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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 1) (5/27/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to take a
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  look at the statement given by Captain Jermaine Darden, who
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  was interviewed multiple times by the OIG's office in regards
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  to what happened to Jeffrey Epstein while at MCC And
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  like usual, when I say question, that's the investigator and
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  when I say answer, that's mister Darden answering the question.
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  So we're just going to jump right in with them
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  swearing him in question. This interview with Federal Bureau of
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  Prisons employee, let me see, is it Germaine Jermaine yes,
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  question Redacted's being conducted as part of an official US
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  Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General investigation. Today's
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  date is again June fifteenth, twenty twenty one. This interview
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  is being conducted at the West Side within the West
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  Side Administrative Building, second floor Conference Room FCI four Dix
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  in New Jersey. Also President is DOJOIG, Special Agent redacted
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  and mister redacted. This interview will be recorded by me,
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  Senior Special Agent redacted. Could everyone please identify themselves for
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  the record and spell their last names, so they go
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  through all of that stuff and then they start getting
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  to it. Question did you have any employment prior to
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  the VP? Answer? Yeah, I worked almost two years for
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  the Colorado Department of Cractions. Question okay, answer as a
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  correctional officer. And before that, I spent eleven years almost
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  ten years, well, nine years eleven months in the United
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  States Army. Question awesome, thanks for your service. When did
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  you work as a correctional officer for two years? Answer
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  in Colorado? I believe the dates were from July two
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  thousand and four to November twenty seventh. When November twenty
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  six of two thousand and five. Question okay, great, And
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  then you said that you were in did you say
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  the Army? Answer? Yeah? Question what was your rank in
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  the Army? Answer? I was a sergeant. Question honorable discharge
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  answer yup. Question when you left? What was your primary responsibility? Answer?
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  Basically at the time, I was a section sergeant. As
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  a topographical surveyor question okay? And what was that answer?
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  It's a topographical surveyor question, oh, a surveyor answer indiscernible surveyor?
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  Right question? Okay, perfect? And then you said a sergeant
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  E four E five answer E five question E five.
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  All right, what was your enter on duty date with
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  the Bureau of Prisons Answer nine twenty seven, two thousand
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  and five. No, I'm sorry, eleven twenty seven, two thousand
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  and five. Question and when did you graduate from BOP
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  training at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center? Answer? I
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  believe it was March of two thousand and six. Question okay,
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  we don't have to go through it, or I guess
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  just briefly. I mean what positions have you held with
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  the BP? You don't have to go into each institution?
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  Answer right, I started as a five step one, i've
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  with more responsibility. I was promoted through six seven Senior
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  officer Specialist. I was also a GL nine lieutenant, a
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  GL eleven lieutenant. I was a deputy captain GL twelve,
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  and I was also GL thirteen and currently I'm at
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  GL twelve Discipline Hearing Officer at FCI four Dix. Question
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  all right, great, and is it correct that you used
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  to work at the MCC in New York City? Answer
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  that is correct. Question all right? And what was your
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  position when you were at MCC? Answer? I was a captain.
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  Question okay, and from what dates were you the captain? Answer?
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  I was the captain from September of I believe it
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  was third twenty eighteen all the way till June twenty
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  fifth of twenty twenty. Question okay, great, and then from
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  what dates were you the captain? Answer? I was captain
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  from September of I believe it was third twenty eighteen
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  all the way to June twenty fifth of twenty twenty.
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  Question okay, great. And then was that your first assignment
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  as a captain? Answer? No, it was my second question
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  What was your first assignment as a captain? Answer my
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  first assignment as a captain, I was a deputy captain
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  at MDC Brooklyn. Question okay, and then you got promoted
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  and went to MCC. Answer yeah. Question and what does
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  MCC stand for? Answer the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Question perfect
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  and located at one fifty Park Row, New York, New York.
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  Answer that's correct. Question, Thank you sir. As a captain,
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  would you consider your supervisor when you were at MCC?
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  Answer it would be at that point at that time
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  we was transitioning, so I would normally I would answer
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  to two people, which would be the aw a custody
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  which at the time was redacted However, he was transitioning
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  when that incident happened. It was redacted as the aw
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  over custody at the time. Question all right, so when
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  you're talking about that time, are you talking about August
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  ninth and August tenth of twenty nineteen. Answer that is correct.
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  Question Okay, So are you aware of redacted was still
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  in the A and W charge of custody at that time?
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  Answer no, question she was not. Answer no, basically what
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  it was again with the area of responsibility that it
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  changed prior to the incident, So that week misredacted was
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  going to be even though her responsibility is had changed
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  as the aw over custody and wardendi had appointed or
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  instructed that misredacted would then take over the responsibilities. But however,
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  she was supposed to go on annual leave, so at
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  the time misredacted was actually there as far as she
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  was still in that capacity when the incident happened. However,
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  again the previous question that was asked, normally, as my responsibilities,
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  I would notify the aw over custody and also I
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  would have conversations with the warden. So it would just
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  depend on what the situation may be. So if there
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  was instances where I would run things through the chain
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  from the AW to the warden, and there were times
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  that I would take direction directly from the warden. Question Okay,
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  As far as though in this instance, if you know,
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  be in that August ninth and August tenth, I believe
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  that the first person you contacted, he gets cut off
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  by mister Darden. It was redacted. Question and that was
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  because the other AW was out? Is that what you
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  were saying? Answer? My belief is that she was on
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  annual leave, which was stated that we had closed out
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  on that Friday that she would be starting annual leave.
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  Question okay, but the other AW wasn't in fact you're
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  supervisor at the time. Answer yes, question okay? Which you
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  just said was you went with redacted because she was
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  on answer? That's right? Question Okay? Have you since learned
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  anything about like was that not correct? Answer? Well, what
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  I realized is that once the incident had occurred, AW
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  redacted or responded to the institution at which time or
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  annual leave? I believe she canceled her annual leave and
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  she assumed her position as a w over custody. Question,
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  all right, how do you spell her last name? Answer? Misredacted.
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  Question perfect, Thank you. All right. So is it correct
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  that you were interviewed by agents of the FBI and
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  the DOJ and OIG back when this instance occurred in
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  August of twenty nineteen. Answer that is correct. Question great.
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  I'm just going to go over the report that was
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  written in response to their conversation with you. We want
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  to just go over for act you as well as
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  to fill in some gaps that we found that we
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  just need some clarification on. Answer absolutely. Question. So I'm
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  just going to read it and you stop me if
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  there is anything that you find that is inaccurate. Answer
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  correct question, All right. So redacted began his career with
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  BOP and Florence, Colorado in two thousand and five. In
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  twenty fourteen, he was transferred to the Metropolitan Detention Center
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  MDC in Brooklyn to captain at MCC, his current position.
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  He gets cut off by Darden. Yeah there's a lot
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  missing in between there. Question Yeah, yeah, right right. So
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  it says in Brooklyn, I miss this line. It says
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  where he was made deputy captain in twenty fifteen. In
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  twenty eighteen, redacted was promoted to captain at MCC, his
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  current position where he oversees security for the entire building.
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  Answer well, yeah, there was a little bit missing there because, yeah,
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  I answer on duty and I started my career in Florence. However,
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  I left Florence in two thousand and nine and that's
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  when I went to Pollock, FCC Pollock, and then from
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  FCC Pollock from two thousand and nine, I was there
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  to twenty fourteen, and then from fourteen I left Pollock
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  to go to MDC Brooklyn, and then in eighteen that's
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  when I assumed duties at MCC. Question okay, so they
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  have Yeah, so I guess you are transferred to the
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  MDC in Brooklyn in twenty fourteen, and in twenty fifteen
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  was when you were promoted to deputy captain. Answer that
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  is correct, question okay. It says directly supervises approximately thirteen lieutenants.
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  Does that comprise all of the lieutenants this was at
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  the time, Was that all of the lieutenants at MCC
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  Answer correct question okay, and it as approximately one twenty
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  five to one hundred and thirty five line staff correctional
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  officers under his purview. Answer yes, Well, you know when
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  they say that, what they understand is that under correctional services.
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  That was probably the amount of staff that was again
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  in correctional service as subordinate staff. However, my direct supervision
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  would have been just over the thirteen lieutenants question. Okay,
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  there are thirteen oh thirteen lieutenants, right? I thought you
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  were saying gs thirteen. Gotcha. Redacted also sits on the
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  institution's executive staff, which also includes the warden. Redacted's primary
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  duty is to ensure that the security protocols are met
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  by his lieutenants and substaff, and that policy guidelines are
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  being followed as set forth by the BOP. Answer correct question.
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  Among others, redacted is responsible for the following special housing
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  unit Lieutenant Lieutenant redacted is that correct? Answer? Correct question?
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  As an administrative lieutenant responsible for maintaining paperwork. So when
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  you say an administrative lieutenant, here are you saying whoever
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  was acting in the administrative capacity? Answer? No, I wasn't.
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  Basically administrative duties, the administrative duty falls under the appointed
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  shoe lieutenant. The shoe lieutenant. The appointed shoe lieutenant has
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  certain duties that have to be done daily within the unit,
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  not just the supervision of the line staff that work
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  the unit, but also over all on running of the unit,
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  meaning that ensuring that all paperwork is done. Question okay, answer,
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  all security protocols are followed to ensure that inmates or
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  run rosters, to ensure that inmates are placed in the
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  cracked cells or in the proper cells, to ensure that
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  they're supposed to audit set rosters, to ensure that they
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  have proper accountability of the inmates in the unit. Question So,
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  I guess what I was getting at is like how
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  the shoe lieutenant was redacted? Was there a specific person
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  that was the administrative lieutenant? Answer? Yeah, the administrative lieutenant
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  at the time was redacted. Question and you happen to
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  know how to spell that last name? Answer it's redacted.
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  Question thank you, sir an sis lieutenant responsible for paperwork?
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  And who is that? Answer which lieutenant? Question yes, answer okay?
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  And operations in activities lieutenant? Answer which are on the
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  day of the incident? Question yeah? And would you like
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  to see the duty roster for August ninth and August tenth?
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  Question no, okay, do you know who it was? Answer?
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  So I believe the morning watch lieutenant when that incident
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  occurred was lieutenant. What's her damn name. I just said
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  her name. Question I can show you this answer. Yeah. Question,
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  So I'm showing you duty agent roster from or daily
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  assimon roster from Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen, as well
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  as one from Saturday, August tenth, twenty nineteen. And you
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  can keep them in front of you, just so you can.
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  We're going to talk about people, so you can reference
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  the two. Answer so right, it appears here it would
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  have been redacted. Would have been the operations lieutenant on Saturday,
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  August tenth, twenty nineteen. Question and is it redacted? Answer? Yeah?
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  Question perfect? And what time did you work? Answer? At
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  that time the shift they were working a different schedule.
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  The schedule was I believe it was ten to six. Question. Okay,
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  so ten pm on August ninth, two six hundred on
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  August tenth. Answer that is correct. All right, folks, we're
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  gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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  information that goes with this episode can be found in
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