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Lamar Jackson injury concerns, Cowboys' predictable problem, Eagles skepticism | 10.01 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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Speaker 1: have a guest join us coming to us from the ranger.
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Speaker 1: He covers the NFL over there. His name is Deontay Lee.
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Speaker 1: First time guest. What's going on, brother?
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, man. It's been a while. I've been
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Speaker 2: hoping that I would get this call eventually. Glad to
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Speaker 2: be on with you. You might not know this. I
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Speaker 2: have been in the Beaumontian realm for a little while.
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Speaker 2: I was a longtime Evening Jones watcher, used to talk
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Speaker 2: music several iterations of my social media ago that does
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Speaker 2: not exist anymore. So I'm glad to finally be on
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Speaker 2: and be able to talk some sports with you.
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Speaker 1: Don, I appreciate it. Good to have you. For folks
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Speaker 1: that don't know, I told you Deontay covers the NFL
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Speaker 1: for the Ringer. He also coaches high school football out
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Speaker 1: there in California. So you're an authority figure.
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Speaker 2: That's what they like to call me at my job.
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Speaker 2: I would say on Fridays, it doesn't feel so much
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Speaker 2: that way all the time. We're usually just riding with
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Speaker 2: whatever these teenagers decide to do on a day-to-day basis.
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Speaker 1: I always talk about this with college football, that I
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Speaker 1: just can't imagine... my livelihood, depending on the actions of
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Speaker 1: the worst decision makers on earth. I had never really
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Speaker 1: given a lot of thought to like whittling that down
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Speaker 1: to high school. Now, high school, perhaps there are worse
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Speaker 1: decision makers, but they have fewer decisions. So it kind
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Speaker 1: of balances itself out, but it's still the same principle.
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Speaker 2: 1000% the same principle. And I would say the difficulty
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Speaker 2: isn't just the kids. It's the dynamic between the kids
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Speaker 2: and the adults.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: And what I mean is you have these guys who
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Speaker 2: are former college players, might have had a cup of
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Speaker 2: coffee in the NFL. They've got big ideas of what
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Speaker 2: they want to get accomplished. And they're losing their mind
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Speaker 2: on the sideline about what's not happening on Friday nights.
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Speaker 2: And I have to bring everybody together and remind them
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Speaker 2: that 15 year old before they got to practice today
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Speaker 2: was probably catching mono, sharing drinks with their classmates. You know,
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Speaker 2: so you kind of have to temper your expectations in
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Speaker 2: that respect. I try to be relatively chill. People tell
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Speaker 2: me that I'm not always that way. But you spend
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Speaker 2: enough time in coaching, man, you realize all you can
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Speaker 2: do is draw this stuff up. It's out of your
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Speaker 2: hands very quickly in this profession.
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing I feel like, too, that people lose
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Speaker 1: sight of with every level you go down in football,
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Speaker 1: and I think people lose sight of this in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some of this in the show,
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Speaker 1: is I really think that we underestimate the difficulty of
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Speaker 1: of throwing 10 pounds of air wrapped in leather down
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Speaker 1: the field with any measure of precision while also out
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Speaker 1: here trying to do rocket science with whatever the play
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Speaker 1: is like i just the reason they didn't throw the
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Speaker 1: ball that much back in the day is not just
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Speaker 1: simply these people weren't that smart it was a full-on
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Speaker 1: understanding man that shit is hard dog they had to
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Speaker 1: think about how many rules they've had to change to
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Speaker 1: make it such that you can actually throw the ball.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I was watching Brian Thomas Jr. a couple weeks
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Speaker 2: ago when people were talking about him having the yips,
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Speaker 2: not wanting to catch the ball over the middle of
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Speaker 2: the field. And I kind of had to take a
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Speaker 2: beat before I started criticizing him and think, if I
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Speaker 2: knew that there was a safety coming from the opposite
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Speaker 2: side that I could not see, and the ball is
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Speaker 2: such that I have to jump and reach outside my frame,
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Speaker 2: I would probably take a beat to wonder how much
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Speaker 2: this completion is worth it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, me neither. No, that's the whole going over the
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Speaker 1: middle things. We've talked about this on the show that
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Speaker 1: the game has changed to the point where there are
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Speaker 1: no guys like Michael Irvin, where Michael Irvin's claim to
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Speaker 1: fame was I will go into the danger zone and
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Speaker 1: I will take whatever comes. Like that's not part of
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Speaker 1: the game anymore because there also are not safeties who
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Speaker 1: purely exist outside. to destroy people, right? 1,000%. The 12th
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Speaker 1: man on the field is the boogeyman. It's just the
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Speaker 1: fear that you have going over the middle. But that's
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Speaker 1: the Ricky Waters for who, for what. When you look back,
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Speaker 1: by the way, at that play and at the score
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Speaker 1: at the time that Ricky Waters short-armed that ball, he
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Speaker 1: had the right idea. You can't do that your first
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Speaker 1: game in Philadelphia. You can't say it out loud in
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Speaker 1: front of people. But he really was kind of right in,
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Speaker 1: for what reason would I do this? Exactly.
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Speaker 2: I want to play football for a much longer time
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Speaker 2: than just this week. I didn't come in here with
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Speaker 2: the idea that any one catch would be worth it
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Speaker 2: for the entirety of my career. You want me to
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Speaker 2: play on third down and the next down after that, right?
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Speaker 2: Give me a chance to figure out what's worth it
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Speaker 2: and what's not. So I'm not mad at it at all.
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Speaker 1: That play might have kept Ricky Waters out of the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame because I think he is a borderline case.
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Speaker 1: He has a Super Bowl ring. But the defining moment
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Speaker 1: of his career is for who? He said it so confidently.
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Speaker 2: Why would I do this? Right, right. That's an expectation
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Speaker 2: over here. Why would you ask me to do this thing?
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Speaker 2: You don't know who I am. That's one of those.
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Speaker 2: You must not be familiar with who I am as
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Speaker 2: a person.
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Speaker 1: He thought that this.
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Speaker 2: Is what I was going to do.
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Speaker 1: They're like, this costs a lot of money. Right? Like
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Speaker 1: you don't do that with the expensive things. You do
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Speaker 1: that with the other things. But you mentioned Brian Thomas Jr.
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Speaker 1: And I had this thought about the NFL right now.
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Speaker 1: On Monday night, Jamar Chase looked incredibly frustrated and I
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Speaker 1: think it's like, to me, it's a little bit endearing
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Speaker 1: considering the fact that like your starting quarterback isn't out there,
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Speaker 1: but you still think that you should be getting the
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Speaker 1: ball like you a dog in a sense, right? I
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Speaker 1: think there's something to be said for that. But I
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Speaker 1: also feel like, and I'm curious if you've noticed this,
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Speaker 1: I was reading some of your NFL power rankings on
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Speaker 1: Oranga before we got started here, but this feels like
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Speaker 1: we are returning to the old days of receivers. Now,
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Speaker 1: you're a little bit younger than me, I believe, but.
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Speaker 2: The.
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Speaker 1: Disgruntled receiver was an archetype of the NFL that honestly,
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Speaker 1: I feel like in the last however many years, like
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Speaker 1: you had like an Odell Beckham who was a character
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Speaker 1: of a receiver of sorts, but you never had him
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Speaker 1: really just that mad because he wasn't getting the ball.
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Speaker 1: Back when passing the ball was a little bit more difficult.
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Speaker 1: We had a lot, and I feel like we saw
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Speaker 1: all of our favorite receivers or every good receiver, even
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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, have the give me the damn ball. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson had a whole book call give me the
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Speaker 1: damn ball the dudes is coming back in part because
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Speaker 1: we're now approaching that part of the year where we're
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Speaker 1: figuring out who's bad and we're seeing quarterback injuries but
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Speaker 1: we saw AJ Brown getting salty you mentioned that Michael
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Speaker 1: Pinnock's in Atlanta thank goodness is now throwing the ball
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Speaker 1: to open people because Drake London was going to be
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Speaker 1: reaching that place I was thinking about Brian Thomas because
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Speaker 1: he down there playing with Trevor Lawrence who ain't even
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Speaker 1: necessarily that good But it feels like, and you tell
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, we got a lot of
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Speaker 1: receivers that's in jail right now. Justin Jefferson in jail
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Speaker 1: a little bit right now.
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and just speaking to that archetype, it's not
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Speaker 2: just those guys you mentioned, right? You had the Ben
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Speaker 2: Johnson press conference yesterday. where he was talking about guys
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Speaker 2: having to play hard even when they don't get the ball,
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Speaker 2: and everybody's immediate inference was DJ Moore, you start pulling
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Speaker 2: up clips, and it's like, that actually does look like
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Speaker 2: a guy who's not that interested in playing football if
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Speaker 2: he's not touching the ball, right? You think about Marvin
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Speaker 2: Harrison Jr. on just this past Thursday night, where it
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Speaker 2: looks like he's disconnected until he starts getting a couple catches,
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Speaker 2: and then he looks like a different football player. I
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Speaker 2: think that The rarity that you spoke to is exactly
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Speaker 2: the truth, because if it wasn't so rare, we wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have had as big a reaction in the receiver special
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Speaker 2: on Netflix when Devontae Adams is on the sideline like,
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Speaker 2: I will never play with this Jimmy Garoppolo guy again.
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Speaker 2: He's going to get me killed. Oh, I did not
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Speaker 2: see that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: He had like a whole meltdown on the sideline. I
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Speaker 2: forget what game it was in. I think he had
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Speaker 2: the press conference after the fact, because that might have
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Speaker 2: been after Antonio Pierce got fired. where it was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we got to make some changes around here. But he's
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Speaker 2: on the sideline talking about, dude, Jimmy trying to get
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Speaker 2: me killed. I'm going to lose my life over the
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Speaker 2: middle of the field here. I got to get away
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Speaker 2: from this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Oh, not the hospital balls. Like, imagine. I am glad
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Speaker 1: that Devontae Adams has wound up somewhere that's okay for him, right?
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Speaker 1: Because he went from playing with Aaron Rodgers. And look,
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Speaker 1: Derek Carr, starting caliber NFL quarterback, on top of being
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Speaker 1: his mans, right? But he was a capable starting quarterback.
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Speaker 1: And then he got what was left of Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what it was like for him to
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Speaker 1: go to work every day. And now you're telling me
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Speaker 1: that he was like, no more hospital balls. No more
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Speaker 1: hospital balls for me.
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Speaker 2: You want to talk about some Eddie Murphy trading places,
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Speaker 2: penthouse to project. You know, you go from Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 2: feeding you touches all throughout the game to Jimmy Garoppolo
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Speaker 2: basically looking at you and saying, hey, if I say
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Speaker 2: you're open, that's where I'm throwing the ball. You just
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Speaker 2: have to deal with whatever safety or whatever linebacker is
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Speaker 2: coming your way. I wouldn't want to make that type
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Speaker 2: of change in my life either.
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Speaker 1: Malik neighbors, by the way, now he's hurt. He tore
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Speaker 1: his ACL, but you know, he was down bad and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't going to get no better for him. Cause
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Speaker 1: I did not, I did not come out from what
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Speaker 1: I saw from that Jackson dart game, feeling like they
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Speaker 1: found the solution. Right. I just think they feel better
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Speaker 1: about what form of mediocrity they're going to wind up
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Speaker 1: existing in. You mentioned DJ more. It was somebody else
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Speaker 1: that I was looking at that. I was like, damn
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Speaker 1: homie in jail. Dak Prescott, on the other hand is
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Speaker 1: out here freeing cats. He out here breaking people out
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Speaker 1: of jail. Those dudes he throwing the ball to should
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Speaker 1: be inmates.
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Speaker 2: That and I mean, you see George Pickens and all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you're on your best behavior, right? When
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Speaker 2: it's not Russell Wilson just laying the ball out there.
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Speaker 2: I got somebody I can trust now.
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Speaker 1: Nothing is more predictable than the season that George Pickens
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Speaker 1: is going to have. Nothing is more predictable. variant than
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Speaker 1: the season that George Pickens will have next year after
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Speaker 1: he gets something like $ 60 million guaranteed.
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Speaker 2: 100% worst case scenario. This dude's going to end up
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Speaker 2: with like 1,200 yards and 13 touchdowns and he's going
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Speaker 2: to go into Jerry's office and be like, wide receiver one, baby.
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Speaker 2: Trade it for.
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Speaker 3: Me, right?
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Speaker 2: I'm on an expiring contract. What you going to do
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Speaker 2: to keep me, buddy?
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Speaker 1: No, Jerry's going to give him that money because look,
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Speaker 1: the idea that you could have him and CeeDee Lamb,
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Speaker 1: and if Dak performs, you know, we'll see how it
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Speaker 1: goes down the line, but Dak's been really good this year.
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Speaker 1: But if you've got the two of them, or perhaps
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Speaker 1: most importantly, you have George Pickens in a sense where
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Speaker 1: it's good to have him, but you don't have to
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Speaker 1: depend on him. That might be best case scenario.
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Speaker 2: Don't disagree. You also have to have that meeting with
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Speaker 2: your coaching staff where you say, you've got to get
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Speaker 2: George Pickens to practice every day once he's earning $ 20
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Speaker 2: to $ 25 million. Best of luck to you, buddy.
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Speaker 1: Look, if he doesn't practice every day, I'm not even
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Speaker 1: really tripping on that because he doesn't seem to need
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Speaker 1: that much, right? My problem, again, is... When George Pickens
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Speaker 1: forgets what we're doing right now, whatever right now and
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Speaker 1: what we're doing happened to me. He doesn't always remember
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Speaker 1: like the, the interception. And now you're still messing with
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Speaker 1: the dude that was covering you as opposed to the
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Speaker 1: guy that made the interception.
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Speaker 2: I would say even worse, you get those moments of
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Speaker 2: George Pickens where he decides that what the other 21
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Speaker 2: people on the field are doing really doesn't apply to
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Speaker 2: him at all. I might be thinking about some water
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Speaker 2: right now. You know what? I needed a couple snaps
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Speaker 2: off three plays ago. I think I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: ahead and take that now. I'm going to heal on
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Speaker 2: company time, as Shaq would say. You've got to worry
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Speaker 2: about that. And if you embolden him with a payday,
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that that kind of behavior gets any better.
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Speaker 1: Hey, man, let me tell you a little subtle thing
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Speaker 1: that I don't know how many people think about, but
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Speaker 1: I don't follow college sports and recruiting as much as
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Speaker 1: I used to. One thing that you can tell a
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Speaker 1: lot about is not just who does offer somebody, it's
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Speaker 1: who doesn't offer somebody. It used to be like this.
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Speaker 1: If there was a great player in the state of Texas,
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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, Oklahoma offered him, but Texas did not.
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Speaker 1: There was a story there. 100%. Right? There was an explanation,
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Speaker 1: but Oklahoma historically would have to take players that Texas
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Speaker 1: did not, right?
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: George Pickens is from Hoover, Alabama. That's the school that
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Speaker 1: was on that show, okay? Nick Saban did not offer him.
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Speaker 2: And that's at an era where he could have used
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Speaker 2: the George Pickens, right? That's when they were loading up
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Speaker 2: on wide receivers.
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Speaker 1: There's a story there. I don't know what exactly that
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Speaker 1: story is, but the fact that George Pickens was a
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Speaker 1: second-round pick.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: What was the intel of this incredibly talented motherfucker when
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Speaker 1: it was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: You've talked about this in my backyard of Southern California, right?
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Speaker 2: I think about the Pete Carroll era, and you're talking
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Speaker 2: about a head coach that would go to the PJs
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Speaker 2: and Watts to go get a kid if that's what
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Speaker 2: it took. So if you are from anywhere from Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles County to San Diego County and USC ain't calling,
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Speaker 2: that's probably a message that there are some things that
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Speaker 2: come with you that just ain't worth bringing on campus.
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Speaker 1: Right. Why did Vontaze Perfect have to go to Arizona State,
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Speaker 1: you may be wondering?
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: There's a reason. By the way, we discovered this on
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Speaker 1: the show the other day. Did you know he's coaching
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Speaker 1: at UNLV?
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Speaker 2: I did see that. I saw that about a week
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Speaker 2: or so ago, and I thought, God, I can't imagine
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Speaker 2: what he's like in a meeting room. I would hate
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Speaker 2: to miss an assignment with Vontaze Burfeet as.
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Speaker 1: My position coach. He could be a great coach. Like,
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Speaker 1: he could be a coach like my homeboy that used
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Speaker 1: to steal, then got a job in loss prevention. And
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Speaker 1: he was a beast. Like, what was that? The DiCaprio movies,
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Speaker 1: Catch Me If You Can? The one where he's the
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Speaker 1: cop man and then he becomes the feds?
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: That's Vontaze Burfeet.
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 2: I've had some coaches like that too, right? You get
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Speaker 2: your little bounce back, might have gone to a D1 school,
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Speaker 2: didn't last very long, and they come back on the whole,
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Speaker 2: I can play better than you, but I can tell
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Speaker 2: you all the things not to do so you don't
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Speaker 2: end up like me. I can imagine for Vontaze Burfecht,
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Speaker 2: he can pull up a whole reel of number 54
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati alone. You see that guy and everything he
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Speaker 2: does after the whistle is what you don't do. And
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Speaker 2: that's probably the best coaching he has to offer. Yes.
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Speaker 1: By the way, as we talk about receivers who are
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Speaker 1: in jail, can I offer you a very interesting case
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Speaker 1: of one? Who's in jail?
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Speaker 2: Who's that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know how closely you've looked at Chris Olave's numbers,
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Speaker 1: but I saw it this morning. Okay, guys, they are
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Speaker 1: throwing the ball to Chris Olave a lot because the
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Speaker 1: Saints are terrible. And so they're behind all the time.
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Speaker 1: So they have to throw the ball all the time.
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Speaker 1: Chris Alave has 26 catches for 185 yards. He is
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Speaker 1: averaging seven yards reception. I have never seen anything like
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Speaker 1: this before in my life. They don't have a single
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Speaker 1: receiver who is averaging 10 yards of reception.
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Speaker 2: That's nasty football. That is nasty football. That's what you
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Speaker 2: would expect from like Brian Westbrook back in the mid
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Speaker 2: 2000s as a receiving running back. You never want to
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Speaker 2: be a receiver with them kind of averages because for
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Speaker 2: all them catches, that means 26 times getting tackled probably
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Speaker 2: by guys like Much, much bigger than you.
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Speaker 1: Yo, somebody going to break some shit down there. And
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Speaker 1: I also think it is worth noting. Look, Spencer Rattler,
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Speaker 1: this is impossible. Spencer Rattler is completing 67% of his
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Speaker 1: passes and averaging 5.2 yards in attempt. Again, never seen
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Speaker 1: anything quite like this, which tells me they missed on
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Speaker 1: their second round pick with Tyler Shuck, who's like 47
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Speaker 1: years old. They missed because there's no way that if
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Speaker 1: he's not playing, they missed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they made Rattler the starter pretty, like, definite, right?
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Speaker 2: Definitely he's the starter. This is not a competition. This
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Speaker 2: guy is the guy. And he's putting up Ben Roethlisberger
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Speaker 2: at the end of his career numbers right now. So
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Speaker 2: that tells you a lot about what Tyler Shuck might
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Speaker 2: have looked like if you would have thrown him out
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Speaker 2: on the field. And I think that that's been a
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Speaker 2: story for a lot of these young quarterbacks, even with
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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart, right? You look at these guys and some
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Speaker 2: of the plays they do and don't make, and you say,
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Speaker 2: if you could sit for maybe two years, that might
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Speaker 2: actually be what's in your best interest if you want
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Speaker 2: to make it work in the league.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I'll switch gears a little bit. I wondered
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Speaker 1: watching the Ravens game, because I ain't going to lie,
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Speaker 1: I turned it off before they took LeVar Jackson out,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't realize that we were discussing whatever the
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Speaker 1: injury was. But he looked hurt early in that game. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much to take from that game.
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Speaker 1: I do know that their defense look a lot like
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Speaker 1: the Make-A-Wish Foundation that's lining up down there in Dallas. Like,
16:23
Speaker 1: where does this go from here with this team? So
16:26
Speaker 1: I'm just... Operating on the assumption that Lamar Jackson is
16:29
Speaker 1: not seriously hurt.
16:30
Speaker 2: Right. We would have heard about that, right? He would
16:32
Speaker 2: have definitely probably been listed out if the hamstring was
16:35
Speaker 2: going to hamper him for weeks beyond maybe what we
16:38
Speaker 2: saw in Kansas City and what might be to come
16:40
Speaker 2: next week. I do think it's tricky with Baltimore because
16:45
Speaker 2: you're talking about John Harbaugh now. And if there's one
16:47
Speaker 2: thing that we've seen with John Harbaugh, it's that he's
16:50
Speaker 2: not going to move on from guys if they're a problem.
16:53
Speaker 2: You look at who they got at right guard. Daniel
16:54
Speaker 2: Follelet was an interesting prospect coming out. Six foot eight
16:58
Speaker 2: was heavily oversized coming into the league has kind of
17:02
Speaker 2: worked himself into shape and bless him for it. but
17:05
Speaker 2: you turn on clips and you should never see an
17:07
Speaker 2: offensive lineman facing the quarterback. And there are a lot
17:09
Speaker 2: of clips looking at Lamar Jackson, trying to work through
17:13
Speaker 2: his progression and they haven't moved on for him in
17:15
Speaker 2: spite of him being a liability over the years. And
17:18
Speaker 2: then that doesn't even touch on the defense. And I
17:21
Speaker 2: think a really thorny situation when you promote a guy
17:24
Speaker 2: who is a Raven through and through had his career
17:27
Speaker 2: ended by injury with the Ravens and Zach or, and
17:30
Speaker 2: it's clearly struggling to try to find his identity as
17:32
Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator and And if I know anything about
17:35
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh is that he's not in a rush to
17:37
Speaker 2: let go of that guy. And I keep watching this
17:39
Speaker 2: film and it keeps looking like the common denominator here
17:42
Speaker 2: is that the defensive play caller does not have it
17:44
Speaker 2: right now.
17:46
Speaker 1: Here's what I think the Ravens have going for them.
17:50
Speaker 1: They have a game against the Rams in two weeks
17:54
Speaker 1: on October 12th. Outside of that. they might be favored
18:00
Speaker 1: in every game they play until December. Like their schedule
18:05
Speaker 1: looks soft. Texans, Rams. Now they got the Rams at
18:10
Speaker 1: home though, but it's Texans, Rams, Bears at home. Dolphins, Vikings,
18:14
Speaker 1: Browns on the road. Jets, Bengals, Steelers at home, at
18:19
Speaker 1: the Bengals, home for the Patriots, at the Packers, at
18:22
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Until this gets late, They've got some cake opponents. Like,
18:27
Speaker 1: they should be able to get their wins up, if
18:30
Speaker 1: nothing else.
18:31
Speaker 2: I mean, they'll probably be, by definition, that 12-5 team
18:34
Speaker 2: that you know ain't that good, right? Because they'll probably
18:36
Speaker 2: go 6-0 in division if they handle their business. They'll
18:39
Speaker 2: probably split some of these games against the NFC North teams,
18:43
Speaker 2: and they'll look good coming down the stretch, but based
18:45
Speaker 2: on the way that this defense goes, and maybe this
18:47
Speaker 2: doesn't hold every year, but usually if a defense starts
18:50
Speaker 2: off poorly, they probably end the season poorly. That's a talent-based...
18:54
Speaker 2: type of side of the ball, you don't usually find
18:56
Speaker 2: yourself midway through and turn into an elite unit. They
19:00
Speaker 2: clearly have some talent problems. They've got guys hurt, a
19:03
Speaker 2: bunch of guys on IR, and we don't even know
19:05
Speaker 2: what the status of some of those guys will be
19:06
Speaker 2: coming back. And a lot of those guys look like
19:08
Speaker 2: they're losing steps outside of Kyle Hamilton. So I have
19:12
Speaker 2: some big time concerns about what it's actually going to
19:14
Speaker 2: look like. And that means more conversations about who Lamar
19:17
Speaker 2: Jackson is and isn't as a quarterback, even if he
19:20
Speaker 2: ends up not being the driving force for why this
19:22
Speaker 2: team disappoints again by uh january and.
19:25
Speaker 1: So that's interesting to me because i and i am
19:30
Speaker 1: not i'm not a scientific observer of this right like
19:33
Speaker 1: there are people who know more than i do um
19:36
Speaker 1: but he seems to me at this point to be
19:38
Speaker 1: a legitimately excellent passer his hold up is that i
19:41
Speaker 1: always look like he playing darts you know what i
19:43
Speaker 1: mean like it doesn't like i always say i say
19:45
Speaker 1: john elway is the ultimate eye test quarterback and i
19:49
Speaker 1: had people push back on me online and they would
19:51
Speaker 1: talk about well aaron rogers i'm like if aaron rogers
19:53
Speaker 1: don't look like that and they're like well he's an
19:56
Speaker 1: inch shorter and da da da yeah yeah yeah yeah
19:58
Speaker 1: yeah i hear you that's one of the best throwing
20:00
Speaker 1: arms i've ever seen but when you look at john
20:02
Speaker 1: elway throw the ball we're not even there's no question
20:05
Speaker 1: who's the starter on this team Right. Like there's never
20:07
Speaker 1: any place like the line was his first time he
20:10
Speaker 1: played football. His dad was late to the game. His
20:12
Speaker 1: dad got there and asked, so what is it? They
20:14
Speaker 1: said either your kids, the best, the best ever or
20:16
Speaker 1: all the rest of the worst.
20:18
Speaker 3: Right.
20:19
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson does not look like that when he throws
20:21
Speaker 1: the ball. And I always wonder how much of that
20:24
Speaker 1: affects like the way that we view him as a passer.
20:26
Speaker 1: But the only thing that seems to be the issue
20:28
Speaker 1: to me is he and the entire team get tight
20:31
Speaker 1: at the in a certain type of scenario. It's not
20:35
Speaker 1: all of them. But some of them, they get tight.
20:38
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a little back and forth with
20:40
Speaker 2: Nick Wright on social media about that, right? And I
20:43
Speaker 2: understand it. And I would say that as the years
20:46
Speaker 2: have gone on, I would say specifically after that AFC
20:48
Speaker 2: championship game against the Chiefs a couple years ago, when
20:51
Speaker 2: it was clear, like, they were the better team, the
20:54
Speaker 2: more talented team, had the better season coming in. And
20:57
Speaker 2: the second that they saw those red helmets step off
21:00
Speaker 2: the bus, everything changed in that locker room. They were emotional.
21:03
Speaker 2: They were undisciplined. They've had turnover problems. I think that
21:06
Speaker 2: that also has kind of been emblematic of Lamar Jackson's
21:08
Speaker 2: career in the postseason. So nobody's arguing the other side
21:12
Speaker 2: of that now. I do wonder why that is. And
21:15
Speaker 2: maybe this comes down from the top. I don't think
21:18
Speaker 2: we see John Harbaugh as being an undisciplined, overly emotional guy.
21:23
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, outside of 2012, basically, every time
21:27
Speaker 2: his team has been in his biggest moments, they have
21:29
Speaker 2: totally come apart at the seams. It doesn't matter who
21:32
Speaker 2: the coordinator is, the quarterback, how they're playing defense. They
21:35
Speaker 2: have always shown up as the worst versions of themselves
21:38
Speaker 2: in big games. And you've talked about this in the
21:41
Speaker 2: NBA since with James Harden and some of the guys
21:43
Speaker 2: who have struggled to get over that hill. It's hard
21:46
Speaker 2: to quantify where you're at mentally when you land in
21:49
Speaker 2: those moments against somebody that you know is just as good,
21:52
Speaker 2: if not better than you. And it makes you wilt, right?
21:55
Speaker 2: It makes you go into a shell. I don't know
21:56
Speaker 2: how you fix that.
21:57
Speaker 1: I mean, and the thing that got him last year
21:59
Speaker 1: against Buffalo, obviously, is that Lamar made the plays. And
22:03
Speaker 1: it was Mark Andrews.
22:05
Speaker 2: Who, you know. Gave the booty away, as you would say.
22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave up the booty, but like, you know,
22:11
Speaker 1: it used to be a thing we used to say
22:13
Speaker 1: before gambling was legal that it looked like in these moments.
22:16
Speaker 1: But now those feel like stronger accusations and I feel
22:18
Speaker 1: like I have to remove that phrasing from my discussion.
22:23
Speaker 1: But it's the blown fourth quarters. It's just over and
22:26
Speaker 1: over again with it. And with Harbaugh, you're right. 2012,
22:29
Speaker 1: they managed to make it happen. Don't forget 2011. drop
22:33
Speaker 1: touchdown pass, miss field goal.
22:36
Speaker 2: Like right at the end.
22:36
Speaker 1: Like all these things run together, and it feels almost
22:39
Speaker 1: like that division has been owned by John Harbaugh and
22:43
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, two guys that all of us think are
22:45
Speaker 1: very good coaches and will consistently give you a chance
22:48
Speaker 1: to win, but not that much.
22:51
Speaker 2: Right. Right. And that's I think that's the thing that
22:54
Speaker 2: trips me up because I look at the guy who
22:56
Speaker 2: owns John Harbaugh in this era being Andy Reid. And
22:59
Speaker 2: I'm an Eagles fan. I remember what the conversation was
23:01
Speaker 2: like with that guy before he got to Kansas City.
23:04
Speaker 2: So it just it holds me up every time. So
23:06
Speaker 2: I'm like, if that guy can get over the hump
23:08
Speaker 2: and maybe it is just as simple as you get
23:10
Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback who's ever walked the earth. And everything
23:13
Speaker 2: looks better. You know, that might be the problem. But
23:15
Speaker 2: I look at John Harbaugh and I'm like, why can't
23:17
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23:20
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23:22
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23:26
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23:29
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23:32
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Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Deontay Lee. Sam Darnold,
25:07
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, you believe in that shit?
25:11
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold more than Daniel Jones? I don't know what
25:13
Speaker 2: that says about Daniel Jones. I honestly don't know what
25:15
Speaker 2: that says about Sam Darnold either, if I'm being honest.
25:18
Speaker 1: Do you have a hard time in these moments detecting
25:20
Speaker 1: if you're being fair? Because I have a hard time
25:22
Speaker 1: in these moments detecting if I'm being fair.
25:23
Speaker 2: 100%, especially with the guy like Daniel Jones. The last
25:28
Speaker 2: time we saw Daniel Jones- He was told to go
25:31
Speaker 2: home mid-shift. We didn't even have to get to the
25:35
Speaker 2: end of the season before New York said, actually, buddy,
25:39
Speaker 2: whatever you have planned for your winter, you go on
25:41
Speaker 2: and get to it. You want to go skiing? Hit
25:43
Speaker 2: the Alps. We don't need you. Hand over your key
25:47
Speaker 2: card now. So that's the guy I think I'm most
25:49
Speaker 2: held up by. I do think, and focusing on him specifically,
25:53
Speaker 2: and maybe there's a bigger conversation to have, the fact
25:55
Speaker 2: that he looks this competent right now in Indianapolis, in
25:58
Speaker 2: spite of the fact that Not a single bit of
26:00
Speaker 2: the Colts roster has changed around him. What does that
26:03
Speaker 2: say about Brian Dable in New York? And more importantly,
26:07
Speaker 2: what does that say about Anthony Richardson?
26:10
Speaker 1: So, you know, I'm holding out on Richardson. Like I still,
26:13
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm holding out on him in
26:14
Speaker 1: part because of the examples of guys like Daniel Jones
26:17
Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold or in Baker Mayfield, who I do
26:20
Speaker 1: want to get to at some point, because I think
26:21
Speaker 1: he's a bit of a tricky case, but the development
26:25
Speaker 1: arc of a quarterback is much longer than then it
26:28
Speaker 1: is typically given credit for being in the nature of
26:31
Speaker 1: the salary structure in the NFL. It now requires teams
26:34
Speaker 1: to make these decisions about quarterbacks in year three. basically,
26:38
Speaker 1: which appears to be too early. Now, I felt like
26:41
Speaker 1: after they put Richardson on punishment last year, that he
26:44
Speaker 1: came back and looked better, and that there was a
26:46
Speaker 1: possibility that this year, who knows? I can't say that
26:49
Speaker 1: Richardson couldn't have looked like that this year in this offense,
26:52
Speaker 1: because I saw Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones play last year,
26:56
Speaker 1: and I think Anthony Richardson was better.
26:57
Speaker 2: Was a better player, yeah.
26:59
Speaker 1: Right, so how can I say that? And I guarantee you,
27:01
Speaker 1: there's somebody who is saying exactly what I'm saying right
27:04
Speaker 1: now for anybody to listen, and that is Anthony Richardson,
27:08
Speaker 1: I assure you that he is making it known. I
27:12
Speaker 1: could do that. And you're like, well, why didn't you
27:15
Speaker 1: do it last year? And he's like, why didn't he
27:17
Speaker 1: do it last year?
27:19
Speaker 2: I'm sure at practice, they're going through the exact same
27:21
Speaker 2: route tree as they're warming up. And he's looking at
27:23
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones make these throws. And he's got to be
27:25
Speaker 2: looking at his offensive coordinator like, really? That dude? You
27:29
Speaker 2: telling me that that dude is the guy that you
27:31
Speaker 2: put me on the bench for? Are you positive that
27:34
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do? And then on the
27:35
Speaker 2: other hand, that offensive coordinator could pull up film and say, hey, man,
27:40
Speaker 2: this is a three-yard completion. Why is somebody pulling a
27:43
Speaker 2: tooth out their mouth in the third row?
27:47
Speaker 3: I don't know.
27:47
Speaker 2: I don't know how to square these two things because
27:49
Speaker 2: they're both true. They're both true. And I don't know
27:52
Speaker 2: which one deserves more weight in this scenario. I think
27:56
Speaker 2: that for Richardson, maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
27:58
Speaker 2: I do think not to be morbid about it. I
28:01
Speaker 2: also think the fact that there was a change in
28:03
Speaker 2: ownership basically over the offseason might have changed some things
28:07
Speaker 2: with their timeline. Because it seems like the newest Ursae,
28:10
Speaker 2: daughter Ursae, is a lot more involved. And I think
28:13
Speaker 2: that maybe coming in the door, she said, one thing
28:15
Speaker 2: I ain't going to do is watch a guy complete 40%
28:17
Speaker 2: of his passes. We can't live like that. I can't
28:21
Speaker 2: tell you that Daniel Jones is going to give us
28:22
Speaker 2: a better chance to win. But I know that for
28:24
Speaker 2: my own well-being and mental health, I cannot watch a
28:27
Speaker 2: quarterback throw the ball into the sideline every time he's
28:29
Speaker 2: trying to check it down.
28:30
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this, and I forget which of
28:32
Speaker 1: these trees Steichen's off of, but it seems to me
28:36
Speaker 1: that if you're going to make it work with Richardson,
28:38
Speaker 1: you need something Shanahan McVay-y, which is to say we
28:41
Speaker 1: throw it far.
28:43
Speaker 3: Right.
28:43
Speaker 1: Like we do these things because, I mean, you put
28:47
Speaker 1: Richardson in like a stretch run game. That's an underrated
28:51
Speaker 1: thing that people don't get is that a quarterback that
28:53
Speaker 1: can move can then stretch out what's possible on the
28:56
Speaker 1: stretch play. It's why people were excited about the idea
28:58
Speaker 1: of Malik Willis coming into the league in spite of
29:01
Speaker 1: some of his physical limitations is watch what happens on
29:03
Speaker 1: the stretch, right?
29:04
Speaker 3: Right.
29:05
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a place where it could get done,
29:07
Speaker 1: but you're right. If you can't trust the dude to
29:09
Speaker 1: just get the little nickels and dimes when they out there,
29:11
Speaker 1: that's got to be incredibly frustrating when you're in charge.
29:14
Speaker 2: How do you call plays? How do you call plays
29:16
Speaker 2: with that in mind? That if there's a guy wide open,
29:18
Speaker 2: five yards away from the quarterback, that you can't count
29:21
Speaker 2: on the fact that he can put it on the
29:23
Speaker 2: guy's chest. That's a difficult thing to call plays around.
29:26
Speaker 2: But I do agree with you. And I think that
29:28
Speaker 2: maybe this situation has just kind of gone rotten. It
29:31
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily seem like The Colts are totally out on
29:34
Speaker 2: him as a human, right? I think they were frustrated
29:36
Speaker 2: after his first two years not being able to stay healthy.
29:39
Speaker 2: yeah gas stations you know part of the music videos
29:43
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis people are people a little worried about where
29:45
Speaker 2: your head is at you might not be in the
29:46
Speaker 2: film room the way that they need you to be
29:48
Speaker 2: but since then it seems like not only to your
29:51
Speaker 2: point has he played better it seems like he's been
29:53
Speaker 2: more invested in trying to be a better version of
29:55
Speaker 2: himself as a quarterback it just might be too late
29:58
Speaker 2: and like you said these timelines the trajectory that's expected
30:01
Speaker 2: on quarterbacks, it's unfair for a guy like Richardson, especially
30:05
Speaker 2: when you're picked fourth overall. But I think that maybe
30:08
Speaker 2: that toothpaste is just out of the tube. I do
30:10
Speaker 2: think if he is ever on the market as an
30:13
Speaker 2: Eagles fan, I got to look and say, man, look,
30:17
Speaker 2: if I don't want my starting quarterback doing all that
30:18
Speaker 2: tush push, all the design quarterback run stuff. And just
30:22
Speaker 2: in case he gets dinged up, I can get somebody
30:24
Speaker 2: who can hand the ball off, run some play actions
30:26
Speaker 2: and give the ball to A.J. Brown. I can't imagine
30:29
Speaker 2: a much better option than that.
30:31
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. At some point, and I
30:33
Speaker 1: don't know exactly when that point is, somebody going to
30:35
Speaker 1: cash in on Trey Lance. He's right now getting remade
30:41
Speaker 1: in that Harbaugh image. Let me tell you this. Everybody
30:45
Speaker 1: needs to be afraid. They buy low on Trey Lance
30:47
Speaker 1: and then somehow Harbaugh got a spot for Anthony Richardson
30:50
Speaker 1: to just come in there. And learn a little something.
30:52
Speaker 2: That's a great call.
30:53
Speaker 1: That's a great call. Watch what I saw what Harbaugh
30:56
Speaker 1: did with Colin Kaepernick. I see what Harbaugh done with
30:59
Speaker 1: just about everybody you gave Harbaugh.
31:01
Speaker 2: Right. Right.
31:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 2: I mean, and for me, I think that with Richardson,
31:07
Speaker 2: the scheme that you laid out is exactly what he needs.
31:09
Speaker 2: I think that he also needs a legitimate veteran in
31:12
Speaker 2: front of him who can tell him what to do.
31:15
Speaker 2: From a mental perspective, because I'm sure I mean, Daniel Jones,
31:18
Speaker 2: we talked about a little bit earlier. Daniel Jones don't
31:20
Speaker 2: seem like a great example. Right. Like what Daniel Jones
31:22
Speaker 2: told me about the pull up. I was like, hey, man,
31:24
Speaker 2: here's how I identify the blitz. That don't seem like
31:28
Speaker 2: the kind of guy that's going to get you any
31:29
Speaker 2: closer to being the quarterback you need to be. I
31:32
Speaker 2: would say, honestly, even in Baltimore, you can go look
31:34
Speaker 2: at Lamar Jackson, who was not as inaccurate as Anthony
31:37
Speaker 2: Richardson coming into the league. but certainly had some mechanical
31:41
Speaker 2: stuff he needed to clean up. You get with a
31:43
Speaker 2: guy like that, he might get you right. Honestly, you
31:45
Speaker 2: get with a guy like Sam Darnold, who for whatever
31:47
Speaker 2: reason has gone from a little too ambitious in New
31:50
Speaker 2: York to not ambitious enough in Carolina, and then gets
31:53
Speaker 2: to Minnesota, and now you're letting it loose again. You
31:56
Speaker 2: might be able to go back up a guy like
31:58
Speaker 2: that and get some training and be ready. I do
32:00
Speaker 2: not think that we have seen the last of that guy,
32:02
Speaker 2: and I don't think we've seen the last of him
32:04
Speaker 2: being a viable starter.
32:05
Speaker 3: In the league.
32:05
Speaker 1: All right. You mentioned Darnold right quick. And this is
32:07
Speaker 1: the thing that I think is worth saying. I did
32:09
Speaker 1: not feel like the Sam Darnold of last year looked
32:12
Speaker 1: that much different than the Sam Darnold of previous. The
32:15
Speaker 1: results look different. I wasn't as so. And plus, he
32:19
Speaker 1: had the best wide receiver in the league. Right.
32:22
Speaker 2: Maybe the best play caller in the league.
32:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was a lot going on.
32:25
Speaker 1: But in the end, he reverted in a way that
32:28
Speaker 1: would terrify me.
32:30
Speaker 3: Right.
32:30
Speaker 1: He reverted in a way that this isn't about how
32:33
Speaker 1: good you are. This is about what we were talking
32:35
Speaker 1: about before. This is about you losing your shit out
32:38
Speaker 1: here in front of everybody. Like and nobody knows how
32:40
Speaker 1: to fix that. There's not an answer. And look, some
32:43
Speaker 1: guys do at points get past it or you just
32:45
Speaker 1: are able to get past it for the one postseason
32:48
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Right. But he never he never.
32:52
Speaker 1: That part he hasn't fixed, and he hasn't gotten right.
32:55
Speaker 1: Seattle looks a lot better than expected. Keep in mind,
32:59
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf does not play for them anymore, right? He's
33:02
Speaker 1: out there making it happen, but I think that nothing matters,
33:07
Speaker 1: and this is unfair to him, but I think you'll
33:09
Speaker 1: feel me. Nothing matters until it matters. Oh, by the way,
33:12
Speaker 1: they have the second-best point differential in the NFC over
33:14
Speaker 1: there behind America's team, the Detroit Lions.
33:17
Speaker 2: I mean, nothing about Seattle success right now really has
33:19
Speaker 2: a lot to do with Sam Darnold. And I will
33:21
Speaker 2: say that is best case scenario. If you are Sam Darnold,
33:25
Speaker 2: you want to play for a team where no matter
33:27
Speaker 2: what version of me shows up, you got everything else
33:29
Speaker 2: teed up. Right. Their run game has been better. Their
33:32
Speaker 2: defense might be the best in the NFL right now.
33:34
Speaker 2: You're playing in that wide zone scheme you're talking about.
33:37
Speaker 2: Having one of the Kubiak kids calling all the outside
33:40
Speaker 2: zone for you. All he's got to do is just
33:42
Speaker 2: get the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigba. That seems
33:45
Speaker 2: simple enough. And as long as you can find that
33:46
Speaker 2: guy in the middle of the field, you will probably
33:49
Speaker 2: be just fine. But I'm with you until it's a
33:51
Speaker 2: rematch against San Francisco, right? For the NFC West title
33:55
Speaker 2: until we're in that wildcard round and you're in Philadelphia.
33:58
Speaker 2: on that key third down and you know that Blitz
34:00
Speaker 2: is coming or they're playing man coverage and you got
34:02
Speaker 2: to sit in that pocket and deliver the ball accurately,
34:04
Speaker 2: there is nothing that Sam Darnold can do to convince me.
34:07
Speaker 2: I just think that right now he might be a
34:08
Speaker 2: little bit better option than what's happening at his previous
34:12
Speaker 2: stop in Minnesota.
34:13
Speaker 1: By the way, 2025, we're still using names like Shanahan
34:16
Speaker 1: and Kubiak. John Elway. Job creator. John Elway has put
34:21
Speaker 1: those two families where they are for 40 something years.
34:26
Speaker 1: They have been eating off of the legacy of John Elway.
34:29
Speaker 1: But right fast, you mentioned the Eagles on your squad.
34:30
Speaker 1: We talked about the Eagles on here. I feel like
34:32
Speaker 1: they're last year's Chiefs. It feels like this is they're
34:36
Speaker 1: getting it done, but something don't quite feel right. And
34:39
Speaker 1: what I want to ask you about specifically, and I
34:40
Speaker 1: think people lost sight of this. 2,000 yards and 2,000
34:44
Speaker 1: yards worth of carries, especially at that age. I think
34:49
Speaker 1: that people lose sight of the fact that this is
34:51
Speaker 1: year nine or year eight for Saquon Barkley. I don't
34:56
Speaker 1: know how good they're going to be as the year
34:59
Speaker 1: goes on. And that is before we start talking about A.J. Brown,
35:02
Speaker 1: you know, feeling like he in jail.
35:05
Speaker 2: Right. I would say not only the Saquon Barkley right
35:08
Speaker 2: now look like a running back who had over 500
35:10
Speaker 2: touches in a calendar year. Right. You're talking about a
35:13
Speaker 2: 35 year old Lane Johnson who has had to leave
35:15
Speaker 2: two games so far this year. And when he's not
35:18
Speaker 2: in the game, their run game is not the same.
35:20
Speaker 2: And they've all they've lost Makai Becton, who was their
35:23
Speaker 2: body mover on the interior. Landon Dickerson is always hurt.
35:26
Speaker 2: They look like a team that just played in the
35:28
Speaker 2: February and have to turn right back around. And they're
35:31
Speaker 2: dealing with one of the toughest schedules in the NFL
35:33
Speaker 2: right now. I think that they're OK because they do
35:36
Speaker 2: remind me so much of Kansas City last year. where
35:40
Speaker 2: they seem to kind of have a certain wit about them.
35:42
Speaker 2: They don't necessarily lose their composure in these key moments.
35:46
Speaker 2: If you're asking me, though, if they've got to see
35:48
Speaker 2: the Rams again, do I trust it? No, right? Because
35:51
Speaker 2: that means Jalen Hurts versus Matthew Stafford, and I don't
35:53
Speaker 2: trust that in a key situation.
35:55
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting that you say that because I do.
35:59
Speaker 1: I'm a Hertz skeptic. I'm a Hertz and Sirianni skeptic.
36:01
Speaker 1: They've won a Super Bowl. And I'm like, yeah, well,
36:04
Speaker 1: you know, like, am I being wrong about being a hater?
36:06
Speaker 1: That's OK. I am fascinated by the Stafford career art
36:10
Speaker 1: where we talk about the long. We this dude seems
36:13
Speaker 1: to get better every year and we're in year 17.
36:16
Speaker 3: But.
36:18
Speaker 1: I have always compared him to Carson Palmer and not
36:21
Speaker 1: necessarily in a bad way, right? Like they are very
36:24
Speaker 1: prototypically talented quarterbacks who to this day will still give
36:28
Speaker 1: you a chance to win it. If you can hold
36:30
Speaker 1: on to that heater that he's going to throw directly
36:32
Speaker 1: into your chest that you're not expecting because you can't
36:34
Speaker 1: believe that he's throwing that ball directly into your chest. However,
36:38
Speaker 1: free at last, free at last, Devontae Adams is free
36:42
Speaker 1: at last down there catching balls from Matthew Stafford and
36:45
Speaker 1: he's not their best receiver.
36:47
Speaker 2: Right. I think that and this is this is a
36:49
Speaker 2: big reminder for me and all the preseason stuff where
36:52
Speaker 2: everybody's so hot on the Rams.
36:53
Speaker 1: Right.
36:53
Speaker 2: They're going to be the next contender out of the NFC.
36:56
Speaker 2: I think it's very easy to lose sight of the fact,
36:58
Speaker 2: to your point, December was so bad for them going
37:01
Speaker 2: into the playoffs that Matthew Stafford basically had to take
37:04
Speaker 2: week 18 off. Right. Sean McVay had to sit this
37:07
Speaker 2: guy down and be like, hey, old man, I think
37:09
Speaker 2: you need to get your mind and your body right
37:10
Speaker 2: before you show back up to work. All right. Because
37:14
Speaker 2: you're tripping right now. We're tripping right now. And then
37:17
Speaker 2: you think about the back injury and the fact that
37:19
Speaker 2: he's taking a bunch of pressure. Right. Like you look
37:21
Speaker 2: at how often he's been sacked or knocked down. It's
37:23
Speaker 2: in that top 10 rate.
37:25
Speaker 1: Right.
37:25
Speaker 2: You're talking about taking a Justin Herbert level beating in
37:28
Speaker 2: the pocket for a guy who is 10 years older
37:30
Speaker 2: than Justin Herbert and already has a bad back and
37:33
Speaker 2: has had one for decades. What, the last five, six
37:35
Speaker 2: years now? While it's looked great this regular season and
37:38
Speaker 2: while it looked great last postseason, this is a guy
37:41
Speaker 2: similar to Tony Romo at the end of his career
37:44
Speaker 2: every time he falls down. I'm holding my breath thinking
37:47
Speaker 2: about how this excellent quarterback towards the later stages of
37:50
Speaker 2: his career is going to go down and not get
37:52
Speaker 2: back up. And I know Rams fans may not want
37:54
Speaker 2: to hear that. And if they can keep him healthy
37:56
Speaker 2: into the postseason, I do think that they can win
37:58
Speaker 2: because Sean McVay seems to know when to turn Stafford
38:01
Speaker 2: up and when to turn him down. As a quarterback,
38:04
Speaker 2: I just have a hard time trusting a guy that
38:06
Speaker 2: is as old as he is and taking the beating
38:09
Speaker 2: that he has in spite of how good he's looked
38:11
Speaker 2: so far this regular season.
38:13
Speaker 1: Speaking of taking a beating, what week do you think
38:14
Speaker 1: Puka is going to get hurt? Oh, man, that could
38:17
Speaker 1: happen on the very next target.
38:19
Speaker 2: We were talking about guys who go over the middle.
38:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, man, I need you to know that
38:24
Speaker 2: sometimes it's okay to catch the ball and just take
38:26
Speaker 2: the first down. That extra three yards you fighting for
38:29
Speaker 2: ain't always worth it, buddy. And you haven't gotten your
38:31
Speaker 2: second contract yet. Let's get the guaranteed money up before
38:35
Speaker 2: we start risking our body over the middle of the field.
38:38
Speaker 2: I don't trust him not getting hurt. Devontae Adams is
38:41
Speaker 2: up there in age, and he's been banged up before.
38:43
Speaker 2: And then you got old bad back Stafford. So been
38:46
Speaker 2: good for now. Let's see once we get to like
38:49
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving weekend how this team actually looks.
38:51
Speaker 1: And let me ask you this about the Eagles while
38:53
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. And somebody mentioned this in the
38:55
Speaker 1: YouTube comments on Monday where we talk about like. with
38:59
Speaker 1: these cats out here wearing these expensive chains, back in
39:01
Speaker 1: the day, it'd have been one player whose name would
39:03
Speaker 1: have been the chain snatcher. It'd have just been some
39:05
Speaker 1: or some bitch, middle linebacker, Jack Lambert, Dick Buckus, Ray
39:10
Speaker 1: Lewis type, that's just going to be snatching chains and
39:13
Speaker 1: not giving them back either. Like keeping them in a
39:15
Speaker 1: bag on the sideline, just got a collection of chains.
39:19
Speaker 1: How do we get this idea to Jalen Carter? Because
39:22
Speaker 1: I feel like he is your throwback, mean some bitch.
39:27
Speaker 1: We ain't really had too many of them out there.
39:29
Speaker 1: He is the chain snatcher.
39:30
Speaker 2: I was just watching a clip of I think it
39:32
Speaker 2: was Deacon Jones. talking about how he would approach playing football, right?
39:36
Speaker 2: And you talk about somebody being mean but could do
39:39
Speaker 2: it with a smile on their face. That's what I
39:41
Speaker 2: see in Jalen Carter. And I think that's the scariest
39:43
Speaker 2: guy you could have on the defensive line. It's one
39:45
Speaker 2: thing to be Aaron Donald, right, who is just, if
39:48
Speaker 2: you're at 10, he's at 15. If you're at 15,
39:50
Speaker 2: he's going to be at a 50. Right. And you
39:53
Speaker 2: just know he's angry walking in the door with Jalen
39:55
Speaker 2: Carter is when he's one of those guys that you
39:58
Speaker 2: laughing because you think he's joking and you take two
40:00
Speaker 2: steps away from that conversation. You say, hey, wait a minute, motherfucker.
40:04
Speaker 2: You don't get to talk to me like that. And
40:07
Speaker 2: now and then we're off from there.
40:09
Speaker 3: Right.
40:09
Speaker 2: And the fact that he took, you know, you had
40:11
Speaker 2: Jared versus eight chain. I think that if there were
40:14
Speaker 2: offensive linemen who wore them, tackles and guards would be
40:17
Speaker 2: getting them snatched left and right. I don't think that
40:19
Speaker 2: that's a guy who– he clearly don't mind losing an
40:21
Speaker 2: opportunity to play in a game over something that he
40:24
Speaker 2: perceives as a slight, given how he reacted to Dak
40:26
Speaker 2: Prescott spitting. And that's a guy I think that, you know,
40:29
Speaker 2: you see him picking running backs up in the backfield
40:32
Speaker 2: and playing around, and that's the way that he's been
40:34
Speaker 2: since Georgia. We are definitely going to get one of
40:36
Speaker 2: the moments where a whole game has to stop because
40:38
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter decided– That guard, that guard, that tackle, and
40:41
Speaker 2: that center can all get it at the same time.
40:44
Speaker 1: I just love Howie Roseman. Like, yeah, we're going to
40:46
Speaker 1: go shopping at Georgia, see what they got that we
40:48
Speaker 1: can pick up. You guys want anything from Georgia? We're
40:51
Speaker 1: just going to go get all the Georgia guys we can.
40:53
Speaker 1: Then after that, we'll worry about the rest later.
40:56
Speaker 2: Look, top shelf to what's in the well. Whatever you
40:59
Speaker 2: got to offer, I'm drinking it. I am brand dedicated.
41:05
Speaker 2: If you come with that sticker on your helmet, I
41:07
Speaker 2: want you. It don't matter what else is going on here.
41:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, like tell me more. Tell me more.
41:11
Speaker 2: Like, oh, okay.
41:12
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, I hear you.
41:13
Speaker 2: I hear you.
41:14
Speaker 1: I had mentioned America's team, Detroit Lions. It looked bad
41:17
Speaker 1: week one. And I was just like, okay, there's no
41:19
Speaker 1: push up the middle. This is terrifying. And then since then,
41:21
Speaker 1: they've been the best team in the NFL. And like,
41:24
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't. It's still how far
41:28
Speaker 1: you think you can go with Jared Goff. And the
41:30
Speaker 1: answer is I've seen a team go to the Super
41:32
Speaker 1: Bowl with Jared Goff. I can't pretend like you can't
41:34
Speaker 1: do that with him. But they look good, Jack.
41:38
Speaker 2: They look great. And Goff is playing as well, if
41:40
Speaker 2: not better than he has, not just in his time
41:43
Speaker 2: in Detroit, but since that 2018 year with Sean McVay
41:46
Speaker 2: and the Rams. And I struggle with trying to figure
41:49
Speaker 2: out what to do with the guy like that because
41:51
Speaker 2: he's another one similar to Darnold, similar to some of
41:53
Speaker 2: those guys that we talk about. You land in the
41:55
Speaker 2: fourth quarter chasing 10 points and you got to put
41:58
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands and say, hey, dude, about
42:00
Speaker 2: to be 15 straight dropbacks. You got to get us
42:01
Speaker 2: back in the football game. At least two or three
42:04
Speaker 2: of them throws is about to land in a quarterback's chest.
42:07
Speaker 3: Right.
42:07
Speaker 2: But I do I do believe that the infrastructure there
42:11
Speaker 2: is so healthy. I do 100 percent believe in Dan Campbell,
42:14
Speaker 2: crazy as it is being the meathead that he is
42:16
Speaker 2: as a head coach. just seems to have a grip
42:19
Speaker 2: on that team's emotional fortitude, which is not something that
42:23
Speaker 2: I would readily associate with a guy like Dan Campbell.
42:26
Speaker 2: So it's been a trip, but they are clearly still
42:28
Speaker 2: one of the three best.
42:29
Speaker 1: Teams in the league. The 2015 version of me, or
42:32
Speaker 1: maybe it was 2014, whatever year it was that he
42:35
Speaker 1: was the interim coach of the Dolphins, has never been
42:38
Speaker 1: more wrong about what somebody actually turned out to be,
42:42
Speaker 1: as I have been about Dan Campbell.
42:44
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you saw the hard
42:46
Speaker 2: knocks clip where he was in the middle of the
42:48
Speaker 2: huddle crying, not because something traumatic happened, but because he
42:52
Speaker 2: was trying to explain why tackling at practice was so important.
42:56
Speaker 2: This is a guy brought to tears, I think, just
42:58
Speaker 2: by the thought of playing football. Maybe that is what
43:02
Speaker 2: resonates with guys. And I think that maybe it's been
43:05
Speaker 2: overstated over the last decade or so. as we brought
43:08
Speaker 2: in more of the pencil pusher archetypes into sports, right?
43:11
Speaker 2: Where we think, oh, you know, the biggest thinkers and
43:14
Speaker 2: the guys who design it best, those are the guys
43:16
Speaker 2: who are going to lead us forward. Sometimes you do
43:18
Speaker 2: need somebody who with tears in their eyes will grab
43:21
Speaker 2: you by your shoulder pads, MF you for the next
43:23
Speaker 2: 30 seconds, and then clutch you up to give you
43:26
Speaker 2: the biggest hug you've ever had in your life. It
43:28
Speaker 2: seems to work. It seems to resonate with guys like that.
43:31
Speaker 2: And the players on their team outside of golf all seem,
43:33
Speaker 2: I think, to be personified by that exact same mentality.
43:38
Speaker 1: But they also execute very specifically, right? Because when you
43:41
Speaker 1: think about somebody like that, we think about that, like,
43:44
Speaker 1: play like your hair is on fire sort of situation.
43:47
Speaker 1: But no, like watching that running game, like week one,
43:49
Speaker 1: that was the thing, was like, man, they can't run
43:51
Speaker 1: the ball at all. It looked like Ben Johnson never left,
43:54
Speaker 1: which tells me that the offensive coordinator actually might be
43:59
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell.
44:01
Speaker 2: There's a reason why he picked him out, right? Dan
44:03
Speaker 2: Campbell could have gone after Anthony Lynn got let go.
44:06
Speaker 2: He could have gone in any old direction. He looked
44:08
Speaker 2: at Ben Johnson specifically and said, not only do you
44:11
Speaker 2: know what I'm looking for, he was probably the guy
44:13
Speaker 2: that he was thinking, if I tell him we need
44:16
Speaker 2: to go smash a team in the mouth 25 times
44:19
Speaker 2: on Sunday, he's going to do what I ask him
44:21
Speaker 2: to do. And I think the same thing is happening
44:23
Speaker 2: with John Morton, who does not have the most prestigious
44:26
Speaker 2: resume coming into this gig. I think that that's another
44:29
Speaker 2: guy that he identified and said he's made up some
44:32
Speaker 2: of the same stuff I'm made up with and what
44:33
Speaker 2: he don't have that makes Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell, Dan
44:36
Speaker 2: Campbell can feed it through him. And I think that
44:38
Speaker 2: he is ultimately the visionary that makes this offense go.
44:41
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more thing. Uh, while I'm
44:43
Speaker 1: thinking about it, um, the dolphins one, they are now
44:47
Speaker 1: one in three, very good for them that they are
44:49
Speaker 1: one in three anyway. Well, we, you think it's going
44:52
Speaker 1: to be Tyreek Hill. Ain't got no leg no more. Um,
44:56
Speaker 1: This does not feel like many victories are coming down
44:59
Speaker 1: the pike for them boys down there.
45:01
Speaker 2: Look, when I saw Mike McDaniel looking frozen on the sideline,
45:04
Speaker 2: I think in week two, I was like, hey, man,
45:07
Speaker 2: that looks like a guy. that if you don't fire
45:09
Speaker 2: him by Tuesday, he just might not show up to work.
45:12
Speaker 2: And you see him at these press conferences, and he
45:14
Speaker 2: is totally flummoxed by a very simple line of questioning
45:18
Speaker 2: at times. I think just on Monday, he might have
45:20
Speaker 2: been doing a sideline interview, and I'm watching him kind
45:23
Speaker 2: of stammer through an answer. And I don't want to
45:26
Speaker 2: make too much of how he's responding to questions, but
45:28
Speaker 2: that's just not the guy that we were looking at
45:31
Speaker 2: four years ago. Four years ago, this is a dude
45:33
Speaker 2: who was very bright eyed. I'm the guy who designed this,
45:37
Speaker 2: you know, creative run game for Kyle Shanahan and that offense.
45:40
Speaker 2: I know how to make it work with Tua Tunga-Vailoa.
45:43
Speaker 2: That's not the guy we're seeing on the sideline right now.
45:45
Speaker 2: That looks like a guy who understands I might not
45:48
Speaker 2: have it no more. And now that he don't have
45:50
Speaker 2: the best receiver that you could possibly have for this offense,
45:54
Speaker 2: I expect that this thing is probably going to go
45:55
Speaker 2: careening off the road pretty quickly.
45:57
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, and no shade to our brother, Mike McDaniel.
46:03
Speaker 1: He fits in line with the pencil-pushing archetype that you discussed. Now,
46:07
Speaker 1: this dude that played college football, he's been around the game.
46:10
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that as a slight, but I do
46:12
Speaker 1: think he's a big brain. He's there to be a
46:15
Speaker 1: big brain, and I don't feel like that guy has
46:19
Speaker 1: a second play. If my excellent strategy isn't working, I
46:26
Speaker 1: don't know what card he's got after that.
46:28
Speaker 2: We saw that last year, right? In the second half
46:30
Speaker 2: of the season, they were winning games. And I think
46:32
Speaker 2: it's easy to forget because of that. And I think
46:35
Speaker 2: the schedule was really light as they were winning games too.
46:37
Speaker 2: But when they were playing Buffalo, I think it was
46:39
Speaker 2: like the first Thursday night game of the season last year.
46:41
Speaker 2: You're looking up and it's like, oh, Buffalo, who also
46:44
Speaker 2: kind of has a defense that struggles with being physical,
46:46
Speaker 2: is punching this offense in the mouth. And Mike McDaniel
46:48
Speaker 2: does not have a counter for that. And it has
46:51
Speaker 2: come up time and time again. The Kansas City game
46:53
Speaker 2: in the playoffs a few years ago was defined by that.
46:57
Speaker 2: And this team, I think, has just been built with
46:58
Speaker 2: that in mind, and they have never addressed it by player.
47:02
Speaker 2: And you look at their style of play, it's beautiful
47:04
Speaker 2: when Devon A-Chain is out there in the flat, you know,
47:07
Speaker 2: making guys miss and getting a bunch of yards after catch.
47:10
Speaker 2: It's beautiful when Jalen Waddell is running those deep post
47:12
Speaker 2: routes into a wide open middle of the field. But
47:15
Speaker 2: when a defense shows up and says, yeah, oh, that's beautiful,
47:18
Speaker 2: but you, Mr. Tua, we're going to hit you a
47:21
Speaker 2: whole bunch. I don't think that Mike McDaniel or Tua Tungvalu,
47:24
Speaker 2: for that matter, have had a great response for it.
47:26
Speaker 2: And I think that it shows up in a lot
47:28
Speaker 2: of ways on and off the field if you look
47:30
Speaker 2: at their demeanor and the way that they react when
47:32
Speaker 2: they're playing top competition.
47:34
Speaker 1: By the way, you just mentioned it before we go.
47:37
Speaker 1: As good as Buffalo has looked, you're not winning this
47:40
Speaker 1: whole thing when anybody can run the ball against you.
47:43
Speaker 1: Like three or four games in January or February when
47:48
Speaker 1: it's y'all are Burger Kings when it's time to run
47:52
Speaker 1: the ball. Ooh, I don't see that.
47:56
Speaker 2: And it ain't for lack of trying. Every offseason, I
47:58
Speaker 2: feel like they're bringing in more veteran defensive linemen who
48:01
Speaker 2: are supposed to be these gap-plugging, run-stopping guys, and it
48:05
Speaker 2: has not made a single difference. I was told it
48:07
Speaker 2: was going to be fixed when Matt Milano got healthy
48:09
Speaker 2: last year. Didn't get fixed then. I've been told it's
48:12
Speaker 2: going to be better once their defensive backfield gets healthy
48:14
Speaker 2: and they can play closer to the line of scrimmage
48:17
Speaker 2: and do more man coverage stuff, and it hasn't been
48:19
Speaker 2: helped then. The best that any run game has looked
48:21
Speaker 2: this season is still that week one Sunday night game
48:25
Speaker 2: between Buffalo and Baltimore. where it looked like Derrick Henry
48:27
Speaker 2: was basically running on air half the time. And their safeties,
48:31
Speaker 2: Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, could have taken any angle they wanted,
48:34
Speaker 2: and they were not going to be fast enough to
48:35
Speaker 2: catch those guys. That's 100% going to be what keeps
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