology today that didn't exist even five years ago,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: much less fifteen. He'll take another look at the lack
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of forced entry. No DNA. I mean, you would have
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: thought the boyfriend's DNA would have been Now this is
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend girlfriend relationship. I would always think it's suspicious
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't. But the fact that he's going to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: take that fresh look, that's got to be great news
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: for Britney's family and for that community, because, as you said,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: if somebody gets away with murder once, how hard is
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: it the next time? That is a huge point. I'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: thinking about something, Miss Tye told us. Patricia Ties Britney's mom,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and you can find her on Facebook. Who killed Britney McLoone.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You said the boyfriend's sister. Boyfriend flunked to Polly, you think,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: but his DNA didn't match the DNA on her leg.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you can flunt a Polly. She could be
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: under suspicion for murder and be innocent. But then you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: lie on a Polly about smoking a joint and so
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you fail your Polly. That doesn't mean he committed the murder,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: but why would he flaunt the poly? Who else may
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: have known? She was there that day? And let me
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: remind everyone that the boyfriend and his stepfather were I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: actually caught on surveillance video. Isn't that right, Miss Tye? Yes,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that's correct. Where at what time after eight o'clock going
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: from Winnsboro to the Dallas area, which is about a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: two and a half hour drive each way, so it
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: can confirm that part of their story. Yes, Miss Tyce.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: How do you keep going some days? I don't, Nancy,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, losing my daughter that would be
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: bad enough, but then to murder, and thinking why anybody
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: would want to hurt her. She was a completely innocent victim.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And some days I just can't go forward, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I just have to be still mysties. Tell me your
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: most vivid memory of Brittany. I have so many, just
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: even when I had her. I wanted a little girl
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: so bad, and she was a dream child, you know, smart, funny, caring,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: not rebellious, no drugs, no alcohol, an honor student, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: she loved her family, and she made everyone that she
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: come in contact with, made them feel that they were
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the most important person in her life. And I would
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: very often look at her and just wonder how I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: got so lucky to have such, you know, a dream daughter.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Please help us solve the mystery surrounding Brittany like guns
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: murder tipline nine zero three seven six three two two
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: zero one. Goodbye friend,