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Oklahoma Guide Laws, Expo Hype & Banquet Highlights — Ep. 28 · DuckFellas Podcast

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Welcome back to the Duckfellas Podcast, episode 28.
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Today, it is hosted by Zach and myself, Tyler.
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Do us a favor, make sure you hit that like button or subscribe while you're
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tuning in today, tomorrow, whenever it may be.
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Just do it. Please. Be like Nike. Just do it. We're struggling out here.
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It's rough in the trenches.
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How you been, buddy? It's been a bit, a few weeks since we've done one.
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We missed last week. We were all a little too busy.
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I was like busy and a little tired after a long weekend of the banquet and everything
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else. So, you know, been busy, busy as usual. Work's picking up.
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Just trying to, you know, move in and stuff like that.
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Yeah, and I don't think we've had a podcast since you closed on your house and started moving. Nope.
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We closed two weeks ago, Friday.
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So it's exciting. Yeah, it was super exciting. Went from a five-minute drive
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to work to a 35-minute drive to work, but...
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Can't beat it. I don't have any neighbors, so I'm going to take it.
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That is a plus. I enjoy not having any neighbors anymore.
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And every evening and every morning, there's a small flock of geese that sit
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across the road on the pond, so I get to listen to them honk every morning.
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They talk in the evening when they get up and go right back.
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Yeah? you're standing out there
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just flipping them off oh yeah yeah come follow them guys are screwed,
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that's awesome well I guess before we get going here we'll mention we are coming
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to the end of the giveaway that
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we are going to do it on our next podcast which won't be next Monday but,
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probably the following Monday it'll be here in June I believe,
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so make sure if you haven't yet you get entered in that contest.
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It's pretty easy. You can go out there and win yourself Alps Layout Blind.
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Sick blinds. They're not bad.
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They're a lot better than my first one. My first one was just laying out there
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and hiding underneath the decoys.
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Well, I don't think they've invented Layout Blinds yet when you were starting out.
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Oh my god. No, we had those big goose shells you hid under. Oh my god.
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Yes, with the little like three above your head.
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Yeah. Yep. Good. Yeah.
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Times were good back then, though. The mega hunker. Jesus. Oh, man.
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Yeah. But no. So, not many entries, but I don't care. We're going to run it
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anyways. So, people that are entered, you have a very solid chance of winning.
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To the people that aren't entered, sucks to suck. And they would know.
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Yeah. Yeah, they might.
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So we're going to touch on this at the end of the episode, but since our last
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podcast, some news has kind of came out in the state of Oklahoma,
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passed some new guide regulations that,
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I don't know if it's going to make a big difference, but it's a step in the
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right direction compared to like some states.
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Like I think here in Iowa, we don't have any regulations for guides. Yep.
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Yeah. So that definitely helped with the, with some, like you said,
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we're going to touch on it again towards the end here, but we'll definitely
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help. with some exploitation, if you will.
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Right. So. It'll be interesting. I'd like to see a lot of states kind of implement
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some stuff since waterfowling has really blown up in the past 10 years from what it used to be.
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Well, as you should, you know, I know we kind of talked about it with Iowa having,
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I'm 99% sure you do have to have a license for deer, right?
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So why would you, I mean, any waterfowl or migratory birds a federal deal.
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So why would you not make that for you have to as well?
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Yeah no exactly it's kind of wild that i mean i didn't know we didn't have it
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i kind of had a feeling we didn't and then we were talking about it before the
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podcast where you thought we did,
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and uh i i'd assumed with just i mean just kind of like how our our dnr you
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know they try to do the best for what's in the the wildlife and the management
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everything else whether it ends up like that or or comes across like that,
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but i assumed we we did but no we were i was wrong so right Right.
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Kind of crazy. But like we said, we will circle back to that.
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We just thought we'd touch on that a little bit right away. And now we're going
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to move into what kind of recap the Delta banquet we just had here last weekend.
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And why don't you go ahead and kick it off here with you being on the committee and all.
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Yeah. I mean, fantastic turnout, right? We sold out, gave away a lot of cool
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stuff. We had a good turnout. Some guys that definitely showed up willing to
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spend some money for the right cause. Yes.
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Had a record-breaking year as far as what we made and which is great right because
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we would turn that by right back around and put it into the habitat and making
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more ducks and duck hunters here in iowa so,
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well right then the more money you guys bring in at that the more you get to
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keep here locally and put in public areas here or however you may be,
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yeah and it's you know obviously there's some there's some fees and stuff like
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that that a lot of people don't see or realize but i know we're.
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Probably 25% more than certain other national organizations.
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No names. No names. Nope. I'm not trying to start.
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I'm not trying to have somebody tell me to go count carpet fibers or anything in the comments.
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No kidding. Oof. That'd be rough. So, yeah. It was great. Turned out.
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It was an awesome weekend.
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Yeah, it was honestly a packed house in there. and it was hotter than hell in that place.
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Man, I was running around like crazy.
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I was trying to help where I can and working a couple different games there
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and stepping in where we needed a little more help.
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But, man, you could get two or three laps around that building and I was wet from top to bottom.
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Yeah, and so this was the first year in that venue and you guys packed it right
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away. So, I mean, maybe next year, maybe next year we even go bigger.
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I mean, is there another bigger venue close to us?
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I got, I have a contact actually that talked to me that night about moving the
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venue would be bigger and a seed.
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So I like it already. Yeah. There's going to be some conversations to be had
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and some logistics to go through and stuff like that. See if we can make it
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work. Right. But I think if, if it all works out the way that we talked,
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it's going to be really nice.
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Be able to fit another hundred people and like I said AC is a big one.
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I mean, when it's hot and humid like it was that day, it does make a big difference.
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Because that room was, it was steaming. But it just made you drink more beer to stay hydrated.
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Exactly. We had nice cold bush lattes there for you guys. And obviously,
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I think what's the way some of those things were selling?
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There were some guys that were going down pretty smooth.
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But that's the goal, right? That's what you want. I mean, that's why you serve
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alcohol at these shindigs. is, you know, sometimes people get to drink a little
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too much and start spending some extra money.
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That's a lot of times Czech buts are like women. The more you drink, the more they open.
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Nothing wrong with that. It's going to a good cause for the most part,
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so spend it while you got it.
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Speaking i mean speaking of there was a i mean a couple things i had my eye
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on that were you know for for those that weren't able to make it with a really cool sprint car wing,
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with all of our sponsors on it and just happened to have a duck fellas logo
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on it as well and i think somebody in this chat went ahead and took it home that night,
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yeah i believe someone did yeah it's gonna be badass here hopefully next couple
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weeks or month or whatever we get that in the background onto your screen there.
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Yeah, that would be pretty sick. It turned out really well. I was kind of surprised
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that it went as low as it did, being Knoxville, being a big sprint car town.
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It is. It's kind of a gamble, I guess, with that, something like that at a hunting venue.
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Because, I mean, honestly, most people can't afford to race and hunt.
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But I thought most hunters are race fans, especially in our area.
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Yeah, no, I agree. And I thought it was going to go over well.
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I wouldn't, I wasn't, I mean, my personal guess on it was about a hundred bucks
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more than you paid for it.
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And I thought that's where it was going to bring and fell up just short of that, but good for you.
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I mean, and good for us. We didn't, we didn't have, we didn't have a 10th of that in it. So.
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Right. No, I mean, that's it. It was a cool thing.
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I got it cheaper than I thought I would, to be honest with you,
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me and me and Cade were talking about splitting it if it got so high so we can
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make sure we get it, but it went cheaper than we thought and yeah i mean i'm happy yeah,
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you're happy we're happy and that's all that matters right the only complaint
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i had other than no ac on the whole deal,
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was we gotta have more prints next year my guy and colton i see you in the chat
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here i know you're listening more prints and i know it's the auction in silent auction.
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Yeah, I mean, and I will say the two prints that I was eyeballing went for a,
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pretty penny. And I was like, I'm glad they did. But that just should reinforce
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to us that, yeah, we're going to work on getting some more.
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It'd be nice if we could find, you know, whether we can find them,
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donate them, buy them, whatever.
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Some old Terry Redlands or even maybe an old Larry Zach or something like that
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to get a few more into the auction.
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Right. I mean, for me, that's one of my favorite things to go there and bid on or look at.
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The prints you know it's just I love them I'm terrible about it,
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we were moving and I've got a stack I mean you can't even see my hands but you
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know a stack of prints in the basin where I was like what are we going to do
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with these and I'm like hang them on the wall duh.
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What kind of question is that we're trying to build a nerd baby so I was like
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I got to make sure this kid grows up like in duck hunting so we need to start
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swapping some duck prints up on the wall right there you go And, you know,
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all in all, like you said, it was a great event.
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I feel like we had some really great people there. Everybody got along.
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It was a good time. You know, people mingling and chatting with each other.
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And I'll give hats off to the whole committee crew that put it on,
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and especially Colton. I feel like Colton does quite a bit, and he takes a lot
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of pride in how that event goes off. Easy.
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I can feel his head getting bigger from here. Yeah. Well, it can't get much
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bigger until it just blows up. Yeah.
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No, seriously, Colton does do a lot of shit, you know, the shit part of the job. So hats off to him.
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Like I said, hats off to everybody. There was a couple, I mean,
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a couple guys that fell short. So I told Colton, you know, you got to cut dead
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weight, man. But everybody else that showed up and helped, it was awesome.
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They all stepped up where they needed to, so.
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No, for sure. Absolutely good time. He knows how to kind of promote a deal too.
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And y'all did a good job all year long kind of putting that together and once
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you got it figured out and starting to share it out and sold out so can't complain
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about that yep yep can't wait to do it good next year.
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Yeah it'll be here before we know it too just like hunting seasons it feels
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like it's coming on strong,
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i was literally going through totes in the garage uh this week and i was like
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oh i don't need to do that you know i'll just push the hunt toast to the side
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right now go through this later and like on the plane right out here i was like
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oh my god i'm like september's gonna be here in a blink of an eye,
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it is and unfortunately for me this year i'm not gonna get a hunt much until
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the second half and later on in the season because with work this year and buying
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a house and trying to build a shop and spending money like i'm made of it,
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i'm just gonna work through november this year and i'll be off december and
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january probably so get plenty of hunting and then,
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i mean for two other people in this,
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this podcast group works out pretty well yeah yeah yeah.
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The Delta Expo, that's our next big thing coming up. I was going to say,
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speaking of spending money.
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And that's coming quick, too. I mean, we're into July, but we're already into
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June here, and we're already over a week into June.
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I was actually doing some numbers in my head the other day and counting some
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cash in the safe, and I was like, all right, I need to set this back.
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I'm going to set that back because I don't want to try to buy this.
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And then I went, oh, my God. I was like, I only got one more paycheck until
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the Expo. Maybe I'm not going to spend that much money. Yeah.
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Yeah, it feels like it's coming on strong, but I'm looking forward to that.
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It's something, and we've discussed it before, this is an event that does not
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come around very often, and it hasn't been here yet.
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This is going to be the first year that we have it in Des Moines,
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and I've heard rumors and murmurs that it's going to be back within the next
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year or two or three, something like that again, and then it'll probably be gone for a while.
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Yeah, and this is one I've had my eye on for Colton, Bradley,
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and Corey Swankin and Tessa, and I got a message to them both the past two years.
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They were going out of state and going to it, and I was like,
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this looks like such a freaking blast.
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All the new products and the things you're going to see there.
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So yeah, when I heard it was coming to Des Moines, we were pretty stoked about it. Yeah.
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As soon as I heard it was coming to Des Moines, I pretty much wrote it down
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in the calendar at work that I will not be at work those three days.
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Yep. Just because of the people. I mean, we're going to have people from all
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over the country that just live and breathe this, the same thing we do and you'll
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get to talk to him, see him talk. I mean, hang out.
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It just an overall good time.
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Yeah. I mean, and obviously the, the banquet's Friday night,
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so that's going to Friday, right?
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Yeah. So that's, that was the next thing we're going to go into.
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Here's the schedule. Oh yeah. So go ahead and hit up Friday.
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Like tell us how it was on Friday.
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Probably just be nice, you know,
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obviously all your vendors can be there early, but doors open at noon.
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So they'll do that celebratory ribbon cutting and the floor will open.
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The show will run till six, thereabouts, between there.
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So one to five is there's going to be some seminars and sessions.
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I don't know exactly which ones are in there, but obviously there's going to
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be some good ones. I can imagine hunting scenarios and calling and everything else.
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But then you have the fun one, which is probably going to cause some pain Saturday morning.
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5.30 to 10 is the banquet there at the Expo.
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So I don't know if it's going to be more of a hangover or more of a regret or
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more anxiety, depending on what my checkbook looks like after Friday night.
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Well, I'm hoping. So we bought a table to that for the Duckfellas podcast.
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And I haven't got an email back on that table. I paid for it,
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what was that, like a month and a half, two months ago now, probably? It's been a while now.
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I mean, it was pretty close to when they first started selling tickets to the Expo.
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And the banquet. I think it was that weekend because I know we talked about
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it when tickets were going on sale and I was like, yep, we'll find people to
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fill it. Let's just buy one and go.
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Right. So I'm hoping as it gets closer, I get an email about it or I don't get
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an email about it and we show up Friday and we just really hope that we have a table.
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That they do have eight tickets for us. Yeah.
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No, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that one's 10. Is it 10?
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Yeah, I believe the tables are 10 people at that banquet because it was two
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more than what our local banquet was.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it'd be 10 a table. Yeah. And then there's dinner.
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Oh, Colton said we're on the list.
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Is that like a list of you have a table or is that a you're on the waiting list
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for a table? Probably on the waiting list. A bunch of losers trying to come to our banquet.
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Duck fellows, like, no. They're not allowed.
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That's going to be a fun one. I really look forward to that,
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seeing all the stuff they have there at that banquet. That should be an absolute blast.
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Yeah, I'm really stoked because I think there's going to be,
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I think there's definitely going to be, I mean, I think there's a lot of new
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products or stuff that's coming out, but I think there's going to be a couple
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that are going to be really interesting, really grab your attention.
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So hopefully that's the case.
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Selfishly, I'm hoping to run a slight sale on some waiters, an expo special on some waiters.
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They usually do. I know. They usually do.
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$1200 is going to hurt. Well, you heard it here first. We do have a table.
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Perfect. Yeah. Is he at our table?
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No, I think he's a Delta table, if I remember right. I dodged that one.
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I'm just saying we had him at a table at the ISC banquet, and he bid on a vacation
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for somebody else. It was at Lake Red Rock.
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Oh, my God. Yeah, it was a bad deal.
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That kid got all fired up. So all I know, you're sitting at the table with Bradley.
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Hide your numbers. Absolutely. Noted.
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Let's go ahead and move into Saturday here. So it's going to be doors open at
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9 a.m. and the expo runs till 5 p.m.
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Then you have your seminars and sessions in the middle there from 10 to 4.
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But in the middle of the day, there is a Delta Grand National Double Reed Duck
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Calling Championship contest.
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So that should be interesting.
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I'm really, really looking forward to that.
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Have you ever been to a calling competition? Nope. And that's why I'm just stoked.
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I mean, obviously I've seen them online, watched videos of them,
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but I'm stoked to see when I'm in person.
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Yeah, it's kind of cool to watch the competition and hear the different styles
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of calling and the different caliber of callers that come out.
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It's always cool to kind of not just compare yourself to kind of how they sound
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because competition calling is a whole different animal.
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I used to do it myself years ago, and you don't use any of those except for
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when you're highballing and screaming at them in a long distance.
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They're always fun to watch. I enjoy watching them and going to them.
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And I believe, I don't know if this is an evening, but there's a Champions of
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Delta luncheon and then banquet events is what it says here.
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I don't know what banquet events are.
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I'm sure if there's somebody in the chat, old CB could comment and give us some
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sort of information maybe because I'm not entirely sure.
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This will be my first expo as well as you. So I'm not sure what to expect there.
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But yeah, that is the evening, which I assume is starting at 5.
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Yeah, I would assume. I don't know. I don't really know. Well,
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the luncheon, I think, would be in the afternoon.
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Yeah, but then you got the expo ends at 5. You wouldn't think they'd try to do it.
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I don't know. I don't know. All I know is I'll be asking everybody what bar
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we're going to after the expo gets done.
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You son of a bitch, I'm in. Because I believe we got the hotel room for two
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nights, right? Friday and Saturday? Yep. We sure do.
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Yeah, so, I mean, I think maybe Saturday we hit up Prairie Meadows so I can
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maybe win some money to spend at the expo.
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Unless you don't have any money left over from the banquet Friday night.
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I didn't think about that because that's a very real possibility.
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We might have to set some money aside Friday morning when we get to the hotel
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or Friday afternoon when we get to the hotel and leave it in the room for the next day.
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$1,000 straight in the microwave. Yeah.
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Microwave. There's this faith in the room. I don't trust them.
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The housekeepers know the combination.
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Can't you change the... Oh, no, there is a master code. I don't know.
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I was just being sarcastic, but yeah, I'm going to have to set some cash aside.
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Yeah. Probably wouldn't hurt.
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What about Sunday? What do we got? Sunday. So you got, for all you religious
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folks, there is a Duck Hunter's Church service, 9 a.m.
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And then also at 9 a.m., the show floor will open up and let our rental floor,
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and basically kind of throughout the day, same as Friday in between that or
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same as both days so at 10 a.m.
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To 3 p.m. they're going to have some different seminars and sessions going on so 4 p.m.
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Sunday shutting the doors everybody you don't have to go home but you can't stay there.
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And you know if you're if you're not from the Des Moines area or even if you
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are I mean we're not that far from Des Moines 40 minutes but yeah well hour
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and 15 minutes for you now yep,
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but if you're matter whether you're from the area or not from the area and you
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plan on going up there and having just a good time not worrying about,
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like just wanting to let loose drink make just i think you can get on delta's
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the event page and you can book hotel rooms through there too or it'll show
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you like all the all the hotels that are close by that are within walking distance rather than,
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drinking and driving that's yeah obviously we don't condone that but des moines
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big enough i mean it's no new orleans i think is where was that last year right
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or baton rouge wasn't it Oklahoma,
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or was that two years ago it was Louisiana last year it was Oklahoma I think
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it was in Oklahoma last year either way it's not gonna be that big but there
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is Uber there's Lyft all that stuff so you gotta drink you gotta Lyft ride home
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back to the hotel or whatever.
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I mean, that's what we did. We know how we are, and that's a long drive home.
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So now I'd rather be able to do whatever I want there and let loose and drink
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as much as I want and become a chatty Cathy with everybody and kind of just let loose.
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Yeah, and I hope anybody that's listening can see us walking around the show.
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Stop talking to us. Give us some thoughts or opinions or shit you want to hear.
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Yeah, we are working up some things to kind of do maybe a live stream or two
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while we're there, kind of like going over what's there.
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I'm hoping to kind of do something Friday, earlier in the day,
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Friday, kind of just going over what's all there, what you can look for,
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kind of things like that.
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And then we also got something else in the works. We may have a neat little,
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live stream on Saturday, I think, but we're still working out the details on that one. Yep.
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I hope so, but you never know. Yeah.
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It's not really, the ball's the ball is out of our court on it.
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We're just kind of waiting to see.
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We're down for it, but we got to figure out everybody else's.
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But if you're looking for tickets for this deal, you can purchase them online.
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They're on the Hy-Vee Tix Delta Waterfowl Expo page. Go there or just Google
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Delta Waterfowl Expo tickets and you can find them pretty easily.
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A one-day pass is $15 for an adult.
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The three-day wristband is $34. And then any youth, 15 and under,
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completely free. Bring your kids.
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Have a good time. Show them all the hunting stuff there is coming out and everything,
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there is to have for waterfowl hunting.
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What are you doing? I have somebody text me and tell me this mic looked gay,
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so I'm trying to turn the light off in a hallmark.
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I was going to tell you that before, but I wanted someone else to tell you.
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Well I left my mic at home on this plane ride down here to old Kentucky so I
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had to stop at Best Buy and buy a Freshie,
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I didn't have a lot of options it is what it is you just gotta get used to being
26:44
made fun of is that better?
26:47
Yeah just gonna hold that there the whole time?
26:51
Yeah I'm gonna set the god damn yeah anyway uh yeah so obviously cheap cheap get in the show,
27:01
get your tickets come check it out be a lot of a lot of guys there foils lucky
27:06
duck ihp's there gator tail sika sheen,
27:11
woody creek shout out brett henderson and yeah i'm sure there's gonna be a pile
27:16
of clothes and decoys and rigs and everything else so,
27:22
and a lot of new stuff that had like i know a lot of companies released the
27:26
new stuff coming out this year yeah these expos So, I mean, might not.
27:31
The only way to find out something new is coming out first and early is by going
27:35
to this. And they might even have it for sale there.
27:37
Like, you could be one of the first few people to get it.
27:41
Some people get off on that. I mean, yeah. They want to throw it on Facebook.
27:45
Let everybody know that they're important.
27:47
Yeah. Yeah.
27:53
Yeah, so, again, if you have any questions about the Expo, feel free to reach out to Colton Bradley.
28:00
Yeah, with all your questions, call Colton.
28:04
641-891. No, I'm just kidding. Anywho, yeah, I'd say I kind of want to roll
28:10
into this bill in Oklahoma for the guide fee here.
28:16
Yeah, that's kind of an interesting one.
28:19
I mean, it's something I'm kind of surprised they haven't done years ago with
28:25
waterfowl hunting becoming popular within the past 15 years.
28:29
I'd say it's really gotten a lot more popular and guiding and outfitting has
28:32
just exploded in the past 10 years.
28:37
So I look to see what like any of the states that don't have something like
28:40
this or like North Dakota. We'll touch on that at the end here,
28:44
kind of compare it because they got some pretty strict rules.
28:48
But I look to see a lot of states that don't have regulations starting to put
28:51
them in place to kind of, I don't know, just kind of regulate who has a guide
28:57
license and who can legally guide.
29:00
Well, when you think about it, right, we'll go into some details here on it.
29:03
But, you know, if you look at Iowa, we don't require the waterfowl guide license.
29:07
In Oklahoma, obviously, we're talking about just in and stated it.
29:12
If you don't have to have a guide license, you can pay me to take you duck hunting
29:17
and I can take you to any public waters, right?
29:20
Don't fucking smirk when I say that. No, you can't guide on public ground.
29:24
I thought that's what this bill was introducing.
29:28
I guess I don't know that. That I don't know for sure. The bill does introduce
29:31
that, but I don't know if you could previously or not.
29:34
Fair question, because when I was reading through the bill, it pointed out that,
29:39
the only places you had to have this were on your own ground, right?
29:45
No, not on your own ground, on private ground. I said that backwards.
29:49
Come on, get your shit together. said that backwards.
29:52
Yeah, I mean, if that's the case, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong,
29:56
but if, I mean, assuming you're allowed to guide on public, now you're bringing
29:59
revenue into the state for the exploitation of public grounds.
30:04
Correct. So, I mean, I don't know why you wouldn't, I don't know why most states
30:08
wouldn't follow with it. I mean. Right.
30:11
So the bill that we're talking about is Oklahoma SB 2095.
30:17
It's been a thing in progress, I believe, for the past two or three years,
30:20
and they've been working out the details on it, but this was just signed by
30:23
the governor on May 11th and will become effective November 1st of this year, 2026.
30:31
I mean, you know, essential outlines, obviously the outfitter has to be 18.
30:36
I don't know why I mean, I guess. Yeah, I get you trying to grind it when you're
30:41
young, but Jesus Christ, if I showed up for a paid hunt and there was a 16 year,
30:45
16 year old, I'd be like, Hmm.
30:48
You wouldn't give him a chance. You just, you just say, I'm out of here.
30:51
I'd give him a chance, but I would be definitely judgmental right away.
30:56
Could be the best hunt you've ever been on. Could be. Could be.
31:01
Able to produce a valid driver's license and residency.
31:06
And then obviously any license should show that stuff on it.
31:10
You also have to have insurance, which checks out, right? How much insurance? It's a big one.
31:18
Liability coverage of no less than $1 million.
31:23
That's a lot of zeros. It is a lot of zeros.
31:27
I mean, honestly, though, for something that you're doing that involves guns
31:31
and random people that you have no idea who the fuck they are.
31:34
Especially in today's world.
31:37
It's really not much because, like you said, today's world, you never know with
31:42
people. And it's not like these guys or outfitters that I know of are running
31:46
background checks. I mean, there's some of them that may or may not,
31:49
but I don't think many of them do.
31:52
I mean, yeah, I've never heard of it. if it is a thing I've never heard of it
31:56
and not that I've been on a lot of I mean I've been on no guided waterfowl hunts but,
32:01
multiple out of state hunts what do you mean I take you I take you all the time,
32:05
yeah but I'll pay you guided to you but I'm still guiding you out there.
32:11
I'm guiding you in the dark yeah well I'm blindfolding you and then I guide you out there,
32:18
It's true. I mean, I do have to hold your hand in the dark when we're walking
32:21
through the water. I don't have a nightlight. Snakes scare me.
32:29
So yeah, million dollar insurance policy. I have a hunting outfitter or hunting
32:33
guide license from the Director of Wildlife Conservation.
32:37
So obviously that's what we're talking about. Or it could be any authorizing
32:42
agent of the Department of Wildlife Conservation. What would that be though?
32:47
That's my question. I would kind of figure, kind of like the IDNR,
32:52
but ODNR? Just any, yeah.
32:55
I mean, I don't know. Not the director, but our local RO would be able to issue that?
33:03
So it'd probably be, yeah, something like that.
33:07
Like the warden, and he'd have to run it through the proper channels for him.
33:11
Probably, I would guess. I don't plan on guide in Oklahoma, so I'm not trying
33:16
to read too, too much into it.
33:17
But good news is if you want to, you can get your license, your guide license for two grand.
33:24
Oh, that's it. Yeah. Residents are a thousand non-residents are two grand.
33:28
So if you decide you want to start guiding Oklahoma, two big ones.
33:32
That's really, if you think about it, what people charge these days for hunts,
33:39
a thousand dollars for a resident or two grand for a non-resident even. That's not shit. Yeah.
33:44
No, you're gonna make that up. I mean, if you're a guy, if you're the guy that's,
33:47
that's in a position to own 1,000 acres in Oklahoma, but you live in Kansas,
33:52
and you just go down to Oklahoma and guide during the season,
33:55
you're going to make that back in a weekend. Well, that's what I mean.
33:59
Most of these outfits are running usually about 10 guys a day.
34:04
They don't always have full books every day, so let's say an average of seven for shits and grins.
34:11
I mean, that's usually 300 bucks a pop, probably. 250 to 300 on average. Yeah.
34:18
You've made that back on four guys. Yeah, it is. In one day.
34:24
So yeah, I mean, realistically, not much, but still, if you have a dozen of
34:29
them in the state, then you've got between 12 and 24 grand that's going straight
34:33
back into wildlife, I would hope, into wildlife and the conservation wildlife in Oklahoma.
34:38
I'm sure that's part of the reason they're doing this. It's kind of help regulate.
34:42
Who's doing guiding and outfitting in the state and then also just to bring
34:47
a little revenue in for the state for the DNR.
34:49
I mean, it makes sense, right? If the money's going to the right place, 100% makes sense.
34:54
I mean, look at us and I will. We talked about I will and the Heritage Foundation
34:59
there, and it's like we couldn't get that thing rolling. and we still can't
35:02
get it rolling. It was introduced, what did we say, 10 or 11 years ago?
35:05
It's been a while. Yeah, it's been over 10 years. So, I mean,
35:08
they, you know, if I were to start something like that and they're just pulling
35:11
straight from the, you know, granted, we don't have a lot of waterfowl guides, but.
35:16
You know, snow goose guides and goose guides and everything else,
35:19
you could easily kind of kick that off.
35:22
So I wonder if that's what Oklahoma's trying to do is get some more funds in
35:25
their pocket. And that's one thing.
35:29
We don't have a lot of guides, I feel like, in Iowa or outfitters.
35:31
But I would say during snow goose season, we probably do have a fair amount
35:36
that roll through for that.
35:38
Southern tiers of Iowa, you always see guys pop up and it's $300 a gun.
35:42
You know, come down on a day, $300 a day per gun.
35:46
And there you go. You know, that's the spring conservation season, obviously.
35:49
But yeah, even that, $300 a gun, and you run 10 guys, you've got,
35:54
because I'm including in here, right, that there's a license for your helpers
35:58
that are $100 for residents, $200 for non-residents.
36:01
So if you got $1,000 and you got three helpers, you got $1,600 into it,
36:06
and you charge $300 a gun a day, you got nine guys, eight guys,
36:11
whatever, and you're... Right.
36:15
It's just, I mean, it makes sense. One thing I was surprised was they're requiring
36:20
you to get a license for your helpers now. So, like, residents are $100,
36:24
and non-residents, $200 for just a helper on the crew.
36:29
That is weird because I don't know. I feel like there'd definitely be some gray
36:32
areas or loopholes of, oh, he's not really a helper.
36:36
I didn't see it in the bill, but I'd be curious as to what they're classifying
36:41
as a helper. I'm guessing if they're on your payroll, right?
36:45
That's probably what it would be.
36:47
I guess we're paying the guy cash. You could probably get away with not doing it, but obviously...
36:54
Eventually it's gonna come back around to get you if you get checked by a ceo,
36:57
game warden something like that you know yep just keeping honest people honest but um,
37:04
so yeah like you said i said it backwards like you said if you own the land
37:07
you do not have to purchase a license outfit on your own property,
37:11
or even you don't even have to own the land but if you i think it was let me
37:16
pull it back up i think it's if you have the rights for the farming on it,
37:21
then you don't have to have it that was what i couldn't find super clarity super
37:26
clear information on because i was curious on that just with knowing kind of
37:29
how leases work i mean if you lease it for the entire rights of the land,
37:32
farming hunting whatever i mean it's not yours right but essentially you have
37:37
the right to say what goes on in on that ground right,
37:42
I don't know. There's also, one thing we don't have on the list is it shows
37:46
the fines, you know, if you don't buy this license. And the first offense.
37:55
Let's see here. So the first offense is a $1,500 fine, no more than $2,000,
38:04
and then a possibility of 30 days in jail.
38:09
The second one same fine or possibly six months in jail and you could get both,
38:18
sometimes it's going to be either or but you could get the hammer if they're trying to set an example,
38:24
and then I think the last one if you get caught a third time I think you're just done,
38:29
it's a period of the amount of the course so you can't hunt I believe for a
38:35
year or 10. It's one to 10 years.
38:40
A year? I mean, a year I feel like is kind of dumb, but whatever.
38:44
Yeah, and I mean, there's going to be guys that they do get caught breaking
38:48
it, which there will be somebody eventually get caught.
38:50
And here we go, it's going to be just one year just by depending on the case you pull.
38:55
Yeah. I think, I mean, I think the first year is going to be more caught than not.
38:59
I mean, whether it's negligence or just ignorance, one of the two,
39:04
you know, it's like, yeah.
39:05
Fuck that or, oh, I didn't know. They're going to be writing tickets that first
39:08
year. I bet they're going to be tracking it hard.
39:11
Oh, yeah. You know the state's going to be out in full force on that first year
39:15
and just trying to collect that extra taxpayer money.
39:20
But, you know, looking into this and here, I heard about this a couple of weeks ago.
39:24
And when I got to thinking about
39:26
it, when you mentioned it, I looked up Iowa to compare it to us here.
39:31
And it's kind of wild that we just don't have any license. Like you can,
39:37
I think in Iowa, you can guide on public land, maybe even two.
39:39
I'm not sure. I didn't even look that up.
39:41
But there's no restriction on it for a license. So I don't, unless it's in our laws, you can't.
39:48
Guide on public land right and i've been dug into it on the waterfell side but
39:52
i mean you've been missing out you could have been charging me and pookie all year,
39:58
dang it damn it do you know in iowa can you guide on public for deer,
40:05
i think i think he used to be able to but i'm pretty sure they changed that
40:09
but i could be wrong so i haven't looked into it in a few years just because,
40:15
gossip and shit like that a few years ago.
40:17
You started looking into it. I can't remember if they changed it or not,
40:19
but I think you used to be able to.
40:21
I would imagine if there's no waterfowl license for guiding,
40:26
then I would say it's probably the same rules and regs as the deer hunters, I would guess.
40:32
They would fall under their regulations for running, like being a guide on public
40:36
ground, or however it may be.
40:39
And it's wild. Like you said, what Iowa doesn't, and I know we look at North
40:43
Dakota, I mean, they have to have it. North Dakota's strict.
40:47
I should have done more research on the rest of the states surrounding us,
40:52
but obviously NODAC is the one that comes to mind when you're talking about
40:55
waterfowl. Well, it's like one of the most traveled two states in the country, I believe. Right.
41:02
I would say for the size of it. I mean, I think Arkansas is the number one. Well, fair.
41:08
But I mean, realistically, you know, you got Arkansas, the Stuttgart,
41:13
right? duck hunting capital of the world, but I've talked to a handful of guys
41:16
that are like, I've duck hunting lately.
41:18
It's been going down the past few years. It's just been shit.
41:21
So I think that's just the past few years are getting even more traffic to NODAC.
41:25
And in order to be an outfitter in NODAC, you have to have a hunting license
41:30
for at least two years and provide proof of insurance, just like Oklahoma's
41:33
doing, except they have to have to hold a hunting license for two years.
41:38
And then NODAC makes you pass a written exam administered by the Fish and Wildlife
41:44
Department, which is wild.
41:46
I don't know what that entails, but I would assume it's game identification,
41:51
and... It's probably just simple addition and subtraction.
41:54
Two plus two minus four. That way you know how to count your profits. Yep.
41:59
Yep. Whether or not you believe in group limits, you know, simple,
42:03
true or false questions.
42:05
Yeah, I can't imagine that being rocket science.
42:08
Yeah. Uh, and then safety certificates, so it's wild. I wouldn't be surprised
42:12
if the exam is similar to, like,
42:14
a hunter safety, right? And they kind of base it around that as well.
42:18
But on top of the hunter safety, you have to assert your certifications in standard first aid and CPR.
42:27
Which I think is a good, a good rule. Like, I mean, I think that should be a
42:30
common practice for any outfitter to have.
42:33
I mean, when you're working around guns and just random people,
42:36
like we talked about earlier.
42:38
Guns and water, right? I mean, look how many dipshits. Sorry,
42:42
but dipshits. If it's one of you guys, sorry.
42:45
You know, get out there in wind and waves and you're out nipple deep in water
42:50
and waders. The next thing you know, you're being pulled down.
42:54
Yeah, I mean, anything can happen on any given day.
42:57
You just never know. Like you said, it's simple as tripping and falling in the
43:02
water and your waders fill up and you can't pull yourself back up.
43:05
So that I feel like is a pretty would be a pretty common thing for most outfitters
43:12
other than these mom and pop pop up ones that are Joe Blow popping up a guide service.
43:19
Definitely one I agree with yeah 100% while you were kind of talking about that
43:25
stuff there for North Dakota I looked up Arkansas just because we just mentioned
43:28
it dude their resident guide license is only 25 bucks,
43:35
And the non-resident is $450. Pretty laid-back restrictions.
43:43
And you can guide on public WMAs from what I'm reading here. Nope.
43:49
It's pretty standard stuff. You just pay that $25 or $450 to become a guide.
43:55
And it kind of sounds like you can go to most places and guide for the most part where you want.
44:00
There's probably some limitations on certain areas. but yeah i mean it's,
44:06
how many you think for anybody that's a resident or or grew up hunting you know
44:10
in that area they would be like yeah fuck it i'll pay 25 and if i can take two
44:15
groups out a year and pocket a couple grand great,
44:18
oh man back in the heyday when arkansas used to really kill a lot of ducks oh,
44:24
and you were you were a resident that knew how to shoot a duck or kind of had
44:29
a favorite timber hole that always killed ducks.
44:31
I'll say, do them holes that everybody else kind of skirted around.
44:35
Right. I mean, that's probably an easy way to make some bucks right there. Yeah.
44:39
All right, guys. Get some good sleep. We're waking up at midnight.
44:43
We got to get to the hole first. Yeah.
44:46
Well, a lot of them places got on and off times, so you just got to race,
44:50
you got to race, crash boats and race. Yep.
44:54
I've seen some of that. That's wild. you have to be done at a certain time and,
44:59
well see i'm used to that where i grew up we like on our public lake that we
45:04
hunted and a lot of the public all the public areas we hunted for the most part
45:07
was shooting time ended at one o'clock in the afternoon,
45:11
so you had to be i don't think you'd
45:13
be off the water anytime but you just couldn't shoot anymore after one,
45:17
yeah i don't i mean as far as iowa goes i don't think i would be like it would
45:20
suck a little bit right but i I wouldn't be opposed to a certain time frame
45:24
of, hey, you got to be done at this time.
45:28
I've discussed that with Cade and Austin in the past quite a bit and a few other
45:32
people's people's people.
45:36
But you're going to get a lot of hate for saying it.
45:40
But, man, I would like to see something implemented to where,
45:43
like, the first 30 days of the season, you had to be off the water by 3 o'clock
45:48
to give them birds that last two hours to rest and not be ran around by not
45:53
just mud motors, but all motors.
45:56
You know people running around out there just harassing them so the birds get
46:00
no rest when they get here to us,
46:03
that's and that's what i'm getting at you know i don't i that's the list of
46:07
people that don't like me is growing so if you don't like me whatever for saying
46:10
it but well like you said we got to get,
46:13
got to get some birds some rest because it it's,
46:16
there if them birds been here longer than three or four days it gets a little
46:20
little tricky it gets tough definitely gets tough But I think it would help,
46:26
from our birds getting so stale so quick.
46:28
Cause we have a lot of people in our area that do go out and hunt the afternoon and hunt until sunset.
46:33
And it sucks cause you don't want to take away the hunting from the guys that
46:36
work during the day and can make it out on the water by three o'clock, you know? Right.
46:40
Yeah. It sucks. I mean, honestly, any restrictions suck for the guy that's just going out when he can.
46:47
But if you, if you look at it for like quality throughout the year,
46:52
I think something like that could help our quality, but who knows?
46:56
I mean, there's other states that do it.
46:59
I'm sure we can look at the data on those and at some point see if it's helped or not.
47:05
It'd be nice to see. I mean, obviously you can't do it without trying it for
47:08
a few years and get a good baseline.
47:09
But it'd be nice to see if something like that would obviously help the hunting
47:15
pressure or the bird pressure or if it would help numbers in general or nothing
47:20
at all. or it wouldn't make a difference.
47:25
Now, do you think you were going to start seeing this a lot more in the states
47:30
through the Midwest here in the prairie pothole region that maybe that,
47:34
whether they have them or don't have them, we're going to see,
47:37
outfitter laws changing to affect,
47:41
certain states or certain people?
47:43
I think with Oklahoma starting it, or not starting it right,
47:46
but Oklahoma's jumping on that train.
47:48
And then obviously with the kind of blow up that's been quiet the past few weeks of.
47:54
The migration stop and the flooded corn and everything else,
47:57
it would not surprise me to see more states in the Midwest and kind of jump on that train of.
48:04
Did you say the flooded corn debates have been kind of quiet lately?
48:08
I haven't been checking out the stuff you probably have.
48:12
Brother you got to get on some more pages i don't even get on facebook that
48:15
much but i get on there just enough that every time i scroll through the feed
48:19
for more than two minutes i see somebody complaining about it whether it's for the good or the bad,
48:24
where's the deal like and when i say being quiet the past weeks i don't mean
48:28
joe blow or colton bradley bitching about flooded corn i mean like where the
48:33
legislation's out with it and where,
48:36
you know where where letters have been sent and topics have been discussed and stuff like that.
48:41
Because obviously it got hot there for a minute with letters going to certain
48:44
people and talking about certain areas of split of corn, right?
48:49
That was a hot topic there for a minute. Now, obviously, all over Facebook,
48:53
all over the keyboard warriors are going to bitch and bone and complain about anything they can.
48:57
Right. And I do think it's still a hot topic, you know, and they're still pushing it.
49:03
But they're, I mean, they're beating against the wall, a brick wall at that right now.
49:08
And it's, that's going to take some time because even if they do do anything,
49:13
there's probably going to be a study for more than two years.
49:17
Like it's going to make a three to five year study probably on if it's going
49:21
to help or if it would change anything.
49:23
So you're not going to see that change overnight.
49:26
You're not going to see anything happen overnight on that fact.
49:29
And I mean, most people in here know where I kind of stand on that,
49:35
but there's a lot of, there's a lot of people on both sides of the court and it is fun to watch.
49:40
Where do you stand on that? I'm confused, I guess. I don't know.
49:42
Shut up. No, you're not. Get out of here with that.
49:46
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of fair arguments on both sides of it.
49:50
And there is. I truly do believe that.
49:53
The problem is, I see Bill's been in here commenting a couple times.
49:59
I see him talking to people all the time, and he'll just try to tell them something.
50:03
And whether they're pro-corn or against corn, they just lose their marbles.
50:09
People are losing their marbles over flooded corn and the debate on it,
50:14
and it's absolutely hysterical.
50:16
That's not to take away from authority that's with everything if you say anything
50:20
that slightly contradicts what people are believing or want to thank then people
50:25
just don't listen it's like,
50:27
talking to stupid people or arguing with stupid people makes you stupid so don't
50:31
do it yeah you can't have debates no more you just have one disagreement then
50:36
a fight right except for nobody fights anymore because they just,
50:41
like keyboard warrior fights I guess no there's no fist fights anymore Well,
50:45
you don't want to get sued.
50:47
Exactly. There's a whole lot of legal shit that goes into a fist fight.
50:52
Hit you once and you just crack your head on the curb. Then you're going to jail.
50:58
Yeah, I think there's a lot of good discussions to be had with certain people.
51:02
I think there's a lot of guys out there that will still listen to arguments
51:05
and stuff like that. But yeah, obviously there's a lot of guys that are like, Oh, you support it?
51:09
Nope. Don't really care to talk to you because obviously you're an idiot.
51:12
Yeah, you're dumb. Yeah. You just can't afford flooded corn.
51:16
Yeah, you're just mad that I have it and you don't.
51:20
You're right. I am, but that's not the argument I'm trying to have.
51:24
Yeah, I am a broke-ass bitch. What's your problem with that? Oh, my God. Get off me.
51:30
It's good times. I've been watching it to try and see if anything breaks on
51:35
it so we can kind of talk about it, you know. But so far, kind of crickets from the U.S.
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Fish and Wildlife Service on that, honestly.
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Which is surprising, but not surprising at the same time.
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I just, I hope it hasn't been, like I hope it's quiet because it's going through the process.
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I don't hope that it's quiet because it got swept under the rug and it's done and over the course.
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It's not I know the Flyway Federation has been still gaining support still getting
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people to back their cause pushing for at least a study to figure out the whole
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shindig so they're still moving along but,
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everything I've kind of seen and noticed is,
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the government moves slow as fuck and everybody knows that so no progress on that part,
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but we'll see you never know I don't I don't hold my breath on anything happening
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quick or fast on that nope No, I wouldn't either.
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We'll just hopefully update as we get information, obviously. Yeah.
52:33
Well, what else you got for us on this podcast? It's been a fun one,
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just chatting me and you. You know, we don't have Austin here knowing the fuck out of us.
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Well, I mean, realistically, it'd be the same conversation, just with Austin staring at us.
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No, you know, I don't have anything else If you guys, you know,
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obviously if you guys have thoughts on the oklahoma bill,
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Let us know comments texts calls, whatever, you know, we're curious as well
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See what other people feel like we're not the type of person to say you're dumb
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for bringing an argument to it But other,
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than that I mean like I said here in a couple weeks we'll do another episode
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and then hopefully we do I'd like to get two in for the expo But we'll see what
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happens and how everything plays out obviously,
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Yeah, and if you're going to be at the Expo and you'd like to meet any of us,
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Cade won't be there very much.
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He will be racing that weekend, so he's got to go left-hand turns.
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I think he'll be there Friday, right? He's going to the banquet Friday.
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He'll be there probably a little bit on Sunday, maybe, but he'll be there Friday
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for sure at some point in time, I'd imagine.
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Speaking of Cade, real quick, he's having a hell of a year so far racing.
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Got to give him the credit. I gotta give him Well I was a little Disappointed Saturday Right And.
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Dude's been on fire. Car's fast. He's driving good. He's got himself. Day racing.
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I mean, we're getting close to midway through the season here,
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and he's right there. I mean, him and Patrick. He's sitting good.
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Yep, he's sitting good with points. So, obviously doable, right?
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Just, I wish, it would have been nice to see him on the podium on Saturday.
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Yeah, and he had a fast car, but he had a little bit of a fender bender.
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Didn't wreck the car, but almost wrecked the car Saturday night.
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But he's all good. Car's all good. They'll be back, hopefully. All it matters.
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Fast again next weekend. Yeah, what you were about to say was Fast as Fuck Week. Yeah.
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But anyways, if you want to talk to any of us, just hit us up or hang out with
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any of us. We'll be there. I'll be there every day, all day, pretty much.
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Zach. I'll be there every day, all day.
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We'll have stickers in our back pocket. Everybody needs a little cooler sticker. Represent your boys.
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Yep. We will have plenty of stickers. Maybe something else in the works,
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but I don't know. I'm thinking about getting a tattoo gun, and I'll give out
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Duck Fellows tattoos when anybody wants one.
54:58
That's a good idea. I'm down. You going to, like, draw it up on your Etch-A-Sketch first?
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No, I'll just trace the sticker. We'll put the sticker on your leg, and I'll just trace it.
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We can have Levitt Graphics print us off a sticker with, like,
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Oh, a stencil. Yeah. like little lines all around the words.
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At Ryan Levitt. I'm going to hit you up tomorrow.
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Well, this has been fun. I've enjoyed coming back on the podcast again.
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It was, it feels like it's been forever.
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Yeah. It's felt like a while, but glad we got another one in. Um, I know Tyler.
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