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I Need A Parallel Universe · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: I need a parallel universe. It's one more.
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  Speaker 2: Thing I'm strong, and one more thing.
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  Speaker 3: Before I get to why I need a parallel universe.
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  Speaker 3: I just got a text from a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 3: He is a retired grown man in his sixties who
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  Speaker 3: said he hates sissy men who are at he's at
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  Speaker 3: the airport. Apparently he hates sissy man who show up
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  Speaker 3: at the airport in pajamas and slippers.
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  Speaker 1: Amen, man up, men, Yeah, I agree, dress.
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  Speaker 3: Like a grown up for crying out loud.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: When you're in high school. You know, we used to
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  Speaker 4: like walk around in pajamas and stuff. But when you're
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  Speaker 4: like a grown man doing that, that's weak.
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  Speaker 3: You know, look, harmless trends are armless trends, But pajamas
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  Speaker 3: even in high school, put on yeah pants a college
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  Speaker 3: Chinese attack. I live in a college town. Ninety percent
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  Speaker 3: of the college kids I see are in their pajama.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the ninety percent of them need to man up
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  Speaker 1: and pant up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying I'm footing the women.
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  Speaker 1: It's popular.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: To the why I need a parallel universe, I think
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  Speaker 3: this is interesting. We've talked about this before, and you've
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  Speaker 3: had a comment about it, Joe, which you'll probably repeat here.
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  Speaker 1: Starting.
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  Speaker 3: I'll start with this, and I almost never work this
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  Speaker 3: side of the street about autism and kids' mental health problems.
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  Speaker 1: But this is from the Washington.
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  Speaker 3: What's the one that Byron York works for? Free Beacon
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  Speaker 3: or Washington Times. I can never remember one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Diagnosis rates of autism among children have more than tripled
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  Speaker 3: over the past fifteen years. We know that one reason
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  Speaker 3: which Minnesota's welfare scandal has laid bare with shocking details
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  Speaker 3: is Medicaid fraud and abuse. Now we've been talking a
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  Speaker 3: lot about the Minnesota thing, and in particular, they're fraud
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  Speaker 3: which might.
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  Speaker 1: Lead the nation.
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  Speaker 3: Medicaid pays health care providers big bucks to diagnose and
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  Speaker 3: treat children with autism, sometimes tens of thousand dollars a
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  Speaker 3: month for a single child, yet states rarely verify that
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  Speaker 3: kids were diagnosed actually meet the medical criteria for the disorder.
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  Speaker 3: So if you put down that you've got an autistic kid,
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  Speaker 3: nobody confirms it or not. Apparently he's quoting Alicia Finley's
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  Speaker 3: piece in the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, or they get
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  Speaker 3: appropriate treatment from qualified specialists. You don't have to one
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  Speaker 3: confirm you got a diagnosis, or two show that you're
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  Speaker 3: using the money for any sort of treatment or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that. The results have to get lots of money.
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  Speaker 3: Children covered by Medicaid or the government run children's Health
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  Speaker 3: insurance program are two and a half times more likely
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  Speaker 3: than those with private coverage to be diagnosed with autism. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I suppose you could tease it out and have some
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  Speaker 3: reason that kids with private coverage are less exposed to
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  Speaker 3: plastics or cell phone towers or whatever the hell we
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  Speaker 3: think causes autism. You know, I had a thought pop up,
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  Speaker 3: but then I corrected it. I was thinking, well, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the uh and this is not my point of view,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm just expressing it. Maybe the greedy, selfish private
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  Speaker 3: insurance companies refuse to pay for treatment. But then no,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's just diagnosis, it's not treatments of any kind.
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  Speaker 3: Two and a half times more likely to be diagnosed autistic,
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  Speaker 3: the final sentence being many lower income kids are labeled
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  Speaker 3: autistic merely because they have behavioral or developmental problems. And
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of actually what I wanted to get into.
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  Speaker 3: So people always say, well, you know, is there more
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  Speaker 3: autism or did we just used to overlook it and
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  Speaker 3: not called anything. There's some of that, of course, but
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  Speaker 3: that's not the vast majority of it. And I've talked
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  Speaker 3: to people who researched this for a living. It's not
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  Speaker 3: even close to explaining where we are.
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  Speaker 1: And if you've.
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  Speaker 3: Had kids in the modern world, you know there's way
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  Speaker 3: more kids with way more problems that ever existed.
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  Speaker 1: When you were young, depending on your age. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just a fact. And this leads me
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  Speaker 1: to what I really wanted to talk about. Is this.
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  Speaker 3: So a woman who knows grown woman with kids, she
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  Speaker 3: brought this, She said this the other day, just offhandedly.
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  Speaker 3: She actually has four kids, three of them autistic, three
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  Speaker 3: autistic boys, one of them severely autistic. Wow, she said, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're clearly on the spectrum somewhere to me, He said
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  Speaker 3: what She said, Oh yeah, yeah, I can diagnose it
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  Speaker 3: from a mile away. You're clearly She said, you're obviously ADHD.
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  Speaker 3: I assume you know that, and I said no, I've
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  Speaker 3: never thought about it. For a second. She said, you're
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  Speaker 3: clearly ADHD and you're probably almost certainly on the spectrum
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  Speaker 3: of some sort I thought, wow, that is I've never
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  Speaker 3: even thought about this before. That's really interesting, which gets
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  Speaker 3: to my whole parallel universe thing. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: I am or not. I'm a sixty year old man
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  Speaker 3: who's been relatively successful in my life, has lived. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure it makes any difference at this point, but
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  Speaker 3: if I would, I would love to go back in
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  Speaker 3: a parallel universe and have me diagnosed with something, age whatever,
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  Speaker 3: put in maybe special classes, maybe given medication, whatever goes
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  Speaker 3: along with it, and see how I would have turned
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  Speaker 3: out versus ignoring it my whole life.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I've long fantasized about, you know, just seeing
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  Speaker 3: that because it's such an intriguing question. I think for everybody,
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  Speaker 3: what if I had taken a left instead of a right?
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, you know, career wise.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the partner wise, just one hundred things, how
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  Speaker 3: would that have played out.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so intriguing.
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  Speaker 1: We specifically on this medical thing.
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  Speaker 3: It is the question of now, if you're severely anything,
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  Speaker 3: obviously you need to diagnosis in probably some sort of
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  Speaker 3: either therapy or medication. But if you're that mild version
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of kids are, are you better off
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  Speaker 3: never being told that you have some special reason to
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  Speaker 3: be not paying attention or struggle in life.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, I would think so, like I.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't told I have any special reason too, even though
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  Speaker 3: some woman just told me the other day I do.
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  Speaker 3: Are you better off just thinking, God, I suck at this,
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  Speaker 3: I better work harder. Wow, that's that's a really difficult
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  Speaker 3: question to answer simply say. Yeah, I'd say, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it depends, obviously, as you indicated, on.
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  Speaker 2: The severity of the situation. Yeah, there's something.
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  Speaker 3: To be said for figuring out like I did, because
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  Speaker 3: I one hundred percent would have been diagnosed in school
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  Speaker 3: with ADHD.
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  Speaker 2: It was just way, way too slow for me. It
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  Speaker 2: made me insane.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it would have been helpful to you? See,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's where it starts to get really complicated. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: in a way, but it would have routed me in
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  Speaker 3: a different direction than the one I took, which has
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  Speaker 3: ended up being really interesting and fun and you know,
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  Speaker 3: difficult at times, certainly. But I don't know what are
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  Speaker 3: the downsides to medicaid. You have to incorporate that into
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  Speaker 3: your analysis. Yeah, no doubt or upsides that. Maybe you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've never had medication of those kinds. Maybe if I
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  Speaker 3: ever had some medication. I don't know that I do
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  Speaker 3: have any of these things that this woman said I have.
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  Speaker 3: But if I did or do, and I'd taken any
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  Speaker 3: medication where all of a sudden, oh wow, this must
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  Speaker 3: be what it's like for other people to try to
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  Speaker 3: pay attention. Maybe it would have been awesome, But knowing
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  Speaker 3: my personality, I think it's much more likely that i'd
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  Speaker 3: have had I got an excuse, yeah for not getting
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  Speaker 3: my ass done?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can say shit, it's a podcast. I got
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  Speaker 1: an excuse for onion my shit done. Finally, my ship
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  Speaker 1: has come in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd have done that or not,
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  Speaker 3: or if kids do that. I have no idea to
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  Speaker 3: that point, and I don't have it readily in front
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  Speaker 3: of me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: But there's now a growing awareness that the fact that
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  Speaker 3: like two thirds of all college students claim to need
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  Speaker 3: special dispensation to take tests or whatever, it has become
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  Speaker 3: completely unworkable. They're having to figure out what to do
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  Speaker 3: now because it's just become idiotic. Everybody's got a special
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  Speaker 3: need now. But if I was told I had something
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  Speaker 3: when I was eight, with the exact same life I've lived,
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  Speaker 3: personality I've lived. How much would that bore into my
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  Speaker 3: mind of reason why I can't do this or I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be held to a standard for that. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but it would have to have an effect, Katie, look
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  Speaker 3: like you wanted to say something.
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  Speaker 4: Well, a friend of mine realized that she was having
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  Speaker 4: a lot of trouble concentrating and she got diagnosed with
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  Speaker 4: ADHD I think when she was twenty six, and then
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  Speaker 4: they gave her medication and she stopped taking it because
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  Speaker 4: she said it totally messed with my personality. It changed
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  Speaker 4: who she was. So I wonder if that would happen
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  Speaker 4: as a child. You would most people like that with
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  Speaker 4: me if it totally changed my personal.
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  Speaker 3: She's ah, no comment. So a young man I know
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  Speaker 3: who is thirty two, thirty two, thirty three, thirty three,
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  Speaker 3: who looks a lot like me, but it's taller, recently
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  Speaker 3: got saw a doctor about ADHD problems because he suspected
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  Speaker 3: that he has that, and indeed got medication number one
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  Speaker 3: and it messed with him and was bad.
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  Speaker 2: Medication number two.
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  Speaker 3: Is great and he's thrilled, really really happy about it. Interesting, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: he says he can he can focus on things for,
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  Speaker 3: you know, thirty seconds at a time and not three
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  Speaker 3: seconds at a time or even longer than that, and
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  Speaker 3: it's just made all the difference in the world, which
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  Speaker 3: is interesting because nobody who's known him since the day
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  Speaker 3: he was born.
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  Speaker 2: Realized that was going on, and neither did he.
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  Speaker 4: What made him realize it?
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  Speaker 3: Like self awareness. I think that the more you live
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  Speaker 3: and the more you experience, the more you realize. Wait
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  Speaker 3: a minute, other people seem to do this easily, and
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  Speaker 3: it's making me insane.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be crazy?
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  Speaker 3: If I figured out at age sixty a little tweak
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  Speaker 3: here there, and all of a sudden, I can do
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  Speaker 3: various things that I've struggled with my whole life, That'd
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  Speaker 3: be nuts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm going to seek that.
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  Speaker 3: Out, and the last thing I need is to go
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  Speaker 3: down that road at this point. But I have no idea,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't want to respond to emails and texts
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  Speaker 3: about not believing in medication or diagnosis because I'm a
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  Speaker 3: million miles from that. If you've been listening to the
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  Speaker 3: show for a long time, I have a kid that's
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  Speaker 3: got all kinds of stuff and all kinds of medications,
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  Speaker 3: So I am on that train. But do we do
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  Speaker 3: it more often than we need to?
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  Speaker 1: Almost?
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  Speaker 2: Certainly? Yes's true. Isn't that a one hundred percent Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, any responsible commentator would tell you that about the
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  Speaker 3: And part of it is the pathologizing of little boys,
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  Speaker 3: how the need to get up and move and have
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  Speaker 3: lots of energy and you need to tire them out
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  Speaker 3: before they can sit still. Is somehow that's that's a condition,
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  Speaker 3: it's toxic maximlinity or.
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  Speaker 2: And that's obscene. God, it makes me just so angry
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  Speaker 2: to even think about.
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  Speaker 6: Ugh.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I could actually run that parallel universe experiment
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  Speaker 3: with you know, me or anyone else where one you
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  Speaker 3: tell them they've got an excuse, and one you don't
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  Speaker 3: tell them, and see which turns out better.
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  Speaker 2: I don't actually know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would probably very kid to kid.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a strong statement. I have not evaluated this statement
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  Speaker 3: for its effectiveness. Side effects include diarrhea, pounding, headaches, and
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  Speaker 3: eye bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: Erections more than four hours, Oh, erections last for four days?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? My god?
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  Speaker 1: How am I supposed to sleep?
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  Speaker 2: So here is my strong statement.
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  Speaker 3: That sort of revelation would hit with people roughly like
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  Speaker 3: all obstacles hit with that person. Some people see an obstacle,
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  Speaker 3: they lay down and quit and blame it for the
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  Speaker 3: rest of their lives. Some people think, nah, all right,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Deal with, and they deal with it. It would be
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  Speaker 2: similar to like most setbacks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Again, I just that's off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I really really don't know. It's my wheels have been
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  Speaker 3: turning turning ever since this person said to me, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're obviously on the spectrum.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know that?
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  Speaker 5: Like what?
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I would have been offended myself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I think I should have thrown a punch or something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, totally, haymaker, I wouldn't be offended by that.
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  Speaker 5: Really, if you told your boss I know you're yelling
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  Speaker 5: at me, but you're only doing it because you're on
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  Speaker 5: the spectrum, that's not gonna go well, for.
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  Speaker 6: Instance, Yeah, yeah, oh, I don't think I am, but
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  Speaker 6: I don't actually.
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  Speaker 3: Know on and so are a lot of the geniuses
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  Speaker 3: that have done all the genius stuff throughout history.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not that either.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm sure they as coming out any second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what's an really interesting question is should you
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  Speaker 3: investigate it now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've been thinking.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I do have social stuff that is outside
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  Speaker 3: of the norm. I think, yeah, oh yeah, you are
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  Speaker 3: as am I, but not quite as far down the
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  Speaker 3: road of anti social you know, just being an introvert
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  Speaker 3: social anxiety. I'd rather get in a fistfight than have
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  Speaker 3: somebody hug me, for instance. Yeah, yeah, that's that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of spectromy Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Spectromy What else goes with that?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder? Oh gosh, it's it's it's a grab bag.
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  Speaker 3: Do I get special parking spots or anything? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'd look into it. If I get to like park
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  Speaker 3: closer to the store.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want a placard?
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  Speaker 1: I want a placard. I want a tax deduction.
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  Speaker 3: I got real bad ah adhd. Sometimes I wander off
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  Speaker 3: and I can't find my car because I can't concentrate.
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  Speaker 3: So I need to park in the first six spaces.
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  Speaker 2: Please?
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  Speaker 3: Do I get to board first in planes? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what else comes with this?
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  Speaker 1: If I? If I go ahead and pursue.
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  Speaker 2: This, but then you can be with people longer. A
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  Speaker 2: fast pass, last pass of the theme park.
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  Speaker 3: See here's all kinds of things that are gonna come.
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  Speaker 1: Let me in. Imagine mountain, Let me in, Let me in.
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  Speaker 1: I have the ADHD. I can't focus right. I'm barely
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  Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Give me something, Give me something.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the placard'd be handy during the holiday season,
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  Speaker 5: during Christmas shopping. I'm just saying, Jack, Well, I guess
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  Speaker 5: that's it.