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Mike Gendron: Discernment, And God’s Prophetic Plan For Israel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hello, friends, and thank you so much for tuning in and for sharing the podcast.
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  I want to get right down to it, and I've got the list in front of me here of the people
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  So if your state is not in there, come on, I know we have listeners there, hopefully.
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  Anyway, I can't wait to talk about this important subject today, God's prophetic plan for
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  Israel.
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  I want to bring in Mike Jenren.
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  He is with proclaimingthegospal.org.
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  It's a phenomenal website if you like information on sharing the gospel and basically the biblical
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  worldview and why we believe what we believe.
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  He's got a bookstore full of tracks to share a lot of video messages.
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  He's got a great newsletter.
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  That's one of things we're going to be talking about today.
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  And Mike is a former Catholic of many decades years ago, and he does great work across the
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  country.
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  In fact, he's leaving tomorrow to go speak at another event.
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  But Mike Jenren, God bless you, brother, happy New Year, and good to see you.
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  Well, it's good to be back with you.
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  Always enjoy your programs.
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  Well, thank you.
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  Where have you been speaking recently?
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  What have you been doing in your ministry?
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  Well, the Lord has taken us all over the world.
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  It's pretty amazing because there's such a demand now for getting the gospel and presenting
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  it clearly.
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  We're living in the last days.
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  It's obvious from all the prophecy that's being fulfilled.
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  And so there's a great demand for equipping and encouraging the body of Christ to reach
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  out to those who are perishing.
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  And I think more and more people now are recognizing the time is nearer.
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  We need to be about the Lord's business.
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  And I really want to have people check out your website proclaimingthegospel.org because
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  it's so important to have Bible tracks with us in our car, in our case, briefcase, wherever
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  you go, and you can carry some with you in your pocket, hopefully.
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  And you've got a lot of them.
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  How long have you been doing that, Mike, printing some and providing gospel tracks?
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  Well, we've been doing the ministry now 33 years.
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  And we now have eight different gospel tracks.
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  Three of them are also available in Spanish, some in Portuguese, some in Korean.
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  So it's truly amazing the global impact that our ministry has had.
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  All, of course, because of the Lord's providence, and we give him all the glory for what he's
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  done with a couple of broken vessels.
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  But David, I really believe that as we give the gospel verbally, we really need to leave
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  a gospel track behind so people can look at it and written form.
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  And so they won't miss anything that was being said.
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  So our gospel tracks really cover the broad spectrum.
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  Three of them are dedicated to reaching the world's largest and most neglected mission
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  field, Nester Roman Catholic religion.
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  We've got one for all the false converts and Protestant churches.
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  It's called, if they're false hope, how can I be sure?
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  We've got another one entitled, Where Will You Spend Eternity?
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  And that's an easy one to give away because everybody knows they're going to spend eternity
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  either in heaven or hell.
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  And so another one has, have you ever been deceived, you know, the very nature of deception
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  is that people do not know they're deceived until they're confronted with a truth.
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  So what we do with our gospel tracks is confront people with the truth of God's word so
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  that they can repent of any false way and believe the true way.
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  Mike, before we get into the topic today, what we had planned to talk about, a very important
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  subject of God's prophetic plan for Israel has chosen people.
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  You said something that really peaked my interest because it's very important to evangelize
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  in our own churches in America.
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  So tell us about true faith or false hope.
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  Can you give us a few bullet points on that for believers that are converted and hold
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  in the biblical worldview and they've got either on sound doctrine and they believe
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  in the whole council of God.
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  But yet there are people that would call themselves Christians that really are not believing
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  some, even some of the basic tenets of the faith.
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  So tell us about true faith or false hope briefly.
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  Well, sure, David, it's based on Paul's exhortation in 2 Corinthians 13.5 that we are
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  to examine ourselves to make sure we're in the faith because there's a lot of distorted
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  gospels.
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  People have distorted the gospel by adding requirements to it or by taking requirements
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  away from it.
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  And so we've got churches now that are filled with people that have not heard the true,
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  complete gospel as it's revealed in Scripture.
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  In another way that this false converts in our churches is they may hear of the true gospel,
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  but they may be responding to it not according to Scripture.
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  You know, the first command of our Lord Jesus was to repent and believe the gospel.
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  There are many pastors and well-meaning evangelists today that are not calling people to repent.
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  And that's part of the first command of Jesus.
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  And so it's not a matter of just simply believing.
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  If we're believing a false Christ or a false gospel, then we have to repent, which means
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  change your mind and believe the true gospel and the true Christ.
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  And so it's very important that we call people to repent and believe the gospel.
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  So many churches are believing that you can win people to Christ by having them come
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  forward in an alter call or raising a hand or repeating a prayer.
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  Well, you can repeat a prayer as long as you couple that with repentance and faith.
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  Amen.
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  That's what's necessary in order to be born again.
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  Amen.
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  Thank you for making that point very important.
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  As much as we believe in crusades and evangelistic efforts, we really make sure we are preaching
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  the whole gospel.
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  We got to talk about God's judgment, you got to talk about sin, and you must get to repentance,
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  as you said, very, very important, not just an emotional.
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  The music gave me goose bumps and I think I should raise my hand and go forward.
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  Anyway, we could spend a whole hour on that, Mike.
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  But let's go back to last year, you were in Israel on a tour when they were horrifically
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  and demonically attacked by Hamas and I just want to start off by sharing the very beginning
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  of your newsletter that you sent out at the end of last year.
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  It says in our sovereign lords, amazing providence, the itinerary for our Bible lands, crews
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  to Israel was changed for some unknown reason and then you go on and explain where you were
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  and what happened.
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  So take us back there and just briefly tell us what happened and God obviously spared
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  you and kept you guys safe.
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  So go ahead and share Mike.
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  Well, sure, we actually never made it into Israel.
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  We were on a cruise ship and we had been to Ephesus and Athens and we're on a way to
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  Israel.
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  It was actually doing a message on the ship and it was all about God's prophetic plan
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  for the Jewish people and God's faithfulness to the nation of Israel.
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  And so when I finished my message, I opened it up for questions and one of the people in
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  the audience said, I just got a news feed on my cell phone and Israel is being attacked
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  right now and we were scheduled to dock them very next day and so again in God's providence
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  we were diverted away from Israel and we never were a part of that.
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  We know some people that were there and it was really difficult for them to get out because
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  of everything that was going on.
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  So we praise God.
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  We're disappointed in not being able to go but thankful to the Lord that He redirected
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  us at the last moment.
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  So let's go back now about 2000 years or more actually if you go start at 1948 and
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  go backwards, the Jews were dispersed around the world and that land was basically a desert,
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  a wasteland and the Jews were returning to their homeland after being dispersed for
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  so long.
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  And there's a verse that you shared in Deuteronomy 33 through 5, it says, the Lord your
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  God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the
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  nations where He scattered you.
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  Let's stop right there, Mike Gendron.
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  That's very interesting and obviously prophetic, but it says that God scattered them.
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  In his sovereignty, God allowed his people to be scattered around the world to share
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  your thoughts on that.
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  Well, yeah, I'd rather just quote the scripture from Deuteronomy 28 verses 64 to 67.
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  We read the Lord will scatter you among all the nations from one end of the earth to
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  the other among those nations.
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  You will find no repose, no resting place for the soul of your foot.
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  There the Lord will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing and a despairing
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  heart.
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  You will live in constant suspense filled with dread those night and day, never sure of
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  your life because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes
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  will see.
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  And so that was the scattering by the Lord because of their disobedience to him, but what
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  a merciful and gracious God he fulfilled this prophetic promise to bring them back to
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  the land.
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  And now, of course, 1948, let's just go right there.
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  That's when they were reestablished and fascinating history.
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  As you said, I think in your newsletter, you said the prophetic time clock started ticking
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  again when Israel became a sovereign nation in 1948.
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  And so not that prophecies were still not being fulfilled elsewhere, but that was very important
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  for them to get back to the land that God promised them, Israel, Jerusalem.
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  Share more about that, Mike.
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  Well, the eyes of the world are focused on Israel and its capital, Jerusalem, just as
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  it was prophesied, or declared behold, I'm about to make Jerusalem a cup of trembling
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  to all the surrounding peoples.
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  And so part of my message on the cruise ship was how Israel would be attacked by the
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  nations surrounding it, all the Europe nations.
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  And so we're seeing the prophetic time clock moving forward at a very rapid pace as far
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  as we're concerned.
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  But in God's eyes, it's all taking place according to his plan in David.
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  But I think we're a very blessed people because we may be the very people that see prophecy
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  fulfilled.
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  I think we may be the most blessed generation in 2000 years because we really do see
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  the networking of God's plan.
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  We are getting really close, Mike.
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  That's why we started off by sharing the importance of loving your neighbor enough to tell
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  them the truth and to share the gospel with them because we do not know.
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  We know.
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  I mean, most every believer you talk to would recognize to some degree that we are really
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  close to the end and the return of Christ.
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  And we are in a very, like you said, prophetic time.
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  Things are happening in our world today that we, that Mike, I wouldn't have imagined if
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  you would have said, you know, 30 years ago, this was going to be happening in your country.
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  And then this is what the global outlook would be like.
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  Global is going to be attacked and all these other things.
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  And first of all, going back to the attack by Hamas, a lot of what we've seen since then
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  has shown that we really haven't learned from world history and such to some degree it's
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  being repeated on our own college campuses.
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  You've got protests or, well, I guess you come protests against Israel, but pro Hamas,
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  pro Palestine and these people don't even know world history, let alone biblical history.
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  We know that.
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  But there's some ignorance there when it comes to who has the right to the land.
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  And you talked about that in your newsletter, who has the right to the land of Israel.
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  So I think we need to go back, Mike, there's a lot of people that need to be reminded what
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  the Bible teaches and who has the right.
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  Well, the Bible, God's word, is the title deed to the land he gave it to Israel.
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  And anybody that has a Bible can search it out for themselves.
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  The Lord made a covenant with Abraham saying to your descendants, I have given this land
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  from the river of Egypt as far as the Great River, the River Euphrates.
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  That's Genesis 1518.
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  And then later on he declared, I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land
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  where you live as a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession.
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  And I will be their God, Genesis 17, eight.
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  And so I raised my voice because it is an everlasting possession for Israel,
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  even though God scattered them around the world, the title deed still belonged to the Jews.
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  So he's re-gathered them and it belongs to their nation forever, the Jewish people.
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  So there's a verse that you share after that or you actually make the point that no human solution
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  to this ongoing conflict over the rights of the land exists, but there is a divine solution.
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  The things will not be resolved until Jesus turns the king of kings to set up his earthly kingdom
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  from the throne of David and Jerusalem 2 Samuel 7.
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  When we come back from this brief break, we're going to talk about who are the Palestinians
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  on World View Matters with Mike Gendron.
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  So friends, again, go to Mike's website for gospel tracks and a whole lot more,
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  lots of great information at proclaimingthegospel.org and check out the store.
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  But Mike, there's a lot of confusion about Palestine, but the Palestinian people who in world history
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  didn't exist. And it's really amazing because we're not surprised what happens on college campuses
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  because they went through the K through 12 system and then they went to the leftist
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  Marxist universities and got more of the propaganda. So just share your thoughts on
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  you mentioned the emperor Hadrian, you know, in Rome.
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  Mention that who are the Palestinians and go back as far as you need to there.
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  Well, in the second century, the Roman Emperor decided to punish the Jews by changing the name
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  of Judea to Palestine. So this is nothing to do with modern-day Palestinians. They didn't even
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  exist at the time, but at the time of the conquest of the land by the British Empire in 1917,
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  many Arabs from neighboring countries made their way into the land of Israel as migrant workers.
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  Years later, after Israel declared itself independent in 1948,
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  Arab armies invaded the land with the goal of eliminating every Jew.
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  In the six-day war of 1967, Arab nations tried again to destroy Israel,
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  but Israel miraculously prevailed and took the Golden Heights, Judea,
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  Samaria, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Gaza Strip. All this to say, there has never been a Palestinian
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  state, a Palestinian language, a Palestinian culture. So for the Palestinians to say they have
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  a right to the land, it's just absurd because they never existed until recently.
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  It really is astounding. It really is. And you mentioned, obviously, we've talked about this
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  on the podcast for several months now, the fact that Palestinians as a people group were not
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  mentioned until about 75 years ago, but people have short memories, and they do not know true
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  world history let alone the Bible, but it's propaganda. It's what the left has been putting out
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  there for so long. And by the way, very interesting point you make, the Quran never mentions Jerusalem.
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  The Bible mentions Jerusalem some 800 times, and yet they are claiming they have a right to
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  Jerusalem and right to the land. And people are going, oh yeah, you know, they make a good point.
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  And you just have to shake your head, Mike, this like this delusion going on.
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  What are your thoughts on that?
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  Well, we have to always go back to this spiritual warfare between God and Satan. Satan
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  hates everything about God, including the Jewish people. Obviously, he hates the Lord Jesus Christ,
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  he hates the Christian church. And so we know that the whole world lies in the power of the devil,
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  1 John 5.9. And so when we look at what took place with Hamas coming in and trying to destroy
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  the Jewish people, that was inflicted by really Satan with his willing pawns. He's the one that's
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  behind all of this anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitism. And so when we recognize that,
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  we know that the enemies of God are constantly on the move, trying to destroy God's
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  prophetic plan. That's right. I'm from the beginning. There's nothing new under the sun.
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  And now there's just different ways, different methods, different people now.
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  So very important point that I've heard often, I think, I don't think you can say this often
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  enough. I think even Benjamin Netanyahu and others have been quoted saying this, if Islam puts
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  down her weapons, there would be no more terrorism. If Israel puts down her weapons, there would be no
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  more Israel. Now, Mike, if you just take that at face value and we know most people, most honest
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  people that would reason and say, okay, yeah, that's, you know, that's probably right. But yet,
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  they still, they won't change their worldview, you know, or they still believed the talking points.
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  But doesn't that say something that Israel does want peace? But they have to defend themselves.
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  They have a right to defend themselves and the land. Go ahead.
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  Well, they do. They have every right. And when you look at the map, they are surrounded
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  by millions of hostile Arab people that their number one goal as Palestinians and Muslims is to
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  destroy Israel. They don't want to take over the land. They want to destroy the Jewish race.
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  That's right. And so that's why there will be no peace in Israel until the Prince of Peace comes
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  back. And we know that right before he does word before the rapture of the church that will be a
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  peace treaty that's affirmed by the Antichrist and it will be a false peace in the land of Israel.
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  But at the midpoint of the tribulation, the Antichrist will turn against Israel and they will not
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  be spared until the Lord returns. And he will save a third of the people that are remaining in
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  Israel. And it's so tragic to know that two-thirds of the Jewish population will be
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  destroyed in the tribulation period. But always like what the Lord said, you know,
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  looking over Jerusalem when he was here the first time 2000 years ago, he wept over
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  Jerusalem and he said, you will not see me again until you say, blessed is he who comes in the name
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  of the Lord. And then all Israel will be saved when they look upon the one they pierced.
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  And so that's the future of Israel. It's a glorious future. But before they get to the end,
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  they're going to have to suffer quite a bit more. It's hard to imagine what Jesus felt when he
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  said that, looking over Jerusalem saying you rejected the truth. You killed the prophets and those
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  sent to you. It's hard to imagine God in the flesh, what he felt at that moment were his own
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  people. The Messiah was right in front of them, walking among them and doing miracles. And anyway,
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  Mike, you referenced Zechariah 13, 8 and 9. I think before we wrap up today, it's important to
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  talk about that because not all Israel is going to be saved, which is very sad. And Jesus
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  words are full of warning, full of rebuke for those who who would reject him or put their
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  traditions above the word of God. And oh, my goodness, don't you have a whole testimony on your
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  days as a Catholic, putting the traditions of man before God's holy word? Your quick thoughts on
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  that or whatever you want to share? Well, sure. We know that there's a partial
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  heartening of the heart on Israel until the Lord removes that. And so we know that there are some
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  Jewish people that are being saved and converted to Christ now. But most of them will not
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  be converted until they look upon the one they have pierced. What a joy that will be for all of
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  them when they recognize that they had been deceived for so many years. They'd listen to their
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  false teachers, the apostate Jewish leaders. And so much of that can be related to the church today.
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  We have so many false teachers in our church today that are leading people down the wide
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  road to destruction all in the name of Christianity. And of course, we know the Roman Catholic religion
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  represents 1.3 billion precious souls. But there's also many in our Protestant churches that have been
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  misled by false teachers. And so more than ever, I think we need to have discernment.
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  We need to test every man's teaching with the word of God. And if it doesn't line up with the
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  word of God, we need to reject it. And those that don't have discernment really need our help.
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  Because those that have been abiding in God's word, they know the truth. And the truth is
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  that I'm free from any religious deception. We just need to help those who are being deceived,
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  David. And I know that your heart beat as well in your ministry.
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  That's right. And one of the biggest problems in our church is today. I think one of them
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  is progressive Christianity. You might say liberal Christianity. You might put another. It's
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  an oxymoron. If you ask me, but there's an interesting quote that Owen Strayon shared recently.
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  He said, the greatest threat to biblical Christianity today is not atheism, militant Islam,
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  the sexual revolution, or a hostile public square. He said, the greatest threat to biblical
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  Christianity today is weak, soft, man-centered, sin-affirming, ear-tickling, flesh-pleasing,
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  self-help theology. And what that is also a religion of works. And people mean, well,
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  I think a lot of times, but that's not going to save you. We've got a problem in our churches
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  where you've got the best life. Now theology, you've got the prosperity gospel. Mike, it's a mess.
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  And not surprising to God in the pages of scripture where Paul warned, Peter warned,
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  Jude warned, you know, about mockers, about false teachers, about those who'd want their ears
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  tickled. So share your final thoughts on how we believers and people that support your ministry
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  and our audience here can reach people that think they're good to go, but their theology is a
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  little off. Well, the Lord said the signs of the end times would be great deception, false
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  teachers, false prophets, false Christ. He also in scripture has talked about the growing apostasy,
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  and so we're seeing that now. And yet, most people in our Protestant churches don't see an apostasy
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  because they're right in the middle of it. They've got to see it with a false gospel and a false
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  Christ. And you articulated that very well. And so those who have discernment, we need to lovingly
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  confront those who are being deceived. And we need to ask them, where you go to church?
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  What is your church teach about salvation? How can you know for sure that you are saved? And,
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  you know, the promise of the gospel is eternal everlasting life. Many Protestants believe you
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  can lose your salvation. So they haven't heard the true gospel promise I need to believe. So
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  more than ever, our work has cut out for us. We need to sow the seed of God's imperishable word
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  because it's a promise that it will bring forth life when it finds fertile soil. Amen, brother.
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  Amen. Mike Gendron proclaiming the gospel.org. So you're heading to California. Where are you
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  going to be speaking there? I'm speaking at Revolved Bible Church, which is the church that
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  put out my message last year that now has a million five hundred thousand views on YouTube.
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  So we're looking for another viral message to go for this weekend. My message is very
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  tied into what we've just talked about. The title of my message is discernment
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  against the Seekful Talk Friends of demons. And one of the things we've got to get right friends
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  is our worldview on Israel at the Bible teaches about Israel. That's why Mike, I wanted to have
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  you on because I wanted to talk to you for a while again, but when I saw the newsletter on
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  God's prophetic plan for Israel, we've got to continue to talk about this. It's not going to go
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  away, but God bless you, brother and your ministry. Safe travels and Lord willing, we'll speak
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  again soon. No blessings to you too, as well as your ministry. Thank you, Mike. All right, guys,
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  proclaiming the gospel.org. Thank you again for sharing the podcast. It's growing. We're
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  starting the year from more people. So thank you and God bless you. As always, keep speaking the truth
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  about things that matter.