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Adam Ottavino joins FT: WBC hurt Skenes? Aaron Judge out for WC, Best pitching staffs entering October · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Adam Ottavino joining us.
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  Speaker 2: You can see him all over the place, including NBC games.
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  Speaker 2: He's been great. Otto, good to see you. What's the face?
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  Speaker 2: Nice shirt. Yeah, he's all biz. Nice shirt, nerd. Looks good.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm in between games right here, so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to do our taxes or something.
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  Speaker 5: Sweet.
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  Speaker 4: I might look that way, but you don't want me
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  Speaker 4: doing that. I'll mess that up real bad.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into some analytics talk later, but
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  Speaker 1: can we first start with Your thoughts on Aaron Judge
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  Speaker 1: seeming like he's just about officially missing in action for
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  Speaker 1: the wildcard round, rightfully so. It seems like a calf
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  Speaker 1: strain that's going to sideline him maybe for that and more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the overall thought is it just sucks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they waited all year to get
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  Speaker 3: him back. You know, you have visions as a Yankee
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  Speaker 3: fan of, you know, getting the offense together to go
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  Speaker 3: along with this pitching, and then you think the sky's
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  Speaker 3: the limit.
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  Speaker 4: But This injury is tough. You know, calves are not
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  Speaker 4: to be messed with.
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  Speaker 3: Every guy I've ever played with that had a calf thing,
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  Speaker 3: it was a lengthy absence. And, you know, you got
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  Speaker 3: to be careful in this area for sure. I know
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  Speaker 3: he got this PPP injection today, which I never heard of.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was only PRP, but apparently this is another,
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  Speaker 3: you know, attempt to get him healthy. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: talking roles moving forward, I think best case scenario is DH,
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  Speaker 3: but more than likely maybe a Kirk Gibson pinch hit
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  Speaker 3: situation or nothing at all.
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  Speaker 5: Is he... Has this team, nobody can, we've already talked
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  Speaker 5: about it. You can't replace Aaron Judge. That's just, it
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  Speaker 5: is what it is. Have they learned to hit together
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  Speaker 5: without him this year from the games that you've seen?
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  Speaker 5: Because like you said, they didn't have him for majority
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  Speaker 5: of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I think a little bit, you know, that pass the
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  Speaker 3: baton mentality. You know, they do do a good job
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  Speaker 3: of controlling the strike zone and trusting the next guy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to get the big hit. So they'll take
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  Speaker 3: their walks and that sort of thing just for a
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  Speaker 3: long stretch of time. Without him, they really weren't swinging it.
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  Speaker 3: Ben Rice went through a period where he was struggling,
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  Speaker 3: but now he's back swinging it well. Actually, over the
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  Speaker 3: last week, quite a few guys are swinging the bat well.
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  Speaker 3: Elliot Ramos is one of those guys. Lombard's kind of
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  Speaker 3: popped back into things. So I think they have enough
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  Speaker 3: guys to get some rallies, to sustain rallies, and that's
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  Speaker 3: really all they need with their pitching staff is to
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  Speaker 3: have one or two rallies a game. But again, they're
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  Speaker 3: going to have to trust each other, and it's going
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  Speaker 3: to come against the best pitchers in the world at
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  Speaker 3: crunch time.
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  Speaker 6: Well, is that going to be the thing, though, Otto?
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  Speaker 6: Is that going to be the thing where can they
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  Speaker 6: get enough hits? Because they always hit homers. And that's
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  Speaker 6: kind of been the thing that's hurt the Yankees in
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  Speaker 6: the postseason. And honestly, like in extra inning games during
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  Speaker 6: the last few regular seasons, too, is they can't string
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  Speaker 6: together a hit or two. If they don't hit a
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  Speaker 6: home run, they don't win. And losing Judge and also
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  Speaker 6: we always forget about Stanton. Stanton has been a monster
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  Speaker 6: in the postseason the last few years for him. Will
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  Speaker 6: they be able to hit enough, not just home runs,
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  Speaker 6: against the Red Sox, who actually pitch really well, to
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  Speaker 6: win that series and then move deep into the postseason?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head there, AJ.
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  Speaker 3: They've struggled in close games and against good teams. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is not a new thing. Waiting around for home runs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it can work in aggregate, but obviously in
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  Speaker 3: the nitty-gritty of these close, tough games with the best pitchers,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to need to find some clutch hits, some
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  Speaker 3: big-time hits. So I think a lot of their roster decisions–
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  Speaker 3: with the offense kind of hinge around this idea. You know,
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  Speaker 3: McMahon's kind of found himself out of the lineup. Grisham's
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  Speaker 3: not in there right now. Those are two guys that
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  Speaker 3: are walk or home run or strikeout. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: think Jones has been surprisingly a little bit better in
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  Speaker 3: the contact department than we thought. So I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the idea. Like maybe it's a Caballero, it's a Volpe,
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  Speaker 3: it's a Jazz. I'm not sure exactly how it's going
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  Speaker 3: to shake out, but they're going to need some guys
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  Speaker 3: who can grind with two outs and runners in scoring positions,
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  Speaker 3: you know, scenario. that sort of thing. And really, you know,
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  Speaker 3: clutch hitting as crazy as it sounds, that could be
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  Speaker 3: the difference in everything for this team, especially in the
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  Speaker 3: first two rounds where the margins are so slim.
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  Speaker 5: Do you feel like the Yankees are a spot and
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Boone's at a spot where he's willing to make
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  Speaker 5: the tough decisions? You already said McMahon. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 5: that's a tough decision, but like, if you look at
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  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones is left on left numbers, it's not strict platoon.
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  Speaker 5: He got cooked in the Booney got cooked in the
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  Speaker 5: diamondback series because he He went with Hedrick, who's been
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  Speaker 5: really good, against Carroll, who's been torching lefties recently. Is
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  Speaker 5: he in a spot where he cannot make the chalk
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  Speaker 5: decision that maybe would help the Yankees win if it's
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  Speaker 5: a left-on-left or right-on-right situation?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they have gotten to that point.
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  Speaker 3: I think he is managing a little bit more on
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  Speaker 3: hot hand and on the matchups that he thinks will
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  Speaker 3: work out despite the numbers. You know, like you play
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  Speaker 3: the regular season and you look at this large sample
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  Speaker 3: size and I get that that's a good way to
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  Speaker 3: operate in general with roster construction and all sorts of
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  Speaker 3: things like that. But at this time of year, it's really,
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  Speaker 3: it's really eye test, man. It's about who's swinging it
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  Speaker 3: well right now, who you think can get the job
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  Speaker 3: done against the opponent. And I do think that they
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  Speaker 3: freed up to that thinking a little bit. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: in the days when I was there, it wasn't so much.
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  Speaker 3: It was much more by the numbers, much more by
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  Speaker 3: that runway chart, you know, green or red. That pretty
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  Speaker 3: much determined everything. But from watching this team this year,
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  Speaker 3: You could tell Booney has a little bit more of
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  Speaker 3: a footprint in terms of making some more gut decisions
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  Speaker 3: and things that he's seeing with his eyes.
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  Speaker 6: All right, hold on. I got to go back to
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  Speaker 6: something you said before. You said the first two rounds
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  Speaker 6: where the margins are smaller. What are you trying to say?
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  Speaker 6: If they have to play the White Sox, the Guardians,
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  Speaker 6: or the Rangers, there's more leeway for them? I don't understand.
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  Speaker 6: Are you calling out the other side of the bracket,
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  Speaker 6: not in the ALEs? That's not very nice. Not very nice.
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  Speaker 5: No, I.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're a little sensitive. I was more talking
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  Speaker 3: about seven games versus five games in the three games.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think you have a little more breathing room there where
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  Speaker 3: the home runs might play out longer in a seven-game set,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you have a little more breathing room.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what I was talking to.
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  Speaker 3: But I see what you're getting at a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: worried about those White Sox.
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  Speaker 4: They'll be all right, I think.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, listen, you're a national broadcaster now. You can't
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  Speaker 6: have favorites anymore. You just have to be totally on
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  Speaker 6: the straight and narrow.
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  Speaker 4: No, you're right. You're right. You're right. It's got to
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  Speaker 4: toe that line, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 6: That's okay. You'll learn. You'll get there, Otto. You're doing
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  Speaker 6: a great job. Just keep doing what you're doing. Quit
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  Speaker 6: rooting for those New York teams.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be fine.
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  Speaker 5: We could keep that split up there right as it
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  Speaker 5: is now. I don't even need to be on. One
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  Speaker 5: of the two of these people are homers, and the
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  Speaker 5: other one is not.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: So that's that.
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  Speaker 4: Nope, nope, nope.
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  Speaker 6: He pointed to himself.
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  Speaker 2: He pointed to himself. Yes. Dang it.
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  Speaker 4: The camera got me.
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  Speaker 5: The camera never lies. Is this the best rotation that
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  Speaker 5: is going to be in the postseason this year?
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  Speaker 4: The Yankees rotation?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to put anybody over them. But,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the Dodgers, you've got to say at the
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  Speaker 3: same time. I mean, we don't know about Blake Snell's health,
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  Speaker 3: but Yamamoto can match up with anybody. Obviously, Scooble's pretty
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  Speaker 3: good as well. And, you know, Glasnow's pretty great.
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  Speaker 5: As well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they have plenty of options. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I do like the Yankees, though. Schlittler, Freed, Cole, Rodon.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to argue with that. Hard to argue with that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, here's his bias again. Scooble's pretty good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Scooble's all right.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I know he only has the last two
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  Speaker 6: Cy Youngs in the American League, and that includes the
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  Speaker 6: Yankees with Garrett Cole, Max Freed, and Carlos Rodon, and
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  Speaker 6: Cam Schlittler. I mean, Schlittler's going to win it this year,
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  Speaker 6: so at least next year, But, I mean, gosh, we've
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  Speaker 6: got to clean this up a little. We've got to
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  Speaker 6: work on this, okay?
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  Speaker 4: I like the Red Sox rotation, too. I mean, just
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  Speaker 4: to show you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a total homer. I mean, look, I mean, Holy, Sonny, Ranger, Bennett,
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  Speaker 3: they got some arms.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, if you tell me you like the Rockies rotation,
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  Speaker 6: then we're really going to have to start questioning stuff
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  Speaker 6: because it's all teams you played for, okay?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got you. I got you.
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  Speaker 6: But, I mean, seriously, on that note, we had Carlos
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  Speaker 6: Rodon yesterday, and we were joking with him. He's their
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  Speaker 6: fourth starter, and he's really good.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: So if you go into a postseason matchup, I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 6: the Red Sox, yes, are good. And yes, you can
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  Speaker 6: look at the Dodgers. But the Yankees and the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 6: to me, I mean, if you go rotation for rotation,
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  Speaker 6: you go, you know, Schlittler versus Yamamoto. And then you
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  Speaker 6: go Cole versus Snell. And then you go Skubal versus
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  Speaker 6: Freed and Rodon versus Glasnow. That's pretty solid. I'd like
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  Speaker 6: to see that. I'd pay to see that.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that brings me back to my childhood, the
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  Speaker 3: great starting pitcher matchups, you know, Clemens versus Pedro or,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go on down the line, but that's
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  Speaker 3: the stuff you get excited for. And that could happen
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  Speaker 3: four consecutive games and really every game of a seven
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  Speaker 3: game series if those two teams were to lock up.
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  Speaker 3: It's impossible to pick who you like more in that
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  Speaker 3: situation because they're both just really loaded. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if we've seen the Yankees in this position in a
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  Speaker 3: long time with that type of starting rotation.
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  Speaker 5: With who they have, obviously Rodon slides to the bullpen,
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  Speaker 5: or do you think he is maybe not active? Is
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  Speaker 5: that tough for starting pitchers that you've talked to when
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  Speaker 5: you've been in the postseason and you've looked down there
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  Speaker 5: and these dudes are like sitting there all.
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  Speaker 4: Nervous and you guys are like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Relax. Is that tougher for the veteran guys to slide
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  Speaker 5: down there, or.
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  Speaker 4: Have you just seen it person to person? I think
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  Speaker 4: I think it depends on the guys.
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  Speaker 3: Most guys are chomping at the bit to get the
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  Speaker 3: ball and get in there in some capacity. I think
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  Speaker 3: in this Yankees situation in particular, you don't want to
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  Speaker 3: get ahead of yourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But even if they were to win the first series,
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  Speaker 3: the next series is a five game series and there's
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  Speaker 3: an off day in there. They don't actually need four
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  Speaker 3: starters even for that round. So given that fact, I
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  Speaker 3: think Rodan has to be on the roster for both,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for the wildcard series and beyond. because I
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  Speaker 3: need him to get him in a ballgame. I can't
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  Speaker 3: have him sitting on ice for potentially two weeks and
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  Speaker 3: then having to pitch a CS start. I need him
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  Speaker 3: in the ballgame, I think, given the way that Tim
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  Speaker 3: Hill has looked this year and Hedrick a little bit lately,
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  Speaker 3: looking like he's running out of gas. I mean, why
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  Speaker 3: not have a disgusting lefty in your bullpen that wants
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  Speaker 3: the ball? I mean, Carlos is that type of guy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he worries too much about his routine.
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  Speaker 3: I think he just wants in and wants to impact.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd have him on the roster. I'd be curious
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  Speaker 3: to see what they actually do.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you ain't kidding. Plus, you know, the bullpen's a
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  Speaker 6: little bit banged up for the Yankees right now. So,
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  Speaker 6: Rodon down there could give them some innings if they
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  Speaker 6: need them. If they need it. But, all right, let's
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  Speaker 6: go to a different team. Your other favorite team in
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  Speaker 6: New York is the Mets. And you also, you pitch
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  Speaker 6: for the Mets. So, you're going to tell me how
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  Speaker 6: great they are also. So, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It's cool.
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  Speaker 6: It's cool.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 6: You see Freddy Peralta, and you see some other guys.
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  Speaker 6: You see Jeremy Heffner left for the Braves, and they're
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  Speaker 6: pitching instantly improved. You see Freddy Peralta leave. He goes
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  Speaker 6: to the Rays. They figure out some stuff, instantly improves.
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  Speaker 6: Are the Mets missing something in their pitching development program
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  Speaker 6: or their pitching in general that guys are leaving and
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  Speaker 6: then they're having success other places?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm not there right now with the
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  Speaker 3: current group. I mean, Heff was my guy. He's now
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  Speaker 3: in Atlanta. Um, I know a little bit, uh, Eric
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  Speaker 3: Jaegers who runs their, uh, minor league department.
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  Speaker 4: He's excellent.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of their guys in player development
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  Speaker 3: have done really well. I think in Freddie's case, uh,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot at play there, you know, talking free
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  Speaker 3: agent year, uh, first year in the big market. Doesn't
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  Speaker 3: pitch as well as he wants in that middle part
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  Speaker 3: of the year starts feeling it in a way he's
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  Speaker 3: never felt it before. So I don't think it's necessarily
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  Speaker 3: the Mets. I think the Mets were aware of a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the things that were messed up with Freddie,
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  Speaker 3: like his extension. maybe some of the pitch mix stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you got to credit Tampa for going heavy
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  Speaker 3: change-up usage on Freddy Peralta as soon as he got there.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think there's something to be said for
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  Speaker 3: a change of scenery in the middle of a tough year.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Freddy's a really good pitcher. I know that
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  Speaker 3: it didn't go well in New York.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think.
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  Speaker 3: There's some reality to, you know, if you've never played
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  Speaker 3: in a big market like New York, Philly, or Boston,
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  Speaker 3: or even Chicago, a place like that, and you start
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  Speaker 3: to really struggle and you feel it from the fans
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  Speaker 3: for the first time in a way you've never felt
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  Speaker 3: it before, I mean, you're a human being that has
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  Speaker 3: to affect you on some level. You know, I also
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  Speaker 3: think about Freddie. You know, he signed a very team
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  Speaker 3: friendly extension with Milwaukee. So he's coming into this year
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  Speaker 3: with a lot riding on it financially. If I have
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  Speaker 3: a great year, I think he in fact even put
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: out there what his asking price was. And to me,
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  Speaker 3: that's a little bit of the kiss of death. It
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  Speaker 3: shows you that maybe your mind wasn't in the right
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  Speaker 3: spot to handle the New York scenario. So I think
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  Speaker 3: for him, best thing that ever happened to him was
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  Speaker 3: getting to Tampa. And then we can kind of reset
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  Speaker 3: and show who he is again.
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  Speaker 5: Otto, just make sure you know Chicago, only the north
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  Speaker 5: side is a big market, okay? Only the north side,
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  Speaker 5: not south side. Completely different. It's a small market team.
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  Speaker 5: Small market team. But you went from a small market
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  Speaker 5: in Colorado, a small media market, to the Yankees. I
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  Speaker 5: know when you and LeMahieu came over, I heard you
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  Speaker 5: guys talking about how much more information, how much more.
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  Speaker 4: You guys got.
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  Speaker 5: Do you feel like that could be possibly with– part
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  Speaker 5: of the Freddie P like it just feels more comfortable
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  Speaker 5: for him like for you numbers were more comfortable for
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  Speaker 5: LeMahieu he was like they never gave us anything in
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  Speaker 5: Colorado teams can be super far behind like that's okay
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  Speaker 5: to say that the Mets are behind the Rays correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I just I just don't actually know if that's
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  Speaker 3: true I mean teams can be certainly I just don't
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  Speaker 3: know that it's true I mean I never felt like
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  Speaker 3: I had a lack of information or help with the
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  Speaker 3: Mets uh to be fair I mean you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you get in arguments about their models and the things
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  Speaker 3: that they favor and, you know, philosophy and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, make no mistake about it. Like the
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  Speaker 3: Mets are trying to win ballgames. They're trying to put
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  Speaker 3: the best people in position to help these guys. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: every time you move from one team to another team,
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  Speaker 3: it kind of highlights the fact that you have to
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  Speaker 3: be your own pitching coach. You have to know the
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  Speaker 3: things that resonate with you because you're likely not to
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  Speaker 3: stay with one team forever and have somebody holding your hand.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: So That was the biggest thing for me coming from Colorado.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: I kind of figured out who I was, so I
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: was able to go in New York and be myself. And, yeah,
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: they threw a lot of numbers at me, but I
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: was at a point in my career where I felt
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: like I could pick and choose what to listen to,
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: Gosh, that was such a good national reporter, national analyst
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: answer right there.
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: You're getting better. As this interview goes on, you keep
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: getting better and better, so it's awesome. I love how
• 13:56
  Speaker 6: you're growing. You're flowering in front of us. You mentioned
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: the Red Sox. The Red Sox play the Guardians these
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: next three games, and the matchup is pretty insane. Will
• 14:06
  Speaker 6: this help the Red Sox get ready for the postseason,
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: playing these playoff type of games for the Guardians? And
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: can the Guardians get through the Red Sox and hold
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: on and win this division?
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Man, I mean, it is an interesting series.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Now that the Red Sox have clinched and their fate
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: is sealed, they just extended a whole bunch of people today, right,
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Tracy and Brez?
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: So, I mean... I don't know.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you got to be tricky to take your
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: foot off the gas. It's tricky to do that. I
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: think you got to just play it straight. Obviously from
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: a management side, you make sure no pitcher throws too
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: much and that sort of thing. But I think the
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Red Sox play it straight. They practice competing at a
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: high level. You don't want to turn down the dial
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: before you head into a series in the Bronx. As
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: for Cleveland, they're going to be playing desperate baseball. I
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: think they've been doing that for a while, so they're
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: comfortable in that spot. But yeah, I mean, it's tough.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: They're running into the hardest opponent compared to the White Sox,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: certainly here down the stretch in the Red Sox. So
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good series. I think both teams
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: will fight hard. The only scenario I think that really
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: benefits Cleveland here is I don't think Sonny Gray is
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: going to throw 120 pitches or anything like that. Ultimately,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: the Red Sox are going to be kind of half
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: managing their workloads, but at the same time, I think
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: they'll be playing hard.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: Who are you most concerned about going into the playoffs?
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: Team-wise? Team-wise. You know, probably the Cubs.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: For me, I mean, as good as their offense is,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: I'm worried that Bregman won't be back. You know, that
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: injury was pretty horrific. You know, he's going to try
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: to fight through it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Obviously, he'll play. But I'm worried about their pitching.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I just don't see enough swing and miss with their
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: pitching to get through some of the big boys in
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: the NL. So I think they're a really good team,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: but I think they're deficient in one area. And unless
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: these balls are hit in a place where their spectacular
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: defense can impact all the time, I think they're going
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: to run into it a little bit.
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: Gosh, I like you. I like you, Otto. I like you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: You just keep growing on me. You just keep growing
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: on me. Man, I like you. I've always liked you,
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: but now I really like you.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: So thank you. Thank you.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: Thank you for having my back.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 16:12
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• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Just because you're not a fan of those teams, though,
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean that these last games of the season aren't
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: going to be electric. It doesn't matter who you're playing.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: You're playing the worst team, the game matters. You're playing
• 16:35
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• 16:48
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• 17:19
  Speaker 2: That's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said, presented
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: by Lorainco.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We're bringing back Adam Adovino to help us with this
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: one because it actually could be defining for the World
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. Otto, Paul Skeen's pitches in the WBC does
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: not have a Paul Skeen's year. velocity, not what it
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: looks like. And there's a good story that's out. Colin
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Beasley wrote it. And there are quotes from Skeen saying
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of other factors. So I don't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: want to put everything on that, but I feel like
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that was kind of the root of it a little bit.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: He's referring to the WBC said, usually that time of year,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you're kind of ramping up.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit slow.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: You kind of get into that slope and find your
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: body one live BP you're topping at 97. Then the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: next year, 98, 99. That wasn't the case this year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Looking back, I don't think that really helped. So Your thoughts,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: can you break this down for us and also spin
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it forward to how it could cause a problem when
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Paul Skeen's very notable name is putting quotes out there
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to knock the WBC for potentially hurting his season?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, when I saw the quotes, I was like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: rest in peace, WBC. Like, people are going to be
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: panicking now. Like, don't play in this thing.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. It bugs me a little.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Bit because I just felt like he's been asked about it,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: him and Logan Webb, 100,000 times this year.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: And eventually you're going to be like, all.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Right, maybe it's a thing. Look, I mean, it's a
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: different preparation. I played in three of these things. Obviously,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not a starting pitcher. I'm not on the level
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of Paul Skeens. But I feel like, you know, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: prepare accordingly. It shouldn't be. the root cause of a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: down year and when I watch Paul pitch this year
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: yes the velocity is down but it's plenty enough to
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: get guys out you know he's averaging right around 97
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: miles an hour so for me it was more his
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: delivery was out of sync he hasn't executed the same
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and then on top of that he's running to some
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: bad luck so combination of things I'm very curious to
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: watch him and what he does this offseason to rectify
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: because that's the mark of a truly great pitcher somebody
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: will remember forever is not their peak but how they
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: were able to get back to that peak time and
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: time again uh, despite the adversity.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Did you ever have something in spring training? Cause essentially
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a WBC is spring training that you pitched really well
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: through for two months. And then you're like, June, you're like, ah, man,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: this thing is creeping up. I knew it was going
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: to creep up at some point because essentially that's what
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: skeins is saying here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I think so. Um, I, I, I, I think he
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: doesn't really know. I mean, I think he's throwing stuff
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: at the wall. I mean, he, looked good in the WBC, right?
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: There has been times with your arm where you feel
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: like you're compromised and you can either get that cleaned
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: up and get back to 100% over time or it
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: can kind of slide the other direction when you're a
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: younger pitcher and you've been largely healthy like he has
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: been the last few years. Sometimes you don't really have
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: your head wrapped around how to fix something. it's one
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: of the things that I always talk about with young pitchers. Like, yeah,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I could tell you what I did to stay healthy,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: but you're going to face different challenges. You throw different
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: than me. You have a different body. So until you've
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: kind of been through the pitfalls of your own delivery
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and your own process, like, oh, sometimes this creeps in
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: or that creeps in, you don't necessarily have all the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: answers when you're 24 years old.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So for me, it's like, we'll see how he responds
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: to this, but yeah, it's not uncommon.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: You're a human.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: So you're always dealing with something and At times, things
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you think you can hold them off, and then eventually
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: they become bigger and bigger.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: All right, here's my question. We've heard Cal Raleigh mention this,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Paul Skeens, Logan Webb. Paul Skeens had a great first
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: two months, and, you know, Pete Crow Armstrong played in
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: the WBC, and he's going to be the MVP. I mean,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: there's a there's a long list of guys that have
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: played in it and have done good or bad. But
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: why is it? Is it just the easy excuse, you think,
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: to say, oh, well, he was in the WBC. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: he's he's not doing as well as he did last
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: year just because he missed those, you know, two, three
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: weeks or whatever. I mean, Gunnar Henderson played in the WBC.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: He's not having a great year. Right. So there's a
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: long list. Jack Caglione played in the WBC. He's having
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: a kick ass year. So it just is it just
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: the easy excuse to say, oh, well, he did this
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: and he's not having a great year. It's that thing's fault.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Kind of, yeah. I kind of feel that way.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: It's like a superstitious thing, almost. I mean, I remember
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I played with Raphael Betancourt, who had his worst season
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: ever of his career was after he played in the WBC,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and he's telling me, I'll never play in that again.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: You know, that ruined my season, right?
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But then, like, some of my best years were following
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the WBC individually, and I've seen it go both ways.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, I don't know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: If you get asked about it enough, eventually maybe it
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: creeps into your head, so I'm not blaming Paul for
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: saying that it might have contributed, because I know he's
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: been asked... almost every time after he pitches what's wrong
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: with you and that's just a tough place to be
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and you're going to start searching for answers and you
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: look for the variable that was different and it was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like you know what we did have a wbc this
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: year so i'm not blaming these guys for uh maybe
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: thinking it could have something to do with it but
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: it's just like anything else in baseball oh i pitch
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: bad with my socks high and now i'm gonna wear
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: pants down you know okay this glove not getting outs
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: anymore i'm chucking it away i'm starting fresh so i
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: don't know if you always have the answers like Who knows?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I honestly have no idea what the impact of the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: WBC is or isn't on the season. And we've seen
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: guys go both ways to your point. So for me,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: it just feels like a little bit of an excuse,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: but maybe an excuse that makes sense given how often
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you're asked about it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I pitched in your glove and I gave up a
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: home run. So is that my fault, your fault, or
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: did it not really matter?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the answer is probably it didn't matter,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: but I'll take the blame for it. I mean, my gloves,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I gave it up sometimes.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I'm taking the blame for it because I have broader
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: shoulders and my ERA doesn't matter as much. My last
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: question for you on the Paul Skeen stuff. You said
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: RIP WBC. Maybe RIP WBC in the format that it's in.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Could you see it moved to a mid-season classic?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, the format I would like personally is to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: play the pool play where they play it now and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: then play all the knockout round in the midseason. I
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: think it would be so exciting. You know, there's so
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: much talk about it leading up to it. And I
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: think it would just be epic in the middle of
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the summer with everybody at full bore. But I don't
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: know if that'll ever happen. I mean, that's just me
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: putting my fan hat on and what I would like
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to see for the most excitement. I don't know what
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the answer is for the timing of this thing. I've
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: heard a lot of people who are a lot more
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: passionate about it than me. I never had a problem
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: with the timing. I was like, I'm a reliever. I'll
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: get ready a little bit earlier. I'll pitch and it'll
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: be great. And I'll just go off of adrenaline and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, it is. It's a little bit of
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a different situation, but you know, we'll make do and
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: we'll enjoy it. You know, it's fun playing for your
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: country and playing in an international tournament. You don't get
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: to play tournament style baseball like a lot. So I
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: love that. But yeah, if it were me for fun,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see something in the mid season just because.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I like the buildup before a big.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Game, a big event like that, you know, especially over
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: a couple of months.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Here, I'll finish with this, my prediction, and let me
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: know if you agree with me. RIP WBC, I would
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: say to pitchers that are pre-contract, right? Like pre-free agency,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a pitcher in Paul Skeen's place. That's where I think
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: there's a separation. I know there are some bets that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to mess with this either, but you tell me, right?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Like you're out of the game now. And I know
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for players are always talking about winning and all that,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: but Contract and individualism matters in the sport too. And
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: before you get paid as an arm, it's a big deal.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So do you think that will be a big factor
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: going forward? I think that's the separator. Skeens to me
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was a little different because you're like, oh, Paul Skeens
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is going to pitch before a big season for him.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I know he's still got a few years away from
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: spring training, but you don't see as much of that,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: especially from American pitchers.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, yeah, people
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: will be thinking twice.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: We've now got a couple examples of things going wrong,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: whether it be poor performance or like a freak injury
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: like the Edwin Diaz situation or even this year with Scooble.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Like Scooble pitched where he pitched the one game and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: then it's like, is he going to keep pitching?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Is he going to not keep pitching?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: And he was kind of on the fence the whole
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: time because his contract thing is obviously up in the air, too.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think you're right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: If guys have too much to lose, I think now
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: they'll use his examples and they'll they'll shy away.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Adam, thanks for the extended time, dude.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Helpful insight for us. Just two catchers
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and a dude who has never played, so.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: The pitching helps. Can I ask one more question before
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: we go? This popped into my head, and I was
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: thinking about Adam's career. He had an unbelievable career. But
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: you were a two-pitch guy, right, your entire career?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I invented a lot of other pitches
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: along the way to have a full arsenal, but they
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: were all a distraction. I mean, everything else was just like, hey,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want to throw as many sinkers or sliders.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: So I had a cutter. I had four seam. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: had change up. I had all these pitches.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But it was all just like, hey, just not to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: overexpose the sinker-slider combo.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, that was my point.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: Because I did Refuse to Lose Territory today, which is
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: our Mariners show. And we were talking about Andres Munoz.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: And he's given up more home runs this year, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: his numbers are a little bit worse. And I said, well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: as a two-pitch guy, you know, you get into patterns.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Because he does throw a changeup to lefties, but not
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: a lot. It's mostly fastball slider. And I just wanted
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: to say, did you ever have to look at, like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: pitch count, count charts? Did you have to look at
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: patterns that you threw? So to try to get guys
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: a little bit off of what you would normally throw
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: in situations?
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, 100%.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And I mean, especially in the days of playing in
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the division so often, like when there was more divisional games,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: you face the same guys over and over and over again. So,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I literally created a cutter at one point
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: just to steal first pitch strikes and to hold back
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: throwing my slider and sinker as much. Like, again, it
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: was all just smoke and mirrors. because if you just
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: go sinker, slider, or if you're just fastball changeup like
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: a Devin Williams, no matter how nasty they are, guys
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: can sit on one or the other. They know they're
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: going to get them, and they know what window to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: look for them in. So I was trying to create
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: as much distraction as possible. Hey, go ahead, pay attention
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to my cutter, pay attention to my changeup, whatever. That
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: way I could go back to my bread and butter
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: when it mattered.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: And you talk about the hit charts and pitch charts
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: or pitch counts and stuff. AJ, 100%, I saw this guy. Maybe...
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: One of the top three most prepared relievers, because I
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: guess you weren't necessarily closing when I was there with you,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: but most prepared, but also most thought out. You would
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  Speaker 5: talk about pitching for somebody that only pitched an inning.
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  Speaker 5: You probably talked about pitching more than majority of the
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: bullpen guys that I ever played with.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I was like confident, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: paranoid at the same time. I did not want to
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: walk into a first pitch ambush. I wanted to find
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: a way to steal strikes. I wanted to find a
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: way to be convicted. So that was my whole thing.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And I remember arguing with some analysts over the years, like, hey, yes,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I know this pitch sucks by the metrics, but it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: still valuable because it's keeping me away from them seeing
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: my best stuff. So if I can throw it in
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: a take situation or get ahead with this thing, well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden they're really up against it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: They haven't seen my sinker three times or my slider.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: So I've been fighting this fight for a long time.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Seems like people are starting to come around with bigger
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: arsenals and that sort of thing. But Obviously, you have
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: to command them, and that's part two of the issue.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: See, that's next level.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Otto, that's like the reliever that won't stop throwing. You
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: know he's nervous. When you get a reliever that's a
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: veteran guy and he throws like 10 pitches and he's
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: just standing there, you're like, that guy, he's ready and confident.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: When you look in their head and you see the
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: guy that won't stop throwing, you're like, oh, gosh, when
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: we bring him in, please, please let him.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Be okay today. Yeah, you're right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, the best, that's why the best bullpen coaches
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: will go stand in front of the guy. Like, Hey,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: just that you've thrown enough, man.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Like relax. Like you gotta, you gotta do it in
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Give me the ball.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you again, extended time. Hopefully we'll have
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you on for some post-season action too, on the FT network,
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• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. Network too.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You got a double dose of auto today with the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: double header, with the Yanks and the race. So appreciate you, man.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Really good catching up with you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks guys. Don't Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't steal his water. Tell Michael K I didn't
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: steal a Snapple, okay? Pass that along.
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  Speaker 2: You will like that. You will like that. See you, Adam.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: All right. See you, guys.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: All right, so that's what he said, talking about Paul
• 29:17
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