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Prey Drive in Doodles: Turn the Chase Into Teamwork with Simone Mueller · The Doodle Pro®: Positive Dog Training for Calm Doodles

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  SPEAKER_01: I am thrilled to bring to you today one of my favorite colleagues.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have Simone Mueller, and she is coming to us from South Germany and is going to talk about how she offers help when your doodle just can't listen if there's wildlife around.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking bunnies, squirrels, deer, etc., and you just can't get their attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like their parade drive is switched on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Simone, I'm so happy to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, Corinne.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for inviting me back.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoyed being on your on your podcast and in your conference.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was really amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to bring you back because so many of our attendees in the Doodle Pro Summit loved your Mythbusters presentation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then your couple visits that you've done on the podcast are some of our listeners' favorites.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I am just so happy to have you back.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you mind sharing a lot of your work?
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  SPEAKER_01: We talk about PST, predation substitute training.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you define that for our listeners, what you mean by that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So PST basically means predation substitute training.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I mean here is that we try to work with your dog's prey drive.
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  SPEAKER_00: So instead of suppressing a very natural behavior that our dogs love to show and that is so important for our dogs, instead of just suppressing it and saying, no, you cannot do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to find a system that keeps everybody safe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like not only you, your dog, but also you and the wild animal.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there are three parties that we need to keep safe here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, you want to give your dog an outlet for these behaviors that are controllable and that you can work with and yeah, so that you feel safer and you can also give your dog more freedom in the long run of this training.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that your work helps meet their need instead of suppressing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as is everything for DoodleCrow, there is no fail or force or fear involved.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we don't need to put a shock collar on, and when they see the squirrel, we're not zapping.
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  SPEAKER_01: There, there is a scientific and kind way to help them meet their need and stay safe, all three of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if somebody is wondering, hmm, does this just what a doodle looks like, what their behavior might look like, that could benefit from predation substitute training?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, because doodles are hunting dogs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you have two hunting dogs mixed mixed together, and these dogs are made for working with you as the human in the field of predatory behavior, of hunting behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: They want to perform this behavior together with you, and it's so cool when the dog guardian can yeah, not only be the interrupter that always spoils the fun for the dog, but going back on that leech, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, you can't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stop it here, stop it immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when we can learn how to turn into a hunting partner for our dog that gives them moments of success and where they can outlive this behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and what happens here is something nice because not only the dog is super happy, but also the owner, the human part, becomes super proud of the dog because suddenly they realize, oh my gosh, my dog actually has skills that are amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We bred so when we're talking about our poodles, these awesome coats that we're so excited don't shed, and are lower in allergens for so many of us, were for them to be water retrieving fowl.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they're and they are built to be in tune with us and to hunt with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: I personally am not a hunter, that isn't what I do, but my dog still has that DNA and that desire that isn't just been bred out of him because he's lived indoors for the last couple of generations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am also not a hunter, never wanted to be one, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_00: So but I have dogs that want to perform tasks with me that come from the field of hunting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have developed games together and yeah, outlets, like I call them games.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like mimicking parts of predatory behavior that we can do together safely without harming an animal and bringing the dog into danger or yourself into danger.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when your students have finished predation substitute training, what does a walk look like when you're going on a hike or in a park without a fence?
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: So most of the time when there is nothing around like wildlife around, we still have often the problem that the dogs are like switched on by the environment.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they are in a field, they are in a forest, they are next to a bush or something like this, and immediately they feel like switched on and get into this hunting mood, like being very excited.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the first things that we realize is that suddenly the dogs are more approachable for us, so that we can actually give them a cue and they listen to us, and it's like, whoa, we become relevant again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the beginning, we're totally invisible in that environment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I want the dogs in my training to realize oh, actually, there is somebody at the back walking together with me and making make and and listening to this person actually makes sense because all of most of the time our dogs can hunt alone, they don't need us for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I want to become relevant for my dog so that they actually listen to us, not because they fear us, but because they think, oh, it makes sense to listen to her.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gives me more access to the environment, it gives me a better, better life and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the next thing that we work on is what happens when we come across wildlife.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because up to before the training, usually what happens is that everybody gets really excited, like frantic that the dog owner is panicking.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh my god, there is a deer, there is a rabbit, what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the dog picks up on this excitement and is like, Oh, where is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, now I see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then everybody feels that tightening, and yes, yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then then we have the owner panicking, the dog going crazy on the leash.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a lot of shouting, we have a lot of screaming, yes, and and and everything is really messy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what we are trying to do here is we want to implement like rituals.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do we do when we actually come across wildlife so that in the end the owner knows what to do, the dog knows what to do, and we can manage the situation in yeah, rather calmness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't say we are 100% perfect here, but we're working towards it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And every situation that we manage without going crazy, everybody knows what to do when we come across wildlife, actually, is a step forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: That sounds like such an improvement in how pleasant a walk or a hike can be with our doodle.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that sounds delightful.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if someone's listening to this right now and they're a pet parent and they're like, oh, I want to learn more, you have a freebie for them that busts some myths about predatory behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where could they find that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically on my website, it's predation substitute training.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: And under free resources, I have the mythbuster webinar where we talk about some harmful old conceptions and myths about predatory behavior that can really yeah hold you back in your training.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you don't need that, you can let go of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll have the link for that in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got a whole series of books that are fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if somebody just, if they're a doodle nerd and they really like to dig in and learn more by reading, I recommend your book, Hunting Together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what will they get out of reading that book?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Hunting Together gives you the baseline, the the basics of the whole concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's uh uh I always compare the the training program like a four-piece puzzle, like a puzzle that consists of four pieces.
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  SPEAKER_00: And each of these piece pieces is equally important.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in this book, I cover them all, not so much in depth.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is more something that you learn in the courses, but for a lot of dogs, when you read the book and you implement what you read in the book, this is already, yeah, I would say enough for for most of the dogs to improve the situations out there.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And not everybody is able to get to you in Germany, and I know you have students worldwide.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: If someone's like, okay, I gotta have this and learn how to have a hike or a walk with my doodle, you have a gift for our listeners for your course, Call Off the Chase.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you, if you are listening, if you use the code doodle, surprise, surprise, Simone is giving you 33% off of Call Off the Chase.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: And can you tell us a little bit about that program?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the Call Off the Chase is definitely a step up after the book, or even if you haven't read the book, it it begins from scratch and it covers everything.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, everything that you need to know as a dog guardian to work with your own dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it covers all these four puzzle pieces that I have just mentioned in depth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, if you really work on your dog's prey dress and you mean it really serious, then call of the chase, the PST master course is definitely, I think, the most comprehensive course on predatory behavior available in English.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: With the code Doodle, you can get 33% off.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll have the link in the show notes as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is also self-study, so you could do it on your own time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you can start anytime, and but you're not alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it is self-paced, so you get emails over the core, not sorry, emails, I mean uh modules are released each week for for about 13 weeks.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: But you also have one year access to my QA sessions, you have one year access to a community that we have, so you're never alone in this process, and you can always ask your questions either in the QA, you can hand in some videos that we are going to look at and analyze together.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if it needs to be like a really quick answer that cannot wait until the next QA session, we have the community where you can write it down and then my team or I will give you feedback.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: That I mean, what an opportunity for pet parents.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for my fellow pet professionals, we know in typical dog training certification, they don't teach predatory substitution, predation substitution training.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a mouthful.
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  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of our clients are looking for help with this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just this weekend, our timing is perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: You also have a gift for pet pros because on Monday, your certification training for pet professionals that only once runs once a year kicks off.
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  SPEAKER_01: So deadline Sunday to join, and you are giving pet pros who are listening to this podcast off of that certification with the code Doodle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: So actually, the the this price that the the code gives you was reserved for the wait list uh and it has already closed, so it's not available anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for for you, I I'm ready to open it up again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I think it is so important to educate on this topic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I was the same when I did my dog trainer education, and it was a really good and follow two-year course in Switzerland that I did, and we learned about predatory behavior, but it was only one weekend.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I started working with clients, I I felt prepared, but then I had suddenly dogs in my yeah, in my one-to-one trainings that I have never come across before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like hounds, they are so different from my shepherds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I really I was lost.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I felt like, what am I going to do with this dog?
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  SPEAKER_00: The the instructor course really prepares you for all types of dogs, for all dog breeds that you will come across when you when you work with predatory behavior, and it really gives you the opportunity to maybe even niche down and be the expert on predatory behavior in your area because we need more people to offer force-free programs and effective programs that still work when there's no e-color.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's not necessary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, wonderful.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Simone.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are listening to this later and it's a few weeks or months later, I know lots of people find the podcast all the time.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I will also share the link to the wait list if you're a pet pro and you want to join next year.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: But you can join Call of the Chase anytime you want, grab our book, and definitely grab the predatory behavior.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Simone, it's such a joy having you back.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you, Corinne.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.