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Shia-Sunni Dawah Exposed (Ft. Hassan Qadri) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  Salaam alaikum, and welcome back to another episode on the
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  aftermath of podcast. Where today, I'm excited and
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  delighted to be joined by my co-host, as always every single
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  week of today's discussions, may be surprising, if any of you are
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  binge-watching Speakers Corner on YouTube or many of you are,
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  you know, looking around, listening to SUNY debate.
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  She either base everyone fighting one another, or more
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  importantly, where do we stand when we want to pursue true
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  knowledge and getting closer to Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala now
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  before I introduce today's guests.
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  It's on a welcome. My amazing co-host cement salaam
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  alaikum. Walaikum Salam.
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  How you doing? I'm good.
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  How are you not too bad? That's been happening.
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  What's the latest they just is enjoying the weather in London,
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  more Sunny. So we're making the most of them
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  and see ya Mindy, no pun intended, it's really, really
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  interesting topic. But before we get into the guys
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  just want to Thank you. Of course, for being so amazing
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  with us on social media online, on YouTube, on all the social
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  media platforms, the amount of Engagement we've had over the
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  last few weeks has been incredible since Shadow, modern
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  ended. And of course, we've been able
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  to ask you guys for questions for ideas, suggestions on
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  speakers on topics and something that's come up in the past is
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  and Charles is something we're talking about today.
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  And what does that say? You mentioned and that is, you
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  know, the theme is, for example, that were being out of control
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  as you know, we get Confused. You know I listen to eggs we
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  listen to why who sing the truth is misleading?
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  Us as I think, let's kick kick, start the conversation today.
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  By introducing, our amazing guest brother has a mother is
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  Salam aleikum walekum Salam years since I've sat beside you.
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  So Each day they grow they grow
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  they get older, don't miss that time was you know sometimes with
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  life you work so much busy with different things projects this
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  and that there's only so much you can give you know I believe
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  every human is born with a certain energy each day that
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  energy needs to be given to the most important things in your
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  life, you only have that energy. It's not you're never going to
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  have like extra. It's not like a charging point,
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  it doesn't work you way. Couple of a certain amount of
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  energy. It's not touches.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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  So you wake up and everything you have to give it Priority,
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  you have to wake up every day. And you think what is the most
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  important thing in my life family studies?
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  You have to work this a necessity and you give that
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  energy to these main three things.
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  If you have something else I did you give it a certain type of
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  energy and that's the way I try to, you know, balance my life.
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  That's a nice approach, of course, because we get bogged
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  down Lot of time in the rat race of life and at times when we
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  reflect and we sit down and we have that moment of reflection
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  which is why, of course, we understand that reflection is so
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  is I bother in itself, purely? Of course, because we understand
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  that, that that, that neutralization, that that really
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  understanding, that rekindling of oneself, brings you back to
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  reality, you know. Of course, when we like you
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  said, hasn't if you don't mind me calling you.
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  Yeah. It's it with is very easy for us
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  like you said to get bogged down in these things and we lose
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  track of where we're going. But of course, for someone like
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  yourself, you've had such a, an interesting flamboyant CV past
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  that I think that's why we wanted to bring you on.
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  If you don't mind me saying and there's so much in your past and
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  your present and inshallah on your future, which I think we
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  can benefit from can learn from your experiences and Shalom.
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  We can share our own. If we have any, and then
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  inshallah we can find strategize a way to move forward as a
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  community. Right now, I think we've found
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  that the last few years with the rise of social media, all the
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  jolly and also all the goodness. We see on social media means
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  there's a conflict between those who spread truth.
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  You know. And those who spread falsehood.
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  Okay, Where Do We Begin? I want to ask you, your thoughts
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  on, like, the overview of Muslims, engaging in dialogue
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  and discourse on social media and on YouTube, So as you know,
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  I've obviously I've been involved in the scene for what
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  not 31 years old? 11 years now?
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  Hmm, to be honest with you, most of most of the time it's not
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  fruitful The fire in the back and forth is unbelievable and no
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  one can keep their emotions in check, which is a bad thing.
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  And it's I think I think the direction is going like when you
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  see example, social media and back and forth between sunnis
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  and Shiites disgusting. Now this is not to say that
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  maybe my early years, I wasn't, you know, maybe someone that was
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  doing exactly what I'm calling right now, disgusting.
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  I think sometimes it takes a bit of wisdom and growth and
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  development for you to understand.
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  Okay, there's a certain way of doing things you have to learn
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  from that. I think that's a very important
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  yeah, I mean the other day I was going through Tik-Tok and I
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  would just I was like flabbergasted.
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  I was just like what is going on is do people still do this
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  stuff? Yeah, I mean the day and night
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  whatever time you go on social media, you're seeing it.
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  It's like, you know, I have a job, you're not have a life.
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  Are we talking about the sunni-shia?
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  The official band and it's so, like, you know, you got 11 from
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  one side, someone attacking Mota, then the other one replies
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  with attacking I show something. And it's like highs There's a
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  way of doing things. Yeah, officer social media ever.
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  Now, has an opinion, yeah, somehow a matters, right?
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  And yeah, it's I think it's, I think it's gone down a dark
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  road, but I also believe I don't think is controllable, no one
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  can control, it's not nothing you can do.
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  Like I said, is not controllable.
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  That was out of control. They actually like it, honey.
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  I remember, maybe when I was probably 18, 19 20, I've been
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  Speakers Corner a few times. And I think at that time, I used
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  to be a more sensible. I don't know.
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  I think was like, more filtered more calm more, everything.
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  But now, it's more like everyone's trying to score
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  points. Yeah.
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  And try to win an argument and try possibly get more views
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  online. I have no ask you, sorry.
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  Because we've got quite an international audience.
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  Yes. What is because on Speakers
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  Corner? Correct me if I'm wrong now.
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  It's like the only corner and United Kingdom where you can say
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  what you want. Yeah, I know, get arrested.
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  I'm not mistaken. There's certain things.
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  Yeah, as long as it's not like, You know, wouldn't be defined as
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  hate preaching, oki-doki known as a free speech or not.
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  Yeah, I believe I lost speakers Corners, actually, like, on
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  TripAdvisor. The way people actually like
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  recommend this and people. I mean, when it, when it was in.
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  Yeah, once ever, okay, I'm talking to Speakers Corner
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  obviously. I mean, have I gone there when
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  it was like, I don't care about any March or something of
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  course, but not there to discuss our.
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  I went there. But I was like, no way not like
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  you know, I will be my friends always to, we will say.
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  So I went through different stages religiously.
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  It was a stage where we call it beast mode, and it was just kind
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  of like, you know, fire fight go.
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  I went there once and I'll still semi beast mode at the time.
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  And I was like, no, no, this this doesn't represent Islam.
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  Like what's going on here? Doesn't represent Islam.
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  I never went back everyday. I don't think I would ever call
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  somewhat about. It doesn't represent Islam
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  because of a lot of us have gone through that.
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  Like you said stages, spiritually in religiously, our
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  opinions, ideologies of evolved have changed over time.
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  A lot of us would either gain or knowledge or question or
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  knowledge on the back of videos, like the ones we see on speaker
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  from speakers corner. So what about it doesn't
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  represent Islam. Is it?
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  The, the platform and the way in which people are engaging and
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  polemics is it The polemicists themselves, is it?
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  The the tone and the way they speak.
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  What is really? Okay three.
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  I'll tell you what, though? They now you imagine that the
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  time I went and what made me go was it was like week after week
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  week after week. I don't want to say, Sony's, I
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  don't want to generalize but they say a group of sunni-shia.
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  So I think it's better better wording to use.
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  So these group was sunnis. He's a, he's a kid walking past
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  shear and then they even tried it with him.
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  It's like I said, leave him alone.
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  And then there was a few times they got physical leave or not,
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  you know, you know, they're beating up a few shirts, you
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  know that, right? I like I know some guy, I don't
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  mention his name, he doesn't like he's not the attacking
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  type, he is not the attack, like he's not the attacking type
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  verbally, like, you know, talking about the revered
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  personalities, know, He's a quiet guy, does his thing, they
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  beat him up, they beat him up. So we kept on seeing in the,
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  he's bullying these, she a kids and things like that.
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  So I was like, okay. Cool.
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  Is that? You don't want to do it?
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  Alright, no problem. So we went in and I have my
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  books ready and I had them in a bag.
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  One of the brothers was holding it for me.
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  Think it was my older brother, but we going to get angry that I
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  mentioned it. But yeah, my older brother was
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  hosted in Philly. We go in and so, I just said, I
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  said, I want to end and they Sunni group was there and I came
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  in, I said, listen, I'll debate 10 Everyone gets a minute and I
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  reply in 10 minutes. They didn't want it.
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  There's that guy. I was just named MC I'm sure you
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  people watch them on YouTube and so on.
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  He was like nah nah we turn our backs of the wrath of her.
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  I said to him you didn't turn your back to the wrath of a last
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  week or the week before. Why?
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  Now right now, what's the difference now?
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  Then we got into like back and forth, but this wasn't the
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  Baton. Now, it was more kind of like
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  discussing. Like, why you hit?
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  They were asking me kind of thing.
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  And then he goes, he goes, yeah, we don't debate a little bit
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  that they've got a principal. Where are they?
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  Whoa, most selfies would abide by is that they don't debate the
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  people of innovation because the people of innovation will make
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  them make the lame man affect them affects them, right?
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  So you know, if you don't mind me interrupting, some of the
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  names you mentioned and obviously some of the like the
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  tactics that you've mentioned are strategic and of confusion
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  like you said, a lot of a lot of Youth Muslim youth, especially
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  share our youth. Around the world are getting
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  targeted directly or indirectly. So whether they're like showing
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  a physical presence or whether they're online, they become
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  victim to either misinformation or aggressive that a lot like
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  you said, say and that kind of tactic, which is employed to
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  make people question, the fundamentals of what we believe.
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  And obviously at the same time trying to shake, you know, our
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  belief system in our community and that's our trust and our See
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  in our speakers and that kind of stuff are books and so on, but
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  on the online scene because outside of Speakers Corner,
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  people don't know about what happens on the ground and have
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  the same sort of story that you do.
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  But on the online community, this continues.
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  So, on a day to day basis, like you said, on Tick-Tock on
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  YouTube, there are series that are produced, there are, you
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  know, one minute Clips 10 reasons to leave shiism.
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  I saw today, you know, things like that.
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  Where do we begin to understand this?
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  What do you reckon say? Because obviously I know you've.
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  Come on, do something. Yeah.
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  But they give ten reasons. I'll give them three reasons to
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  leave soon either by. Okay, thank you.
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  By the way, even then ten reasons that you mentioning it's
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  like each point will get absolutely.
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  That's fair but then doesn't that develop a back and forth
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  which becomes futile so you can give 10 you give stay gets 50,
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  gives 100 and then there's a never-ending cycle.
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  So some might turn around. Say what's the point of this?
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  Have the end of the day like you said, how do you have course for
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  me to more minion, I live in a big pile of Slaughter livestock
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  male ways. Says, of course, I'm
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  paraphrasing again. People don't know the truth and
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  First Look for the truth and look to those who adhere to it.
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  All right, so when we understand how do you like that people then
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  understand think a lot of what's the point of these videos?
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  These back and forth the aggression and the snide remarks
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  GCM coming from. Yeah.
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  Is it an effective strategy? Because honestly, we see a lot
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  of that right now and there's a difference like you said, before
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  the podcast, put in being good at debating and being good at
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  arguing, Presenting your point and I think, I think listen is a
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  free world. Yeah, and you know, when we look
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  back at, like, for example, the time of Imam Sadiq alaysalam,
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  we're like the different schools of theology started to really
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  flourish and establish themselves, thirds and degree.
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  You see the companions of the amounts?
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  You know, you Shaman hackham had a friend, his business partner,
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  my memory serves me, right? Was from the khawarij khawarij.
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  He would sit there and And you know, he would debate them.
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  But there wasn't that kind of you know, belittling kind of
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  kind of thing. Now of course maybe is there a
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  wire to one of the companions? They do that?
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  Maybe. Yeah.
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  But I'm saying generally that wasn't the case now and you know
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  like sometimes people my black eye but you did it to me but I'm
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  like okay guys. I mean, it's that was like five,
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  ten years five, ten years ago. I was finished about know, that
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  approach is wrong. I think like if you want to make
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  a video And you want to refute four examples from these anymore
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  atheism or feminism or whatever it is, do it, this one is be
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  sure what you're saying. Know what you're speaking about,
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  you know, there's a, I tweeted today.
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  There's a companion of Imam Aruba And I'll carve on alayhim
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  as-salam. His name is Eunice bin.
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  Abdulrahman this guy was one of the greatest Companions of the
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  amounts. Some reports they're not the
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  most reliable but it says like, I'm just trying to show you what
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  type of status he is or was kind of found about him and I will
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  books where it says he was the Salman Al mohammadi of his time.
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  Lockwood. He said when he said he says,
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  again, this report is not by Elmer Rajasthan, is not
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  considered authentic, but it's not a mom and it has that kind
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  of benefits that you take from. So you mentioned it for from the
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  standpoint of, but I can't say to you and it's been up there.
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  I'm on definitely said it, but you take the benefits benefits
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  from it. He says, 20 years, I listened 20
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  years, I asked, And then I answered.
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  Yeah, many of those that I'm talking, she has now, there are
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  sitting on Tick Tock, Instagram, they're not well verse, they
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  don't even know their own books. Reading an article and then,
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  using the article to reply. Okay, great.
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  I'm sure that some articles are great, like, they do the job.
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  But it's like, have you really understood the whole topic?
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  So we should understand what who we are and what we believe
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  before. We start engaging in these
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  things which are not beneficial other day, right?
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  And it'll Shake one's own opinion.
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  Yeah, there's a saying okay. Sorry sir.
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  No. Know, your position.
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  I think that's the problem, because, for example, the the
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  anti-war movement on Tick Tock is very big, but no one is
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  responding to them. So, the result of this is now
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  kids are going on live responding to these people.
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  And that probably these kids are gonna be read by sunnis, who
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  that they do not, they do not reply to.
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  So who should be responding to these guys?
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  Look, I'll be honest, just ignore them.
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  I'm with you that that's a fair question.
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  I totally get it. Yeah, I'll tell you a quick
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  story, is a funny story. I actually went to learn Arabic
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  alone on my own in 6 months how to read and write.
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  Yeah, obviously we want our books going, things like that,
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  but he'll tell you, I was getting chucked out of every
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  lesson but I want to learn it in six months on my own.
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  You know why? I did exactly what these young
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  Chihuahua doing was on Twitter. And it was, you know, debate
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  debate article found the article, put the scan, you know,
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  other not to read Arabic at the time, put it out.
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  And he's like, the guy started, I was like, well it doesn't even
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  say what you're saying. Hmm.
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  And I looked at and never follow.
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  So like disheartened I must be embarrassing.
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  My heart broke so I was like, okay yeah I know.
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  Okay, leave this you go. Go back to the bookstore.
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  Like it shows the importance that you need to know what
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  you're reading and saying. Before you even share this
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  knowledge, that one things they possess yeah, to the world.
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  But I think a question I want to ask nothing is a serious
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  question. And we, as Muslims ultimately,
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  we want to get closer to Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala and Jupiter.
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  Now, I don't think we grow, I think this mainly affects you,
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  as I don't think they use nowadays, want to, you know,
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  spend their lives and hours, and weekends and online time,
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  debating for Who lets first and you know, who's the fourth
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  caliph like for example, I don't what I want on the sun is what
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  drives you to forget. Your solid team for example.
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  What is your what stops you from wanting to?
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  For example on the stand today you die.
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  Darlin Abu ammar but they are more like your main call.
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  You know, what you stand on as a Muslim.
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  Why would you step away from this?
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  If you are seeking knowledge and trying to share knowledge and
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  step into that field, where all you're doing is debating, who's
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  right? Who's wrong?
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  You know, that's a general question for me.
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  Yeah. So I think most of us question
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  is kind of in the center line related in a certain sense.
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  Yeah, there's a beautiful wire and I hope the shabaab are
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  watching this. I know that burn in your heart,
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  you know? They're saying she has him, is
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  this, she has, apparently, you know, this honor, Imam, Ali,
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  this so intimate, how to get gold back from, you know, from
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  your heart, you're going to reply our guests, a defense
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  mode. It's a defense mode.
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  Canary, you know what? Got me into seeking knowledge.
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  So do you. With my friends that were salafi
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  IG. They went to Yemen for like two
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  years. Came back there that you're a
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  cover story. Multiple I used to eat from the
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  same plate as you recover. Are you like mr.
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  King. Sorry your comfort and then you
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  got the bay. And so I started reading because
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  I need to defend by the way, I was like 20 other even know
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  there was a book. Our main book of Hadith is
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  al-kafi by Cheryl Cole a knee, right?
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  I didn't know that existed, awful Bihar was our book what we
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  just did except a little bit like some sweaty.
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  But anyway, when I started to read, I was like, I have to
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  start replying. My whole thing was reactionary
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  but you know, you know, you know if I didn't Change that.
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  My Religion will be destroyed. I'll tell you why, there's a
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  wire and a book called kitab atarid, Tabata him, but not by
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  my real guitar, but I hate the true one.
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  But she has to do one of our classic was called he narrates.
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  And if my memory serves me, right, I think it's a actually,
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  a reliable report from Imam. Muhammad rasul Allah saw from
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  Imam Sadiq to rasulullah. He says the prophet salallahu
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  alihi says as he says those that enter religion basically and to
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  religion through debates arguing and someone will destroy their
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  religion. This is to you young shabaab
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  know that you are going to destroy your religion by doing
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  this. It's a fair point by much, too.
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  By the way, someone needs to do to actually be, if someone needs
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  to go to Speakers Corner because now it is a platform.
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  Have you not seen? I mean, are you sure?
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  I'm see again. The views that he gets the
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  marginal and now he's because it's a platform.
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  I don't think. I think only a certain type of
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  person needs to get involved in this.
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  Do you mean? There's a there's a strategy and
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  you got him in the way you approach, and you've got be
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  strategic when it's discarded, by the way, when it's like a
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  serious. So, nice color and a serious.
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  She asked Allah debating, that won't be the case.
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  Why? Because you know what we need to
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  know is is his methodology in like history?
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  Had the youth Quran and so on that you need to know but these
• 22:54
  guys they're not they're not Scholars.
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  Well, he shames, he does some crazy things so he goes because
• 23:04
  a lot of shit I've seen it even on tic-tac-toe.
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  Blocked him. Oh, you were you?
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  Not believe Allah has a body. And he replies and he starts a
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  bit Twitch in a bit and then like I'm making a sick point, he
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  goes. Yeah.
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  Do you. Do you exist check?
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  I said, yeah, there's all exist. Yeah, is it the same thing?
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  No. So they go Allah has a body but
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  it's not like ours. And heck.
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  What's going on muffled? But you know, she's really good
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  at that. He makes himself seem like he's
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  right when he really hasn't had any pain.
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  I kind of just do this so much time.
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  Do me a favor. Yeah.
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  So I was going to watch this. I want you to put a timer now.
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  So I'm going to I'm going to destroy the point in two
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  minutes. Yeah because I think it's
• 23:54
  important because don't ever use it again, any coffee back, you
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  know I mean let's let's let's do that or not know when you're
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  editing or whatever do that? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Okay so I've got 2 minutes old
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  120 seconds. Yeah yeah okay cool similar it's
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  been a lot about an alarmist Allah.
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  Muhammad Ali Mohammed. Okay so you have language is
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  limited. The ways you've been beings
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  communicate with each. Other is limited.
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  Yes. Limited.
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  That language is limited. Allah has unlimited.
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  So when I say Allah is merciful and zayde is merciful There is
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  no other word for me to describe Allah except by me saying
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  merciful because even the word mercy doesn't actually do
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  justice to Allah, so it's not the same thing.
• 24:45
  Now, he said that, right? But we're saying no no, but
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  you're saying oh, but it's not the same thing you exist and he
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  exists. But it's not know.
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  We're saying. Allah is merciful, say this much
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  for language. The way that we communicate us,
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  human beings is limited. So the the way that I described
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  a lot is going to be in a limited way but he is not
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  limited. And his existence is not the
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  same as my existence because if it is, then we have a problem.
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  Second point. Last Point what we on most about
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  how many seconds do keep in contact?
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  Okay, no problem. Hopefully, you can get that
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  second point is okay. One Allah has a buddy.
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  Yeah, yeah. So he has a form.
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  Yes, if you have a form, think about me, shabab.
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  Wherever is what you mean by businesses?
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  The features you're talking about here for not forget
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  features because he says, his hand is not like my hand.
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  Okay, whatever that means, but it has a form.
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  When I say, for example, this cup, this cop has a form.
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  Say, it has a form, right? When you have a form.
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  That means, you are limited to that form.
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  And if you are limited to that form and you are a form, you are
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  limited to the location. You are limited to a location.
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  That means, now you are low. You are limited to location and
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  time. Mmm time is First Have you
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  understood the argument? So you know when he does he
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  usually argue that he touches him that I did a good job.
• 26:19
  You didn't do a good job. So that's why we say like and by
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  the way I can go even further, you know, like they have a
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  report. Okay the time I has to stop.
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  Now we're just continue, there's a time there's a report they
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  have? They say as I as well that all
• 26:34
  the jokes. Now not also needs.
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  Let's just be fair, you know? Take it in the literal sense.
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  But no, his you no shame sizes ideology and belief is that, no,
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  he Jabs his the his their Scholars would say to you.
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  He jobs, I think, if my memory serves me right, I've been with
• 26:53
  a means as it, isn't it? So if you don't want me to talk,
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  isn't the context that I had difficulty or whatever?
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  You take one step towards a light extend towards you.
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  Isn't that? Isn't that pretty?
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  There's one like that. They take literally, and there's
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  another one right here. I think the word is hot.
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  Our job just like so Allah jokes.
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  Sorry, get up but he doesn't talk like us.
• 27:20
  So we should jogging backwards. These kind of these kind of
• 27:23
  stories. I want to kind of move the
• 27:24
  conversation on a bit because like these these stories, these
• 27:29
  speakers like is ways and I think anyone can go online and
• 27:34
  obviously they can see these guys and see what their
• 27:36
  mannerisms are like, see what their approach is like and
• 27:39
  whether this is the clock of the a little bit of a mussalam and
• 27:42
  even those who are closest to the holy prophet, Muhammad
• 27:45
  sallallahu, I did what I lie with sell them.
• 27:47
  And the ultimate goal like you said say it is to reach a lot of
• 27:51
  honor to our land to develop that proximity and means for us
• 27:54
  to do that, is to seek, I'll seek knowledge and taqwa.
• 27:58
  Now then the question is, where did you get it?
• 28:01
  Who's you get from putting putting aside, the street
• 28:03
  Scholars, like you said hasn't like the the street polemics,
• 28:07
  the street shares, all of that stuff.
• 28:09
  We now come to a world where as shh, okay, putting aside the
• 28:14
  other schools are the six. We have so many handle Le Many
• 28:18
  speakers abundance of speakers. You know, it's hard to keep up
• 28:22
  with the amount of content online.
• 28:24
  However, a lot of them, different opinion on ideology on
• 28:27
  approach on speciality, these things like that.
• 28:30
  Where do I begin? Let's say I'm 16 years old.
• 28:33
  I've become by 11 the last few years and now trying to take
• 28:37
  mice. Really like me, I was Ice,
• 28:39
  truckey hit me up, point in my teenage years, where I'm like,
• 28:41
  what am I doing? I'm not praying enough.
• 28:43
  I'm not fasting. Well, would you go?
• 28:45
  I'm saying. So I think a lot of 'Well, then
• 28:48
  get to that stage. For me.
• 28:49
  It was when I was about seven. I remember like last year, a
• 28:51
  level first year uni, I went into that Vibes.
• 28:54
  I did my history research. My will I understanding, you
• 28:57
  know, that's where you start. We understand stuffy for and
• 29:00
  then you move from there. That's where I start at least.
• 29:02
  So for me, that was the right took, where does one begin?
• 29:05
  How do we judge knowledge? So I want to ask you said, if
• 29:08
  you don't mind but then we go to hasson because obviously this is
• 29:11
  like a, it's the foundation for everything we understand and not
• 29:14
  knowledge never ends. I will yearning for knowledge.
• 29:17
  Then my understanding has a correct me stop for example
• 29:21
  Yani. Let's say we are trying to seek
• 29:23
  knowledge and shallow. That's everyone's goal and we
• 29:25
  know the rules were and you know we know what a loli, why are you
• 29:28
  selling M? You know, seek knowledge from
• 29:29
  Cradle to grave famously. The and as a Muslim this is what
• 29:32
  we ultimately want. And you mentioned the point
• 29:35
  where, you know, we have a variety of speakers called as
• 29:37
  etcetera and a different opinion.
• 29:39
  And I the way I've understood it, I'm going to has an
• 29:42
  elaborate on. This is that, for example, any
• 29:43
  if we have the basic understanding of Quran and Say
• 29:48
  the shoulder or the teachings of the elevator is not.
• 29:50
  If what we're hearing contradict score on and that if it
• 29:53
  contradicts the faculty in of waters, Allah sallallahu
• 29:56
  alehiwassallaam, left for us, then something is wrong in that
• 29:59
  opinion, but how can I judge? I don't know.
• 30:01
  I'm clueless to be honest, because if we looking at these
• 30:06
  may Allah bless, every available.
• 30:08
  Every student that goes to seek knowledge because we learn from
• 30:11
  them. Ultimately, that's how do we
• 30:12
  know. I don't know what I asked you.
• 30:15
  Can I ask you when you when you're on a journey?
• 30:17
  To seek knowledge. Okay, what's the first point of
• 30:20
  call for you? Okay, we said Quran is sudden
• 30:22
  but what on a personal level where the said, I'll you go to
• 30:26
  just to get an understanding and it bro, you can be as open as
• 30:29
  you like you can say you to be transparent.
• 30:31
  You can say your parents. Like, for me, it's probably
• 30:34
  online. If I have friends or I have like
• 30:38
  family who I know are more learner than I will speak to
• 30:41
  them about you. If sometimes I do this
• 30:44
  self-learning think. Yeah.
• 30:46
  Where it can become. Tricky and dangerous.
• 30:49
  Because sometimes you don't know if you're if you're having the
• 30:51
  right Source, the best thing I can do if I'm in that situation
• 30:54
  which I have been on numerous times.
• 30:56
  Let's ask someone I trust with them right?
• 30:59
  And I trust a certain, you know, scholar or so I can double-check
• 31:02
  you. I've read I can.
• 31:04
  And if it's in line and this more than one scholar saying the
• 31:07
  same thing to me in Charlotte, that's the right way because I
• 31:10
  can be wrong as an adult that you agree with me and another.
• 31:14
  I was kind of just taking in what you're saying.
• 31:16
  No, I don't think you're wrong. Wrong. look, knowledge is a How
• 31:25
  do I want to say? So, I don't disagree with
• 31:27
  anything. You said, I think we have a
• 31:30
  problem now. Community Salah, when it comes
• 31:33
  to knowledge, it's terrible. I mean, I sit down with a lot of
• 31:38
  shabab regularly sometimes. I'll have they'll be like a
• 31:42
  gathering that we 3040, I'm like, okay, I just need to ask
• 31:46
  some people some questions. Yeah.
• 31:49
  Can you tell me four main books of Hadith but this year?
• 31:56
  You got about two hands, the two hands that you get one of them
• 32:01
  black Gap. I read them.
• 32:02
  I go back to them but I don't be like.
• 32:05
  Okay so You read them. Now, I just know them as
• 32:11
  realistically, just one. Yeah, so at that level With
• 32:17
  doing bad to retreat, esta out. Well, she don't know, you know,
• 32:21
  what? As you were saying this, by the
• 32:23
  way and I thought I don't wanna go back to this initiative from
• 32:29
  them from ourselves. Yeah, I think that's dangerous
• 32:32
  because all, we, truly seeking knowledge over there just to
• 32:35
  like, School points trying, but, you know, is I have my opinion.
• 32:43
  The whole shit Sunni. But, you know, suddenly
• 32:47
  Bookshare books, my opinion on it has kind of changed.
• 32:50
  I don't believe, I don't believe so, I'm not of the opinion that
• 32:54
  all your Now by signing your books.
• 32:56
  No, no, we have to discuss it, because when bukhari Muslim were
• 33:01
  writing these books, they weren't writing it just for for
• 33:04
  Sonny's. No, they weren't just fighting
• 33:06
  for something. They were writing it for
• 33:08
  Muslims. This is the chain that I have.
• 33:10
  They had a certain standard. Now, of course, we disagree with
• 33:13
  them on the criteria of sahay week, whatever.
• 33:17
  But generally, for example, if you have other wire in Sunni
• 33:21
  books, that's motor water becomes a hug, and you're going
• 33:23
  to have to investigate and gonna have to have some type of reply.
• 33:27
  Now, obviously, we don't want to get into it, I'm so slow, you
• 33:29
  know? That we have more about to go to
• 33:45
  sleep. Yeah he's laughing.
• 33:48
  What's that was about to go to sleep.
• 33:49
  You go 6.6. Let's say 15 people say it.
• 33:54
  Then their students, the 15. Each one has a different
• 33:57
  student, they narrate the same thing, same thing becomes
• 34:00
  Matawan time, they're legit, can't sit down in one place,
• 34:03
  like in most cases 99% of the time, let's say you're not going
• 34:07
  to get people comes sit down. You know what?
• 34:09
  We're going to gather, we're going to lie about it and then
• 34:11
  their own array in the same thing on each level China, you
• 34:15
  know, narrator after narrator. Yeah, and then legitimate
• 34:19
  reliable people, the trustworthy, the razors are no
• 34:22
  not so. So there's a discussion there so
• 34:24
  some of them, some of them would say that all of them need to be
• 34:28
  trustworthy but from what I've seen it seems like majority
• 34:32
  don't believe so right. Okay you know because I like it
• 34:34
  doesn't always like right. Hmm.
• 34:36
  Okay interesting. This technically is yeah but but
• 34:39
  we're going back to the initial conversation on seeking
• 34:41
  knowledge. Yeah.
• 34:42
  Okay what's like the Layman will do this thing like say it said
• 34:48
  and I've said I'm definitely a Layman but in a sense of seeking
• 34:50
  Knowledge from those around us of see them Everyone will grow
• 34:54
  up and everyone wants this. If I'm not mistaken this Hadith
• 34:57
  about about being a better parent than your own parent was
• 35:00
  and that kind of thing and trying to improve on the
• 35:03
  generations before you. So everyone will ask reflect on
• 35:06
  what they've been told and then reassess and see if this is
• 35:09
  something I Implement in my life.
• 35:10
  This ideology. I accept and adopt geom same.
• 35:13
  But that, that, that approach might only be a primary form of
• 35:18
  approach because we lack a means to seek knowledge.
• 35:22
  When I say that, I mean, for example, Okay, we have, like I
• 35:25
  said, an abundance of speakers. We have content online, we have
• 35:28
  courses in some senses and some more skin, some Heusen in the
• 35:31
  UK, for example. But other than that, other than
• 35:35
  that, is it case of we lack quality of content as
• 35:38
  allocating? That quantity quantity of
• 35:40
  content, but why is it that you said that the majority of our
• 35:44
  shabaab lack knowledge? Is it because we don't have
• 35:46
  enough options is because we lack the viral driver.
• 35:50
  I think it's say, It's like a Domino's effect.
• 35:54
  Yeah, you know it's a thing that we've picked up from generation
• 36:00
  after generation now. It's been like this.
• 36:02
  It seems, it seems like it's been like this for the last few
• 36:05
  centuries. It's just dying down, and it,
• 36:10
  and it's kind of more like There is an interest in knowledge.
• 36:16
  When people want to go modulus, it's just, you know eat more or
• 36:21
  less want to go to the modulus and you just want to, you know,
• 36:24
  it's kind of like we're just waiting for that last part cry.
• 36:27
  A bit. Feel good.
• 36:28
  You know, when you cry for the imams, a little muscle on that
• 36:31
  Hill bait, cleanses your soul, it catches your soul, like
• 36:34
  there's no doubt about the feelings, amazing, right?
• 36:36
  But growth is the ultimate goals.
• 36:38
  It's like, like when the Imam says, for example, when your
• 36:41
  mama Sadiq Ali Sonam and beehive, The last saw the
• 36:44
  release arm. When he says example cry my
• 36:47
  grandfather, her saying he's telling you that.
• 36:51
  Not, because that's the objective, that's the means to
• 36:55
  the objective. Why?
• 36:57
  Because one, when you're crying for the Imam, you're crying one
• 37:02
  cleansing your soul to your attaching yourself to him, you
• 37:07
  know. You've got an emotional
• 37:09
  attachment to him not just on a spiritual historical mental, not
• 37:15
  as spiritual. And when, when your spirit and
• 37:18
  your emotions, that means you're leaving your physical senses
• 37:22
  connected to. Yeah.
• 37:23
  You see how beautiful it is? But that's all that you're doing
• 37:27
  it. Why to reach Allah subhanahu
• 37:30
  wa'ta'ala. You know, the first verse that
• 37:33
  came down upon those who didn't extra credit, mr.
• 37:36
  Baker, Lady of color color palette, read knowledge.
• 37:40
  Seek every single Prophet came to teach you knowledge.
• 37:43
  What are we doing? There's our wire from my memory.
• 37:48
  Says, you might even amount of background in homicide up.
• 37:50
  He says he said, I don't mind. I wouldn't mind to whip the
• 37:54
  heads of my companions until the have to fuck bull.
• 37:59
  Understanding of Dean. There's a, you know, there's a
• 38:02
  beaut for a while, I'll read it to you because as it's it's
• 38:06
  around these days that it's the martyrdom of Imam, al-sadiq a.s.
• 38:11
  So there are wires found in coffee, one of our most reliable
• 38:16
  book and the chain is as authentic as it can get.
• 38:21
  I read the chain because I always like to do that because
• 38:24
  what in most cases so that people get familiar with these
• 38:27
  person at these are the people that are giving us our Dean
• 38:30
  without them. We don't know what Assad has
• 38:33
  said. So alkaline in a raid for
• 38:35
  Muhammad. When you hear his teacher from
• 38:37
  Ahmed bin Mohammed, it would be. I might be Mohammed bin Isa Al a
• 38:43
  Sharia law and even a Beyond male most reliable narrator.
• 38:49
  Yeah, from his Sean been silent for maybe Abdullah says when my
• 38:54
  father was about to leave this world, so Mom and Barbara was
• 38:57
  about to die. He said, o jodphur.
• 39:01
  I recommend you to be good to my companions.
• 39:06
  Wow. A listen to the reply, a lot of
• 39:08
  work but I then said may Allah take my soul in service for your
• 39:13
  cause by Allah, I will educate them as much as such that in any
• 39:20
  City where any of them would live, he would not need to ask
• 39:25
  others for knowledge of religion.
• 39:28
  Yeah, Allahu Akbar. We're going to get us on the
• 39:31
  water. Oh no.
• 39:45
  - do you think, let me ask you this question?
• 39:48
  Yeah, as a community, have we become so cocooned, like you
• 39:53
  said, generationally passed down, especially if you don't.
• 39:56
  Mind me saying, as an honor, Rocky.
• 39:58
  And we talked a lot about culture and identity on this
• 40:00
  podcast, but Jenny, for example, your car.
• 40:03
  But I said, yeah. Well your your your ancestors,
• 40:08
  you see. Here we go.
• 40:15
  Sisters have been born and bred above the letter saying
• 40:19
  alaysalam, and the sense that they cannibalize does it, but
• 40:23
  this is now a city created for about the dollar saying, right
• 40:26
  now, when that becomes their lives, their livelihoods, their
• 40:30
  Community, their family, their interaction, the social game,
• 40:32
  everything is built around that, and then it's built into your
• 40:36
  blood safety. And your DNA is become a
• 40:38
  journalist, you get me. So maybe it gets to a point,
• 40:41
  very much certain communities. Yeah, but maybe with all of our
• 40:44
  communities as well. That we become.
• 40:46
  So like swamped in the love that we have for the elevator the
• 40:51
  Muslim specifically in Muharram that we stop there and we don't
• 40:55
  have a yearning to go further. You go on saying I don't
• 40:58
  disagree because I don't know if you recall, I think it was the
• 41:01
  kick start of season 2 of the podcast.
• 41:03
  Yeah. Where I bring this point in and
• 41:06
  I was like, you know, I feel like a shiera we make our
• 41:10
  believe very cultural rather than, you know, based on a la
• 41:13
  spada. I'm going to I'm going to call
• 41:14
  it out as it is. Yeah.
• 41:16
  And I say, again, I'll take a look on any day, but there is
• 41:18
  more to lot on just morning. You have to understand the
• 41:21
  semester because for example you bring up your mother for saying
• 41:24
  earlier and your conversation here correct or why did the
• 41:28
  amount of saying go to karbala we like a lot throughout the
• 41:36
  purified. If we take only, you know, our
• 41:51
  belief cultural, of course, all we're gonna have is lawful I
• 41:54
  need to be more than that. I know.
• 41:55
  We've really sunk as it can be, I would say, well that without
• 42:00
  this, I don't think I am who I am know that keeps us where we
• 42:06
  need to hear. Brings us back.
• 42:18
  so, you know, I said we have to start to look at history on
• 42:29
  studying history in a very natural way.
• 42:32
  We look at it a lot like special.
• 42:35
  Now a Pulpit as an outside, the least and then another I'm to
• 42:38
  eat for in from the outside, the inside the wherever you want to
• 42:41
  go to column and every angle, we've made even made a lot into
• 42:46
  this Marvel Avengers, you know, Avengers versus panels and we
• 42:51
  have, I'm not happy. We look at History in a very
• 42:55
  natural way. So I was trying to explain it to
• 42:57
  my father said, look, we're looking at in a very natural
• 42:59
  way. I was like let me give you an
• 43:01
  example. So as she as we don't take our
• 43:06
  Dean from the second caliph, we don't not someone that we see
• 43:11
  him. As you know, someone we take our
• 43:13
  religion. Actually we stay away from him
• 43:15
  so varied, only. Yeah.
• 43:18
  So I was like, okay, What he done in essence is evil.
• 43:27
  It's against what Allah and his Messenger to, he won against the
• 43:30
  Commandments of rasulullah. There's our beliefs sir, I said,
• 43:33
  no down, I need the conclusion on him as a she I is that we
• 43:37
  don't accept this person. So.
• 43:39
  Yeah. So I was like well if it's
• 43:42
  proven method in that the second caliph was, there's a narration
• 43:47
  in water water, you know, game. That was 32 water.
• 43:51
  Weight was walking down Medina. He saw a lady.
• 43:53
  That was poor. He gave her a house fed her and
• 43:57
  you know, it's a good thing. I was like, for me it's just be
• 44:02
  like, okay I did a good thing but still don't take anything
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  from him because that's the way the it doesn't.
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  It's the same thing. When I have when I have Hitler,
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  you like if there was a story that was confirmed, he was
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  walking down the street one day. Sorry lady.
• 44:17
  He told his, you know, cameras wherever feed her clothes, her
• 44:21
  make sure she's good look after her family, but okay, but I
• 44:24
  still think Hitler's evil person.
• 44:27
  Hmm. My dad actually take it and he
• 44:29
  was like, To my brother because I've changed a lot in my
• 44:33
  opinions, right? If like hustling, okay, you're
• 44:35
  right. It doesn't mean he didn't have a
• 44:54
  human side where it doesn't mean he's good, like Harley been
• 45:00
  wedding. Again, our shares we don't take
• 45:05
  anything from him. We stay away from him.
• 45:07
  So far away far away. But he was one of the greatest
• 45:11
  generals under, you know, when we say in Islam and Islam in the
• 45:16
  sense of the umbrella is some write the title Islam, right to
• 45:20
  question. If you look at if you look at a
• 45:23
  CV wow it was a real politician. Yeah it's like yeah it's like
• 45:28
  please but there's solar no. Wow, we are.
• 45:33
  Okay as he was a good poet so relax.
• 45:36
  Oh it was the worst Posse ever. No it's okay.
• 45:42
  He's better. No Richard are.
• 45:43
  Let's say, you know, I mean so it's just
• 45:59
  like guys. I'm just trying to explain to
• 46:01
  you that even though it is difficult this.
• 46:05
  Yeah. So yeah, I mean not even
• 46:08
  certain. We've gone so far.
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  You know the event of karbala Habibi.
• 46:14
  Karbala from the pole. So tragic?
• 46:16
  Yeah of course of course. Yeah.
• 46:18
  Yeah it's so tragic. It doesn't need.
• 46:20
  We know what needs to add spices to it.
• 46:23
  Arabella is karbala Allahu Akbar.
• 46:27
  ABI abdillah al-hussein stood in front of the army of yazeed.
• 46:34
  And you know, his whole family got it doesn't need, we don't
• 46:37
  need to do these things. It's a problem 11.
• 46:41
  But you know, you know, I'll tell you something, it's very
• 46:44
  hard. What was very hard because you
• 46:46
  know, we was talking about before, you know, we turned on
• 46:49
  the cameras and so on, is that You know, especially now I'm not
• 46:54
  really having become mainstream anymore, right?
• 46:58
  I'm very like, in My Own Lane in a certain sense.
• 47:00
  Not in my own lane like I'm this, show us your journey.
• 47:02
  Great, great personality. Yeah, but you know what, you
• 47:05
  know, what really makes me stronger.
• 47:07
  I got attacked by, you know, these extremists sunnis and I
• 47:12
  didn't sweat, not even sweat and that's for two reasons.
• 47:19
  I come from a very masculine household.
• 47:21
  My dad is like a army, General Paula.
• 47:26
  I hate to ask manhood, I'm young back when I used to get sent
• 47:30
  home from for fighting positive masculinity.
• 47:33
  Of course. Yeah.
• 47:34
  This is just to clarify. Yeah.
• 47:36
  Yeah, of course, of course, no 100%.
• 47:39
  You can't be a share on have toxic masculinity and represent
• 47:42
  that mr. John, you know, you you care
• 47:46
  about your honor and your dignity.
• 47:47
  I still can get some home for fighting from school.
• 47:50
  The door got opened you win? Yeah.
• 47:52
  All right. Come in.
• 47:55
  Now and this is not to say when I came into this area where we
• 48:07
  was like one of the first Muslim family.
• 48:09
  Hmm. You know, they will try to pull
• 48:11
  my sister's, her job of I was a young kid.
• 48:14
  How long was my brother that had to deal with it?
• 48:16
  So from the get-go, Yeah, the men in the house is like 78
• 48:21
  years old saurabh gadgil, you know, be a man, but isn't there,
• 48:26
  you know, what is the stories of the companions of the amount?
• 48:28
  You know, why I say Companions of the imams?
• 48:31
  Because the Imam is much soon Yes, I'm Lettin me, right?
• 48:36
  Yes, that Divine knowledge. And if there's actually a
• 48:39
  revived where the Imam at Lisa, he says I'm paraphrasing.
• 48:42
  I can't remember exactly why. But he said something along the
• 48:44
  lines of The the is the shit out of that our own greatness is
• 48:53
  like because we're in Mom's. Yeah.
• 48:55
  Again a afraid. I'm not, it's not what I work
• 48:58
  but we're wearing mom's worried. Do they wear red today?
• 49:02
  You look, you know, working with trying to strengthen your heart
• 49:06
  you know, but I always go back to the companion but there's a
• 49:09
  really nice little why. I think the Hadith is found in a
• 49:13
  book called agile kitschy or some take cash.
• 49:16
  She, and it's about the companion.
• 49:20
  Mentioned before your own has been up there, a man mmm.
• 49:24
  So it says the righteous slaves, so sometimes in the required,
• 49:28
  when you go to it. So just for those that know,
• 49:30
  inshaallah and they're reading more Hadith, there's certain
• 49:34
  titles for the imams that you that maybe Jack for a thawing.
• 49:38
  Hmm, you know, Harry says, I love the solid, so I've decided
• 49:41
  hey means Imam will cover what he says.
• 49:44
  He says, oh, Eunice sent to the word.
• 49:46
  But this one really makes me not care about what others.
• 49:49
  Say listen to the word, help you.
• 49:52
  Oh Jonas, be more lenient towards them.
• 49:57
  For your words, a hard hitting on them.
• 50:00
  A lot of the companions of the imams, the other ones is the
• 50:03
  hate on Eunice. He was so great in his knowledge
• 50:06
  and support. He said so you only says I said,
• 50:11
  but they call me as India. He said to me, so the Imam says
• 50:17
  them, what will it harm you if you have in your hands a pearl,
• 50:23
  but the people say to you it is a stone and what will it benefit
• 50:28
  you if you have in your hand, a stone at the people say, it is a
• 50:32
  poem Allahu Akbar and he's a solid wall is a lot.
• 50:43
  This one that I just mentioned is a authentic one. this one is
• 50:47
  not the most reliable, but it continues for my mother and he
• 50:50
  says, he says, What does it matter?
• 50:54
  If you have a or a stone. It's like, I mentioned.
• 50:57
  But then he says, What matters is that you are upon the truth
• 51:02
  and your Imam is pleased with Isis.
• 51:05
  And that's how you push forward in life.
• 51:08
  Is that you give priority to certain things in your life.
• 51:12
  Because it's like yeah, has a no card.
• 51:15
  There is this that you did you become this, you become that.
• 51:19
  Doesn't matter as long as I know Allah and his messenger and my
• 51:23
  Imam. Ali Ahmad Salem are pleased with
• 51:25
  me. That's the most important and
• 51:27
  that's how we should live our lives.
• 51:29
  I run those one time a conversation.
• 51:30
  I had with Hudson here and he didn't want to because I think
• 51:36
  you left Speakers Corner then you started a YouTube channel.
• 51:38
  I'm alone, I don't know what phase it was here.
• 51:41
  Not sure what stage are. You were like, you know what,
• 51:44
  I'm trying to you know, do some self growth, I'm trying to do,
• 51:49
  I'm On my journey right now to understand a lot of what I can
• 51:52
  like, I'm paraphrasing, but searching the word for word and
• 51:54
  I was like, you know what, I don't know many people like us.
• 51:57
  Mm-hmm. Because we can become sheep and
• 51:59
  we can take anything as gospel and believe everything and it's
• 52:03
  a dangerous world out there. Yeah.
• 52:04
  And seeing house in here today, I want you to share maybe for
• 52:08
  myself. Maybe I meant of anyone out
• 52:10
  there, listening, how can one truly self-learn?
• 52:14
  Get closer to Allah more importantly on the path of truth
• 52:18
  because this is dangerous. Swamp is a danger up.
• 52:22
  You know just as a side note honestly in this journey of
• 52:26
  seeking knowledge and being involved in that where religion
• 52:29
  I must say, this is not just tough, you me the weirdest
• 52:34
  people and you encounter with crazy crazy people, honestly.
• 52:38
  Hmm, But the Journey of self-discovery and seeking
• 52:44
  knowledge, it truly begins in the heart But heart is only one
• 52:53
  doctor for that heart. A lot of paranoia Tad and there
• 52:57
  are only a few surgeons that know how to talk to the heart.
• 53:01
  Muhammad Ali Mohammed. And once you start to be in line
• 53:08
  with the Quran and Sunnah, by the way, just for those because
• 53:12
  we're used to like when I say I mentioned quite a lot on my
• 53:15
  social media, I get messages we work so meal plan has on that.
• 53:19
  Yeah, we know you just that like you know how many I had eat, we
• 53:25
  have where the Imam mentions put on and soon, it will not saying
• 53:28
  that they're sort of like I didn't leave in Israel where he
• 53:30
  said, any Target vehicle mythical a table at rattle bait.
• 53:33
  We're not saying that because you know, so nice.
• 53:35
  No score on and said, no, but Quran and Sunnah is the balance
• 53:39
  in our team. That's where we take our Sharia,
• 53:42
  our ethics, morality Dean, akka, and philosophy, everything.
• 53:47
  The Journey Begins I think with the heart, heart requires
• 53:53
  sincerity. Hmm no matter what happened to
• 53:56
  my heart, what? No matter what happened in my
• 53:59
  heart, and my life. I just continue pushing in this
• 54:04
  world, you have to Have a purpose.
• 54:09
  A reason to why you exist? What is your /?
• 54:12
  You can't wake up and have no reason to why you exist.
• 54:16
  How you fulfilling that purpose? I went through a lot in my life.
• 54:22
  I went through so many changes. Like you might know, maybe I'm a
• 54:26
  dozen I I came from the streets. I came from the sheet, like we
• 54:32
  used to be on the streets. I've seen killing stabbings
• 54:35
  shootings, everything I pushed forward in my life, I got to a
• 54:39
  point where I saw someone getting.
• 54:42
  Think it was either stabbed beaten up and it was that
• 54:45
  turning point in my heart. And I looked at him and I said,
• 54:48
  and I stopped my old friends have liked, stop it, leave him.
• 54:52
  It was like, I am not willing to die nor kill for this for this
• 54:57
  cause And I used to go home every night.
• 55:02
  My mom. I'll see my mom, praying Salat
• 55:04
  Elaine and I was crying. Cause some umbrella, mama was a
• 55:08
  white crying. So I don't know.
• 55:11
  But what kept me going in this journey is the heart and being
• 55:15
  sincere, there was another thing.
• 55:18
  No matter what, sins are committed.
• 55:20
  I've never missed a prayer in my life.
• 55:23
  Like I mean, I would come from the worst places you can think
• 55:26
  of I'll come home and pray. That extent, no matter what
• 55:32
  happened, I continue pushing, I mean, I barely three.
• 55:36
  Kids, three children are very free kids.
• 55:39
  I had a boy and then I had twins even that it never broke me, I
• 55:44
  had to push forward. Yeah.
• 55:45
  But these kind of things. Do they come in Peaks and
• 55:47
  troughs? Like you go through?
• 55:49
  These is these Jihad so you come out stronger.
• 55:54
  You know, speaking to a friend yesterday, he always he told me
• 55:58
  as a son, which stuck with me was a bit.
• 56:00
  Slightly out of context. But he said, he said, I always
• 56:03
  think about the parallel version of me alternative version of me
• 56:07
  in another life where I would have been doing this.
• 56:09
  This and this hat on. And I was a shocker for I've got
• 56:12
  to and where I know I need to improve.
• 56:15
  I'm conscious of that now and I work towards it.
• 56:17
  We're in that generation between 25 and 35.
• 56:20
  We're getting married, we've got young kids handed La.
• 56:23
  We're trying to put bread on the table and more than that.
• 56:27
  We're trying to stain our family provide and protect.
• 56:29
  We talked about this before. The Podcast, bro.
• 56:31
  But we're in that phase of life where we're going to have to
• 56:34
  like pasta is this? Yeah.
• 56:36
  Well we're gonna have to ask. We're gonna have to make ends
• 56:39
  meet and this is the balance bro.
• 56:40
  Like we have we're going to this is going to be our struggle.
• 56:44
  We're going to be asked. What do you do if your family
• 56:45
  like that? Knowledge will come bro.
• 56:47
  That that the skill that you have to consume the knowledge at
• 56:52
  a faster rate than you'll do six hours worth of learning in three
• 56:55
  hours in years to come and shot a lot, of course, and that
• 56:57
  you'll catch up on that. So I don't think it should be
• 56:59
  hard on yourself, honestly. You've come a long way.
• 57:01
  It is. Sorry, brother.
• 57:02
  Say if you said when you're 20 you thought stable Hardy was a
• 57:04
  shower book and now you're 31 but while I don't have no idea
• 57:08
  how you did all that in 11 years.
• 57:11
  If I was you know I there was a especially when covid here we're
• 57:16
  at home, right? Honestly, there was days I would
• 57:20
  read. Probably I'll be in the library
• 57:21
  for about 11 hours. This is whole Blackberry back
• 57:25
  from the morning are homeless. On the morning tonight.
• 57:31
  The only time I wasn't reading socialites a lot, like I would
• 57:34
  even forget to eat, you know, imagine me forgetting T, right?
• 57:37
  I forgot to eat but its to that extent.
• 57:43
  The human, I see like this. What is, what are you really
• 57:49
  worth? If every day you don't develop
• 57:53
  what what what what 100-plus life is it, you don't develop,
• 57:59
  you don't grow, you don't, develop you don't change any for
• 58:02
  the better, we have to wake up. And and reassess what we're
• 58:06
  doing in life is very true and I will come to an end and the
• 58:11
  start, there is one thing Think I want you to share as I, you
• 58:15
  have a project going on. Yeah.
• 58:17
  And it's called purify truth, the purified rupiah.
• 58:20
  And you talk about it. Yeah.
• 58:23
  So we, what we did was I visited.
• 58:28
  So obviously for those that know, my journey more person I
• 58:31
  was with a different organization.
• 58:35
  Problems happened, I start disagreeing.
• 58:37
  And so on I left was a very difficult time in my life
• 58:40
  because that's all I knew. I entered this like World of
• 58:44
  seeking knowledge and so on through you know, this
• 58:48
  organization and so on As I left them, as I left them.
• 58:55
  I, you know, I still felt like there needs to be something
• 58:58
  there. So, I went to Saudi Arabia, in
• 59:03
  2018, I think it was. I said, I went to South.
• 59:06
  Yeah. Oh man.
• 59:07
  I've got stuff another story. Like he's someone.
• 59:18
  I look up to and learn from. And yeah, he kind of motivated
• 59:23
  me the actual name. It was a name that I had from
• 59:29
  years ago. That was like my Twitter name
• 59:30
  from years ago, it was actually a sister that converted to.
• 59:35
  She has. Mm it was like oh why don't you
• 59:38
  do change your name to like the purified?
• 59:39
  Truth was, and yeah, and they started from there and we've
• 59:46
  been like, we translated a mocktail.
• 59:50
  Imam sajjad of what happened in, karbala no one knew about it.
• 59:53
  I don't know. Yeah yeah so we is no one.
• 59:56
  Even the rates on the pulpit it's found in a book called a
• 59:59
  tamale. We translate it now as well
• 1:00:02
  brother could feel and Muhammad translated it for for us.
• 1:00:08
  But yeah, it's found in that book and we translated it out.
• 1:00:14
  The got someone to recite it model a shit.
• 1:00:17
  He recited it. And And we got it sent out in
• 1:00:21
  PDF. Now we published it and I'm
• 1:00:24
  personally working on different projects on translating a one of
• 1:00:27
  our classical Works. Can't say the name to our
• 1:00:30
  release it Cliffhanger. Huh it's a cliffhanger.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah. So yeah and we just continue
• 1:00:36
  pushing from there translating. I decided to only work with
• 1:00:41
  specific Scholars. Because they are Scholars that I
• 1:00:45
  trust their knowledge. I know what they're saying now
• 1:00:48
  that you know, they the best of their ability.
• 1:00:52
  They continue with that standard that they have with, you know,
• 1:00:56
  academic integrity and so on. I work with Chef Ahmed, Salman
• 1:01:01
  said I will Hassan Sheikh, Mohammed rubbish, AR-15 and then
• 1:01:06
  obviously, I'll do some videos in there as well, but like I
• 1:01:09
  said, it's been so busy. I haven't been able to upload a
• 1:01:11
  lot of like, if you more Shahla Berlin, I'll always protect you.
• 1:01:16
  Continue to guide all of us inshaallah and forgive us as
• 1:01:20
  well for for anything we've done.
• 1:01:22
  Not just in in the podcast and for the viewers to forgive us as
• 1:01:26
  well and shall love anything. We said to offend anyone also,
• 1:01:30
  of course, for all of our pasts and all of our if slip-ups,
• 1:01:34
  which are bound to happen, right in the future, for all of us,
• 1:01:38
  but thank you, bro. I think you've really taken
• 1:01:40
  after marketed to kind of nude. Dimension and the sense like we
• 1:01:45
  all do. Thank you so much for your
• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:08
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