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Bachelor Buzz · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, everybody out there listening. An important
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  Speaker 1: note that you should really consider as we start this
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  Speaker 1: week's podcast, and this is a good one. Like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff in this podcast, you should go out
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  Speaker 1: and follow the almost famous podcast that almost underscore famous podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: And if you have any really strong opinions, especially the
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  Speaker 1: good ones, like the really kind ones talking about how
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  Speaker 1: amazing Ashley is and just how is yeah, how good
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  Speaker 1: Ben is? It? Just like sidekicking this thing. UM, email
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  Speaker 1: us at Benn and Ashley at I heart radio dot com. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big announcement, Ashley, talk to me. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a week since we last spoke. A lot has happened
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  Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation, and we're gonna touch on it, including
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  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison's official resignation. UM, A lot of thoughts, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of a pain ens on that. Mostly I know
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  Speaker 1: you and I both kind of just texted back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: We want to hear from the listeners on their thoughts
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  Speaker 1: and opinions. I mean, I think that's really where we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna understand, like what's going on. But also in your life,
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  Speaker 1: I know there's some updates? What's going on? Is there? Really?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's been a week. Sweetde to pretend like there's
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  Speaker 1: been updates. Um, now I can't say there is. Ben,
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  Speaker 1: has there been any updates in your life? Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: been a big week. Uh, I see, I knew that
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  Speaker 1: you would ask me not not nothing like that exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been a big week. Uh. Well, my my
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  Speaker 1: dad and mom came out this last week to Denver, Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: I also had a miniature board meeting out in Denver,
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  Speaker 1: UH for Humanity and Hope United. So I had a
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  Speaker 1: full week of people like and obviously having parents isn't
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  Speaker 1: as stressful as maybe like having strangers, you know, come visit.
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  Speaker 1: But the board meeting went great. We got on the
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  Speaker 1: lake and then my dad came out for a father
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  Speaker 1: son golf tournament. We got to play in that together
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  Speaker 1: got fourth place, which I'm very proud of. I bet
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  Speaker 1: there was like twenty five teams. Um, so overall great
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  Speaker 1: showing there we had. We went to Red Rocks. If
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  Speaker 1: anybody's listening and they haven't been to Red Rocks, I
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  Speaker 1: know it's a it's a bucket list for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. And if you have been to red Rocks.
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  Speaker 1: You're going. That was one of the coolest things ever.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of the first times I've been around
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  Speaker 1: that many people in a long time, So that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of fun to people watch again. And I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: the I mean, I've talked about it before. I am
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  Speaker 1: the creepiest people watcher. Like I can literally just oh,
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  Speaker 1: I could watch like just people walking and doing whatever
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  Speaker 1: they for like an hour and not like really realize
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  Speaker 1: that We've talked about it when it comes to the mall.
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  Speaker 1: When I go shopping at the mall with Jessica or
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  Speaker 1: my mom, especially as a kids, like I could sit
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  Speaker 1: on those couches and just like kind of doze off
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  Speaker 1: and just enjoy seeing so many humans functioning, which is
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  Speaker 1: I find very creepy but also very enjoyable. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you made me think about the things that I did
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  Speaker 1: this week. I went to my first Red Sox game.
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  Speaker 1: That was fun. Bachelor Nation was out in full force.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no one's, no one's gonna know
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  Speaker 1: who Jared and I are after this pandemic. We were wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It was cool, but we talked a lot about Chris
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  Speaker 1: with like all the fans that came up to US.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of a lot of disappointed
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  Speaker 1: people out there. And then I went to um Watch Hill,
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  Speaker 1: Rhode Island twice in one week because everybody wants to
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  Speaker 1: see where Taylor Swift lives when they come to visit us.
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  Speaker 1: Is that where she lives? Is that her place? Um?
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  Speaker 1: That's like one of her five houses. But apparently she
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  Speaker 1: only stays in this house about one week out of
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  Speaker 1: the year, which is like the ultimate disappointment that this
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  Speaker 1: house sits unoccupied for that long. It is actually the
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  Speaker 1: most expensive residents in Oliver Island. So is this one
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  Speaker 1: of those celebrity houses? Because my my very first trip
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  Speaker 1: to l A, all I want to do is do
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  Speaker 1: one of those star tours where you drive around and you
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  Speaker 1: you see where people live. Probably another creepy thing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, guys. I think I saved myself from
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  Speaker 1: going on the show. People are like, Okay, he's not
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  Speaker 1: that weird. But I really love like just seeing the
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  Speaker 1: houses of where people like live. I just like looking
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  Speaker 1: at houses in general, you know, like not even famous
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  Speaker 1: popose houses. I just like like to drive around and
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  Speaker 1: look at them. Yeah, I think because I like going
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  Speaker 1: to open houses and like seeing like, Okay, well that
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel better. Anyways, is this one of the
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  Speaker 1: houses you could see from the road or is it
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  Speaker 1: kind of like blocked off. You can see it very
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  Speaker 1: well from not the road but from the ocean. Oh
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  Speaker 1: so if you're on the beach, you look up and
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  Speaker 1: you can see the whole backyard, the whole back of
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  Speaker 1: the house. I mean, I feel bad like calling her out,
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  Speaker 1: but like she wrote a song about this house, the
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  Speaker 1: Great American Dynasty song on Folklore, and then she um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like everybody knows if you just like type
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  Speaker 1: in Taylor Swift House, Rhode Island comes up, I'm about
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  Speaker 1: to do that. Well, hey, all of you out there listening,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us again for the Almost Famous Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're about to dive in deep to the second episode
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  Speaker 1: of Katie's season. We're gonna talk everything that came from
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  Speaker 1: the episode. We're also again going to talk about Chris
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  Speaker 1: Harrison's departure, and we're gonna sit down with Ali Fedotowski,
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  Speaker 1: one of Bachelor Nation's favorite bachelorette's here in just a bit.
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  Speaker 1: But before we do, let's take a break and we'll
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  Speaker 1: come back with the Almost Famous podcast. Alright, guys, We've
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  Speaker 1: got Ali Fatowski Mano on the show, and she and
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  Speaker 1: I have something in common. We both moved to fresh
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  Speaker 1: New States after living in l A for years. So Ali, Ali,
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  Speaker 1: how's the transition been? Um? You know, I try to
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  Speaker 1: keep obviously, always things in perspective of like my uncle says,
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  Speaker 1: and I love this thing that he says. He always says, like,
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  Speaker 1: just by being born in this country, you hit the lottery.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, that's so true. So
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  Speaker 1: every time I'm like getting down to myself, I always
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  Speaker 1: remember him saying that. Um. But honestly, it's been a
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  Speaker 1: little bit tough. So that's why when you posted recently about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the move to Rhode Island, I was so
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  Speaker 1: curious how it's been going for you, because for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a tough transition. Like I thought, a moving
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  Speaker 1: to Nashville, the country, it's gonna be amazing, and it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been as amazing as I thought it could be. No,
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  Speaker 1: I get that you you said that it takes two
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  Speaker 1: years to fully adjust to a place. I definitely had
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  Speaker 1: a freak out moment when I first got here. We
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  Speaker 1: were living with my sister in law for like six
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  Speaker 1: weeks and honestly liked living with her, but it was
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  Speaker 1: just I could feel a slower pace of life compared
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  Speaker 1: to l A. And that was even l A under
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  Speaker 1: covid um, thinking like, am I gonna have foma? What
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  Speaker 1: am I doing here? And I could be able to
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  Speaker 1: have like all the outlets for like creative juices and
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  Speaker 1: energy and like just events in l A, Like am
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  Speaker 1: I going to miss going to those? Then when summer
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  Speaker 1: came around, when Jared got Jared, I got a new
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  Speaker 1: got our own place. It started to feel way more right.
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  Speaker 1: This is an easy place to be in the summer um.
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  Speaker 1: But I and for me, it was weird because it's
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  Speaker 1: the first time I'm ever considering someplace to be like
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  Speaker 1: my forever home, like for thirty three years. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you go to school, you start your career, and you're
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  Speaker 1: like you never know where it's gonna take you, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is like where we're gonna like
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  Speaker 1: build a house and put down roots. Friends. I do
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  Speaker 1: have friends, but this is the set. This is the
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  Speaker 1: kind of like sad thing is that all my friends
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  Speaker 1: here are Jared's friends and Jared's friends from like life,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um will like go to
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  Speaker 1: family get togethers and he'll he'll be so energetic and
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  Speaker 1: so happy, and then he like, isn't this this the greatest?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I love your friends. They're like some
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  Speaker 1: of my best friends too, but like sometimes it makes
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  Speaker 1: me sad that like it's always going to be like his,
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  Speaker 1: his circle is going to be like the primary circle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Well, this is what I'll say to that.
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  Speaker 1: Like one thing I've done since we've moved to Nashville's
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  Speaker 1: like I go on friend dates and actually, Ben, I
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  Speaker 1: have you to think for one of those friend dates
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  Speaker 1: d D, which is one of Ben's friends M Ben
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  Speaker 1: and just friends um D. Yeah, he been just Sony
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  Speaker 1: texts one day it was like, Hey, I have friends
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood that saw you at the farmers market
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  Speaker 1: and I want to connect you. And then we went
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  Speaker 1: to dinner with them the other night and like talk
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  Speaker 1: for hours and it was the best ever. Today I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to her son's birthday party with my family. How
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  Speaker 1: is that? I mean? They are the best? Yeah? He uh,
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  Speaker 1: they take Justin out the dinner. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you've experienced this with them yet, but they know Nashville
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  Speaker 1: food better than any other people in the city. And
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  Speaker 1: I can almost promise you that, oh my god, you
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  Speaker 1: have to go to Jack Browns Burgers is my favorite
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  Speaker 1: burgers in the entire world. Well, I am vegetarians, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but they know their food alley uh.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm glad I could do that because yes, she
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  Speaker 1: reached out to me. It was super sweet and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, I just saw Ali. I know this
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  Speaker 1: is weird, and I know probably a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: know where, but like she's in my neighborhood and I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I would like to reach out there. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I think Ali would really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much because we really have been
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  Speaker 1: like putting ourselves out there, like this is what I'll
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  Speaker 1: say to you, actually being in a new place, and
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  Speaker 1: so that you don't feel sort of being an outsider
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  Speaker 1: to Jared's life friends lifelong friends is like go on
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  Speaker 1: friend dates, like whether it's somebody who knows you, knows
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  Speaker 1: you like the way Ben set me up with d
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  Speaker 1: D or whatever it may be like, And I call
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  Speaker 1: them friend dates because look, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to like it's so much easier to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with Jared's friends, right, Like that's the easier
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  Speaker 1: thing to do. It's comfortable, it's easy. But you have
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  Speaker 1: to put yourself out there like your single, think about
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  Speaker 1: that print single, and you have to go out on dates.
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  Speaker 1: You have to force yourself to date friends, to find
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  Speaker 1: the right to find the one, you know, the best year.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I think that definitely
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  Speaker 1: when we have kids and like you start like having
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  Speaker 1: like mommy hangs, that's when things will probably be really easy.
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  Speaker 1: Have you felt like that's helped you, like with the
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  Speaker 1: kids in school and stuff. So my kids are only
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  Speaker 1: in preschool. Um, And what's been hard about COVID is
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  Speaker 1: that there's no social gatherings at the school. Like I've
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  Speaker 1: only met my child's teachers, like for three seconds when
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  Speaker 1: they came outside to drop them off in the lobby.
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  Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen the school. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it looks like besides like pictures and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: security cameras they have up Because of COVID, things have
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  Speaker 1: been really straight to the school. I think they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: start opening things up soon. But like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: any of the other parents. I think that kind of
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  Speaker 1: will open up even more when they get in kindergarten,
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  Speaker 1: like really primary school. Um, but I do think I
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  Speaker 1: am going to start meeting more people that way for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that that is the hardest thing that
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  Speaker 1: you've had with the move friends, like not having yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I you know, when we were in l A.
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  Speaker 1: It was the reason we moved out of l as.
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  Speaker 1: I always know I didn't want to raise my kids.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, you know, I love Los Angeles for what
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  Speaker 1: it has to offer, but and if you grew up
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  Speaker 1: in l A, maybe you want to raise your kids
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  Speaker 1: in l A because that's what you know. But that's
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  Speaker 1: not what I know. Like I know, small town, small school,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the kids you go to kindergarten with or
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  Speaker 1: the kids you graduate high school with. And that's just
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  Speaker 1: not what l A is. And so I knew we
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to raise our kids there, So I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: that we left. But I had this like they went
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  Speaker 1: to the best preschool, and all my girlfriends and I
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  Speaker 1: in l A just happened to have kids at the
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  Speaker 1: same time and they all went to in the same preschool,
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  Speaker 1: or most of them did. And you know, my girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: lived two blocks away and every night came over for wine.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I'm just like adjusting to like the
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  Speaker 1: COVID transition and then like the transition of just not
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  Speaker 1: knowing that many people. But again, I'm like putting myself
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  Speaker 1: out there. I'm going on a lot of friends dates.
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  Speaker 1: Is the birthday party that we're going to with d
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  Speaker 1: D that Ben introduced me to is today, and that's
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  Speaker 1: our first birthday party. So I definitely see it like
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  Speaker 1: headed in the right direction. Oh good. You know two
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  Speaker 1: things I want to touch on with you, Alex. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a really interesting topic for people listening. Also,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, Jessica moved to
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  Speaker 1: Denver from me and it's a big deal, and we
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  Speaker 1: kind of took this strategy where obviously we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: some time with my friends, like that's gonna happen. I
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  Speaker 1: hang out with them a lot, but it was always
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  Speaker 1: encouraged that like, she doesn't need to be around for that,
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  Speaker 1: and that like for a bit, it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like that, hey, you're off on your own, go find
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  Speaker 1: what you're looking for, and if it happens, they come
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  Speaker 1: back full circle with friends of you know, of the
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  Speaker 1: wives or girlfriends and my buddies. Great. If not, that's
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  Speaker 1: fine too. It's been a really interesting process for her though,
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  Speaker 1: because she's she has a lot of social gatherings. She's
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  Speaker 1: dating friends a lot right now. But I think that's
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  Speaker 1: such great advice because it's kind of been that, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to force you into this, like you
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  Speaker 1: have to hang out these five people and their wives thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of opened her up, I think, and she
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  Speaker 1: encouraged it, like to explore. So it brings me my question.
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  Speaker 1: I say all that, just say thanks for that advice,
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  Speaker 1: because I think it is great advice. Ally, Um, you've moved,
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  Speaker 1: actually you've moved as well, so maybe the question be
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  Speaker 1: for both of you, what have you found that's important
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  Speaker 1: in the city now? I mean you you've gotten comfortable
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  Speaker 1: in l A. Now you're in a new city. What
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  Speaker 1: is it when because a lot of people have moved
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  Speaker 1: during COVID, a lot of people have switched around. What
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  Speaker 1: is it that you're like, what's important to you there?
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  Speaker 1: Outside of friendships that we've already talked about. Food, Um, honestly, food,
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  Speaker 1: Like when Kevin and I my husband, when we were
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out where we wanted to live, in Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: We we picked a restaurant that one let me cavey
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  Speaker 1: at this with I'm vegetarian and my husband's vegan. And
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  Speaker 1: we moved to the South where barbecue. So we knew
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  Speaker 1: that there was this one restaurant true food that we
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  Speaker 1: really like to go to. There's a bunch of l
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  Speaker 1: a so you guys might have been, um, they're good,
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  Speaker 1: But so we knew that where that restaurant was, and
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  Speaker 1: we kept saying to our realtor, how far is this
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  Speaker 1: from true food? How far is this from true food? Like,
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  Speaker 1: we just wanted to live near a restaurant where we
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  Speaker 1: knew we could get food that we could eat and enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: But honestly, the food has been one of the hardest
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  Speaker 1: transitions for me because I'm so used to l a
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  Speaker 1: food where everything it's like pretty healthy, Like you can
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  Speaker 1: order like the unhealthiest thing on the menu and like
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  Speaker 1: it's still kind of healthy. Like it's kind of crazy,
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't really realize that until I move somewhere
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  Speaker 1: where that's not the case. That's so funny. I feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way. They have no organic fruits and vegetables
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  Speaker 1: here at the grocery store, like even Trader Joe's, Like
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  Speaker 1: you can't necessarily find like every every food, like every
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  Speaker 1: piece of produce, like they don't always have an organic
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  Speaker 1: version of it, and just just Rhode Island in general,
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  Speaker 1: they're not health conscious whatsoever. Like here, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: all about like barbecue and biscuits and gravy and butter,
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  Speaker 1: and so I will go and order, like and I
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  Speaker 1: went to this restaurant the other day and it was
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  Speaker 1: like a new American restaurant, you know, really nice. And
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  Speaker 1: we ordered because again, we're vegetarian, and there isn't a
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  Speaker 1: lot for us to choose and a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: menus here, so a lot of times we just order
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of sides because that's the only thing we
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  Speaker 1: can eat. So we like order like the broccolini, the
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  Speaker 1: Brussels sprouts, the roasted carrots, and they were all so
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  Speaker 1: drenched and sauce and butter and like even the vegetables
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  Speaker 1: are healthy. So I've gained like ten bounds as you
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  Speaker 1: moved here, which isn't the end of the world. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not like uba focused on that, but like I am like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like I have to pay attention to that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd say friends is the most important thing when
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  Speaker 1: you move. You know friends like you know people that
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  Speaker 1: you see yourself being friends with. Um. And then the
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  Speaker 1: second thing for me is food. Food. It's great. Well, Ali,
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  Speaker 1: I hope this birthday party goes so fantastically. They are
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  Speaker 1: great people. You're great people. Even if it doesn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: even if this friendship date doesn't uh continue to happen,
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  Speaker 1: it's just nice, you know what's happening. Nice to know
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you're hanging uh. Well, you even just said that they
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• 15:49
  Speaker 1: So it's like a match made in heaven. You gave
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  Speaker 1: me the thank you for setting me up on the
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  Speaker 1: perfect blind date. I love it, Alic Ali, you've watched
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  Speaker 1: Katie's episode second episode? Right? Yeah? Okay? Is it okay
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  Speaker 1: if we break down the second episode with you here
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Yes, let's do it all right, Let's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: take a break, and when we come back, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: break down Katie Thurston's second episode of her Bachelor at
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  Speaker 1: the nitty gritty of the episode, how do you feel
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: about the states of the franchise currently? Um? I mean
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it's shifting for sure, in so many great ways. Um,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and then some ways that might feel, um, a little unfamiliar.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Like even when I was watching Katie's episode, I didn't
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: watch the first episode. Just you know, I did watch
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the second one. Um. I always find the first episode
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: is boring, I worry, but this was actually a good
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: first episode. Oh no, maybe I need to go back
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and watch it. Um. But like little things of like
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know the transitions now is a voice that we
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: don't know you know, like it makes it almost seem
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: like a different show. Um, and then even you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like the girls Caitlin and Tasia being there, like it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just feels a little bit different. And we've got passed
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the essences come out in the past that sort of
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: be there as a common theme throughout. Um. I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen with the show.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I hope it continues, Like I love the show. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: have a dear place in my heart for the show.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I just don't know, like I do you know, I mean,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you guys might know better than me. Do you know
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: why they split up two bacherettes and did like two
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: short seasons. We think it's because Michelle wanted to continue
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: teaching over this year and she didn't get out of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: school until now. Oh gosh, it almost feels like, why
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they just go do a couple episodes from her
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: hometown that that doesn't seem like a real thing to me,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, for instance, um, Emily
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Maynard years ago, and she wanted they wanted her to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: be the bachelrette, and instead of breaking it out into
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: they went to her hotel and filmed there. Because she's like, look,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, you know, so like the show will
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: bend over backwards for you. So I don't think I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: don't think that could be it. Um maybe that's what
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they're saying. Maybe that's like the excuse or they're trying
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to like let out, but that's what it is. COD
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: could have played a role in that too. Um, just
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, because like can you be around kids? Can
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you icolatetown? I'm with you. It still feels like there's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: more to it, but like COVID can be the used
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: excuse for everything right now, Like I don't know that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: makes sense and that is for me. I just feel
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like Katie is not like getting her time to shine
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the way she should, you know, Like I feel like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: having the split season, the short seasons. Um. And don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: get me wrong this, I love Caitlin and Tasia. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: think they bring so much fun to the show. But
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: like if I was Katie, I would be so intimidated
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: standing next to Caitlin and Tasia. I'm trying to get
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: these guys to be interested in me, like when I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was the Bachelor, at my biggest fear, like I I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like to this day, like say, like I was the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: worst dress bachelor atte like I claimed that title and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: like most like you know, need needing help with my
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: appearance bachelorette. But I was so oh um insecure as
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a bachelrette. I thought all the guys would be disappointed
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: than I was the bachelorette. I thought that there's no
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: way I can step in these shoes. I'm not pretty enough,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not skinny enough, I'm not in shape enough, I'm
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: not whatever it may be. So for me watching it,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my gosh, I would have
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like I would have just been even more insecure if
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I had these two beautiful women sitting next to me,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like I would in my mind, I'd keep thinking, I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: wonder which one of these guys wishes they were on
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: last season of the Bachelotte with Tasha, you know, like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: what if they applied for her season, because you know
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that happens a lot. A guy will apply, somebody will mind,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: they'll get pushed to the next season because they will
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: make it, or even their quarantined, right and how you're
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: quarantine at the beginning of the season for a couple
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of weeks and some people get let go as extras,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like what if one of those guys was supposed to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: be unclair tatious season and then I don't know anyway,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So I feel kind of for her. And maybe Katie's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: way more like secure with herself than I am. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: think she is um or at least than I was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: back then. But I just thinking that for her. It's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: interesting to hear you say that, because I think every
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: lead I've talked to after doing it has had similar
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: feelings to like you, to what you had. I mean,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I know I did. I just think it's it's probably
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: very human to feel like, hey, I don't want to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: deserve to be here too. There's no way thirty people
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: are that interested in me to date me at one
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: time and like stick around and go through this for me.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: We talked about it last week. We brought up that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: question because Ashley and I both said, hey, I remember
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: during my season of The Bachelor, like I had girls
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that you know, had a little crush on Harrison or
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they had a little crush on a producer. Now not
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that they were ever acting on it, not that that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: was ever like a thing that it was kind of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a joke, But you're so insecure that like those things
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: start to like poke at you a little bit over time,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and so we robbed a question last week, Hey, would
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: this feel weird to you? Like, would it be odd
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to have too beautiful people who were recently on the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: show standing next to you? Like this? Is that added
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: different fact or a different level to the show? Yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I think so, for sure? For sure for all the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: reason times stated like I would just be like, can
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you guys like stop looking so pretty next to me? Like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, Katie does seem very confident
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in yourself, Like I love how she's handled so many things, um,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you know, even from letting And I'm not going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: know any of the guy's names, so I'm just gonna
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: sort of like I feel like at the beginning of the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the season, I never know, I just like refer to situations. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like the guy who was like famous, She was like,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not letting you go because I hearsay I'm letting
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you go because there's no trust already. Like I thought
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that was so like intuitive of her to even use
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: those words like I would I would have let him go,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but I would have liked been like, oh, it's because
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I don't really like you that much. And this guy
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: says you're bad bye. You know, like she found a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: really smart way to say like there's already no trust
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just I appreciate her and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, she's definitely some maturity to her.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I mean she showed it to us in last season
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: when she uh stood up for the bully in the house.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: She mentioned that there's a big group message with a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of former bachelorettes guiding her along the way.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I assuming you're in it? How I we just told
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: me about it and I wasn't. How active is this thread?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Obviously the last thing I'll tell you the last thing
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that was we all get in trouble for this. Depending
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: on what it says, I will hold on. How do
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I even I look it up? It's under just b
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: s here it is okay, uh oh, it's just Caitlin
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Bristo saying so fun, You're so freaking cue and relatable.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. So it's very supportive. Um, you know, we're
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: always all there for each other. One thing I will say,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it's been really great about this group, Like we text
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a lot when it's you know, we we welcome Katie
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: into the group. Here are the last text before that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: were like, um, so like June three, June five. Actually
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's kind of more May twenty two. Every couple of weeks,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I would say, it gets like active and then dies down.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But I will say, like every time someone has a project,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like a podcast or something, everybody's like, yeah, what can
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I post? Give me the link? And so I find
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like that, like women's supporting woman is really great. Um yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So I think we're all just kind of they're like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: hyping each other up and trying to be supportive and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: give advice. And it's funny because the group was kind
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of like it didn't grow that much for so long,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Like you get one a new person a year, right,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: but the last like eight months, we've gotten four new
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: We've got Claire indentation, and then now you know, yeah, Michelle,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's fun Who started the threat, Like who
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: came up with it? Probably trist Up. Trist is all
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: about bringing people together. I feel like my mother and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the mother of the franchise. I decided while watching this
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: episode that I preferred The Bachelor at over The Bachelor.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's a more romantic series, and I think
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that might have something to do with the fact that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they decided to do two back to back. Oh, because
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: people like it more, you think, But aren't the ratings worse?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The ratings are worse, But it is because I do
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: believe it's because the time of the year, because it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the summertime. Possibly. Real funny thing though, before we go
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: off the text chain, So we've had this text chain
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and then we're we're texting there,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: like some of the things we text each other are
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like kind of you know, crazy and girl talking whatever.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You can imagine. We're drinking wine texting each other like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we used to zoom at the beginning of the quarantine
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and drink wine together. Um. At one point during the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: text chain had been going on for like a year,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, this person text the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: chain says, I don't know who all of you are.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Can you please take me off this group message. I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: think it was my fault as I had Caitlin Bristow's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: old phone number. I had put that in because we
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: were like putting the gad together and I it was
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: We laughed so hard, like some person out there in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: this world. Those things about the Bachelor and Bachelor franchise
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that nobody should know, and that is amazing. Ali, I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: would I mean, I hope it's like a super fan
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: who now is hearing this and listen to the podcast.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It's like I literally could have just stayed quiet and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I could have had all of the info. Oh my gosh,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the headlines that person could have sent over so good.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's got to be someone that's never
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: seen the show before because they would have known who
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: we were. Well, Ali, uh, we are going to break
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: down the episode with you. You are expert. Um Ashley
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: always guides us through these episode breakdowns, so I'm gonna
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: pass it off to her. Thanks for sticking around for this.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: You're the best I'm gonna be here from my commentary,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: but I feel like you can really speak some wisdom
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: into what's going on behind the scenes of the said.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's start with the first group date. We
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: have Christian Garrett, Trey, Courtney, Mike p James, Justin, Thomas
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: connor By, and Carl. They all get invited on a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: date and it's pretty known right off the bat that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this guy Carl is annoying the guys, And at first
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, ah, guys, just annoying, Right, He's just
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the annoying guy. He's not going to be bad, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: then we see later in the episode there's actually like
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: kind of bad. Um who what were the standout moments
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: on this group date for you? Oh my gosh, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: literally just watched the episode an hour ago and you're
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: forgetting already. What was the group date? Yeah, I'm thinking
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Okay, what they did was with the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Heather mc with Heather McDonald, they were supposed to do.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: They're supposed to like express why they were the greatest lover.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They're all okay, And Carl's the guy who went up
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and just started yelling obscenities and then later the episode
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: had the white boards and all that. Yeah, Carl is
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the one who like started drama at the cocktail party. So, yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Carl will be gone soon or he's gonna stick around
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: for drama sick. But Kay seems like she's not necessarily
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: doing that whole thing because the way she let Cody go,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But that's later in the episode. Will get there then, Okay, Yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: so let's go have the McDonald on stage talking about
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: how the guys are gonna have to prove basically how
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: sexual they are. I immediately am like, okay, so we're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: getting a date like this every single season I had.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I was the host of the date last time when
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the guys are the girls had to tell Matt you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: know read read it eroica yeah to him, and I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: thought that was, like, you know, it was fun. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm not down for the over sexualization,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: but my date was fun. I think you can like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: really convert it into something romantic, like they like to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: pretend like you're gonna have to be like super sexual,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: but then like all these guys and the girls on mine,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you can make it sweet, you can make it romantic.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And I was really really feeling for Mike the virgin
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of course, oh my gosh, literally beautifully, Oh my god.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But I was feeling so awkward for him. But way
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: for him to turn an awkward situation into something so beautiful.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: M h And I don't know. I mean, again, like
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you said earlier, I can't believe that he, like she
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was able to handle it with such grace and with
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the perfect word choice. Same with him. You're given like
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: an hour to come up with something, and he came
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: up with that beautiful piece of writing and described it
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and just like the classiest way, and and he just
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: got so much respect from Katie and the other guys.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I loved it so much. I did too, because I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: feel like sometimes too, like whenever there's a like well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I feel like sometimes with virginity on
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the show, like it can be looked at as I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: mean it's like non experienced, right, or like, oh, he's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not gonna know what he's doing. But it's almost like
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the way he did it, it was like you were
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like the sexiest man ever. Oh my god, exactly just
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: said are so sexy, and like when you do get
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in bed, oh my gosh, you are going to like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: oh my god, want a woman's world. So I feel
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: like you're right, he couldn't have done it better. Um,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And I think especially under the circumstances, like I mean,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you know from experience what it's like being on the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: show and having that like pressure of like having to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: talk to somebody about your sexual status. Well that's what
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I was so stressed about, is because like when I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: told Chris Souls, I was not ready to do so,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and I felt very uncomfortable given the timing that I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was to do so. And I need a little bit
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: more time than I think I did it week three
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: or four, and he's having to do this, like the
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: third day he's actually there and he's probably said five
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: words to her, and then here he has to tell her. Oh.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I had so much sympathy for him, and you could
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: see how emotional he was over it and how like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: not ready he was, and for him to to be
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: able to turn it around and you're right to just
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: see it seems so desirable. We asked Katie last week,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: when you find when you know, speaking in future tense,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: where like when you find out about his virginity, like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: how are you going to take it? Like? Is it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a turn off even for somebody like you who you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you talk, you know, you're very open about your sex life.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And she was like, I was even surprised by my
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: own reaction, and it was a great reaction. I cried.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I cried twice during this episode. Yeah, and you know that,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, don't I know already the second time
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you cried because I'm bawling my eyes out. I cannot
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: wait to talk about that. But yeah, let's talk about that. Actually,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: can we talk about that the second time? Yeah? Because
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that's the next one, it's the It's the It's the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: date with of course. Well before we skip ahead, just
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: let's talk about how Mike ends up getting the award,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but Thomas ends up getting the group date Rose and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: they had like the steamiest kiss ever where he dragged
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: her on his lap and I don't know that, Like,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't think this was gonna be Katie's type. He
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: kind of reminds me like a Josh Murray, like a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Gastone figure, but she's into him. They talked about how
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: they have this indescribable chemistry that it's just they definitely
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: seen that. But I don't know that I would call
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: any of the makeout sessions in this hot and steamy
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they've done. I don't know what it is if things
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: are like getting forced too soon, but every makeup team
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: has just seemed extremely forced and awkward to me so far.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But it could just be early in the season and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they'll get there. I really don't because I feel like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I'm watching this. This is week one and you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: we've I think it was two guys this time, you
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: know said can I kiss you now? Which is a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: great thing to do, very respectable, but like it was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: almost because I feel awkward and now I don't know
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: what to do, and so I'm gonna ask this because
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: we're still like unfamiliar with It wasn't like out of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a respect and out of like it was more like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I just feel awkward right now, and I feel like
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I need to kiss you, so can I because that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: would help this moment exactly. And they all go in
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: really fast and then like try to slow and down.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It's just something about it. I don't know. And there's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of kind of awkward, quirky guys in this season,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: which I love, like that type awkward quirky, and I'm
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in like, that's what my husband is. I love awkward quirky,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but like it's just it makes for interesting makeout session.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: One note here that I've never brought up, but you
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: bring up a great point. Ali and Ashley, I'm sure
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you've experienced this, and I'm sure listeners have all experienced this. Also,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you know what's more awkward than um than even the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: initial kiss or approach, like you're kissing strangers. It's like
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a second date. Maybe hey, all good, you do get
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: what you gotta do, But the moment that gets most
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: awkward and even watching this season, I see like we're
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're seeing it more is when the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: kiss ends and both people are sitting there like, oh
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that was good. Yeah that was the analysis part. Yeah,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it's so cringeing to watch. And I remember those moments
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: because you're like, we were kissing because we didn't have
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: anything else to talk about. Now we just kissed, and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: we still don't have anything else to talk about except
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that this was a kiss, and so we're just gonna
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: sit here and analyze it, and then we're hoping somebody
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: comes in and breaks it up so we can go.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like those moments to me, I just they're awful to watch.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It's so funny and so true and so true. All right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: let's get let's give ahead now to Greg's one on
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: one date, the second moment that made Ali and I cry.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Greg and Katie end up going on a like camp
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: camping sort of fishing date and great. You know, they
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: have good chemistry. We like Greg. You know, we saw
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: him last week and got the first impression Rose. He
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: was the one who said I'm so awkward, Like how
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: do I'm is so nervous. I'm so nervous, And she knows.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: She told us last week that she gave him the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: first impression rose because she wanted him to kind of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: calm down and to show him like I really like you,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: so like just chill out. Yeah, can I tell you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: something interesting? Yeah? Really's interesting for me when I was watching.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So when I was watching their date, I kept thinking,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: something is off. Oh my god, I was like he's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: hiding something. He's not saying something. Yes, but I thought
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of it like I was taking at the negative row.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like to break her heart. He's going to break
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: her heart. Like I was so like, this guy's not
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he's holding something back. Like I'm like I almost don't know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like is he not as in as to her as
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: she is into him? And so I was like I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and I hated it because I just love them together
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and I think they're so precious together. I was like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: something's gonna come out later on in the season and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: like he's going to break her heart. And that's why
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I was so like emotional in the next scene when
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we see him open up at dinner and say like,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: well I lost my dad too, Like uh, like I
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: just was a attle on the floor because I was
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like the reason he felt like we felt watching like
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: he was holding some bas because he was, and for
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: him to like give I don't know. I don't know
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: why he chose to wait to tell her about his dad,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But in my mind the reason is um whatever reason
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it is, it doesn't matter. That's his choice to share
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that information when he sees fit. But in my mind,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he did it because that was her moment to talk
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: about her dad, and like he gave her that moment
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and then later to come. It was just so beautiful
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and it felt meant to be. And if they end
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: up together, like I feel like that's their dad's setting
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: them up, like so sweet. I was looking at his
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: face and it just seemed I kept thinking to myself,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this guy his dad died too. I feel like his
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: dad died too. Why isn't he saying anything he felt that, Yes,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that's so intuitive of you. So when he decides to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: do it at dinner, I wonder if she had a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: moment where she was like, why didn't she tell me
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: this earlier? Well, I would say to like, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: pain takes time, and even watching his face, I I mean,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: maybe I've missed it. Getting to know Katie, uh, which
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, we talked to her last weekel and we're like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: we don't really don't know you, like at all, Like, well,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you weren' around last season much and then
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: like even the first episode didn't really highlight you as
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: much as we would want. So this was a you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a shock to me or new information to me that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: she had lost her father. I wonder in that moment,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I I I know, in moments of deep pain,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like I wonder if he was so taken back that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: he's like I can't just come and say, oh, me too,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: because it hurt him so deeply, like that was still
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: such a fresh moon that he wasn't expecting to have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to open back up, and so him taking time for
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: at dinner, like I'm sure Katie gets it too, like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it probably took her weeks to even mentally prepare for
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the moment she was going to tell somebody on this
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: season that she lost her father. And so he was like, yeah, one,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I mean I would love to say, because he seems
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like a good dude, Like out of respect, he was like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you your moment to talk about your dad.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Who knows Like in those moments, I don't know if
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: we're like it takes a very wise human to like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: process that much in that bad time. Um, maybe he did,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: who knows, or he was just like, I can't yet,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I need us a moment before I even start talking
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: about because if I do that, this now like I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: don't know where this goes, Like I don't know how
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: how heavy this comes out. And so it felt like
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to me he had prepared himself, he was respectful to her,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and then he was able to communicate his dad's story
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in a way that was beautiful in the right time,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in the right moment um. And and this is why
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: maybe this second episode was I thought so good. Was
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: right away we have two really real moments that I
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that we all love watching. We have Mike uh having
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the wisdom and the time to do something really difficult,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: but also seeing how the guys respected him and responded,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and how Katie responded, and then we had Greg. These
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: are two moments that like are huge pivot points in
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: their life, and we were goot to see it in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: one episode. That's a big deal, very authentic, genuine moments.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. This is why I left
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: this episode being like I like the Bachelorette more because
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the last time I felt these things was watching Tatious season.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I love that they're giving us the romance, they're giving
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: us the depth and the emotion that we asked for.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And there was so much little, little, such little drauma
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, and I do, like I think when
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I chose to be the bachelorette, I went in with
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: such this thought of like I was guided here by
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whatever that is or what you know, something was guiding
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: me to be the bachelorette, and like I was there
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: for a reason, I was supposed to meet somebody on
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: there for a reason. I had all these sort of
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like spiritual and emotional things tied into it. So I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: can only imagine for Katie. You know, she probably feels
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of that too, Like my dad's watching over me.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: There's a reason I'm here, and like, I don't know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I just think it's so beautiful. And I think if
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: they do end up together, like they're gonna like, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: just think that date is going to be like one
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of the most special moments in times of their lives.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Like they'll look back on that day and be like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: our dad set this up for us. That's where we're here.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: This is one of the most special days of my life.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I just it was so beautiful. I loved every every
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: second of it. And the fact that both dads took
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the kids fishing, I know, I know then they kissed
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that a toilet. I was gonna was like that boat.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: It was just really funny. You know what it reminds
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: me of, Uh, this is ridiculous, you know, wedding crashers.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: He's sitting on the toilet and she comes in. I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: felt like that's how this was going, Like this is
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: getting weird. I wonder if they realize that he's still
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: sitting on a toilet. And finally they made a joke
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of it, which I'm glad because if they wouldn't have
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: said anything, I would be like that had to be
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like somebody had to say something, So that was That
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: was a funny moment. I mean, it's really foreshadow and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: for the future because all the best marriages, especially you'll
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: find out Ben when you if you guys decide to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: have kids one day that throughout your marriage it's really
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: all talk about, like your relationship and poop. It's like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how many times Kevin and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I ask each other about the kids about movements or whatever. Alright,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: so let's talk about the last group day. It was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: mud wrestling. Caitlin and Taitia woke up all the guys
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: early mud wrestling. As I've said to zillion times, not
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: my favorite kinds of dates. You don't get to know
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: about the guys. Like even though like the Sex States
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: can be raunchy, at least you get to see what
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: they do with the situation like this. In this case,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: they're literally dis wrestling in the mud. You don't get
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to know them. Um, this is the day of every season, right,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the physical violence dates. Get rid of them. I hate them.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I hate them me too. That's nothing they did Olive
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: oil wrestling. I mean, come on, guys, let's get a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: little bit more original on my season wrestling mud wrestling.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It's like all the same it, um it was. It
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't in Italy. Gosh, I think it was a freaky
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Turkey Okay, that makes sense, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: And I was just I hated it. I remember being like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: why are we doing this? Like this is so pointless.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So I wish they would do away with those. Okay.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: So the only thing that really came out of this
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: is that there was some beef between Aaron, Aaron and Cody,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: which we saw last week for a split second during
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: like the original cocktail party, and we're like, what the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: heck is that random spat? And now we learned that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the two of them knew each other in San Diego,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and Aaron, who seemed like the dramatic one last week,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it was actually the one in the right. He said
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: last week, I've never liked you since the moment I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: met you, And we thought it was super dramatic because
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they're like, you met this guy an hour ago, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: really they had known each other for a while and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: apparently Cody had led onto that he was there for
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. He's like an unkind dude. And when
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Aaron got time with Katie because he won that the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: mud wrestling, he let her know about these issues. And
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: did we not love the way that Katie dealt with Cody,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like she sat him down. He had no good answers
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to this, Like he didn't even deny the things that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that Aaron was saying about him. And then she was like,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, gut feeling says, no, Like you said,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: what did you say that? There's no trust, no trust
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and then she sent to home and I'm like, can
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: we deal with all conflicts this painlessly? I know? Right?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And the thing is too that I really liked that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: she said. She said that like if someone had approached me,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: my face would have said it all and like his
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: face said nothing, like your face said, you're hiding something,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: You're prepared for this, Like so she's right, Like, I mean,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: she made the right decision and you know, like you said,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: if only all decisions could be that way. But then again,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: if they all were that way, it wouldn't be the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: best sort because if I could have handled every scenario
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like that on my season, I would have. But sometimes
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the drama just tested drag on, you know. For Cody,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it was really odd to me. I don't think I've
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: ever seen a more emotionless exit. Like he didn't even
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: try to defend himself or say no, this isn't true,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: or Katie, I'm really sorry that this is going down
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: this way, like this isn't what I am feeling. It
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, well, I hope you find your guy.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, if somebody is literally calling me out,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: if somebody is literally I mean and telling the person
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to know that I'm not a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: good dude, Like at least I have a rebuttal or,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: at least there's something. It was so nothing. It was
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, see you later by what like what
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: just happened? You? Just like are you not mad? Are
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you like upset? Are you like? I don't know? It
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was that was really odd for me to see. Really.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It was like he was caught right handed and was
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm not gonna put up a fight. Yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: so he's performing. I think the people sometimes for are
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that way are the people that are most aware that
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: they're on camera and of trying not to give a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: reaction because they don't want that reaction. You know, he's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: probably boiling up inside to be what people see of
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: him on TV, and he's very aware that people are
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: watching him on TV. Yeah, it's when you want to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: be famous. Good for her, He's gone, you know, and
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: we move on. As far as the rest of that
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: group date, I felt like her moment with Andrew the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: football player from Overseas definitely stood out the most. I
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: love him, Yeah, he seems so great. Something about him,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: like he just has that like super friendly face. You
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, oh, I like you. I
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: feel like if you know, we'll see what happens through
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the relationship. I mean, in my mind it's Greg. But
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: like then again, would it be Greg, Like so obvious
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: at this point, so obvious at this point, But it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: almost like they have to be so obvious at this point.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: How do you take away that beautiful connection that they
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: had and you know, story that they had shared together. Um,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: but it feels like it has to be Greg. If not,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Greg's like in the top two, so whether or not
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Andrew makes it to the end or not, Like I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: feel like he's the type of person that like will
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: stay in the franchise, Like I hope that he's like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: on Paradise one season, Like he just seems like a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: really nice, friendly face this season. I really love to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: watch Andrew's reactions to like even when the dramas going
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: on at in the night with Carl. I know I'm
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: skipping ahead and we'll get to that in a bit,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: but just Andrew's just facial expressions, like you can tell
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: what's like, how he's feeling what's going on the room
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: when they flash past him, and I just love that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like you, you're feeling every moment. You're as surprised
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and shocked as we are. Like I I enjoy watching
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: his commentary just by seeing how he reacts. He's very animated.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I guess I would say, yeah, for sure. All right,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: well let's get to the Carl drama, because that's really
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: all we have left. Is a standout moment of the episode.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: It's at the cocktail party. Everything seems to be like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: pretty settled, you know, like she got rid of Cody,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: who seemed to be the only guy that was there
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. She's feeling good about her group,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and then Carl comes up to her and says the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: vaguas I've ever heard. He's like, by the way, he
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't the only one that's not here for the wrong reasons.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: There are others. And she's like, but who, And he's like, well,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names. Okay, Well what are
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the examples? What they do? Oh? I don't have examples.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's like Katie, she doesn't have anything. He's literally just
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: starting drama. I felt so bad that she took it
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: to heart so much, because, you know, especially after she
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: pulls Aaron aside and asked Aaron, like, is there anyone
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: else like I trust to you the one time? Can
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you tell me again? And He's like, no, I don't know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I was honestly surprised how she took it, to be
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: honest with you too, I find that Katie just seems
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: like so strong, right, like emotionally strong and just like
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: very little headed and like just like I. I've always
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: seen her that way. So when she got so much
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: about that, what Batt told me as a viewer and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: as someone who's been in her shoes, is that like
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: there's some insecurity there, you know, Like I was saying,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like I maybe would have handled it that
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: way if I were in her shoes, because of the
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: insecurity of worrying about people are there for her, if
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: people like her all of that. I think it was
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: less about what he said and more about her like
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: overall feelings on being the bachelorette, because that's how I was, like,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I felt that way. Um, But I think he Why
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: do I think he did? I Mean that's the question,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: why did he do it? Right? And I think that
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: he did it because he wants the screen time. I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: think the only thing I can come up with in
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: my head of why he would do that, Like why
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: would he just he doesn't know her enough to just
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: want to hurt her, right, Like do you want to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: hurt somebody like that? You got to know them more,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: like you know, it's vicious and vindictive. But so I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: feel like he just did it because he knew that,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like that would get his face on camera. Yeah, no,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You're probably right even when we stop her, I mean,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: he's a motivational speaker, Like can we start? Can we
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: stop for a second and just sit on that? Because
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I kept watching this and watching this thing play out,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and when originally, you know, when he did his package,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, he's a motivational speaker. This will
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what wisdom and encouragement and support
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: he brings into the house, because that's what you would
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: associate with motivational speaking, I would think. So my question,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and this is where I want to throw with the listeners,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: has anybody ever heard Carl speak or does anybody know
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: what he speaks on when it does when he does
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: this for a career. But this felt so um opposite
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: uh And I was trying to think of a bigger
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: word for opposite, But I'm not that smart. Right now,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Um so opposite. Yeah, that's a good word of what
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you would expect from a motivational speaker. And right, can
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: we talk about what a motivational speaker does, because don't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they usually have really full, healthy careers and experience to
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: be able to speak about things to inspire people and
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: motivate people about how do you just be a motivational speeder?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Speaker as like a twentiesomething who we don't know what
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you've accomplished? Well, maybe has, maybe he does, Maybe he
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: hasn't more of a story to his name than we've seen,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but I'm ready to see it now like we have.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Like now he's so much of a character. He's caused
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: so much drama, Like what what does Carl do? One? Well?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I think for me, a motivational speaker is someone that
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like uses sort of feeling is like the way that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they lead, right, Like whether it's like it's like using
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: the feelings that you have to sort of motivate your life,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the positive feelings to take you in a certain direction.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Do things like whenever I hear a motivational speaker that
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's really good, they like kind of
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: pull up my heart strings or just my my soul
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like to lead me a certain way, Whereas I almost
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: feel like he is the like you said, Ben, the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: opposite at this is what the world. I was like, yes, yeah, actually,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: um so I feel like he is like doing the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: opposite in the sense that he is um using his
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: words to take a very emotional experience like the batchler
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: at where it's all about finding tugging your soul, your
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: heart strings, and he's making it into a competition and winning.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Then he's taking things about people. He should be talking
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: about the guys in the house in such positive ways.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Everyone's here trying to find love, go on their path.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: That's what a motivational speaker will do. And it said
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: he's trying to cut the guys down. He's doing it
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: all opposite. I don't know how that's his job. I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: can't believe he actually makes money doing that. But I mean,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: we gotta find out how successful he is gets it,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and we gotta find out. Woken at one conference in
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: front of time people and call himself a motivational speaker.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: You know this is a bachelor title. But at the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: same time, it just because And I say all this
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to bring up the point you said he wants screen time. Okay,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: that's some people's pursue, right, you want screen time, that's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: not you know, that's not unknown when it comes to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: cast in the franchise, the usually get sorted out pretty
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: well sometimes. But for him, if you were wanting screen time,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you're walking into this experience, you would think in your
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: mind you'd be like, I want screen time to help
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: my career, but like I will not be like, but
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want that screen time, Like I don't want
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the screen time of the person causing the drum. I
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: don't want the screen time of hurting Katie like that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Just that's where this whole thing got weird to me.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: And I was like, he's a motivational speaker, and yet
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: he's just like kind of like poking holes that don't
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: seem healthy. Everyone listening has got to look him up,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: do some little internet digging and tell us if he's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: actual actually a motivational speaker, because my gut is he's not.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: You guys, the twist here is that he's the one
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: who is there for the wrong reason, exactly, big twist. Dash.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. All right, Well,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's it for the episode. Do you have
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: any other comments, Sally that you think we've forgot. I
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: love this episode. I mean, I'll say it. I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: it was. It was an enjoyable episode to watch. I
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: was intrigued like at the time, and for episode two,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I thought it was it has it started a lot
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of good storylines that we missed with Matt season. I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: think this with Matt season, we're always waiting to kind
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of be like connected to the cast and we're kind
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of waiting for those storylines to start, and it never
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: really happened until the very ing kind of Um, but
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's episode two and I feel very connected these cast
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: members same. We didn't even talk about Connor b and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: he's somebody that we really feel connected to. The cat
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the cat, the cat well, Ali Fantowski. Before you go,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: we do want to bring up one thing. Uh. First off,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: today marks a really big day I think for you
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people who are going to be
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: helped by you. Uh. Today he released an article talking
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: about you coming out and talking about a blood disorder
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that you have and that you've been getting treatment for
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: one that's not uncommon for many Probably do you mind
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: sharing a little bit about that? Oh? My gosh, I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. I didn't know that, like someone wrote
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: about it. Um, yeah, I mean I found it. I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I'm an emic, which I know
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: is very very common. I've just been super super tired lately,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like weirdly tired, um and I couldn't figure out why.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: So I went to my doctor and they just run
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and ran a bunch of blood work, and my doctor
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: was like, your Fareyton levels, and Fairyton is essentially the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like in what's in your body that helps your body
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: store iron. She's like, it's almost zero. She's like, I'm
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: surprised you're walking like you must be so tired. So
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna like go get like, ah, I'm
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: excited about it. I'm gonna go get a I v
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: um full of iron. I do it once on the
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: once next week and then once the week after um
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: to see how it makes me feel, and I hopefully
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I'll just get all my energy back. That's amazing. So
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: can you develop anemia? I guess yeah, I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I remember like years ago, like I've always been the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: type of person that's just not very like in tune,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Like I never had a primary care doctor, like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: go to the doctor because like something really hurts, like
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: like keep up with my health over the years. But
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I do remember years ago a doctor saying to me,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: like after getting some sort of test done, maybe like
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, saying like, you're on the verge of
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: it being anemic. You should watch out for that. And
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, whatever, and just never thought of
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it again. Um so now yeah, I mean I just
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: got blow work done becau was just so so so
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: tired and like a way that I'm like, this feels
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: not normal that I'm so tired, Like I was thinking
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: something was really wrong with me. I was so tired,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: um you know. And then I got this blood test
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: done through the mail that said I had inflammation in
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: my body and I was like, oh my gosh, inflammation
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: like this sea where it went through my brain, you
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Thankfully it's not not that anything
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: like that, but that's kind of like what I was feeling.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So to find out I'm anemic is a relief because
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I know I can like take iron, get the things
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: and like hopefully increase my energy. You've always been somebody
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that's been open and vulnerable sharing um your stories and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: your your health history and everything going on in your life.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: We appreciate it here. Um, I know many people appreciate
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So even though you didn't know that there was an
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: article written, Uh there was. You can check it out.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You can google your name right now. Um. But it
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: is helpful for many uh, and so we thank you
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: for that, Ali Fatowski, Mona, you are the best. Have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: a great time tonight. Uh, enjoy the party. Uh tell
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: everybody I said hello and then actually said hello because
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: d D does listen to Almost in his pot. Yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: she's a great supporter, so she'll hear this. Yeah. So Ali,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. It's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: now time for one of the most listened to segments
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: on the Almost Famous podcast. It is Bachelor Hot Topics.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Everything that's happened this week imbatination and obviously there has
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: been a lot, a lot of reactions to Chris Harrison's departure.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that in just a second. Um,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: but also let's talk for a second. We kind of
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned it last week, but we have more clarity this
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: week on the Bachelor in Paradise hosts. Before we talk
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: about Chris Harrison officially stepping away. We did have the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: announcement of four new host for Bachelor and Paradise. Some
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of Bachelination had some mixed reviews, uh, specifically Tannel tannerd Tolbert,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: who I know you're close with and if probably been
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: able to kind of process with Ashley before give dive
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: into the headlines of it all. What are your thoughts
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: on these four hosts? Well, I love Lance Bass and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I love David Spain. I mean, obviously I consider Lance
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a friend, and then David Spain, I've I've had lunch
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: with with Amy and I think he's hilarious and I
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: actually think, yeah, he'll be super entertaining. I understand where
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Tanner's coming from. Let's talk about what Tanner said on
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: his Instagram last week. He said the franchisees hosting decisions
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: have been a train wreck. He doesn't really like the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: fact that, like American Idol, I would say, did once
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Simon left, they kind of tried to stunt cast right.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: It's like Jennifer Lopez and Ellen de Genner is like, Wow,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: huge names are going to try to fill in for Simon.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: But sometimes people, you know, especially when they've been with
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a franchise since the very beginning and have been such
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a figurehead for them, they're like irreplaceable. So I think
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I know what Tanner is talking about here. When it's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: just like calls it a surface, it's because there's so
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: many people that they're just like throwing at us to
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: entertain us. Possibly, But I think what Tanner is also
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: saying is that he um, he thinks that the show
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: is going to become more about to be well, in
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the American Idol case, the judges right, so they're gonna
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: mean they're making The Bachelor in Paradise more about the hosts,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and they're making it about the contestants, and people watch
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: for the contestants. Let's talk about this for a bit.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: It comes down to the thing we've talked about so
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: many times on this podcast, and it's the ultimate question
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: of the franchise. Why do people watch? Like, why has
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: this thing been successful because of the love stories? Well
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that's our assumption and the drama. But could it be
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that the franchise who studies this data, who has been
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: you know, some people have worked there for the nineteen years,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: has been going on? Do they know differently? Are they
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: saying no, people are watching this not just for the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: love stories. Probably maybe not even for the love stories
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: at all, but more for the character to development. Um,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the comfort I think is a big deal for the show.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And you get the comfort from the consistency that was Harrison.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I think you do. And so now this does seem
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: like a drastic switch. I get Tanner's concern and others
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: concerned where it's like we're losing all familiarity with the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: franchise when we do these hosts. The the other question
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I have in this, and I don't I'm not saying
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: any of these hosts are bad. I really don't know
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: them as hosts. Like you know, Lance Bass, I know
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: him from the show. He's great, Little John I've I've
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: seen him on the show, but he was Yeah, David Spade,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you're telling me he's gonna be great? Uh, Titus like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I I mean, I think he's funny. I've always enjoyed him. Uh.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: But why, I mean we have to ask the question here,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: if they're gonna diversify, if they're gonna go as far
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: as you know, replacing with not just one host before,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: why is there a woman involved here? Isn't that bizarre? Well,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I mean Sarah Highland. But but she's not on this
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: list right now, we don't really know Wells and Sarah's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: roles or if they're gonna be there one week or
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: if they're there consistently. Let's say right now, just for
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: the sake of this conversation, we don't really and we
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what Sarah's role is gonna be here if
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: they're gonna add for new hosts. How is there not
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: a woman involved? I mean, we're on this conversation right
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: now and they have a moment where they can really
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: change things up. There's that one that's that's weird to me,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: especially for Paradise. I get it. For Bachelorette, right you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: have Caitlin and Tastia there, uh, their guides, their mentors.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: They can sit beside the bachelorette and relate on a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: lot of levels, maybe even go as far as saying
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: on some levels that Chris Harrison couldn't write when it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: comes to um being a woman and and and the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: power that brings and the leadership you need for that.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: But here for Paradise, I mean, it's a very it's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: very clear that like a woman should be involved. I think,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just feels like it fits and there's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: not I totally agree. Let's read this Tanner quote. He says,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I think the franchise needs to figure their out and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: figure it out quick, because I think this show is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: on a slippery slope right now. And as a fan
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of the show first and foremost, I want to see
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: it keep going. But with all the host drama, it's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: just starting to get ridiculous. The host doesn't need to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: be the star of the show. I don't need to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: see commentary on every little thing, and not every little
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: thing needs to be a joke. Night agree. Well, so again,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and as a fan of the show myself, as a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: fan of a lot of people that work on the show,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: as somebody personally who wants to see this show continue,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I am now on the edge of my seat to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: see what paradise looks like. And we're gonna get into
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a bit on a conversation about the Bachelorette ratings dropping
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: drastically this week, and that totally relates, and so we're
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about that, uh in just a little bit.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: It does relate. Uh, And there's a lot of things
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: that we can assume are part of it, but all
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: all in here, if we're all honest with ourselves. Every
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: fan of the show right now, I would agree with Tanner.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: They might not agree that they don't like the hosting choices,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: but the show right now needs a figure stuff out.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: It is on a slippery slope. It's being shown in
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the data. And my question for people who are listening
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: in for you Actuley, is does these four hosts that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: they just announced for Paradise does it help or her
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the show? You're asking me, I, it's not anything personal
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: towards the host, you know, I can't wait to see
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Lance host. I think we needed a more more consistency,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: especially right after Harrison leaves, to have four hosts, I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: think just gonna just gonna like kind of like confuse
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: people about the theme of the show. What's the point here? Yeah,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I think one of the things for me
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: actually in all these years is I watch this show, um,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: because I'm familiar with it, and I and I you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: and I enjoy seeing the process. I like watching Paradise
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm familiar with it. Uh. It's it's obviously a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: little more dramatic, it's a little bit more unpredictable. There's
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: weird stuff that happens new people are showing up every week,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling, even as somebody has been a part of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the show, I'm feeling less and less like familiar with it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: And that goes one of two ways. Either I'm feeling
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: that and that's a good thing because it's moving beyond
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: me and it's entering into a whole new season and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it's a whole new franchise and it's gonna take on
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a whole new look and it's gonna be very successful
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: in this way, or it's not gonna work. Now, to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: close this thought, the Bachelor has always prized themselves on
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: being that kind of stand up reality show, right. It's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: been around for a long time. I remember back in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the day they kind of said, hey, we have the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Secret Sauce like our bread and Butter. Is the format
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and it works and it tells a story, you know.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: That's what's made it stand out among so many other
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: reality shows that have tried to come out and be successful.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like here, I'm feeling like it's slipping back
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: into what other shows are doing and not necessarily still
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: trying to be this franchise that we've known in love
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: for so long. Well, isn't like it goes back to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: not to bring up my former other favorite show, but
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: American Idol. It's like sometimes like a show peaks and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: then one of its stars is no longer there, like
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: one of the foundation pieces of the foundation is no
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: longer there, and they keep they try to reinvent it,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: they try to make it sparkle with like big names
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: and twists and all that, and it just can't recover
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: from that loss. So yeah, I guess the storyline here
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: for this franchise. And again we're gonna get into the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: ratings drops in a bit. We're gonna get into Chris
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison's resignation and talk more detailed about that. But
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: the big question now that I think people are going
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to be watching is does this work and do people
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: tune in? And does this seem to bring in the viewership.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: The show might be funnier, but is that what we want?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Or do we want love stories. Another thing that I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: think is really interesting about Paradise is that there are
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: so many big cast stars that we expected to see
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: there who are still very active on social media and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: doing interviews, so it looks like they didn't show up
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: a lot. Like we're talking like I don't know that.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: You and I thought that Maddie would go. But like Maddie,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Hannah and Victoria Fuller, Kelly Flann again, Mike Johnson, they're
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: all around, they're on social media. It feels weird, Ashley,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: it feels weird. Well, hey, uh, entering in a new season,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about a lot more here on
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Let's take a break. When we come back,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: when you talk ratings drops, what does that mean for
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the franchise, is their recovery and process. We're gonna get
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: your opinions on that. And then also we're gonna talk
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison's resignation, everything we know about that next step
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and what it looks like for The Bachelor moving forward.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But we'll be back with the almost famous podcast. Well,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: we promised it right before the break, and now it's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: time to talk about it. Chris Harrison has officially resigned
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: from The Bachelor franchise. He did get a pay out
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: for his time on the show. There's rumors going around
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: from everywhere from fifty million to five million to ten million,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: like nobody really knows, but it's it's it's some millions, uh, Ashley. Obviously,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: some people believe that he was already ready to leave
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: the show. Um and that or and some people feel
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: like this came out of nowhere and it was as
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: a result of just, you know, kind of what happened
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: over the last year. Do you have any insight into
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like this exit now, like what was the timing? I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: have a feeling, but I want to hear your thoughts first.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it has everything to do with
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: what happened over the winter with the interview, and I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: don't think that's what the majority of fans wanted. I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people wanted to see him
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: leave Adventure to even say that, like based on what
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I see on social media and what I see from
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: people who come up to me and just say hi,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: you know, because their Bachelor fans, But people just did
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: not want to see him leave. I think there was
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: lots of ways that they could have dealt with you know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: what happened. You know, he did a lot of learning,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of growing. I think there was a way
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: that they could have shown that on the show. I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: am sad that this is how it's gone down. Um
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: who would have I don't know who would have thought? Right?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: My thoughts are are this And obviously, um, as a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: white male that you know the way that this doesn't
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: really carry too much. But I feel like we just
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: don't have not a conclusion. But I feel like there
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: was an interview that went poorly, uh to say the least,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: and I think most people would say this wasn't a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: good interview. There was something said that we needed clarity on.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: But now we don't get any clarity on, like now
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: we're now there's no uh, there's there's no kind like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Chris is just gone. And it just feels like, hey,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: this was a moment, especially knowing Chris and knowing how
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: hard he was working, knowing the people he surrounded himself with,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: knowing the questions he was asking, knowing what his heart
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: and desire were, it was to learn and to figure
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: out like how how these words that he said hurt
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: and how he could have done better. I just feel
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: like now we don't get that on the show. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I think all all the people, all of viewers and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Chris himself kind of in a sense like I mean,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: maybe just like we want it. Maybe it feels like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: he was a part of our living rooms and our
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: television for so long that it feels like, uh, if
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that is the path he was on, like why aren't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: we getting it? And I and don't know why it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: just abruptly ended without even an interview on after the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: final rose or even a moment on the franchise. It
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: just feels like they just said, oh, this was bad,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: this wasn't good. Let's totally separate from it's like does
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: that fix the thing? Like is that a good move
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: for the show? I don't know. That's not a good
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: growth move. It doesn't. It just shows that, like when
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you it just shows that there's not a lot of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: room to learn sometimes and I think, um, you know, Chris,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: like Chris is a friend, and we've talked about many times,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and you know, I know this situation, uh is was
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: bad for multiple different angles. But it also feels like, hey,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Chris has been around and supported all of us. You know,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: he has supported um every person has gone on this
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: franchise as best he could and to the capacity that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: he could in incredible ways. And and I just don't feel,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you know, now it's just done, and it feels odd, um,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: but it's happened, and and that's the truth of it all.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: And so now we talk about like, what is this
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: new season for The Bachelor? Is it a good season?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: How is the Bachelor going to change? Uh? And how
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: are they going to evolve to not only learn from
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: what happened with Chris but also keep viewers interested without Chris.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: That's a big deal now, Okay, so let's go onto
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: that headline. The ratings were down significantly for Katie's premiere episode. Okay,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: so three point seven million in total viewed this um.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: In comparison, Matt season had five point two million. But
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor is always down from the Bachelor and Claire's season,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Oh damn. Claire season back in October started with five
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: million total watchers. So ratings are down. And so this
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: is a conversation that that we want to have with
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the listeners and so please email us. But as the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise enters into this new era and people, we
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: have a quote here, I'll just pull this one up
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: from Tyler Cameron saying he's he's excited for this new
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: season kind of the fresh faces that will enter in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: UM to the franchise as hosts. Uh, and what that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: can mean for the franchise. Well, are we getting eerily
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: close to not even having the show any longer because
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: from TV Guide it's on the chopping block at ABC
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: right now. Like, so they're they're making these big changes. Yeah,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: so they're making these big changes and people are saying, Oh,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: this is great for the show, this is good for
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the franchise, but like what happens when the franchise doesn't exist?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, are people good with that? Is that kind
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: of where people wanted to go? Or is that why
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: people aren't watching? They're saying this thing is done, like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: not even just because not without Chris the shows are
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: in its course. Well, Ben, how much do you think
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: of the ratings job had to do with People are
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: saying like, I don't I don't want to watch this
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: show because Chris isn't part of it, and because I
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: think that they didn't it wasn't dealt with properly. I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: don't know if that would be uh the reason I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: think fans of the show are fans of the show.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just look. I know that people
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: say like I'm not gonna watch, I'm not gonna watch them.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: They always watch. But if you read the comments under
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: these articles online, like so many people are saying I'm
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: not watching because of Chris, and then you see the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: ratings DOPP and you're like, oh, maybe there is a correlation. Well,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: and I also wonder, kind of like we're talking about earlier,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: like why do people watch the show? Is it the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: love stories? Because if that's the case, it doesn't really
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: matter if Chris is they' or not. Is it the drama?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Is it the drama of it all? Well, that doesn't
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: really matter if Chris is They're not. Is it the comfort? Comfort?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Is it the comfort? And being uncomfortable isn't always bad,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Like maybe you know, changing and evolving and growing is
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: not bad. But we're people watching this because they had
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: a part of their lives for last twenty years and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: now they're saying it's time to give it up. Like
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: it's just like, I'm done watching it because I've I've
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen enough, I've been a part of it enough.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I think the Chris thing has something to do with
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I think he has his like following um, but I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: don't I don't think you can attribute almost half of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the viewership to Chris being gone. I think that would
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I think that would be a big stretch, especially because
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: over the last few years we've seen less and less
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of Chris on the show anyways. Yeah, well, I guess
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: we'll continue to see like how this season and Paradise
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: and in Michelle, and then we'll be able to make
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: like some more some more deductions. It's just it's it's
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: an interesting topic and um it also is a topic
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: around like how do we grow from mistakes? And then
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: like how do we allow others to grow? And was
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: this to write or wrong decision? So we want to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: hear from you. Um, but I mean, I'm I'll go
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: as far as to say, like and I said on
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: my Instagram, Chris has been really good to me. Now
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's everybody's experience. I can't speak
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: for everybody, but I'm gonna miss watching him on the show.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Mostly not only because, like I you know, he felt
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: like my coach. It's like, you know, when you're football coach,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: basketball coach in high school retires ten years after you're
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: out of high school, you don't feel connected to the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: high school as much anymore. Um, it's gonna be so
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: weird for him, like not to start each season with
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: like his hands classed turning on the wet driveway, like
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: we've seen the last of that that's so bizarre to me,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it's weird. Well, um, that's a big announcement. We have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: some some really great announcements to talk about on the headlines.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: We're gonna roll through here. Um, some really great things
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to celebrate. But to close that topic, we are I
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: guess actually I both talked off the line. We're very
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: intrigued to see what the Bachelor does when it comes
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to the host and when it comes to the leadership
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: of the show and the consistency of the show moving forward. Uh,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: but here's some really cool things that have happened from
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the show that we need to celebrate. Lauren Burnham gives
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: birth welcomes her and Ari Liondyke Junior's twins, son and daughter.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: This according to US yeay happy birthday baby twins. In Yeah.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Ari said that mama and babies are doing great. Everything
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: went smoothly and they're spending time cherishing these moments. They keep,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: they think them, they think all of you guys for
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: your support. Um, so yeah, it's so great. It's so great. Man.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: It feels like Jess yesterday she and not she was pregnant.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Now they have three kids. It's absolutely wild and it's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I've said this before, but like my grandma and my
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: mother and my aunt, they love following Ari and Lauren's story.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Like they just are like really into that family and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: watching them grow and function. It's it's pretty cool. Well,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: another big announcement that I, you know, personally really want
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: to say. Uh here for myself and for Ashley and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: for the podcast, but mostly for myself. I'm really excited
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: for um. Lauren Bushnell, who I obviously know well, gives
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: birth welcome's first child with husband Chris Lane. This according
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: to US Weekly, and we're so pumped for them. She's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: gonna be a great mom, and uh, I'm just really
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: excited to make that announcement. Yeah. Remember last week I
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: ended the podcast by saying, I think we're gonna have
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: some first report on next week. While we were right,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: all of the pregnant Bachelor ladies gave birth. UM's Lauren,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Lauren and Chris's baby boy is named Dutton Walker Lane.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: He's nine pounds and I know, and Lauren wrote, your
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: dad and I can't get enough of all nine pounds.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: A do. Now back to baby cuddles and praising Jesus
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: over and over again for this little miracle. So sweet. Well,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the Laurens had their baby this week. You're right, Ashuley,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: you predicted it. Well. Final headline of the day, Bachelor
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: mom Becca Martinez celebrates college graduation. Her quote is I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: freaking did it this according to people? Ashley, how do
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: we celebrate? Oh, we're so happy for Becca. It took
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: her eight years to graduate college, but for good reason,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: she did the bachelor. In between that she had two kids.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: She started, she said, she started at UC Irvine in
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, fresh out of high school. She had
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: plans to be an elementary teacher or an art teacher.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: She dropped down. She that's fifteen. But here we are finally,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: uh she she said, she's gained two babies along the way,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: and she's so darn proud. So cool. Well, that's it
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: for the Almost Famous podcast today. It's been a pleasure
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: talking with you all. Thank you Ali for t Tawski
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast. Thank you all for listening.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Please write in your thoughts and opinions on all other
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: things we talked about today. You can email us at
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Ben and Ashley at I heart radio dot com, and guys,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: we do want to hear your opinions about Chris Harrison's departure.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: We haven't read mails in a while, and I think
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: it would be a great time to do that next week. Yeah,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice. Well, with all that being said, i've
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: been been, I've been Ashley. Bye, guys later. Follow the
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