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Pacman Jones & Brandon Marshall Talk NFL Softness, Pittsburgh Beef, Brand Monetization + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning.
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Speaker 1: Everybody is t j Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy.
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Speaker 1: On if you go pat Man Jones pac Man Man.
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Speaker 1: You know, damn Adam. I never heard him out of
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Speaker 1: my life. He's a podcaster now, you know, you just
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Speaker 1: never know. And we got random marks. What's up, guys?
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Speaker 1: What they do your podcaster? Now? Man, I don't know
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Speaker 1: where you get that. That's gracious back Man not pac Man.
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Speaker 1: You can't curse on this show now. I heard you
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Speaker 1: on the radio and Pitch Burns. You gotta tell me
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Speaker 1: that off the curse because like I'm I'm like driving
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Speaker 1: a car without a seat belt sometimes, so if I
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Speaker 1: need to put my seatbelt on just left you could. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're not live, We're not you would live in Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: That's why it was. You called me right after talking
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Speaker 1: about Man. They ain't tell with me, bro. They cut
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Speaker 1: me off. That cut me off and didn't call me up.
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Speaker 1: And that was legendary. It's like a two hundred fifty
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Speaker 1: dollars fun depending on what word it is. Depending on
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Speaker 1: the word, Well, it was eat you can say that
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Speaker 1: it was eat shit, pick fuck pit. This is a
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Speaker 1: horrid fucking town. Eat ship. That's funny when you say
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Speaker 1: stuff like that because you're talking to the fans, I'm sure,
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Speaker 1: but it still is. But when you go there's probably
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Speaker 1: some dude that you know reps the city and like, man,
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Speaker 1: why do you say were a piece of your town? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Actually I haven't met that person because
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Speaker 1: everybody know where I was standing between Pittsburg and West
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Speaker 1: Virginia or Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. But every now and then
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Speaker 1: you're always gonna have some somebody that's got something to say.
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Speaker 1: But like, I'm not, I have nothing against the people
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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. I just don't like Pittsburgh, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. Like, she don't ask me to go to
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Speaker 1: the camp to see the stillers, I'm like, yo, hell no,
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Speaker 1: Like it would be against everything and and and that
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Speaker 1: I stand for to do that. That's just me personally.
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Speaker 1: He said, you want to play for Mike Tomland. One
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Speaker 1: time I said I would have played for Mike Tomlin.
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Speaker 1: But like you know, I don't have no problem with
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlan. Actually Mike Tomlin is one of them, my
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Speaker 1: good friends, I would say. As far as coaches coaching wise,
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Speaker 1: he actually hired Blank Stewart, who dad was my coach
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Speaker 1: in West Virginia who is also now the Special Team's
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Speaker 1: coach and Pittsburgh. But it just it's I can't do that, bro,
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Speaker 1: Like I guess the problem though, Like we watched these
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Speaker 1: games on Sunday. You see dudes beefing, But ninety five
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Speaker 1: ninety seven percent of the time when they walk in
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Speaker 1: the locker rooms over right, they could be out there
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Speaker 1: by the buses, families talking. You know. Oh yeah that
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Speaker 1: was nothing. So now you eat three years out dune
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Speaker 1: playing ball, he's still carrying this beef. Like, but that
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Speaker 1: was we got what did they do you that that
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Speaker 1: bad that you like? It was just it's not what
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Speaker 1: they did to me. It's what that I didn't get
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Speaker 1: to do to them. But like just imagine this, say
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Speaker 1: like say, like you where you from Queens Queens, right,
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Speaker 1: So let's just say you've been one of your your
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Speaker 1: buddies that you really didn't like. I was down in Brooklyn.
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Speaker 1: He's like, yo, man, I want you to come through
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Speaker 1: your birthday party here and started back and queens, whence
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Speaker 1: you come chilled me to everybody? You know? Get you
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Speaker 1: some interviews down, what would you say? You're my bro?
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Speaker 1: That shit don't add up, just don't add up. Like
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Speaker 1: and then, and my point the Brandon is, while I
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Speaker 1: put myself in a situation where I might have to
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Speaker 1: take the seatbelt off, you get what I'm saying. But
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Speaker 1: I would not ask for him, not the whole Brooklyn.
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Speaker 1: He just like, I'm not going to be like Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: and Rocket Label, and I'm not getting paid to go
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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. You will not see Adam Jones with Brandon
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Speaker 1: loves loved the little shitty town. But like, I'm from
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh from the only reason. But like, there's no reason
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Speaker 1: for not about to go there. You wouldn't go there
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Speaker 1: unless you get paid. So you're telling me that, So
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Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? Black and
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Speaker 1: Yellow comes on in the club or on the radio?
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Speaker 1: You know, I ain't that personal now, I'm I'm into music,
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Speaker 1: so okay the music player itself or I just ain't
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Speaker 1: into nothing with Pittsburgh when they come to sport chilling
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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. I mean that ain't Jones any other city
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Speaker 1: you don't mess with like that. No, Pittsburgh might be
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Speaker 1: the only one. What they say that's not pe Hey,
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Speaker 1: I will say the packman. You don't get enough credit
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Speaker 1: for how you grown because there was a time when
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Speaker 1: you was in the news all the time for something
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Speaker 1: like so why do why do you feel like people
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Speaker 1: only they whish about your success with want to scream
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Speaker 1: your failures? You know, but because certain shit sales And
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Speaker 1: at the time when I was if media would have
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Speaker 1: been what it is today, I would have came out
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Speaker 1: and talked about every situation, just because it's it's more
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Speaker 1: open than now that we have a voice. En be
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Speaker 1: that a little bit because the fact that players can
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Speaker 1: say what's on their mind and it gets out fast
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Speaker 1: and they gotta be polite and nice. I actually like
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Speaker 1: it because I'm one of those guys like even with
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Speaker 1: my wife. With my wife, we have like physical frustration,
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Speaker 1: like get your shit off your chest, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, and after thirty minutes we'll move on. But
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Speaker 1: I don't want you bullshitting all day and being mad
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Speaker 1: all day because you wanted to tell me something thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes ago about the way I said something that. But
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Speaker 1: if I had this media what they had right now,
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Speaker 1: I would have had a chance to speak about everything.
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Speaker 1: You gotta realize. When we was up on the shield,
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Speaker 1: it was hot us. It's like, yo, you can't tweak this. Yo,
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Speaker 1: you can't say nothing after the game. Um, if you
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Speaker 1: say this, you're getting fine. And our finds were really big,
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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about new finds that they find on radio.
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Speaker 1: They find them saying two fifties in the locker room.
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Speaker 1: But it come out of my check. You give what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying when I choose to go against the rules
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Speaker 1: or say something crazy that might catch a clip on
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Speaker 1: all of the New Channel. Actually, when I cutched out
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Speaker 1: Jerry Porter for the for the playoffs game, I got
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Speaker 1: fined like one hundred and fifty for that fight for
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Speaker 1: that rent, and they end up giving me half of
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Speaker 1: it back afterwards because it was just insane that he
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Speaker 1: was on the field. But like, yeah, if I could
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Speaker 1: have really just went on my podcast or went on
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Speaker 1: our platform right after the game, oh probably had two
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Speaker 1: three million people you know what I mean, watching us
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Speaker 1: subscribing just from that moment. And that's the different difference
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Speaker 1: from these younger guys that have the platform these days.
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Speaker 1: People watching it, you know what I mean. So if
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Speaker 1: you're saying the right thing at the right time, you
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Speaker 1: can go and get you three four people to watch
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Speaker 1: what you say. It's a little bit more easier. Brandon
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Speaker 1: expound on that why it's important for athletes to have
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Speaker 1: control of their own natives, like y'all do nothing because
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Speaker 1: it's a business, point blank period. You know. Um, you
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Speaker 1: got to think about every how we get paid is
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Speaker 1: because of the TV deals, right, you see these They
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Speaker 1: just expanded the college football playoffs from eight to twelve.
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Speaker 1: That's that's a difference in two billion dollars, damn right.
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Speaker 1: So it's all about eyeballs. So pack where he talking about.
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Speaker 1: You can go out there and some of these young
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Speaker 1: guys in high school, college, if they're in the right
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Speaker 1: place at the right time, say the right thing, do
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Speaker 1: the right thing, they could get to a million followers.
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Speaker 1: They can get to a million subscribers. You know, you
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Speaker 1: guys notice in the game podcasting or radio. That's what
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Speaker 1: it's all about. Now, how do you monetize that that platform?
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Speaker 1: How do you monetize that those followers? So we don't
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Speaker 1: need to go to ESPN anymore. We don't need to
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Speaker 1: go to FS one anymore. We got our own platform,
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Speaker 1: we got our own distribution. It's fucking YouTube, it's Instagram,
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Speaker 1: it's tickto Hawk, right, So now it's about do you
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Speaker 1: have the foundation? Do you understand the best business practices
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Speaker 1: to build on top of that? UM, I recommend all
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Speaker 1: all every guy out there start their own YouTube channel.
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Speaker 1: I recommend every guy out there don't take the Nike
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Speaker 1: deal if they not offering millions of dollars, because they're not.
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Speaker 1: There's only a handful of basketball players really making money
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Speaker 1: off the field. Off the court. There's only a handful
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Speaker 1: of football players making millions of dollars off the field.
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Speaker 1: So go start your own brand and your own platform.
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Speaker 1: You have a moment in the game. You got guys
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Speaker 1: making three hundred thousand after the game on a T shirt.
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Speaker 1: D Now that's real. Like Das Brand made probably over
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Speaker 1: ten million dollars on his X throw up the X.
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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman playing and with the Patriots made over ten
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Speaker 1: million dollars with his T shirt line. Right, why would
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Speaker 1: you go take that hundred thousand dollars Nike deal? I
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Speaker 1: was gonna ask, you know, the game has changing so
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Speaker 1: much since you guys play football. Do you look at
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Speaker 1: the game as a lot softer? Now? What do you
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Speaker 1: think shits so soft? Now? Like we was talking the
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Speaker 1: other day on who I was talking to, but like
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Speaker 1: the only thing that you're allowed to do right now,
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Speaker 1: I think of what he was on the show, it's
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Speaker 1: cut block. We know that clock. So like you you
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Speaker 1: you running to me? You you you Derell Reevers. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm wide receiver and I come cut you in your knees,
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Speaker 1: just diving your knees. No, no, no, no no. So
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Speaker 1: the offense can do a certain situation, suation. It's a
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Speaker 1: correct talks was sweet, like toss it to the running back,
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Speaker 1: big ass tackle that come around and say, my little
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Speaker 1: ass is coming up. He can go and cut me.
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Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. That's probably the only thing
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Speaker 1: that haven't changed. But everything else, shit, you can't even
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Speaker 1: hear them. Motherfucker. You gotta make sure you watching how
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Speaker 1: like it? And that makes you say you like it?
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Speaker 1: But you know you coming somebody coming at you full
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Speaker 1: steam ahead, right and now he got to watch how
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Speaker 1: he hits you. So he gotta make sure he doesn't
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Speaker 1: hit you in a certain way where you could be
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Speaker 1: going down he could be going down. But if it's
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Speaker 1: how with the helmet did he get a penalty? He
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Speaker 1: get a fun I don't like it because, first of all,
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Speaker 1: it's making me think too much. And when you start thinking,
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Speaker 1: you get hurt. You start ducking your head, you start
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Speaker 1: putting your head in different places. Brandon's offensive got here.
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Speaker 1: Don't like get hit me. I like to wait, folks,
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Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. If I can't, you're
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Speaker 1: not looking, I can get your ass, know what I'm saying. So, um,
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Speaker 1: I like it the old school way. I don't like
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Speaker 1: the the key personal files. If you if he looked
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Speaker 1: like he hit them hard, he already thrown out the game. Like,
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Speaker 1: it's got to get to a certain point where we
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Speaker 1: get some consistency of it so it can look right.
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Speaker 1: It don't even look right right now, and you can't
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Speaker 1: celebrate anymore. Right, you celebrate, you get a flag. No,
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Speaker 1: it's different now with the celebration. It used to be
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Speaker 1: like that, but now because they are they're embracing us.
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Speaker 1: They're embracing or flare or fashion, you know, all of
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Speaker 1: that stuff. They're letting us do more on the on
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Speaker 1: the field. Um, so they're doing more there. But to
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Speaker 1: his point, like I mean to what you what you
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Speaker 1: guys talking about earlier. I like it, man, because of health.
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Speaker 1: Like that's why I like it, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I had a situation where I went to crackback a
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Speaker 1: guy and I hit him so hard he was out
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Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. And after that, and I
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Speaker 1: was my second year in the league. I played thirteen
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Speaker 1: years after I said, I don't need to do that.
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Speaker 1: As long as I get in position to make the block,
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Speaker 1: my guy get where he needs to go. I get
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Speaker 1: where where what I need out of it. I ain't
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Speaker 1: gonna be hurt. He ain't gonna be hurt. I'm good,
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Speaker 1: right because now when you see these some of these
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Speaker 1: dudes like he lucky, he played thirteen years too. He lucky.
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Speaker 1: How you walking around this he can still glate, he
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Speaker 1: can still play. But some of these dudes walking around
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Speaker 1: they look terrible. They're in bad shape. Man. So I
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Speaker 1: think the game is getting better because it's getting they're
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Speaker 1: protecting certain parts of the game. When it comes come
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Speaker 1: to the physical and pact. Man, he played for a
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Speaker 1: long time. I broke my neck. Though I see three four,
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Speaker 1: I'll paralyzed. So like, I gotta think about that, think
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Speaker 1: about that, but think about that. That's my plot and
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Speaker 1: what they say, let's take the hit up again. That's
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Speaker 1: basically what they're talking about that Brotta. See that's old
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Speaker 1: school thinking and that's what that's that's what how we
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Speaker 1: came up. It's like, that's how you play the game.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just dying out. Yeah you know, but some
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Speaker 1: people just don't like change. He just don't like change.
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Speaker 1: Oh my change. But the game should be that intense level,
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Speaker 1: like it's the field with your neck broke. Horrible. It
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Speaker 1: was horrible. I'm sitting the screen like fuck, like, bro
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Speaker 1: what the hell around? I'm like, bro, I cannot move up.
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Speaker 1: They thought I was joking. I wasn't joking. Fucking Muff
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Speaker 1: the pump punt and James Harrison, y'all know how I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna hit me on the top of my head. Now,
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Speaker 1: that was a dirty play. That's why all life is burth.
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Speaker 1: So when I got hit on the top of my head,
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Speaker 1: I was down for like six minutes. I'm sitting I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh shit, I can't feel nothing looking up. My boy
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Speaker 1: played with Pittsburgh who went in high school me caring,
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Speaker 1: fox loves loving the deal, save my life actually, and
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Speaker 1: dumb like pack you better fair catch the ball? Why
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Speaker 1: are we gonna kill you out here? And I'm looking up,
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Speaker 1: I'm still PARALYSI man, fuck you out like man, you
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Speaker 1: hurt for me? I'm like, yeah, fool, it's a funny
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Speaker 1: story of vtelling. So anyway, I end up getting off
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Speaker 1: the fielding, getting myself together, um, hand the surgeon, all
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Speaker 1: of that stuff. But you're good now. But like either
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Speaker 1: you're for the game or you're not for the game.
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Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, Like, there's so much other
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Speaker 1: stuff that you can do to get hurt, like this
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Speaker 1: shit he talking about. It's more people that's walking down
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Speaker 1: the street that's getting hit with bullets and cars and everything.
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Speaker 1: So me personally, I don't live my life with saying,
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Speaker 1: all right, we gotta take away all the unnecessary hiding
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Speaker 1: so the game can be safer. The game still is
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Speaker 1: gonna be what it's gonna be. You can't control certain
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Speaker 1: ways people get hit And I'm sorry, like it wasn't
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Speaker 1: James Harrison fault because I'm off the punt and he
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Speaker 1: hit me and I'm paralyzes. What was he supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: It's been the same situation there we been somebody else,
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Speaker 1: I would have told their ass up too. Hey man, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I hope you are. How did save your life? You
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Speaker 1: said he saved your life? Oh well, fossils more of
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Speaker 1: my boys. His parents like adopted me when I was young,
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Speaker 1: Karen Fox. We were in the same high school together.
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Speaker 1: He ended up being drafted h third round a boy
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh got a Super Bowl ring. But like that's my
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Speaker 1: boy boy like um, because you know, we was in
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Speaker 1: the projects. His parents was pretty much well off. You know,
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Speaker 1: they had about forty acres um and they would come
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Speaker 1: get me, and they really that Fox didn't really show
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Speaker 1: me some different beside the hood. You know. It's always
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Speaker 1: That's what I'd be trying to do now as far
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Speaker 1: as kids in hood. Let me get y'all out of
14:48
Speaker 1: here and show y'all something different, because if you never
14:49
Speaker 1: get out of here and see nothing different than mindset
14:51
Speaker 1: is gonna keep your ass right here, right, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? And that was the best thing that
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Speaker 1: they could have did for me. Hey man, let me
14:57
Speaker 1: get you out of here and show you something else.
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Speaker 1: Should I ain't on thating else. I ain't never been nowhere.
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Speaker 1: I traveled playing football, basketball, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Go from the project, the school, school, the Florida, Florida, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: just playing sports, but it's far seeing different things. Ship
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Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. Man, my first time going to
15:17
Speaker 1: Lenix Mall is when I was twenty one years old.
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Speaker 1: I ain't never know, never even knew them by Lennis,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm a west side kid. I'm
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Speaker 1: over the Green brand Mall, west End Millennix. I ain't
15:27
Speaker 1: never heard of ship Boy, New Lenics. I ain't learned
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Speaker 1: about linings too. I was almost rich. Like I came home, Bro,
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Speaker 1: the end of my freshman year. My grandma was sick
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Speaker 1: and um um um Earl Callaway, which is a kid
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Speaker 1: who played with me. Dad had just got the church
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Speaker 1: that was by Lennix h Mall. So I go from
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Speaker 1: first of all, ship We ain't have no car. I
15:51
Speaker 1: ain't handle a car the time. So it's like forty
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Speaker 1: five minutes across across the way. I get up that
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Speaker 1: I'm liking him, and like, Bro, is this what money
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Speaker 1: really looked like like? Because that was my first time
16:04
Speaker 1: saying damn Valet parking shit you know what I mean, Uh,
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Speaker 1: sacks bro, I ain't no, no, damn sex filled for us.
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Speaker 1: You know, I know what foot locker. Yeah, but I
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Speaker 1: went and I was fresh, bess dress and all that.
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Speaker 1: But I knew how to put shit together that I
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Speaker 1: could put together. Now, shoes, I'm always gonna have the
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Speaker 1: best shoes. But like, as far as what did they
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Speaker 1: call these stores, designing, the designer stores, the LULUs and
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Speaker 1: all of these, I had no idea of none of that,
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Speaker 1: none of it. So so it just opened your mind
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Speaker 1: and was possible. I'm like, god, damn, it's crazy because
16:47
Speaker 1: this is what I want here, This is what I want. Yeah,
16:49
Speaker 1: but it's crazy because when you think about some of
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Speaker 1: our cities, right, like even Chicago when I was playing
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Speaker 1: for the Bears, there's some people live on the South
16:57
Speaker 1: side of Chicago, never been downtown, right. That's just real.
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Speaker 1: And it's about you know, exposure leads to expansion, you know,
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Speaker 1: when you start, when you start getting those certain environments,
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Speaker 1: it does open up your brain and open up your
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Speaker 1: mind and seeing what's real out there. That's why I
17:12
Speaker 1: mean people should always travel. But now you've got social media, right,
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Speaker 1: social media, Like, man, that person's doing that. I want
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Speaker 1: to see that. I want to do that. But that's
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Speaker 1: real though. Some people never even travel five miles to
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Speaker 1: the other side of the time. I was gonna ask,
17:24
Speaker 1: you know what, both of you playing football, would you
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Speaker 1: advise your family members or young kids to play football,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people say, nah, I would never
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Speaker 1: advise them. Yeah. Uh, this generation, I gotta, I gotta,
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Speaker 1: I got. I got nephews in high school right now,
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Speaker 1: and it's the last generation is playing football really right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just two weeks ago opening night high school football just
17:44
Speaker 1: started fourth quarter game on the line. They put them
17:47
Speaker 1: back there, he's he's he's him now, he's nice. Put
17:50
Speaker 1: them back their kickoff return. Boom, he takes off down
17:53
Speaker 1: the middle some like clean his clock bound him, come
17:56
Speaker 1: flying off, mouth bleed and blood all over the place
17:59
Speaker 1: out right, and and and look, I played the game violent,
18:03
Speaker 1: like so I'm sitting up here sounding soft compared to play. Yeah,
18:08
Speaker 1: I'm soft now though, but like you gotta think about that,
18:10
Speaker 1: like I'm out there with damn their tears in my
18:12
Speaker 1: like this is my this damn there, my son, right
18:15
Speaker 1: and it just hits a little differently because you only
18:17
Speaker 1: get one brain. You understand. So for me, that's the
18:20
Speaker 1: last generation. But it was already in a blood. They seen.
18:23
Speaker 1: They was in the dormitories with me when I was one,
18:26
Speaker 1: I mean when they was one, right, So I couldn't
18:28
Speaker 1: stop that. But my son he giving me hell right
18:31
Speaker 1: now he's seven, I got, I got twins. Then I
18:34
Speaker 1: got a three year old, and the three year olds
18:36
Speaker 1: a board, and then I got the boy girl twin in.
18:38
Speaker 1: The seven year old he given me hell. He wanted
18:40
Speaker 1: to play. But I'm like, son, man, we can play tennis, man,
18:42
Speaker 1: we can play other things. We can play basketball. But
18:46
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna see how that goes crazy. My
18:48
Speaker 1: son is my son is the same, my youngest son,
18:51
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't let him play tackles year. I let
18:52
Speaker 1: them play flag though, I say, he played flag, Let's
18:54
Speaker 1: see how you like it. Then would go from there,
18:56
Speaker 1: what about you? Oh my jumping off the points? Mine
19:01
Speaker 1: and my hospitable kids like but my kids, so of
19:07
Speaker 1: course everybody know about Chris, my best friend who passed
19:11
Speaker 1: withy Well, I adopted my best friends kids, which is
19:16
Speaker 1: little Chris the markets Insaney, which is us eighth grader,
19:22
Speaker 1: uh freshman. The freshman is the number one player in
19:24
Speaker 1: the country in Football World receiver and then money receiver
19:29
Speaker 1: six four West Claremont, Cincinnati. He really did, like like
19:34
Speaker 1: b was saying, yeah, yeah, he got it. He got him. Um,
19:38
Speaker 1: and you adopted all three of them. That's very honorable. Man. Yeah.
19:41
Speaker 1: My niece, um, she got all offer. She played basketball too.
19:45
Speaker 1: But my my youngest son is for little Junie, this
19:49
Speaker 1: little joker, like it's it's no way I could tell him, like, no,
19:52
Speaker 1: you can't play. I did the same thing I'm trying to,
19:55
Speaker 1: like just slowly but shoulder like all right, bro, gonna
19:59
Speaker 1: get the green light with tackle football. Um, last year
20:02
Speaker 1: three played flag. This year I'm gonna put them at
20:04
Speaker 1: flag again, and then next year I'll let them play tackle.
20:07
Speaker 1: And then I got two daughters, my oldest daughters in Atlanta,
20:10
Speaker 1: shil truck starting my youngest daughters here with me. But yeah, man,
20:13
Speaker 1: I let my daughter play flag too. My daughters play flag.
20:15
Speaker 1: They love it. Yeah, my nieces played flag. They love it.
20:18
Speaker 1: They played with the boys. They love it. They fast quick.
20:20
Speaker 1: It just ain't no money and that for them. But
20:22
Speaker 1: the scholarship scholarship, okay, yeah, they taking flag football series
20:27
Speaker 1: now for real. Yeah, in college. Yes, really, my Knie
20:31
Speaker 1: started playing last year. I said, keep going. Yeah, it's
20:33
Speaker 1: going to go to school for free. Yes, wow, yeah,
20:36
Speaker 1: you get a scholarship playing flag football. You gotta think
20:39
Speaker 1: about power. I didn't know that. You know, is that
20:43
Speaker 1: why you got into the mental health space? So heavy
20:45
Speaker 1: brand because you know you're talking about the physical aspects
20:47
Speaker 1: of football. But you know now we see the CT
20:49
Speaker 1: clearly had effect to it. Is that got you into it? No?
20:52
Speaker 1: I think football, um got me there faster and exposed
20:57
Speaker 1: it faster, right, I think a lot of us. I say,
21:00
Speaker 1: the ideology behind what we go through is environmental is upbringing.
21:05
Speaker 1: You know, like the shit that I was doing and saying,
21:08
Speaker 1: you go back to my neighborhood. My grandma act like that,
21:12
Speaker 1: my aunts act like that, the neighbors act like that. Right,
21:15
Speaker 1: So it's like you're a product of your environment. There's
21:17
Speaker 1: certain things out there, some people living with anxiety or
21:20
Speaker 1: depression that you know, those are real things. Um, you
21:24
Speaker 1: know in everybody's cases different. But for me, when you
21:28
Speaker 1: start making mistakes at that level, and now you got
21:32
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club talking about you, you're on ESPN, and and
21:35
Speaker 1: it it makes you. It does something to you when
21:39
Speaker 1: you sitting there literally watching that you could be around
21:41
Speaker 1: people and they talking about you. They got your mug
21:43
Speaker 1: shot up there right, So now you start looking yourself
21:46
Speaker 1: in the mirror just a little bit differently because now
21:49
Speaker 1: you got you know, millions of dollars on the line,
21:51
Speaker 1: you got you know, your legacy on the line, you
21:54
Speaker 1: got your own goals on the line. So what you're
21:56
Speaker 1: gonna do. Some dudes look in the mirror and they say,
21:58
Speaker 1: you know why, I'm a cantine go down the same
21:59
Speaker 1: path and they asked, don't got nothing? And it's over.
22:02
Speaker 1: Some dude say, you know what, I want to figure
22:04
Speaker 1: this out. So for me, I wanted to figure it
22:06
Speaker 1: out for so many different reasons in the league and
22:09
Speaker 1: it's and we were talking about this a little earlier,
22:11
Speaker 1: like there's so many things that we have available to us.
22:14
Speaker 1: But they made me go to get help and counseling.
22:18
Speaker 1: But it was like four or five years though, four
22:20
Speaker 1: or five years. One time I was talking to four
22:22
Speaker 1: or five different people. I was like, just got a
22:24
Speaker 1: d uy and they're like, oh, you got to talk
22:25
Speaker 1: to this substance abuse person. So now I'm talking to
22:27
Speaker 1: this person once a week. Then they talking to me,
22:29
Speaker 1: have me talking to this you already know how it is,
22:31
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't, So the first four years
22:36
Speaker 1: I didn't. And then when I got to the Miami Dolphins, right,
22:38
Speaker 1: and then I went to Ricky will I was like, damn,
22:40
Speaker 1: rick I was like, because I couldn't control you know,
22:43
Speaker 1: like how I talked, like you know, whatever I felt,
22:46
Speaker 1: I said, Right, fucking coach says something to do something dumb,
22:50
Speaker 1: like the fun we doing. So Ricky Williams, he just
22:53
Speaker 1: came out with the documentary thirty for thirty, Right, So
22:56
Speaker 1: soon as I got traded there, signed thisties of extension,
23:00
Speaker 1: forty seven million dollars deal. Right as soon as I
23:03
Speaker 1: touched down to Miami, he had this whole premiere and
23:06
Speaker 1: so we all go there and he was talking about
23:08
Speaker 1: mental health. Right. This is a dude that walked away
23:11
Speaker 1: from millions of dollars and went and lived in a
23:13
Speaker 1: tent in Australia, like what right? And then all of
23:17
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm seeing him now and he's a totally
23:19
Speaker 1: different cat. So you're watching this documentary than you seeing
23:22
Speaker 1: who Ricky william is today. Right fast forward to the season,
23:26
Speaker 1: terrible season, and I just couldn't control. I was like,
23:28
Speaker 1: I come in. I'm like, yo, you know, I ain't
23:30
Speaker 1: gonna say nothing. I know, coach gonna be on something terrible, something,
23:33
Speaker 1: some bullshit. Let me not say nothing, and then I
23:36
Speaker 1: would just boom say so. So I went to Rick
23:39
Speaker 1: one day. I was like, damn, Rick. I was like,
23:40
Speaker 1: do you think I'm by polar or something? You're right
23:43
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about his documentary. He said, na be,
23:46
Speaker 1: I don't think you by polar. I just think you
23:49
Speaker 1: say the things that we all want to say but
23:52
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. So I was like, show okay. So it's like,
23:57
Speaker 1: who's that dog that doctor Gunderson? Like you recommend I
23:59
Speaker 1: go talk to him. He's like, I don't know, man,
24:01
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, you just say the things
24:03
Speaker 1: that we all want to say and shouldn't say. So
24:06
Speaker 1: that offseason, I end up going to mcclainton Hospital in Waltham, Massachusetts,
24:11
Speaker 1: and I sat down and they walked me through. I
24:13
Speaker 1: did a clinical evaluation, a neurological evaluation. UM, I was
24:17
Speaker 1: in my mentalization therapies. I was up there for three
24:20
Speaker 1: months in an outpatient program, and you know I was outpatient. No,
24:26
Speaker 1: I had my own apartment, I move my whole team
24:28
Speaker 1: up to everything I had. Yeah, So so I get
24:32
Speaker 1: there and and right off top. I was diagnosed with
24:37
Speaker 1: borderline personalities or the best way he described as the
24:39
Speaker 1: emotional disorder. Can you regulate your emotions? Can you cope?
24:43
Speaker 1: Can you cope with what's going on? Do you have
24:45
Speaker 1: the skills and tools? So what happens is you go
24:49
Speaker 1: in these programs. Some people in patient, some people need medicine,
24:51
Speaker 1: some people outpatients. Some people was a mixture of both.
24:54
Speaker 1: For me. I was up there for three months in
24:55
Speaker 1: an outpatient program. I was in dialectical behavior therapy. Dialectical
24:59
Speaker 1: behavior your therapy is this group therapy that teaches you
25:02
Speaker 1: the skills and tools to be able to cope some
25:04
Speaker 1: people and a lot of us. And that's what I
25:06
Speaker 1: mean by environmental fucking shit's going on outside? Can you
25:10
Speaker 1: Can I look at you and say, bro, you hurt
25:11
Speaker 1: my feelings? Can I look at you and say, man like,
25:15
Speaker 1: let me just breathe, give me a second, let me
25:17
Speaker 1: go on the walk, and then I'm gonna come back
25:19
Speaker 1: and we can pick this up. No, what we do?
25:21
Speaker 1: We just respond right, we're reacted. I should let me
25:24
Speaker 1: say that not respond, We react, right, So that's what
25:28
Speaker 1: dialect to behavior therapy teach us. Then there's mentalization therapy.
25:31
Speaker 1: A lot of us is black and white. We just
25:33
Speaker 1: stuck in our ways. So it helps you with your ration. Now,
25:36
Speaker 1: help you process things. Then you got caged in behavior therapy.
25:40
Speaker 1: Then you got self assessment. Self assessment is just a
25:42
Speaker 1: group therapy. Were sitting around and just talk a lot
25:44
Speaker 1: of us don't even talk. Do you know how powerful
25:46
Speaker 1: that is? Just talking looking at you and saying it's
25:48
Speaker 1: what's going on in my life? Right? That was probably
25:50
Speaker 1: the most profound thing I've ever gone through. Forget mentalization therapy,
25:53
Speaker 1: cagingive behavior therapy or DBT. It was just sitting in
25:56
Speaker 1: self assessment listening to people talk. I love CBT, right,
26:02
Speaker 1: what about you back mane? Um I went through all
26:06
Speaker 1: of that was a little different. Um. My whole thing
26:14
Speaker 1: was the by polar thing and my mom was taking medicine.
26:17
Speaker 1: This is the fucking fucked up part about it. My
26:20
Speaker 1: mom had been taken by polar medicine for the last
26:26
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I think it never told me same't here
26:29
Speaker 1: my dad same Like I'm up in McClean house, fiddle
26:33
Speaker 1: and they said I'm by, I said, I ain't know.
26:35
Speaker 1: I ain't. They asked me anybody my family A boy
26:37
Speaker 1: polo like no, ain't nobody by polar My mom like, yeah,
26:40
Speaker 1: I've been taking this medicine since you was in the
26:44
Speaker 1: seven six ground. I'm my bro. Why I tell me,
26:53
Speaker 1: probably half of my life would have been a lot
26:55
Speaker 1: better if I knew that already fucked up. If I
27:00
Speaker 1: knew that I had something wrong and I can kind
27:03
Speaker 1: of grab it, you know what I mean, and get
27:05
Speaker 1: it under control, I think that I would have been
27:08
Speaker 1: ten times better than what I am right now, because
27:12
Speaker 1: all right, I know I have an issue, then I
27:14
Speaker 1: know what triggers it. You know what I mean. But
27:18
Speaker 1: if you don't know that, man, it's it's a lot
27:20
Speaker 1: of people that's from the hood and the NY City
27:24
Speaker 1: that parents are taking different meds and they're not telling
27:28
Speaker 1: their kids what they're taking. Already been diagnosed before I
27:33
Speaker 1: can say anything to any parent, man, be honest with
27:37
Speaker 1: your kids, open dialogue of any mental or any health
27:45
Speaker 1: diagnosis or situations that you have. Because it might not
27:49
Speaker 1: sound like a big thing, but shit lingers down. It's
27:54
Speaker 1: like almost eighty five percent if your parents got it
27:58
Speaker 1: you're gonna have. But but first, I think it starts
28:01
Speaker 1: with I mean there's a stigma around mental health, right,
28:04
Speaker 1: so first they don't feel comfortable sharing it with their
28:07
Speaker 1: children because they haven't accepted it. First, Right, Damn you're
28:12
Speaker 1: talking about I'm borderline, I'm a bipolar, I'm living with
28:16
Speaker 1: anxiety or depression. If I tell you, if I tell
28:19
Speaker 1: the world, like they're gonna look down on me. Right, So, like,
28:23
Speaker 1: I think it starts first. I think there are some
28:26
Speaker 1: parents out there that need to disclose that and talk
28:28
Speaker 1: about those things. But I think it really, really really
28:31
Speaker 1: stigmatizes people accepting that there's three hundred and twenty million
28:35
Speaker 1: Americans give or take a few, and fucking almost one
28:39
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty is living with something, right, And you
28:41
Speaker 1: don't even have to have a diagnosis to actually have
28:45
Speaker 1: your life be a living hell. Like you could just
28:48
Speaker 1: be dealing with stress. You could be just dealing with
28:50
Speaker 1: marital challenge. You could be dealing with just work problems.
28:52
Speaker 1: You just got laid off. What are you gonna do?
28:54
Speaker 1: How are you gonna cope with that? Right? You fellas
28:57
Speaker 1: got to go. So we gotta ask a couple of questions.
28:58
Speaker 1: Football season this ship. Yeah, well, you think it's gonna
29:01
Speaker 1: take it this year? Cowboys? Baby? How Boys did? Cowboys?
29:04
Speaker 1: He said that every year. I'm consistent. Do you really
29:08
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be the Eagles? Hell? I think I
29:11
Speaker 1: think the Eagle is gonna go to the Super Bowl.
29:13
Speaker 1: I think that the Super Bowl. I think the Eagles
29:16
Speaker 1: about the Bells. People are missaying the Bills. Eagles do
29:18
Speaker 1: look good, though. I think the Bills lose to my Bengals.
29:22
Speaker 1: M hmm. So he said, he said, your pick is
29:25
Speaker 1: the Eagles, Bengals, Super Bowl, Eagles, Bengers. Okay, okay, I'm
29:30
Speaker 1: gonna go with Russell Wilson, Uh, Denver Broncos. That's right. Yeah,
29:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with them Boys, and then I'm gonna
29:36
Speaker 1: go with uh damn. I'm gonna go with the Rams
29:38
Speaker 1: to go back. I really want Todd Bowls black head coach,
29:42
Speaker 1: head coach of the Jets for a while when I
29:44
Speaker 1: was playing. I want him to get his with Tom Brady.
29:47
Speaker 1: But but I think it's gonna be the Rams and
29:49
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Broncos. What do you think of
29:51
Speaker 1: Brady's decision to come back after retiring. I think you
29:53
Speaker 1: should have left I think it should have been a rap.
29:56
Speaker 1: You think it's gonna be like the Jordan when Jordan
29:58
Speaker 1: came back forty five. I want to see she should
30:01
Speaker 1: have left after the seventh ring. That's it going on top. Yeah,
30:05
Speaker 1: I felt like it was impulsive, felt like it was
30:07
Speaker 1: something deeper, you know what I'm saying, Like he always
30:10
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna play tillim forty five or this this
30:13
Speaker 1: age or whatever, and you know what it really was, bro,
30:15
Speaker 1: I know what it got home? He was wrong. I'm
30:27
Speaker 1: gonna be going for them days at this weekend, right, Yeah? No,
30:38
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's the first time. I mean
30:39
Speaker 1: we're trying to get in y'all lane, and you know
30:42
Speaker 1: what you guys been doing is legendary, right, Like you guys,
30:45
Speaker 1: you know, have this amazing place and culture and you
30:47
Speaker 1: know now you're saying athletes do it more. And I
30:50
Speaker 1: think the next step for us is to connect with
30:52
Speaker 1: our audience. So going live UM its special. How many
30:55
Speaker 1: times do we get texts and tweets where it's like, yo,
30:58
Speaker 1: I wish I was there? Can I come pull up
31:00
Speaker 1: on the show? Right, So this is an opportunity to
31:02
Speaker 1: do it. September tenth, we we're gonna make announcement. We
31:05
Speaker 1: got a couple of local, big time athletes come in
31:08
Speaker 1: and you know, an artist, so it's gonna be cool.
31:10
Speaker 1: Where is it. It's at City Winery. So it's at
31:13
Speaker 1: City City Winery. You go to City Citywinery dot com.
31:16
Speaker 1: You go to our Iron Athlete Instagram page, hit the
31:19
Speaker 1: link and everything is right there where you can get
31:22
Speaker 1: your seat. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be nice. Y'all gotta
31:27
Speaker 1: come back man and build some more wh y'all got
31:29
Speaker 1: some more time whenever you for sure? Associate Brandon Marshall's
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Speaker 1: pac Man Jones. It is the Breakfast Club. Good morning,