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#169: Saw 2 (2005) with The Decision Reel · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, What's your least favorite scary movie?
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  This is all really, really interesting, John, but right now
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  I'd really like for you to talk to me.
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  Welcome to watch Your Least Nervous Scary Movie, the podcast
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  where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly, and the
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  absurd, and all of our favorite and least favorite scary movies.
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has its fan
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  base. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name is Travis. My name is Jesse and today we
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  have an extra special guest. We have Steve from The Decision.
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  Real welcome back, Steve. What's up guys?
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  Thanks for having me on the the podcast again.
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  Always good for. Joining us, yeah.
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  Here, this has been what, like the 17th time I've been on it?
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  Approximately, you are the most frequent guess, that is for
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  sure. Yeah, and we're bringing you on
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  for like the second entry of our second of the second 'cause you
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  were on screen too last time. So now you're on.
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  I guess this is the thing. Just next time you do a sequel,
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  just give me a call. I'll be the sequel guy.
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  Sequel, Steve I like. So with that being said, I have
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  no announcements. Travis, do you have poll results
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  for us? I got poll results, so we talked
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  about IT 1990 last week and we asked everybody which nightmare
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  Pennywise form are you? So the options are the teenage
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  werewolf, Jillian's Island Spider, because I spelled
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  Gilligan wrong. How absolutely dare you old
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  ladies sipping bloody and binstead.
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  So on Twitter, 20% are the werewolf, 40% are Jillian's
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  Spider, 20% are old ladies sipping bloody, 20% are
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  Binstead, and on Instagram, 36 teenage werewolf, 43% old lady
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  sipping blood tea, 21% Ben stat. It's supposed to be slurping,
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  slurping. So, well, you just.
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  I had my character. I had my character limit.
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  Yeah. If you could type sipping, you
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  could type slurping. Same number of letters.
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  OK. Yeah, you're right.
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  Warping. Yeah.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  Well, OK. So out of all of those, I think
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  I'd, uh, I'd be Ben stat. Maybe Ben's dad?
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  Yeah, just standing out in like the field holding balloons since
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  while we turning into a clown. I'm definitely Mrs. Marsh, just
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  goblin down that T while maintaining eye contact and
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  like, becoming a deceased looking woman the entire time.
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  Well, I'm already there. Yeah.
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  Steve, you don't have to answer, but if you're familiar with the
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  1998, do you remember those transformations?
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  Man, it's been a long time since I've.
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  Decided to sit down for four hours and watch the original it.
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  Hey, 3 hours and 12 minutes. Sorry I exaggerated 3 hours.
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  The only thing I really remember obviously is Tim Curry just
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  killing it and then a couple scenes where people are over
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  acting so bad that it's so good. So what was the choices again?
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  I'll just pick one. I don't care.
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  Teenage werewolf, the giant spider, the old lady sipping the
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  blood tea, or Ben's dad swerping Okay, Ben's dad when he's out
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  there in the field and he's like slowly turning into a clown
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  while holding balloons. I do remember that, but I'm
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  gonna have to go with turning into a teenage werewolf because
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  my guy Michael J. Fox was a teenage werewolf, so
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  I'm just gonna go with that. All right?
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  Cool. Cool deal.
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  All right, that's our pulse. Okay.
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  All right, so let's talk about saw too.
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  Let us talk about saw two. All righty.
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  Okay So Saw Two was released October 28th, 2005.
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  Because if it's Halloween, it's Saw.
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  We watched it on our DVD, but it's also currently available to
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  stream. Just about anywhere.
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  It's on Peacock Stars Prime, YouTube Premium, YouTube TV
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  Prime, Time, Hulu Premium, or Sling TV Premium.
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  You could also rent it from Google Play, Red Box, or Voodoo.
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  And I believe that Walmart and Target have their Halloween
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  collections out now, so you could also just go get a box set
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  of all of the current Saw movies.
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  Relatively cheap. Super cheap, Yeah.
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  You can get the blue rays online.
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  Pretty cheap too. I wanna, I wanna say something
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  before we get too deep into this.
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  If you don't mind, I'm gonna cut you off.
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  Why is it that the Saw movies are released during Halloween or
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  before Halloween, but every other horror movie is like in
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  February or March, like Every Evil Dead has come out in April?
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  Like I don't understand. I think because Saw actually had
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  like a really big like like box office numbers that they felt
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  confident putting it there. Meanwhile, those other ones are
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  kind of like in the front loaded seasons or like months, because
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  that's where it won't maybe have as much competition with other.
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  Scary logic. You're bringing logic here and I
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  like it, but at the same time. But I'd also argue that we had a
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  lot of horror releases last October.
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  I mean, I feel like we get a lot of horror releases in October,
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  but they're just generally the bigger names associated with
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  them. You're right.
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  So like screams always in the winter usually.
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  Like here lately January and February, even Halloween, some
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  of those are coming out, not exactly around Halloween time.
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  Like we've had many of those. Called Halloween, like Jesus.
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  They're coming out in like May or April or something like that.
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  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I'm not bothered by it.
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  I'd rather have horror movies all year round.
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  I mean, yeah, OK, I'm. I like that too.
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  But I just think in my brain. Horror movie, Halloween time.
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  At least around there. September.
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  You know October time frame. I will tell you though, there is
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  a Saw movie that came out in May that is Spiral.
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  Yeah, Written by Lee Wannell and Darren Lynn Boseman Directed by
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  Darren Lynn Boseman. Music by Charlie Klauser and the
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  special effects makeup artist on IMDBS.
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  Credit is Neil Morrell with the prosthetics coordinator credited
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  as Francois Desinet. Starring Donnie Wahlberg as
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  Detective Eric Matthews, Tobin Bell is Jigsaw Slash John
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  Kramer. Shawnee Smith is Amanda Eric
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  Nedson as Daniel Matthews, Frankie G as Xavier Beverly
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  Mitchell as Laura Glenn Plummer as Jonas, Emmanuelle Vizier as
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  Addison, Timothy Byrd as Abby Dena Meyer as Detective Ker, and
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  Lyric Bent as Detective Rig. All right.
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  Time for our favorite game, budget or budgeted.
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  All right. So Steve, we'll let you guess.
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  1st is it budget so 10 million and above or bucked at 10
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  million and or 19 below 10 million?
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  Below 10 million. There you go.
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  I'm gonna get this. Yeah, this is a hard one for me,
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  right? Because the first one obviously
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  was. Very like small budget.
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  And then it blew up and became what it did.
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  So if this is the direct sequel, which was how many like the
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  following year? Following year, I feel like they
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  would have went, all right, let's put a little bit more
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  behind it, let's make it a bigger movie, which they did.
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  They put a lot more people in it and more, how do I say set
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  dressing? I'm going to say it's more than
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  10. It's got to be.
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  You know what I think I was? No, I was shocked at how cheap
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  it was last time. Or maybe I was more shocked at
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  how expensive it was. I think I'm gonna go with him.
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  I think I'm gonna go budget. Okay.
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  Well it is more of a budget than part one was, but it still falls
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  under our bug Ted category. It has a. 4 million Four million
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  dance What? It's a lot more expensive than
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  the first one was. You think like they considered
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  Mark Wahlberg, but they're like, no, too expensive.
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  Let's get Donnie. No, they probably considered
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  Mark Wahlberg and said, oh, he might actually beat up Tobin
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  Bell. Yeah, it could be it, yeah.
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  Yeah. And also, I mean, Mark Wahlberg
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  would have said $4 million just for me.
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  No, no. That's the budget.
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  Bye. Here's my brother.
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  Hey, what's up man? All right, opening box office of
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  31.7 million and a worldwide gross of 147 million.
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  Currently standing at 6.6 out of 10 on IMDb.
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  Solid all around. That's crazy.
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  So I picked 3 movies from 2005 that all have the distinction of
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  being considered. Fairly graphic, OK, from, you
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  know, most most audience and critics standpoints.
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  Would we say that the trend for torture porn had already started
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  at this point? This was about where it was OK,
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  you know, Saw and Hostile were the ones that kind of kicked
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  that off. And actually the first one on my
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  list is Hostile OK, which premiered at the Toronto
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  International Film Festival on September 17th, 2005.
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  It had a budget of 4.8 million and a worldwide gross of 81.9
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  million. And currently sits with a 5.9
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  out of 10 on IMDb, so almost the same budget too.
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  Almost the same budget, impressive, less of a gross and
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  less of a fan score. I know people shit on this all
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  the time, but I love those movies.
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  Yeah, I don't have a I honestly prefer Hostile to SAW kind of as
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  much as I do like the soft franchise it is played out in.
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  It's the same movie every time with a different twist because
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  they have to. But you know, there's only what
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  3 Hostel do they make? No, they didn't.
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  They're really three. The second one wasn't that bad
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  either. The.
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  Second one I I think is arguably better than the 1st.
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  Yeah, you know what I agree with?
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  There's more, there's more story there, there's more stuff that
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  happens and it's obviously better with the bigger budget.
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  But if you're comparing the first Saw to the first Hostel,
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  movie wise Saw is. Better.
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  But I enjoy watching Hostel. More like replayability kind of
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  thing. Like if you put both of them in
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  front of me, I'll be like I wanna watch Hostel.
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  The problem for me with Hostel is the 1st 45 minutes is
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  basically softcore porn, sometimes hardcore.
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  So I could do without the first half of the movie, and if I feel
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  like I can just ignore half of the movie, I don't know how much
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  I really. I'm trying to remember.
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  I don't remember there being that much graphic nudity in
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  there. I know there's like some.
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  Steve titties galore. It's followed with some boobies.
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  Some book here. Many boobies.
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  I can't complain about that right now.
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  If it's if it's gratuitous to the plot or if it's just there,
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  there's a difference, right? I feel like that movie, it's,
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  it's to the plot because you're going into Europe and they're
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  trying to convince these guys like, hey, you can party with
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  us, you know, try to. Fuck everybody, right?
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  That's what I'm saying. So it does make a little sense,
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  is it? Again, I haven't seen hostile,
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  you know, in a minute. No, That's before they hook up
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  with the hostile girls, though. No, the whole thing is like
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  they're driven by sex, so once. The Sky Wars.
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  And it was sex. It's like, OK, there we go,
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  yeah. But I feel like you can make
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  that point without as much as they did probably, but.
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  I just don't think it was told in the most like engaging
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  storytelling method. You are Rath gonna titty.
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  All right. Second nutty.
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  Yeah. Devil's Rejects.
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  Ooh, OK Yep, That one is pretty brutal at times.
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  That's true. That one also has a lot of
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  gratuitous nudity. Yes, Released July 22nd, 2005.
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  Budget of 7 million? Whoa.
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  And a worldwide gross of 20.9 million Goddamn.
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  Currently sitting on IMDb with a 6.7 out of 10.
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  They really trusted him. After House of 1000 Corpses are
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  like you've made one movie, you've got this.
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  Yeah, they're like one condition.
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  Please give Bill Mosley a slightly better wig, Yeah.
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  Can we please just? Ignore Otis being mostly bald at
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  the top of his head. It's like, all right, but I
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  gotta have my wife. OK, yeah, I I'm fine with it.
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  I'm fine with Shane Moon being and everything he does.
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  I'm OK with it. OK, third movie, Wolf Creek.
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  Ooh, oh, what? I haven't thought of that movie
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  in forever. That's the Australian one,
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  right? OK.
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  Yeah. That released Christmas Day
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  2005. Merry Christmas, yeah.
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  A budget of 1,000,000 and a worldwide gross of 30.8 million.
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  I love that movie. John Jarrett Man, what a creep.
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  He's creepy. Yeah, he does a really good job
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  in the second one and does a really good job in the series.
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  Have you seen the the second one Steve?
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  I'm trying to remember. I know, I know.
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  I've seen the first one. The second one, I know what the
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  cover looks like, but I don't know if I've ever seen it.
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  It's a pretty solid sequel, honestly, especially with it
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  being so far after the first one released.
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  The second one said Y'all wanted violence.
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  Yeah, that currently has a 6.2 out of 10 on IMDb.
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  Nice. All right.
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  I've got taglines. Yeah, you were very excited to
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  share these after yesterday. You were, well, one in
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  particular that had me, like, actually snort out loud.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  The one on the poster, the one most everybody knows is, Oh yes,
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  there will be blood. Ah, yeah, he says that too.
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  Second one, we dare you again. Dot dot dot we dare you, we dare
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  you to saw again. No, we just dare you again.
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  We dare you, OK? Yep, new game, different pieces.
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  OK. I think that's the solid one,
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  that one. Like that?
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  Yeah, that's Spiel. Get the Vitor.
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  That's the German tagline. It means the game continues.
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  And my favorite tagline? Just when you thought it was
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  safe to go back in the torture dungeon, What's?
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  It's a play on the Jaws 2 tagline.
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  It's such a stupid what's the dos?
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  Tagline. Just when you thought it was
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  safe to go back in the water. Oh wow.
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  OK. I love it.
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  That's the kind of dumb tagline we would come up with.
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  Yeah. I love it.
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  That's pretty good. OK, I got a lot of facts, OK?
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  First of all, because we watched this on our own DVD.
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  There is an In Memoriam Greg Hoffman on the DVD menu.
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  Greg Hoffman, one of the producers, one of the original
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  founders of Twisted Pictures. Sadly passed away unexpectedly
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  December 4th, 2005, while Nell and Juan were busy with their
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  next project. So after Salt, who was greenlit,
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  they were unavailable to direct. They were actually working on
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  Dead Silence. Oh dude.
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  I love dead silence. At the same time, Darren Lynn
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  Buzzman was trying to get his script sold for something called
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  The Desperate. He was having trouble getting it
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  sold because a lot of companies were saying that it was too
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  similar to saw. Which was kind of bumming him
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  out. Finally, a German studio decided
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  to pick up on it. They were in the search for a
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  cinematographer when Greg Hoffman stumbled upon the
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  script, and one is use it as a jumping point for Saul too.
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  I like that. He's also like, damn, this looks
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  like a. So they actually pulled Darren
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  Limboseman in to. Direct it.
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  And while Nell was available for script rewrites to kind of merge
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  it into a Saw movie, Wow, so this didn't start with 1L.
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  This is like built off of a whole other movie entirely.
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  Yeah, which is why a lot of people like Bozeman as like part
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  of the core of those all franchise.
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  Interesting, Yeah, can't beat them.
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  Join them. Most of the cast and crew only
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  received 88 pages of the script because they didn't want the
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  twist to get out. The only key members received
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  the ending anytime there were rewrites, the original copies
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  were all shredded and all of the cast members had to sign
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  intiality agreement. Supposedly there were four to
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  five alternate endings shot. I don't remember if we had any
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  on our DVD or not. We didn't get a chance to go
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  through all of the special features just because it's been
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  a busy weekend. Yeah, I have a feeling Kevin
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  Williamson must have been a consultant.
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  He's like guys, guys, trust me, your twist gets out.
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  Everything's ruined. Suddenly you've set the
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  boyfriend up, is a terrible person, and he just gets killed
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  for no reason. Yeah, they're not gonna expect
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  the boyfriend again. And then they find out it's
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  like, ah shit, OK. Darren Lynn Boseman, I don't
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  know why I keep saying his full name.
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  He was very open to the cast members like ad libbing and
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  changing the dialogue as they saw fit for their characters,
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  which ended up being a good call because a lot of the dialogue.
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  Between Donnie Wahlberg and Tobin Bell, they adjusted it to
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  make the relationship seem a little bit more dynamic because
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  before it was just very aggressive and hostile to one
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  another. So we get a little bit more of
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  that that play and the different levels of interaction between
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  them because they were able to tweak it, he said.
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  Overall, about 5% of the dialogue ended up being ad
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  libbed by the actors. They also decided that they were
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  going to do. The on screen desks like allow
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  them to unfold as they happened instead of seeing everything
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  happen in flashbacks like what happened in the first movie.
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  And that was based off of a lot of feed fan feedback they got.
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  And this is from an interview with Bozeman and Fangoria.
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  That's one of my favorite changes in this movie.
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  Bozeman actually has a cameo. He is the hooded figure at the
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  beginning of the movie, inserting the key behind
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  Michael's eye. And a lot of fans thought that
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  it was Lawrence Gordon, and he was like, I never intended for
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  that to be it. But as we know, based off of Saw
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  3D or Saw 7, whichever way you want to refer to it, that ends
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  up being the case. That's funny.
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  Spoilers. No, this whole franchise is
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  gonna be spoiler, I think, for us.
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  Except for whenever the new one comes out.
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  Yeah, we blew it wide open in the episode.
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  One. Yeah.
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  Episode one, we were already referencing like up through saw
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  Six, I think. Yeah.
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  So next. And then my final fun fact I
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  actually really like. I think it's cute.
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  Eric Knudsen, This is his first major feature film role, and he
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  said that Saw and Scream are his favorite franchises.
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  And as you all know, as you may remember, he's Robbie Mercer in
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  Scream 4 Hot Pass with Robbie Mercer.
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  Yeah. So good for him.
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  Good for Eric Knudsen. Wait, is are they his favorites
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  because he's in them? Or were they his favorites and
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  then he became like an actor in them?
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  I don't know. I think he's playing favorites.
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  But no, he no. It was written this one already.
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  Like Saul was listed as one of his favorites because he
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  auditioned extra hard for the role.
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  Like he really wanted to be in it.
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  OK, OK. So.
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  And all the first three screen movies would have already been
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  out by the time he auditioned for this too.
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  So probably should have worn them that, yeah, You're also
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  gonna have to act with Donnie Wahlberg.
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  It's gonna get. Really loud in your.
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  Face little Wahlberg. Hope that's cool.
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  All right, so those are my fun facts.
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  And I guess we're ready to go into how we feel about this
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  movie. So we'll start off with the good
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  Steve, what are the things you like about this movie?
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  I mean off the bat. I mean the movie.
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  Is is a very brisk runtime. I really like how it's like, it
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  doesn't it doesn't go. All right.
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  Well, we got to set the stakes and we got to talk about this
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  for a bit. No, it's like, fuck this.
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  We're right in the first, like opening scene obviously is the
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  dude is just like, hey, you want to get this key to fucking
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  unlock this mask. It's going to destroy you.
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  The front and back of your head. It's behind your eyeball.
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  Awesome. And of course we know he can't
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  hook and do it. And obviously he did.
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  And then I do. Like how?
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  When Donnie Wahlberg gets in there, and then there's the
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  Jigsaw piece and he's just like not believing it and like, OK,
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  who fucking did this? Like, #1 what cop In what
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  precinct would carve that into somebody to make a joke on
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  another fucking cop, right? Like, is that a little?
• 19:59
  A little. Also, OK, we'll get into that
• 20:03
  later anyways, so good thing brisk pace.
• 20:06
  Really liked it. I liked some of the kills
• 20:09
  definitely being. Different or new?
• 20:11
  And I think this kind of sets up for what's to come from the
• 20:14
  series because obviously in the first movie you only have so
• 20:17
  much there. I like the fact that Obie or
• 20:21
  Abby, whatever you want to say, he's part of the game, even
• 20:24
  though he helped set up the game, which again foreshadowing
• 20:28
  to other movies in the series. So like, no one's safe, doesn't
• 20:31
  matter who's who. I The biggest thing I like about
• 20:35
  this movie, in which they kind of just said, Nah was at the
• 20:39
  end, who is Jigsaw, right? You're they're setting it up for
• 20:43
  Amanda, right? Yeah, I want to always say her
• 20:47
  real name for some reason. Anyways, they're setting it up
• 20:48
  for Amanda. Shawnee Smith as a treasure,
• 20:52
  right? That's why you want to say her
• 20:53
  real name, right? You're absolutely right.
• 20:56
  But knowing that she's watching this movie back and knowing that
• 21:00
  she's in on it the whole time, it changes the way the movie
• 21:03
  kind of works. Like she is protecting the kid
• 21:06
  even before she's, you know, the the picture is shown that that's
• 21:10
  his dad. She's also pushing them to go in
• 21:14
  different places or do different things or looking in certain
• 21:17
  areas to make sure people see things.
• 21:18
  Like in the background, there's a couple things she does where
• 21:20
  you're like, all right, it all makes sense.
• 21:23
  She's the one that is making sure this game happens because
• 21:27
  it has to work in a specific way.
• 21:29
  Like there's certain things that need to happen for them to go
• 21:31
  through and do things. Like #1 getting out of the first
• 21:34
  room. I mean, you know how beyond the
• 21:37
  timer that's there to open it? They still need to find things
• 21:40
  and work together. The only thing that didn't make
• 21:42
  sense to me was you would find something over the rainbow.
• 21:45
  What did that come to? I don't know.
• 21:46
  If I So all of the numbers on the back of their head were in
• 21:50
  different colors so you would have had to do it.
• 21:53
  Roy G Biv. Oh Oh my God, I didn't even
• 21:57
  think of that. Cuz you're right.
• 21:59
  I kept thinking, looking at it like they're all in different
• 22:01
  colors. And obviously I was like the
• 22:03
  African American gentleman. It's white Jonas.
• 22:06
  Yes, thank you. It's white cuz you would have to
• 22:09
  be able to see what's on the back of his neck.
• 22:12
  But beyond that, I never really put it together good.
• 22:15
  I'm dumb. Did.
• 22:16
  You put that together yourself? Yeah.
• 22:18
  What the fuck dude? I'm a smart cookie, I don't know
• 22:21
  what to tell you. You didn't marry me just from my
• 22:23
  looks. I am so stupid.
• 22:24
  These movies like go all over my head.
• 22:27
  Also, if there's ever a situation where there's a serial
• 22:31
  killer on the loose and we need to find something out, I'm
• 22:33
  calling you. Or blaming you.
• 22:36
  Oh, no. Yeah.
• 22:37
  You're the one that thinks of these traps, yeah?
• 22:43
  All right, Travis. I think that they found a good
• 22:48
  way to give us Jigsaw exposition in this movie.
• 22:50
  I like the whole thing of him being a part of like a separate
• 22:55
  game with Matthews, And his whole thing is having that like
• 23:00
  sit there and talk to him. And then that is how we get to
• 23:02
  explore Jigsaw, because he's really just telling him his
• 23:06
  whole. Still and like you could maybe
• 23:09
  see this like being forced, but like that is his game.
• 23:12
  It ties into the movie. Well, and what I think is great
• 23:15
  about that is that that's actually Amanda's game.
• 23:18
  Amanda came up with that because she knows that Matthews has an
• 23:21
  anger problem and he will do whatever he can to frame
• 23:24
  something. Because the whole thing is this
• 23:26
  isn't actually jigsaws game, This is Amanda's game.
• 23:30
  She set all of this up, but she knew that Matthews wouldn't be
• 23:33
  able to resist the bait and want to like.
• 23:35
  Beat the shit out of this person that he just want like easy
• 23:39
  target. We're gonna frame you, we're
• 23:40
  gonna pin this all on you. Who gives a shit about the
• 23:42
  evidence? Like it's such a good.
• 23:45
  It's such a good setup. Or it could be.
• 23:47
  I've been working with this man for years now.
• 23:50
  You're like, it's a test for anybody to sit with him for two
• 23:53
  hours while he just, like, tells you about his shit.
• 23:56
  There was one point where they cut back to him talking and he
• 23:58
  was saying something that had nothing to do with anything.
• 24:02
  And I'm like, what? I would be fucking mad too?
• 24:04
  Like, yo, get to the fucking point, bro.
• 24:06
  But again, that's the whole point.
• 24:08
  Yeah, he. I mean, also, Tobin Bell looks
• 24:11
  really old for his age. I think here he's in his 50s,
• 24:14
  but like, he kind of looks like the type of dude.
• 24:17
  He's like the old senile person that just kind of like rambles
• 24:19
  about random shit that you don't care about.
• 24:22
  Oh, you know, he was a pretentious asshole in his 20s
• 24:25
  too, though. Yeah, probably.
• 24:27
  But like, he's that guy that, like, you accidentally run into,
• 24:31
  like at a cocktail party or something.
• 24:33
  And you're like, please get me away from conversation with this
• 24:36
  guy. Yeah, yeah, Wanna be nice.
• 24:38
  Need you to stay there and listen to him for three hours.
• 24:41
  Yeah. And you don't even get your son
• 24:43
  out of the exchange like you're just you just wasted 3 hours
• 24:46
  talking to this guy for no reason.
• 24:47
  Can you imagine though, if he actually won that and like, all
• 24:50
  of a sudden the safe opens and it's like his son's there?
• 24:52
  That would be so fucking awkward.
• 24:54
  Be like, Oh yeah, by the way, I've had your son here this
• 24:56
  whole time that you know what, now that you you said that like,
• 25:00
  OK, So what happens then? He gets arrested, I guess.
• 25:04
  Yeah, I guess. I guess your son's safe this
• 25:06
  whole time. What do you mean he's in a safe?
• 25:08
  Ah fuck yeah. They're so on the nose with like
• 25:12
  the hints that they give like that he's in a safe place.
• 25:15
  The numbers are in the back of your mind and it's like he's
• 25:18
  like very much telling your mind there was on the back of their
• 25:21
  neck. So that's that's not right.
• 25:22
  Yeah. Come on, Amanda should have been
• 25:24
  on the back of their heads. Not, yeah.
• 25:28
  More good. I think that they have a lot
• 25:29
  more fun with the traps in this movie and it's kind of like you.
• 25:32
  We get to see it happen in real time rather than flashbacks.
• 25:35
  I like to see the characters that we're following go through
• 25:39
  this rather than people that we don't follow.
• 25:42
  Like in the first movie. Yeah, I feel like it just gives
• 25:46
  it a little bit more impact. And I think that they did a very
• 25:51
  good followup twist because the original movie had one of the
• 25:54
  best twists and. How you follow that up, That's
• 25:57
  tough. It's a tough task, but I think
• 26:00
  that they actually did a pretty good job with it.
• 26:02
  Yeah, I'm gonna build up on both of your alls points for the
• 26:05
  good. I think that this, this being a
• 26:07
  second setup and it being Amanda's game, I like that we've
• 26:12
  got both Abby, Ian, Amanda are involved in it.
• 26:15
  So Abby was the one that wedding kidnapped people and oh, boom,
• 26:18
  he's he's in the game too. And then Amanda is a part of the
• 26:22
  game. Just the same way that.
• 26:24
  John was in the first one, A. Little bit more involved.
• 26:27
  A little bit, yeah. Definitely a lot more involved.
• 26:29
  But you know, we can't have a seemingly dead body in every
• 26:35
  game. You know what I mean?
• 26:36
  I bet she wasn't expecting to get tossed into that syringe
• 26:39
  fit. Yeah, no, that was like actual
• 26:42
  tear like, Oh my God. Maybe you should have, like,
• 26:44
  vetted the people a bit more, like, OK, let's try and control
• 26:48
  this game. Also, I'm gonna get one of the
• 26:50
  most erratic people. Available in this game too.
• 26:54
  And then what was your last point about the good?
• 26:57
  The twist? Good follow up, Twist.
• 26:59
  No, the one before that. The fun with the traps, how
• 27:03
  we're able to. Follow them.
• 27:05
  Yeah. OK, so how we're actually
• 27:06
  watching everything unfold in real time.
• 27:09
  It does help with the pacing a little bit, cuz the first one's
• 27:12
  a little bit more of like. Not a lot of people have heard
• 27:16
  of Jigsaw at this point, whereas in this one, a few more people
• 27:20
  are more aware of it. So instead of having to do this
• 27:22
  like, detective, we're gonna flash back to our past, figure
• 27:25
  out why we're here. We have people are like, OK,
• 27:28
  we're aware of what Jigsaw is and we're just gonna go through
• 27:30
  the trap. So I think that that makes sense
• 27:32
  from, like, a narrative standpoint, how they decide to
• 27:35
  progress with it. All right, bad.
• 27:39
  Steve, what do you not like about this?
• 27:41
  The world. So off the bat, the thing that I
• 27:43
  hate the most is knowing what comes after this.
• 27:46
  And they don't go with Amanda being Jigsaw.
• 27:49
  That to me is the biggest, like, travesty of coming out of this
• 27:52
  movie. And dude, I had, I completely
• 27:54
  forgotten about it. And I I think that's the the
• 27:57
  point. You watch this movie and you go,
• 27:58
  well, what the fuck? Like, I want that, you know,
• 28:01
  like you watch the third movie and yeah, she's there, but she's
• 28:04
  not the next Jigsaw and she. She's getting her own tests,
• 28:08
  yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:09
  Again. Like, what the fuck?
• 28:10
  I thought she was the next Jigsaw.
• 28:12
  And you, you fade away on on on Jigsaw.
• 28:15
  Jim Cramer. Whatever.
• 28:16
  Jim Cramer? No.
• 28:16
  Jim Cramer, Jim Carrey. Jim Cramer is actually a monster
• 28:22
  truck driver. Bigfoot.
• 28:23
  Anyways, they they show that like the whole end of the movie
• 28:28
  is them pulling back from him in the the van or car, whatever it
• 28:32
  is like dying, you know what I mean?
• 28:33
  Like he's bleeding out. Like he's fucked up to me.
• 28:36
  That's them showing he's done. I think you should leave a Tim
• 28:39
  Robinson ruined that shot for me because all I can think of is
• 28:43
  the this paper make you sit skit where he dies in the car at the
• 28:49
  end. It's like a similar pullback
• 28:51
  shot. But also again, like, why do
• 28:55
  that if you're just going to go to the next movie and be like,
• 28:58
  man, Nah, she's not it. You know what I mean?
• 29:01
  Now I understand why they did it, but I don't.
• 29:03
  I want to see them go with what they're doing.
• 29:06
  The other thing that I. Think OK go for it.
• 29:08
  No, sorry. I've just responded.
• 29:10
  They they that's one of the things about the series.
• 29:12
  They have a terrible follow through with things that are
• 29:15
  like set up like he dies and the 4th or no the next one.
• 29:19
  Yeah, And then, like, they bring him back in every single other
• 29:21
  movie. Also in the fourth, Yeah, right.
• 29:25
  And then if you look at the new one that's coming out.
• 29:28
  Again, if you think he's still there.
• 29:31
  Yeah, well that one is meant to be set between two and three
• 29:33
  though. Or is it between 1:00 and 2:00?
• 29:35
  One and two. Yeah.
• 29:36
  Sorry. Go ahead.
• 29:37
  Whatever. I guess we're gonna find out
• 29:38
  when we watch it. The other thing I really didn't
• 29:40
  like is we missed two traps, you know, like you have the 7th
• 29:45
  heaven. She just dies right in the
• 29:48
  hallway. We don't see her, her trap, and
• 29:51
  then we don't see like, well, so Amanda doesn't have a trap.
• 29:55
  Then I think that the trap Addison dies in is the one
• 29:58
  that's meant for Amanda because she's an Lt. because of the
• 30:01
  cutting. The cutting.
• 30:03
  You're right. Yeah.
• 30:03
  Yeah. So I have a feeling that that
• 30:05
  was her intended trip. We don't see her, hers,
• 30:08
  whatever. We don't see the kids, if there
• 30:10
  was one, for the kid. We don't see one for dramas
• 30:13
  either, right? We don't.
• 30:16
  So that's my thing is like your I wanted to see more and maybe
• 30:19
  they did have it, but they ended up cutting them or something.
• 30:22
  And there's a lot of walking through hallways in this movie.
• 30:24
  Like, how big is that fucking house and how many different
• 30:28
  hallways and different doors They're walking by doors going,
• 30:31
  oh, we can't get in this or we can't.
• 30:32
  There's nothing else. And we found a door here.
• 30:34
  I'm watching you not try to get in all these doors.
• 30:37
  You know me. OK, They could be locked.
• 30:39
  But guess what? That dude has a baseball bat
• 30:40
  with spikes on it or nails he can get through those doors.
• 30:43
  Yeah, I like how he even makes the point, like this is a
• 30:45
  fucking house. It's not Fortress.
• 30:46
  Like I can bust my way through everything and then he proceeds
• 30:49
  to not exactly the the only other thing was the obby scene
• 30:54
  where he's in the furnace and it shows the devil pointing to the
• 30:57
  thing. To say turn it.
• 30:58
  Was that not to say turn it off or turn it up to come, you know
• 31:04
  to see the devil. I thought it's it's the opposite
• 31:07
  what I just said. If he were to grab that and turn
• 31:09
  it off, it would turn off the flames because he is the devil.
• 31:13
  I have a suspicion that he has a phobia of fire because like as
• 31:18
  soon as the fire comes out, like he curls up into a ball in the
• 31:21
  corner and he just becomes like frozen in fear.
• 31:24
  No, I'm gonna argue that that's the right reaction to have in
• 31:27
  that situation. I was thinking to myself last
• 31:30
  night. I'm going to be consumed in this
• 31:32
  flame no matter what. If I just sit here, if I at
• 31:35
  least make an attempt to go for that, I have a chance.
• 31:38
  At least like I'm burning up. I'm going to be burning up
• 31:40
  regardless, so at least like, I can maybe save myself, you know?
• 31:44
  Yeah, but. But until you're in that
• 31:45
  situation, you don't. Exactly.
• 31:47
  Yeah, but but also like you're you're going to die.
• 31:50
  So fuck it. I'm going to do what I need to
• 31:51
  do. I'm turning that goddamn valve.
• 31:53
  What's going to happen? OK.
• 31:55
  I don't have too many bats for this one, but so we said that
• 31:59
  the quick cuts were good. And the last one, I feel like,
• 32:01
  you know how they do the quick cut editing in this right here?
• 32:04
  Before it made sense because people were disoriented and it
• 32:08
  kind of puts you into that headspace with them.
• 32:11
  But this time we get them like right out of the gate when
• 32:14
  Matthews is inspecting the corpse and like it like quick
• 32:19
  cuts all over the jigsaw piece cut out.
• 32:21
  It's like it's just like. What the fuck is up with that?
• 32:25
  We don't have to have this stylistic editing for every shot
• 32:27
  or every scene. I would have loved them to play
• 32:29
  with the editing a little bit more, like in this one where
• 32:32
  they're going through the nerve agents and they're all a little
• 32:34
  bit woozy and whatnot. Like maybe have some of that
• 32:37
  more like hallucinogenic style editing.
• 32:40
  Like Midsummer type stuff where, yeah, waving around a little.
• 32:43
  Bit, yeah. Really, that's the only bad
• 32:45
  thing I had written down. But I agree with Steve's thing
• 32:47
  about because I never really considered that.
• 32:49
  Just not exploring the other traps.
• 32:52
  Like we don't even know what they are.
• 32:53
  I wish I at least knew what they are.
• 32:55
  My problem is we got two shaved headed bubbies and a couple more
• 33:00
  short headed bubbies and none of them saw the numbers on the back
• 33:04
  of the necks. You know what?
• 33:06
  You're right. What?
• 33:07
  The That bothered Why did nobody see Frankie when he was Roid
• 33:10
  raging around and be like, oh yo, you got something on the
• 33:13
  back of your neck? Abbie had a hood on most.
• 33:15
  Of the time. I know Abbie had the hood on,
• 33:17
  but like Frankie G immediately is down to his tank top and he's
• 33:21
  like, look at my muscles, ha ha ha ha.
• 33:24
  Like we should have been able to see that he is that guy.
• 33:27
  So you're not like, there's no part where he's not facing
• 33:30
  everybody beyond the part with Amanda in the needle pit where
• 33:33
  he's trying to open the lock, but they don't show you the back
• 33:36
  of his neck on purpose. But everybody in that fucking
• 33:38
  room would see it. Exactly.
• 33:40
  That's the only thing that really bought.
• 33:41
  Like, they're all sitting around looking for clues.
• 33:44
  And at one point Jonas even makes a comment about, like,
• 33:46
  tattoos. So it's not like they're not
• 33:48
  seeing each other's bodies. Not just not to say it in a
• 33:53
  weird way, but like, if I see that guy and he's been in the
• 33:56
  joint, right, and he's got a tattoo that looks whatever, he's
• 33:59
  the only tattoo I'm seeing with a number on the back of his
• 34:02
  head. Am I not going to be like, well,
• 34:04
  that's just a tattoo. I would think it's maybe a
• 34:07
  tattoo, but right, Nobody else, because I'm not seeing anybody
• 34:11
  else have it. Like Jonas had like a kind of
• 34:13
  high collared shirt on, so you couldn't really see the back of
• 34:15
  his neck. All the women had longer hair,
• 34:18
  even Amanda's hair cause long enough to, you know, blockers
• 34:21
  even if she had one, because we don't even know if she did have
• 34:24
  one. The kid had a high collared
• 34:26
  shirt on as well. So you're not looking for it.
• 34:29
  And again, if I'm in that situation and I don't know it's
• 34:32
  a saw type game like Amanda knows she's in on it.
• 34:36
  But you don't know that that number on the back of that
• 34:39
  dude's head who went to jail that that could be a prison tat
• 34:41
  like, OK, what is he got a nine on the back of his neck, OK, he
• 34:44
  doesn't even show the number. He just rips or cuts it off and
• 34:47
  just flapping in the wind and just pockets that bitch like,
• 34:49
  hey, I'm gonna save this later. Watching that scene, I'm just
• 34:52
  thinking like, what if he missed?
• 34:53
  Like what if he cut? It What if you cut it in half?
• 34:55
  Yes, that was my thought. I was like, it would be so easy
• 34:58
  to just fuck your shit up. What if it's like a six or like
• 35:01
  an 8 or a zero? Like, is it an 8069?
• 35:04
  I don't fucking know. Why is that?
• 35:06
  Pretty pretty low. So he started low.
• 35:09
  Why isn't he cutting everybody else's?
• 35:11
  Is he remembering what numbers they are?
• 35:13
  I. Was thinking about that.
• 35:14
  There's no fucking way. Especially like when he's
• 35:17
  drugged up like that, he's not gonna retain all that
• 35:19
  information. Like.
• 35:21
  And also remembering what color they were.
• 35:22
  That way he can reach it. Roy G Bivitt.
• 35:24
  Yeah, I don't think he was thinking that far ahead.
• 35:27
  He was just gathering numbers and Rain Man in it.
• 35:31
  Because you don't know, he could be the smartest guy there.
• 35:33
  Yeah, sure. OK, ugly.
• 35:40
  Shit, Steve starts off with. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 35:44
  So what's worse than what I just said already?
• 35:47
  Ugly more. It is either like some ugliness
• 35:52
  within the movie itself or how it reflects on society as a
• 35:56
  large, like. I would say that ugly for this
• 35:59
  movie is the very real depiction of police corruption, the
• 36:05
  willingness to beat the subjects, plant evidence.
• 36:08
  And I'm not saying that all cops do that, but I am saying that
• 36:12
  cops have been known to do that. So, you know, we've had very
• 36:16
  real. Examples in the media of cops
• 36:21
  just shooting Willy nilly at people.
• 36:24
  So I I I would say that's kind of the ugly side of this movie,
• 36:28
  is that even though, yeah, we have these supposed bad people,
• 36:32
  like are they that much worse than the people that were are
• 36:35
  supposed to protect and serve, you know, Yeah.
• 36:38
  What I was going to go with the completely opposite with you
• 36:42
  getting real was the way the movie looks.
• 36:45
  It looks super 2000 C. That's.
• 36:48
  Yeah, yeah, 2005 is ugly, yeah. But then also, like, they were
• 36:54
  doing a lot of stuff where they were zooming in on the film that
• 36:57
  was already there. So it looks even grainier and
• 37:00
  crappy because they're doing these weird.
• 37:02
  Like, OK, let's zoom in and then turn it to the side a little
• 37:04
  bit. Or quick cut here, quick cut
• 37:06
  there. And it was like, it's jarring
• 37:08
  looking at it now. Well and.
• 37:10
  When they first showed the surveillance footage and Donnie
• 37:13
  Wahlberg's like, that's my son, I looked at Travis and I was
• 37:16
  like, that could have been you on the surveillance footage and
• 37:18
  I wouldn't recognize you, like that footage is so grainy.
• 37:22
  Yeah. And so indistinct.
• 37:24
  At least it was shot on film, like they could have went
• 37:27
  digital, and digital during this time looks pretty rough.
• 37:31
  What up 28 days later? Also like even with what they
• 37:36
  did that you could tell their their slowing down the footage
• 37:39
  that's already slowed down and it's it's honestly like the
• 37:42
  frame rate of it looks so bad I don't know is not well shot if
• 37:49
  that makes sense or the editing of it is and again it it could
• 37:52
  be a you know the because of the times and what was going on
• 37:55
  around it but it just looked bad watching it and it kind of took
• 37:58
  me out of the movie while I was watching it like if this was the
• 38:01
  first time I ever watched it I'd be like.
• 38:03
  Oof, I don't like this. You know, I kind of agree with
• 38:07
  you. Yeah, like the editing and the
• 38:08
  overall look, it's, yeah, it's not exactly the best
• 38:11
  presentation, but, you know, thankfully it's got like a good
• 38:14
  story. At least save it.
• 38:16
  Yeah. But I mean, see, again, if I'm
• 38:19
  watching this for the first time, it's taking me so much out
• 38:21
  of the story that I'm like, I don't think this works because
• 38:25
  I'm not paying that much attention because I'm being
• 38:29
  distracted by what the movie looks like.
• 38:31
  You know what I mean? Like it would just be me sitting
• 38:33
  there going, what are we watching here while trying to
• 38:36
  pay attention to what's actually happening?
• 38:39
  Yeah, it definitely does kind of make it a little bit more
• 38:41
  difficult. That's I guess this is probably
• 38:43
  better that we watched it on DVD then where the resolution was
• 38:45
  way worse. So what's our absurd?
• 38:48
  I'll watch it on Peacock the the, the cock.
• 38:53
  OK, absurd. What's absurd in this movie for
• 38:56
  you, Steve? Let me think, you guys go first.
• 39:00
  Well. One of my upstairs I had written
• 39:02
  down was Chicksaw having enough material for two hours worth of
• 39:05
  conversation, which we've already kind of gone over.
• 39:07
  He was just kind of he's a windbag babbling.
• 39:10
  I thought that the cough acting was a little ridiculous at
• 39:14
  times. I don't think these people
• 39:15
  really know how to cough. Well, and I even called that out
• 39:19
  at one point. There's Amanda's fake cough.
• 39:22
  She's like, oh shit, I'm supposed to be sick too.
• 39:24
  But like the other people too, yeah, they're they're not really
• 39:27
  selling the cough and too well. I also think it's pretty fucking
• 39:31
  absurd and ridiculous that Amanda was able to find that
• 39:35
  antidote at the bottom of the syringe pit that is a literally
• 39:39
  needle in a haystack right there.
• 39:41
  And she did it, but she knows what she's looking for.
• 39:43
  So essentially, if this is her game, she put that in that.
• 39:46
  Yeah, the keychain was glowy, so she knew she had to look for the
• 39:49
  glowy. Syringe.
• 39:50
  I guess that makes sense. That one right there is
• 39:52
  ridiculous. So like a normal person would
• 39:54
  not have been able to get that. There's no fucking way.
• 39:57
  Especially not no. And especially not Xavier.
• 40:00
  No, definitely not Xavier, no. Definitely a cool ass looking
• 40:03
  scene though when she's sitting there just ripping them back
• 40:06
  behind her and like going through like you're like dude
• 40:08
  this fuck. Yeah, my absurd is.
• 40:11
  When they get Dan to the base and they're like, what the
• 40:13
  fuck's an OB? And he says it's pronounced
• 40:16
  Abby. And then he hits the tape and it
• 40:18
  says hello OB. Dude, no, you said like most of
• 40:22
  this stuff was improvised. I think he improvised it.
• 40:25
  It's Abby. I'm gonna add a new spin to.
• 40:28
  My character Abby. Well, that could also show that
• 40:31
  Jigsaw actually doesn't know him.
• 40:33
  And he's just using a random dude to do his bidding.
• 40:36
  You know what? That could be True.
• 40:37
  Reasonable. It's like, you know what?
• 40:38
  You're a bad. I know you're a bad person cuz
• 40:40
  you helped me do this shit. That's why you belong.
• 40:42
  I know you're a bad person, cuz you clearly haven't watched Star
• 40:45
  Wars. It's OB.
• 40:46
  Yeah, that's right. Okay, ridiculous for me.
• 40:50
  Or wait, what was the? Absurd.
• 40:52
  Absurd. Sorry.
• 40:53
  Absurd. There was a point in the
• 40:55
  beginning where the first tape is talking about the toxin
• 40:59
  that's in the house. And he says something about if
• 41:03
  anybody's seen the Tokyo subway, whatever this will make you, you
• 41:06
  know, you'll understand it. And I'm like, was that a real
• 41:09
  thing that we should have known about?
• 41:10
  Yeah, I meant to. I meant to research if that was
• 41:13
  a real thing. But I just.
• 41:14
  I ran out of time today. And is that not just showing
• 41:18
  that there's been so much that has happened since, that in the
• 41:21
  world, if this is real, that we don't even fucking remember it?
• 41:25
  That's a line of thinking. That's kind of a.
• 41:27
  Bug Here we go. I I found it.
• 41:29
  Tokyo subway attack or Tokyo Subway Sarin attack.
• 41:33
  The Tokyo subway sarin attack was an act of domestic terrorism
• 41:36
  perpetrated by or on 20th of March 1995 by members of the
• 41:41
  cult movement AUM Shinrikyo. So 14 people died and 1050
• 41:50
  people injured. Jesus.
• 41:52
  Yeah. So I guess it's the thing that
• 41:55
  happened 10 years prior. Pretty fucking rough, yeah, I'm
• 41:58
  gonna say. That's kind of messed up to just
• 41:59
  throw that in there, make that an ugly shock it.
• 42:01
  Yeah. All right.
• 42:04
  Scale one to 10. Where are we rating this, Steve?
• 42:10
  So I've thought about this. So I watched it yesterday and
• 42:13
  after the credits were rolling, I was like, did I really enjoy
• 42:17
  this movie like I have? Because I remember this always
• 42:21
  like when people were like, man, the soft franchise.
• 42:23
  What's the best one? It's #2 when they're in the
• 42:25
  house. Like it's it's so much different
• 42:27
  than all the other movies, but yet it's so good.
• 42:29
  I'm going to have to take that back.
• 42:31
  And I feel bad telling people this because this movie wasn't
• 42:34
  as good as I remember it being. I think I would rate the first
• 42:37
  movie better than this, even though, again, I like what it
• 42:40
  did, but then seeing what comes after it kind of like undoes
• 42:44
  some of the stuff in this. So I'm going to go with like 5
• 42:49
  out of 10, honestly. Like I like the movie, but not
• 42:52
  as much as I used to. I mean the fact that while there
• 42:55
  are some cool traps in it, there's really not a lot.
• 42:58
  When you break it down, you have the first one in the beginning,
• 43:00
  which isn't even part of the game.
• 43:01
  Then you have obviously the biggest trap, which is, you
• 43:04
  know, Eric Matthews, you know, Boy Meets World getting trapped
• 43:08
  at the end, which the whole game is about him.
• 43:10
  Which the other ridiculous thing I wanted to say is they're
• 43:12
  having this giant conversation with Jigsaw and they didn't
• 43:15
  notice that it was in a fucking elevator this whole time.
• 43:18
  Yeah, what the fuck. The whole room was an elevator.
• 43:21
  Okay cool. Whatever.
• 43:24
  The other traps we got, we got the one, you know, the wrist
• 43:27
  thing. That was kind of cool, cuz
• 43:28
  again, if you were smart but also not dying from a poison,
• 43:32
  you would probably look at it and be like, okay, my one wrist
• 43:35
  is fucked so I'm not gonna put my other wrist in there, so that
• 43:38
  makes sense to me. Especially cuz she fucked up the
• 43:41
  syringe the the antidote was lost.
• 43:43
  Yeah, also, how are you gonna get that out?
• 43:45
  When she tried to get it out and it just did what it did anyways.
• 43:47
  I think that was a losing game regardless.
• 43:50
  Well, she listened to the tape, so we have no clue.
• 43:52
  Yeah, she just. Tossed the side.
• 43:54
  You're right. And did.
• 43:55
  Did we even see a name on that? I don't think we did.
• 43:58
  I don't think so. Because we saw it from a
• 44:00
  different perspective. Right.
• 44:02
  I do think that would have been Amanda's game.
• 44:04
  And then we get the I don't even know what the whole gun to the
• 44:08
  fucking the back of the door even really means.
• 44:11
  And the guy who gets shot, there's a game for him, right?
• 44:13
  So we didn't get to see that that was his game.
• 44:15
  He lost. Game over.
• 44:21
  So I mean the the thought of the movie is what makes it worse for
• 44:26
  me because we're not getting what the movies promising me at
• 44:29
  the beginning, right when you're in the house with all these
• 44:31
  people. Shit, OK, we're seeing game
• 44:33
  after game for these people, but we don't we don't see them.
• 44:36
  Five out of 10/5 out of 10. OK, I think I I'm still pretty
• 44:41
  high on this one. I'm not as high on it as the
• 44:44
  first one. I think the first one is the
• 44:46
  best in the series. But I would say that this one's
• 44:50
  a pretty solid eight. It still has some of the like
• 44:55
  the police procedural type stuff going on in this movie that the
• 44:58
  first one had. Meanwhile, it's building up on
• 45:01
  the whole trap situation, which becomes like the major focus of
• 45:06
  the series. So we're not at the absurd point
• 45:09
  yet where it's just like all traps and like, how the fuck
• 45:11
  does this even happen? Like, it's still somewhat
• 45:13
  grounded a little bit in this one, which I appreciate.
• 45:17
  Yeah, I don't know. It feels about right.
• 45:19
  OK. I'm gonna give it a 7 1/2, OK?
• 45:22
  Because I do think to me, honestly, this just, it feels
• 45:27
  like a pretty solid sequel. But it also still feels like a
• 45:32
  franchise working on finding its footing at the same time.
• 45:36
  But I also, I have such a sentimental place for this
• 45:39
  because we rented this at the only pool party birthday I ever
• 45:43
  got to have. Because I'm a January birthday
• 45:46
  and I was always bummed out. I never got to have a pool
• 45:48
  party. And then the Holiday Inn
• 45:50
  renovated and they had they built an indoor pool.
• 45:53
  So my mom rented a couple rooms for me and my friends, and she
• 45:57
  did Payperview for Saw too. In one of the rooms.
• 46:00
  And then I want to say it was like just like heaven or when
• 46:04
  John Heater maybe. I think something like that.
• 46:07
  That was in the second movie for my little sister and also my one
• 46:10
  friend who couldn't watch horror movies.
• 46:12
  So they watched that movie in one room and the rest of us just
• 46:15
  saw two in the other room. The hell yeah.
• 46:17
  Kind of cool. You had different viewing
• 46:19
  parties and different rooms, yeah.
• 46:21
  You know what props you mom? Yeah, I was.
• 46:23
  That was awesome, honestly, because I always felt like I
• 46:26
  missed out not getting to do a pool party.
• 46:28
  So that's cool. Yeah.
• 46:29
  So I have like a very nostalgic place.
• 46:32
  And then after this, we started watching them all in theaters
• 46:34
  together. Me and my mom did.
• 46:35
  So dope. OK, so do you have our average
• 46:40
  figured at this point? Yes, 5/8 and seven and a half.
• 46:43
  6.83 OK, that feels like an IMDb rating for this.
• 46:48
  Yeah, we're slightly higher. It's a 6.6 on IMDb.
• 46:52
  OK, so so almost. We're in the pocket there.
• 46:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, cool.
• 46:56
  All right, let's get this one kicked off then.
• 46:58
  All right, it starts off with a man named Michael who wakes up
• 47:02
  with a death mask around his neck and a bloody eyeball.
• 47:06
  Bloody eyeball. What's up, Nicole Fox?
• 47:09
  He is there because he's an informant.
• 47:13
  He spies on people. He rats on him.
• 47:17
  So he has to get the key out from the back of his eyeball in
• 47:22
  60 seconds. I like the name they actually
• 47:24
  named this trap. It's called the Death mask.
• 47:27
  It's. I thought it was the Venus
• 47:28
  flytrap, he says. It's like a Venus flytrap, but
• 47:31
  he, like, refers to a couple of times as death mask.
• 47:33
  OK, I think that this is like his like favorite like pet
• 47:36
  project. It's like by the way you have to
• 47:37
  include death mask. Well, I feel like people refer
• 47:40
  to it as the Venus flytrap when they talk about traps, do they?
• 47:43
  Yeah. I'm gonna call it death mask.
• 47:45
  OK, Death Mask vs Fletcher. I also want to know why my man
• 47:48
  has to be in his boxer briefs like you.
• 47:51
  Know what was the purpose of stripping him down?
• 47:54
  He didn't need to be Gord. Gratuitous nudity to the plot.
• 47:57
  Yeah, yeah, more hostile type shit, right?
• 48:02
  Anyway, he can't. He can't cut his eye open.
• 48:05
  Who could? Yeah, exactly.
• 48:07
  I don't think I could do this one.
• 48:08
  That's like life or death threat there.
• 48:10
  Like I'm talking about the fire. I could do that one maybe.
• 48:13
  But this one right here I know I can't do this one it.
• 48:15
  Is an instantaneous death. It's not, like, gonna be slow in
• 48:18
  agonizing. True.
• 48:19
  Yeah. I mean.
• 48:21
  I don't know about that, depending on how deep those
• 48:23
  spikes go into your face. I mean, yeah, they're probably
• 48:26
  going in the the front, in the back, but I don't think you're
• 48:29
  dying immediately. I guess it does depend on the
• 48:31
  length of the spike. Those are some pretty decently
• 48:34
  sized spikes. Yeah, I think feeling it for at
• 48:37
  least. 10 to 15 seconds, and then you're bleeding out.
• 48:42
  You might be brains at that point.
• 48:44
  You might be overwhelmed with pain where you just kind of,
• 48:46
  like, go into shock. There's so many spikes there.
• 48:48
  I think that the brain is just gonna kind of haywire real
• 48:51
  quickly, like you're gonna be hitting all the neurons and
• 48:54
  whatnot in there. It's just gonna be like, all
• 48:56
  right, we're done. There is one thing for sure
• 48:58
  though. You're gonna die.
• 48:59
  It's death. Mass We need to get the old myth
• 49:01
  Busters back out. And dude, I would love to see
• 49:05
  that. Like, did they ever do anything
• 49:07
  like that? I know that they did movie shit,
• 49:08
  but did they ever like test saw traps?
• 49:11
  No, I know they did like zombie stuff where they were like, hey,
• 49:14
  if there's like a horde of zombies, how long can you last?
• 49:16
  Or is it reasonable to have an axe versus a gun or a, you know,
• 49:20
  a sword versus a gun and stuff like that, 'cause of reload?
• 49:23
  I don't think they ever did anything beyond maybe Jaws and
• 49:26
  stuff like that with horror movies.
• 49:28
  They need to reboot that for the next movie coming out soon, OK?
• 49:32
  OK. So then we cut to Detective
• 49:35
  Matthews. He's getting his son out of a
• 49:37
  security office, and he's kind of kind of yelling at him as
• 49:42
  they walk home along the boardwalk.
• 49:43
  What a nice hotel for this. Yeah, well.
• 49:47
  Honestly, it could be a lot worse in this scenario.
• 49:50
  Daniel's being a little angsty. Shit, you guys have shoplifting
• 49:53
  and you know, I think he has the right to be mad here.
• 49:56
  But like, he does that one thing here where, like Daniel's, like,
• 50:01
  I should probably just go see mom.
• 50:02
  And I think that he's like saying it like, you know, not
• 50:04
  really meaning it. He think he's just trying to get
• 50:06
  a reaction of his dad. But I don't think he expected
• 50:09
  the full force of a Wahlberg to get in his face.
• 50:11
  But fucking go, go and fucking dare you too.
• 50:15
  Fuck out of here. We're going to make a wall.
• 50:17
  Burgers, you're not invited. I I legitimately believe that
• 50:21
  the actor is like Jesus, OK? Like was like for real there in
• 50:25
  that scene. Maybe he originally was supposed
• 50:28
  to be found by Donnie. At the end.
• 50:29
  He's like, I don't want to shoot with him again.
• 50:31
  That might have been him doing his 5% of ad over here.
• 50:34
  He's like, Oh my God, that wasn't in the script.
• 50:37
  Yeah, so. We didn't actually get to see
• 50:40
  the mother, do we? No, no, it's Amanda.
• 50:44
  Ooh. Yeah, so he's.
• 50:46
  Immediately remorseful of the situation and blowing up
• 50:49
  Daniel's phone trying to get him to answer.
• 50:52
  Like, no wonder your son's A delinquent.
• 50:54
  If this is how you handle conflict with him.
• 50:56
  Yeah, like he obviously hates authority because you're a cop
• 50:59
  and you're like a big piece of shit.
• 51:01
  Yeah. So he's trying to call Daniel.
• 51:03
  Daniel's not answering his phone and eventually he does get a
• 51:07
  call back and immediately assumes it's Daniel because it's
• 51:09
  2005 and caller ID isn't necessarily the norm yet.
• 51:14
  But he he is asked to report to a crime scene.
• 51:18
  Detective Kerry wants him there to help ID because they believe
• 51:21
  it's the informant that he uses. But the actual truth is that he
• 51:26
  was called there because there's a note for him on the ceiling
• 51:28
  that says look closer, Detective Matthews.
• 51:31
  And this is such a weird dynamic between Kerry and Matthews.
• 51:37
  I feel like he gets romanticized in later movies.
• 51:39
  The dynamic between Kerry Matthews and Rigg in later
• 51:44
  movies, it's like, man, I care so much about these people, but
• 51:47
  in this movie, they all just seem to kind of fucking hate
• 51:49
  each other. Yeah, yeah, they do.
• 51:51
  Yeah. There's not really much
• 51:52
  chemistry between them there. Do they really ever talk about?
• 51:55
  Eric Matthews that much ever again beyond the third movie.
• 51:59
  He's in the fourth one. No, that's Riggs whole driving
• 52:01
  force in the fourth one is that he is told he could save
• 52:04
  Detective Matthews. Oh, oh, OK.
• 52:06
  He's kind of a major factor in that one, but still he's like.
• 52:09
  Cool, right? Yeah, Yeah.
• 52:11
  And he's like going around like. He's like, see what I see, feel
• 52:16
  what I feel? Save as I save, yeah.
• 52:18
  And then he ends up getting gets his head crushed by the guys.
• 52:22
  Mmhmm. Yeah.
• 52:25
  Yeah, so Matthews is pissed that she, like, pulled that trick on
• 52:30
  him. We find out that they used to be
• 52:32
  partners, but he's stuck on desk work because he's gotten in a
• 52:36
  bit of a trouble with internal affairs.
• 52:39
  We bit. That's going to be important
• 52:41
  later once we learned that he's been planting evidence and
• 52:45
  beating up suspects, yeah, but then like it shows him later at
• 52:49
  night and he's having a dream. And somehow he manages to dream
• 52:54
  that there was a clue in the crime scene, which I think this
• 52:59
  is fucking weird, that he was able to pick up on that detail
• 53:03
  from a photograph from his dream.
• 53:05
  No. Like dreams are.
• 53:09
  Honestly, it's a part of a way of our brain processing what
• 53:11
  happened throughout the day. You think so?
• 53:13
  You think you would be able to, like, pick up on a clue?
• 53:15
  It's just his brain is like resetting and processing things
• 53:19
  that went through. Like it's not necessarily like
• 53:21
  the dream is telling you the clues that you wake up, you've.
• 53:24
  Your brain has been kind of mulling over.
• 53:25
  It sounds like a smart dream. I have dumb dreams.
• 53:28
  Just a bunch of stupid shit happening.
• 53:31
  I get chased by people all the. Time.
• 53:35
  It's. I mean, it's not an unreasonable
• 53:37
  thing to have happen. Okay.
• 53:39
  Fair enough. Okay.
• 53:40
  Yeah, I've woken up from a dream and I'm like, shit, that's what
• 53:42
  that meant. Or I need to do this.
• 53:44
  Or damn it, that's what that thing was sitting somewhere.
• 53:48
  So I get it. Yeah, especially like work
• 53:50
  related stuff. I've had plenty of work related
• 53:52
  dreams and then I go in and I'm like ohh Yep this is the thing I
• 53:54
  needed to fix. Like, wow, I.
• 53:56
  Figure it out in my dreams. So we see SWAT going into this
• 54:03
  house or building or whatever, and Matthews decides that he's
• 54:06
  gonna join in because of his dream clue.
• 54:09
  Then we have this, the one of the probably most upsetting
• 54:13
  traps in the whole Saw franchise, which is the team
• 54:17
  going upstairs and. Uh, like a board shoots out and
• 54:23
  breaks this dude's legs, pushes them down the stairs and pushes
• 54:27
  the other SWAT team members into this cage that electrocutes
• 54:30
  them. Is that what that was?
• 54:32
  Yeah. OK.
• 54:32
  I wasn't sure. It looked like like middle, like
• 54:34
  many explosions happening in there.
• 54:36
  I wasn't sure if it's like flash bangs or what was happening.
• 54:39
  No, it was it was electrocution. Yeah, there's a pretty, I love
• 54:43
  that setup, though, where the puppet, just like Billy, just
• 54:47
  rolls up at the top of the stairs there.
• 54:49
  It's so creepy. None of the detectives in this
• 54:52
  franchise ever learned to back the fuck up whenever Billy the
• 54:55
  puppets in the room. Yeah, everybody just fucking
• 54:57
  duck. Like hit the ground.
• 54:59
  Yeah, every single time. We're going to see it again and
• 55:02
  again throughout. Yeah, they do eventually get to
• 55:05
  Jigsaw where he is holed up in one of the rooms.
• 55:08
  He is hooked up to a bunch of Iv's.
• 55:10
  They're going to cough and arrest him, but then he's like,
• 55:12
  I can't leave because Detective Matthews has a problem he has to
• 55:16
  handle before we can go anywhere.
• 55:19
  And he kind of directs them over to this setup.
• 55:22
  There's a blanket over some stuff.
• 55:24
  When they remove the blanket, they see a bunch of screens with
• 55:28
  surveillance footage of a house with a bunch of people,
• 55:31
  including Daniel Matthews. He says there's a gas in their
• 55:36
  nerve system. That will kill them in two hours
• 55:39
  unless they can both complete their games, and John says don't
• 55:43
  worry, he's in a safe place and then he Snickers and winks.
• 55:48
  Yes, there will be blood. Does he?
• 55:51
  Actually snicker and wink when he says that.
• 55:53
  No, he does. He he he smiles.
• 55:56
  I'm editorializing. He's got a nice, he's got a
• 55:59
  pretty charming smile, honestly. He's in a safe space.
• 56:03
  Looking at the safe, looking back at him, looking back at the
• 56:06
  safe. I don't mean a safe shit.
• 56:08
  Can you imagine, like him actually just laying out there
• 56:11
  in front of them like he's in a safe place and like, nobody's
• 56:15
  just picking up on it this? Guy's broken.
• 56:17
  Weird. Well, and then there, here's
• 56:20
  like this creepy thing because Detective Matthews decides he's
• 56:22
  gonna try and call Daniel and it goes straight to voicemail and
• 56:25
  it's Jigsaw's voicing. Daniel can't come to the phone.
• 56:28
  Can you imagine being Daniel's mom?
• 56:30
  Because she has to be trying to get a hold of him too.
• 56:33
  You know what? Holy shit.
• 56:34
  That's gotta be really creepy. Yeah, like if they've like
• 56:37
  played these tapes, like on the news, like this is the voice of
• 56:41
  Jigsaw that we found on the scene.
• 56:42
  And then you hear that whenever you are calling your son.
• 56:45
  Who? Would be a little fucking
• 56:46
  freaky, yeah, yeah, But we don't know because we don't even.
• 56:48
  Nobody has a mom. That's true.
• 56:50
  Maybe he. Has a mom.
• 56:51
  The mom has primary custody. Maybe that's why Donnie Wahlberg
• 56:55
  dared. I'm gonna go earlier.
• 56:56
  So, yeah, go find one. Yeah.
• 56:58
  Give me a. Have a mom.
• 57:00
  OK, so in the game, people are kind of wandering around this
• 57:05
  room. Most of them have woken up, but
• 57:07
  there's one that's still asleep and they're like, don't worry,
• 57:09
  she's breathing. They're all strangers and they
• 57:12
  haven't been able to find a way out through any of the doors in
• 57:15
  the room and start hearing like a ticking through the door and
• 57:18
  they all put their ears up to it and they can't figure it out.
• 57:21
  And then that's when Amanda wakes up and she starts going
• 57:23
  into a panic and starts tearing everything in the real part.
• 57:28
  And then she manages to pull apart some bricks and finds a
• 57:31
  tape in there. Yeah, so the tape says that they
• 57:35
  all have more in common than they think.
• 57:37
  The nerve agent will kill them in two hours.
• 57:40
  I wrote Years. Wow, I was really optimistic.
• 57:44
  For them. But the doors to the house will
• 57:47
  open in three hours, so they have to find a way to stay
• 57:50
  alive. You stay alive with the
• 57:52
  antidote, and there's different ways to get the antidotes
• 57:55
  throughout the house. I'm curious how an anecdote can
• 57:58
  save you from breathing in toxic gas.
• 58:00
  I feel like maybe a gas mask would have been, you know?
• 58:03
  Better, Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:04
  I mean, I don't know. And they said that in addition
• 58:08
  to having something in common. The key to finding the antidote
• 58:12
  is all in the back of their mind and the order will be over.
• 58:15
  The rain though they find a key and the note on it says do not
• 58:19
  use this to go through the door. And I was like, we should
• 58:22
  probably use this and she goes don't do it.
• 58:23
  You need to follow the rules. And they're like, whatever, I'm
• 58:27
  gonna go over here and I'm gonna put my eye out to this keyhole
• 58:30
  while I unlock the door, because I've clearly never unlocked a
• 58:33
  door in my life. Yeah, who the fuck does that?
• 58:36
  That is weird. How people it's looking the
• 58:38
  other way, is it not? Looking in, yeah, not out of.
• 58:43
  I mean, it could be Kramer's reverse people, I guess.
• 58:48
  This definitely has to be that guy's test.
• 58:51
  So it's like this guy always looks through people is when he
• 58:53
  opens. Through Well, this is also the
• 58:54
  same guy when they're like, have you ever been drunk before?
• 58:56
  He goes, yeah, I've been drunk. I did three years in college.
• 58:59
  John Kramer. Mr. PhD in Engineering is like
• 59:03
  your sin is that you don't have a college education.
• 59:06
  Dumb, dumb idiot. Let's see.
• 59:08
  Yeah, let's see if you are smart enough to not look through a
• 59:11
  people while you open the door. Probably not.
• 59:14
  Yeah. Well, and played it right
• 59:17
  because he was right cuz yeah, yeah, what does this fucking
• 59:20
  brains out, Then they wait a little bit longer and the door
• 59:23
  opens on its own. Yep, Yep.
• 59:26
  Jake Saw said that he'll talk to Detective Matthews, but
• 59:28
  Detective Matthews only. Everybody else needs to back up.
• 59:32
  Kerry and Rigg are bickering about what the right call is and
• 59:36
  Kerry is like, well, you know, this has been my case for a
• 59:38
  while and I I want to follow through on this the way that
• 59:42
  makes the most sense given what we know about him.
• 59:45
  She says that Detective Matthews lost his son one time before
• 59:49
  when they got involved together, so that's presumably the cause
• 59:52
  for the divorce was they had an affair.
• 59:55
  She's like, so. Not gonna let you lose your son
• 59:58
  again. Just humor John.
• 1:00:00
  He wants to be heard. That's kind of his whole thing.
• 1:00:03
  Just humor him. Yeah, so back at the house,
• 1:00:07
  everybody has kind of split up temporarily to look around.
• 1:00:10
  This would be a fun video game. I bet it would.
• 1:00:13
  This house and like, you just have a bunch of puzzles and
• 1:00:15
  traps you have to solve. I mean, you're kind of
• 1:00:18
  describing breakout games here. This is basically a breakout
• 1:00:22
  game without the, you know, no deaths in a breakout game, but
• 1:00:27
  you know, same concept. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I just, I
• 1:00:31
  don't know, like in the breakout games, like we had those the the
• 1:00:35
  fake manacles on and they're like you could just take it off
• 1:00:37
  and we're like, you know. We didn't even do the full
• 1:00:40
  puzzle with it. It would be really cool to do a
• 1:00:43
  breakout game that is, saw them where you have like your own
• 1:00:47
  trap designed for you, but you know you just don't die like
• 1:00:53
  you're able to survive it. Really expensive and invasive.
• 1:00:57
  What's the fun of that? I don't know.
• 1:00:58
  I guess you could either win like $100 million or you die.
• 1:01:01
  I. Mean.
• 1:01:04
  I'm pretty sure there are movies like that as well.
• 1:01:06
  Let's write it. Let's make a game.
• 1:01:08
  Make it happen. You.
• 1:01:09
  Called the game. The game.
• 1:01:12
  There's a movie called The Game. That's the whole point of that.
• 1:01:14
  Matthews is talking to Jigsaw, but he has like his radio under
• 1:01:19
  like, not very sneakily underneath his chair at all.
• 1:01:22
  Jigsaw is basically taunting him about like his past and
• 1:01:25
  discretions at work. And then he's like, can you get
• 1:01:29
  me some water? Which just feels like the power
• 1:01:33
  move. It is a little bit, but also you
• 1:01:35
  kind of have to like if I grab that water, is it gonna explode
• 1:01:38
  in my face? So, like, what's gonna happen
• 1:01:39
  here? Inside the house, we discover
• 1:01:43
  there's a metal grate over the front door, so Xavier beating it
• 1:01:47
  with the bat isn't really helping.
• 1:01:49
  They're all bickering a little bit when Jonas realizes that at
• 1:01:53
  least a couple of them have in common that they've done some
• 1:01:56
  time in prison. Then they find a door to the
• 1:02:00
  basement. In the basement there's a
• 1:02:02
  mannequin with Obby's nave on it, and the tape says that he's
• 1:02:05
  burned to others with his lies and cons.
• 1:02:08
  And he can get two antidotes if he goes into this furnace.
• 1:02:12
  One is yours to give to whoever you choose, and the other is for
• 1:02:17
  you, for helping me kidnap everybody else.
• 1:02:20
  Just putting it out there in. Front of you?
• 1:02:22
  Yeah. And everybody's like, what the
• 1:02:25
  fuck? Well, you know how we got in
• 1:02:27
  here, You know how to get us out.
• 1:02:28
  And he's like, I truthfully didn't think I was going to be
• 1:02:30
  in here too. So no, I don't know how to get
• 1:02:32
  out. And they basically bully him
• 1:02:35
  into the furnace. And it doesn't end well.
• 1:02:40
  We get I'll be well done. This is a This one's cool.
• 1:02:45
  It's terrible if you're claustrophobic.
• 1:02:47
  It's terrible if you're afraid of fire.
• 1:02:50
  It's just a terrible trap. This one right here is
• 1:02:52
  miserable. There's no part of me that would
• 1:02:55
  want to do this trap. Absolutely not.
• 1:02:58
  Well, I like the whole idea though is that he doesn't need
• 1:03:01
  to get the 2nd syringe if he just got the one for himself.
• 1:03:06
  He's fine. Yeah, until the other people
• 1:03:08
  kill him for both not getting the 2nd syringe and for getting
• 1:03:13
  him getting them trapped there in the 1st place, I would just
• 1:03:16
  be like, hey, I got mine. If you guys want yours, go in
• 1:03:18
  there and get it. Right.
• 1:03:19
  And that's the whole point is, yeah, like people are going to
• 1:03:22
  fucking kill this guy. Or like, it's just human nature,
• 1:03:24
  right? Like, yo, you could either help
• 1:03:26
  everybody or get it for yourself.
• 1:03:28
  The thing too is though, I mean, I'm looking at it as I know this
• 1:03:32
  is a trap, but the one that. Is not on a chain.
• 1:03:37
  Is easy to grab the one that's on a chain, he's pulling the
• 1:03:40
  chain with it. You know, like maybe look at it
• 1:03:42
  a little bit better and be like, oh, maybe I should take it off
• 1:03:45
  the chain so it doesn't shut the door.
• 1:03:48
  Or maybe like so it's easy to like pick this thing apart and
• 1:03:52
  knowing what happens. So maybe somebody like stand in
• 1:03:53
  front of the door that way, like it doesn't shut.
• 1:03:55
  On I thought about that and the way it like, slams shut and the
• 1:03:59
  fact that it's a furnace makes me think that they would just
• 1:04:01
  end up getting hurt in the process, trying to keep it open
• 1:04:04
  possibly, but yeah. Probably.
• 1:04:07
  Anyway, when he dies, the needles are still in the furnace
• 1:04:10
  and they get burnt up too, so nobody gets an antidote.
• 1:04:12
  Did anybody get an antidote throughout this whole movie?
• 1:04:15
  I don't think so. No.
• 1:04:17
  Oh yeah, I mean at the movie that everybody's coughing and
• 1:04:20
  throwing up blood, but yet Amanda and Nathaniel, whatever,
• 1:04:25
  are fine until the end, though he does cough up blood at the
• 1:04:28
  end. No, I think.
• 1:04:30
  I think Daniel is actually being affected by the nerve agent.
• 1:04:35
  Amanda's definitely not. She's making her coughs.
• 1:04:38
  She is way less pale than the rest of them.
• 1:04:41
  Like the only time her eyes are as red as theirs is after the
• 1:04:44
  needle pit because she was crying.
• 1:04:48
  Also has like a red rash around his his neck and then around his
• 1:04:53
  nose too is all red as well. So yeah, he's obviously being
• 1:04:56
  affected, but maybe maybe they gave him a little bit of the
• 1:04:59
  antidote so he's not going to die at all because that's the
• 1:05:02
  whole point of the game is he has to survive this to be in
• 1:05:05
  safe at the end. So what happens when that big
• 1:05:07
  dude just happens to stab him? Does does jigsaws plans go away?
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, probably. The whole thing pretty much
• 1:05:13
  falls apart, yeah? Yeah, that's the only, the only.
• 1:05:16
  The only big qualm I have about some of these movies is
• 1:05:19
  everything has to fall into place exactly the way he plans
• 1:05:22
  it. And there's no backup plan, but
• 1:05:25
  everything always goes the way it's designed, yeah.
• 1:05:29
  Jigsaw tells Matthews that he needs to follow the rules, which
• 1:05:32
  is just to sit there and talk. He asked about a cure for cancer
• 1:05:35
  and then he insists that he's not a murderer because he's
• 1:05:38
  never actually murdered anybody. And then he's like, why do you
• 1:05:43
  care about saving your son? Is it because the knowledge of
• 1:05:47
  death changes things? You know, he talks about after
• 1:05:50
  he learned that he was dying of cancer, he drove his car off a
• 1:05:55
  Cliff. And then when he survived that,
• 1:05:57
  it completely changed his. Outlook on things.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah. So I almost murdered myself.
• 1:06:03
  So now I'm gonna go murder everybody because I.
• 1:06:07
  I get the analogy they're trying to go with, right?
• 1:06:09
  That cancer is eating his body and he's gonna die anyways.
• 1:06:12
  But yet driving off a Cliff and surviving a car crash with a
• 1:06:16
  fucking thing through my gut, my body's fine and can survive
• 1:06:19
  through it. So because of that, obviously
• 1:06:21
  now I'm gonna be a mass murderer who makes people try to do the
• 1:06:25
  same thing, But totally not a murderer.
• 1:06:27
  Totally. Right.
• 1:06:27
  Totally not. Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  Do you think because he's got brain cancer, do you think maybe
• 1:06:35
  he was just like, a totally mellow dude before the tumor?
• 1:06:40
  And it's one of those cases, like a Phineas Gage situation,
• 1:06:44
  where, like, the tumor has just messed with his brain so much
• 1:06:47
  and he's like, I'm gonna be a murderer now?
• 1:06:50
  Yeah. I've never thought about that.
• 1:06:51
  There's things where like people have.
• 1:06:54
  Like an aneurysm or something. And they survive and they can
• 1:06:57
  speak German or some shit. Yeah, that's happening.
• 1:06:59
  So I mean, I kind of like that where he was normal dude, super
• 1:07:03
  smart. And then that tumor maybe moved
• 1:07:06
  something in his brain. So now he's just like, you know
• 1:07:08
  what? Fuck people.
• 1:07:10
  Well, that's how some people discover.
• 1:07:13
  Discover brain tumors is because they have a sudden, drastic
• 1:07:16
  personality change. OK.
• 1:07:18
  OK. And so they go in for testing
• 1:07:19
  and discover there's like a tumor like pressing in on
• 1:07:22
  different parts of the brain that affect, you know,
• 1:07:24
  personality, cognition and all of that.
• 1:07:26
  But there is something there to that though.
• 1:07:29
  I like it. Smart.
• 1:07:30
  Yeah. Smart.
• 1:07:30
  I. Don't know how many times I'm
• 1:07:31
  gonna have to remind you today, but I'm smart.
• 1:07:34
  So in the house, Laura's not doing well and Daniel's doing
• 1:07:37
  his best to help her, you know, keep her spirits high.
• 1:07:42
  He asked Amanda about surviving her first trap.
• 1:07:46
  And, you know, it's kind of like, why are you back here?
• 1:07:49
  Why are you being tested again if you survived?
• 1:07:51
  And she's like, well, I started, you know, I survived my first
• 1:07:54
  Test, which is when I was dealing with addiction.
• 1:07:57
  But then I started cutting after I was arrested for possession.
• 1:08:00
  He's like, but I thought you said you weren't addicted.
• 1:08:02
  She goes, yeah, we'll talk, talk to the cop that arrested me,
• 1:08:05
  kind of implying that it was a bullshit charge.
• 1:08:11
  So the others have found a door and come to get those 3, and
• 1:08:15
  when they get to the door, it's kind of it's not locked, but
• 1:08:19
  it's kind of stuck and Xavier has to force it open and when he
• 1:08:23
  does, a 3 minute timer starts. The tape is for Xavier saying
• 1:08:28
  that as a drug dealer he gives people hope and then forces them
• 1:08:32
  into a pit of squalor. So he is going to do the same is
• 1:08:35
  going to happen to him. And because Xavier is a buff big
• 1:08:40
  baby, he throws Amanda into the pit instead, which I feel like
• 1:08:46
  is really fucked up because of his whole test is about how he
• 1:08:49
  basically preys on people with addiction issues and then he
• 1:08:53
  takes. The person with addiction
• 1:08:55
  issues, and those are into a bit of needles.
• 1:08:58
  That's extra fucked up, right? Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Like she just said, she survived one before.
• 1:09:03
  So whatever. Go.
• 1:09:04
  You can survive another way. You got this.
• 1:09:07
  So I think it's more of like she can handle it cuz she has been
• 1:09:10
  addicted. So get in there with all the
• 1:09:12
  needles. Also, there is a movie flub in
• 1:09:14
  this scene when they first get to the.
• 1:09:18
  The room and it says there's 3 minutes left.
• 1:09:19
  It shows the ticking timer on the door.
• 1:09:22
  Then it shows him like kind of messing with the door on the
• 1:09:25
  door. The timer says like 18 seconds.
• 1:09:27
  It wasn't paying attention to that.
• 1:09:30
  So she does. She does the thing.
• 1:09:33
  She ends up just powering through.
• 1:09:35
  She gets the key. She saves the day.
• 1:09:38
  Xavier fucks up. He drops the key, and then he
• 1:09:41
  blames her for it. It's.
• 1:09:44
  Not this guy. It's bullshit, though, that the
• 1:09:46
  antidote isn't at the bottom of that.
• 1:09:47
  I think if you dig and successfully get that at the
• 1:09:50
  bottom of all the syringes, you win.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah, you should fucking win. I'm not using a needle that's
• 1:09:55
  been in that fit with those other needles.
• 1:09:57
  If it's the only antidote that you can get, fuck yeah, you are.
• 1:10:01
  I use a cap on the needle, cap on the yeah, there we go.
• 1:10:05
  Or it's in its own little capsule.
• 1:10:07
  OK, so now this is around the time where they all realize that
• 1:10:11
  they've been to jail, because everybody's been talking about
• 1:10:13
  jail shit this entire time, but it's finally clicking for
• 1:10:15
  everybody now. Yeah, and they're like, haha,
• 1:10:17
  here's our common ground. And they're like you kid.
• 1:10:19
  You got juvie written all over you.
• 1:10:21
  And he goes, no, my dad's a hard ass.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah, my dad's a Wahlberg. I can't.
• 1:10:29
  Say, how do you remember from? This so they.
• 1:10:33
  They all just kind of split. Xavier decides that he's gonna
• 1:10:36
  split off because everybody else is holding him down.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah, this motherfucker dropped the goddamn key and just blame
• 1:10:43
  everybody else. I hate this guy.
• 1:10:45
  Yep, it sucks. They have called in the tech
• 1:10:49
  team to find where the video footage is coming from.
• 1:10:53
  Kerry suggests that Matthew. Threatened to destroy some of
• 1:10:58
  his work, some of Jigsaw's work, because that's kind of his whole
• 1:11:02
  deal, is that he's proud of it. Wants people to know what he's
• 1:11:05
  doing. But John is like, yeah, that's
• 1:11:08
  fine, Go ahead. Keep ripping stuff up.
• 1:11:10
  What are you gonna what evidence are you gonna use to convict me
• 1:11:13
  if you destroy all of this? And Matthew goes, I don't need
• 1:11:15
  it. So I'll play pretty bald right
• 1:11:18
  there. Draw on my own.
• 1:11:20
  It's like the worst plan. It goes.
• 1:11:24
  Because I need to show you something.
• 1:11:26
  How about you have the detectives that are listening in
• 1:11:28
  on your walk under there not smooth.
• 1:11:33
  Tell them to check this drawer in the brown desk where they're
• 1:11:36
  at. And in that drawer are the files
• 1:11:39
  for all the other people in the house with Daniel.
• 1:11:43
  And they're all people that Matthew's arrested with planted
• 1:11:48
  evidence. So the stakes just got even
• 1:11:52
  higher. Is he the only one who knows
• 1:11:55
  that he planted the evidence? Or does his friends in the cop
• 1:11:57
  shop also know he planted evidence?
• 1:12:00
  I bet they considering IA is breathing down his neck and he's
• 1:12:03
  been saddled with desk work and isn't partners with Kerry
• 1:12:06
  anymore. I'm gonna say that at the very
• 1:12:08
  least, there's rumors, but I I feel like they probably know.
• 1:12:15
  Probably. You're right in the house,
• 1:12:18
  Xavier figures out that there's numbers.
• 1:12:21
  On their necks. When he looks at like one of the
• 1:12:24
  bodies on the floor, Jonas comes in and confronts him and he's
• 1:12:27
  like, I know everybody else is scared of you, but I'm not
• 1:12:30
  scared of you. I got people on the outside that
• 1:12:32
  I'm trying to protect, and if I die in here, they're going to go
• 1:12:34
  from a family. So they fight a little bit and
• 1:12:37
  Xavier ends up winning the fight because he's massive.
• 1:12:41
  Well, actually, Jonas puts up a pretty good fight for being like
• 1:12:44
  a much scrawnier. Dude, Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  And literally he wins until he gets back.
• 1:12:50
  No, I replaced. Her often from the the nerve
• 1:12:53
  agent. And then he gets planted pretty
• 1:12:56
  good. I forgot that he was that cuz I
• 1:12:59
  wrote Jonas wins. And then as soon as that
• 1:13:01
  happened, like I saw Xavier stand up in the background and I
• 1:13:03
  just wrote an XI was like gets spikes to head.
• 1:13:07
  So meanwhile, out in the hallway, Laura collapses and she
• 1:13:12
  looks up and there's like a photo frame.
• 1:13:16
  With an X on it. And they all take that as a hint
• 1:13:19
  and they pull it off the wall and on the back of the frame is
• 1:13:22
  a photo of Daniel and Eric Matthews and Addison's like,
• 1:13:26
  this is the cop who faked my charges and put me away.
• 1:13:29
  What are you doing with him and Daniel's?
• 1:13:31
  Like, ah, that's that's my that's my dad.
• 1:13:35
  Laura has a seizure and dies, and Addison splits off Amanda's
• 1:13:40
  piss so she goes off to the room they all started in.
• 1:13:44
  Xavier's going around trying to collect numbers from the
• 1:13:46
  different bodies, and he finds the photo in the hallway too.
• 1:13:50
  A man. Once Amanda realizes that
• 1:13:52
  Xavier's just going rogue and killing people, she goes and
• 1:13:55
  clicks Daniel and they start working together.
• 1:13:58
  Matthews decides he's going to beat up John.
• 1:14:03
  That feels like the right the right call in this moment, and
• 1:14:06
  Carrie tries to stop him, but Rick blocks her from getting
• 1:14:09
  over to him. Rick, like we did it your way,
• 1:14:11
  We're going to do it this way. He, like, beats the shit off him
• 1:14:15
  and then puts a gun in his mouth.
• 1:14:16
  Yeah, like it's pretty brutal. Meanwhile, Addison finds a room
• 1:14:21
  that has a syringe and this little block contraption, and
• 1:14:24
  she sticks her hand in through this, like, trap razor thing.
• 1:14:29
  It's kind of like the top of a of a McDonald's Coke where it's
• 1:14:33
  got the little Flappy thing. Oh my God.
• 1:14:36
  So he she sticks her arm through.
• 1:14:39
  Immediately fucks up the antidote syringe, and because
• 1:14:43
  she is, you know, mostly dead already, she sticks her other
• 1:14:46
  arm up through not thinking. Get through.
• 1:14:48
  And she's just trapped this whole time though, so she's
• 1:14:51
  trapped there. And then Xavier comes in and
• 1:14:54
  like just like gets the number from the back of her neck.
• 1:14:57
  But imagine the thought going through her head like, Oh my
• 1:15:00
  God, he's there. Like, Oh my God, he's grabbing
• 1:15:02
  my hair. What the fuck is happening?
• 1:15:04
  And then he just slowly backs away.
• 1:15:06
  It's like, did he sniff me or something like?
• 1:15:08
  What the fuck? Yeah, because he just goes.
• 1:15:11
  Yeah. And then he walks away.
• 1:15:12
  I would be so like, I've got my hand strapped in here, but that
• 1:15:15
  was the worst thing that happened to me.
• 1:15:18
  What? So did every I guess trap?
• 1:15:21
  Did it have two syringes? Did hers have two also?
• 1:15:24
  No, hers. Just have one.
• 1:15:25
  Not, that's what I was saying. So the one with the pit, we
• 1:15:28
  don't see it because it says that they're locked behind the
• 1:15:31
  the vault or whatever, which how the fuck did you get that type
• 1:15:35
  of door in this place to begin with?
• 1:15:39
  But did it say there was two behind there or only one?
• 1:15:42
  I can't remember. The only one with two that I can
• 1:15:45
  think of is just the like the fire chamber.
• 1:15:48
  So then why does fuck does that matter?
• 1:15:50
  Why is he? Why does he get two and
• 1:15:52
  everybody else only gets one? I think it was really more the
• 1:15:55
  psychological component. So he could say one is for you,
• 1:15:58
  for doing me this favor and the others to give out how you see
• 1:16:00
  fit. Yeah, I think it was just a
• 1:16:02
  psychological component, so. John says, All right, fine, game
• 1:16:08
  over. I'll take you to the house, but
• 1:16:10
  only you. And the good news is that they
• 1:16:13
  can get out pretty easily because they're inside of a
• 1:16:16
  giant industrial elevator. So they push a button and
• 1:16:19
  disappear while everybody else is slow to react.
• 1:16:22
  Meanwhile, the tech team has figured out the house's address,
• 1:16:26
  so the SWAT team is headed there as well.
• 1:16:30
  Inside the house, Amanda and Daniel are back in the first
• 1:16:33
  room trying to hold the door closed against Xavier, and while
• 1:16:37
  they're in there, they find a trap door under the safe in the
• 1:16:40
  middle of the room. They use the key from the
• 1:16:44
  peephole door trap to get through the trap door, and they
• 1:16:49
  get through just as Xavier busts in.
• 1:16:52
  Amanda and Daniel are being chased by Xavier underground,
• 1:16:55
  while Matthews arrives at the house, the last house on the
• 1:16:59
  left. Yeah, the last house on the left
• 1:17:01
  being given the key by John and SWAT is inside their location
• 1:17:08
  and they cannot see, they cannot be seen on the camera carries
• 1:17:13
  like, I can't see you guys at all.
• 1:17:16
  They don't seem to see Eric or any of the bodies because Eric
• 1:17:19
  has found all of these different dead bodies, so they're
• 1:17:21
  realizing maybe they're in the wrong location.
• 1:17:24
  Amanda and Daniel are at the bathroom from the first movie,
• 1:17:27
  and Xavier finds them. And Amanda says that Daniel's
• 1:17:31
  dead and he's like, I don't care.
• 1:17:34
  I just want the number on the back of her neck, on the back of
• 1:17:36
  your necks. And she's like, well, what are
• 1:17:38
  you gonna do? I'm not gonna tell you the
• 1:17:39
  number on the back of yours that like blows his mind like shit.
• 1:17:43
  And then he's just like, all right, all right.
• 1:17:45
  And then he cuts up his own neck.
• 1:17:50
  But guess what? Daniel's still alive and he
• 1:17:52
  kicks Xavier and takes the knife and slits his throat.
• 1:17:55
  And then he cries cuz he just killed a man.
• 1:17:57
  He. Uses the the saw that was in
• 1:17:59
  there. OK.
• 1:18:02
  Missed that. Taking it from the first one
• 1:18:04
  there, you know. What's the movie's title?
• 1:18:07
  Yeah, I also love that we get, you know, the corpse of Adam in
• 1:18:11
  there, too. It's just chilling in the
• 1:18:12
  corner. Yeah, I kind of like that.
• 1:18:14
  And then the guy, what was the the guy that, like, kidnapped
• 1:18:17
  him or whatever's in there too? I like that this all kind of
• 1:18:24
  takes place within. I don't know, those bodies don't
• 1:18:27
  look that decomposed. Maybe a month of each other?
• 1:18:30
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:18:31
  Like, I just like how it's all within the same whatever.
• 1:18:34
  And then even there's hints too when Donnie Wahlberg, sorry
• 1:18:38
  Donna Wahlberg is walking through the the house and he's
• 1:18:42
  seeing all the dead bodies. If you look really close, their
• 1:18:44
  hands or their skin is decrepit in already, you know.
• 1:18:48
  Turning from being dead for however long it's been since
• 1:18:52
  they actually died since like the Are you talking about from
• 1:18:55
  the first movie or people from? The people in this one.
• 1:18:59
  People that die in this movie, cuz it's what, Who knows how
• 1:19:02
  many days later, right, that his son's been taken in?
• 1:19:06
  This actual thing took place in the house, right?
• 1:19:08
  Cuz we're watching tapes of it. Donnie Wahlberg's looking at all
• 1:19:12
  these bodies when he's going through the, you know, the
• 1:19:14
  building. So if you're paying.
• 1:19:16
  Close attention before the reveal of it being taped.
• 1:19:19
  You're seeing and they're showing you that these people
• 1:19:22
  have been dead for a while. Which swat is realizing that
• 1:19:25
  they're in the wrong house and they find the footage.
• 1:19:28
  So they got the location from where this VCR setup was and it
• 1:19:32
  was all a tape of the game as it played out that was being sent
• 1:19:37
  to John's location. Eric Matthews is in the bathroom
• 1:19:44
  now. And he doesn't see Amanda or his
• 1:19:48
  son in there, but he does see a hand peeking out of the bathtub.
• 1:19:53
  And when he gets there, he's attacked by somebody in a pink
• 1:19:55
  mask, the timer back at the location where they'd found
• 1:20:01
  John. It goes out and a safe pops up
• 1:20:03
  with Daniel inside with a little oxygen mask on and he's crying
• 1:20:07
  and. In for a lifetime of trauma.
• 1:20:11
  And probably like medical related issues too, cuz if he's
• 1:20:13
  still not recovered from that, like he still seems to be well,
• 1:20:17
  I mean it's a it was a nerve agent, he still had nerve damage
• 1:20:20
  happening, you know? Also, is this the only time in
• 1:20:25
  the Saw franchise in which Jigsaw has used another person
• 1:20:30
  to get to somebody else in a in a trap?
• 1:20:33
  Normally he's grabbing someone and then putting them through
• 1:20:36
  the test. Well, he's grabbing this
• 1:20:38
  person's son who is obviously has his own problems, but he's
• 1:20:43
  not being put through a test. The kid's just there because of
• 1:20:45
  his debt. The only.
• 1:20:46
  Other thing I can think of is Donnie Wahlberg and Four, what's
• 1:20:50
  his face's wife, Joyce in Part 7?
• 1:20:53
  She's in the Iron Bowl. Yeah, Jeff's daughter in Part 3.
• 1:21:01
  But then then at that point it is also different jigsaws too.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah. So I guess is yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Right, right. Eric Matthews has a tape and the
• 1:21:09
  tape is from Amanda and she's saying that she is a follower of
• 1:21:13
  Jigsaw and she will be taking his place whenever he passes
• 1:21:17
  because the the cure to death is immortality and that Eric is her
• 1:21:26
  is her first Test subject. And then she pops up at the door
• 1:21:28
  and she says game over and slams it.
• 1:21:30
  And that's the end of the movie. Of that, they said game over.
• 1:21:34
  She could have done a little more better a game or she's
• 1:21:37
  like, game over. She should have been, you know,
• 1:21:40
  a game over, you know. That's why I wasn't bothered.
• 1:21:44
  By that's why he tests her again in the next movie.
• 1:21:46
  He's like you didn't give it enough.
• 1:21:49
  I was there. That was not a good game over.
• 1:21:51
  We're starting. Sorry, what are we rated now?
• 1:21:55
  A. By changing their scores after
• 1:21:56
  talking about it. I'm gonna pop it up.
• 1:21:58
  Still feels right. I'm gonna pop mine back to a
• 1:22:01
  six, I think talking about it, thinking about the how much care
• 1:22:06
  was put into some aspects of the film being that it was a good,
• 1:22:12
  it is a good twist you don't see coming like the whole it was
• 1:22:15
  taped like you don't. There's nothing to show you that
• 1:22:18
  right now, if you're looking closely.
• 1:22:21
  Kind of, but not until the final, like, ending part where
• 1:22:24
  everything's unraveling. So I feel like that's written
• 1:22:28
  well. There's other parts of the movie
• 1:22:30
  that I'm just still like, come on guys.
• 1:22:33
  But I'll I'll give it a six. OK, you said.
• 1:22:36
  You're bumping yours too, no, I said.
• 1:22:38
  I'm keeping. It keeping it 7.5.
• 1:22:40
  OK, I'm keeping mine 8. OK, so we do go up a little bit
• 1:22:44
  then. Yep, our new average is 7.16.
• 1:22:49
  OK. All right.
• 1:22:52
  That was. Did you do that in your head?
• 1:22:54
  No, she has a calculator here. Cheating.
• 1:22:57
  I do our averages in my head, but dividing by three is a pain
• 1:23:02
  in the ass. Talia, honestly, she just wasn't
• 1:23:07
  into this movie. She laughed.
• 1:23:08
  She was asleep. She needed to go out at about 18
• 1:23:11
  minutes. She came back and slept some
• 1:23:13
  more. And then she's like, I'm just,
• 1:23:14
  I'm going to the bedroom, guys. I think Talia is gonna give
• 1:23:18
  this. She's gonna give this a three,
• 1:23:24
  no, a four, because that's the number of doors in our hallway.
• 1:23:27
  So she's like playing her, her on version of salty.
• 1:23:30
  She's like, which doors are open for me to go through?
• 1:23:33
  Yeah, this one, right. Here's the walk all the time she
• 1:23:35
  can't get. Into this one.
• 1:23:38
  Zoe was very into it. She liked it.
• 1:23:40
  She was. She watched the entire thing.
• 1:23:42
  She didn't leave the room. So cuddling she was feeling it.
• 1:23:45
  Which one's the cat and which one's the dog?
• 1:23:47
  Talia's the dog. Zoe's the cat.
• 1:23:50
  OK. Who did everybody relate to?
• 1:23:54
  Jigsaw I just want to kill everybody.
• 1:23:56
  Wait, no. Jigsaw Because I'm totally not a
• 1:24:00
  murderer. Right, that's a hard ones in a
• 1:24:03
  movie like this, right? Because there is a cavalcade of
• 1:24:06
  cast in this, like everybody's different, but they're all
• 1:24:10
  shitty kind of people. I mean, most saw movies,
• 1:24:12
  everybody is in the trap because they're a shitty person, right?
• 1:24:16
  Not to say everybody's a St. but.
• 1:24:19
  I don't. I don't.
• 1:24:20
  I don't know. Jonas seemed pretty solid.
• 1:24:23
  We never found out what he was in for.
• 1:24:24
  True. And he was definitely trying to
• 1:24:26
  be the mediator. I think I would be Jonas in this
• 1:24:28
  situation. What the fuck?
• 1:24:29
  Did he do to calm? Did he only get put in here
• 1:24:32
  because he was like he had charges, like planted against
• 1:24:35
  him? Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Is that his crime for being a victim?
• 1:24:38
  We don't hear anything about his background.
• 1:24:40
  That's a little bit fucked up, Amanda.
• 1:24:42
  Come on. Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  Well, I think all these people were being used for the game.
• 1:24:46
  Let's be real like. Some of them are shitty, but
• 1:24:48
  like even 7th Heaven. Like what did she do?
• 1:24:51
  She seemed OK. I'm gonna relate to Starship
• 1:24:55
  Troopers. She she seemed level headed and
• 1:24:58
  the only person who was like by the book and trying to do
• 1:25:01
  everything correctly. Dina.
• 1:25:04
  Dina Myers. Is that her name?
• 1:25:05
  No. Yeah, I relate to her.
• 1:25:08
  Even. She was kind of a Dick, though,
• 1:25:10
  in the way she brought Matthews into it.
• 1:25:12
  Yeah. No, no, no.
• 1:25:14
  She was fine. I'm gonna relate to Adam's
• 1:25:18
  corpse because I'd be dead before this thing even started.
• 1:25:23
  Perfect. No, Travis, you would.
• 1:25:24
  Honestly, you'd probably be Xavier and I would be Laura,
• 1:25:27
  because I would succumb to the nerve damage before I could die
• 1:25:31
  from any of the traps, and you would somehow not be as affected
• 1:25:35
  by the nerve agent as everybody else, Because you're never sick.
• 1:25:39
  Ever. And you never react to like,
• 1:25:43
  vaccines or anything. You you're just like I'm fine.
• 1:25:46
  I. Do tend to take a bat to
• 1:25:49
  everything in the house and cut off a large chunks of skin on
• 1:25:53
  the back of the exactly. It's uncanny, apparently.
• 1:25:56
  You gotta take all the skin off. Yeah, yeah, that's Italian.
• 1:25:59
  That's Italian. Uh, OK, fuck it.
• 1:26:03
  Whatever. No, I'm sticking with Adam.
• 1:26:05
  OK, Do we have a new tagline? Hmm.
• 1:26:09
  I really like just when you thought it was safe to go back
• 1:26:12
  in the torture dungeon. That's pretty funny, I'm not
• 1:26:15
  gonna lie. Let's think.
• 1:26:16
  Let's think here. Saw two.
• 1:26:18
  We did it again. Twice the fun, twice the murder.
• 1:26:21
  There might be twice the murder actually in this movie.
• 1:26:25
  Oh no, I got it. Wait, game over again?
• 1:26:30
  Game over. That would totally be A tag on
• 1:26:34
  that they would use for this. Are you checking to see if that
• 1:26:36
  was one? Yeah, I think.
• 1:26:40
  The Ron Burgundy, right? Game over.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah. I'd be OK with that unless you
• 1:26:48
  got something. I don't know.
• 1:26:49
  I just think they knocked it out of the park with that one
• 1:26:52
  tagline. Yeah, we can't use it
• 1:26:54
  unfortunately. We gotta What's another movie
• 1:26:57
  that has like a sequel that has, well, that kind of, I think
• 1:27:03
  Steve's kind of plays in the Halloweens, because I was gonna
• 1:27:05
  say The Night saw came home again.
• 1:27:09
  OK, nice. OK, that's the tagline that
• 1:27:13
  started the whole is. Rewrite the tag or let's read
• 1:27:16
  the taglines. Yeah, the night he came home.
• 1:27:19
  Again, Jigsaw Saws. Again, I've never really put
• 1:27:26
  together The fact that they call him Jigsaw in the movie is
• 1:27:29
  called Saw, but they're talking about a saw in the original
• 1:27:32
  movie. Because that's the whole point
• 1:27:34
  of the movie is he wants you to cut off your foot with a fucking
• 1:27:37
  SAW. But then.
• 1:27:39
  His name is Jigsaw, like a jigsaw piece that he cuts out of
• 1:27:42
  his victims when they're dead, but he doesn't use a saw to do
• 1:27:45
  that. I wonder if they were doing that
• 1:27:46
  intentionally or if they were just like huh, happy, happy
• 1:27:49
  coincidence. Look at that.
• 1:27:51
  Look what we did. Yeah, we did that on purpose.
• 1:27:52
  Yep. No, I feel like it was probably
• 1:27:54
  intentional because of the name Jigsaw, plus the use of a saw in
• 1:27:58
  the first one. Which trap do you think you
• 1:28:01
  would survive? OK, so we're not doing, we're
• 1:28:04
  not doing dream sequels because it's our franchise song.
• 1:28:07
  So which trap do you you think you would survive?
• 1:28:09
  So let's lay them out. We got the one in the opening
• 1:28:12
  death mask. We have Obie's fire chamber one.
• 1:28:17
  We have the syringe pit and we have her sticking her hand up in
• 1:28:22
  the We also have Detective Matthews.
• 1:28:25
  That's true, yeah, talking to Jigsaw for two hours.
• 1:28:29
  So I think realistically, if you're Eric Matthews from Boy
• 1:28:34
  Meets World. You are.
• 1:28:37
  If I was him, I'm obviously if I don't have the same detriment as
• 1:28:41
  him, right? Like, I'm I'm me in this
• 1:28:42
  situation. I'm not going to argue and yell
• 1:28:45
  at this guy. I'm going to be like, what's the
• 1:28:46
  rule? Oh, sit here and talk to you,
• 1:28:48
  Okay. Let's talk.
• 1:28:50
  Do you think I would let him talk?
• 1:28:51
  Because you know what, no offense to anything, this dude
• 1:28:54
  is kind of interesting, right? Like he has.
• 1:28:59
  What's the word I'm looking for? An ability to make crazy shit.
• 1:29:04
  So let's talk if that's the name of the game.
• 1:29:07
  The second one is the no. You get one, you get one.
• 1:29:11
  You can serve one you get. Well, then I'm gonna choose the
• 1:29:17
  the fire, because I'm gonna go in there and take the one and go
• 1:29:20
  you guys get the other one. It's right there.
• 1:29:22
  Just grab it. I hope it's fine.
• 1:29:24
  Do it. And if that guy's gonna threaten
• 1:29:26
  me, I'll be like, well then here, here's yours and whatever.
• 1:29:29
  I think I could survive the McDonald's cup lid because I
• 1:29:33
  wouldn't put both my hands in there.
• 1:29:36
  Even though there are, so are you.
• 1:29:38
  Are you? Yeah.
• 1:29:39
  Are you affected by the toxins so you're not thinking straight
• 1:29:42
  like her, or are you just going in there like you are now and
• 1:29:45
  going all right, one hand goes in.
• 1:29:46
  Uh, obviously that's not coming out unless I press things
• 1:29:49
  underneath of it with my other hand.
• 1:29:51
  I like no matter how affected by the nerve toxin I am, I don't
• 1:29:54
  think I'm just gonna walk into a jigsaw trap blindly the way she
• 1:29:59
  did because she just, like, barreled her way in there.
• 1:30:05
  Also, you're going in with the idea that you know of Jigsaw.
• 1:30:08
  These people do not. Also true, but they'd already
• 1:30:11
  learned that you needed to follow the rules and that their
• 1:30:13
  traps were pretty sadistic, so. I would like to say that I could
• 1:30:18
  do the one just sitting there and talking to him for two
• 1:30:20
  hours, but you do have to also put into like you have to
• 1:30:25
  recognize that somebody that you love.
• 1:30:29
  Is being held hostage somewhere, and this person is giving you
• 1:30:32
  very like, lame conversation and being very evasive of any
• 1:30:39
  discussion of that. You have no reason to trust that
• 1:30:42
  at the end of the two hours. Exactly what you say.
• 1:30:45
  Yeah, and I would. I would get very frustrated with
• 1:30:47
  that. And I don't know if I could make
• 1:30:49
  it for two hours doing that. So it's a tough one.
• 1:30:52
  Shit, dude. I think it's got to be that one.
• 1:30:55
  That's the only one I think I could survive because the other
• 1:30:57
  ones, I'm screwed. I don't think I can do any of
• 1:30:59
  those other ones. I can't survive the syringe pit.
• 1:31:01
  I would put both of my hands in there because there are two
• 1:31:04
  things there and I would just think, OK, I guess both hands go
• 1:31:07
  in there and I can't cut my eye open to get a key.
• 1:31:12
  I'm just like, fucking kill me. I'm not going to go through
• 1:31:14
  that. Yeah, I either have to do that
• 1:31:18
  or I'm not going to make it. OK All right.
• 1:31:21
  Now it's time for reviews. All right, so you pulled an
• 1:31:24
  Internet review. Yes, this is a one out of 10
• 1:31:29
  user review on IMDb. This is absolutely one of the
• 1:31:33
  worst movies I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:31:35
  I liked the first one, but I mean, they really messed it up
• 1:31:37
  bad with the space of garbage. And now there's the third one
• 1:31:40
  coming out this year, and I hope to God it's not bad as bad or
• 1:31:43
  worse. The worst part of Saw Two was
• 1:31:45
  the end. Sequels usually suck.
• 1:31:47
  This one especially did. It lives up nothing to the
• 1:31:49
  original, it's just plain stupid.
• 1:31:51
  I expected better, but I got a huge disappointment.
• 1:31:53
  Shawnee Smith was a lot better in the first one.
• 1:31:55
  The killer is a geek and the killing scene sucks.
• 1:32:01
  Yes, they're bloody gory, but what a horror movie is that.
• 1:32:05
  This movie is a big rip off. I like my killers to be cool.
• 1:32:09
  I no, no fucking nerds, no geek. I do kind of like that as a
• 1:32:13
  review because like if you you know some people like the this
• 1:32:18
  big brawny slasher types like Jason Voorhees and you know, but
• 1:32:23
  then you've also got your your John Doe's and John Cramer's of
• 1:32:27
  the world that are just geeks. You.
• 1:32:29
  Know it's funny. I've never seen a movie in which
• 1:32:32
  the bad guy is just a nerd out for revenge murdering like.
• 1:32:38
  Dudes, UM, law abiding citizen. Really.
• 1:32:44
  Not really. Yeah, really.
• 1:32:46
  But he's not, like, a nerd like he is a nerd.
• 1:32:51
  Like did you guys know Y = M X plus B?
• 1:32:53
  Like, I want that shit. I mean, maybe not like a horror
• 1:32:58
  movie, but like, uh, Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor.
• 1:33:02
  Shit, I was actually just thinking about the Spider Man,
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  The Amazing Spider Man 2 with the Jamie Foxx turning into
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  Electro like before that. That was like the biggest nerd
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  they ever put on screen. But then again, it's still Jamie
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  Foxx. Like, you're like, looking at
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  that shit right there. Like.
• 1:33:15
  Come on, Jamie Foxx ain't no nerd.
• 1:33:18
  I got Internet or listener reviews.
• 1:33:20
  OK, so I got two reviews, one on Instagram and one on Twitter.
• 1:33:25
  So I'm gonna start off with the Twitter talk Wheely boobs and he
• 1:33:30
  says. This is the first one I saw in
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  theaters. We watched the first a couple
• 1:33:34
  weeks before this came out and we're pumped.
• 1:33:36
  The first was dope and this one didn't disappoint.
• 1:33:39
  This one was since and had a hell of A twist ending again.
• 1:33:42
  Oof, the scene where Amanda gets tossed in the needles.
• 1:33:45
  I think that's everybody's most memorable scene in this movie.
• 1:33:48
  Yeah, I mean, I I remember watching the trailer and that
• 1:33:50
  was like the trailer was her in that pit.
• 1:33:53
  Was it? Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  I mean, that's a good way to sell the movie right there.
• 1:33:55
  I would watch that shit. OK.
• 1:33:58
  And the final review is Michael E Howard.
• 1:34:01
  Says sequels can be tricky. Not all live up to the
• 1:34:04
  expectations of the original Saw Two is the exception.
• 1:34:07
  From the moment the first trap starts, you are drawn back into
• 1:34:10
  the world of John Cramer. This is the first in the series
• 1:34:14
  that starts to draw out the story and the War of Jigsaw
• 1:34:17
  right from the start with The Death Mask Trap.
• 1:34:20
  See death mask. Film moves at an even pace.
• 1:34:24
  The multiple twists make a second watch worth it.
• 1:34:26
  The needle trap since shivers down my spine.
• 1:34:28
  The original is definitely my number one, but only slightly
• 1:34:31
  more than saw to 9.5 all right. Yeah, thank you for calling it
• 1:34:36
  Death Mask and backing me up on that.
• 1:34:38
  And also yeah, the fucking needle trap.
• 1:34:41
  I do think that this is probably, if you're thinking
• 1:34:44
  like if you're being objective, I would say this might be the
• 1:34:48
  second best in the series. But there are some that get.
• 1:34:51
  Close to it at least. I'm going to have to go back and
• 1:34:54
  watch them again because again, I remember talking about this
• 1:34:57
  and thinking this being, yeah, up there as well.
• 1:35:00
  But after watching it, I'm like, I don't know, there's a couple
• 1:35:05
  traps that I'm like, yo, these are tight from other, you know,
• 1:35:09
  movies. But I'm not quite sure that the
• 1:35:11
  whole movie is as good as the Trap.
• 1:35:15
  I just remember one of the endings where the.
• 1:35:19
  I think it's the main guy who's who's like the cop.
• 1:35:21
  Well, no, he's he. Everybody thinks he's jigsaw the
• 1:35:25
  one cop, but it turns out to be the other guy, and he gets put
• 1:35:27
  into that glass. Often at the end or whatever.
• 1:35:30
  And then it like, slowly not collapses but like squeezes him
• 1:35:34
  together and he's got his arms up against it and his fucking
• 1:35:36
  forearms just like break apart. I was like.
• 1:35:39
  That one, That's five. Yeah.
• 1:35:41
  OK. OK, that's a good one too.
• 1:35:43
  It's got Luke from Gilmore Girls and Darla from Buffy.
• 1:35:47
  Yeah, right. All right.
• 1:35:50
  So that wraps up our coverage of Salt, too.
• 1:35:52
  OK. Next week we're going to be
• 1:35:54
  talking about Happy Death Day. That's not currently streaming
• 1:35:57
  anywhere, but you can rent it for $4 from YouTube, Google
• 1:36:01
  Play, Redbox, Voodoo or Prime. And it's definitely worth the
• 1:36:04
  $4.00 rental fee. So go ahead and check that out
• 1:36:07
  before we discuss it. Steve, do you want to tell
• 1:36:10
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• 1:37:05
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• 1:37:08
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• 1:38:07
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