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Evil High School Girl Gives Eulogy After Both Parents Shot Dead, Suspect #1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: An evil, high skilled girl gives a heart wrenching eulogy
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  Speaker 2: after both her parents are shot dead. Tonight, she is
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  Speaker 2: suspect number one. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Sarah's five year old sister finds their parents, Kristen and
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  Speaker 3: James Brock, in their bedroom, violently shot to death.
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  Speaker 4: Police discovered no sign of fourth.
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  Speaker 2: Century What happened to two very loving parents? A little
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  Speaker 2: five year old sister finds her parents shot dead.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: On the morning of February twentieth, twenty twenty five, deputies
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  Speaker 5: with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to a tragic
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  Speaker 5: scene at fifteen thirty one Carrollton.
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  Speaker 1: Tie Up Road.
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  Speaker 5: They discovered the bodies of James Brock, forty five and
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  Speaker 5: Kristin Brock, forty one, both deceased from apparent gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 5: Our prayers remain with the families of James and Kristin Brock,
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  Speaker 5: and especially with their young daughter who was home during
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  Speaker 5: this horrific crime. We also want to extend our heartfelt
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  Speaker 5: thanks to the community that has rallied for justice and
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  Speaker 5: has never given up.
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  Speaker 1: Pope.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that everybody is praying for the allegedly evil
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  Speaker 2: high school girl.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't end there.
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  Speaker 2: A gut wrenching, tearful eulogy goes down.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to hear this for those you to know.
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  Speaker 6: My name is Sarah and I'm Kristen Barlock's daughter and
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  Speaker 6: James Block's stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 2: This is an this time.
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  Speaker 7: Term with me because I started a while. I just
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  Speaker 7: wanted to say five named.
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  Speaker 8: Jamie since she ever got to genius to that, guys
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  Speaker 8: always that I never thought to be here.
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  Speaker 2: John, Now that's wrong, Kristin Data's Facebook. I'm sorry I
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  Speaker 2: was distracted because I'm trying to count how many times
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  Speaker 2: she said me, me, me, me, me, me, I, I
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  Speaker 2: I I.
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  Speaker 1: I ME during a eulogy for her parents.
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  Speaker 2: And I heard a lot of but I did see
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  Speaker 2: any actual tears and definitely no snot with me. An
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  Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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  Speaker 2: right now. But before I go to Katie Forrester UH
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  Speaker 2: Exclusives editor us Son investigative reporter, let me first start
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  Speaker 2: with doctor William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid
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  Speaker 2: treatment expert, author of American Narcan and so much more.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor moroney, why did she say a parent gun shot wounds?
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  Speaker 2: When people are shot multiple times?
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  Speaker 1: You know it.
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  Speaker 2: You walk into a room, I've done it, gone into
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  Speaker 2: a crime scene and somebody's head is basically blown off,
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  Speaker 2: or they're shot and their chest is wide open, or
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  Speaker 2: their intestines are hanging out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you don't have to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Medical examiner like you, or a toxicologist or a pathologist
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  Speaker 2: to know somebody's been shot.
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  Speaker 4: The adjective or the adverb that you would use a
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  Speaker 4: parent is completely inappropriate. It doesn't address scientific frankness and
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  Speaker 4: truth period.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I could have gotten any guy on
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  Speaker 2: the street to say it's not true. Okay, could you
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  Speaker 2: you're the medical examiner. I was expecting something medically, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Medically, we have blunt force injuries, we have sharp force injury,
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  Speaker 4: and we have gun gunshounds that we consider contact or
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  Speaker 4: not contact. And the only time we ever use the
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  Speaker 4: word a parent is if somebody is burnt to a
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  Speaker 4: crisp and you can't figure out whether the hole is
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  Speaker 4: a hole from a bullet or a hole from other trauma.
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  Speaker 4: When we have gunshot wounds. The first thing we do
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  Speaker 4: is we look closely at the close and closely at
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  Speaker 4: the skin, and if there's char that goes around the wound,
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  Speaker 4: that means that the gun was contact on the skin.
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  Speaker 4: That is never an accident, it's premeditated and it's homicide.
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  Speaker 4: After that, you may have some blowback on clothes, but
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  Speaker 4: contact gun gunshot wounds are really important because they show
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  Speaker 4: intent and motive. What we see people add adjectives and
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  Speaker 4: add adverbs to distract and we want to use candor.
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  Speaker 4: Candor is truth with direction, and we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Get out that is much more than I get off
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  Speaker 2: a guy on the street.
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  Speaker 1: Bottom line, marony.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that when a victim like these two
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  Speaker 2: mom and dad are shot in their own room multiple times,
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  Speaker 2: even a lawyer like me, a try a lawyer can
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  Speaker 2: walk in and see they were shot. It doesn't take
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  Speaker 2: a pH d And a specialty in toxicology and pathology
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  Speaker 2: to figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: It's very clear. What do you know about the wounds
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  Speaker 1: to these two victims, a.
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  Speaker 2: Very loving mom and dad. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Katie about this. The dad was waiting
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  Speaker 2: on a heart transplant. And he was still cutting the
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  Speaker 2: grass or vacuuming at the local church, very very loving
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  Speaker 2: to the alleged evil high school girls stepdaughter. So, doctor Moroney,
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  Speaker 2: what can you tell me about their injuries?
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  Speaker 4: I think the multiple gunshots is always telling versus a
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  Speaker 4: single gunshot. That really it totally relates to some kind
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  Speaker 4: of crime of passion. There's a lot of hatred, there's
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  Speaker 4: a disruption. This may actually be a sign of mental
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  Speaker 4: illness or I hate to use the term drug addiction.
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  Speaker 2: Dear Lord in Heaven, you've been on your opioid bus
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  Speaker 2: for way too long. Maroney has a bus, put his
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  Speaker 2: money where his mouth is, and he travels to enlighten
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  Speaker 2: and help and treat opioid addicts, saving a lot of lives. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't you a medical examiner.
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  Speaker 2: That's a yes, no, Maroni, a medical examiner, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Maroni, it's a yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That means you have a medical degree. Correct, that's a yes, Maroni,
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  Speaker 2: yes okay. And you are a topsychologist anti pathologist.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: I work with forensic toxicology and my work is pathology,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not of the pathologist. I'm medical examiner. Same close.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, at any point did you receive your PhD in
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  Speaker 2: psychology or psychiatry.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I own a clinic. I am.
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  Speaker 2: So you're trying to tell me right now, but multiple
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  Speaker 2: gunshot wounds, the bodies literally hanging open, that you can
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  Speaker 2: tell me there.
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  Speaker 1: Was a mental illness on the part of the shooter.
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  Speaker 1: How just plain out, mean girl?
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  Speaker 4: Ayear old problems, behavioral problems that kids today are so
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  Speaker 4: messed up. Between COVID and LLANSI just we mental illness
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  Speaker 4: cannot be.
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  Speaker 2: You just threw COVID in the bag with TikTok. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they're similar at all. By the way, I'm
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  Speaker 2: petting you on TikTok tonight. Okay, so you're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok. Dr Maroney, you know what, let's just get
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  Speaker 2: a grip on reality really quickly. First of all, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to go back to Maroney when I need a
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  Speaker 2: medical opinion. Katie Forrester is with US Assistant Exclusives editor
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  Speaker 2: us Son. She covers true crime all the time and
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  Speaker 2: is intimately versed in this case. Katie Forrester, please enlighten
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  Speaker 2: us about the murders themselves. The let me be more specific,
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  Speaker 2: the injury sustained by this mom and dad.
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  Speaker 4: The horrific.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I think you put it right there where
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  Speaker 9: you said there's a lot of me, me me in
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  Speaker 9: the posts that she'd done since then, the way she'd acted,
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  Speaker 9: there's a lot of narcissism there. Obviously, she is pleaded
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  Speaker 9: not guilty, and we know the Menandez brothers. You know,
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  Speaker 9: we've seen this happen before, where someone has murdered their
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  Speaker 9: own parents. Usually they cannot help but confind in someone.
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  Speaker 10: It seems she didn't.
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  Speaker 9: If she do this. Her friends and family are supporting her.
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  Speaker 9: She's sending text messages thanking them for their support.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, there's certainly something mental.
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  Speaker 1: Katie, Katie Forrester. Look at your monitor.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see the video again with all the
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  Speaker 2: black coming down her face and all the snart. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I don't see any of that at
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  Speaker 2: the funeral. Guys, let's take another tiny listen to miss
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  Speaker 2: Thing giving her parents eulogy. Notice there's no black mascara
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  Speaker 2: and eyeliner just streaming down her face. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: that video you just saw us from Kristin Dadas Facebook.
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  Speaker 11: Let's watch for James, Thank you for all the life
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  Speaker 11: lessons you taught me, and for being the best.
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  Speaker 6: Son instead ever you're her will finding be in heaven
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  Speaker 6: and neither of them will be any pain anymore.
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  Speaker 7: Although that gives me so much comfort.
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  Speaker 1: Your life is also I've got to analyze her words.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, and the first tiny clip I showed you,
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  Speaker 2: that's from Kristin Dadas Facebook. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
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  Speaker 2: eleven and I'm not through county and just two sentences,
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  Speaker 2: three sentences, eleven times.
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  Speaker 1: I are me. Now we're hearing more for James, that's
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  Speaker 1: your stepfather.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for all the life lessons you taught me
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  Speaker 2: and being the best funnest nineteen twenty Dad ever, your
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  Speaker 2: heart will finally be healed in heaven. Okay, and you
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  Speaker 2: will not be in pain anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay? One more tiny listen.
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  Speaker 12: And for my mother.
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  Speaker 7: Everything we went through is not to find what kind
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  Speaker 7: of person, what kind of mother you were?
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  Speaker 8: You read youautiful kind soul with so much gratitude and
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  Speaker 8: so good James, and you taught me so many life
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  Speaker 8: lessons and somebody you just recently told me the letter
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  Speaker 8: you sent to James in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 7: When I first read it, rest cried.
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  Speaker 8: I got your books, But every single time I read
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  Speaker 8: it it puts me a whole lot of peace.
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  Speaker 2: There you see a gut wrenching eulogy by a daughter
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  Speaker 2: left orphan after her mom and stepdad.
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  Speaker 1: Are brutally murdered. That was from Kristen Dada's Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: Katie Forrester described to me where mom and stepdad were murdered.
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  Speaker 9: So they were murdered in that home. It was in
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  Speaker 9: the middle of the night. And the most disturbing thing
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  Speaker 9: about this story, apart from the fact that somebody might
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  Speaker 9: murder their own parents, is that the five year old
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  Speaker 9: daughter of.
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  Speaker 10: Kristin was the one to discover the bodies. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: you just it's horrific.
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  Speaker 9: I can't imagine, you know what, whether she would remember
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  Speaker 9: this growing up, or you know, whether she's going to
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  Speaker 9: have to have trauma counseling. If Sarah brace Patrick did
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  Speaker 9: do this, the fact that she would let her younger
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  Speaker 9: daughter find the bodies.
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  Speaker 10: Is just beyond So, yeah, they were brutals.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Katie. Take a listen.
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  Speaker 6: Five your old niece pus In woke up, walk up
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  Speaker 6: to fat their parents lifeless.
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  Speaker 7: The trauma is innocent child walking for the rest of
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  Speaker 7: her life is unfathomable.
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  Speaker 12: On the morning of Thursday, February twentieth, the five year
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  Speaker 12: old daughter of Jamie and Kristin Brock goes to her parents'
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  Speaker 12: bedroom to wake up. Not understanding what she sees, the
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  Speaker 12: child runs to her older sister, sixteen year old Sarah
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  Speaker 12: Grace Patrick, who immediately calls nine one one. The five
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  Speaker 12: year old has discovered her mother and father dead in
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  Speaker 12: their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On the phone
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  Speaker 12: with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the dispatcher if
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  Speaker 12: the bodies are cold to the touch, pass the need
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  Speaker 12: to do CPR Box five, Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Days after the murder, Sarah begins posting tearful tiktoks and
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  Speaker 3: sends messages to true crime influencers asking them to look
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  Speaker 3: into the death of her parents, claiming it would be
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  Speaker 3: a really big hit.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm projecting that when I became a crime victim,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep much less post on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a very special guest. Who
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  Speaker 2: are we are calling Janice? You may know her as
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  Speaker 2: allegedly reportedly on TikTok janis thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: You We're approached. We believe by Sarah Grace Patrick what happened?
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  Speaker 13: That is correct. On June third, I got a message
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  Speaker 13: from Sarah Gracepatrick that just said, search up the brockcase.
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  Speaker 13: And the only rock that came to my mind was
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  Speaker 13: Brock Turner. So I asked what brockcase, and she explained
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  Speaker 13: that it was the unsolved murders of her parents. As
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  Speaker 13: she put it, I later learned it with her mother
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  Speaker 13: and stepfather. On June third, she asked me to shine
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  Speaker 13: a light on this case. On June fourth, she offered
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  Speaker 13: to email me photos of the victims and her version
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  Speaker 13: of events. On June fifth, I did post a video
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  Speaker 13: about this unfold case, and Sarah Grace began commenting on
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  Speaker 13: that video.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the video that you posted.
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  Speaker 13: I posted a video similar to any video I would
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  Speaker 13: post about an unfold case. I had compassion for this
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  Speaker 13: young girl that lost her parents, and I just wanted
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  Speaker 13: to do anything I could to spread awareness. So I
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  Speaker 13: laid out the facts that there were and asked if
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  Speaker 13: anyone had information to get in touch with law enforcements.
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  Speaker 11: Their children found them no longer alive. I cannot imagine
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  Speaker 11: the trauma. This case is still unsolved, and it needs
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  Speaker 11: more attention, and it needs closure. This is James and
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  Speaker 11: Kristin Brock. James forty five years old and Kristin forty
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  Speaker 11: one years old, were a beloved couple in Carroll County, Georgia.
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  Speaker 11: They were active in their church and their friends and
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  Speaker 11: family just absolutely adored them. But on February twentieth, twenty
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  Speaker 11: twenty five, their lives were cut short. And like I said,
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  Speaker 11: it was their children that found them.
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  Speaker 1: Early that morning.
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  Speaker 11: Their children made a horrifying discovery. To my understanding. The
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  Speaker 11: five year old first went into the room, noticed something
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  Speaker 11: was off, and she went and got her sixteen year
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  Speaker 11: old sister, who went into the room tried to wake
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  Speaker 11: her parents up, and when she touched her mother's hand,
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  Speaker 11: she saw that it was cold, so she called nine
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  Speaker 11: to one one and they came out, and unfortunately there
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  Speaker 11: was nothing that could be done. James and Kristen were gone. Allegedly,
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  Speaker 11: there were no signs of forced entrgue, nothing was missing
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  Speaker 11: from the home, and the weapon that had been used
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  Speaker 11: could not be located, so it was determined that this
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  Speaker 11: was not a case where one of them took the
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  Speaker 11: other one's life and then took their own.
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  Speaker 2: So Janis, you were fed all those facts by whom.
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  Speaker 13: By Sarah Grace. There had been very little coverage so far,
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  Speaker 13: so I took what she told me at face value. Again,
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  Speaker 13: I viewed her as this poor child. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 13: being in that situation. And then a month later I
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  Speaker 13: was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever see her Mini Meani tiktoks that she
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  Speaker 2: posted about her parents' murders.
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  Speaker 13: I did, And I have to be honest, I think
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  Speaker 13: I can lean too heavily into compassion and empathy. But
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  Speaker 13: my husband immediately felt that something was off with this girl.
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  Speaker 13: I told him that he should have more empathy. How
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  Speaker 13: could he think that? But between her videos and the
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  Speaker 13: email that she sent me, and the way that she
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  Speaker 13: said in her messages to me, this will be a
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  Speaker 13: big hit. He said, something smells funny, and I just said, no.
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  Speaker 13: You know, maybe we just don't remember what it's like
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  Speaker 13: to be a teenager, and we don't know how a
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  Speaker 13: teenager would react to this. But looking back, I should
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  Speaker 13: have seen so many red flags.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, she actually said to you quote
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  Speaker 2: this will be a big hit.
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  Speaker 1: What will be a big hit?
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  Speaker 13: Yes, when she was asking me to make a video,
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  Speaker 13: she said, this will be a big hit. Hardly anyone
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  Speaker 13: has covered it. The one person that did is the
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  Speaker 13: number one search result on Google. So that why in
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  Speaker 13: the world, if your parents' lives were taken, why would
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  Speaker 13: you be thinking about views, whether they're your own or
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  Speaker 13: someone else's. It should only be about awareness and answers.
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  Speaker 13: So that one I do regret not seeing as a
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  Speaker 13: red flag immediately. But yeah, she said this will be
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  Speaker 13: a big hit.
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  Speaker 2: So Katie Forrester joining us is close as editor covering
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  Speaker 2: true crime. Katie, how many tiktoks did this girl post?
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  Speaker 1: Many? I think dozens over the time.
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  Speaker 9: There are a lot of, like you said, me, me,
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  Speaker 9: me posts, attention seeking. I mean, as somebody who's lost
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  Speaker 9: a parent, this is just not how you act when
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  Speaker 9: you lose a parent.
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  Speaker 1: You know a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, that's an interesting point, Katie Forrester, and
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  Speaker 2: I would go to our new psychiatrist, doctor William Maroney,
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  Speaker 2: but let me stick with the tried and true doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Sue Kornblouth joining US family relationship expert, owner of doctor
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  Speaker 2: Sue and you, author of Building Self Esteem in Children
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  Speaker 2: and Teens, Doctor Sue, thank you for being with us now.
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  Speaker 2: Is that normal? And of course normal doesn't really apply
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  Speaker 2: when both of your parents have been murdered under the
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  Speaker 2: roof with you down the hall asleep along with your
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  Speaker 2: little sister. Is that normal for a crime victim like
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Grace Patrick to start posting endless tiktoks and saying
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  Speaker 2: things like, hey, post.
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  Speaker 1: This and it'll be a big hit. It's number one
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  Speaker 1: on Google.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Nancy, come on you.
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  Speaker 14: Between you and I that sounds absolutely ridiculous, and it is.
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  Speaker 7: When you're grieving the loss of your parent.
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  Speaker 14: Most times, teens will grieve quietly inside themselves. They will
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  Speaker 14: sleep a lot. They will, you know, have symptoms of
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  Speaker 14: stomach problems or headaches or things like that. They'll go
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  Speaker 14: into some kind of isolation because grieving as a teen
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  Speaker 14: is very difficult. They're not in normal situations going on
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  Speaker 14: TikTok or calling reporters to post a story that sensationalizes
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  Speaker 14: the death of their parents.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely not normal crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm just thinking through the crime scene they were
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: found in their bedroom when police arrived. The mom and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: stepbad both cold to the touch. Doctor William Moroney, back
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: in your wheelhouse, Let's keep it that way, Doctor Mroney Guys,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner and author of American Narcan Doctor Moroney,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: What does that mean that they were already ice cold
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to the touch at the.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Time they were discovered? They were ambient temperature that's, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: seventy two seventy three seventy four degrees. Your body's ninety
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: eight point six. When your temperature in the room is
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: ninety two ninety or seventy two seventy three seventy four
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: degrees and the body temperature is ninety eight, you're looking
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: at about nineteen eighty two twenty three degree drop. That
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: takes about three hours three hours between when they were
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: shot and when they were discovered.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So about three hours.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: We know they were in their bedroom, we know there
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was we believe there was the air conditioner going, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: it was around seventy one to seventy three degrees.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That's not cold.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So how would that ambiyond temp in the room affect
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the temperature of the bodies or would it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: A really good medical exam scene will have an ambient
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: temperature and a skin temperature, and then they'll a core
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: temperature into the abdomen or liver, and that will also
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: show you how fast the temperature is dropping with air conditioning.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I still guess you know if okay, what did you
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: just say.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: You said, get a temp in the abdomen. Do you
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: have to slice the body upen to do that?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: No, you stick a needle in, stick stick a pro
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and they'll see what temperature the liver is. And then
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: you'll see the outside of the bodies this, and the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: inside of the bodies this, and you'll still come up with,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: you know, three or three and a half hours. They
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: were discovered at five o'clock in the morning and the
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: police got there. They were probably shot between one or
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: two o'clock in the morning, just after midnight.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Doctor Maroney.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I was pulling your leg earlier about you not being
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: a psychiatrist. Doctor Maroney, you're brilliant, and I know that
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: all of that is so.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Paste at an operating procedure. For you, you just reel
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it off.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But to the rest of us, the what you do
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and the way you do it and the way you
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: explain it is amazing because see I was thinking as
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: a lay person that the temp of the room, the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: ambiance temperature in the room, would affect the timp of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the body. Why do I care? Because I'm trying to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: figure out when they were killed and I've got a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: reason for that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It's probe, but if.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It means something to me, and I just learned how
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you can put a needle a probe into the abdomen,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: get the internal organ temp.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Then you compute with the.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Body timp, the skin temp, you factor in the ambion temp,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and you get how long they've been dead. And this
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: is why I'm asking to Ryan Brown joining as a
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: veteran criminal defense attorney at Jryanbrownlaw dot com. Ryan, what
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: would you do if the perp had murdered her mother
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a stepfather and then just went back to her room,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: pulled the covers up, and waited for her little sister
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to prance in there, Mommy, daddy wake up and find
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: their head blown off. So she laid there for how long?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: That's where Maroney comes in two or three hours. She
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: laid there and just waited. It's like waiting to go
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: in on Christmas morning and see what's in your stocking.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: She just laid there and waited for the little sister
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to find her mom and dad dead.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 15: The first thing I'm saying anytime is we have no
• 24:42
  Speaker 15: idea whether she was the one that shot them or not,
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: So starting any question with that, we don't know that
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: to be true yet. And the second thing I'm doing
• 24:49
  Speaker 15: as her lawyer is going through these victims passed and
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: finding somebody we can blame for this right, who else
• 24:54
  Speaker 15: had the motive, who else had to dispute with these folks,
• 24:57
  Speaker 15: who else had beef with them in some way? And
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: that's going to be my strategy of the entire time,
• 25:01
  Speaker 15: is reminding people as frequently as possible. We have no
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: idea whether she's the one that pulled the trigger yet,
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: and we're looking for other suspects that we can point
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: the finger at as I some other dude did at
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: defense as the case proceeds.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, you a Ryan Brown.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's something I like about you. You just put it
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: out there. I'm looking for somebody else to blame people.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You just said it, and it's true, and every good
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: defense attorney knows that you won't say that into in front.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Of the jury.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, we're looking for anybody to blame here. But you're right,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: nothing has been proven. This so called evil high school
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: girl is innocent. As we go to air tonight. She
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I'm very, very curious to Janice, a well known TikToker
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: under the name allegedly reportedly I love that, Janie, when
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you interacted with Sarah Grace Patrick.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: What was her demeanor?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I see all the crying, snodding, eyeliner photos
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: she posted, but what were your interactions with her?
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: She just came off as desperate for people to cover
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: this case. And what I find very interesting, I've heard
• 26:19
  Speaker 13: a lot of victim blaming going on, but everything Sarah
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: Grace told me about her parents is that they were wonderful.
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: They were amazing people. So she came across as someone
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: who lost to people that she treasured.
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: Carrol County Sheriff's Department are on the scene in minutes
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: and began looking over the scene that doesn't show any
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: sign of forced entry. Just adore this seems a bit
• 26:39
  Speaker 16: of jar. Investigators spend all day at the home coming
• 26:42
  Speaker 16: the residence for evidence, speaking with neighbors, and searching for
• 26:45
  Speaker 16: surveillance video.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: The brutality in these murders is not in dispute.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: My family and I have seen the death certificates, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: although we are not aware of exactly how many shots
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: were fired, we do know that there were more gunshots.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Both Jamie and.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Christen my friends at Fox five Atlanta, Awie, Ryan Brown,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Bryan Brown. No forced entry, nothing stolen, no sex attack, nothing,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So someone just walks into the home. I mean, you're
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: looking for somebody to blame. The sawd defense, sod some
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: other dude did it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with that?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: They didn't steal the car, they didn't steal the TV,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the video recorder, the diamond rings, and then no cash, no.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Guns, nothing's taken, nothing's missing. So the phantom creeps in.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Or maybe he flew in. Maybe it's a she secretly
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you know what. Let's go with Ninja dressed all in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: black like Jody Arius claimed, Ninja dressed all in black, sneaks.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: In on Timmatoo's.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Does it take anything? Doesn't anybody does? And even steal
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the car, does it make a sound? No forced entry,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: kills mom and dad and leaves. That's your theory.
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: So the Saudi defense, you've got it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I find it to be.
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: Very successful unless you can really pinpoint somebody. In the
• 28:15
  Speaker 15: case like this, the defense has got to find somebody
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: that was known to the victims, if that would help
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: explain the no force jury as well. Right, who did
• 28:23
  Speaker 15: they know that they would have welcomed into the home,
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: maybe not welcomed, but would have maybe let in the house,
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: or would have had access to the house or known
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: their way around the house that had some sort of motive.
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: I think just saying hey, state, prove it wasn't anybody
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: random is going to be unsuccessful. But they're going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 15: have to really pendpoint someone with motive that could have
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: entered the house without forced injury, would have had no
• 28:44
  Speaker 15: motive to commit a sexual act of violence or a
• 28:47
  Speaker 15: robbery or anything like that, and say, okay, State, now.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: The burden's on you.
• 28:50
  Speaker 15: We've given you this alternative suspects or two. Now you
• 28:53
  Speaker 15: rule them out.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: So, Ryan Brown, you're completely correct, And even under US
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court rulings and in this jurisdiction Georgia Supreme Court rulings,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the defense can't just say, oh, well, there were some
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: other break ins in the area, so that was them. No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you're right, you got to have a particular person to blame.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Here's a great example. Brian Coburger was desperately looking for
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: somebody else to blame, and now we find out he
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: planned to blame one of the victim's friends. Yeah, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: crucify that innocent person. Yeah, there has to be a person.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: He just can't go in and claim, Hey, we think
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the burglar from down the street did it. He's never
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: been apprehended, but I'm pretty sure it was him. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: can't put that to a jury. You're right, Ryan Brown,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You got to have a.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Specific some other dude did it. But then, as you know, Ryan.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: The suspects behavior before, during, and after the incident can
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: come before the jury. I hope you're sitting down for this, listen.
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: Sarah Grace Patrick spends a lot of time on TikTok,
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: creating content and asking for other influencers to keep the
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: case alive and solve the murders of her mother and stepdad.
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: As weeks dragged by with no arrest, she's engaging with
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: true crime creators in an effort to get them to
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: cover the story. The odd grab for attention is not
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: lost on family members, who now see many things Sarah
• 30:24
  Speaker 16: Grace has done as red.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Flags crime stories with Nancy Grace. So while she's busy talking,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Ryan Brown, how do you think a jury, if there
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: ever is one, is going to respond to her spending
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: all of her time in full hair and makeup tiktoking. Oh,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of course, except for the ones where she gets in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: full hair and makeup and then starts crying and snotting. Remember,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: she had to put on all that hair and makeup
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: before she could cry it all off. So in the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: days following mommy and Daddy's assassination in the home with
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: her down the hall, she gets some full hair and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: makeup and then cries it off on TikTok.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: How do you think that'll set Ryan Brown?
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: Well, I think it's going to be very important for
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: the jury to know. Hey, look, we're talking about victim
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: blaming your husband a lot of that. She's a victim.
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: In our theory. This can blame her for how she's grieving.
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: We're not going to blame her for how she's acting,
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: how she's dressing, how she's crying, whether there's not tears, sniffles,
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: whatever it may be. She's a victim too. Her her parents,
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: step parent were murdered. Don't judge, don't you know, blame
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: her for how she's reacting. Don't put the blame on this.
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: She is a sixteen year old. Nobody on the jury
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: is a world. You don't know how sixteen year old
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: is going to grieve. Let's focus on the real issue here.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: You can remember I remember being sixteen, and even at sixteen,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the highlight of my day is when my mom would
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: pull up the driveway and toot the horn coming home
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: from work.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: If there ever is a jury trial, they're going to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: remember that too. And Janie, didn't you just tell us?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Janis is allegedly reportedly on TikTok, who was approached by
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Sarah Grace Patrick no question about it, saying hey, hey, hey,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: can I get a little pr about my mom and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: dad's brutal murder.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It'll be a really big hit. It's number one on Google. Janis,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: isn't that true?
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: Absolutely? And then she began commenting things on the video
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: I posted. Someone asked what weapon would used in this
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: crime and she replied with a gun emoji. Someone said that,
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: you know, from an investigative standpoint, it seems like this
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: would have been someone that knew the family, and Sarah
• 32:40
  Speaker 13: Grace replied and said, it sure would seem like it
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: because they knew the house very haunting.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Oh oh man, oh man.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: You know what, every once in a while, Chris Bayer
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is joining me PI, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: former police chief John's Creek, Georgia. Chris Buyers, don't you
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: love it when Heaven just drops evidence in your lap?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You don't even have to look for it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Come on, you just heard Janice aka also known as
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: allegedly reportedly on TikTok where basically Sarah Grace Patrick is
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: giving the police all the information as if they couldn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: find it themselves. They did, but had to be somebody
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that knew the house, had to be somebody that had.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Been in there before. Put this a little gun emoji.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: When someone asked what was the murder weapon, which, by
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the way, was never found, Chris Buyers, she might as
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: well just give an all out confession.
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, very narcissistic and wants to be the center of attention,
• 33:48
  Speaker 17: and she just laid out everything that the police needed.
• 33:52
  Speaker 17: Of Course, like you said, they would have found it anyway,
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: that would be the first things that they're looking at.
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: But yeah, thank you. For helping us out making our
• 34:00
  Speaker 17: investigation even easier.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You know. Another issue is then in the midst all
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: of this, the eulogy begins to be analyzed online. The
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: eulogy that Sarah Grace Patrick so gut wrenchingly delivered about
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: her parents.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: Sarah Grace Patrick's eulogy is captured on cell phone camera,
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: and many who watch it suggests the speech is a
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: red flag. Jamie Brock's niece, Kristin Dauta says she sat
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: in the front row during the service and even though
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: Sarah Grace's voice sounded like she was crying, Kristin never
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: saw a tear. Kristin Douda finds the cell phone video
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: online and shares it on her personal Facebook page.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Katie Forrester joining US Investigative Reporter Assistant Exclusives editor, What
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: did you observe and what was noticed by others regarding
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: her eulogy? I mean that takes technical legal term.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You may not be familiar with this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Katie Forrester bars the size of coconuts to get up
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: on that stage and eulogize the parents that police believe
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: she murdered in cold blood as they're asleep.
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: I mean I think there are a lot of teenagers
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: that wouldn't even be able to get up to speak regardless,
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: even if they hadn't murdered their own parents. I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: it takes a lot of confidence to get up there,
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: so to then get up there and make most of
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: the speech about yourself, and then also at the end,
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: the thing that police had mentioned was that at the
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: end she said something like I'm sorry or she said sorry,
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: and that was sort of out of place, and officials
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: have said that that was another red flag. But just
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: the way she spoke about them and the way she
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: was talking about herself d'Or in it, you know, And
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: I can't.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: What it must have been like for people watching that
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: who were already suspicious of her, because we know that
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: the parents, their family and friends were already thinking that
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: she may be responsible.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: To doctor William Roney, joining US renowned medical examiner to psychologist,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: opioid treatment expert, and author, doctor Maroney, I want to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: talk again. I want to come back to the wounds
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: with gunshot wounds. How would you determine if there were
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: defensive wounds? What I'm getting at, doctor, is were they
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: executed in their sleep?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Or did they wake up and try to protect themselves.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Because we have sheets and blankets, you would have arms covered.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: If gunshot residue is on hands, then they tried to
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: protect themselves and there were defensive posturing. If somebody has
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: a plain, simple frank, uncomplicated char gunshot wounds to the
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: chest and there's no gunshot residue on hands, there was
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: no defensive posturing.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know, at the risk of being called very slow,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: could you say that again. I just want to make
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: sure I understand what you're saying.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: How can you tell if there were defensive ones.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: If they test the hands of the victims and the
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: hands of the victims have gunshot residue on them, but
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the hands were in the bed, then it's just like
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: this truffle powder. There's powder that's gunshot, powder, nitrates, sulfurs
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: on the victims hands the hands were up. If the
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: hands are under sheets and blankets and there's no powder
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: on the hands, then they were shot, plain, simple frank
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: execution without any defensive posturing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: You know, this came up in the Brian Coburger case,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Doctor Maroney. We were originally led to believe that all
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: four of those beautiful young University i'd host students were
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: all murdered in their sleep. Then we find out after
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the plea deal that they fought for their lives. Many
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of them fought for their lives and one vic well
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: two one Kelly Gonsalves, was stabbed so many times in
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the face she was disfigured. Another victim got up to
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: fifty stab ones. They were not killed in their sleep,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: as if that's somehow better. If this mom and dad
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: had been murdered in their sleep, what would you have
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: expected to find at the scene.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Very clearly, the gunshot on the skin would have had
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: no barriers, no resistance, and you'll find a round, charred
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: like tattoo, shaped exactly like the muzzle and the barrel
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: of the gun. It gets so hot it burns on
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the skin, burns the shape of the gun on a
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: contact wound, and it's it's not something you can brush off.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: It's burned. That would be a wound that has absolutely
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: no defensive posturing. Something. Plus, when the round enters the
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: body in a contact wound, gas from the barrel goes
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: in and it's it spreads the skin. We call a
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: stellate lesions. Stell eate means star like. It's kind of
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: a Latin term. And those sellate lesions prove that you
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: press that gun onto the neck or the chest or
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the abdomen, and you blue gas into the skin and
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: it explodes as it goes in. Those are no defense,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent execution style charred stellate lesions.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So, doctor Moroney, gunshot residue, as you pointed out with
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: your truffle, powder can dissipate with just being rubbed off
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  Speaker 2: very easily. But the tattooing from the hot gun and
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  Speaker 2: the searing of the skin that cannot be brushed off, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you not physically are burned. This would you expect to
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  Speaker 2: find as to the regarding the position of the bodies
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  Speaker 2: if Mom and Dad had been shot in their sleep.
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  Speaker 4: Well, another thing that I've seen on site is that
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  Speaker 4: if somebody is more animate or alive, they're moving around,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes the bullets buff the ribs or the bones
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  Speaker 4: of the spine. When somebody's pressed into the bed, the
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  Speaker 4: bullet will go through the person, through the bed and
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  Speaker 4: into the floor. So having an animate body moving around
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  Speaker 4: oftentimes means you're not going to get a gun shot
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  Speaker 4: through the bed and into the carpet and into the floor.
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  Speaker 4: A body that's asleep is not cassing any resistance back,
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  Speaker 4: and all the power goes through the bullet, through the body,
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  Speaker 4: through the bed, and into the floor. That's another big
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  Speaker 4: sign when people are shot while they're sleeping.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor William Roney A technical and a subtle but important question.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, and the jody areas multiple stabbing murder Travis
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  Speaker 2: Alexander twenty nine to thirty one stas, we don't really
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  Speaker 2: know because the stabs were overlapping, and that's like stabbing jello.
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  Speaker 2: You can't really tell how many times he was stabbed then.
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  Speaker 1: Shot in the head.
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  Speaker 2: Unlike stabbings, when someone is shot multiple times while on
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  Speaker 2: the outside of the body, you may not be able
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  Speaker 2: to tell how many gunshot wounds there were if they overlapped.
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  Speaker 2: Inside the body, you can tell because the trajectory paths
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  Speaker 2: of the bullets will be different, even though the outside
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  Speaker 2: of the body may be mangled. Inside the body, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the path of the bullet, you'll see
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  Speaker 2: distinct paths and you can tell how many times each
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  Speaker 2: victim was shot.
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 13: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: What we have in the autopsy suite is usually it's
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  Speaker 4: like an aluminum rod. Sometimes it's a plastic rod. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: it's something that you might see in the garden shop Walmart,
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  Speaker 4: and it's about this big. We begin with the end
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  Speaker 4: at the point of the barrel, and then you pass
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  Speaker 4: the rod through the body according to how many different shots.
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  Speaker 4: You have to see what angle they all went at,
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  Speaker 4: and that's how you'll follow because every single bullet has
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  Speaker 4: to be accounted. And in a hospital setting, a smart
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  Speaker 4: pathologist will send that body to radiology and they'll image
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  Speaker 4: all the bullets in the body, or or they'll have
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a mobile radiology come with a digital camera. And before
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  Speaker 4: you do the autopsy, if you never have the gun,
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  Speaker 4: if you never have the shell casings, you have the
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  Speaker 4: number of bullets to count from X rays and that's
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  Speaker 4: how you go through and every path is with the rod.
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  Speaker 4: And at the end of your X ray you have
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  Speaker 4: to account because you don't know how many times the
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  Speaker 4: gun was fired if you're never going to get the gun,
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  Speaker 4: and you still have to say shot number one, shot
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  Speaker 4: number two, shot number three, and you follow the path
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  Speaker 4: of the bullet by the rods and how many different rods,
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  Speaker 4: and then you actually look at deformation. You know a
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  Speaker 4: bullet that bounces off of ribs, it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: smashed up. A bullet that goes only through soft tissue
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  Speaker 4: is going to be less deformed. But you follow them
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  Speaker 4: all with rods point of entry, and you begin with
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  Speaker 4: X rays.
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  Speaker 2: The point is how many times did she allege reportedly
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: shoot her parents.
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  Speaker 5: From the very moment the nine one one call was received,
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  Speaker 5: a relentless investigation began, one that would span months, consume
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  Speaker 5: thousands of man hours, and require the full weight of
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: the local and federal law enforcement agency partnerships. Today we
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: can confirm that an arrest has been made in the case.
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  Speaker 5: Kristen Brock's seventeen year old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, has
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  Speaker 5: been taken into custody and charged with two counts of
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: murder and two counts of aggravated assault in connection with
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: the death of her mother and her stepfather.
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  Speaker 6: The defendant is charged with the brutal murders of my
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  Speaker 6: brother Technique and my sister in law while they were
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  Speaker 6: lying in their bed.
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  Speaker 18: Shot multiple times, including both shot.
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  Speaker 1: From Fox five Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, the first thing the so called evil
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  Speaker 2: high school girl does is try to get bond listen
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  Speaker 2: personal safety.
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  Speaker 7: If the defendant can kill her own parents. Is such
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  Speaker 7: a violent.
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  Speaker 6: Villain man a fear from own safety and safety in
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  Speaker 6: my family and friends.
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  Speaker 7: The possibility that she can harm us is terrifying.
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  Speaker 19: I am deeply concerned for the safety of my family.
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  Speaker 19: The gruesome and violent details of this case have shown
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  Speaker 19: me that the defendant has a disturbing lack of regard
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  Speaker 19: for human life. If someone is capable of what happened here,
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  Speaker 19: then I can not ignore the real possibility that she
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  Speaker 19: could pose a threat to those of us left behind,
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  Speaker 19: especially she.
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  Speaker 2: Were released on bond from our friends Fox five Atlanta,
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  Speaker 2: Katie Forrester, Yes, no, she was denied bond, right, yes
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  Speaker 2: she was, and.
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  Speaker 7: We all expected that.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, these charges are so strong, and police do not,
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  Speaker 10: you know, arrest somebody and put together so many charges
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  Speaker 10: for a seventeen year.
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  Speaker 9: Old if they don't have a lot of evidence, as
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  Speaker 9: I've said in the.
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  Speaker 2: Press commerce and then of course Katie Katie, immediately when
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Barna's denied, she started the crying and the snarting, right
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  Speaker 2: I've always We've got a video of the crying and
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  Speaker 2: crying throughout.
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  Speaker 9: I think there was kind of more crocodile tea is
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  Speaker 9: when people were giving witness statements. When they were talking
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  Speaker 9: about her character statements, she was she was sort of
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: it looked to me like sort of fake crying throughout that,
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  Speaker 9: and then she she is bond. She was actually crying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: so she started.
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  Speaker 2: So we're showing her right now, Katie, You're absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 2: The crying, the snarting that's in her bond hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Brown, what do you do with that?
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  Speaker 2: That's why our friends at Fox five Atlanta. Are you
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  Speaker 2: going to let her continue with the crying and the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: snotting in front of the jury.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, so you know at the bond here, you're not
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: too worried about it, no jury present, but you know,
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  Speaker 15: I think it's good for somebody to be themselves in
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  Speaker 15: front of a jury, right you can you run the
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: risk of if you coach somebody up too much, till
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: them not to be emotional and control themselves in a
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  Speaker 15: certain way. You're more concerned about a client kind of
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: being dismissive and kind of huffing and puffing in front
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  Speaker 15: of a jury, you know, and kind of acting out.
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  Speaker 15: But you know, when you see tears, if I'm her lawyer,
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  Speaker 15: I don't care she's sad or she's got people she
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  Speaker 15: loves that are murdered. Somebody else murder He she's a
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: crime victim. She's being falsely prosecuted, cry away. I've got
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: no problem.
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  Speaker 2: With it, and very quickly Chris Buyers, private investigator Buyer's
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  Speaker 2: Investigative Service as former police chief Buyers, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: the murder weapon. War two weapons used, multiple gunshot wounds,
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  Speaker 2: So question where's.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: The murder weapon?
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  Speaker 2: Money fade her the murder weapon is somebody helping her?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: One of the other things that's huge in that that
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  Speaker 17: it's a big shame for me and I have not
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  Speaker 17: seen in any of the reporting is where there's showcasings left?
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  Speaker 17: Do they have any showcasings that they can run through
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  Speaker 17: the National Integrated Ballistics Database to try to see with
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  Speaker 17: this gun, you know the history of this gun, where
• 49:22
  Speaker 17: this gun came from. But yes, the murder weapon being
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: gone what you want. That's one of the key things
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  Speaker 17: when you're an investigator. You show up to this scene
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  Speaker 17: and you want to know how they were murdered and
• 49:33
  Speaker 17: where is the weapon that did it? So very possibly,
• 49:38
  Speaker 17: very possibly she has somebody else helping her. You heard
• 49:42
  Speaker 17: the Public Information officer from Carroll County Sheriff's apartment said
• 49:47
  Speaker 17: in the end that more arrest could be coming, So
• 49:51
  Speaker 17: that leads you to believe, you know, did she have help?
• 49:53
  Speaker 17: Did she have help hiding this, planning this? Was there
• 49:56
  Speaker 17: somebody else there? All these different things investigators are sounds
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  Speaker 17: like they're still looking into.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: As we wait for justice to unfold.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jody Hull Saint
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: John's County Sheriff's, Florida, killed in the line of duty,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving wife, Kelly, and seven children.
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  Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Sheriff Jody Hall. Nancy Gray signing off
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  Speaker 1: goodbye friend