Latest / The Front / Tom Cruise’s $350m ‘flop’ Digger is actually a masterpiece
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- 0:07Speaker 1: From The Australian, this is the weekend edition of The Front.
- 0:09Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. What if the movie we'd all been
- 0:16Speaker 1: told was a lemon was actually brilliant? Everyone's bagging Tom
- 0:20Speaker 1: Cruise for his part in Digger, which is on course
- 0:23Speaker 1: for a $ 240 million hit at the box office. But
- 0:27Speaker 1: is the criticism fair or just a schoolyard pile-on? Of course,
- 0:32Speaker 1: bad box office numbers and Tom Cruise don't usually go
- 0:35Speaker 1: hand in hand. And rough reviews are new territory for
- 0:38Speaker 1: Digger's director, Alejandro González Iñárritu, who started his career with
- 0:43Speaker 1: a bang. Amores Perros, a gritty tale of converging narratives,
- 0:47Speaker 1: was a hit with critics and fans alike, and there
- 0:50Speaker 1: have been Oscars along the way for Birdman and The Revenant.
- 0:55Speaker 1: Digger has been labelled an exhausting misfire and the ugliest
- 0:59Speaker 1: film of the year, but the ambitious satire does have
- 1:02Speaker 1: its defenders. One of them is Ben Affleck, Another is
- 1:05Speaker 1: my guest today, Senior Editor at Culture, Jill Rowbotham. Jill,
- 1:12Speaker 1: I've heard a theory that it's the trailer that tanked Digger,
- 1:15Speaker 1: so I thought we might watch it together.
- 1:17Speaker 2: Great.
- 1:18Speaker 1: I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
- 1:19Speaker 2: We're in a tight spot.
- 1:21Speaker 3: Now, do me a favor.
- 1:23Speaker 1: Imagine they're one of those people who think that Digger
- 1:25Speaker 1: Rockwell is Satan himself. Let's bomb the shit out of her, Mr.
- 1:31Speaker 3: President. I got a tomahawk so accurate it can shoot
- 1:33Speaker 3: the tits off a Russian ballerina from that way around
- 1:35Speaker 3: the world.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Please.
- 1:36Speaker 3: There are women present.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Well, there's a gag in there about the lack of women,
- 1:47Speaker 1: but in the trailer itself, there are, I counted, about
- 1:50Speaker 1: 50 men and four women, one of whom is a
- 1:52Speaker 1: statue wearing a blindfold. Are there more women in this
- 1:57Speaker 1: actual movie? No.
- 1:59Speaker 2: There are not. There's the woman who plays Digger's daughter,
- 2:06Speaker 2: and that's pretty much it. But I have to say,
- 2:08Speaker 2: I didn't notice the lack of it because the rest
- 2:10Speaker 2: of it is so engrossing. As you can see from
- 2:12Speaker 2: the trailer, it's a wild ride. And that was the
- 2:15Speaker 2: part I wasn't expecting because I had seen that trailer
- 2:19Speaker 2: and another trailer which featured the ghastly... fake cat the
- 2:22Speaker 2: robot cat having its temperature taken which which truly was
- 2:27Speaker 2: ugly and clearly was a fake so I thought well
- 2:29Speaker 2: what's going on here Tom Cruise is acting with a
- 2:31Speaker 2: fake cat this is just going to be a shocker
- 2:34Speaker 2: I think I'll just let this one go and wish
- 2:36Speaker 2: him well so I had no plans to see it
- 2:39Speaker 2: and then what changed well first of all I couldn't
- 2:42Speaker 2: believe how badly it had been received and And a
- 2:46Speaker 2: couple of colleagues of mine who work in culture had
- 2:48Speaker 2: both seen it and thought it was terrific. And then
- 2:51Speaker 2: the inevitable when you're a younger sister. My older sister
- 2:53Speaker 2: texted me and said, have just seen Digger. Can't wait
- 2:56Speaker 2: to hear what you think. And I had been planning
- 2:59Speaker 2: to write a column saying, you know, Tom Cruise has
- 3:02Speaker 2: every right to make a lemon. You know, he's made
- 3:05Speaker 2: a million films. It's okay if some of them are lemons.
- 3:07Speaker 2: So I was doing my research and stockpiling what had
- 3:10Speaker 2: gone well and what hadn't gone well and You know, why,
- 3:12Speaker 2: you know, a person whose talent and commitment, you know,
- 3:14Speaker 2: should be allowed to do this. And I thought, oh,
- 3:17Speaker 2: now I'm going to have to go and see it
- 3:19Speaker 2: because I'm about to say he's made a lemon and
- 3:21Speaker 2: this is okay. And then within half an hour, it
- 3:24Speaker 2: was clear to me, new problem, not a lemon, not
- 3:27Speaker 2: a dud, a very serious, searing film about one of
- 3:33Speaker 2: the major issues of our time, climate change. And whether
- 3:37Speaker 2: that works or not remains to be seen because not
- 3:39Speaker 2: enough people have been given the opportunity to actually see it.
- 3:43Speaker 2: Nobody turned up to the opening weekend. And that's when
- 3:45Speaker 2: I began to smell a rat. I thought something's going
- 3:47Speaker 2: on here. They didn't even turn up on the opening
- 3:50Speaker 2: weekend and then pan it. They just didn't show. Wow.
- 3:54Speaker 1: I've heard the same thing from other people who work
- 3:57Speaker 1: in the movie business, that the hype around it and
- 4:00Speaker 1: the reputation it now has for being a flop is
- 4:02Speaker 1: all you hear. And in fact, nobody's really talking about
- 4:05Speaker 1: the quality of the filmmaking. It seems from the trailer
- 4:07Speaker 1: very ambitious in lots of ways. Having no women in
- 4:11Speaker 1: your movie is quite ambitious and bold, I would say.
- 4:15Speaker 1: But also the staging of it seems big and impressive.
- 4:18Speaker 1: It looks like it cost a lot of money.
- 4:20Speaker 2: It's mesmerising because of all the detail. I read somewhere
- 4:22Speaker 2: the other day that the design of the set was
- 4:24Speaker 2: sort of high art, basically. It was just done within
- 4:27Speaker 2: detail after detail after detail. And I agree with all
- 4:30Speaker 2: of that. And of course, it makes it... Even more
- 4:33Speaker 2: surprising when part of that is drawn away, the film
- 4:36Speaker 2: set is drawn away, or what we think is a
- 4:38Speaker 2: film set is drawn away and revealed to be a play. And,
- 4:41Speaker 2: of course, it's exaggerated because it's a drama, a stage drama.
- 4:45Speaker 2: So you have two things happening. You have the film,
- 4:47Speaker 2: which is, yes, has high production values and is very
- 4:50Speaker 2: opulent and sophisticated and detailed. And you have the sets
- 4:55Speaker 2: for plays, which are equally impressive plays.
- 4:58Speaker 1: The last time I saw Tom Cruise wearing that amount
- 5:00Speaker 1: of prosthetics was in Tropic Thunder when he played another
- 5:04Speaker 1: kind of bloated captain of industry. In this case, it
- 5:07Speaker 1: was Les Grossman, the grossly unappealing studio boss.
- 5:11Speaker 3: Les Grossman.
- 5:12Speaker 2: We don't have money yet. Price now 100 million. Let
- 5:17Speaker 2: me get this down. 100 million. Oh, wait. I got
- 5:21Speaker 2: a better idea.
- 5:23Speaker 1: Instead of 100 million... How about I send you a
- 5:26Speaker 1: hobo's dick cheese? In the meantime, and as usual, go
- 5:30Speaker 1: fuck yourself. It's the most likeable thing I think he's
- 5:34Speaker 1: ever done. Tom Cruise showed that he has a sense
- 5:37Speaker 1: of humour, that he is funny. Is he funny in this?
- 5:40Speaker 2: There are funny lines in this, but no, the actor
- 5:43Speaker 2: that he plays, who is playing Digger... is a tortured man.
- 5:47Speaker 2: And so what you see is all the bluster and
- 5:52Speaker 2: the high volume and the rapid delivery, which he does
- 5:55Speaker 2: as Digger. And then when they draw back the camera
- 5:58Speaker 2: and see him backstage with his various prosthetic masks, because
- 6:02Speaker 2: Digger ages during the course of the film, what you
- 6:05Speaker 2: see there is a man who's actually grappling with a
- 6:07Speaker 2: very serious personal crisis.
- 6:09Speaker 1: There's a theory that the more of Tom Cruise running
- 6:12Speaker 1: in a movie there is, the better the movie does. Yeah.
- 6:22Speaker 1: Is that part of the issue with Tom Cruise that
- 6:24Speaker 1: we have typecast him or we only want him to
- 6:27Speaker 1: be saving the world in some way, running away from
- 6:31Speaker 1: explosions or running towards danger, being a hero?
- 6:35Speaker 2: Oh, possibly. As somebody who... I had a serious case
- 6:38Speaker 2: of FOMO last year when the last Mission Impossible was
- 6:41Speaker 2: about to come out, or what we thought might be
- 6:43Speaker 2: the last one. You know, hadn't seen, you know, numbers
- 6:45Speaker 2: two to six. I panicked and started watching Mission Impossible
- 6:51Speaker 2: over a series of weeks and saw all those films. And,
- 6:53Speaker 2: of course, he certainly has put himself in the frame
- 6:55Speaker 2: as an action man. He's very proud that at 62
- 6:58Speaker 2: he can do those stunts, that he can hang off
- 7:01Speaker 2: a biplane by a very small thread. And the scene
- 7:04Speaker 2: I thought was even more frightening was when he was
- 7:06Speaker 2: finding his way around a submerged submarine at the bottom
- 7:09Speaker 2: of the ocean. But those things, he revels in them.
- 7:19Speaker 2: He's known for it. And we can typecast him because
- 7:23Speaker 2: of that. But it's a mistake because he's a very
- 7:25Speaker 2: fine actor, in my opinion.
- 7:26Speaker 1: I tried to watch the Mission Impossible movies for the
- 7:29Speaker 1: same sense of FOMO. I wanted to go and see
- 7:30Speaker 1: the new one that was out in cinemas. And so
- 7:32Speaker 1: I thought, oh, you know, I'll go back a few
- 7:33Speaker 1: movies and start watching. And I thought they were terrible.
- 7:36Speaker 1: The high intensity dialogue scenes I thought were so lame.
- 7:40Speaker 2: She never mentioned the taser.
- 7:42Speaker 1: Mind telling me what this is all about? My mission
- 7:45Speaker 1: is classified.
- 7:45Speaker 2: Uh-huh. I need you to take me north.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Continue.
- 7:49Speaker 2: Continue. I'm expecting a set of exact coordinates via Morse
- 7:52Speaker 2: code transmission.
- 7:53Speaker 1: And just how exactly do you expect to receive them
- 7:56Speaker 1: down here?
- 7:57Speaker 2: You have to come to periscope depth, raise the antenna,
- 8:01Speaker 2: signal scan the low end of the VHF band. For
- 8:05Speaker 2: how long?
- 8:06Speaker 1: Maybe I've been spoiled because action now in the era
- 8:09Speaker 1: of the new James Bond, the more recent James Bond movies,
- 8:12Speaker 1: Slow Horses, et cetera, we have very high expectations of
- 8:16Speaker 1: what those movies are. They're not just things exploding anymore.
- 8:19Speaker 2: No, they're not. I enjoy them because I like a
- 8:21Speaker 2: good special effect, as I think you know. But I
- 8:25Speaker 2: also don't forget for a minute the intensity that he
- 8:28Speaker 2: brings to any role. And to somebody who likes a
- 8:31Speaker 2: good work ethic, I really appreciate that. And it's there
- 8:33Speaker 2: in this film too, the intensity and the hard work.
- 8:36Speaker 1: Okay, you've convinced me that this is a great film.
- 8:39Speaker 1: Why did all the other critics hate it?
- 8:40Speaker 2: I do think they should have shown a bit more
- 8:42Speaker 2: ankle in the marketing campaign. And I think it was
- 8:45Speaker 2: a very confusing campaign because nobody knew that actually there
- 8:49Speaker 2: were two sets of acting going on. There was Tom
- 8:53Speaker 2: Cruise playing an actor behind the scenes of a play,
- 8:56Speaker 2: and there was the actor playing Digger Rockwell. And so
- 9:01Speaker 2: people weren't sure what they were looking at. For the
- 9:03Speaker 2: first half hour, you're looking at Digger being completely mad
- 9:06Speaker 2: and all those scenes where, you know, John Goodman's sort
- 9:08Speaker 2: of the president and, you know, which is all really wild.
- 9:11Speaker 2: And then it just quietly, the sets fold away and
- 9:15Speaker 2: suddenly you're in a different, you're in the film, you're
- 9:18Speaker 2: in the actual film. And it's very different. And part
- 9:21Speaker 2: of the reason that I liked it was because of
- 9:23Speaker 2: the surprise I got when it turned from one thing
- 9:25Speaker 2: into another. And I realized that it wasn't this absurdist piece.
- 9:29Speaker 2: It was actually a very serious film, which I don't
- 9:32Speaker 2: want to go into too much because I don't want
- 9:33Speaker 2: to spoil it. We already know that it's a play
- 9:35Speaker 2: within a play, which is somewhat of a spoiler. So
- 9:39Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it does find an audience because a
- 9:41Speaker 2: lot of people I'm talking to who go to it say, yeah,
- 9:44Speaker 2: that was quite good. It was easier for me to
- 9:47Speaker 2: make the leap from an apparent film, which was in
- 9:49Speaker 2: fact a play, to the actual film because I knew
- 9:52Speaker 2: it was coming. I knew the twist was coming. I thought, oh, well,
- 9:55Speaker 2: here comes the twist, you know, half an hour in,
- 9:57Speaker 2: it'll happen. And I was so surprised by the quality
- 10:02Speaker 2: of what came after that it was a truly delightful experience.
- 10:05Speaker 2: It was that kind of rare thing in films these
- 10:07Speaker 2: days where you really don't know what's going to happen next.
- 10:10Speaker 1: Ben Affleck has defended Digger.
- 10:12Speaker 3: Because it's a little bit like the high school bullying thing.
- 10:15Speaker 3: You see it happening now, frankly, with Digger. Everybody... wants
- 10:19Speaker 3: to celebrate this bomb as if like it's the most
- 10:21Speaker 3: exciting thing that happened. And you think like, it's a
- 10:24Speaker 3: pretty ambitious, interesting movie made by interesting people that have talent. And,
- 10:28Speaker 3: you know, everybody wants to count the money, what it
- 10:30Speaker 3: may lost or whatever. And to me, I just think like,
- 10:34Speaker 3: If you punish movies that take risks, guess what you're
- 10:37Speaker 3: going to get? A bunch of shitty homogenized movies. Vanilla doubles.
- 10:41Speaker 3: Because you cannot do something interesting.
- 10:44Speaker 1: Maybe it shows that unlike Matt Damon, we won't just
- 10:47Speaker 1: go and see Tom Cruise in anything. We don't have
- 10:49Speaker 1: indulgence for him. You know, we'll go and see Matt
- 10:52Speaker 1: Damon in The Odyssey, which is a hard sell. It's
- 10:54Speaker 1: Greek mythology for IMAX. And we'll give it a chance.
- 10:59Speaker 1: And it was monumentally successful. But Tom, you know, sorry.
- 11:03Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's a tall poppy. It's not just Australians
- 11:06Speaker 2: who have tall poppies, is it? It's America too. And yeah, sure.
- 11:10Speaker 2: I mean, he's 62. He's a man of a certain
- 11:13Speaker 2: age now. He's not a young, hot Hollywood guy anymore.
- 11:16Speaker 2: He's a much older actor and performer. And I suppose
- 11:20Speaker 2: the thing I think about this film is just to
- 11:22Speaker 2: forewarn people, you may go and see this film with
- 11:24Speaker 2: the best will in the world thinking, oh, well, you know,
- 11:26Speaker 2: a few people are saying it's good. You may dislike
- 11:28Speaker 2: it intensely. You know, I liked it, but even knowing
- 11:32Speaker 2: everything you know about it once you get to the end,
- 11:34Speaker 2: which is, yes, it's a play within a play and
- 11:35Speaker 2: this part's serious and this part's meant to, you know,
- 11:38Speaker 2: move you, you might say, yeah, not good enough.
- 11:41Speaker 1: Well, we'll know who to blame.
- 11:42Speaker 2: That's right.
- 11:43Speaker 1: Thanks, Jill.
- 11:44Speaker 2: Thank you.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Jill Rowbotham is Senior Editor at Culture for The Australian.
- 11:53Speaker 1: We've put a link to her article on Digger in
- 11:55Speaker 1: the show notes. You can also read Jill's work anytime
- 11:58Speaker 1: at theaustralian.com.au slash culture. This episode of The Front was
- 12:03Speaker 1: hosted by me, Claire Harvey, and produced by Jasper League.
- 12:07Speaker 1: Our team also includes Kristen Amiet, Leah Tamaglou, Tiffany Dimak,
- 12:11Speaker 1: and Joshua Burton.