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Chris Turner (Oceans Ate Alaska) · The Downbeat

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My guest on the podcast this week is Chris Turner,
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Unbelievable freak boy, man drummer.
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I reckon he's probably at least feet wise, the best metal
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drummer on earth. I do not want you to.
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Comment No. This person's the best metal
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drummer on Earth. I've seen them all.
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His feet are absolutely insane. Often he's called out for being
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not natty or fake. I'm telling you, it's real.
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It's just unbelievable. We do a deep dive into why he's
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so good. Never met before this podcast.
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We had a we had a great chat, lot of fun not burping from him,
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which I hope has made the edit. You can check out his stuff.
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He plays drums for a band called Ocean State Alaska.
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They have a new single out at the end of the month.
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He does his own solo stuff, which is awesome.
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You can search that Chris Turner on Spotify.
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Go to his Instagram. Chris OAA and you can find out
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It's merch, all that stuff. Great dude.
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Happy you came to the podcast. It is Chris Turner on the
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Downbeat podcast. Mr. Chris Turner.
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What's going on, dude? Hello.
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Nice to finally meet you, man. I feel this is it's incredibly
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overdue. Get.
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The vape off there? Initially you didn't.
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Want to do it? Yeah, honestly.
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Why? Cheers by the way.
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Damn dude, we are in. Straight in because you you just
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tell me. It's not that I didn't want to
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do it, it's that there was some things going on and not
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everything aligned and it just wasn't kind of right at the
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time, is the PG answer. We want the real answers.
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OK, give me the real answer. Fair play, fair play.
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Honestly, at the time I was releasing the solo album.
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This is being dead honest now. I was releasing the solo album
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and I'd never put myself out like that and I was very nervous
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about it. I was very anxious.
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Everything before was with Oceans.
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It was like, you know, if something goes wrong, it's all
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the boys together. It's the band account.
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It didn't. It didn't scare me.
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But going solo, it's like, OK, this is my account, this is my
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name. I found it really scary and I
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saw your reaction video to 40 year old and I was like, this
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dude hates me. Oh, what?
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And I was like I. Was really nice.
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I was like and I also hit you up before anyway, saying can I come
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on your podcast because I want to promote my solo stuff and you
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didn't reply to me. I didn't see that.
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There's no fucking way. Well, I was like, he didn't
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reply to me and then he's hitting up.
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He's hitting up this big reaction video.
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I'm like, the dude doesn't like me.
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So then. And I was a nervous wreck at the
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time as well. So when you then said I want you
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on the podcast, I was like, I don't think you do.
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I think your audience want me on the podcast, but I don't think
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you want me on the podcast. I didn't give a fuck about them.
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Did we watch? Did I?
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Did you watch the same video I think I made?
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I thought I was. I did the whole video where I
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was like the whole video came about where that video came out.
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And prior to that video I will fully admit and I say it on the
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video, I thought this guy's editing his drums.
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That video came out. I watched it before my reaction.
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I like pre watched it or maybe it was one before.
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No, it was 4 year old. I watched it, I watched it and I
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went, I think that's fucking real.
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And then I phoned Nollie and I was like Chris Turner.
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What are you saying? And he was like, I think it's
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real. And I was like, I think it's
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real too. Haven't you seen me play live
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before though? Didn't we do UK drum show
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together? And I know I met you at the UK
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drum show. Yeah, I don't think we.
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I think you played like a real person stage.
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I played the mainstage. Yeah, I played the little stage.
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It's still a real person stage. But I played the little stage.
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I didn't. I didn't get to watch you.
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Oh, I think. I think that partially confused
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me because I was like, he's seen me play at the drum show, like
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he saw he saw me do it. He saw no triggers, He saw
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everything the way I played. But in the video, I literally
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say, this is fucking real. All right, I'm going back.
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I'm going back through my DMS right now if I find one from
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you. Now you're going to have unsent
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this in prep. Oh wait, you can't unsent.
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No, that's stupid. 28th of October 2019.
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Go on. Yo dude, how you been?
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Is that me? That is, you admittedly ghosted,
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right? There you go.
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That's not I hit you up saying, can I come on your podcast?
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You didn't even let me ask the question.
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And then I've replied to one of your stories, the floorboard
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drumming. And I said triggers joke,
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obviously. No.
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This is when things started to change, you know.
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All right. I shouldn't I I missed that
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message. There's no way I wouldn't reply
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it. OK, this is all right.
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Let me summarise. I hit you up.
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I thought you didn't want anything to do with me.
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I thought you cool guard me. Yeah.
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Cheers man. And.
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Then I do be cool guarding people, so.
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And and you look at you are cool man, you got the the hair.
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So have you. We had a chat about that before.
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He's going to wear a hat. And I was like absolutely not.
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Hats are for bald people. No offence to bald people, but
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if you got it, rock it. Fair play, Fair play.
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But yeah, no. I thought you called.
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God, mate, I thought you didn't want to know me.
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And then I saw your video and I was like, but he saw me at the
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drum show. Why is he, like, doing this to
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me? And I felt attacked.
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And I didn't like it. And then and then you asked me,
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but I saw a lot of comments saying, we want Chris on the
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show. And I was like, he doesn't want
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to talk to me. His audience want him to talk to
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me. And I was like, I don't think I
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want to put myself in a conversation with someone that
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doesn't actually want to talk to me.
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And that is honest to God, why? Why I didn't commit.
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I thought you didn't want to talk to me.
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But then when I got on the phone to you and he was like, dude, I
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want to talk to you so bad. I want to ask you about this
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that the other I was like, Oh well then I come on the show and
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then I came on the show isn't. It isn't it fucking weird
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because we it's just miscommunication, you know?
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My I've obviously got when I did the reaction videos in the
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pandemic, I've got like a particular style of it.
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But what I wanted to do from that video was because I already
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watched it before the reaction. I watched it and decided like
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this is fucking real. There is too many people out
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there telling they're incredibly good drummers that they're fake,
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and at the same time there's far too many drummers who aren't
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good faking it. So I was like, I'm going to do
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this reaction video, I'm going to dissect it, I'm going to
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teach people how to decipher how this is real and try and do it
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in a funny way. Apparently it came off as a
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fucking wanker. I mean, I mean I don't know if I
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was the only one that read it that way because I put out a
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thing because it's water under the bridge now to me sort of
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thing. But I put out a thing on my
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Instagram saying going on the downbeat podcast, what do you
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want us to talk about? And like I don't know how like
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percentage, I didn't do maths but like at least half of them
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was ask Craig about his reaction to your 4 year old video.
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I was like damn. So maybe I wasn't the only one
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who thought that. Or maybe I was just
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hypersensitive Because it's me. Maybe people didn't get it
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because I I like. I need to rewatch it.
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But I know. For a fact, I feel like I want
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to rewatch it. I know for a.
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Fact like I the the take home was I was mind blowing that it
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was fucking real. Yeah, no, I think slowing shit
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down and I was like, this motherfucker's real.
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I think that's, yeah, it definitely got there.
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It's in a way, it's the strangest, incredibly big
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compliment. Yeah, OK, I understand that.
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I I. I honestly, I couldn't fucking
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believe it. No.
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And I I actually feel bad for saying no now because if we just
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had better communication, I feel like this is some sort of like
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couples. Yeah, but we wouldn't have had
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this that we wouldn't have gold. I honestly think we have better
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communication then it would have never.
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I would have never said no. I should have fucking replied.
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I'm really sorry, I feel really bad.
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I feel way worse. OK, here we go.
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I feel way worse, mate. OK, so if you don't know, if
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you're just a downbeat listener and you just listen to all the
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episodes regardless, thank you. You're my favorite people.
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But Chris Turner, solo artist these days, Also Ocean's at
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Alaska. But, and this is me sincerely
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saying this one of the greatest metal drummers on planet Earth,
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and I would go as far as to say, the metal drummer with the best
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feat on Earth to the point that I didn't fucking believe it.
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As we've just discussed, I dissected it.
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This mother fucker's real. And people.
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People still calling you fake. We'll get we'll nip this in the
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bud. Let's get this, get this out of
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the way. Do you edit your videos?
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No, he doesn't. There's there is not that many
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people anymore that say it. The thing that shocked me, right
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was there was. So for me I did the opposite.
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I was touring for like 10 years and then I joined the Internet.
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I know a lot of people did YouTube videos and then they
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whatever. Then they started touring.
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But I did the reverse of that. And I think that a lot of people
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don't know what I'd done prior to these Internet videos sort of
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thing. Because to me, I was like, I've
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earned my stripes. I've, I've played these songs
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night after night after night, whether I'm sick, whether I'm
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jet lagged, whatever, all around the world.
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So in my head, I'm like, I've got credibility.
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I'm sponsored by DW, I'm sponsored by these companies.
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Like, it's chilling. And then I put a video online
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and I was like all of a sudden had no credibility because I
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wasn't really online before that and that kind of blew my mind,
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so. What do you mean no?
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What happened? Like, no credibility with the
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video. Like when I first put it out,
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there was a lot of people saying there's no way this is real, but
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I was like I. Didn't say anything, but I was
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one of those people that thought it and and it's literally just
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because it's fucking unbelievable, mate.
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No, it's, I mean, it's been a long time for me to get to that
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point, You know what I mean? Where I can do these one takers
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and whatever. But I guess no one saw that
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process. Do you know what I mean Online
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anyway. But but I I thought I'd really
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like my stripes. I thought I'd really prove my
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worth from all this touring. And then I get on the Internet
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and all of a sudden, like, I have to completely reprove my
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worth. And that really shocked me as
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well because I was like, yeah, I'm.
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I'm a real dude. I've done it for real.
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And then and then I'm. I'm nothing on the Internet.
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So it's so backwards now. I'm not because I've kind of.
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I feel like I've made all the steps to say, like, no, look
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like I do this shit. I did the live streams, I do all
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the the stuff where it's like, you can't argue this.
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Yeah, I saw someone trying to do that, like, don't want to talk
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too much on the negative shit, but I did see someone like
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dissecting a Twitch stream where you were like, this is fake and
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I was like my brother in Christ, you don't know if Twitch works
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like that's. Real.
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Yeah. But no, I think I've got
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Internet credibility now. Oh, absolutely.
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Now I've got both, which is nice.
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The the the like The thing is a lot of drummers who are like
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really good but not like alien freak man good.
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They get they they get heat online for being for if they
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edit or if they don't edit and all that stuff and it it's
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because what they're doing isn't that insane.
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So they get a lot of people just who are bitter because they're
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at a similar level to that person.
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But then when you get to that fucking freak player status, not
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only do you get all those people, but you get actual other
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musicians going. This isn't real.
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Whereas they don't care about the the the middle range of
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people, which is insane. The little, if you're curious,
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the little journey that got me to here was it goes back to when
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we did Hikaru, which was Ocean's second record.
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I said to Nick, who's mixes all the stuff.
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I was like, I don't want to use drum samples.
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We we use drum samples on the first record.
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We did that with someone else because we just had no budget.
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We self funded it. We you know the story.
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And it's metal core like everyone does.
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But I really didn't like it. I didn't like how it sounded.
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I didn't like how I was represented as a drummer.
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But then we were, we had the label, we had the label budget.
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So I said to Nick, I was like, I really want to do this one
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without samples. And he was like, like it was a
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big thing for both of us. It was a big thing for him as
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well, because he was. Like in way more work for him.
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Yeah, he's like, I've got a reputation, you know, like this
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record has to sound good. And I was like, yeah, I want it
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to sound good. This is like my everything.
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And it was like the biggest thing.
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We were like, I remember sitting in the room like we were like,
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both like this. What should we do it?
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And it was like this. Even pre pre tracking.
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Yeah dude, it was like this huge hurdle like brick wall for us.
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But and we did the record without samples and as soon as
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we did it we were like there was nothing to worry about.
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This was, this was not an issue sort of thing.
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So that was a big like we did, we did a big step.
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Then I was sitting next to him whilst he was editing it, whilst
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he was snapping, it's a grid And I was like out of interest, like
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I see you moving some like pretty small cuts.
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And every now and then he was saying like, look at this shit,
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Chris, like, how funny is this? And I was saying like, out of
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interest, can you hear that? Like how, how far away is that?
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What can a human hear? And he's, I can't remember what
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he said. I think he said like 8
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milliseconds a human can hear. And a lot of the cuts that he
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was making was one to two milliseconds.
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And you know, we were having a good old laugh about it.
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But then I was kind of sitting there thinking, like, if a human
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can't hear that small like. Discrepancy.
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What difference does it make editing now and then?
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It led me to think like, is it better edited or is it better
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not edited? Like does it have a push pull
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that's kind of better with those few milliseconds here in there?
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So then I started a whole other journey.
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This journey of like recording the same section like multiple
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times and like snapping one to grid, not snapping another to
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grid. Recording one with a click and
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guitars. Recording one with just a click
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and no guitars. So so I know interestingly which
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you prefer out of those two. Well, I did so many experiments,
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it depends on the section. For me.
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Now I noticed that if I have click and guitar, I tend to be
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consistent but consistent to the part.
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So if it's like a breakdown, like a sludgy breakdown or
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something, I'll always be a bit slow, but it will be consistent.
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It will be consistently like 78910 milliseconds after the
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grid line. But it's like I want, It's like
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I want to slow it. You know what's interesting?
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I'm the complete opposite. Oh, are you?
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So if I play with the guitar tracks, I rush every time.
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Again, consistent rush. Like Will Putney said before,
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it's just that I just take this full section and I just go boom
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and he just moves the whole thing back and it's like
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perfectly locked. In but yeah.
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If I go without. Yeah, you just like.
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I now live. I don't have anything except me.
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Definitely live. I just have click.
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I'm so sorry about. That Can I get a fucking zoom?
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Zoom in on that, Please, Simon. Time is first day everyone, by
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the way. Give us a thumbs up.
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Simon doesn't have a camera yet. Subscribe to the Patreon so we
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can afford to give him a camera. Just just his hand.
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Look, he's got a little microphone and everything.
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He's don't break the glass. He's listening to his faves.
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He's got water. The ACS on.
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It's all right. It's all right.
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Continue. I'm sorry I derailed you.
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Chillin. If I do a section where it's
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like a chorus, like maybe like an upbeat chorus, and I have
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clicking guitars, I tend to do everything a bit early I guess.
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Like I want to. I get excited and I can't want
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to push it. So for me now it depends what I
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want. So if I want more feel, I'll
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throw guitars in that section and then if I want to be locked
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in, if it's like a real chuggy section or something that's
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real, like I want it to be metrically just like sounding
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money, I I drop it just to the click.
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And so I kind of jump in and out.
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Now I recently did a a live stream at Romeo and they were
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really surprised. They were like Chris, you sent
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corrupted files. You sent the wrong files because
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there's like a bit of track and click and then the track drops
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out for like 4 minutes and then there's like a bit of track and
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then there's a bit of this and like your files are corrupt.
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I was like guys, that's what I want.
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Trust me, that's that's right. Corrupt.
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Come on, how was that? It was cool, you know, It was
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the one, the one thing I found. That's the least.
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I don't know what to say it. Wasn't great then.
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It was just I just went and played some drums.
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I don't. Know I mean it's not it'll be
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out by this point I think or just about to come out should.
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Be coming out soon. Their schedule's like mad jacked
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up. It's kind of fucking pop off.
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It's like mad jacked up. But the only thing I found hard
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about that was on the live stream that we did, I'd play a
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song and then we'd talk for like, I don't know, 20 minutes
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or however long we'd warm down, warm down.
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And then they're like, right, play another song.
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And I felt that was challenging for me because I'd like.
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I found it. I found it hard to kind of get
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back in the zone. Do you know what I.
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Mean You don't ever do that at a gig or even a clinic.
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I actually just heard some mixes yesterday actually from Dromio.
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I can show you if you want to, but you can tell the first like
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30 seconds of each song is a bit all over the shop and then it.
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Yeah, but you're all. You're all over the shop is like
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normal. People a bit all over the shop?
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No, it is. But also, like, to me, that was
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it. Well, it was a live stream.
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It was a live show. Like, you know that a live show
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is never going to be the standard of a video where you've
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been like, right, I'm going to rehearse this song for a week.
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I'm going to then record it over and over and over again and pick
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the best one ever. So, like, it's not going to be
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to that standard anyway. But I found that hard.
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I found the warming up and down hard.
20:46
And then and then after each song, they'd be like talking to
20:49
me and I'd be like. Yeah.
20:52
So basically, yeah, because you you're like running on the kit.
20:57
Yeah, it's pretty physical that my students ask me this a lot.
21:01
They're like, you know, I'm like tensing up a bit or like I'm
21:04
getting out of breath. So I think my technique's bad.
21:05
And I'm like, I mean, you don't want to be, like, tense into the
21:09
point of you're going to, like, burst a blood vessel.
21:10
But ultimately, like, if you're just working for it, that's
21:13
fine. You know, like, it's physical.
21:15
What you're doing is physical. You're going to raise your heart
21:17
rates. I mean when you do something
21:19
like, I really don't buy into the the dogmatic teaching of
21:24
some people. They're like, oh, you must be so
21:26
relaxed all the time. You must hold the stick like
21:29
this. You must do this.
21:30
You must. It's like everyone has different
21:32
muscle lengths, leg lengths, arm lengths, like lower torso
21:37
length, like when there's like one set where you should sit or
21:41
one set where you should do anything.
21:42
I'm like you are just trying to get money by creating this one
21:45
system and then selling it to everyone like a cookie cutter.
21:49
But one thing that I've noticed is some people, some people like
21:53
that because I've had students where they're like, just tell me
21:56
exactly what to do. And I'm like, OK, what?
21:58
Like I'll tell you concepts and things to practice and ways to
22:01
discover what will work for you. And some people respond well to
22:04
that, but some people respond really bad to that.
22:07
Some people like to be told like, this is exactly the way to
22:11
do it. But of course, like you said,
22:12
there is no the way. There is no one way.
22:15
Yeah, because like for example, you sit pretty high I.
22:18
Sit pretty high. And then someone like Ali
22:20
Richardson from Believing Within sits really low, and that is
22:23
obviously different body types. What works for you both freak
22:28
drummers. But there's some some people out
22:30
there telling you everyone must sit at X height and I'm like.
22:35
Get the, get the ruler out and the.
22:37
Like, admittedly, there's definitely you shouldn't sit on
22:42
the floor like one of those old, like like like a hair metal
22:47
band. I used to have like that and you
22:48
shouldn't be standing up. But just let people have a go
22:52
and see what works. It also just makes it less fun
22:55
when you're like, Oh no, this isn't perfect.
22:57
It's like just it's you're sucking the fun out of it.
23:00
Like at the end of the day. Like if you set a target to
23:04
achieve, like if you want to play this, or if you want to
23:06
achieve this, whatever that may be.
23:09
If you get there, then like dope, you've got a technique
23:12
that works for you. Who's to say that's wrong?
23:14
You know what I mean. If you're doing it well, then
23:17
fucking slow What? Exactly.
23:18
Like if if you brought out traditional grip now, like if it
23:23
didn't exist and someone brought it out now everyone would be
23:25
like, that's absolutely ridiculous.
23:26
And then you'd see someone's touch with jazz and be like, oh,
23:28
actually, actually it's quite good.
23:31
I'd said one main thing in the four year old video that I'll
23:33
just remember. Still thinking about it?
23:34
Yeah, but that you just brought it.
23:36
Out we cheers. Yeah, I know you're empty.
23:38
Simon, can I get 2 coronas please?
23:42
Are you empty? Hopefully I'm not, but I'll just
23:44
fucking smash this. I said one mean thing, and it
23:48
wasn't even mean. It was this man.
23:51
Looks like he's falling off the drum kit at all times.
23:53
Oh yeah dude, that was. I look weird when I play.
23:56
But that is what, and I think I follow it up with like that is
23:58
what this level of precision is doing to his his human, the the,
24:03
the human body that he's decided to use as a vessel.
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I forgot what. The fuck are we talking about
25:58
How? Like me saying you look like
25:59
you're falling off a drum kick, but that's Oh yeah, I look.
26:01
I look awful. It's like I.
26:02
Don't see. You look awful, but you're
26:04
literally on the pedals like you are trying to stop yourself from
26:08
falling over, but the noise that's coming out is like.
26:13
Thank you so much. Thanks, Simon.
26:14
Cheers. Man, yeah.
26:18
I think. I think the thing that normally
26:20
gets people is the face. Actually, no.
26:21
I think it's two things that get people.
26:23
One is the face, the like, the little stare thing that you're
26:28
like, oh shit, a certain person. I don't.
26:32
Know. But first time it's like, I
26:33
don't know what he's talking about.
26:34
You did it. And I went.
26:35
I know exactly what he's talking about.
26:37
Yep, Yep. Concentration phase.
26:39
Yeah, that's all it is. I'm just like gone.
26:41
These people never been to the gym before.
26:43
Like if you're at your CPU is at 99% like you not you got no CPU
26:49
left for face. You can't be looking nice.
26:52
I pull, I gun, I look like I've done two Penguins.
26:54
When I'm playing the drums, I'm like.
26:57
Honestly, that is. That's all about the faces
26:59
people say. Oh, you look a bit tense, like,
27:02
oh, you need to loosen up. But I'm like, I'm not in my
27:04
head. I'm free as a bird, but I'm in
27:05
my head. If I played like you and someone
27:07
told me to loosen up, I would like, you're so good at, just
27:11
not like it just reflects off you, I would be like, I beg your
27:14
fucking pardon? Look at what I'm doing.
27:19
I mean, I, I, I, I see what they're saying.
27:22
They're like, I look weird. So they're going to get kind of
27:24
who? Gives a fuck.
27:24
The sound is unbelievable. And then the other thing is my
27:28
back, my posture, because there's been rumours where there
27:31
was a rumour that went round for a while saying that I had some
27:33
mad back surgery. I saw that I saw a comment.
27:36
That's why I like play the way I.
27:38
Play. That room is big.
27:39
Yeah, no, it's like a proper rumour.
27:41
No, no, no injuries. I've had in, I've had some
27:45
injuries but none on my back. What?
27:47
What injuries? From drumming or from other?
27:49
Shit. No other shit.
27:50
I've never had a drumming injury.
27:52
No, it's if you're playing right, it's not going to happen.
27:55
Yeah, you got. I think you got to be doing
27:57
something pretty substantially like fucky to get a drum injury.
28:03
But I think the worst one I had was a snap my tendon in this
28:06
finger. Climbing.
28:07
Yeah, climbing. He's a climbsman.
28:10
Climber Yeah, that was that set me back.
28:12
Fuck me. What and?
28:14
It was this right? Here left hand.
28:17
It sounded like a like a good dry branch, just snapping and it
28:23
was horrible. Talk me through it.
28:24
Take me back. I was on an undercut like this.
28:27
It was quite a small undercut. I had a high left foot, had to
28:30
move. Out any of this means.
28:31
OK, picture, picture. This is a wall.
28:34
Yep, right. Hands here.
28:35
What? Foot here.
28:37
And then a big OK. Right.
28:39
Yeah, it probably looked. Have you got to, like, spring
28:41
off of your fingers? Yeah, it was pretty small.
28:43
It was like a little ledge this big.
28:45
And as I moved out, it just went like the loudest party.
28:51
It wasn't like a it was more like a branch snapping.
28:54
And I like obviously, because it it snaps.
28:56
So there's no pulley to like pull the finger and I like got
28:59
off the fell down and I like did this but this finger didn't
29:02
move. Oh no, nothing.
29:03
Nothing was. Pulling it and I was like, I
29:08
fucked up big time. How long ago was that?
29:10
About 2 1/2 years ago, I still get a little bit of trouble from
29:15
it. I played a drum show in, OH,
29:20
Spain. I played a drum, yeah.
29:22
I played a drum show in Spain the start of last year and it
29:25
was giving me a lot of trouble that day.
29:26
And in between every song I was like stretching like this and.
29:30
It just locks up. No, it just it just hurts, dude.
29:33
It's just like like you can do this to any finger and it
29:36
doesn't hurt. You do it to that one and it's
29:39
like, what? Was the healing like how did
29:41
they obviously surgery? There was no surgery, so
29:45
usually. My alien exoskeleton simply grew
29:49
it. Back, morph, Back.
29:51
No. I guess if it like snaps and
29:54
curls back, it doesn't reattach because it's miles away.
29:57
And then you have to have surgery.
29:59
They said they couldn't tell if there was like maybe a couple
30:02
little fibres holding it like it was like 90 summit percent cut
30:06
or if it had just sort of hadn't curled back or what.
30:09
But I was like it's close enough that it will go back and
30:13
obviously if you try without, it's better to do it without
30:15
surgery than with of course. And it did come back, obviously.
30:21
So I didn't have surgery. I got away and.
30:22
It was horrible. I was told by the NHS to do ice
30:26
and rest and when I did that it just got worse and worse and
30:28
worse and then I went to a private physio and they said
30:31
don't ice it and don't rest it. Exercise.
30:34
Through that shit. And it got better and better and
30:36
better. The more blood you can get to
30:37
there, the better. Like it's fucking crazy.
30:39
Yeah, I have one finger injury. It's way less like, cool.
30:43
I cool. Mine's cool.
30:44
I mean, when I tell you mine, you'll be like, yeah, mine's
30:48
pretty fucking cool compared to soul or so.
30:51
No, that'd be fucking that. 'D be pretty, that'd be way
30:53
cooler. It's way too loose for that to
30:56
get any kind of injury. I I dropped a Nando's salt
31:02
shaker. Yeah, that's not cool.
31:04
That's really not cool for. Anyone from America doesn't know
31:07
Nando's is the supreme chicken place in the UK.
31:09
Supreme. Yeah, come on, where else you go
31:12
in this chain in the UK for chicken?
31:14
Don't even try. I'm on my story.
31:16
Don't. You can't give me that after you
31:17
gave me shit about a Premier Inn earlier today.
31:19
No, I wasn't. Giving you shit about a Premier
31:21
Inn let's let's get that out of the way and then we get to my
31:23
finger story. Chris.
31:26
Chris was suit like. So I really wanted Chris on the
31:28
podcast to the point and I was like let's just I'll use some
31:31
Patreon money we'll get your flight get your hotel.
31:33
He's like, I don't need a hotel. I can stay at yours.
31:35
Like, I'm not trying to write rinse you or whatever.
31:37
And got to this morning and I was like, I'd be so pissed off
31:41
if I went to do a podcast and some.
31:43
I mean, I'm a fucking diva. Admittedly, I'd be like, not in
31:46
fact, no, I'm actually hamming it up.
31:48
I just wanted if I was doing something like this at what I'd
31:52
like to think this level I'd be like, it'd be nice if they gave
31:57
me a hotel be like, oh, this is nice.
31:58
So I was like, you know what, I'm going to get Chris a hotel.
32:01
So he goes from wanting. To sleep I'm not.
32:04
I'm chilling like I don't care. He goes, no, no, he goes from
32:08
wanting to sleep on this this couch right here to then when I
32:11
say I'll just get you a hotel. And he was like, whoa, whoa,
32:13
whoa, what is it like? I only I'm only doing premier
32:16
Premier Inn and above and I was like, what?
32:18
You don't even see my my couch might be coming with like AIDS
32:21
needles and like you're like I will take AIDS needle couch or
32:27
Premier Inn and nothing in between.
32:29
So I got your nice. One you haven't got it yet?
32:31
Dope dude I. Mean.
32:32
That's what I'm saying. They're good.
32:34
I actually when I talk I carry AUV pen in my suitcase and I
32:39
like to see how much spaf is on my bed before I sleep because I
32:43
don't want to sleep. How much SPAF is normally there?
32:45
You know, I've found in the premier Inns.
32:47
Anyway, you know they have the bed and then they have the
32:49
little sofa by the window, the Cox. 9/9 times out of 10 it's on
32:52
the sofa. Really.
32:53
That's the cock wanking away while two people fuck.
32:57
Like, yeah, I guess I just. I don't sleep on that, that's
32:59
all. That's exactly that.
33:01
Anyway, wait, my finger. Anyway, we've got a nice hotel.
33:03
It's alright, my finger thing. I dropped this Nando's Salt
33:08
shaker. They're not even heavy, although
33:10
it's just a salt shaker. I just dropped it like ADHD like
33:13
and then I picked I was in a bad moon and I picked it up really
33:16
fast and I didn't realise that it smashed and.
33:19
Oh, it cut you. It slit my finger and I was
33:21
like, well, look, because it wouldn't stop bleeding.
33:23
I was like, what the fuck do I do?
33:24
I went to hospital and they stitched it.
33:27
What finger was it? It was this one, yeah.
33:30
And they stitched it, and they stitched it like this.
33:33
Oh, brilliant. And then it's like the work is
33:35
straightening it again. I I It's never been the same
33:39
since it doesn't. Luckily it doesn't affect me
33:41
drumming, but if it's cold outside and I'm trying to do
33:43
something like this, it starts like being fucking.
33:46
Did you? Did you work your antagonist
33:48
like the opposite muscle? That was the main thing.
33:50
I was. I didn't do anything.
33:52
So try working your antagonist so instead of like this way with
33:57
it like so pulling down on things and like pretty much
34:00
every motion is that really isn't it?
34:02
Try working out pushing that way, so like.
34:05
I've seen those little bands and stuff.
34:08
Yeah, they're kind of they're kind of annoying.
34:10
Honestly, if it's like just one finger, you can just use your
34:12
other hand and do that. But like I ended up doing this
34:15
all the time with my bad finger on like different angles and it
34:18
it worked wonders. Do you think?
34:21
Thank you. I just wanted to get help, get
34:23
this, get this question out before it leaves my fucking
34:26
ether. Do you think rock climbing helps
34:31
or hinders your drumming? Or neither?
34:34
Or fitness in general? You go to the gym.
34:35
You look like you go to the gym. Oh, thanks.
34:37
You look like you go to the gym. Thanks man.
34:39
I do. I think it helps, honestly.
34:42
They're both physical. The better shape you're in, you
34:44
know? Everyone knows that exercise
34:46
helps your mental state as well. And like for me, drumming is
34:49
like, honestly, probably I can't put percent on it without doing
34:53
a study. Let's go like 70% brain power.
34:56
Like 70%? Doing a study, I'd have to do a
34:58
study. I love studies dude.
35:00
I'm going to do some stupid studies coming up.
35:02
So I got some YouTube videos which I got planned.
35:04
I'm going to do some studies. What are you studying?
35:06
Well my next one I want to do an accuracy test.
35:08
I want to like put me playing the same song three times and
35:13
get an average for how far away from the grid I am on every hit
35:15
in milliseconds with an easy song, medium song, hard song,
35:18
and I want to get an overall average and see if I play more.
35:22
I don't know, it's a YouTube video idea.
35:23
I've got this. Is cool.
35:24
And then maybe I could get other.
35:26
You could do it. I could get other drummers in
35:27
and like. My accuracy is fucking terrible.
35:29
No, but don't you think that's like would?
35:31
Be great, Yeah. Yeah.
35:33
Do you not get? I get.
35:34
What do they call it? It's called White Coat Syndrome
35:39
in in. Doctor Seuss like you get
35:41
spooked. Yeah, in the minute I see that
35:44
something's recording. Musically, these I'm fucking
35:46
fine. But like, the minute someone
35:48
says OK, we're recording, they don't play like shit, Oh no way,
35:52
every time do you fight? So these are insane.
35:58
Bro, this is burpee beard. That is the most insane burp
36:00
I've ever heard in my. Life I want to drink a Sahi.
36:04
Oh, sorry, they've got it. The Premier Inn.
36:06
I fucking bow. You actually you get a free one
36:10
drink if you get to the bar in time because of my gold status,
36:13
you get a free. You have a gold status there,
36:16
but you live here and it's just there.
36:18
I've got Expedia Gold status. Come on.
36:20
Oh, OK, I was going to say. Why don't you just stay?
36:23
Sometimes you get a free drink, so you have a free drink at the
36:24
bar. That's sick.
36:26
You could have an Asahi and you wouldn't burp.
36:28
I'm sorry. Corona probably think they
36:31
sponsor the pod right now. It just happens to be the beer
36:33
that I bought for the last two podcasts.
36:36
Well, I don't even give a shit about beer, really.
36:39
Well, Corona, what you playing at?
36:41
Yeah, give me someone fucking spawn to me.
36:44
Aside how you hook me up give. Me some money aside, he's
36:46
fucking awesome. Though dude and.
36:49
If you just told me, I'd have got pick some up.
36:50
Don't. Know stress.
36:51
But you didn't tell me what you wanted to eat, either.
36:54
For a man who had the most ideas out of anyone that's ever done
36:58
the podcast, what do you mean Everyone just goes?
37:01
When do I turn up? And you're like you asked.
37:04
Me. I'm planning this.
37:07
You you said to me, you said think of some topics, think of
37:10
some truth, some lies, think of some of this, think of some of
37:12
that. So I said, OK, you said send it
37:14
to me an e-mail. And I didn't do that.
37:15
So I thought I was doing a bad job.
37:17
I was like, I bet every other, every other person's like sent
37:19
the e-mail. No, because you were like, I've
37:20
got some ideas, topics, and I was like, cool, send them.
37:22
Oh, OK, Everyone else is like, OK, I'll just turn up.
37:26
But then this guy was fucking on it.
37:28
It was very easy. And you sent me your notes, and
37:30
they were pretty much all my notes plus some little things
37:32
that I there's no way that I would know what.
37:33
Were the little things that you wouldn't know well?
37:35
We're going to get into them. Do you want me to pull 10?
37:37
No pull can. You just like say on the things
37:40
that didn't align with your already schedule then?
37:42
Would you like to know this is one of them right now?
37:46
You wrote as a note, debunking that bleed was easy.
37:52
Yeah, dude. Yeah.
37:53
Because I just put out this video where I played the the
37:56
world's first double pedal and my boy was like, you have to
37:59
play bleed. And I was like, why?
38:03
And he was like because you just, you get the world's first
38:05
double pedal. You have to play bleed on it.
38:07
That's like the thing. And I was like, I don't get it,
38:10
why it's like 1. It's one pattern.
38:14
It's. Hang on, are you saying bleed is
38:16
easy? Oh, because if I say that on
38:18
your fucking podcast, I'm going to get shit for the rest of my
38:20
life. But you mean it?
38:22
I'm going to. All I'm going to say is there's
38:25
like. I can't fucking blame lead to
38:28
this is you're going to insult me.
38:29
So no. Keep insulting me.
38:31
No, I'm not trying to insult anyone, dude.
38:33
And at the end of the day, I I'm a massive, like, you know,
38:37
supporter of music. Doesn't have to be difficult to
38:39
be good. You know?
38:40
The simple shit can be like the best shit, you know what I mean?
38:43
But no, all I'm saying is, you know I grew up on like a lot of
38:48
us tonight. I stuff I got like in my early
38:50
lessons when I was younger, it was like I'll put this pattern
38:52
in your feet and then let's practice these subdivisions in
38:55
your hands. Then with this sticking and then
38:57
try and solo over this. And I, you know, even like
38:59
through like secondary school and stuff I'd be putting, you
39:02
know, we'd be thinking of random foot austenatos in like
39:05
sometimes different time signatures to what my hands were
39:07
doing and and I'd be getting comfortable at soloing over it.
39:11
I almost got to the point where it was like, I can kind of put a
39:15
pattern in my feet and forget about it, if you know what I
39:17
mean, and then only think about my hands sort of thing.
39:20
So when I see bleed, like I literally see a group of three
39:23
and a single hit. It's 1231, which is an
39:26
incredible like compared to some of these weird little
39:28
subdivisions. Yeah.
39:30
Well, compared to some of the subdivisions, I was like, it's
39:33
not subdivision. Some of the patterns I was
39:34
doing, you know, even growing up as a kid and stuff that is like
39:38
a more simple and then just loop, forget about it 200 and.
39:43
Ten. Oh, come on.
39:44
It's 210 for the kids. It's 105 for the adults.
39:49
Well, are you a half you're 1/2 time counter?
39:51
I'm just not a 300 BPM or I'm 150 BPM.
39:54
I really. Yeah, we we we joke.
39:57
We say it's for the kids. When people are like, Oh yeah, I
39:59
play 500 BPM. I'm.
40:00
Like, I'm gonna raise you. I'm gonna raise you on this,
40:03
though. I'm gonna raise.
40:04
All in. Right.
40:06
Do you write music? Yeah.
40:09
So you're writing 30 fucking second notes, all these fucking
40:13
and then so when you're going, you have to put a 64th note in
40:17
there as well. Well, it would.
40:19
It'd only be a 30 second night, right?
40:20
Yeah, but if you were then playing really fast at.
40:23
One, I don't think you can really hit a 64th.
40:26
No, but if you're doing it like a if you're doing it at 1:05,
40:30
then what would be 1/3? I guess actually, right?
40:32
But still I don't want to do. Tempos between like 100 and 200
40:36
is pretty much covers everything really if.
40:38
You're writing 32nd notes. You've got to do an extra line.
40:41
It takes fucking ages. To me, if something in a song
40:43
sounds like fast, like a grouping, that sounds fast like
40:46
normally that would be a 30 second note.
40:47
And if you like work around from that, you end up pretty much
40:50
always between 100 and 200. I always, when I was when I was
40:53
writing music, I would write at like 200 plus only because I
40:58
didn't want to write the fucking extra extra bar on the 30
41:01
seconds. So it was much easier for me to
41:04
write in groups of 16th note and eight patterns because I learn
41:10
to sight read from 16th notes and 8th notes.
41:12
And the minute I had to start adding that, hence me not
41:14
knowing the fucking 64 note shit.
41:16
The minute I had to start adding in 32nd notes I was like what
41:18
the fuck, I can't count that. I don't really know.
41:20
So it's much easier for me to count 1E and 2E and 3E and then
41:27
whatever the 32nd note version would be.
41:30
Yeah, for me, I guess, like when I see people, like I have people
41:32
say it in lessons, to me they're like, Oh yeah, I've been
41:34
practicing with the click on at 500 and I'm like, dude, put it,
41:37
just put it on at 100. OK, now that's mental 500.
41:41
So you have so your boundary IS300 or above you would say is
41:45
just just half it because we I guess we just have a different
41:49
boundary of what's just like just use a more normal sounding
41:52
number. I mean I think probably even 280
41:56
I would probably 2 like a a 280 blast beat song.
42:01
Like if you were writing that at 1:40 and it was a blast beat,
42:07
the 32nd notes would use so much ink like.
42:11
Ink, do you? Know what I mean if you were
42:12
writing. It so, OK, So what I've learned
42:14
then is in terms of like economy pen Ware.
42:18
Pen Ware, Pen Smith. Yeah, just like keeping ink
42:21
usage and costs. Which I don't use anymore, but
42:24
it when I was a kid, like because I went to music school
42:27
and we would do it on like like on the stave with a pen, sure.
42:32
And I just always did it. Fair play, fair play.
42:34
That would be more. I didn't want to, yeah, so I
42:36
would. I was lazy.
42:37
I'm a lazy person. I'm a fucking lazy person.
42:40
I saw someone. I saw him.
42:42
I I I go on Reddit. I only go on two things on
42:45
Reddit. I go on Metal Core and I go on.
42:47
Oh yeah, our metal coil on our drums.
42:52
No, I'll use a different site for that.
42:55
And then, so like I saw someone the other day, there was a
42:58
thread and it was like it was on metal coil.
43:01
Which bands? No music theory.
43:04
And then there was so many people.
43:07
Like, yeah, it shouldn't. Fucking matter at all.
43:10
But there were so many people like trashing people that knew
43:13
music theory. Just being like, really just
43:17
doesn't broaden your mind. Learning a set of like,
43:21
whatever. And in my head I'm like, I mean,
43:24
it helps, but I mean, you shouldn't be fucking annoyed at
43:27
people. Well, for me, like, music is the
43:29
one place you can be. Damn, this is serious, dude.
43:31
We got to get less serious after this.
43:32
But. I don't think we've been serious
43:34
at all until right now. Shit.
43:35
OK, Yeah. And that's too much.
43:39
Don't get back, Chris. Yeah, like I think that the way
43:43
I view theory, whether it's melodic or rhythmical, I I view
43:46
it as just, you know, a framework which is going to give
43:49
you a a better understanding and a better idea of what you can
43:52
and and can't do, what might work, what might not work.
43:54
But I think people get it wrong when they view it as a set of
43:57
rules instead of a framework for like.
44:01
The same with the sitting high and sitting low.
44:03
Yeah, yeah, if you just say like, OK, theoretically this
44:07
should work with this, but I have a cool idea.
44:09
Let's try this or try that. Like at the end of the day,
44:12
music should be open and it should be free.
44:14
So whether you have an understanding of theory or not,
44:17
you should still hold that value of being free within music, but
44:22
it definitely shouldn't hinder you.
44:25
If anything, it should help as long as you can remain free.
44:27
So I. Always just thought of it as
44:29
like it's a way easier way to communicate what you mean.
44:32
It is. It's a language.
44:33
Like because we talked about fucking 16th notes and 8th notes
44:35
there and we had a conversation in it, but if we didn't know
44:37
that, we'd be like, yeah, but isn't it?
44:42
Yeah, there's a question that I want to ask you, but it's
44:45
already I think we should get someone who's called in to aunt
44:51
to ask it. Simon.
44:54
Day one. Don't fuck it up, called it.
44:56
Give me one of the one of the ones about practicing.
45:00
All right, genuine drumming question for Mr. Turner.
45:03
I've noticed as it pertains to your your your kick technique.
45:07
You're pretty much employing A stomping motion.
45:09
Even when playing faster stuff, 16 triplets and above, you're
45:13
pretty much just beating the absolute fucking piss off in the
45:15
drums. You know, stomping the whole
45:18
legs moving up and down so the power is consistent.
45:21
You know, no matter how fast or how slow you're you're playing,
45:23
the question is how to fuck do you practice for that?
45:26
You know what I mean is, is this an endurance thing?
45:29
Does having absolutely fucking jacked legs help?
45:32
Like how? How is 1 able to achieve that
45:34
level of power at those speeds? Before.
45:38
Before. I don't have Jack legs.
45:40
My legs. Number one is.
45:42
Is is that man's name Colin Farrell?
45:45
What was that guy's name? He didn't tell us.
45:46
That is Josh. Josh Just.
45:48
Josh thanks Josh for a lovely voice.
45:52
Have you got Jack legs? No, my legs suck at the weakest
45:57
part of my body is like waist down.
45:59
How? Weird, because you're fucking.
46:00
And you know what's weird? Correlation.
46:03
I often think about this. I've got fucking jacked quads
46:07
like they're crazy and my feet are so fucking slow.
46:11
Can I see your quads? Not right now, but later on I'll
46:14
get them out for you. I've got I'm really curious now
46:16
I've. Got big fucking quads.
46:17
OK, cool. Biggest biggest part of my body.
46:20
Oh, but makes my Dick look small as well.
46:23
It sucks. See, this is where like balance
46:25
comes into play. But like I am, I'm slow and I
46:28
have huge legs. So it does make me think that
46:31
even though I'm building all this fucking power and speed.
46:34
I think it's on. At the gym it doesn't translate
46:37
to drums for me at all. I mean, I I like to think about
46:40
on the insurance comment and there was like a couple of
46:43
questions within that. Nice pro.
46:45
I was talking about my own legs. You're like bro, my quads.
46:48
Bro, I'm fucking jacked. Go answer Josh's Irish question.
46:55
I nearly, I nearly said to be sure and now I've said it one
47:02
beer. Get some races.
47:04
You can be racist to white people.
47:05
It's fine. Carry on.
47:08
Cut that. Keep that in.
47:10
Keep that in. Simon.
47:13
Never interrupt the podcast again.
47:17
Continue. Oh, fucking forgotten the whole.
47:22
Endurance. Endurance.
47:23
Oh, true. So I like to like take examples
47:25
away from drumming, and I like to compare it to other things.
47:28
I do it with quite a lot of stuff.
47:30
I do it with actually everything with music I do this with.
47:33
Especially with like songwriting.
47:35
I always take it out of a song form.
47:37
We can talk about that afterwards, but.
47:38
No, we're talking about it now, and This is why we've done this.
47:40
Sure. So like sorry when it comes.
47:43
Like short, very short. With you there.
47:45
Yeah, do it now. Yeah, like if I'm writing a
47:51
think about music as it's like you hit one sentence, really
47:54
it's just your ears. But like, it creates all this
47:57
imagery. Like, I find it really
47:58
interesting when when I'm with Oceans and stuff, we'll play a
48:01
song that we're going to do a video for and we'll like say OK,
48:03
let's play the song And everyone at the end say what you
48:06
visualised. And we always say at least two
48:08
or three of us will say the same thing, like specific things and
48:11
colours, you can like picture things.
48:14
And I think that that's like it's remarkable like.
48:17
Fucking little sailboat or. Mate, if that's what the song
48:19
sounds like. Oh yeah, I kind of get it.
48:22
I mean, you said song, yeah. Yeah but like I find it really
48:26
like I find music incredibly powerful considering it's just
48:29
one sense but it is also harder to, I mean even then you was
48:33
like what do you mean like it's kind of harder to take it away
48:35
from just the one sense. So I I really enjoy when I'm
48:39
composing like getting as many other senses hit.
48:43
So if it's like a visual reference or like maybe I'm
48:46
writing a little plot to a film in the head with this song, I'm
48:48
like, oh, it feels like this has happened.
48:50
And and usually if I'm listening to the song and something
48:53
happens in my little story that doesn't make sense, I I end up
48:56
not using that part next because I guess it maybe it doesn't work
48:59
musically. I like to have the whole thing
49:01
flow. I'm such an artist have.
49:05
You ever been obsessed mentally? No, dude, I am going to be all
49:08
kinds of fucking ticks if we did that.
49:11
Yeah, high functioning. For sure.
49:14
Actually, that's one of my next YouTube ideas.
49:16
I forgot to tell you that I'm giving away on my YouTube view
49:18
ideas. I want to go to a place that
49:20
does brain scans and play drums and see if I've got like, shit.
49:26
I mean you you definitely fucking do.
49:29
Let me tell you. How does taking the song out of
49:32
the context in apply to endurance as per the man's?
49:36
Call. Good.
49:36
Good. Thank you.
49:40
It's fine. I'm here.
49:40
I just, I just two beers. I'm I like I like to view things
49:43
in different different ways you know with insurance like it's
49:46
all good and well saying when it comes to drums like should I be
49:49
practicing this or that or the other and you think about in
49:52
just drums and it becomes real like tunnel vision.
49:55
But like think about anything else athletic, you know like the
49:58
people who run the 100 metre Sprint for like that's their
50:01
sport. Do you think they just run 100
50:02
metres as fast as they can every day or do you think they run the
50:05
track how? I don't actually know how the
50:07
they train. I don't know why.
50:08
This is my example, but I'm sure they'll do endurance.
50:10
I'm sure they'll do power, I'm sure.
50:11
I'm thinking in my head I'm thinking a power lifter.
50:14
They don't Max out until the day and everything else is sub
50:19
maximal. And like with so with climbing,
50:21
like, I'm not just doing this, I'm doing like training fingers
50:24
on a finger, yeah, I'm like I'm training endurance one day,
50:30
power another like and it all helps.
50:32
And I think it's just a bit, it's a bit tunnel vision, a bit
50:36
kind of narrow minded to think that like there's one thing that
50:39
you can do. I think you have to do all of
50:40
it. What's What's your practice
50:42
routine right now? In fact there's give me two What
50:46
got you so fucked? Because this was my question.
50:48
And again in your notes and I wanted so Joshy boy to instigate
50:52
this. What did what was your practice
50:55
routine to get this fucking good?
50:57
And then what do you do now? So the the first thing there's
51:00
there's like a couple of things like the question was about
51:02
endurance, but obviously he also touched on like consistency with
51:05
power and. Yeah, just inaccuracy, just.
51:08
Freaky. Well, I work all of them
51:10
individually and combined, you know what I mean?
51:12
Similar to the examples we were given.
51:15
So for like, let's pick on endurance, right?
51:18
Endurance for me actually was something I struggled to to
51:21
practice at home, if I'm honest. Endurance for me, I got from
51:25
touring because it would be like, OK, I'm massively hungover
51:30
or I'm like super sick. I've been vomiting or you know,
51:33
you still have to play. And when you like you could be
51:37
like maybe a bit injured like you.
51:39
I've had shows where like my knees have just kind of shit
51:41
themselves and I'm like, I still got to play an hour tonight.
51:44
And it's like when you do that your body just you just that
51:48
that's I think that's how I got the insurance personally not.
51:51
Not to butt in too much, but I we just did two tours
51:54
back-to-back headline. Tour.
51:56
By the end of it, you're just like I could do this toy.
51:58
So even better. Headline tour, 2 days off and
52:01
then a support tour. Headline tour.
52:03
We were doing 70 minutes. I had COVID then a sinus
52:07
infection. That's it.
52:07
That's it. Yeah.
52:08
And it was fucking horrible. And I got through it, recovered,
52:11
had two days off U.S. tour. It was like I was on fucking
52:14
steroids. It was the easiest.
52:16
It was like, I'm fucking insane. And I'm not trying to tell Pitt
52:19
because like I've said that to people before and they're like,
52:21
OK, great. So next time my knees hurt, next
52:23
time this hurts, I'll carry on. I'm like, no, I'm not trying to
52:25
tell you to fucking go get injured.
52:26
I'm just saying, like, your body does respond when you put it
52:30
under stress sort of thing. So for me, I've struggled to
52:33
train insurance because you can never replicate a live show
52:36
either. Have you noticed you can never
52:38
ever do it like, I'm like, OK, I hit really hard when I play
52:42
live. So on this rehearsal I'm going
52:43
to hit really hard and I think I'm doing it the minute I'm on
52:46
stage I'm like fuck my ears allowed, like everything's like
52:49
mad louder and I'm like OK, yeah, I've seen like David from
52:53
we car, like he's got the sauna suit and he like rehearsals,
52:56
does rehearsals and that, but nothing's going to recreate the
52:59
humidity and the. Adrenaline.
53:00
Where the You could, no matter what, you can't replicate a live
53:04
show, and I find it genuinely hard to train endurance for that
53:07
reason. But touring was, I think, the
53:10
best way for endurance. What?
53:11
About what? About Twitch?
53:12
Because I found the closest thing I.
53:15
Can't once which. I bro the close, I mean it was
53:18
sick. I was there the the closest
53:21
thing I can find to replicating. That's interesting.
53:24
Is the Twitch stream because you have the audience, so you have
53:28
the fear and whatever fear, oh, I don't.
53:30
It gets. Scared.
53:31
Whatever it does. Mentally, yeah.
53:32
Whatever. Like makes you.
53:33
Hit makes you hit fucking hard. And I even notice like there was
53:37
levels for that too. I would have some streams that
53:39
would be on the front page of Twitch and some that would just
53:41
be like normal streams and on the front page ones it was like,
53:43
this is a show. I'm fucking.
53:44
My hands are sweating. I'm fucking like it's there.
53:48
My drum room is hot as fuck. I don't have a fan.
53:52
It was the closest, the closest thing I could get.
53:54
I. Can't really comment because
53:55
I've only ever done one. Why?
53:58
Because I I don't have a drum room.
53:59
I don't have space. And it's such a fucking pain in
54:02
the arse to settle, actually, looking at this like I remember
54:05
the trouble you had. Oh, the audio trouble.
54:08
Yeah, you're wondering why I only did one.
54:11
The key is to get a place, set it up, and then fucking.
54:13
If I had a place to get it where I could just press go like,
54:15
that'd be dope, but I don't have that.
54:18
Stop spending so much money on cars.
54:21
I'm sorry, but don't ever tell me what to spend my money.
54:25
Ohh the fucking burps, bro. Ohh.
54:28
Yeah. They're insane.
54:29
It's almost like you leave your body like there's the drum face
54:32
is one thing, but then the bird face, burp face is up there.
54:36
That's a stress idea, really. It's more passionate than the
54:40
drum face, yeah. You're like if you don't feel
54:43
your birthday, what you? Doing yeah.
54:44
You were on on on the grid mate. I'm.
54:47
Connected with my mind, body and.
54:49
All right. So for endurance, basically
54:51
Chris is there for endurance. Go out, get sick, continue to
54:54
play the drums. Yes.
54:56
How do you get your feet so good though?
54:57
This is one of my questions like so.
54:59
I mean again the fact do I have to do again there's like a load
55:01
of different things there. So if we're on to about accuracy
55:04
next, because that that flows well in my head for this kind of
55:06
stuff, accuracy would be for me. The first thing I noticed was
55:10
when I was doing one of my first recording sessions when I was
55:13
like fucking like 12 or some shit.
55:16
And I remember the the recording engineer was like, you know,
55:18
it's cool, but you know, there's a bit of issue with syncopation.
55:21
I'm like, the fuck you're talking about.
55:23
There's no issue with syncopation.
55:24
No issue here, bruv, Yeah. Anyway, there was an issue with
55:30
syncopation and I couldn't tell because my crash cymbal's so
55:34
loud and washy and my snares so loud and ringy and the whole
55:38
room is so whatever. Like I couldn't tell that these
55:40
two crashes weren't hitting together.
55:42
They were slightly flamming. I couldn't, I couldn't tell.
55:46
So then I'd pretty much moved everything to the pad.
55:48
Which is why you've seen videos of me stamping on the floor and
55:51
playing on a pad. Because now instead of this loud
55:53
washy sound which isn't very concise, if you will like to
55:57
your ears on a pad, it's like it's a a real defined like
56:02
transient. Like this is the hit.
56:04
And all of a sudden and I I do it to my students, I'm like play
56:06
the simplest thing you can think of and they're like everything's
56:11
flamin and they couldn't tell on the kit but they can tell on the
56:14
pad. So for accuracy, I I rehearse
56:16
everything to death on a pad before I even get on the kit.
56:20
No foot pad, just stomp. Personally, yeah.
56:23
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't do that. Because every foot pad I've ever
56:26
used in the history of the world, despite, even like people
56:29
who own companies, come into me saying you won't break mine or
56:32
you won't move mine, I just break them.
56:34
I mean, I I can believe it with you.
56:36
Have you tried the new Tamil One?
56:38
No, it's the only good one that I hated all of them.
56:41
But even with you, I'm like, they're like, it's like a mini
56:45
drum, basically. But even like you know the V
56:47
drum shit, they fall all over the fucking place.
56:50
But I also hate the feel of them anyway because that obviously
56:52
because I don't use any sample replacement or triggers or
56:55
anything I need to. Just wedge that in there.
56:58
That's a nice sound bite there. Obviously I don't fucking cheat.
57:04
You have to tune the drum in a way that's going to get the
57:07
sound you want and to tune the drum.
57:09
I literally tune my kick finger tight.
57:11
I don't. I don't even use.
57:12
People don't fucking reap. People.
57:14
Resume Tuned high gives you the tighter, higher sound, but it's
57:19
not. You want the fucking smack?
57:21
You want the sound of a plastic beater hitting?
57:25
You want it? Fucking a horrible noise.
57:29
You want it like 1 sachet above, completely dead, like the sound
57:33
of it when you hit it when it's not on a drums.
57:34
Absolutely fucking perfect. But like I.
57:37
Ordered a new kit yesterday. Oh, I can't wait to fucking play
57:40
it. What kit?
57:42
Tamestar. Oh, OK, Maple, not DW.
57:45
I'm sorry. I'm a tamer guy.
57:46
You're a DW guy. On DWDWDW is my number 20?
57:50
Dude, I fucking love DW. They're the only other drum
57:53
company in. I mean, I'll tell this story
57:56
because of the matter. Sure.
57:58
Just very, very shortly. I swear we'll answer this voice
58:01
clip eventually. I mean, we're getting there.
58:03
We did, actually, we did. We just did accuracy.
58:05
Bite sized chunks. Just.
58:06
Go out, let people cough in your face, go and play the drums.
58:11
Accuracy playing on a pad. Very good.
58:14
Sure. OK.
58:15
We'll talk about power next. Yeah, we're getting, we're
58:17
getting to power. Josh is getting his money worth
58:20
here. Damn.
58:22
I can't remember what I was fucking talking about.
58:23
Classic podcast. Simon, what?
58:25
We were talking. About what was the story?
58:27
New Drum Kit. Fuck you.
58:29
Simon. Simon.
58:32
Simon. Oh, that's so good.
58:35
Don't, don't stop. I.
58:40
Was. I tried to get DW first.
58:44
That was my first endorsement that I tried to get when I was
58:46
at DW Standard. And they turned me down and they
58:52
deserved to turn me down because it was.
58:53
I wasn't ready, but it was like, I'm ready for endorsements, I'm
58:55
going to go for DW, turn me down.
58:57
I've got a bunch of other endorsements afterwards.
59:00
And then I just had a chip on my shoulder and I said I'm not
59:03
asking DW again. And I asked Tamara, I've Got
59:05
Talent. But Tam was like Tamara and DW
59:07
to me when I was a kid. Were just always like my fucking
59:10
favourites. Play these drums and funnily
59:12
enough, the Tammer Birch Walnuts.
59:17
I've had two separate engineers tell me they sound like DW
59:22
Maple, which is weird because it's not the same fucking wood.
59:25
Interesting. I like them so much.
59:27
I've got another YouTube. I'm giving away all my YouTube
59:29
videos. Well, this is accountability for
59:31
you to make them. Yeah, but I'm fucking doing
59:33
them. If I I'm one of those people,
59:35
man. If I'm like excited about
59:36
Summit, I just do it. Give me your other YouTube video
59:39
this will this will hype it up because.
59:40
This will be I'm gonna save this one because this is though.
59:43
Yeah yeah, I'll tell you later in the podcast or after the
59:47
podcast but this is the next the next one I'm doing.
59:49
So this is the next one I will post on my channel.
59:52
Well, you should talk about that one then.
59:53
It's sick. They can't do this and then not
59:56
tell me what it is. Fuck, man.
59:59
OK, right. Are you?
1:00:00
Looking around for an escape. Yeah, dude.
1:00:02
Like, I think. I think we'll get to it because
1:00:08
I want to say this one, OK. OK, we've done endurance, we've
1:00:13
done accuracy, power. OK, so practising power.
1:00:16
So power is a massively misunderstood topic because
1:00:21
people assume that you have to hit as hard as you can to be
1:00:24
powerful. But that's sort of fundamentally
1:00:28
going to give you issues like that is almost wrong from the
1:00:30
start. For example, let's take a, I
1:00:34
don't know, like a four on the floor groove, right?
1:00:35
Or like a breakdown. That's four on the floor and
1:00:37
you're like hitting the shit out of it.
1:00:40
That's let's say your power is like here for example.
1:00:42
I think you're because I was. I was bored you because I was
1:00:45
tired. Carry on.
1:00:48
And then like the next section has somewhat over 16 notes in
1:00:51
and then they're down here. Like the reason the issue with
1:00:54
this power is it's not consistent.
1:00:55
I never, I don't like to use the term power.
1:00:58
I like to use the the category of consistent power.
1:01:01
It's about having it the same always.
1:01:03
So like if you pull up any of my stems, first thing is between
1:01:06
right and left we we play this game regular every session.
1:01:10
Now, how are you practising that?
1:01:13
I'm you're saying you're right. You're right enough to.
1:01:14
Exactly. No, I'm I'm getting there.
1:01:16
OK, sorry. Just fucking chance.
1:01:18
You just fucking Oh my right and left foot are so fucking good.
1:01:22
Answer the fucking nice question.
1:01:25
Carry on. No.
1:01:25
Like, the first thing you want to work on is between right and
1:01:28
left. And the best way to do it is
1:01:30
with recording, because it's way more visual and you can
1:01:33
literally see a right and a left leg and you want to get it to
1:01:35
the point where you can play the game with your friends, like
1:01:37
what's right, what's left, And you, you don't want to know.
1:01:40
After that. You want to work on consistent
1:01:42
power between slow and fast. So that's the biggest time
1:01:45
people fuck up and that's, I call it my speed power Max.
1:01:48
So I find the most powerful I can play at my maximum tempo for
1:01:54
like, I don't know, a few bars, whatever.
1:01:56
And that is, that's my, like, limiter that I use in my brain.
1:02:01
So let's say there's like a fast part coming up.
1:02:03
Like I give it my absolute fucking all to hit my speed
1:02:06
power Max. Like, it's a hell of a lot more
1:02:08
effort. How are you measuring it?
1:02:10
It's. I feel it's quite like.
1:02:12
Looking at the waveform afterwards as well.
1:02:14
Yeah. So that helps obviously connect
1:02:16
the dots a bit more, but it's through feel at that point.
1:02:20
But yeah, like there's a fast part.
1:02:21
I'll give my absolute all to hit as hard as I can so that it's
1:02:25
I'm hitting my speed power Max. But the thing that a lot of
1:02:27
people don't consider is now when I hit the floor on the
1:02:29
floor or the breakdown or the OR the breakdown.
1:02:35
It's the most insane thing ever. Carry on.
1:02:37
But fuck me, I need a compilation of these.
1:02:39
Please, I could hit up here, you know what I mean?
1:02:42
Like I could be smacking this floor on the floor up here, but
1:02:45
it's about restricting yourself. Then it's about saying, no, I'm
1:02:48
not going to hit with that much power.
1:02:49
I'm going to keep to my speed, power Max.
1:02:51
And then all of a sudden I did it on one of my lesson packs, I
1:02:54
played like half notes up to quarter notes up to quarter
1:02:58
trips up to 88 trips. And I went all the way up to 30
1:03:00
seconds and all the way back down.
1:03:02
And I just pull up the stem there and then and it's
1:03:05
literally like this the whole time like that.
1:03:07
It's it's obviously power is involved.
1:03:10
You have to hit hard if you're playing metal because you, you
1:03:12
have to get that sound unless you're triggering of course.
1:03:15
But if you're doing it with a microphone, you have to hit hard
1:03:17
to get the desired sound. But when you have the desired
1:03:20
sound, it's about keeping it consistent.
1:03:22
So to train that, I I recommend using a 91 a kick in mic where
1:03:26
it's going to be really accurate.
1:03:28
Yep, recording yourself getting right and left even.
1:03:31
It's pretty fucking simple. Slow tempo first or just what
1:03:34
feels comfortable? That you can get both.
1:03:36
Kind of doesn't fucking matter. Just like go record a song and
1:03:39
just check. Get them even.
1:03:41
And when you're even between right and left, then you want to
1:03:43
start getting even between fast and slow, and eventually it
1:03:46
just. If you can't play fast yet.
1:03:51
That wasn't in the question, OK, Playing, playing.
1:03:54
I mean, that's a question. For me, because I can't play
1:03:56
fast. I literally can't do it, bro.
1:03:58
I think it's like mostly brain power.
1:04:01
I think it's mostly understanding how to follow and
1:04:03
how to count and how to which. Means what?
1:04:05
I can't. Do I think it's like I teach a
1:04:09
lot of people and nine times out of 10 they they can't follow
1:04:12
what they're doing and that that's a massive issue?
1:04:16
Like I have hacks around that as well.
1:04:18
Like I follow like the leading leg.
1:04:19
If I'm doing a group of five, whatever, I only follow the
1:04:22
leading leg and I count three hits.
1:04:23
So if I lead the group with my left leg, I'll count 123 so that
1:04:27
no matter how fast it is, my brain isn't going like, how the
1:04:30
fuck do you follow that? I just hear which I can easily
1:04:34
calculate and that helps me stay in check.
1:04:36
But trying to like calculate like say you're playing like I
1:04:39
don't know some 16 trips for ages like.
1:04:42
Not me, but carry on people. Get lost in it.
1:04:45
And then they lose the accuracy and then it just becomes a
1:04:47
shambles. Yeah, got it.
1:04:49
So like I have little hacks and things that help me sort of keep
1:04:52
in check. How did you get?
1:04:54
How did you like that's that's you, I'm guessing.
1:04:58
I've got. Loads of little loads of little
1:05:00
things that I do at every step help it all come together like
1:05:04
I'm like I don't ever play to 1/4 note click.
1:05:06
I often play to 16 note click. I love A16.
1:05:09
Note Click. Because it's like me less, less
1:05:12
room for error, constantly in check and I'm permanently
1:05:15
analysing, like has my kick flammed against the click?
1:05:19
If it has, was it the flam before or after?
1:05:21
If so, adjust and I'm permanently adjusting.
1:05:24
What do you mean by? If so, adjust so you make a note
1:05:26
in your brain that when you play that bit again.
1:05:28
Yeah you mold no for for the next by the time the next click
1:05:31
is come. Around you mold it of the
1:05:32
fucking idiot here. But coincidentally, I'm also a
1:05:35
fucking idiot. So I so I'm.
1:05:38
I'm not playing. Me so when you're saying so like
1:05:41
you play something, once you have a look, you're flamming
1:05:44
there and. No, that that's it.
1:05:45
That's like in the moment that is like if I if.
1:05:48
Just on the next time that happens.
1:05:49
Yeah. So the next click that happens
1:05:51
I'll have hopefully if I was early, hopefully I'll have
1:05:54
slowed down and settled or if I was.
1:05:56
Late enough times the brain function becomes muscle memory
1:06:00
to be like don't like, don't flam that bit there.
1:06:03
There's always going to be push and pull, but it's about
1:06:05
smoothing it as well. Because if if you're if you're
1:06:08
playing like let's say you're playing consistently 5
1:06:10
milliseconds late on a section, right?
1:06:12
It doesn't. Sorry. 5 milliseconds out of
1:06:14
time on a section, it doesn't. It's not good if it's five
1:06:18
milliseconds early one hit and then five late on the next and
1:06:20
then five early on. Yeah, that's poor.
1:06:23
So what you want to aim for is like.
1:06:25
Cutting poor. What a real old school way to
1:06:28
fucking do slap someone down. Carry on.
1:06:30
Though like you want to, you want to smooth it over the best
1:06:33
you can. So if you have noticed that
1:06:34
you're early, you want to slowly get back in and you want to keep
1:06:39
keep it like a wave instead of like aggressive, it's like
1:06:41
learning things like that. Because there's plenty of songs
1:06:44
that I've put out with mistakes in.
1:06:45
There's plenty of that. I'm about to put a video out
1:06:47
with a mistaken. What's the mistake?
1:06:49
We want people to find it. That's such a good idea.
1:06:52
Let's do that. Thank you, but like.
1:06:55
Thank you for fucking destroying 10 minutes of content.
1:06:59
No, but like. You don't see though you you
1:07:03
think, you think differently. None of my shit, snapped a grid.
1:07:06
But it sounds so accurate because if I am early, I slowly
1:07:12
pull it round and I I've worked with it like that.
1:07:14
You know what I mean? I got to stop doing this.
1:07:17
Here's a question. No, this was me actually
1:07:18
interrupting. Here's a question when you
1:07:21
record these because I. When I record.
1:07:24
What? Like let's say let's say I.
1:07:28
Just did the term on a record and they wanted that snap to
1:07:31
grid so I recorded it section by section.
1:07:33
Yeah, most people, if you're watching this, most people want
1:07:35
it snap to grid because most drummers aren't a fucking freak.
1:07:38
That's a client job. I've got another client job
1:07:40
coming up this week. They want it in MIDI like I
1:07:42
don't MIDI. Easy.
1:07:44
That's what they want. That's what I do.
1:07:45
Fucking that's free money mugs. You've got one of the best
1:07:48
drummers in the fucking world. Like, give a MIDI.
1:07:50
Actually he's like, why don't you just fucking pay a mixer
1:07:52
like Jesus? No offence to whoever it is,
1:07:55
however, but I'm, I'm, I'm interrupting before you have.
1:07:58
It he's going to know who he is as well because he's going to
1:08:00
watch this. I want fucking MIDI.
1:08:04
So, like, OK, when you're doing your own, sorry, when you're
1:08:06
doing your own songs, and I guess I want the question, I
1:08:10
guess I'll extend it to Ocean, say.
1:08:11
I'll ask him, But I'm mainly thinking of your own videos, OK?
1:08:14
Do you record the music first and the drums last?
1:08:19
Every time. So I've.
1:08:21
Everything we do. That is how you can get away.
1:08:24
This is the thing that I keep talking about because I I used
1:08:27
to do it the other way I used to do it.
1:08:29
Drums first, music last. You just lose all the.
1:08:34
Because it has to be to the grid.
1:08:35
Because you can When it's when you've got a raw drum file, you
1:08:38
can really hear anything that's off the grid.
1:08:42
However, if you track all the other instruments, the
1:08:44
references, and you then you then track the drums, the only
1:08:48
integra there is. Does that sound good?
1:08:51
Yes, it does. Don't have to edit.
1:08:53
Yeah, yeah, I guess. I was just interested to see
1:08:57
that you do that as well, because that saved my fucking
1:08:59
life loads of times. I always track it last as well
1:09:02
because when we so we I I also, I engineer Oceans.
1:09:07
I'll record the guitars in both. Yeah, really well.
1:09:10
I have my producer tag, my produce tag.
1:09:12
I'm not entirely happy with this.
1:09:13
If you hear that, that's means I've produced the track
1:09:15
normally. Really.
1:09:17
Because I I I mean I when. I when I say I don't mix
1:09:20
anything, I don't do none of that.
1:09:20
But I like. If you're engineer, like if
1:09:22
you're recording the guitar, I do the pre.
1:09:24
Pro And then I engineer guitar and bass, and I've just started
1:09:27
engineering vocals as well. You editing DRS?
1:09:30
Yeah. I could never do that shit.
1:09:32
I used to engineer. It's tedious.
1:09:33
I know. It's just like it's tedious.
1:09:35
I can't do this. Good for you.
1:09:39
What the fuck was the sign? Simon.
1:09:44
I forgot because I forgot yeah. I'm fired.
1:09:47
He's back to zero. He's back to zero.
1:09:49
No. Yeah, one fuck it.
1:09:51
I've got a great question on Sweet Pipe about this.
1:09:56
About this? Exactly right.
1:09:57
Exactly. Forgiven for interrupting.
1:10:00
Yeah, Jesus. Not forgiven for lacking on beer
1:10:02
supplements. He needs one more beer while the
1:10:04
speak pipe. I will press play.
1:10:06
I will get beers. Thank you.
1:10:09
Oh, I feel bad dude. Thank you.
1:10:11
What's up, Chris? What's up, Craig?
1:10:12
Sorry for the really shitty audio, I'll make this quick As a
1:10:17
drummer and aspiring musician, how bad is it if I don't know
1:10:24
how to properly mix and engineer drums?
1:10:28
Or in other words, my question is, do you think that in the
1:10:31
modern age of musicians? And then metal music, I guess.
1:10:37
Is it feasible to make a career as a drummer just by being a
1:10:41
good drummer and not necessarily knowing how to engineer or mix
1:10:46
drums? How crucial is that to success
1:10:51
in this industry according to you?
1:10:54
And if it is crucial, what are the best ways to learn how to do
1:10:57
that? I know there's a lot of
1:10:58
resources online so I could Google it, but if you have any
1:11:01
tips would love to hear about it.
1:11:03
Thank you. Awesome.
1:11:05
Love the podcast. Love you both.
1:11:06
Thank you. I was fucking waiting for one of
1:11:08
those. The last guy was just like,
1:11:09
yeah, what's up? Here's my question.
1:11:10
I was like, are you going to fucking gas me up bro?
1:11:12
What a guy. I thought I was pleasant.
1:11:13
That was very pleasant. You don't give him free
1:11:16
advertising. Get them.
1:11:16
I was. Going to make a tower, but
1:11:18
you're fucking two sips into that one if.
1:11:22
They if they were paying, they could be on the pod this.
1:11:25
Damn, dude. No free fee.
1:11:31
I am too sifting. I'm just like, I'm sorry and
1:11:34
that's weird because you're talking more.
1:11:36
I'm getting that you know, when you talk a lot and you're
1:11:38
drinking beer and your spit goes a bit.
1:11:39
Dry I need, I need like I got I got three lip things in my
1:11:45
pocket at all times. Dude, the weather right now is
1:11:48
chapped dry. Lip Central This pleasant
1:11:51
American man's question, Have you forgotten the fucking
1:11:56
question? No, Simon.
1:11:58
No, I've got, I've fucking got this, he said.
1:12:00
What was like he can't mix or engineer because I saw you shake
1:12:05
your head at mix. How important is it?
1:12:08
If important, how do I do it? Award-winning podcaster.
1:12:12
So I don't know how to fucking. I don't know how to mix drums.
1:12:18
Drums are hard to mix, dude. I use Nick Sampson.
1:12:23
He fucking crushes it. He he takes on every challenge
1:12:26
you give him. I say, hey, I did a recording
1:12:28
for a video shoot today. We only had these mics available
1:12:32
so I only miked up these things and you know the drill strictly
1:12:35
no samples, whether they're supporting or enhancing you.
1:12:37
You know what I need make it work.
1:12:40
And he's like, he just deals with everything I give him.
1:12:42
So respect to Nick, thanks for taking.
1:12:44
Thank you, Nick. Thanks for taking all my shit.
1:12:47
I don't know what the fuck he does.
1:12:49
It's insane. And when he explains it to me,
1:12:52
it's like, it's also simple. I've done lesson packs where I
1:12:55
ask him, how do you mix my kick? How do you mix my snare?
1:12:57
And he talks me through it and I'm like, Oh yeah.
1:13:00
With all due respect though, that is because you are giving
1:13:02
him very, very, very absurdly top 1% stems.
1:13:09
Not always, though. That's what I mean.
1:13:11
Like, granted, something like the drum he was, he loved the
1:13:13
drumyo stems. He loved the drumyo.
1:13:16
Their audio is always fucking. He he was like, I just fucking
1:13:20
did the most lightest processing everything and it was done.
1:13:24
But like, we've worked in some rooms where the room's super dry
1:13:26
and the snare's super dry and I'm like, well, make it not dry.
1:13:30
And he's like Chris, this is normally when you rely on a
1:13:33
sample and I'm like, well, figure it out.
1:13:36
Nice. But he he he does.
1:13:38
So mixing's not important, but what about engineering?
1:13:41
Mixing is just put it well, put it this way, Nick's been mixing
1:13:43
for like 25 years, you know what I mean?
1:13:47
Like, I've been training drums for 25 years, but I haven't been
1:13:50
mixing for 25 years and I'm not going to spend my next my
1:13:53
lifetime again learning that. Do you know what I mean?
1:13:55
So mixing not important. For me, personally, I'm I'm not
1:13:58
interested. In engineering.
1:13:59
So engineering has only recently become important to me because
1:14:04
Nick is in America and I'm over here and before COVID, I just
1:14:08
did everything with him. So he engineered it.
1:14:11
And since COVID hit I started working remotely.
1:14:13
So I started to like ring him up and say tell me how to place a
1:14:17
snare mic, where and why, tell me what mic to use where and
1:14:20
why. Just tell tell me everything.
1:14:23
So he started to kind of coach me just so that we can work
1:14:27
remotely. So engineering has only recently
1:14:30
become important to me. So the the actual basis of the
1:14:34
question was like, how important is it to get a career on?
1:14:36
Its on its way. I mean, I'd say personally for
1:14:40
me it hasn't been really important at all.
1:14:42
It's only really recently that one of those two things has come
1:14:45
into play. So yeah, I would say not
1:14:47
massively important if you want to be a drummer, like focus on
1:14:50
your drumming. I'm going to play not even
1:14:52
devil's advocate, I'm just going to sidestep with it in case he
1:14:55
meant something different with it.
1:14:57
I would say as a working drummer right now, engineering is
1:15:02
absolutely insanely important because as as a as a as wanting
1:15:08
to be a working drummer because you cannot afford to hire a
1:15:13
studio and an engineer at this stage if you're not already at
1:15:17
that stage. So learning how to record your
1:15:20
own drums not only for checking your practice or whatever, but
1:15:23
you can do that on a fucking phone.
1:15:24
But like actually working? True.
1:15:27
Super important. But if you're just thinking
1:15:31
about becoming, like if you want to get in a band and you want to
1:15:35
show someone something like you can get a fucking Yamaha EAD and
1:15:38
just plug that in and you have a relatively decent sounding thing
1:15:41
to make drum videos with. I'd say if you if you had
1:15:44
aspirations of session drummer engineering, super important.
1:15:48
If not, I would say I would put recording yourself with
1:15:53
anything. I think that over that the more
1:15:56
understanding you have because granted the past sort of two
1:15:59
years working more closely with Nick on what I'm doing to help
1:16:02
his results, I've learnt a lot about the instrument and about
1:16:06
how the instrument sounds. So that's been really valuable
1:16:08
for me and I'm, I'm grateful for that knowledge.
1:16:10
So sure the the more you know surrounding what you want to do
1:16:13
the better you'll be at what you want to do something.
1:16:14
So yeah, and maybe I should rephrase my answer to for me
1:16:19
personally then. It didn't play a part until
1:16:21
recently. But sure and.
1:16:22
Now as a working drummer you now I can need it.
1:16:25
Yes, true. But I from the reason I said
1:16:28
mine. Started way back before I was,
1:16:30
like I said, I wasn't doing Internet shit, I was doing
1:16:33
torture. So but now like the way you get
1:16:35
going is the Internet, isn't it? So I suppose, yeah, So for me
1:16:39
personally, it didn't play a part, but maybe for yourself.
1:16:42
A basic level just nodding terms with recording a drum set?
1:16:46
Probably quite yes. Beneficial.
1:16:48
Enough to get get it, Get yourself online then also.
1:16:52
And honestly, I think this last part of his question was.
1:16:55
About how great. Where to learn it?
1:16:57
I mean, he did that. That was just a statement, he he
1:17:03
said Where to learn it, my brother.
1:17:05
There's a website calledyoutube.com and it fucking
1:17:09
rocks. It rocks, bro.
1:17:11
You go, you type anything you want to do, you find the one
1:17:14
with the most views. That person's right.
1:17:15
No, they're not man, like that, right?
1:17:20
If you want to be like, have a go at something, sure, watch
1:17:25
YouTube and you're like, OK, I've got an idea.
1:17:27
But if you want to be like, if you want to hone in on your
1:17:30
craft and like, nail it, you can't just watch you shoot.
1:17:33
Yeah, but just to get started with engineering, how do I place
1:17:35
a a snare Mark? He doesn't have a nick.
1:17:37
He doesn't know Nick. Otherwise you should have asked
1:17:39
Nick this question. How do I place a snare Mike?
1:17:41
Pop it in. Blah blah blah if you'll reply.
1:17:44
Pop it in How to place a snare Mike.
1:17:45
Then before you've even watched the videos, read the comments
1:17:49
and the top comment is the most correct comment.
1:17:52
And then judge it. The problem is like someone will
1:17:54
say, oh, you have to place a snare Mike like this on the kit
1:17:57
that they're miking. And then the minute you've had
1:18:00
are faced with a different kit where there's this item over
1:18:03
here which is super fucking loud and all of a sudden your snare
1:18:05
mic placement is now getting all this bleed for that kit you want
1:18:10
it placed here. So I think like it's yeah, it's
1:18:14
about, I suppose it's about learning.
1:18:17
Because a different video for that.
1:18:19
You can fuck that. Well, wait a minute, how do I
1:18:21
place a snare mic if there's a hi hat too loud and most snare
1:18:23
mic? Oh, new video that.
1:18:26
Do that If if it was someone saying like this is what you
1:18:29
want to achieve and this is how you get it.
1:18:31
Now go apply these concepts to your unique setup.
1:18:34
That would be a good video, but I haven't watched many videos
1:18:37
honestly. But I remember watching a few
1:18:38
back in the day and it was like, this is how you EQ a kick.
1:18:41
It's like there is no way in hell you can actually say.
1:18:44
Without the actual fucking source.
1:18:46
Yeah, so I meant replacing shit. There is.
1:18:48
Kind of. Yeah, maybe there's more of a
1:18:50
consistent mixing you're. Fucked because it depends on.
1:18:53
Mixing is so hard there. Will be videos where people are
1:18:55
like yeah, I add, I add 8DB to 4K and it's like well okay, what
1:19:00
if I recorded 16 DB hotter than you like then actually I'm doing
1:19:05
a scoop at everything else like that.
1:19:09
I would say watch a bit of YouTube.
1:19:12
Yeah, it'll get you going. But don't, yeah, don't try and
1:19:14
mix on YouTube. Pay a professional to mix.
1:19:17
I learned how to mix on Yeah, definitely.
1:19:19
I learned how to mix on the Andy Sneep forums back in the day.
1:19:23
And it did like Exodus, like old thrash producer, Fucking great
1:19:30
tones. And I just, I literally went on
1:19:32
there and I was like, how do I do this?
1:19:33
I've got a bit of a ballpark and I I kind of learnt how to mix.
1:19:36
But then what? My stuff sounded good.
1:19:39
And then I got to the stage and I was like, there's other people
1:19:41
like you said, they've been doing it for 25 years.
1:19:43
Like, I'm just going to I've got my engineering down, make it
1:19:47
sound insane, and then they do Wizards.
1:19:50
Yeah, yeah. Nice.
1:19:53
I also never skimp out on mastering.
1:19:55
It's like the one thing that when people like, oh, I don't
1:19:58
even get it. Like what's the difference?
1:20:00
Or like I'll just have my guy who's what.
1:20:02
So many people don't know. The guy who's mixing, it's going
1:20:04
to just do that, right? I'm like that's the one place
1:20:08
especially if it's like a passion project or something
1:20:11
that you've put a lot into, like you've given up at the last
1:20:14
biggest hurdle. Like there's there should always
1:20:17
be budget for mastering. I sound like I sound like a
1:20:20
master and I'm trying to get work in.
1:20:21
I just I just there. Are some producer people who
1:20:24
don't know what mastering is. It's not mixing because some
1:20:26
people think because the word master that that's the more
1:20:29
important one. They're both massively
1:20:32
important. The mixes you could master a a
1:20:35
fucking you can't Polish a third.
1:20:36
They mastered Saint Anger. Oh, he did a mix.
1:20:40
It needed a fucking mix first. In fact, it's one of the loudest
1:20:44
records of all time, just amplifying how big bad, how bad
1:20:50
the mix was. Fucking crazy.
1:20:52
But like, OK, so you mix it sounds good and then mastering
1:20:55
is not only achieving broadcast volume so it's the same as
1:21:00
everything else, but it's bringing out punch in the in the
1:21:04
highs, in the lows, giving that final shine to the recording.
1:21:08
It's like consistency between everything.
1:21:12
You listen to a mix in your car and you go, dude, you've nailed
1:21:15
it, thank you for this. And then you listen to it on
1:21:17
your studio monitors and you go, vocals are loud, and then you
1:21:20
listen to it on your iPods and you go, vocals are too quiet.
1:21:23
And then you get it mastered and you go.
1:21:26
Here it is. So the mastering for a lot of
1:21:30
people that won't know the master, the mixing will be every
1:21:32
stem of every instrument. And then traditionally mastering
1:21:36
is just a stereo mix of the whole, that's the whole mix and
1:21:40
then they they use that. So it's really, really quite a
1:21:44
skill to just take this Mix 1 stereo file and bring out stuff
1:21:50
with EQ and compression and all that stuff.
1:21:51
There are some people Jens Bogor and springs to mind.
1:21:55
The guy does Opeth. He does stem mastering, so he'll
1:21:59
have hey. I've never fucked.
1:22:00
With that, he'll have Kik, OK, Sorry.
1:22:02
He'll have kit. Yeah, guitars all the.
1:22:05
Buses, won't it? Seems like just giving yourself
1:22:08
too much work. To me.
1:22:10
But he does an amazing job. Fair Yeah.
1:22:13
I use Mike Calligerian. He fucking.
1:22:17
I don't know who anyone is. Rush is dude.
1:22:20
He's so good. I we've got an we've got an
1:22:24
Ocean song actually. When's this episode coming out?
1:22:26
Ish. We've got OK, I'll just say the
1:22:29
date. I don't need to say it about
1:22:30
now. There's an Ocean song coming out
1:22:32
on the 31st of Jan. It will be out.
1:22:34
Cool. So it's out now, motherfuckers.
1:22:37
I am. Well that was mastered by Mike
1:22:41
and like the the difference in the mix to the master, like the
1:22:44
mix was fantastic. The master was unbelievably sick
1:22:49
and like even even Nick messaged him and he said like how the
1:22:52
hell have you, like how how are you making it this sick.
1:22:55
And his reply was submit along the lines of like that'll be the
1:22:58
half a million or however many dollars is spent on analogue
1:23:01
gear and this and that and the other and I'm like you know, you
1:23:04
just can't. That is something that you can't
1:23:08
really put a price on. Like you have to just get this
1:23:10
done right. And it's music's legacy, man.
1:23:14
When you release something that's out forever, like even
1:23:16
after you die, like, imagine skimping out at the last second,
1:23:19
like just. Fucking I will say this though
1:23:21
for the most part. When you see Remastered, when
1:23:26
someone released releases something remastered, 9 times
1:23:30
out of 10, it didn't need remastering and it's just a cash
1:23:32
grab because you go remaster. That sounds good.
1:23:35
Sometimes, however, a remaster is absolutely needed.
1:23:39
Nine times out of 10, when I hear a remastered version I
1:23:41
prefer the original still Cos like it's nostalgic.
1:23:44
It's like album. This is what I loved back in the
1:23:46
day and now it's like type changed and it's lost the energy
1:23:49
or whatever I was fond of. Much more.
1:23:52
Much less common, but better. I like, and it usually means it
1:23:57
meant to happen, is a remix and a remaster poison.
1:24:01
The well? Did it remixed to two records?
1:24:04
Who else? Opeth did.
1:24:07
Yeah, Opeth did a remix and remaster someone else.
1:24:11
It's very rare because it takes a lot more work and the the
1:24:14
original producer still has to have all those stems.
1:24:16
Who's as this? I still have that.
1:24:18
Who's keeping those stems someone?
1:24:21
I have to delete fucking texts to get my texts to come through
1:24:24
on my phone. You know, fuck me, What phone
1:24:26
you got? Actually that's a lie.
1:24:28
I just upgraded to the latest 15 iPhone 15.
1:24:31
But before, like a week ago. Before I got this, I literally
1:24:35
had to like delete the Uber app to accept my texts.
1:24:38
I'd reply to everyone, delete all the text chats, and then re
1:24:41
download the Uber because it was like one or the other.
1:24:44
It was jacked. What was the phone?
1:24:45
Just an old fucking iPhone. It was like a it was like AI
1:24:49
don't know. It was an iPhone.
1:24:51
Though it was, it was like not mad old but.
1:24:53
It was an iPhone. Just tell me it wasn't an
1:24:55
Android. No, it was an iPhone.
1:24:56
Simon's on Android. I'm going to have to check his
1:24:58
fucking hard drive. Simon's a psychopath.
1:25:00
Yeah, I know, right? I don't know how we didn't.
1:25:02
What's shit? Fucking.
1:25:03
He's on thin ice. If he didn't, if he didn't pull
1:25:06
that back earlier on, he'd be on fucking thin ice.
1:25:09
Do you want to go? We're very drummy.
1:25:11
Do you want to go into? I asked you to prepare 2 truths
1:25:14
and a lie for me. Which I have definitely
1:25:17
remembered. If you don't need.
1:25:20
Reference at. All no you can reference.
1:25:22
Cool. You asked me for two truths.
1:25:25
Yeah, 2 truths and a lie. Don't give me fucking 11 truths,
1:25:28
bruv. I don't need how many.
1:25:29
Oh, I thought there was going to be 11.
1:25:31
I was going to be like, you know, there's about 15.
1:25:33
Why? Why are you doing that?
1:25:34
Because I couldn't pick well. You're going to have to.
1:25:37
Have no lies. There's no lies.
1:25:39
Well, I can make up a lie. Oh my God.
1:25:41
OK, the game is ruined. We're going to have to do a
1:25:44
different game. No, this is no insane.
1:25:46
Do you know the concept of the game?
1:25:48
And I even gave you the preface. Right.
1:25:50
This is what I said when I was like, I'm not as prepared as
1:25:53
other people. And he was like, no, you're over
1:25:55
prepared all. Right.
1:25:56
Do this. This is a roller coaster pick.
1:25:58
Three of those things. OK, right.
1:26:00
And change one. No, the no, the most insane one.
1:26:03
Pick two of those things. This is that was what I was
1:26:06
going to do, right? Yeah.
1:26:08
But you need to have the lie on deck.
1:26:09
I'll I'll take, I'll take one of the other ones and I'll like mad
1:26:12
modify it. Well, you can just make up any
1:26:14
old lie. But the whole game, the whole
1:26:16
game is where I think the most insane one is a lie.
1:26:21
And then you go, actually, that's the truth.
1:26:23
And we all have a laugh about it.
1:26:24
And then you tell me the story behind it.
1:26:25
I thought it was a good fucking podcast idea.
1:26:27
I thought their dream festival was a good podcast idea.
1:26:30
I'm trying guys. Right now I feel this big
1:26:33
because. I'm sorry.
1:26:34
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
1:26:36
No. Come on, 2 truths and a lie.
1:26:38
We can play. We can play.
1:26:39
I'll read them all off my. Phone so that I need true that.
1:26:41
All true then. I need 2 truths.
1:26:44
I know, I know. One of them's going to.
1:26:45
Be a lie one night. Don't give.
1:26:46
Me one. I'm playing the game.
1:26:47
Don't. Give me more than three.
1:26:48
I'm playing the game. Don't give me more than three
1:26:50
things. OK, OK.
1:26:53
Let me just let me think. Of three fucking sentences, let.
1:26:56
Me think of a lie real. Quick, don't put the all right
1:26:59
now I'm. Oh no, I got.
1:27:00
I got. Is he putting?
1:27:00
The lie first, is he putting it third?
1:27:02
Go. See.
1:27:03
Game's back on. Yeah, it's back.
1:27:05
OK. On my 22nd birthday, I was
1:27:09
living in California and I got drunk and I didn't want to get
1:27:13
off the sofa. So I decided to put the sofa and
1:27:18
the dining table and actually everything I could could move.
1:27:22
So like, I couldn't really move the oven, but like everything, I
1:27:24
could move in in the pool so I could continue drinking beer on
1:27:27
my sofa, but I wanted to be in the pool.
1:27:31
OK. That's a face that.
1:27:33
It's fucking insane. Yeah, because it's a lie.
1:27:37
All right. Sure.
1:27:39
I played a show in Vegas and I just shit myself.
1:27:42
I was sick and I just shit. Myself all.
1:27:45
Right and Jim's. You mean the next sentence?
1:27:48
Because then I'm. Really asked me to plug plug my
1:27:51
butt hole with tissue paper before the show and I didn't
1:27:54
listen to him and then I I don't know if it would have changed
1:27:57
anything, but that was OK, no? Concept of podcasting.
1:28:04
The the extra tidbits he gave us there we're supposed to go into
1:28:07
in a minute. He's now just giving us the
1:28:09
whole story. Give me a fucking sentence.
1:28:11
OK, I once was. Making this one up.
1:28:15
Was in a police car with Jason Richardson OK?
1:28:19
And I asked him for a selfie and he turned me down.
1:28:22
He like, embarrassingly turned me down.
1:28:24
I was, like, embarrassed. I hope that one's true.
1:28:28
Well, you have to pick Mr. Game it.
1:28:30
Doesn't fucking matter now because I want all three
1:28:33
stories, but the joke is that one, the most insane one, is
1:28:36
true. Well, don't know.
1:28:37
You told me that you want them all to be insane.
1:28:39
Yeah, and they're all pretty insane, right?
1:28:42
Are. All three of those true did you
1:28:43
give me 3 truths? No, I'm playing the game.
1:28:46
I understand the game. Let's just say the Craig.
1:28:49
Let's just say the first one was a lie, because I didn't even
1:28:52
fucking understand it. That was true.
1:28:55
The first one was true. I've got a photo.
1:28:58
Let me find it. Please wait.
1:29:02
If if Simon was on fucking iPhone, you could AirDrop him,
1:29:06
but you can't. You're going to have to AirDrop
1:29:08
me and I'm going to have to WhatsApp it to Simon and he's
1:29:11
going to have to fucking put it over this episode.
1:29:13
It's a really something. Give me the story again, because
1:29:17
it it was insane. I'm hoping I can.
1:29:20
Oh no. I found the photo.
1:29:20
I found the. Photo.
1:29:26
There was that we were. It was our first ever U.S. tour.
1:29:33
I think I went on the tour when I was 21.
1:29:36
No, maybe I was 20. No.
1:29:37
Yeah, fuck me. It was my 22nd birthday.
1:29:39
That was. So I went out on this my yeah,
1:29:42
this is true. Yeah.
1:29:44
I went on my first ever U.S. tour.
1:29:45
I was 21 and then there was like a like a six or an 8 week gap
1:29:50
and then we had another U.S. Tour and our label said to us,
1:29:55
we can. Without dropping a beat.
1:29:59
Our label said to us like. Even his burps are in time.
1:30:02
And it dude, we can fly you back and then fly you back, but for
1:30:07
the same cost we can get you like a dough pass like place and
1:30:11
just stay out here and like, we were like, are we going to stay?
1:30:15
So they got us this place, dude. We had, we had a pool, we had a
1:30:17
hot tub. We had a fucking basketball
1:30:19
court. It was like where?
1:30:21
Was it sorry? It's in Palm Springs.
1:30:23
It's like the fucking celeb area.
1:30:26
It was like the like, the celebs go to Palm St.
1:30:29
I bumped into a celeb. I pranked one.
1:30:30
I pranked a fucking celeb in the supermarket.
1:30:33
I bumped into. Why isn't?
1:30:34
This on the fucking list? Well, it is now.
1:30:36
I bumped into, what's his name? John Barrowman.
1:30:39
I bumped into John Barrowman. He I think he was Doctor Who.
1:30:43
I'll give a shit. Nah, people like him.
1:30:46
Which Doctor Who? I don't fucking Doctor Who?
1:30:49
No, he. Hey, Simon.
1:30:51
John Barrowman. This is exactly why you're here.
1:30:54
John Barrow, man. Well, I went, I saw him in the
1:30:56
shop and I had a basket and he had a trolley.
1:30:59
And I was like, you'll film this.
1:31:00
And I just went up to him and I just started taking shit out his
1:31:02
trolley and putting in my basket for a video that is.
1:31:04
And then we chatted to him afterwards, like he was freaked
1:31:06
out at the time. But then we chatted to him and
1:31:08
he, he found it hilarious. He's like, put it online.
1:31:11
The doctor he was, he was good about it.
1:31:13
He was in Doctor Who. He's not the Doctor.
1:31:17
Who is he? What?
1:31:17
Like a fucking space slug or something.
1:31:19
Space Slug. He was in the show.
1:31:21
Torchwood. He was in Arrow.
1:31:24
Yeah, Torchwood, that's another one.
1:31:25
I think he's a bit cancelled. Oh, is he hit me with a John
1:31:29
Barrow juice. Uh oh, carry on.
1:31:31
I'll find it. TBC.
1:31:34
Yeah, I did. I've met him once, yeah.
1:31:36
You were taking out like, kids toys out of his fucking out of
1:31:40
his fucking trolley. No, like, that's too weird, I'm
1:31:43
sure. I'm sure he didn't have a kit.
1:31:44
To him, dude. Yeah, that's close to that one
1:31:46
in it. Anyway, anyway, there was a
1:31:48
there was a pool and I had my 22nd birthday there and I was
1:31:53
sitting on the sofa drinking beer and like living my life.
1:31:56
And I was like, dude, I want to go in the pool so fucking bad.
1:31:58
And everyone's like, yeah, we want to go in the pool.
1:32:00
And I was like, I want to go off the sofa like I'm so like
1:32:04
comfortable on the sofa. So we we we started by moving
1:32:08
the sofa into the pool and like it's kind of floated, which was
1:32:11
mad. In someone in an Airbnb.
1:32:13
Yeah, I was like a young fucking asshole. 22's bit old for those
1:32:18
high jinks. It was my I was a fucking
1:32:20
wanker. When I was and it was my first
1:32:22
US tour, like everything was super like, mad you.
1:32:24
Paid for that water damage? Oh.
1:32:27
I'm not done. So we put like everything in the
1:32:29
pool though, like, every. I mean, there's the photo that's
1:32:32
me on the sofa like. Oh my God, you rock'n'roll.
1:32:38
There was under. There is the stars.
1:32:40
Under there is a glass. That's the glass dining table.
1:32:42
I did a fucking backflip into the pool and blanded on that and
1:32:45
it didn't smash. It hurt.
1:32:46
That's the back injury, the famous back injury.
1:32:48
I had to have back surgery and it's quite play weird.
1:32:52
That is a horrible thing to do. I hope you learnt.
1:32:55
What we did because the next day we we took everything out the
1:32:58
pool, but then the next day the guy who was running the Airbnb
1:33:02
came round and the pool turned green and he was like, what the
1:33:06
fuck have you done? And we we obviously told him and
1:33:09
he just said, look, you got to pay for this.
1:33:12
You left all the shit in there. No, we took it out, but it made
1:33:14
the water go green for some reason.
1:33:16
Well. I'll put it in a fucking couch
1:33:17
and now do it. I think that was actually it.
1:33:19
I think it was the phone. I'm just doing.
1:33:23
I'm conducting one of my experiments.
1:33:25
Usually, usually I do it on my right foot and my left foot, but
1:33:28
this time it was the sofa and your fucking pool.
1:33:31
Reckless. But anyway, he he was like super
1:33:34
cool with us because he knew that we were a band coming to
1:33:36
stay and he was like, don't break anything, don't get, don't
1:33:40
pipe, don't get too drunk. And we were like, we won't, but
1:33:42
then we did. I mean, that's like worse than
1:33:44
that one band putting ATV out the window.
1:33:46
Like fucking Black Sabbath or whoever.
1:33:48
That was exactly. Now I feel awful.
1:33:51
No, it's actually quite cool. But why didn't?
1:33:53
He was super cool about it, he said.
1:33:54
Just pay for it and we're chilling.
1:33:56
Can you be cool about that? He was like a he was like out.
1:33:58
He was a rad dude, if I doubt. Good for him.
1:34:01
Yeah, but we we'd like. We paid for it and we.
1:34:03
Had sad out he's alive now. Is he old?
1:34:05
No, he was like, you know, like adult age.
1:34:08
Where? Where's that?
1:34:09
Apparently not 22. Nah, no.
1:34:13
Like, I can't really remember. It's.
1:34:14
How old do you know 30 you consider consider yourself an
1:34:17
adult. Yeah, dude.
1:34:20
Yeah, grown-ups 3636. Yeah, adult 37 and two.
1:34:25
When, when would you, when would you say you was like, I'm an
1:34:27
adult? No, dude.
1:34:33
I don't know because on paper, my life has never, ever been.
1:34:37
On paper, I won't be an adult. Yeah, I've never ever done it.
1:34:40
I had. I worked then after school I
1:34:44
went to college, and then after college I worked in a warehouse
1:34:48
at music distributor and then I worked in an off license, which
1:34:51
is a liquor store if you're in America.
1:34:54
And then that was it. I when I start, I started
1:34:58
touring, I started teaching drums and I've never ever had a
1:35:00
boss since then, so I don't ever feel like I'm an actual adult.
1:35:03
Dude, mine's maybe weirder. I I've I've only really had two
1:35:07
jobs. I.
1:35:07
Was hanging out with John Barrowman.
1:35:08
And I worked as a rock climber. I worked as a rock climbing
1:35:12
instructor. Worked as a rock climber to
1:35:14
climbing up rocks. Grab that fucking rock up there,
1:35:17
Chris. No, it was like I was, I was
1:35:19
instructing, I was root set in, I was doing all kinds of like
1:35:22
general centre management stuff and then I was just drumming.
1:35:27
That's good. Yeah, it's, yeah.
1:35:29
Forever, child. That's why I didn't learn not to
1:35:31
put couches in pools, right? Was the next one.
1:35:34
What a. Wanker it was.
1:35:36
I'm not. I'm not proud of it.
1:35:37
Look. But.
1:35:38
It's a good. Story.
1:35:39
It was resolved. It definitely is worthy of this
1:35:42
truth and lie. For this?
1:35:43
Yeah. Fantastic.
1:35:44
Yeah, I'm glad I've got a photo. As well told me you didn't have
1:35:47
a lie. I would have said that one was a
1:35:48
lie. That's so fun.
1:35:50
So that's fun for the game. Yeah, I know.
1:35:52
But if we'd had, if we'd had come into it real good.
1:35:54
But it's it's my no. We can.
1:35:56
We can come into it. If you weren't you.
1:35:57
Haven't heard that? No I't.
1:35:59
I don't like to edit my shit. No no samples.
1:36:03
No samples. No sample podcast.
1:36:05
All of Chris's burps are sampled.
1:36:09
Dude, you should actually do that.
1:36:10
You should take like a really like weird sound and every time
1:36:12
I burp, play that sound instead. Or just play Barney from The
1:36:15
Simpsons Burp. But no.
1:36:17
But to be honest, yours are funnier.
1:36:19
The next one you do, I'll put Barney on it.
1:36:21
I'll do it. Simon will do it.
1:36:22
Simon. John Barrow Barrowman
1:36:25
Cancellation Too Dark for Broadcast.
1:36:27
No, no, he was doing a Louis CK. He just gets his cock out all
1:36:30
the time. This is cock out.
1:36:32
That's a minor cancellation, but it is naughty.
1:36:35
Did he get, did he get his cock out when you were?
1:36:38
It is naughty and stuff, Definitely not.
1:36:41
We were in Albertson's. I took some chili.
1:36:45
His cock took kind of beat. I took some chili.
1:36:47
His pants, dude. Yeah.
1:36:48
All right. What was your next?
1:36:49
What was your next? The next one was me shitting
1:36:51
myself during a show. Wait, so the lie is you and
1:36:55
Jason Ritson? Wait, this is you?
1:36:59
You were telling me the rules like I didn't get it.
1:37:01
Don't you have to guess? Yeah, and I guess wrong.
1:37:03
So that means. So that means one of these left
1:37:06
is still alive. So this you think this one's a
1:37:08
true? What?
1:37:09
I've already guessed that I thought.
1:37:13
I'm so fucking confused. I mean, I've already guessed the
1:37:15
first one was a lie, and you told me it isn't.
1:37:17
So do. You want to read, do you?
1:37:18
Let's Let's re re rack then. So out of the remaining two,
1:37:22
what do you think is the truth? Nice.
1:37:25
It's OK. We're like a fucking black
1:37:27
blackjack. Yeah, I've really some some
1:37:30
teething issues with this game. I also don't know the game
1:37:32
fucking works. So what we got left?
1:37:36
We've got Jason Richardson cop car.
1:37:38
He didn't want to take a selfie with you.
1:37:40
And shitting myself on stage. Shitting yourself on stage now
1:37:43
that I've done so, I would say that is true, OK And I would say
1:37:48
Jason Richardson, one is. And I won the game.
1:37:51
Why? Because what?
1:37:53
How do you even win this game that I because?
1:37:55
You get strong every time and I so I fooled you so I went right?
1:37:58
So which one is a lie? Well, use your.
1:38:01
Process of deduction. We've established I have no
1:38:05
fucking process of deduction. Shitting yourself is a lie.
1:38:08
Yeah, never shitting yourself. No.
1:38:12
Not on stage. I shit myself twice.
1:38:14
Do you know what one once was? Actually once was on stage after
1:38:18
having food poisoning. Literally what you described.
1:38:20
Brutal, I Did one of your band members advise you to stick
1:38:23
tissue in your body? No.
1:38:25
I didn't even realise it had happened.
1:38:26
And then afterwards I was like, oh, there's shit in my pants.
1:38:30
And then the second time, much, much darker.
1:38:32
After I broke my back, I broke my back.
1:38:35
I didn't have surgery or anything, but like, I the day
1:38:39
after I've done it, there must have been some like weird nerve
1:38:42
shit and I was just washing up and I shit myself.
1:38:46
I just at the fucking doing the dishes, which I rarely do
1:38:49
anyway, and I just shit myself. I think that's actually to do
1:38:52
with the kind of anesthesia that they use.
1:38:55
Didn't have any. I had no surgery or anything.
1:38:57
Oh, true, you just said that. Yeah.
1:38:59
Oh damn dude. Just I straight up old school
1:39:02
shit. Old, old school.
1:39:05
I got old school shit in. Can you?
1:39:07
Oh. Fuck no.
1:39:08
I shit myself in school as well I was.
1:39:11
Going to ask can you help me to find old school and like new
1:39:13
like? Well, because I was.
1:39:14
I was trying to think when I shit myself in school, that was
1:39:16
new school. No, when I shit was ever in
1:39:19
school, I was in assembly and I just fucking crap my parents.
1:39:22
I can't even remember why it happened.
1:39:23
Just sat on the fucking floor and you know, like in assembly
1:39:27
that sometimes was like kids. I was fucking super young, shat
1:39:32
myself, shat into all my pants, all the classic.
1:39:36
And then I was the one that was like, I need to fucking divert.
1:39:42
Like I need to divert the attention here.
1:39:44
So I was like, has someone fired?
1:39:46
And I was sat there in the shittiest fucking pants ever.
1:39:50
I had to phone my mum. I had to go home.
1:39:53
I can't. There is a lot of shit in there.
1:39:55
I'm laughing, but I I feel so sad at this conversation because
1:39:59
it's just a sad time. A sad time with a kid shitting
1:40:02
themselves. I've got new and old school shit
1:40:04
stories in one session and it's a bit much to I don't know how
1:40:07
to unpack this. Well, that's fine.
1:40:08
We can, we can move on. So Jason Richardson, one's true,
1:40:12
he called Guide you in the back of the thing.
1:40:15
Are you cool? With each other, yeah.
1:40:17
No, we're we're mates for sure. It was it was my fault.
1:40:22
It was my ignorance. There's actually a very there
1:40:24
you go. You got everything you wanted.
1:40:26
You wanted me to elaborate on the the story and you've got a
1:40:28
good operation. Here, so carry on.
1:40:32
Thank you. Pat on the head.
1:40:36
He's got an he's got an empty beer look of it.
1:40:41
Do you need to drink faster? I'm too busy.
1:40:44
Hey, you're doing more talking about.
1:40:45
Podcasting just as much as you're podcasting I'd.
1:40:47
Tell you're podcasting more. I'm podcasting and bearing more.
1:40:51
Yeah, I'm just, you know, I'm just enjoying the moment.
1:40:53
No, no, it's this is a high pressure environment.
1:40:55
You can. Also, I need to stay slightly
1:40:58
cohesive to keep railing the conversation.
1:41:01
Railing, dude. Because it was derailing and I'm
1:41:04
railing. So just just to confirm, you're
1:41:08
railing. I'm railing the fuck out of.
1:41:10
You right now. I'm glad we cleared that.
1:41:12
And I'm shitting myself while I do it.
1:41:14
Sick dude. What happened?
1:41:17
It's quite bad, actually. We were we were on this tour.
1:41:20
It was a bus share or in Europe or in Poland actually when it
1:41:23
happened and one one of the members of one of the other
1:41:29
bands on the tour, he we're I was so I was fast asleep.
1:41:32
I'm explaining this horribly. I was fast asleep in bed,
1:41:34
upstairs, downstairs. The guys were drinking whatever
1:41:37
and one of the band members he he I guess he mistake he he got
1:41:43
the the actual door instead of the bathroom door he mixed yes
1:41:47
he mixed it up and he he sadly was sucked out of the bus on the
1:41:51
motorway we were doing. We were moving at 70 is.
1:41:54
He OK because I heard that. He's OK.
1:41:56
He's OK. He was.
1:41:58
He wasn't OK. It was really bad.
1:41:59
In fact, the paramedics said the only reason that he didn't
1:42:01
actually die. I don't know if you want to talk
1:42:04
about it too much because it's like his personal information,
1:42:06
but like give. Me it.
1:42:09
It was like the main reason he didn't die is because he was so
1:42:11
drunk. He was all floppy and then it
1:42:12
was there was a lot of snow. And it's sort of like, I guess
1:42:14
the ice like preserved him to a certain extent.
1:42:17
But it was like a really, really tragic, like proper sad
1:42:21
occasion, like really horrible occasion.
1:42:22
And everyone was in such like the the atmosphere was so
1:42:27
horrible because everyone was so worried and like.
1:42:30
Yeah, it's fucking. It was.
1:42:32
It was, really. Yeah, but here's the thing.
1:42:34
I was asleep. I didn't know.
1:42:37
I didn't know any of it. So I get woken up and it's like,
1:42:42
hey, the, the police are here. We all have to go give a
1:42:44
statement for what you saw happen.
1:42:47
So you got to go, go give you a statement.
1:42:49
So I was all of a sudden, like, you know, I'd just woken up.
1:42:53
I threw some clothes on. I got in the back of this police
1:42:55
car and they were doing it in pairs, I guess.
1:42:57
And I was paired with with Jason and I didn't know what the fuck
1:43:01
had happened, but I guess he did.
1:43:03
So he was super sad and like sitting there, man, this sucks.
1:43:07
And I was like, I'm in a police car with Jason Richardson, Yo,
1:43:11
you want a selfie? And he oh, God, that's the
1:43:14
worst, so ever so bad dude. And he he just kind of looked at
1:43:18
me and he went, no, dude. So he didn't call guy you, He
1:43:22
was actually. No, it was, it was, it was, it
1:43:25
was just like a total. Were you, like, pissed when you
1:43:28
went to bed as well? So you woke up, like, still
1:43:30
pissed? I was like completely confused.
1:43:33
Yeah, obviously when I learned what happened I was like, holy
1:43:36
fuck it. It it was, it was definitely a
1:43:40
story. But yeah, I I to to like
1:43:42
summarise it. Yeah, I asked Jason for a selfie
1:43:45
in a in a police car and I was turned away.
1:43:48
But for a good fucking reason. When like what age were you Like
1:43:51
Your own? You're relatively young for
1:43:53
someone who's such a freak of nature.
1:43:55
I'll take that. I feel old.
1:43:57
I mean 30 for being as good as you are.
1:43:59
Thank you. What time, what time, what time
1:44:01
exactly were you born? So I can do your start time now
1:44:04
when you when you start playing the drums and like, why?
1:44:09
I started playing drums when I was 4.
1:44:11
Motherfucker 4I. Didn't expect a reaction to that
1:44:16
4. Yeah, you still do shit.
1:44:18
When you're 4, you can do shit. This is the conversation I'm had
1:44:20
on the podcast all the time. When someone's got a kid and
1:44:22
they're like, oh, they're like 4 and I'm like, what?
1:44:24
Is that like goo goo Gaga times? No, I don't know.
1:44:27
No, you can like. I mean, I did shit.
1:44:30
Well, you fucking play the drums, yeah?
1:44:32
Who got you started on the drums?
1:44:34
Me paps, my dad, My dad played drums.
1:44:37
He never. Was as good as me.
1:44:41
No, he never, like, pushed me into it.
1:44:44
My ad, I literally went to see him play.
1:44:47
He was playing an open air festival and I I was watching
1:44:51
the line check and that was the moment for me.
1:44:53
He like was stamping on the kick and it like, vibrated my whole
1:44:56
last body. You can remember this.
1:44:58
Yes, that's cool. And I was just like, I'm going
1:45:02
to do that. Like my fucking dad made that
1:45:05
sound that shook my whole last body like that is he must feel
1:45:08
like the king right now. It's like, so when you got off
1:45:11
stage, I said. Like you got to show me how to
1:45:12
do that and it never changed. In my head like a baby Maybe
1:45:15
that's why I look baby saying you got to show me how to do.
1:45:18
That, yeah, I didn't say, oh, fucking teach me how to do that.
1:45:21
Yeah, I'm like. What in what language did this
1:45:24
happen like? Because I just don't know what
1:45:26
kids sound like. Funnily enough, I don't know too
1:45:28
many 4 year olds, so I can. That's what I That's what I said
1:45:30
before. I like I.
1:45:32
Thought I might have been on the upper end before, maybe a bit.
1:45:35
Even now because I only taught drums from like 8 onwards so I
1:45:39
know what an 8 year old is like and above.
1:45:41
But then before that, I don't really have that many friends
1:45:43
with kids that I. Might have not been good, but I
1:45:45
got going. I'm more interested in the
1:45:47
conversation. Is it like me do that, or is
1:45:52
there like sentences done? I'm not asking you to fucking
1:45:57
answer. This is a hypothetical just
1:45:59
fucking thrown out there. No, I've never thought about
1:46:00
that. I like it.
1:46:01
It's one of those for me, Wes. Like, obviously, like since that
1:46:05
moment I've had that story repeated back to me by my mum
1:46:08
and by people. So, like, I speak of it like so
1:46:11
factually. But you are right.
1:46:12
When we break it down, I'm like, I wonder how that actually.
1:46:14
Yeah, how it went down. That's fun.
1:46:16
What? Was the word send?
1:46:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he teach you?
1:46:19
Then you're good. Don't worry.
1:46:23
Style it off. He's just, if you're listening
1:46:26
to just the audio, he's just spilt a bit of beer on himself.
1:46:30
How are you liking these new microphones on the shore?
1:46:33
Auto, what was the sign? Oh yeah.
1:46:37
So I asked him if I could play drums because I wanted to do
1:46:39
what he did. And then he taught me for a good
1:46:42
few years, I think until six or seven.
1:46:44
And then he said, you know, like it's getting, I guess it started
1:46:48
to blur like boundaries or whatever, because he'd be like,
1:46:51
you know, I wanted to work on this and I just fucking
1:46:52
wouldn't. And then like the next week or
1:46:55
whatever, he'd be like, have you worked on this for a few days or
1:46:56
whatever? Come around and like worked on
1:46:58
it. And I'm like, yeah, and he's
1:46:59
like, no, you haven't. I'll live here.
1:47:02
And it kind of got a. Bit like they're a loud
1:47:03
instrument. Yeah, so it got a bit like
1:47:06
whatever. And he said I'm gonna get you a
1:47:08
proper teacher, like at that. I guess at that point he knows
1:47:10
I'm serious enough about it because I've been doing it for a
1:47:12
few years. So a guy called AJ taught me at
1:47:15
Birmingham Drum Centre and I took.
1:47:18
I definitely took it a bit more seriously then.
1:47:20
It's not like I didn't respect my dad, it's not like a respect
1:47:22
thing like that. It was just like a position of.
1:47:24
Like a difficult. Environment, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:27
He got the fire started. That's it.
1:47:29
That's it. And then it kind of transitioned
1:47:30
away, I guess. I think that's why I love, I
1:47:33
love music because my parents always listened to music.
1:47:35
Neither of them play an instrument, but like and they
1:47:37
were super supportive of like, I want to play the drums.
1:47:39
They were like, OK, we'll just deal with that noise.
1:47:42
So, like, I'm super thankful I had that.
1:47:45
But I didn't have, like, I didn't think I had.
1:47:49
I think my one was. Yeah.
1:47:51
How old were you? I was whatever age you are in
1:47:55
the last year of primary schools, whatever that 10 or
1:47:57
something, 10. I know it's full form sentences,
1:48:01
I know that much. But I was like.
1:48:04
They came to school. They.
1:48:07
They came to, he's a fan. They come, they came to the
1:48:12
school like from the secondary school, high school, if you're
1:48:15
American, they came to our school.
1:48:17
Whatever. The lower, the lower one from
1:48:19
that is in America. I don't know.
1:48:20
Grade school. I don't know.
1:48:22
I'm making this up. And they were like, we're doing
1:48:24
lessons, probably low on lessons.
1:48:26
Our teacher wasn't good. I got taught wrong.
1:48:29
But I had the benefit of being taught wrong enough that when I
1:48:32
went out, not wrong but like technique was terrible.
1:48:36
Like when I got taught properly later on I was like, oh, remind
1:48:39
me to never, ever teach like that.
1:48:40
When I go to do it shows the guy.
1:48:42
I was probably a shithead kid kid as well, but they came to
1:48:45
our school and we're like, we're doing guitar lessons and drum
1:48:50
lessons at the secondary school. And in my head I was like, drums
1:48:53
is pretty cool, but I'll be able to get girls if I play the
1:48:55
drums. That's what you thought?
1:48:57
Yeah, definitely. How did that go?
1:48:59
That's done all right. Actually, to be very not in any
1:49:02
kind of creepy way, but there's a girl upstairs.
1:49:05
Oh yeah. That that's like it didn't sound
1:49:08
creepy at all until you said that it went from not creepy to
1:49:11
the most. Creepy.
1:49:13
You know what it was like? My initial thought was like, oh,
1:49:16
I'll do that. That'll be a way to be be cool
1:49:18
and get girls. OK, Which I think.
1:49:20
I think actually, I tell that story and I say to get girls,
1:49:23
but I think it was just like, that seems cool, but it's a less
1:49:26
funny story. And then, like, I sort of just
1:49:31
fluffed along with it for a while.
1:49:34
And then I heard like, rock music and I was like, wait, I
1:49:40
can kind of do that already. And that was it.
1:49:42
I. Was like, I mean, yeah, I guess
1:49:45
that was kind of similar for the transition to like rock metal
1:49:47
for me, because I didn't grow up playing rock metal or anything
1:49:50
like that. But when I first heard metal, I
1:49:53
was like, because I was like, I was one of those like kids dude,
1:49:58
where I was like, I could read, read and write drum music by 6.
1:50:01
Yeah, I was going to imagine, mate, you don't have to sell
1:50:03
with me on this. No, it's not.
1:50:06
That's cool. Cool these days, OK?
1:50:09
At the time, probably fucking absolute nerd shit and kick him
1:50:12
about the school. Ginger, ginger as well ginger
1:50:17
bait open. Now look here.
1:50:23
Well, yeah, I guess. I guess when I first heard
1:50:26
metal, I was like, OK, I understand the theory and I
1:50:29
understand exactly what they're doing, but I've never heard it
1:50:31
arranged like this, and that's really cool do.
1:50:33
You remember what it was? Yeah, between the bedroom is
1:50:35
Alaska. I was like.
1:50:37
Whoa, that's late. And it dude, I was like, I heard
1:50:40
it and I was like. Were we listening before that?
1:50:44
Yeah dude, just straight up goo goo Gaga.
1:50:47
Teletubbies theme. Yeah dude, not notated
1:50:50
Teletubbies theme. What were you listening to
1:50:52
before, though, Genuinely? Like, a lot of sting.
1:50:54
Got a sting. And please like some Latin
1:50:57
percussion stuff. Like, yeah, that's what he's.
1:51:01
Good mother. Fuckers.
1:51:03
A lot of that stuff was what I grew up on.
1:51:05
And then? Seven days?
1:51:07
Oh. Baby and.
1:51:09
It was live videos of it. Sorry, I'm interested.
1:51:13
I'm glad we've Ivan now. When I first heard the last
1:51:16
goodbye between The Buried and me, I was like, OK, like these
1:51:19
look like, you know, these are cool groupings.
1:51:21
This is like, it's got a cool flow.
1:51:23
But the minute the screaming started, I was like, I don't OK,
1:51:25
I don't know what's going on now.
1:51:27
Like it's too much. But I kept going back to listen,
1:51:29
so it's like maybe got like a 32nd intro or something.
1:51:31
I kept going back to listen to the intro because I loved that.
1:51:34
And then after a while I'd just kind of leave it on.
1:51:36
I'd always turn it off when the screaming started and then after
1:51:39
a while I'd be like, just leave it on.
1:51:40
And then after a while longer I'd be like, oh, there's some
1:51:42
cool stuff here as well. And then it just it start.
1:51:45
Yeah, it just was. Well, I'm still doing it now, so
1:51:49
it fucking deep dived, I think. I think that's fucking cool.
1:51:52
I think a lot of people are like that.
1:51:54
That's why the some the bands with the choruses that are
1:51:56
singing, but the screaming in the verses, they do so well.
1:51:59
Because it's like, it's Gate Gateway shit, yeah.
1:52:03
Sure, yeah. I mean, I fucking hate you, but
1:52:06
it's it's gateway. I don't hate between you buried
1:52:08
and me, but like when it's like, I don't hate it.
1:52:13
Really. I I hate.
1:52:15
I hated it. There was that era of it just
1:52:18
being really cookie cutter, like the chorus has to be sung, the
1:52:22
verses has to be, yeah. It was a bit carbon copied the.
1:52:24
Chorus was never, ever. Like, well, I can't hate that
1:52:27
too much because I think that's what kicked our career off,
1:52:30
because we got roped into that. That's probably why you hate
1:52:32
oceans. Do you still?
1:52:33
Yeah. All right, we'll get there.
1:52:35
Just drop it now. Your face.
1:52:37
Though, just drop it. Come on, just drop it.
1:52:40
No, I mean, you've said that you don't like oceans, but look, I.
1:52:42
Think I never said I hate it. OK I.
1:52:45
Didn't know did I say that? Then I think I said you didn't
1:52:46
like. Oh, you said That's why you hate
1:52:49
oceans? Oh, cool.
1:52:51
I didn't. I don't control.
1:52:53
My the mask dropped. No, I think if you're judging a
1:52:59
son like older stuff, then I like, I'm totally with you.
1:53:03
Yeah, exactly. Just because I've done.
1:53:04
Because like, when I hear that stuff now I'm like, oh man.
1:53:07
And I've never checked it out past.
1:53:09
That stuff. And I was such a different
1:53:10
person and drummer back then. Like I was trying to show off.
1:53:13
I wanted to show people like, look, I can do loads of shit on
1:53:15
drums and I was forcing shit and I didn't need to put in because
1:53:18
I just wanted to like just show, just wanted to show off.
1:53:21
I don't think it was the drums that put me off.
1:53:22
I definitely think it was the singing.
1:53:23
OK, well, either way, it was like an era back then of like,
1:53:26
you know, I don't think anyone wants to be judged on who they
1:53:29
were when they were like 16, you know what I mean?
1:53:31
But I like when we wrote clocks, which started accurate.
1:53:35
I was 15 when we wrote 16 in the video.
1:53:37
Like, I was just a kid, dude. Really.
1:53:39
I don't know that I'll have to check that out again, but like.
1:53:41
Don't, don't check that out. It's.
1:53:43
And but like, you know, the older stuff I like, some of the
1:53:49
songs did quite well. But you know, when we talk about
1:53:52
live sets, I'm like, I do not want to play these songs.
1:53:55
Like they're just, I don't like them, I don't want to play them.
1:53:59
But we've recently undergone some changes anyway.
1:54:01
I guess it if the song's out by now, sorry if this episode is
1:54:05
out and the song's out, people already know.
1:54:07
But you know, we've undergone some changes.
1:54:10
We've we've parted ways with two or five members and we've moved
1:54:14
forwards with a different vocalist.
1:54:15
We've gone down to a four piece and we've like kind of reformed
1:54:19
that sound and stuff. And you actually know the
1:54:21
vocalist. Who is it?
1:54:24
Silence. Screams Joel.
1:54:25
I love Joel. Yeah, and he's you've never
1:54:28
heard him sing. I've never heard him sing.
1:54:31
If that man can sing, let me tell you about.
1:54:33
That man can sing. The amount of penis work that
1:54:36
man's going to have to be doing. Jesus Christ, that's not cared.
1:54:39
I'm sure he's got misses, but fuck, that's a good looking guy.
1:54:42
If you tell me that guy, you're sing.
1:54:44
He's very attractive. No, dude, he he can fucking
1:54:48
sing. Oh, that's why he was at your
1:54:50
studio the other day. We were on the phone and he was
1:54:53
there. I was like, what's he up to?
1:54:55
So, well, I record his, he's in a hard coban, as I called,
1:54:57
spitting teeth. I record them as well.
1:54:58
I can't remember if he was doing that or oceans.
1:55:00
But yeah, dude, like it's it's not like, I guess like the sort
1:55:06
of, like singing you was describing where it's more like,
1:55:08
you know commercial sing and then mad scream.
1:55:11
His singing is very like it's very emotive.
1:55:14
It's very heartfelt. It's very gritty and grungy.
1:55:17
I like, I like that. I like your loaves, your spirit
1:55:19
boxes. Yeah, I like a singer.
1:55:22
But there was that time of metal core where it was like, this is
1:55:26
the chorus right now. This is the first and I'm like,
1:55:30
I'm fucking out. I know that song.
1:55:32
Yeah, exactly. I was about to fucking name, so
1:55:36
I know SM7V. What a nice fucking growl that
1:55:39
was. That's just the core.
1:55:41
No, that's the verse. Sorry.
1:55:42
No, you fucked that. Carry on.
1:55:44
That's why I'm not the singer. I want to play the song.
1:55:47
You play me a song after this, yeah?
1:55:49
But it'd be so cool if I could play a song earlier.
1:55:51
I could have asked and then we could have.
1:55:54
Yeah, that's a good. Podcast.
1:55:55
We could have another pea break. I could play the song, then we
1:55:56
could resume, because maybe then you'll be like on the podcast,
1:56:02
like I like Oceans. I can do that for you, Simon.
1:56:06
We're going to, we're going to Simon.
1:56:08
We're going to take a break and listen to this song.
1:56:11
Simon, I think you have great all.
1:56:13
Right. We're back.
1:56:13
We listened to it. It was fucking.
1:56:15
It was terrible. I don't know what he's fucking
1:56:16
talking about. No, it was good.
1:56:19
Joel's. Good.
1:56:19
You get no right. I want you to be dead ass
1:56:21
though. Well, The thing is I now.
1:56:24
Because it's different. When you're in the room with me,
1:56:26
are you going to say, like, I really didn't vibe it?
1:56:28
I want you to. If you didn't vibe it, I want
1:56:30
you to say you didn't vibe it. No, I prefer him so much to the
1:56:32
other guy. No, but not only that, there's
1:56:35
loads, There's like loads of you on that like the intro, the
1:56:39
outro, the breakdown. I'm assuming like the patterns
1:56:44
and since watching 4 year old and then your solo stuff, I'm
1:56:48
like, I'm a Chris Turner fan. So now it sounds more like Chris
1:56:51
Turner with with a better singer.
1:56:52
I'm like, yeah, I mean. Interesting.
1:56:54
Name still sucks. No, I'm not.
1:56:58
Like, obviously I don't want to. I'm not saying anything bad
1:57:01
about previous members. It's just like the progression,
1:57:03
isn't it? For for me, it's like at the
1:57:05
time, we loved exactly what we're doing, but it just didn't
1:57:07
work out anymore for anyone. It wasn't good for either party.
1:57:11
So it feels like a good progression for everyone here.
1:57:14
But like for for how I feel right now and my taste right
1:57:17
now, like, I'm so stoked on that.
1:57:18
No song, dude. I'm.
1:57:19
Happy my child as well and also that bit, the bit that I made
1:57:22
you replay the little blast. Section.
1:57:25
It's actually a bit after the blast section.
1:57:27
Was the feat after? Yeah, OK.
1:57:29
Yeah, like, you wonder why people think you're fake.
1:57:32
It's literally insane. It's a group of 10, I think,
1:57:37
yeah, it's just a group of 10. It's.
1:57:38
Just a group of 10 at fucking 50 billion BPM, that's all, with
1:57:42
those samples played as hard as a fucking jackhammer.
1:57:45
I think it's, I think it's one it's 14, I think it's 14, it's
1:57:48
either 13140, I can't remember. So it's to you it's 32nd note
1:57:52
triplets. To me it's. 32nd note it's not
1:57:54
triplets 30. Second Note 30, Second Note 30.
1:57:56
Second note triplets would be faster at 1:00. 40.
1:57:59
I think so. I'm pretty certain it's one,
1:58:01
it's 131 foot, I think it's 140. Yeah, it sounds like 280 in my
1:58:05
head. It's. 280 for the kids.
1:58:08
That's really fun. 280 for the kids.
1:58:10
I mean, that's really fucking no, it's a lot of ink.
1:58:15
Oh, Doug, get a new pen. So many fucking That's so I need
1:58:19
a pen endorsement. But you actually, is this, is
1:58:21
this the moment then when you're officially saying like, you know
1:58:23
that new Ocean song? I like that.
1:58:25
Yeah, I've just just said it. I'm just trying to I'm.
1:58:27
Just trying to confirm if I'm still and you know what I've
1:58:30
done, I'm going back to I'll do reactions on Twitch now.
1:58:34
I don't put them on YouTube. I think it's, I think the I
1:58:37
think reaction culture is parasitic and I tried to do like
1:58:41
a different version of it, which came across as fucking mean,
1:58:45
apparently, but no one was doing the mean reactions.
1:58:49
I was like, yeah, I'll fucking do those.
1:58:51
And then it was like something to do during the pandemic and
1:58:53
now I'm too fucking busy. So it's like, I'll still videos
1:58:57
I want to watch. I'll still put Twitch on, and
1:58:59
I'm going to watch it, so I'm going to watch that one on
1:59:01
Twitch. Also, you're saying you was like
1:59:04
bored and had nothing to do and now you're mad busy.
1:59:07
So stoked that you're busy dude. Thanks man.
1:59:09
Honestly, like it. It makes me really happy to see
1:59:11
you. Thank you.
1:59:13
Making a fucking making a rig of what we do, it's not easy.
1:59:16
I see you doing it as well. We're all out trying, you know.
1:59:20
How many what's what's your what's your hustles right now?
1:59:23
If you had to count your hustles.
1:59:24
OK, there is my online lessons which I sell.
1:59:28
There's my Skype lessons which I don't do too many of, like 1 to
1:59:31
ones. You've got a foot one on these
1:59:33
online lessons. Yeah.
1:59:34
Yeah, I'm going to have to buy that.
1:59:36
I'm going to honestly, genuinely going to have to buy it because
1:59:39
I just, I need fucking help. No, I'll buy it, sport.
1:59:41
All right, cool. I'm.
1:59:43
I'm here for a few hours, like, over dinner.
1:59:44
We'll we'll just talk. Online lessons?
1:59:46
Well, I tried to get it out of you earlier.
1:59:48
I just, I was actually just four years old.
1:59:52
Online lesson hustle. OK, where can where can they get
1:59:54
that? My website.
1:59:56
Was it Chris Turner dramas Chris.
1:59:58
Turner. No, it is Chris Turner.
2:00:00
Drums. You're right, Turner.
2:00:01
Drums. I know you knew and I didn't.
2:00:02
Yeah, got it. I got lesson packs.
2:00:04
I've also got like transcriptions available on
2:00:06
there, available on there and like other lessons.
2:00:10
I've got my Spotify and my royalties.
2:00:12
That does all right. I actually wanted to ask you
2:00:14
about this I. Do.
2:00:17
No, you're not splitting that with anyone.
2:00:18
That's just raw dog, straight to the Chris dog.
2:00:21
Yeah, it's nice. Let.
2:00:22
Me. Fucking.
2:00:23
Yeah, if anyone's watching this and you like what I do,
2:00:25
streaming my shit helps. Thank you so much.
2:00:28
Like 30,000 monthly listeners for just just a guy.
2:00:31
I mean I get like like look at the some of the players like 1.6
2:00:34
mil 1.4. If you and no label, no nothing,
2:00:39
yeah, you you're making money there.
2:00:41
Yeah, so I got my, I got my. For you, I'm happy for you bro.
2:00:44
Thank you, dude. You deserve me.
2:00:45
I need to finish my thing because I'm getting distracted.
2:00:50
We're good. We're good.
2:00:50
Scans going to fucking pull up some stuff.
2:00:53
I'd have like a big, like explosion right now.
2:00:55
Yeah. If anyone's watching this that
2:00:57
does brain scans by the way, I've tried to find someone that
2:01:00
would do this video with me and everyone said no.
2:01:02
I had one person say they'll do brain scans for me, but not when
2:01:05
I'm playing drums and I want to see the brain activity when I'm
2:01:07
playing is. It like electrodes on the head
2:01:09
or is it like you need to put ACT scanner?
2:01:12
Out of your body. I mean, I'm not a fucking.
2:01:13
I don't know shit about it. That's why I need someone to
2:01:15
help me. But I think they just can just
2:01:17
put a rig on my head. But I think the issue with it is
2:01:19
like having a kit in there. But like, if anyone's if
2:01:22
anyone's like does brain shit, you know, hit me up.
2:01:25
Hit up the brain, man about your brain shit.
2:01:28
Skype lessons, lesson packs online, my Spotify, my YouTube,
2:01:33
my merch store, drum shows make me quite a lot, writing drums
2:01:39
and recording drums for other bands.
2:01:42
I know there's going to be more. I think when I normally count
2:01:45
it's between 8:00 and 10:00. I think I said Merch store.
2:01:48
Did you? Oh, you did so much.
2:01:50
Yeah. I've got between like 8 and 10
2:01:51
revenue streams now and I don't none of them, none of them are
2:01:56
necessarily strong, going to fund their own for a living, but
2:01:58
combined, they're definitely strong enough.
2:01:59
Yeah, I had a little like epiphany about my hustles where
2:02:02
I was like, if I can make five, what did I do the maths on?
2:02:06
I think it was like if I can make 5 hustles, make $20 a day
2:02:14
or £20 a day. Yeah, that's it then.
2:02:17
That's 75 grand a year. That's it, yeah.
2:02:20
Like, and I was like, that's my 2024 thing.
2:02:22
I was like I can easily do that. I think the thing that people
2:02:25
don't consider as well as they talk about like what they make
2:02:28
on a day rate at their job but then they work a four day week
2:02:31
or a five day week. But like, you know my Spotify,
2:02:33
my YouTube is every day of forever.
2:02:35
You know what I mean? Like and it things like that do
2:02:38
offset it. But for me it's like the the
2:02:39
random jobs offset it. Like I got a mad job in last
2:02:42
week, dude, unbelievably mad job.
2:02:44
Yeah, like paying so high. TBH though, you fucking deserve
2:02:50
it. Oh, thank you.
2:02:50
Dude, you've been grafted since. You're a fucking fall.
2:02:54
And I bet you you didn't get paid good money until like,
2:02:57
relatively recently. I've only ever just started
2:02:59
getting back and being like, oh wait, I deserve this.
2:03:02
Yeah, dude. I mean, like, I mean, I toured
2:03:05
for over a decade. My first at least three or four
2:03:08
years, I was in debt. Like touring was costing.
2:03:10
And then after that, it wasn't making money.
2:03:12
It was breaking even. I did that with this originally.
2:03:15
I it's mad. I got a nine grand credit card
2:03:18
and I was like, during the pandemic I was like, I'm just
2:03:21
going to fucking give this a go. You honestly, I found
2:03:23
interesting. Have you noticed that people
2:03:25
don't want to know when you at that stage, but then when you're
2:03:29
at a stage where you're like, oh, Chris, how come you've got
2:03:32
three cars or whatever? How come you've got this?
2:03:34
How come you're doing that? Like, then they want, then
2:03:36
they're like, oh, I'm so proud of you for like doing this.
2:03:38
But when it was tough and you needed the support, they were
2:03:41
like, dude, maybe it's time you just like get a job and do this.
2:03:44
Not, not. I really want to stress not
2:03:46
everyone, but there's there's definitely people that like,
2:03:50
really look down on you, yeah, and then, well, you.
2:03:53
Would probably completely fucking stuff in their swimming
2:03:55
pool to be very but that. I fully feel that.
2:03:59
And do you know what though? I feel.
2:04:00
I feel the other way as well. Oh yeah, there's the day ones
2:04:03
as. Well, I I like.
2:04:06
Like sometimes if I if I post something that I'm proud of
2:04:10
successful, wise, I'll have like someone drop off the Patreon and
2:04:15
then they'll leave a thing saying like, oh, he's doing all
2:04:19
right now so he doesn't need my support and I'm like.
2:04:22
Oh, interesting. And I'm.
2:04:24
Like, with all due respect, I really fucking need your
2:04:26
support. That's interesting.
2:04:27
The nice thing came from your support.
2:04:29
Please continue to give me the support.
2:04:30
And I can't remember what it was.
2:04:32
I posted one thing and like I had.
2:04:35
I wouldn't. If it was one person, I wouldn't
2:04:37
say anything, but it was like two people dropped off the
2:04:39
Patreon. It was when you got your new
2:04:41
car. Was it my car?
2:04:42
Yeah, I can doxy mean my car. It's not even that nice.
2:04:46
Maybe, boy, he's got three cars. Yeah, it was two right now.
2:04:49
It was a it was a only two. Right now it's the only time
2:04:51
I've ever bought myself a nice car in my fucking life.
2:04:54
And it's on finance, so I'm fucking paying per month.
2:04:57
But I posted it and there was a bunch of DMS and then there was
2:05:00
a bunch of the two people left the Patreon and I was like, oh,
2:05:03
I'm just never going to post that again.
2:05:04
Fair enough. Would you Would you rather have
2:05:06
a starving and poor? I'm fucking starving.
2:05:12
Yeah, dude, I flew in today. I had like a a hungry flight.
2:05:16
I was promised food on arrival. I had a cereal bar.
2:05:19
Delivery. Your order's on its way, so we
2:05:21
should wrap this up. 8 minutes. Oh, OK, What?
2:05:25
When we got left? That's it.
2:05:27
We done. It we're talking about, nice
2:05:28
things still come. On go on, what do you want?
2:05:33
Like, I don't know. I had loads of things and no, I
2:05:37
don't have anything because of this situation.
2:05:39
They don't. They can take the food, can sit
2:05:40
on the table, doesn't matter. No, I think the only other thing
2:05:44
I have to say is like, there's definitely the day ones as well.
2:05:47
There's the people that have been like, you got to do this no
2:05:50
matter what. And then even like even, you
2:05:53
know, everyone has the moments, even in recent times when you're
2:05:55
like, what am I doing? And then there's still the
2:05:57
people still there saying, dude, come on.
2:05:59
Like, I got, I got a few boys, I got a few family members and
2:06:02
like, oh, I'm so much for that, you know what I mean?
2:06:05
Like that. That shit's like, insane.
2:06:08
I was having AI was having a like one of those crisis at the
2:06:11
beginning of this year. I was just like, am I?
2:06:16
Yeah, I was like, am I fucking doing this or does everyone hate
2:06:20
I have a fool? Like, does everyone actually
2:06:22
fucking hate me? Is like, because right now
2:06:23
everything's going pretty well, but I just can't enjoy it.
2:06:26
So I was just like, is everything about fucking crumble
2:06:29
this year? Is the like last year the
2:06:31
podcast did the best it's ever done.
2:06:32
Is it going to fuck up this year and all this shit?
2:06:34
And I was super, super self doubtful and I was coming back
2:06:36
from being down South and I was driving back.
2:06:39
We stopped at services and we're in a line to get Costa and I
2:06:44
know shitty coffee, but we're in a line to get coffee.
2:06:47
And this guy Mick, his name was, came up to me and was like, oh
2:06:51
man, love the YouTube channel. And I was like, I'll sit.
2:06:53
And he worked for like this PGA Golfers YouTube channel.
2:06:55
He's like, oh, I love your edits and stuff.
2:06:56
And I was like, oh, that made me feel really fucking nice.
2:06:58
Then I got to the counter and the guy behind the counter went,
2:07:01
are you in Straight from the path?
2:07:02
And I was like, yeah. And I was like, it was like the
2:07:06
perfect moment. Know what his name was?
2:07:09
Perfect moment of me. Biggest amount of self doubt
2:07:13
I've had in years. And then one service station,
2:07:15
two people like next to each other and I was like oh that's
2:07:18
fucking that felt fucking great. That's nice.
2:07:20
Come and talk to me, please. Makes me feel nice.
2:07:23
Yeah, dude. Yeah.
2:07:24
I think for me it comes in waves like, because it's like I feel
2:07:28
with the more revenue streams, the more stable things are, the
2:07:31
more consistent things that I feel like income.
2:07:33
But I still have my months where things just dip.
2:07:36
And like sometimes dude, like I had AI had a very bad month last
2:07:39
year and I was like, it reconsider everything.
2:07:43
Mentally or financially? Actually, I just had a month
2:07:46
where I was. It was, it was December's
2:07:48
normally bad. It wasn't too bad for me this
2:07:50
year, but like I had a month last year and I was like, why am
2:07:53
I fucking playing it? But then like this month I got
2:07:55
this job in and I'm like, damn, dude, that's going to pay for
2:07:58
like at least half my year. Like in one job it's since.
2:08:02
Do you know what I mean? What it is, I'll tell you after,
2:08:04
but it's like, but I do like a lot of work with games as well.
2:08:06
Like I write music for games or PC games like where.
2:08:09
The money is. Sometimes.
2:08:11
Because I did a fight. I did a thing for Diablo 4, an
2:08:15
Xbox. My God, did I get paid?
2:08:18
I just. I just.
2:08:19
Fucking amazing. Yeah dude, that's it though.
2:08:21
Like, I think you gotta, you gotta have like thick skin for
2:08:25
it, you know what I mean? Because there will be the bad
2:08:26
months, but then there is the good months.
2:08:27
And they do balance out overall. But like, in the dips, dude,
2:08:30
it's so easy to, like, be in the dip.
2:08:33
Yeah, fuck me. It's still on.
2:08:35
Still on the gaming thing though.
2:08:36
Do you find that like, because the game, the games industry is
2:08:40
bigger than its movie industry and music industry, I think
2:08:42
combined. Like did you find or do you find
2:08:45
doing work for that? Like, makes you.
2:08:51
I want to say, see, I did this thing for Diablo and I was like
2:08:54
and it was like my first actual full influencer thing where they
2:08:58
were just like we're going to pay you to do, go to this shit,
2:09:02
post this shit, whatever. And if I can pay, I've only.
2:09:05
Ever had one of? Them And it was like, and I was
2:09:08
like, Oh my God, there is money. These come.
2:09:12
And it made me actually kind of annoyed at the music intrigue
2:09:15
because I was like, I know you've got money, motherfuckers.
2:09:17
You're just used to us working for so cheap that everything's
2:09:19
so cheap. Yeah, yeah.
2:09:21
Yeah. Agree.
2:09:23
Yeah, I can imagine. What I pay for music is fucking
2:09:26
crazy as well. I mean, I had I had a moment
2:09:28
with one game where I wrote them four track.
2:09:31
Wait, no, I forget. I wrote them like X amount of
2:09:34
tracks and I was really happy with my pay.
2:09:36
But then when I found out how much they paid someone else for
2:09:38
one track and it was like, way more than all of mine combined.
2:09:42
And then I got that feeling of like, oh man.
2:09:44
Wait, was this the games industry as well?
2:09:46
Yeah, that was in the games, mother fuckers.
2:09:47
But it's. Like cheating out they are, I
2:09:49
thought. I thought maybe they just paid
2:09:50
really well. I mean, that's like a hindsight
2:09:52
thing though, because at the time, with what I did and what I
2:09:54
got, I was incredibly happy with it was only when I compared it
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to what someone else got that then I was unhappy with it.
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So in in hindsight, I'm super grateful.
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I'm happy with it, but I guess it just made me reform my price
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for the next one. But like, I've done, I've done
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somewhere. I've been like, dude, this is
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fucking sick. Are you annoyed that you didn't
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get food on arrival? It's only just registered that
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you said that. Massively OK.
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Like, super, super angry. Food is coming.
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It's nearby. They're going to be here in a
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minute. We've got to wrap this up.
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I'm wrapping shirt. This is your.
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Great. Thanks for genuine.
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Thanks for coming. He's made the trip all the way
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here. It's a long time coming.
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I'm sorry you thought I didn't like you, but I literally.
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I now consider you a friend. I hope we've become good friends
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because you're a fucking amazing drummer, amazing attitude to
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working and just a fucking happy guy.
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Same to you, dude. I'm sorry we got off on the
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wrong foot. That's.
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Unbeknownst to me. No, yeah.
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I mean, it was just miscommunication.
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I'm sorry about that. It was me.
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So don't be sorry. You're the best.
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Come on again, though, Legend. Yeah, come back that.
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Was a terrible fist bump. It's because you know what it
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is. This cuts people sometimes.
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Oh, my, my Zildjian ring cuts. Get me baby.
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Simon. You've done a wonderful job.
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Leave this in because it's your first day at school.
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Goo goo Gaga. Goo goo Gaga goo Gaga.
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From Simon there. Lovely, Right?
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We're done.