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S4 E6 - Athlete Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  M hmmm mmm. Hi everybody, Hello, everybody, Welcome to True Crime
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  and Wine Time. I'm j T. And this is I'm Terry. I
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  am Terry. I am It's a it's a weird thing. We you know.
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  You let me be impulsive on this one. I know, and I
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  do not say this often to a man. I am totally at your beck
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  and call I am in your hands, dub h that. Well, he's
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  in the I mean hopefully he's gonna watch it or sneak in, but I
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  hope he leaves really embarrassing comments down in the in the chat. I hope.
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  So, you know, it was one of those things where it's like
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  you and I we record, And of course I started this crazy streaming venture
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  as well, and there's there's an argument to stream it and then download the
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  audio and then publish it as a podcast for the folks that prefer podcasts while
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  also being able to get out there on another platform. And I don't know,
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  I figured why not. No, I'm excited. And the reason I
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  have to say with doing the Perfect crime, you know, thirteenth Durer was
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  so great and let us be on their platform to launch that. The community
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  and the people made it so amazing, and I think adding that to the
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  podcasting because normally we're just talking at each other. It's true, it's true,
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  and like other than other than that, you know, and knowing that
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  people do listen to our stuff via stats and stuff. Hello, everybody,
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  I just want to say hi. It's like shouting into the avoid because you
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  just don't always hear back from people. And this is this is nice,
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  not just because it's immedia gratification with comments and stuff, but it's nice to
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  know that. It's nice to know how it's hitting people. It's nice to
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  know you're doing something so agree and for me it makes sure that I'll be
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  appropriate and maybe and some hoe you won't have to edit out all of the
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  things that I say that are inappropriate. No, and he's going to be
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  so happy that I have a button now so when I start talking about horrible
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  Greg Abbitch, you can just do that right, right right. I just
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  have to be able to guess when it's happening to need my mind, and
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  I have to say since we were doing this, I decided to get some
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  whimsical rose bubbles for tonight because oh bubbly cool and I kind of feel like
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  we're being a little whimsical and just trying this out. Jaded Wonder says,
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  who needs appropriate? We don't. I like you already, and Sharene's been
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  just so dedicated to listening to our podcast, which is she's so great supporting
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  us. But it's nice. It's I do like being able to I mean,
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  I can't see you, but I can see you, I like through
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  your comments and stuff. So Princess Rose all day, I said, I
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  can live up to that nickname. I can do it now. If it's
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  okay, I'm gonna go ahead and pop this and I'm gonna just let it
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  fly tonight. Uh oh, oh, it's a tight one. It just
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  went all over my desk. Oh no mind the laptop and the keyboard.
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  Oh, it don't have any napkins. I'm gonna go off screen and rob
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  and wipe my desk. What people don't know is I do this way more
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  often than you think. I usually end up with just drinks everywhere, but
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  uh where was Yeah, I think it's important to celebrate. I love the
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  fact that you have that. And I didn't realize just how suggestive the intro
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  video with the cork popping was, but I figured, hey, why not,
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  right, wine not. It's exactly that. One of the things I
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  tell people I love wine, I love champagne, love rose. I'm always
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  so satisfied opening a bottle of champagne because of the pop and wine. You
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  just don't get that, and so sometimes I'll be like, ah, well,
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  and if it's my wine, I have to twist it, so you
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  know I have those two. In fact, just recently, I tried to
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  put a cork screw into a screw on because it's a wine I drink all
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  the time, and they switched to screw ons and I wasn't paying attention of
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  one. So how many bottles were you in at that point? It was
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  a Saturday, so it was probably my second. I'm just saying, there's
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  a reason for everything. There's a reason. I can tell you. Next
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  weekend, with it being my birthday party, my goal is to drink four
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  bottles. Ooh, I would be dead. I would be done. But
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  we're start. I mean when you start at ten am till five am.
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  I don't think four bottles is terrible. No, it's it really isn't heybrook,
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  I uh oh my ooh, I won't make it. That's just me
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  being an overachieper but here we go exactly. Yeah. So I think what
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  you did, though, is you got yourself the course grow, you put
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  it through the twist on and now you just need a really long straw and
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  you just put the straw in cut off. There was metal shavings in it
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  because I had that automatic one and I was too busy talking and just doing
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  it, and I just thought it was hard, so I was pushing it.
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  I actually had to port through my coffee grind filter thing to get all
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  the chunks, the little pieces of metal out. Well, you know,
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  you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore. So Rex from the Philippines is here.
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  Rex was on my pink team that I used to work really closely with.
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  That's awesome, thank you for being here. Thank you, Rex.
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  Yeah, because it is really early in the morning for them, Yeah,
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  I was how far ahead are they? Thirteen hours I think right now with
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  our daylight savings time change, so it's ten am, right, I don't
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  know. Thirteen hours, I don't know. I don't math. I don't
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  math math. Normally we would meet at six pm and it was seven am
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  for them, but then we had daylight savings time, so I don't math,
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  and I'm just going to drink because I don't know. This is what
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  I've learned is that if I get it wrong at nine am, if I
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  see this is what I'm saying, if I get it wrong or I don't
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  know the answer, Chat will inform me right away and that's okay. Always
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  they're nice about it. No, I had the honor of being asked to
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  be a guest speaker for Talent Without Borders today and met some people I didn't
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  know then. Some of my old teammates were in there. Rex typed into
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  that chat No Horse Stories Today for us Terry, because in my weekly meetings
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  with them, I would tell them what latest cases I was working on for
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  the podcast, and they were always like, oh wow, sure, yes,
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  it's Sharene, it's two eleven, Oh wowl. You are amazing.
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  She does a lot of late night shift stuff and then also you sleep.
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  She's every now and again. I'll like, go to sleep, and then
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  I'll get like an awesome script in the in my email and from her.
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  I feel so bad. I feel like I'm taking advantage of the fact that
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  she's up at all hours. But she's really good at writing, so she's
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  amazing, and I am just thankful that she's kind of brought me in and
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  is so supportive of us, because I know she's from your other alternative life,
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  not alternative lifestyle, your other podcast or your other venture. Do you
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  know what I've tried to say, Guys, I've only had three hour sleep,
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  you know, over the last couple of days, so I'm a little
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  dipsy. So we have just a couple of updates in terms of some true
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  crime news which some of you know about, and then and then we want
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  to get into our stories, which are crimes and athletics or athlete crimes.
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  Except for you know me, I always got a little off script. I
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  think everybody's yeah, you know me, it's gonna happen. There's no doubt
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  I could have a script, and I'm still going to go off script.
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  Well, I'm going to say sticking to our topic athlete crimes. I hope
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  no one judges me for this, but I truly believe in good karma and
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  bad karma. And I think Larry Nasser met karma and the karma was shot
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  in the form of a shank and he got stabbed while in prison. So
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  it goes right in with athletic crimes and karma. Yep, yep. Okay,
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  So did you see what he told other inmates on Sunday, something about
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  women's Wimbledon or something he said, So, yeah, they were watching the
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  women's Wimbledon tennis tournament with other inmates, and he said to another to other
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  inmates on Sunday, quote, I wish there were girls playing, and then
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  the inmates women the girls. Uh yeah, yeah he did. And the
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  inmate who attacked him used a makeshift weapon. He stabbed him multiple times,
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  Oh god, in the neck, chest and back before other inmates ran in
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  to stop the attack. Yeah, because apparently no one wanted to step in.
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  They wanted to let karma do its thing. They're just all looking at
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  each other like, Who's how long do we wait? Do what happens here?
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  The rock, paper scissors to see who does it? I guess he's
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  in stable condition, but he's injuries. I'm not Yeah, I'm not condoning
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  violence, but I am saying we almost remember whatever we put out into the
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  universe, whether it's good or bad, karma is going to come back and
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  get you. So if you do something bad like he did, you're going
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  to get bad karma. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's coming, yeah,
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  karma. He is a terrible human being, just a horrible person.
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  If you don't know about him, just I'm I'm advocating you just go read
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  wiki real fast, trigger warning just because of the abuse. But you'll soon
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  realize why. We're just like, take some years off the other guy's sentence.
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  No, don't do that. But I mean, he's a terrible person.
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  He's just a terrible person. And it shows he hasn't learned anything because
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  if he's saying girls, he's implying because women were not his thing. He
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  liked abusing young girls, so to say he wanted he wished they were girls.
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  To me, he didn't learn anything. He still has that sickness.
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  No, and to a certain degree, he's he obviously thinks very highly of
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  himself. And the fact that he thought he could say that and get away
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  with it. I mean, what is the one thing that you learn about
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  prison right is that eight child molesters are at the very bottom. They are
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  the pon skum, They are the very bottom. And I mean, I
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  agree, I agree, But one thing I've always found interesting about that so
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  many criminals, you know, they don't have a realm of what's right or
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  wrong. A lot of times that all of them are against the people who
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  hurt children. So it tells you they do have some symbolance of what's right
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  and wrong. Don't let them convince you they don't. Oh yeah, because
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  they do. And and I think now any any crime in that realm is
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  just disgusting. I think what added the the hold on I'm trying to think
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  of what to say here. The scream on top of the Sunday is that
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  he was in a position of trust exactly right, and that is it's just
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  so disgusting to me. And the fact that it was covered up for so
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  long too is disgusting to me. And not enough people were prosecuted, to
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  be honest, right, So a lot of people were not prosecuted that should
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  have been. So he got a little bit of karma. Why don't you
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  tell us about the other interesting thing that's happened. So the person that got
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  me into true crime, which makes it sound like he like a mentor of
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  mine, he's not. But the person who got me into true crime with
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  his autobiography, who was Charles Manson? Because it was so fascinating, and
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  whether it was a lie or not. Even the lie is a is a
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  pathway into his mind, and it turns out that leslie Van Houghten, I'm
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  saying that right, right, Houghton, I think so has been released after
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  serving fifty threes and fifty three years in prison for the murders of Los Angeles
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  grocer Leno la Bianca and his wife Rosemary. Now Anthony Di Maria, I
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  hope I'm saying it right. Who's the nephew of somebody who she murdered?
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  Had this to say? Well, here's what he said. He said,
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  yes, okay, so I'm sorry. He's the nephew of murdered hair stylist
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  Jay Sebring, and he said that his family and other victims family strong vehemently
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  disagree. California Governor Gavin Newsom decided not to fight a state appellate court's decision
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  to grant her parole after fighting previous attempts to allow her to leave prison.
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  It's almost like he gave up. I think what I kind of heard somebody
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  say is with everything going on in California and him fighting up against in re
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  elections, he has to focus onwhere he's going to battle. And he had
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  already been told they were going to continue doing it. It's all politics,
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  and that's what it comes down. I just don't get why are you sentenced
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  to life and you get out. Life is until you no longer have life.
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  I mean it was life with life or life without parole. I think
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  it was life with parole. Okay, So apparently part of parole, she's
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  going to have a three year maximum parole term with a parole discharge review occurring
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  after one year. The how old is she now? Seventy? She's seventy
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  three, Okay, so she was twenty when she went into prison. And
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  she has a quote always kind of propped herself up as a Manson follower,
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  but she's anything but she's a cold blooded killer in one of the most notorious
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  murder rampages in United States history. So what he's saying is she made this
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  decision. This was not a Manson decision. She killed him, which is
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  interesting because it very much goes against the hole it was all Manson, right,
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  which that's a very We will need hours to unpack all of that and
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  all of the theories and philosophies on that. Yeah, he said, here's
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  the last thing I'll say. He said that with her release. Now any
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  other violent criminal or killer whose crimes fall beneath the bar of Leslie Van Hoten's
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  very extreme crimes that also have historical impact, that opens the door for them.
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  It's our fear that the floodgates and the California penal system will be unhinged.
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  And he's probably. I mean there's a there's precedent that's always set.
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  So there is. And I think a lot of it was because of her
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  age and because of the mind manipulation and brainwashing that people felt they had.
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  Yeah, I say, it's not an excuse. Someone tells you to kill
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  someone, you're responsible. You have the right to say yes or no.
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  Now, I know there's extreme circumstances, but they don't get their family members
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  back after fifty three years. Why does she get out? It's true,
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  and that's how I look at it. Call me cold hearted, but I
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  don't get out of my sentence. Why should you? Yeah, And I
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  mean it's not just one person that she helped to kill. There was a
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  series and not only that, but there was also that aggravating factor of trying
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  to create a race war, right so which people are still flipping doing so,
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  and that's still happening. H Yeah, funny. I know we talked
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  about the other day. I think on our Perfect Crime about Rudy Farius in
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  Houston, the young boy. So he released a new statement today he wants
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  nothing to do with his mother and he is living with other family members and
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  they are getting him some psycholage. Good good, good, good for him.
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  That is after so many years in that I mean, saying something like
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  that is probably taking back. Yeah, he's taking back ownership of his life
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  and saying no longer, are you going to do this to me? So
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  I just hope they get him all of the help. I hope the state
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  steps up and gives him some services that he needs. I agree. And
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  then his mother needs to spend some time in jail. In my mind,
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  oh man, she should share a cell with Houghton. Yeah, or Jody
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  she can share herself. Witherous. That'll be joyous, that would be Can
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  you imagine? I can't. I can't. People when we were we started
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  watching that trial right after Lorie Valo's trial, and they were like, can
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  you imagine if Valo and Areas were together? And I was like, no,
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  no, no, it wouldn't last very long. I can promise you
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  that I think karma would once again rear its head. Yeah, oh yeah,
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  for sure. I think that I would more worry that they would get
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  together and mastermind something together, because if you like that, mh, but
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  that gather two of them. They're both devious, they have no conscience,
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  they're both pathological liars, they're both manipulators. Could you imagine what would happen
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  if they went into cahoots together. I would be wondering the whole time who
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  would be manipulating who? And because they very much try to be what the
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  other what they need to be for the person to get what they want,
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  So who's Honestly, it sounds like a Seinfeld episode to be that science experiment
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  just to sit back in a glass cage and watch. Well they did that
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  with the with oh what was that the experiment? What was that experiment?
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  In the prison experiment? Stand for a prison experiment, That's what I meant.
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  I think we need to bring it back. I have never heard of
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  that, so I it's not really the same situation. It's okay. Actually
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  that would be really fun to cover on the show, though, we will
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  have to look into it. Add that to our list. Yes, yes,
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  oh, hello, Erica. Thanks for joining, and you're not late.
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  We haven't gotten into the stories yet. We're just kind of catching up
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  and doing some updates. And I think we're about to get into the stories
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  though, are we? We are? And I went a little rogue,
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  a little off script, and I felt it was so okay, sounds good
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  to me. So we're doing this stuff so well. I had to do
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  it because athlete crimes, guys, have you ever given a goog about all
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  of the professional athletes who've had problems with the law. It's a very long
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  list. How do you pick just one? So what I did is I
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  decided to cover the legal tribulations of America's team, the Dallas Cowboys. Wait
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  a second, hold on, hold on, hold on, you're in Texas.
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  I focus on the crimes of the Dallas Cowboys. I am, I
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  am, but don't panic, guys. I'm not going to cover all of
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  their criminals because this would have to be like a five part episode. Does
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  does this start with Craft? Wait? Craft isn't Craft is the Patriots?
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  Craft is the Patriots. And I can do this because Remolicious is no longer
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  a cowboy, so I no longer have any loyalty to the Cowboys since remolicious
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  is gone. Uh oh uh, we got somebody who said, don't be
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  dosing the team. Hey, I didn't say they were bad football players.
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  I'm now I am going to go out and say, and I think I
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  put it somewhere in here. I do like that Jones and the organization tried
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  to give players second chances even if they had, you know, done some
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  bad deeds. They tried to help, but they took a little too far
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  I think at times. But I think they learned their lessons in some regards.
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  So here's the important part for people watching who like the Cowboys excuse me,
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  or who are listening who like the Cowboys. This is not an indictment
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  on the Cowboys. This is not as like dragging on the Cowboys. It's
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  simply covering crimes committed. And it just so happens that they have a few
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  of them, and they're not the only ones at all. They're not And
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  I get into that per so I can't wait. Brook I own Cowboys jerseys.
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  I am a Cowboy fan, so I still like the Cowboys, but
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  I grew up a Houston Oilers girl. Are you going in hiding after this?
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  I if let me think of the best way to phrase this. Handsome
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  hubby would say this best. I do not like teams in the nfls I
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  admit I am a quarterback. Ho I like quarterbacks. I liked Peyton Manning,
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  Eli Manning, romolicious, and Jimmy I can never say his last name,
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  opal Upus or whatever, the underwear model guy. I voted for the
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  hottest quarterback, not the best player, the one who I thought was the
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  hottest. Listen, I am only the Browns fan because the Browns choose you,
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  you can't choose them. I'm just happy you from that area. And
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  I'm stubborn enough not to move on. So I wanted to grow up and
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  be a Derek Dall And then they took my oilers away, so my little
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  girl dreams went up and smoked. Woof. So I can still sing the
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  song, but I won't. But so don't worry. If y'all are ready,
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  we're going to get started. Let's do it, okay. Once hailed
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  as America's team, the Dallas Cowboys have had their fair share of glory and
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  success on the football field and in the bedroom. But behind the shining star
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  in silver blue uniform lies a turbulent history of legal troubles that have rocked the
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  franchise throughout the years. This is a story of the cowboys journey through the
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  dark side of fame and the challenges they faced in their quest for redemption.
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  So there is redemption now. Dallas Cowboys, as we have already seen,
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  always is a team that evokes strong reactions from fans in the general public.
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  You either love them or you love to hate them, or you roll your
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  eyes when somebody comes at you with like different pieces of Dallas Cowboys clothing on.
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  At the same time, they have a large fan base, but they
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  also have their fair share of critics also they do. Now it's worth noting
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  that, despite their polarizing reputation, the Dallas Cowboys are not ranked among the
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  most grimly charged teams or players in the NFL. Can I guess please?
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  The Ravens No Minnesota Vikings top the list with fifty five arrest and the Denver
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  Broncos with fifty four. Is it because the Vikings are too busy doing not
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  much? So there's just a good more time. Now people are gonna come
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  at me, so don't I don't know much about football. I could be
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  completely wrong. Well, I can tell you none of the ones that I
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  cover what I consider are hot, So I feel okay with talking about though
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  Oh my god. I mean, hey, we strive to be uh you
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  know more, we strive to be deeper than a wineglass, but sometimes we
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  sometimes I'm as shallow as one. So I am shallow when it comes to
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  football, and I am not ashamed to admit why. My reason why first
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  marriage, I was married to the husband that I could have walked out bare
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  bum naked wearing very fancy shoes and he would tell me to get out of
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  the way. Was watching football. Here's what I have to say to that.
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  Go gently. I don't know if you could hear that. Could you
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  hear that? I did not? Oh no, no, that's okay,
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  it's fine. I had I'll just do this. I hit it and I
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  said, stupid is as stupid does. So that kind of made me where
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  I didn't want to watch football, and then got a little bit older,
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  got remarried. I like watching football with handsome hubby, but I'm not into
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  wanting to know who through this how many yards? I just want to look
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  at the players. And I am shallow, but I am okay with saying
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  that everybody needs a little shallowness in the shallow Sallo. There was even a
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  song about it. I just need to be under real malicious. Okay,
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  anyway, let's go on to our first Dallas Cowboy. Uh oh, sorry,
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  I've tried to read comments at the same time that I gotta be careful
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  not to do so. Our first one is Thomas Hollywood Henderson. Ever heard
• 28:59
  of right? Sounds like a better Have I heard of him? Yeah?
• 29:04
  I don't think you were born yet. I was. He was drafted as
• 29:08
  part of the Dallas Cowboys Dirty Dozen in nineteen seventy five. They're just asking
• 29:15
  for it at this point. Yeah, I was five. So as a
• 29:18
  rookie he was part of their special teams, and during his rookie year he
• 29:22
  returned. I'm going to tell y'all don't know exactly what this means, a
• 29:26
  reverse handoff for a ninety seven yard kickoff return for a touchdown. I just
• 29:33
  know that means you clap that everybody gets really excited, and you spill beer.
• 29:37
  So they kicked off the person, reverse tossed back to him and he
• 29:44
  went wrong and he ran. Wow, why are they going to make it
• 29:48
  sound off fancy? I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying it's
• 29:52
  not a point, but but no, he was named the starting strong side
• 29:59
  linebacker over Randy White. A lot of people know who Randy White is in
• 30:03
  Dallas. He's a he's a famous. But what I find funny he gave
• 30:08
  himself the nickname Hollywood. Nobody else did. He did it because he felt
• 30:15
  his flamboyant play and his active player lifestyle gave him that nickname Hollywood. All
• 30:26
  the most secure men in the world give themselves their own nickname, all of
• 30:30
  them. So he had a great career ahead of him. However, he
• 30:41
  got into drugs and alcohol and it impacted his ability to play the game.
• 30:48
  Guys, I did not know this was a thing. So I'm just going
• 30:52
  to give a trigger warning for anyone because I didn't know this was a thing,
• 30:56
  or that we didn't have walls in place back then. For this,
• 31:00
  he was known to snort liquid cocaine from an inhaler that he kept in his
• 31:07
  pants during the games. Well, I mean, hence the flamboyant gameplay.
• 31:15
  But they did not start drug testing or acknowledging drug addiction until nineteen eighty seven.
• 31:25
  And then when did they start testing for steroids. I don't know.
• 31:32
  It's not a steroid though, although I will say, like it's not a
• 31:34
  steroid cocaine will I mean, other than the nosebleeds, it'll make you,
• 31:38
  It'll make you run faster. I didn't know there was such a thing as
• 31:42
  liquid cocaine. Do you just add water to it? You know, like
• 31:48
  the little package you put in your water bottles, the little flavor crystal life,
• 31:52
  A little bit like that. You just add it to water. Coach,
• 31:56
  it's fruit punch. I swear all of it, and all of these
• 32:00
  are white. It doesn't matter what flavor it is. I mean, because
• 32:04
  I just I mean, tell y'all, I have it inhaler. I have
• 32:06
  asthma. How do you put liquid cocaine in and inhale? I just I
• 32:12
  don't know, And I guess I'm gonna just say I'm glad. I don't
• 32:14
  know. Jaded wonders that add water and stir see. So anyway got him
• 32:22
  into some trouble. He did get one Super Bowl ring to his name,
• 32:28
  Okay, now, during it came in nineteen seventy nine against the Washington Redskins.
• 32:34
  He didn't get in trouble for snorting the or inhaling the liquid cocaine.
• 32:39
  He did, however, get in trouble, trouble for mugging for the cameras
• 32:45
  and promoting bandanas that his friends sold while his team was being beat. Okay,
• 32:54
  will the mugging for the cameras representing unsponsored or on I guess affiliated merchandise,
• 33:06
  probably not good. But also he was snorting liquid cocaine out of an
• 33:12
  inhaler and what are your priorities? Right? Yeah? Now, that was
• 33:17
  the last straw for the wonderful, fabulous coach Tom Landry, who's still all
• 33:22
  time guy. He basically he was set, was set. He really liked
• 33:29
  Thomas, he thought he was a great guy, but mugging for the cameras
• 33:32
  with the bandana when his teammates were losing was a last straw for him,
• 33:37
  and he was determined that he would never play for the Cowboys again. Not
• 33:44
  the liquid cocaine, mind you, but for mugging. Now, I'm sure
• 33:51
  that was part of it. But he was traded to the San Francisco forty
• 33:52
  nine ers. They let him go after one game, and Thomas has said,
• 34:00
  and this is his quote, I feel that I was let go because
• 34:04
  I'm addicted to cocaine. Yeah, Erica makes a really good point that NFL
• 34:13
  and priorities are still a problem when you get suspended longer for gambling than domestic
• 34:16
  violence. Abso freaking lutely I agree nowep. Then he went from the forty
• 34:22
  nine ers to the Houston Oilers. Guys, bear with me, Houston Oilers,
• 34:28
  Huston Oilers, look up football, here we come, Houston Oilers.
• 34:34
  Number what I'm gonna get you some pom poms? Now, Oh I need
• 34:44
  some. They just need to be pink. I've got some. That's all
• 34:50
  I got. That's all you got. Okay. I was once a cheerleader.
• 34:55
  Anyways, moving on, it's like and that's not a surprise. So
• 35:00
  one thing I am going to give this player credit for. He was one
• 35:06
  of the first NFL players to publicly admit he had a drug problem, and
• 35:13
  with the help of the league, he signed himself into a drug rehabilitation program
• 35:17
  and he wound up going on to play for the Miami Dolphins. After getting
• 35:22
  out of rehab, life was going great. Lo and behold, he suffered
• 35:27
  a career ending neck injury. After the all of doing all of that work,
• 35:32
  ah not all? So yeah yeah. So then after that he wound
• 35:40
  up being arrested in charged with two counts of false imprisonment and one count of
• 35:45
  forced oral copulation, sexual battery, and for furnishing liquid cocaine to a minor.
• 35:52
  Ah, well, I feel a little less sorry for him. Yeah,
• 36:00
  it gets worse. So the fifteen year old girl claimed to police that
• 36:04
  he pulled out a gun, forced her to have sex with him, and
• 36:07
  gave her a liquid cocaine, all because he could no longer play football.
• 36:16
  All right, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of commentary that one
• 36:22
  could make about uh masculinity. But I'll just leave it alone there now.
• 36:28
  He pled no contests. He entered a treatment facility again for seven months.
• 36:32
  He got a wop in twenty eight months in prison. Yeah, math checks
• 36:39
  out. I can't math, but that doesn't make sense. You can't math.
• 36:46
  I mean I can, but it still doesn't make any sense. Why
• 36:52
  only that much to me? Just put them away. Well, he did
• 36:57
  stay sober. He is still sober to this day. Good he won In
• 37:05
  two thousand, he made the news he won the Texas Lato twenty eight million
• 37:10
  dollar jackpot. The rich keep getting richer. But he started a nonprofit east
• 37:23
  Side Youth Service in Street Outrich Outreach program, and he has made donations to
• 37:30
  other organizations to help keep youth off of drugs out of prison. And then
• 37:36
  in two thousand and five he won a second lottery, but by that time
• 37:42
  they no longer would tell the amount of his winnings. Do you know how
• 37:45
  I blame for that? H governor. So, the one thing I found
• 37:54
  interesting about his story and why I covered him drugs, He admitted it,
• 38:00
  got some help, gets his life back on track, suffers a devastating injury.
• 38:08
  You know, they probably that neck injury, had to give him some
• 38:10
  serious pain meds. Yeah, that highlitating. I doubt at that point he
• 38:16
  denied them, so, I mean, who who could? So I'm not
• 38:21
  saying it's one percent his fault, but I'm glad he finally took accountability and
• 38:27
  he's got his life on track, and I'm glad that he's out there telling
• 38:30
  people what not to do. I mean, I'm super glad about that.
• 38:36
  You know, there's no amount of money that could ever, you know,
• 38:39
  take away that that experience that little girl had, Oh, absolutely never,
• 38:44
  But I hope there was some kind of compensation. I hope. So I
• 38:51
  hope so too. Well, I'm not going to say it's going to get
• 38:53
  any better. This one is dark. This whole group I'm doing is dark.
• 38:59
  And I am going to apologize for saying this gentleman's name now because I
• 39:04
  have looked it up so many times and I can't remember Larry Bathia. The
• 39:08
  THEA sounds upright. Actually, I might have actually heard that last name before.
• 39:13
  Okay. So he was drafted in seventy eight and he played as a
• 39:16
  defensive tackle for the Cowboys until nineteen eighty three. He also became involved with
• 39:22
  drugs during his time with the team, leading to multiple suspensions. So after
• 39:30
  he did good, nothing serious until after he retired he faced legal issues.
• 39:37
  He set a national park on fire. Was he doing a gender reveal party?
• 39:45
  No, he did it on purpose, and he stole money from his
• 39:51
  family. Oh my question still stands. Just kidding, but sadly he ended
• 40:00
  his life himself in nineteen eighty seven. Was so he set the fire?
• 40:08
  He said he stole money from his family. Was he ever convicted, Well,
• 40:16
  it's one of those things that he died by a gunshot wound before everything
• 40:22
  worked out, So by the law, he is innocent. Yeah, I
• 40:29
  think he was guilty in his mind though he was, so he took care
• 40:32
  of himself. But which is sad. There was a rampant drug use on
• 40:38
  the Cowboys back in the day. I mean, I think it was just
• 40:43
  ramp at that time of life. Yeah. So now the next one,
• 40:51
  I'm just gonna tell you I want to slap him because I like his name,
• 40:55
  Raphael, because it reminds me of my Ninja Turtles Raphael Septian. Okay,
• 41:02
  he signed with the Cowboys in seventy eight. He set a franchise record
• 41:07
  for extra points. However, he has was indicted and pled guilty to indecency
• 41:15
  with the child. They gave him a probationary sentence instead of putting him in
• 41:22
  jail, and the Cowboys released him for breaking the morality clause. That is
• 41:29
  all the punishment he got, the morality clause. How about you he broke
• 41:34
  the being in a good human clause. How about he should have went to
• 41:38
  jail. Yeah, oh, for sure. A probationary sentence ridiculous, Yeahexas,
• 41:47
  Texas executes people very quickly, and people may not. Oh not when
• 41:52
  you're a Dallas cowboy, Are you kidding? That's royalty but not them.
• 41:57
  I don't understand you. Royalty. Oh man, So everybody knows the name
• 42:06
  of the next one, and if you don't, it's okay. Michael Irvin,
• 42:12
  Oh yeah, oh yeah, I do. That's saying. That's say
• 42:17
  you know, hey, what can I say? So he was drafted in
• 42:21
  eighty eight. He, as we all know, was an amazing player.
• 42:25
  He had a great career. But one thing I kind of liked about him.
• 42:32
  He was known for his trash talking style. It was back in the
• 42:37
  day that I loved it. You know, when they were talking about,
• 42:39
  hey, are you excited to play so and so, and he would just
• 42:43
  start shit talking people about, oh I'm gonna I'm gonna just wipe their face
• 42:49
  up on the field. You know. He was a little instigator, and
• 42:53
  I liked it. I mean, it's nice to have every single team has
• 42:59
  a bad boy they do, and he was a bad boy. Now.
• 43:02
  He faced numerous legal issues throughout his career. Now, in ninety six,
• 43:08
  he was falsely accused of sexual assault, but the charges were dropped when the
• 43:15
  accuser admitted she fabricated the story and was just trying to get money. No
• 43:24
  okay. But later on in eighty eight, he became in trouble when he
• 43:35
  assaulted a teammate with a pair of scissors in the locker room. I have
• 43:43
  so many questions and I will just leave them on my desk over here.
• 43:46
  Yeah. I could not find more details about it besides that there were charges.
• 43:53
  But he was also arrested for cocaine possession. But he has faced other
• 44:02
  sexual assault charges that were settled out of court. Always settled out of court.
• 44:10
  I wonder who's money. I'm just gonna leave that there, because not
• 44:16
  Sandy's innocent, not Sannie's guilty, just settled out of court. Yeah.
• 44:24
  So now the next one ranks up there with Michael Vick Nate Newton. A
• 44:35
  lot of people don't know having. They played for the Cowboys from eighty six
• 44:38
  to ninety eight, and he was a good strong player, but he after
• 44:45
  he retired. Luckily he waited till he retired. He got arrested for illegal
• 44:50
  dog fighting in ninety one and multiple jug related offenses. Now he served time
• 45:00
  for the drug trafficking, but he is now sober. M did no time
• 45:08
  for the illegal dog fighting. Of course, in an not stationary sentence.
• 45:15
  That's ridiculous. And for those you know that are listening. If you've heard
• 45:22
  by Michael Vick episode back when it was just me as a solo podcaster,
• 45:28
  I went a little Nancy Grace because you just don't touch the animals. No,
• 45:34
  that's even worse than touching the children. I want to just shoot you
• 45:38
  all that do that, and that's not nice of me. So Karma,
• 45:45
  don't come and get me. Now Here we go again with the drug issues.
• 45:52
  Sam heard. He played for the Cowboys two thousand and six to twenty
• 45:55
  ten, so a little more recent he was a did for attempting to purchase
• 46:01
  and distribute large quantities of cocaine and marijuana. He had a fifteen year prison
• 46:08
  sentence. That's a lot of drugs to get fifteen years, I mean,
• 46:21
  that's a lot of drugs. So Josh Brent, this is one of the
• 46:30
  sadder criminal charges that I felt it needed to be talked about. So if
• 46:36
  you don't know the story of Josh Brent, he played for the Cowboys,
• 46:38
  he was involved in a car accident. He and his teammate and very good
• 46:44
  friend Jerry Brown, went out drinking. Driving home Jerry Brown, they had
• 46:53
  a wreck and he died during the wreck. So he was arrested and he
• 47:04
  faced things, and he did serve some time in jail. He did rejoin
• 47:08
  the Cowboys after finishing his prison sentence. So, and if you don't know
• 47:17
  the story, go looking at Jerry. Brown's family felt bad because they knew
• 47:23
  it was nothing intentional. It was a stupid decision that happened. Now,
• 47:30
  back in twenty nineteen, he was arrested again for public intoxication. But when
• 47:37
  they got him to the they took him to the hospital for some reason.
• 47:43
  He was found I believe it was in a Windy's parking lot talking to himself,
• 47:46
  so they thought he was intoxicated. Come to find out, he had
• 47:52
  a mental breakdown. He had a complete break just all of it, just
• 47:55
  and they dropped the charges and he spent some time several months in a facility
• 48:00
  to get his head back on street. So that's one of the sadder stories
• 48:07
  out there. And then we get into Dez Bryant. Don't come at me
• 48:13
  if you love Dez. Dez is a great player, but he was arrested
• 48:17
  for a Class A misdemeanor domestic violence charge. He hit his mother in the
• 48:23
  face. No, hit his mother in the face. Now it was not
• 48:35
  raised by his mother, but still you don't hit your mother, No,
• 48:40
  not at all. And the last one I'm going to cover is Dexter clink
• 48:46
  scale and I included him because I like saying his name. Scale Scale,
• 48:52
  clink, scale, the sound of an empty cup on the prison clink clink
• 49:00
  for the Cowboys for about five years. He wound up wrapping his career up
• 49:05
  with the Indianapolis Colts, former home of the fabulous Eli Manning. But he
• 49:12
  was a charged Dexter charge was sexually assaulting an eighteen year old man and for
• 49:16
  providing alcohol to a minor. Sounds like a Friday night. What's interesting they
• 49:25
  sealed the records so I couldn't find if he was convicted. Of course they
• 49:31
  did so yeah, I mean everything is public record about the arrest, everything.
• 49:43
  But then they sealed it. Somebody's schooling us, Oh, you are
• 49:50
  so right. It was Peyton was the cold, Eli was the child.
• 49:54
  They're just Manning's You're right, Thank you for schooling me. Hayton alive,
• 50:00
  forgive me for getting you confused. Please. So those are just a few
• 50:07
  examples of the legal issues associated with the Cowboys. Now, their journey throughout
• 50:14
  the legal stuff served as a powerful lesson for sports world. It highlighted the
• 50:20
  importance of character assessments that they needed, but also that they needed to put
• 50:25
  support systems in place for drug, alcohol, gambling addiction, sex addiction.
• 50:32
  Because these individuals come into a lot of money. A lot of times they
• 50:37
  come from backgrounds that are not as stable as you know. They may have
• 50:42
  what have liked, and all of a sudden, you've got all of this
• 50:45
  money, and those things tend to happen. I feel like a lot of
• 50:51
  the treatment is reactive rather than proactive. I agree. As soon as a
• 50:57
  young kid, especially a young kid who like skips the scene your year and
• 51:00
  is drafted. As soon as that happens, there should be classes, There
• 51:04
  should be mentors, first coaches to kind of work on that, and they
• 51:08
  just wait, I just wait to see if they can handle it, and
• 51:10
  that nobody can. I mean, I think they should get them a financial
• 51:15
  planner advisor, not saying put them, you know, on a budget,
• 51:22
  but kind of put them on a budget, teach them what to do with
• 51:23
  all that money. Yes, you want to go spend some of it,
• 51:27
  but look at all of the athletes who wind up after their career they lose
• 51:31
  all their money. Yep. Oh, now, I have to end my
• 51:37
  case with this fact, so don't at me. Tony Romo Ak Romolicious was
• 51:44
  a Dallas cowboy who has never been arrested and is the hottest cowboy player ever
• 51:52
  to play in Texas in my opinion. Very subjective, very s in my
• 51:58
  opinion. And I have been in his locker room and I have sat in
• 52:02
  his locker and so is my dog. And that is my I know,
• 52:07
  No, I took a tour, ah, I just I imagine like at
• 52:12
  at the end of the tour, you're missing, and then on comes Nick
• 52:15
  game day and he just opens up the locker and you're just like I did.
• 52:20
  Yeah. No, I'm not that much of a stalker. I'm not
• 52:25
  that much of a stalker. But yeah, that is my case. I
• 52:29
  decided to just cover a few of the more serious Dallas cowboy crimes. So
• 52:37
  you gave us a smattering, and I'm going to get a little in depth
• 52:42
  about one and mine mine deals with the NFL wide receiver who I don't even
• 52:51
  know if. I mean, yes, he did kind of play, but
• 52:53
  not really. But it's Ray Caruth, who was a former NFL wide receiver
• 52:59
  who rose to prominence as a talented athlete before his life took a turn with
• 53:02
  his involvement in a high profile crime. So Ray was born on January twentieth,
• 53:10
  nineteen seventy four, in Sacramento, California, to mother Theodrey Swift and
• 53:15
  father Charles Wiggins. I love that name. I like Chuck Wiggins. He
• 53:22
  was raised with a sibling by his mom and stepfather, who was Samuel Caruth.
• 53:27
  He attended Valley High School. Growing up, he spent a lot of
• 53:30
  time in this challenging environment which was full of drug abuse and crime. Needless
• 53:35
  to say, he faced numerous obstacles and hardships. Now, despite these difficulties,
• 53:39
  he displayed remarkable athletic talents from an early age, particularly in football.
• 53:46
  He had speed, he was agile, and he had just these natural talents
• 53:52
  on the field. Now, obviously people are watching and although this isn't Texas
• 53:59
  where football is king, people definitely paid attention to him and it opened doors
• 54:06
  for future opportunities. Now, even though he was in those that tough environment,
• 54:09
  he never touched a substance, nor did he get in trouble with police,
• 54:13
  which is great, especially in Sacramento in the seventies slash eighties. He
• 54:22
  in the neighborhood, and in his neighborhood he was actually considered a success story.
• 54:25
  He was a popular guy. He was crowned prom king twice. But
• 54:29
  on the other hand, he was quiet, reserved, He knew how to
• 54:32
  hold a grudge. He was described as untrusting as well, which is I
• 54:37
  mean, very interesting to have these two dynamics going at each other. You
• 54:42
  know, Yes, how do you get to be prom king twice? Because
• 54:46
  normally it's just for seniors? Right? Did he repeat his senior year?
• 54:52
  I don't think so. I mean, I I'm a girl. What's something
• 54:58
  that I just I didn't go to like a traditional school, right, I
• 55:01
  went to a private really kind of like the economy version of private school.
• 55:06
  But we as we were allowed to go junior senior year and juniors and or
• 55:10
  seniors could be nominated slash elected. So that tells you that if he beat
• 55:16
  out a bunch of seniors as a junior, he was probably pretty popular.
• 55:20
  And he was pretty popular, because yeah, so sorry to derail you.
• 55:27
  That's a good question. That's a good question. He lived with his grandmother
• 55:30
  now and again while he was a teenager, because he had a really tough
• 55:32
  relationship with his mom. In one story, his grandmother responded wanted to a
• 55:38
  dip in his grades by having him come to work with her at Costco because
• 55:44
  you know why not. I mean, initially it seems weird, but it
• 55:49
  did help him. It helped him a lot, and he learned a lot
• 55:52
  from that. Now you know he here, here's to the level in which
• 55:58
  he was at when he started looking at recruiting, right, recruitment events.
• 56:02
  When he showed up to a recruiting trip at the college he ended up at,
• 56:06
  which is the University of Colorado, he was in a suit with a
• 56:08
  briefcase, a notebook, and he had pre planned questions, which is awesome,
• 56:15
  right, that is awesome. He was well prepared. Right. He
• 56:21
  was described as goal oriented. He always attended class. He didn't attend college
• 56:24
  parties. They just weren't his thing, something that was something that was interesting
• 56:30
  about him or special about him. Surprising quote. Surprisingly, Ray Caruth had
• 56:36
  an affinity with his child fans during college. One example was when he met
• 56:39
  a child after a game, signed an autograph, and attended his birthday party
• 56:43
  the following week after the child told him his birthday party was coming up and
• 56:46
  he was his favorite player. Now, weird, condition to be like,
• 56:51
  what was really going on? But truly, he just had an affinity for
• 56:54
  these kids who like, Yeah, I think it's adorable. What wrongshous to
• 57:00
  come to my birthday party next week? I mean just invite him, get
• 57:07
  a skywriter and put it over his house. That's the way. Why wouldn't
• 57:14
  beat me up? His wife could probably beat me up maybe, or maybe
• 57:17
  she might just be like, yeah, that makes sense. I'm sure you're
• 57:22
  like the least weird person to ask him to come to a birthday party.
• 57:25
  He could bring her. Yeah, is handsome, hobby needs something to Okay,
• 57:31
  that did not sound appropriate. That is not how that just came out.
• 57:36
  None of it. It sounded right. And since we're live streaming now,
• 57:39
  you can't cut it out all right. So CRU's football career took off
• 57:50
  during his time at the University of Colorado. He was he was accepted on
• 57:54
  a football scholarship. He emerged as a standout wide receiver and he showcased a
• 57:59
  great speed playmaking skills. He had remarkable performances and those caught the attention of
• 58:04
  scals. He caught one hundred and thirty five passes for two five and forty
• 58:09
  yards and eleven touchdown touchdowns in his four seasons. That's an average of eighteen
• 58:14
  point eight yards per catch, which is really, as far as I understand,
• 58:19
  which is not a lot at all. It's pretty good. He decided
• 58:24
  to enter the nineteen ninety seven NFL Draft the and the Carolina Panthers selected him
• 58:36
  in the first round. I think it was the twenty seventh pick. I
• 58:39
  didn't write that down, but I think that's what it was. And basically
• 58:44
  he moved right on into professional football and he was signed as a young man
• 58:47
  to a four year, three point seven million dollar deal that included a one
• 58:52
  point three million dollar signing Modus binnschool planner. If you do this, which
• 59:01
  again can usually cut this out everybody, but now you're getting it. Uh,
• 59:07
  nineteen ninety seven money today is twenty million point seven Uh? Great?
• 59:22
  Yeah, three points that it's seven seven million, forty thousand. Uh.
• 59:28
  In terms of his basic salary, which I mean, that's a lot,
• 59:35
  that's all. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot and
• 59:37
  howl. So what he signed, how old was? I don't math.
• 59:45
  I don't math, sorry, So I saw one One source said that he
• 59:49
  decided to leave at the end of junior year and join, which would put
• 59:54
  him at like twenty nineteen or twenty and then one source said that he earned
• 59:59
  his degree, which I assume means four years, although if he was good
• 1:00:01
  at school, he could have finished in three. I would say, if
• 1:00:05
  he was good, he could have finished at three. Absolutely so or they
• 1:00:08
  just gave it to him. And I want everybody to understand this. I
• 1:00:14
  have a massive, massive soapbox about some college sports. I think they're great.
• 1:00:22
  I think they're awesome, but I also have some issues with it.
• 1:00:25
  But that's a whole others. That's a whole other episode, and I'm just
• 1:00:29
  not going to get into it. So he got all this money, and
• 1:00:34
  as Caruth embarked on his NFL career, expectations were high for him. He
• 1:00:37
  was a wide receiver. His rookie season was pretty respectable. He beat out
• 1:00:42
  veterans for a starting position. He started fourteen games. He caught forty four
• 1:00:45
  passes for five hundred and forty five yards and four touchdowns. He was tied
• 1:00:50
  for first among rookie receivers, and he got to the All Rookie team as
• 1:00:53
  a wide receiver. So that's great. But his journey in the professional league
• 1:01:00
  kind of encountered a bunch of challenges. Despite some flashes of brilliance and some
• 1:01:07
  great plays, he had injuries and inconsistent performances, and those kept him from
• 1:01:12
  fully realizing what he could do on the field. In ninety eight, he
• 1:01:16
  didn't catch another pass after the opening season due to the injury, and he
• 1:01:21
  ended up with four catches for fifty nine yards in that one game. So
• 1:01:24
  he played one game in nineteen ninety eight and then he was out with an
• 1:01:29
  injury. In ninety nine, he played the first six games with fourteen catches
• 1:01:31
  for two hundred yards, and he struggled to establish himself as being reliable,
• 1:01:37
  and his reputation with the teammates was faltering. He didn't want to do a
• 1:01:42
  different position, of course, I mean I get it to a certain degree.
• 1:01:45
  You want to do what you've grown up doing, being a wide receiver.
• 1:01:47
  But they wanted him to be a punt returner and he wasn't having it.
• 1:01:52
  He's not being a team player. Wasn't great. I think the thing
• 1:01:54
  that you just said, he didn't grow up to be that. At twenty
• 1:02:00
  too, he still wasn't grown up. I mean, yes, he's an
• 1:02:02
  adult, but he's still a young, very young man. I think it's
• 1:02:08
  hysterical that the people who run these organizations have this under have this assumption that
• 1:02:14
  kids, and I'm gonna call them kids because at this point I can ha
• 1:02:17
  are fully mature by the time they get out of college. And I will
• 1:02:22
  be the first one to say, we are not. Now, we're not.
• 1:02:25
  We're not because colleges don't teach you life skills. They teach you book
• 1:02:29
  skills, and so you have to live them. You have to live them,
• 1:02:34
  and they haven't lived them. So you're gonna throw them in with a
• 1:02:36
  bunch of money and a very unique lifestyle to learn life skills. And I
• 1:02:40
  don't think so. I mean, it's a hard that's a hard. I
• 1:02:45
  mean I have to say, even at my age, if all of a
• 1:02:47
  sudden somebody just handed me seven million dollars plus a one point two million dollar
• 1:02:53
  sign on bonus, I'm thankful that I have HH who would be like,
• 1:03:00
  hey, we're not doing that, because with my add he I'd be like,
• 1:03:05
  oh, yeah, let's do this. We could buy that pink boat,
• 1:03:10
  the bink Boat. You all will notice there's a lot of pink involved
• 1:03:14
  in the show and that's okay. We love it. It's what we do.
• 1:03:20
  And so so there was a quote about him, and this will tell
• 1:03:22
  you exactly how well adjusted he was. Ray was a bit high maintenance as
• 1:03:25
  well. He changed his jersey number five times because he thought the number one
• 1:03:30
  made him look fat and he didn't want the number of any famous former players.
• 1:03:35
  I don't understand. One is literally just like this, okay, I
• 1:03:39
  mean, did he expect to be as white as the one? I don't
• 1:03:42
  get it. I mean, I'm just going to say, at least he
• 1:03:46
  was open to change. Yeah, force change, his force change. He
• 1:03:52
  wanted to control all of this. So it's odd though, because normally they
• 1:03:57
  have a number that they're attached to, Like even I have a number that
• 1:04:01
  Darren sports that I had, So that's interesting that he didn't have one.
• 1:04:06
  Even when I play sports games, I always have the number eight. Makes
• 1:04:11
  no sense. Don't know why, but that's what it is. Maybe that's
• 1:04:14
  because that's the day of one of the months of my birth, and so
• 1:04:20
  one of the months of my birth, the month of my birth I shall
• 1:04:24
  never tell, and I should tell, so watch it. His football career
• 1:04:32
  and life were careening just kind of off the road, and you know,
• 1:04:38
  this is kind of one of those things where you kind of see it come
• 1:04:40
  in and your life's kind of faltering and you want to correct the course,
• 1:04:44
  but it's just it's too late. It's too late, it's too late,
• 1:04:49
  and you just fishtail and it's bad. So you see, he got his
• 1:04:54
  high school girlfriend pregnant while he was in college. He okay, so here's
• 1:04:59
  the deal. Y'all gonna get pissed real fast. And that makes sense because
• 1:05:03
  I did too. He got his high school girlfriend pregnant while he was in
• 1:05:06
  college. He asked that the baby be named after him. She obliged.
• 1:05:11
  I'm not sure. I'm not gonna there's there's no blaming here, but I'm
• 1:05:16
  not sure why. But he wasn't even there when the child was born.
• 1:05:18
  He was barely involved in the child's life at all. And then she eventually
• 1:05:24
  had to sue Ray for child support, which ended up being to the tune
• 1:05:28
  of three thousand dollars a month because he just didn't want to be involved.
• 1:05:33
  And then he got another woman pregnant and joked with the second woman that,
• 1:05:41
  uh, okay, all right, there are some things in this world that
• 1:05:46
  I just don't like saying out loud, but for the sake of telling the
• 1:05:50
  story, Am I gonna throw my glass? You might, but he might
• 1:05:56
  want to drink it first. He joked with the second woman that he would,
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, you're gonna run out of a couple of glasses. I have
• 1:06:00
  a feeling tonight that he would kill his first child to save money and then
• 1:06:03
  threaten to kill her if she didn't terminate her pregnancy. But yet he demanded
• 1:06:11
  the child being named after him because it's a possession. Oh no, this
• 1:06:15
  is the second This is the second woman. I know, But he's willing
• 1:06:16
  now to kill the first one, oh yeah, to then have money for
• 1:06:20
  the second one. But then when she yeah, yeah it. A lot
• 1:06:24
  of things don't make sense for the rest of this. Uh so he's starting
• 1:06:29
  to sound like a real winner. M His concern was money always, he
• 1:06:35
  was paying for a kid, He made bad investments, he lent money to
• 1:06:39
  his family for silly things, he bought frivolous things, and just he's a
• 1:06:43
  mess. He's an absolute mess. So we're now in nineteen ninety nine,
• 1:06:48
  where we party like its According to Prince and Caru's life took a dark and
• 1:06:55
  tragic turn when he became involved in what turned out to be a tumultuous relationship
• 1:07:00
  with a woman named Sheryka Adams, a woman he'd been romantically involved in.
• 1:07:04
  Now Adams, who was also pregnant with Caru's child, found herself at the
• 1:07:11
  center of a deeply troubled dynamic and it was marked by arguments, control,
• 1:07:15
  tension, all of this, and all of this led up to Ray being
• 1:07:21
  extremely angry with what was going on, and it was alleged that he tried
• 1:07:28
  to have her killed three times. Now, this was alleged that he had
• 1:07:32
  killed three times, but they obviously weren't successful. The fourth time, though,
• 1:07:41
  he assumed, would be the charm. And so here's what happened on
• 1:07:46
  November fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine. Oh, by the way, at this
• 1:07:49
  point, Sheryk is pregnant with his baby as well. How many kids does
• 1:07:55
  this make? Remember I don't math, so we he had the first one,
• 1:08:00
  and then the second one and our this is three as far as I
• 1:08:03
  know, as far as this story tells me from what I put together,
• 1:08:11
  November fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine, Ray invited Sheryk to watch a movie with
• 1:08:15
  him, the old Netflix and Chill situation. Except it was at a movie
• 1:08:19
  theater and chill, so she drove to his home. She drove to his
• 1:08:26
  home and nearly decided to back out immediately. There were a lot of strange
• 1:08:29
  people in the driveway and around the area. She didn't know. You know
• 1:08:33
  these people, they were walking around. They were making some really weird,
• 1:08:36
  nefarious looking deals. Her mom told her to leave, but she but Ray
• 1:08:42
  convinced her to stay, because of course he did. On the night of
• 1:08:46
  November sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine, they were leaving the theater and returned to
• 1:08:51
  his house. Ray wished to go home with Sherika. All of this is
• 1:08:56
  so weird and it is so like you hindsight is always twenty twenty and I'm
• 1:09:01
  not somebody who was going to who's going to, you know, couch?
• 1:09:08
  What is that word? What? Oh something? Quarterback? What is that?
• 1:09:14
  Armchair quarterback? Thank you? That's how much I don't do it.
• 1:09:19
  I don't. I don't believe in doing that, especially in these situations,
• 1:09:23
  because you don't know what was going on at the time. And but as
• 1:09:26
  I say this, you'll kind of be like, wow, this was evident.
• 1:09:30
  You're more of an armchair detective. Yeah, yeah, Ray wished to
• 1:09:36
  go home with Shereck okay, so they left the theater, returned to his
• 1:09:42
  house. Then he wanted to go to her house, and they drove into
• 1:09:45
  different vehicles, which I find a little strange. Sherica called her roommates.
• 1:09:49
  She was ecstatic to have him over. She called her roommates and asked them
• 1:09:54
  to clean up before he got there because it was a little messy in their
• 1:09:56
  apartment. So she wanted to put on you know, she wanted to to
• 1:10:00
  have it nice. He led the way to her apartment. So he led
• 1:10:04
  the way, driving her to her apartment in two different cars. She followed
• 1:10:09
  close behind, and then two hit men named Little Man and New York and
• 1:10:15
  another were behind her, and they drove until they were in a quiet area
• 1:10:19
  away from everything. Ray immediately just stopped his car and Sherika slammed on the
• 1:10:26
  brakes and the hitman's car went into the opposing traffic's lane, pulled up to
• 1:10:31
  the side, and they shot five rounds into the vehicle. Now, I
• 1:10:39
  don't know of hitmen that have standards or morals. I'm sure some of them
• 1:10:45
  have some extremes that they won't go to. This happened to be one of
• 1:10:46
  them. And by that I mean the hitmen could not bear to hit the
• 1:10:55
  baby with a bullet, the unborn child with a bullet. But you're gonna
• 1:11:01
  show hitting the mother. Hitting the mother with the bullet is hitting the baby
• 1:11:05
  with the bullet, right, I'm not saying they're smart. Their names are
• 1:11:10
  little Man in New York, one of them named after an Adam Baum and
• 1:11:14
  the other ones. Yeah, Instead they aim for her upper body, of
• 1:11:20
  course. Shericka Adams was shot four times while driving her car. One bullet
• 1:11:28
  was an inch or two from the baby, so got awful close, guys.
• 1:11:32
  The investigation later revealed that Ruth had orchestrated a premeditated plan to have her
• 1:11:38
  killed. The motive behind the crime was allegedly carused desire to avoid child support
• 1:11:42
  payments and protect his football career. Just going nowhere anyways, Okay, has
• 1:11:47
  he no he can go get neutered? Probably not. It sounds like he
• 1:11:55
  doesn't care. It is really what it sounds like it so the yeah,
• 1:12:00
  the brutal it would right. The brutal shooting left Adam's Shreyka severely injured in
• 1:12:06
  fighting for her life, and Ray Well, Ray drove away to play video
• 1:12:11
  games with a friend. He just left, so he didn't even get out
• 1:12:15
  and try to pretend that, oh my god, somebody shot my date.
• 1:12:19
  Somebody weren't his gun, weren't his bullets. He didn't do it. He
• 1:12:26
  just stopped. Okay, what a piece Okay, can you can say it
• 1:12:35
  real slow and I'll beep it. What a piece of shit? I guess
• 1:12:42
  it only beeps for me. But it didn't play while you did it,
• 1:12:46
  so maybe, I mean, I'm sorry that he didn't even try to pretend
• 1:12:51
  that he cared. No, not at all. I mean, I would
• 1:12:56
  stop for somebody. I don't even know if I saw that happen. Well,
• 1:13:00
  and I'm not defending what he did, obviously, I'm trying to understand
• 1:13:04
  it. But they were in a remote area to the point in which the
• 1:13:08
  hitman could pull to the side of the car, so nobody saw anything.
• 1:13:13
  There's no reason to tie him to it, truly, I mean, obviously,
• 1:13:18
  except for she told her roommates to clean up. We're coming there,
• 1:13:24
  right, Well, that's true, but my understanding is that maybe she called
• 1:13:29
  them on the way there, but I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:13:31
  It was nineteen ninety nine, so yeah, so this all happened. He
• 1:13:41
  drove away, and she ended up calling the police, and while she was
• 1:13:44
  bleeding out, she was on a twelve minute phone call with police as they
• 1:13:47
  went looking for her, and she let them know she was pregnant, and
• 1:13:50
  she told them that it was Caruth who did this to her. And she
• 1:13:56
  didn't know exactly where she was, right, no, couldn't. She had
• 1:14:00
  the fortitude to drive down the street onto the lawn of a home. She
• 1:14:03
  honked her horn. She hoped people would hear her and help the EMS find
• 1:14:08
  her, because the EMS drove past her once already. Now she wasn't moving,
• 1:14:14
  I mean she was moving, right, she was moving, yeah,
• 1:14:15
  And there's a there nineteen ninety nine. Well, it's better than just sitting
• 1:14:21
  there, because if you just sit there, they might come back and finish
• 1:14:24
  you off. I mean, it's true. If you can drive, drive,
• 1:14:28
  And she got to a place where there were witnesses ideally right, So
• 1:14:32
  eventually they got her. She was rushed to the hospital. She went into
• 1:14:35
  surgery immediately to save the baby. There there wasn't a lot of hope because
• 1:14:43
  the baby was actually without oxygen to the brain for seventy minutes and there was
• 1:14:47
  no blood supply for mom supporting the baby. The baby was born premature.
• 1:14:56
  Sherika was adamant that the baby would be in atoms and not a career.
• 1:15:00
  I agree the baby. The child had severe brain cell death due to a
• 1:15:05
  lack of oxygen, was born with cerebral palsy, but the child made it.
• 1:15:15
  Caruth, boy, get ready, everybody, Uh, this is a
• 1:15:21
  This guy's a winner. Uh Sandra, Uh, yes, yes, this
• 1:15:25
  guy is an absolute crazy piece of How have I never heard this story?
• 1:15:33
  I'm just gonna say, how have I not heard about this literal piece of
• 1:15:39
  shit? Yeah? So here's the best worst. It's a terrible part.
• 1:15:45
  Caruth went to the hospital. He went to the hospital with another girlfriend to
• 1:15:54
  visit the baby. Yes, stop, he tries to kill her and the
• 1:16:08
  baby. Mm. Then he takes another woman to go see the baby.
• 1:16:15
  Mm hmm. Not only that first thing. What was that woman thinking to
• 1:16:20
  go with him? Because I have to tell you, I'd be like,
• 1:16:25
  no, dude, you need to go by yourself. There's a piece of
• 1:16:30
  me that thinks he wasn't really hanging out with winners, just a thought.
• 1:16:35
  I don't know, but but like so he went. They don't know what
• 1:16:40
  he don't know what lies he told this person either it's and but here's the
• 1:16:46
  thing. While he was there, like I said, he didn't ask how
• 1:16:49
  Sherica was doing. He took a picture of the child to show off,
• 1:16:55
  and he said the baby looked just like him, and then he left Sherika
• 1:16:59
  to succumb to her in injuries. A month later, she died. Yep.
• 1:17:04
  Now, before she died, he was arrested by police and god released
• 1:17:12
  on a three million dollar bond, which I think because he's a football player,
• 1:17:19
  right yeah, oh, for sure, for sure, because he's a
• 1:17:23
  football player. Uh the Panthers, Carolina Panthers. Oh oh yeah, and
• 1:17:33
  so uh he said when he was released that if Shericha or the baby died,
• 1:17:41
  he would turn himself in. We believe him, right, No,
• 1:17:45
  he's a narcissistic ass wipe. So when she died, he fled and as
• 1:17:54
  a fugitive it was at that point. But he didn't take the baby,
• 1:17:57
  did he? No? No? No? No? Uh. The baby
• 1:18:00
  I believe ended up with her family hopefully. I M so look at that
• 1:18:11
  story. Yeah, there's parts in this story where I think the baby went
• 1:18:15
  to the to her family, and there's parts of the story where I feel
• 1:18:17
  like his mother actually shared custody, because yeah, so we'll get there.
• 1:18:27
  It wasn't until he was a fugitive running that the Carolina Panthers released him.
• 1:18:31
  I don't understand. At no point do I understand, not even if you're
• 1:18:36
  even basing it off of the most unnecessary reason of optics. I don't understand.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, I mean, yes, I'm going to say people make fake
• 1:18:47
  allegations of sexual assault and things to get money. Yes, we know that
• 1:18:53
  happens. Nobody can fake an attempted murder where he've been shot. The thing
• 1:19:03
  is is that I believe he was arrested because number one, Cherika called the
• 1:19:10
  police and told them who did this to her? And I believe they got
• 1:19:14
  the hit men to roll on ray for hiring them because they were part of
• 1:19:20
  the prosecution's witness list. Now that would tell me that there's probably pretty good
• 1:19:28
  evidence. And the reason they're bringing a trial is because they have it to
• 1:19:31
  convict him, and they're certainly not Palm Beach County, which Travis Rudolph and
• 1:19:40
  can't do it, can't do it. They they they're like the mister Magoo
• 1:19:48
  of detectives over there. I'll say it. Don't offend mister Magoo that way.
• 1:19:56
  That is just not nice. That's funny because that's exactly what Mark Steiner,
• 1:20:00
  Travis's lawyer said last night when we interviewed him and his wife Heidi.
• 1:20:04
  He said, uh, he said, I called her Barney Fife and I
• 1:20:08
  felt bad for insulting Barney Fife. Yeah, don't. I'm like, don't
• 1:20:11
  do that to mister McGough. So Caruth went on the run, and he
• 1:20:18
  led them on a nationwide manhunt. Media coverage intensified as the search for Caruth
• 1:20:25
  captured the public's attention. After more than a week of evading authorities, Caruth
• 1:20:28
  was apprehended in Tennessee. He was discovered hiding in a woman's trunk in her
• 1:20:32
  car. Uh. He was surrounded by money, clothes, chocolate bars,
• 1:20:38
  and bottles to pee in who told them he was there his mother, Shit,
• 1:20:49
  Okay, good job, mom. I would turn my son in right,
• 1:20:57
  right, right, right, all right. So I'll give you guys
• 1:21:02
  an update on Rain a second. I see that some of you are asking
• 1:21:04
  as he's still in prison. I hope you're gonna give us an update on
• 1:21:09
  the child you said you are. Now I'm asking are you because I googled
• 1:21:15
  it to find out who had the child. And I'm just gonna tell you
• 1:21:19
  it's gonna send you over the top. I knew I'm having trouble controlling myself.
• 1:21:28
  I'm about to break my glass. Well, you can tell that part
• 1:21:31
  and I'll tell the article that I just found from June first, twenty twenty
• 1:21:34
  one, which has some more positive on the positive news. All right,
• 1:21:43
  So his arrest marked the beginning of a highly publicized legal battle that would lay
• 1:21:47
  bare the extent of his involvement in the crime. And while he was in
• 1:21:51
  prison, oh nah, while he was in prison, he decided that he
• 1:21:57
  would find the nerve to ask for full custody of Serik's child. And that's
• 1:22:00
  what I found, was that, And I was wondering, I'm like,
• 1:22:06
  w t F. Yeah, the child, the child did get to see
• 1:22:15
  him and he his child. Who am I? What am I writing?
• 1:22:18
  The child? He got to see his child, albeit through glass while being
• 1:22:21
  held up by his own mother. So uh yeah, okay, I'm gonna
• 1:22:31
  just have to stop. Yeah, me too. Why why there's certain things
• 1:22:38
  I found. I'm not as good as some other folks in terms of finding
• 1:22:42
  facts and figures. I'm just gonna tell you, I would go to prison
• 1:22:46
  before I took my grandchild to go see his father who killed his mother while
• 1:22:54
  she was pregnant with him. Yeah, a judge would have to put me
• 1:22:58
  in jail. Oh yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I'm probably the
• 1:23:03
  same way in Texas, they would have terminated his parental rights. So good
• 1:23:11
  job for Texas. They would have got rid of there with parental rights.
• 1:23:15
  I will say that might be the one thing I agree on. So Ray
• 1:23:20
  carus arrest on December fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine, marked a turning point in
• 1:23:24
  the investigation. He faced several charges, including first degree murder, conspiracy to
• 1:23:28
  commit murder, and other related offenses. The prosecution argued that Caruth had conspired
• 1:23:31
  with accomplices to have Sherka Adams killed. They presented evidence that suggested Caru's active
• 1:23:36
  participation and knowledge of the murder plot. Now during the trial, the prosecution
• 1:23:44
  methodically presented its case against Caruth, utilizing witness testimonies, phone records, forensic
• 1:23:48
  evidence to build a compelling narrative, which is exactly what a prosecution should do,
• 1:23:54
  right they have the burden of proof put it together. Key witnesses,
• 1:23:57
  including Caru's co conspirators provided damning accounts of his involvement in planning the murder.
• 1:24:02
  Their testimony shed light on Caru's motives, actions, and the level of premeditation
• 1:24:09
  behind the crime. Now, I'm not quite sure what the defense could do
• 1:24:14
  at this point. I'm sure they're just trying to save his life, right,
• 1:24:18
  But he did have a good defense and the majority of you know who
• 1:24:24
  it was, and his name was David Rudolph. Does anybody remember the name
• 1:24:32
  David Rudolph? Do you remember he's the defense attorney. Hold on my brains
• 1:24:46
  because this is in Florida. Uh no, not, Oh it's Carolina.
• 1:24:54
  Okay, I was thinking Anthony, but it's not Anthony. No. No.
• 1:25:00
  He was the defense attorney for Michael Peterson from the Staircase documentary, The
• 1:25:06
  Stare, The Owl, The Staircase. Yeah. Yeah, So here's here's
• 1:25:15
  what they did. Did he say an owl? Did it? They argued
• 1:25:19
  that he declined a drug deal. The dealers got angry, retaliated by hurting
• 1:25:23
  Sherika, and they said Caruth didn't need money because he was making good money.
• 1:25:30
  Okay, yes, because you're making good money doesn't mean you don't want
• 1:25:33
  more. Oh, It's very true. It's very true. At that point,
• 1:25:38
  like I said, I feel like they were just trying to save his
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  life in some way, shape or form, trying to reduce the aggravating factors.
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  But there was none of that. So on January twenty second, two
• 1:25:48
  thousand and one, the jury delivered its verdict and Ray Caruth was found guilty
• 1:25:54
  of conspiracy to commit murder, but he was acquitted a first degree murder.
• 1:26:00
  He was convicted on lesser charges, including using an instrument to destroy an unborn
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  child. So they couldn't how could it not be first degree murder because first
• 1:26:12
  degree murder you planned it. He obviously planned it, because he told them
• 1:26:15
  where to be, when to be. I wish I had more information.
• 1:26:27
  I really should have pulled the court records, but who knows if I would
• 1:26:29
  have even been able to find them. I'm just not that good. So
• 1:26:33
  they sentenced him to a minimum of eighteen years and eleven months in prison.
• 1:26:41
  Yeah, he You forgot to state one thing. It was in a minimum
• 1:26:48
  security prison. Yes, yes he was. He was not in a max.
• 1:26:57
  And I'm sure that has something to do with the fact that he was
• 1:26:59
  acquitted first degree and found guilty on conspiracy. Also, he's a football player,
• 1:27:05
  so I will say I will say this. He's served that. But
• 1:27:15
  after serving nearly nineteen years in jail for conspiracies conspiring to kill Sherka, he
• 1:27:21
  was released in October of twenty eighteen. He I don't know, I don't
• 1:27:34
  know. I really wish I could have watched a few more things in terms
• 1:27:39
  of what he said and what he's done since then. But it's it's frustrating,
• 1:27:44
  and I know it's frustrating to everybody who's watching. So the devastating consequences
• 1:27:50
  of the crime just reverberated through sheryck Adams family, and despite fighting for her
• 1:27:57
  life after the shooting, she's succumbed to her injuries. Her death left a
• 1:28:00
  profound void in the lives for loved ones, and one of particular significance was
• 1:28:05
  the impact on her son. And I'm not going to name him. I'm
• 1:28:09
  just not. You can find it, but I really don't want to.
• 1:28:12
  I will tell you an update about him, but I'm not going to give
• 1:28:15
  you his name because I think he needs to live the life that he should.
• 1:28:19
  He's anybody, but he's already suffered enough. He pleasant need right his
• 1:28:30
  life his son. Her son's life, not his son's life. Her son's
• 1:28:36
  life became a symbol of resilience and forgiveness. He had the support of his
• 1:28:42
  grandmother, now Ray Carruth. Case sparked a broader conversation about domestic violence,
• 1:28:47
  athlete entitlement, and the responsibility of professional sports organizations. The NFL faced criticism
• 1:28:53
  for its handling of off field behavior by players, and was prompted to implement
• 1:28:57
  stricter policies and programs aimed at preventing an resting domestic violence. It doesn't work.
• 1:29:03
  No, yeah, no again, it's now. Did he ever get
• 1:29:09
  custody of the child? Because the article I pulled up he was wanting to
• 1:29:13
  get custody. It doesn't look like he did. Yeah. So, while
• 1:29:19
  he was serving a sentence, he expressed remorse for his actions. He sought
• 1:29:23
  opportunities for redemption. He reached out to the grandmother Sherika's Sherica's mom, share
• 1:29:30
  Saunder Adams, with the intention of establishing a relationship with his son from prison.
• 1:29:34
  These attempts at reconciliation and personal growth raised questions about the potential for change,
• 1:29:40
  redemption, and forgiveness in the aftermath of such a heinous crime. Now,
• 1:29:46
  let me give an update on the sun he in. In June of
• 1:29:58
  twenty twenty one one, he graduated from Charlotte High School. He's walked across
• 1:30:06
  the stage with the other high school students, and he walked across without the
• 1:30:15
  aid of his walker that he uses. Less and Less was standing tall and
• 1:30:19
  was holding onto the arm of his favorite high school teacher. He's had b
• 1:30:25
  to be graduating. He's twenty one. He does have permanent brain damage.
• 1:30:31
  He does have cerebral palsy, but that hasn't stopped him. I'm trying to
• 1:30:39
  see anything more In terms of updates, I can tell you. I can
• 1:30:44
  tell you this about Caruth. He was released in October twenty eighteen. Upon
• 1:30:46
  his release, he moved to Pennsylvania to live with a friend. This person
• 1:30:51
  who wrote this article track down his address, rang his doorbell and obtained the
• 1:30:56
  only interview he's ever given since getting out of prison. And he's he's twenty
• 1:31:02
  twenty one, he's forty nine, now fifty. Now, why did he
• 1:31:11
  send his son then nineteen years in prison? I don't know. They send
• 1:31:16
  him to eighteen and some months minimum. I guess they thought he was done
• 1:31:21
  so since he became a freeman. And I will say this because we all
• 1:31:26
  know how podcasting can be. This is from the Charlotte Observer and it's written
• 1:31:30
  by Scott Fowler. And so before somebody comes for me, all of the
• 1:31:35
  horses will be yes. Put on the podcast app Yes. So since he
• 1:31:42
  became a freeman, Caruth sent his son several thousand dollars through the court system
• 1:31:45
  in twenty nineteen. He owes the Adams' millions in damages, but he has
• 1:31:50
  had no face to face contact with his son since his son was a baby.
• 1:31:56
  Saundra Adam Shrik's mother and the woman who's raised him from birth, doesn't
• 1:31:59
  they Caruth knows that her grandson is about to graduate from high school. She
• 1:32:03
  says that I'm hoping someone will tell him about this great milestone that he's reaching.
• 1:32:09
  But Jerika's mother long ago forgave Caruth and his three co conspirators in that
• 1:32:15
  murder for higher plot. And she said, and as always, I'm still
• 1:32:20
  open, maybe we can have some communication. I Caruth never admitted that he
• 1:32:28
  orchestrated her murder. She's a better woman than me. Yeah, and the
• 1:32:33
  hitman is still in prison. So yeah, I just there's a lot that
• 1:32:42
  do you know if they he owes the money? But did they ever I
• 1:32:48
  guess you wouldn't call it garnish since he was in jail, But did that
• 1:32:51
  they ever freeze his money that was in the bank, if he had any
• 1:32:57
  to help pay for the son's medical bills? Or was the grandmother stuck with
• 1:33:02
  all those bills? What I'm what I'm thinking? Or did the NFL step
• 1:33:09
  up and give the retirement or whatever bonds to the cat? No? No,
• 1:33:15
  I know, at least people I try, well people, I try
• 1:33:24
  A monster not a monster A somebody somebody asked, yeah, somebody asked if
• 1:33:33
  we does he know what happened to his mom? I'm guessing that he does,
• 1:33:39
  yes, But but yeah, it's fascinating. Big corporations like the NFL
• 1:33:48
  are monsters and really need to be held accountable for what they don't do just
• 1:33:53
  as much as what they do. And so that doesn't happen as long as
• 1:33:57
  they're making states money and politicians like that. And so you know, if
• 1:34:01
  they stopped making politicians in the States money, they might actually hold their feet
• 1:34:04
  to the fire. But until then, that's never going to happen. So
• 1:34:11
  that's my small soap box about that, and yeah, that's the case of
• 1:34:18
  Ray Caruth. Sorry to bring everybody down, JT. Yes, it's gonna
• 1:34:30
  say, I thought my most book. You beat me on darkness this time.
• 1:34:39
  Sorry and sad the race karma didn't hit him. No, I don't
• 1:34:50
  know how he's living. I don't know how he's living it almost because he's
• 1:34:57
  he was football legend. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure, I don't
• 1:35:03
  know. He had a lot of money, he spent a lot of money,
• 1:35:05
  he lived lavishly to a degree for a certain amount of time. He
• 1:35:10
  went to prison and was reduced to nothing except for a number and even though
• 1:35:14
  he might have been treated better now he has released, maybe because he was
• 1:35:16
  a football player, maybe for another reason, but I highly doubt he's living
• 1:35:19
  the lifestyle that he did. And I bet you that that is just salt
• 1:35:24
  in the wound, I hope. Okay, I just looked up Ray Cruth's
• 1:35:30
  current net worth. Oh god, ten thousand dollars all right, still more
• 1:35:39
  than me, So you know, I fine. Probably because he's living with
• 1:35:45
  his uncle or his best friend and doesn't know anything and he just so happens
• 1:35:48
  to have ten thousand dollars. The only good part of this story is that
• 1:35:58
  his son was raised by people who loved him and didn't let what happened to
• 1:36:04
  him become a crutch and stop him from achieving everything and being strong. Because
• 1:36:13
  it can go either way. People can maybe use so much that you don't
• 1:36:15
  get the opportunity to grow because they want to protect you, or they can
• 1:36:19
  help encourage you to be the best you can. And it sounds like he
• 1:36:25
  got that opposite and he can do anything. Don't let this stop you.
• 1:36:31
  I agree absolutely, Not only that, not only that, but he got
• 1:36:36
  a wonderful example, even if even if this guy did not deserve it,
• 1:36:43
  but he got a wonderful example of forgiveness. And and if there's any positive,
• 1:36:55
  it's that right, what you said, and the concept of forgiveness.
• 1:36:58
  And you know that other kids. Is there any comments about the other kids?
• 1:37:04
  I mean, no, I'm wondering. You know that the mom's go
• 1:37:09
  to court and terminate no offense. But if he was my baby daddy,
• 1:37:15
  I would do ever it took to make sure you never saw my kids.
• 1:37:23
  I don't think he wanted to see him anyways. I mean, the only
• 1:37:26
  reason he went to the hospital is to be a complete, complete was that
• 1:37:30
  he was that he he wanted to take a picture to brag that the kid
• 1:37:38
  looked like him, and that was it. Then he fled. So I
• 1:37:43
  don't know, and I don't know where he stands today. To be honest,
• 1:37:46
  it's with you. I don't really want to know. Uh. In
• 1:37:49
  fact, I actually kind of feel bad bringing attention to him, except people
• 1:37:54
  should know that he was he was a monster at least I don't know much
• 1:37:59
  about now. I can't imagine. I'd like to believe in redemption stories,
• 1:38:04
  but there's the point in which you are so depraved that there's no digging.
• 1:38:12
  But for a redemption story, you have to accept what you did wrong,
• 1:38:17
  and you have to go do the work to find out what is broken inside
• 1:38:24
  of you that made you do that. If you can't do all of that,
• 1:38:29
  there is no chance of redemption, not here on earth. Now.
• 1:38:34
  I don't know what conversations, if he has any conversations with a higher power,
• 1:38:39
  but I'm saying on this physical earth, in my opinion, you can't
• 1:38:44
  get redemption if you don't own it, try to figure out why you did
• 1:38:49
  it, and try to be a better person. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:38:56
  I agree, And there were some reports like I said, that never up
• 1:39:00
  to it. So although I don't know how he got out if he never
• 1:39:02
  owned up to it, but justice system, why not, right, let's
• 1:39:09
  agree, yep, they didn't get him on first. Agree. I just
• 1:39:16
  made the mistake of where his mother gay a talk with him being you know,
• 1:39:29
  released, it's locked up, we were locked up to m hmm,
• 1:39:38
  his mother said that, you said, yeah, his mother said that,
• 1:39:42
  and I'm gonny just say my heart hurts for her. M because we love
• 1:39:51
  our kids and you can love them and not like what they've done. But
• 1:39:59
  if that, I'm just thinking, if the roles were reversed, No,
• 1:40:02
  I wasn't in prison. I didn't do the bad thing, right, it's
• 1:40:09
  uh yeah, oh it's frustrating. I feel like I usually will end up
• 1:40:15
  with themes that are deeper and darker than I mean for them to be.
• 1:40:18
  And yet here we are, here, we are sold. You want to
• 1:40:24
  another comment she made and this is all on w CNC. Everybody sit down,
• 1:40:30
  please, I know everybody has come across an unjust situation and say why
• 1:40:39
  us, And right now we're saying why us, as in it's unjust that
• 1:40:45
  he was released. Absolutely, man, one, this is ridiculous why he
• 1:40:50
  was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. I'm starting to think that in my
• 1:40:57
  report, in my notes, I'm starting to think it wasn't his mother that
• 1:41:00
  old police where he was. It was the woman's mother who owned the car
• 1:41:04
  that said something. Because her reactions are telling me that my notes were not
• 1:41:09
  correct, and I'm okay with owning that. Yeah, and she was up
• 1:41:15
  because she was denied joint. Oh hi, Brandy, we have royalty in
• 1:41:20
  the house. We have a celebrity in the house. It's Brandy. But
• 1:41:27
  apparently she's custody either soul or joint, and the court denied his mom.
• 1:41:35
  Okay, all right, so she didn't get any of that. Good,
• 1:41:41
  she didn't get any of that. So I'm just gonna say, you know,
• 1:41:49
  I love my sons. Yeah, and I will love them, but
• 1:41:57
  let me tell you, if they do something like like that, I love
• 1:42:01
  them, I will hope they survive their prison sentence. That they need to
• 1:42:06
  be in prison and they need to stay in prison because I did not raise
• 1:42:12
  them to be that way. No, I will do whatever I can.
• 1:42:18
  No, sorry, I would no, I know what I'm like. I
• 1:42:25
  would turnament. I would be there telling that daughter's mom, What can I
• 1:42:30
  do to help you raise this child that my son helped brought in bring into
• 1:42:33
  the world, but killed your daughter. He can't make amends. Let me
• 1:42:38
  try to. That's because you're a good person, and like when he's not,
• 1:42:46
  people go right or left, and you know, I don't know.
• 1:42:51
  Well, thank you for that god awful, horrible case. Good night,
• 1:42:57
  everybody. That is worse than I really worried you were going to be like,
• 1:43:03
  oh j oh god, no, no, that would take us.
• 1:43:10
  This is worse than oh ja like that. Yeah, that would be a
• 1:43:16
  good trial. If it's out there, that would be like a sixth month.
• 1:43:23
  That'd be like a sixth month adventure for you and Brandy. It would
• 1:43:27
  take me probably a year and a half or more. It was a long
• 1:43:30
  while. It was like six months long, and I'd have to do it
• 1:43:32
  everything. Oh yeah, you'd have to yeah long. Yeah. Well,
• 1:43:41
  thank you for that awful case. Well, thanks to everybody who's listening and
• 1:43:47
  watching now, I know, thank you. I I'm just going to say
• 1:43:54
  I'm very blessed that everybody's here, and I am not a sh shame to
• 1:44:00
  say that only one person is here that I invited. The rest are here
• 1:44:03
  for you. No they're no, no, no, they are here good
• 1:44:09
  fans and they are just accepting me into the fold. You have been on
• 1:44:15
  the other show, and they loved you from the very hind though, before
• 1:44:18
  you were even on, and just in the chat they loved you. And
• 1:44:21
  that's just how that is, because those folks are wonderful and I love them
• 1:44:27
  so much. Yeah, but uh, thanks for hanging out with us,
• 1:44:32
  and thanks for listening, and uh yeah, I'm gonna let you end like
• 1:44:38
  you always do. Well, I'm going to just end before the normal endings,
• 1:44:42
  say, stay tuned because we are going to be bringing Perfect Crime to
• 1:44:48
  our channel and we're working out the details on how often we're going to do
• 1:44:55
  it. And since we were on the thirteenth journy, we've gotten many more
• 1:45:03
  submissions and yes, and I have somebody who's reading them. People are getting
• 1:45:11
  more in depth and thinking through the plan after listening to the first one.
• 1:45:16
  They're not short and sweet, all right, So I'm kind of excited,
• 1:45:21
  but we'll continue to build up to them. And I do want to real
• 1:45:28
  quick thank you Rex for coming to see from the Philippines. I really appreciate
• 1:45:33
  you jumping into your day for me. Yes, and Brandy, I just
• 1:45:40
  want to let you know that I found the Mother Curse button, So okay,
• 1:45:48
  we may have to take it away. We may have to take the
• 1:45:51
  button away from him. I might have to, but no, guys,
• 1:45:59
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• 1:46:03
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