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Manfred's attack, Kepler's Philly PT callout, A's want Severino out? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: You have to what's the worst case. What's the worst
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  Speaker 1: that happened. If he doesn't get.
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  Speaker 2: Traded, they put him on the aisle and he doesn't pitch.
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  Speaker 3: They're not gonna avoid this contract. They're not gonna nothing's
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  Speaker 3: gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Vegas, Baby, Welcome everyone. It is Ft from Vegas. We're
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  Speaker 1: playing a little poker tournament.
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  Speaker 3: Later.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually broadcasting it. We'll have a live stream.
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  Speaker 2: You must really suck it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't play major league baseball. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you, so.
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  Speaker 2: I figured you would figure out a way to get
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  Speaker 2: into the I.
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  Speaker 1: Ever acted like I played major league baseball.
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  Speaker 2: I actually feel like you nicknamed yourself the other day, Braun.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even remember that anyway, real poker player down there,
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  Speaker 1: how you feeling? Yeah, he does. I don't doubt this
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  Speaker 1: is part of his gimmick.
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  Speaker 2: Though. My gimmick is.
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  Speaker 4: Flying to Vegas and we have a two thirty three
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  Speaker 4: o'clock live here, three hours sleep in between three drinks.
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  Speaker 4: I has gotten to dinner, lunch, dinner after the show,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm kind of angry. I'm kind of tired, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of gonna kick everyone's.
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  Speaker 3: Three hours of sleep is a Tuesday for Scott three hours.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I would have got three hours of sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I woke up at five am actually, which is really
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  Speaker 1: eight am.
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  Speaker 3: That's nice. Don't do that. Don't do that, you can't
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  Speaker 3: go true. I was up at three hours. I can't
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  Speaker 3: stand when people do that.
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  Speaker 2: Boat ci.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a different it's actually eight o'clock. It really no,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually five. Yeah, it's five. It's actually five, and
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  Speaker 3: you don't get jet leg the.
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  Speaker 1: First time I've woken up at five in a while. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I would do want to tell everyone
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  Speaker 1: is we will have a lot more bonus content for
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  Speaker 1: you to watch later on the FT YouTube channel. I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you more information coming up in just a bit,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll have a ton of former players joining us
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  Speaker 1: over the next couple of days on this show and
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  Speaker 1: then also on this live stream. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: watching World Series of Poker and you get to know
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  Speaker 1: the cards on the screen and the guy's all playing.
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  Speaker 1: We did this a few months ago, but we'll have
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  Speaker 1: it on the FT YouTube channel, So more info coming
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  Speaker 1: soon on that. While Aj is angry, I have the
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  Speaker 1: perfect article that just came out for him. Let's charge
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  Speaker 1: talk about the war is on between Commissioner Rob Manfred
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  Speaker 1: and the players. The war is officially on. It had
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  Speaker 1: been brewing for a while. An article came out this
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  Speaker 1: morning from Evandrelik in The Athletic documenting what Manfred told
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  Speaker 1: some investors. I think for a Braves call, that part
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's public info since he spoke to people
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  Speaker 1: about it and it's not off the record. He just
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  Speaker 1: basically laid out he knew anyone could watch right right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, so it's public records. I'm saying it was
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  Speaker 1: in an investor call, but it's public. He basically laid
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  Speaker 1: out his plan for how he's trying to take players down. Period.
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  Speaker 1: He laid out his plan for everyone that he had
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  Speaker 1: been talking to players over a three year span, and
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  Speaker 1: each year he gets a little bit more aggressive and
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  Speaker 1: tries to tell them how they have significantly lowered the
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  Speaker 1: percentage of how much money they make, how much they
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  Speaker 1: share in profit right with Major League Baseball or revenue
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  Speaker 1: forty seven percent on players. It used to be sixty
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  Speaker 1: three percent the first deal when Manford was chief negotiator
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. So after punching them all
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  Speaker 1: the way down to forty seven percent. His hey, let's
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  Speaker 1: be friends tour is listen to me on everything, and
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  Speaker 1: I will lead you to more money. How did I paraphrase?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty close?
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  Speaker 3: Spot on?
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  Speaker 2: Why isn't his job to get more money for the owners?
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  Speaker 2: He works for the owners?
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  Speaker 1: Correct, But he's telling players, let me help, help me help.
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  Speaker 4: Numbers can't be right, then, that's what Tony Clark responded
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  Speaker 4: with them, the numbers are not right, because why would
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  Speaker 4: he tell everybody publicly? This is also why he has
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  Speaker 4: certain ex players on his staff now to be able
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  Speaker 4: to talk directly to players and get them to come
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  Speaker 4: over to his side.
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  Speaker 2: So, I don't know, this is going to be bad.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a good way to start negotiations when
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  Speaker 2: everyone already is expecting a lockout or a strike or something.
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  Speaker 1: Company And how do most players perceive him.
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  Speaker 3: Like the enemy, like somebody that's not to be trusted.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he said tells players they've lost billions. He
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  Speaker 3: should have said they've stolen billions from him, well from
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  Speaker 3: the players.
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  Speaker 1: If they lost billions, how did that happen?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 1: He didn't say, oh, like we've lost that money as
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  Speaker 1: a sport. He's saying we've captured more of that as
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  Speaker 1: an ownership group and as a league. So if he's
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  Speaker 1: saying that, whose job is to do that?
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  Speaker 4: But what he's saying is is the owners are being
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  Speaker 4: cheap and they're not spending what they're supposed to spend.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the players argument is going to be, like,
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  Speaker 4: we'll tell your owners to spend more. We don't need
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  Speaker 4: a salary cap to tell your owners to spend more.
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  Speaker 4: Then he's going to go back and say, we'll give
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  Speaker 4: you if you give us a cap, we'll give you
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  Speaker 4: a floor to make it like other sports, the NFL, NBA,
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  Speaker 4: they all have a cap, but they also have a floor.
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  Speaker 4: And then player associations would say, why don't we just
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  Speaker 4: spend more? And then and if I'm Tony Clerk, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going with the teams to spend get the big attendances
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  Speaker 4: and they win usually, So if you would tell the
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  Speaker 4: guys that don't spend.
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  Speaker 2: Also, if you want to make more.
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  Speaker 1: Also, the owners can share money however not however they want.
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  Speaker 1: It gets bargained. But if they feel like there's a
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  Speaker 1: disparity and team bottom feeder needs more money, that gets
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  Speaker 1: negotiated with revenue sharing.
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  Speaker 3: YEP.
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  Speaker 1: So that's their choice. They can present that to the
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  Speaker 1: union and say, hey, we would like to give the
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  Speaker 1: Guardians an extra thirty million bucks a year from the
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  Speaker 1: top three teams whatever. Right, I'm paraphrasing here on a
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  Speaker 1: much more complex issue, and they would say, great, you're
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  Speaker 1: giving them more money. Cool?
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Okay, they can totally do that. But he's
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  Speaker 3: talking about the money that is split between players and
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  Speaker 3: owners has gone down. It's directly from him. Correct, He's
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  Speaker 3: the one that's doing this. And you're talking about like
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  Speaker 3: a guy. You're talking about like money that if you're
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  Speaker 3: truly trying to create a relationship. That is what he says, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: trust me. You can't start off of trust a relationship
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  Speaker 3: build on trust with a dude that's like, actually, I've
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  Speaker 3: been swindling you since what did he say, two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and two the first time he was part of a negotiation.
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  Speaker 3: That's who you want to trust start a relationship off
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  Speaker 3: on like I know, I haven't really trusted this guy
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  Speaker 3: because of the things he's done to us with our money,
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. You use the Guardians as an example.
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  Speaker 4: Right, just because they give the Guardians thirty million, doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mean they have to spend it on anything other than
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  Speaker 4: going to the owner's pocket. That's that was the big
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  Speaker 4: great with Oakland for years and other teams Miami Islands, yep.
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  Speaker 4: Where they say, oh, Pittsburgh, Oh they're getting forty to
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  Speaker 4: fifty million a year and that's just going in the
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  Speaker 4: owner's pocket because they're not respending it back into team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they say, we're spending it on the team, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get directed towards the Pirates, right.
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  Speaker 3: The Pirates. The Pirates are the perfect example. They they
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  Speaker 3: had a I saw it because I was on the
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  Speaker 3: Players Association. I saw the proposal that they gave to
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  Speaker 3: the Players Association of why the money that they're receiving
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  Speaker 3: isn't being allocated into into their big league payroll, it's
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  Speaker 3: being allocated into their team. And they were building up assets.
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  Speaker 3: They redid Pirate City down in down In Florida.
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  Speaker 1: While they improved real estate basically.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially improved real estate, which has their you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: an asset that improved. They built a pirate City down
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  Speaker 3: in the dr to improve their Dominican Republic slash Venezuela
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  Speaker 3: and slash Latin American footprint. To grow the team. And
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  Speaker 3: that's how they're going to grow their team, all assets.
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  Speaker 3: That's like said, Yeah, frustrating, it's very frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a wild article to read. How aggressive
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  Speaker 1: if it just became with some of what he said.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you don't see with the CBA fight looming, you
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  Speaker 4: don't usually see one side or the other jump out
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  Speaker 4: this big this early, right, I mean Rob, Rob must
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  Speaker 4: think that he's got the goods on people. You know,
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  Speaker 4: year when because he normally shows up at the players party, is.
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  Speaker 2: He going to show up at the players No doubt.
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  Speaker 1: They'll show up and play it all cordial. It's like
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  Speaker 1: watching some some fancy schmancy show.
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  Speaker 2: I get them to commit on the show again and
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  Speaker 2: coming on.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, he said, I'm in. We went deep into scheduling
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  Speaker 1: and then he.
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  Speaker 2: Was out through seven hundred hoops.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you should trust him. How does a player
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  Speaker 1: react a in a meeting like that? Because we've heard
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  Speaker 1: about these meetings for the last few years where he
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  Speaker 1: rolls in and basically just spits as much game as
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  Speaker 1: possible about how following anything he says will cure all.
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  Speaker 1: Also as if we have like this massive, massive issue,
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  Speaker 1: like the sport is dying. Right, He comes in with
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  Speaker 1: tons of negativity and then b he tells the public
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  Speaker 1: about his plan and how he's trying to play them
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  Speaker 1: like a fiddle. How do players react to this? Are players,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say, does he think players are
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  Speaker 1: this stupid? That's how I want to put it.
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  Speaker 3: There are some players who are that disengaged that he
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  Speaker 3: believes that this will work. Okay. He believes that there
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  Speaker 3: is a discord, there's disconnect from the upper level earners
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  Speaker 3: and the lower level earners. And I would agree that
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  Speaker 3: there's always factions. There's you know, in some of the
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  Speaker 3: other labor strife, there was black players, Latin players, white players.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's high big earners, little earners, rookies, and now
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, Latin American player, whatever it is, there's factions.
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  Speaker 3: And if he feels like he can split those factions
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  Speaker 3: like last year or I mean last CBA, they voted essentially,
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  Speaker 3: the executive board voted, no, we don't want to exit this.
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  Speaker 3: He saw it as a bunch of one hundred million
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  Speaker 3: dollar players that said, no, we don't, we don't want
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  Speaker 3: to accept this. And so he's to me, he's attacking
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  Speaker 3: the disengaged player. He feels a disengaged player or the
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  Speaker 3: uninformed player are the younger players, which really is eighty
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  Speaker 3: five percent.
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  Speaker 2: Of the league.
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  Speaker 3: And he's going, Okay, well I can get you guys
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  Speaker 3: more money. Well, if you're making a million dollars and
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  Speaker 3: he can get you twenty thousand extra, oh okay, well listen. So,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion, the union has to make sure they're
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  Speaker 3: informing and engaging those younger players. Oh wait, they brought
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  Speaker 3: the minor league players into the union already, so they've
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  Speaker 3: been engaging those guys. You're in the minor leagues, you're
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  Speaker 3: starting to hear that stuff. How that goes across, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That is the one thing though, I know we have
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  Speaker 4: to other break but this is the one thing in
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  Speaker 4: this article that I found interesting that he admitted that
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  Speaker 4: only the top players get paid, because.
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  Speaker 2: That's been something I've talked about for years. There's no
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  Speaker 2: middle class.
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  Speaker 4: If you're either really good good you get paid a lot,
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  Speaker 4: or there's a young guy in a rookie or you're
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  Speaker 4: a non roster invite guy, so you have like six
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  Speaker 4: to seven years of big league service time, you can't
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  Speaker 4: get a job because they'd rather pay the seventy eight
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  Speaker 4: hundred thousand to the rookie for a bench guy when
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  Speaker 4: the bench guy's more valuable.
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  Speaker 1: But who created that? Both sides did, right.
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  Speaker 4: Both sides did because they, oh, look at these huge
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  Speaker 4: top salaries Wan Soto show, Hey, Vlad Guerrero, right, but
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  Speaker 4: they don't look at the guy that was that's a
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  Speaker 4: good player that could help a team, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: three four five million dollars, like, oh for that five million.
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  Speaker 4: Because of the GMS and the way they spit numbers out,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, we can get a rookie that are almost
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  Speaker 4: as good, almost as good, but nobody's going to really
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  Speaker 4: notice the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Projected one point one war versus one point three war.
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  Speaker 1: These are the conversation if you.
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  Speaker 4: Look at But if you look at the teams that
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  Speaker 4: are good, they're the teams that have those veteran guys.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously they usually have more money, but those are the
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  Speaker 4: teams that have those veteran The Dodgers, right, they have
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  Speaker 4: they have the key key Hernandez type of guy that
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: can play different positions, it bounce around, right and who another.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the Braves when they won, right, they brought
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  Speaker 4: in those all those outfielders to do specific roles that
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: were a little bit older, but they'd filled roles. You
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  Speaker 4: need those guys because you can't just throw rookies out
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  Speaker 4: there and say, oh, fill in or pinchitty what well,
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  Speaker 4: they've never done it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, that you can't. You can't. We're just gonna
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  Speaker 3: keep doing it because it really doesn't matter to them
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  Speaker 3: to win that. Ultimately, you want to you want to
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  Speaker 3: come onto the player's side with the CBA, like you
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  Speaker 3: want to help the players figure out how to get
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  Speaker 3: all thirty teams to think the same way the players do.
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  Speaker 3: It's to win. I was never gonna get won Soto's money.
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  Speaker 3: I was probably not going to be in the minor
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  Speaker 3: leagues my whole career. So somewhere and there is my earnings.
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  Speaker 3: It is what it is. I wanted to win. Players
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  Speaker 3: want to win. Owners want to make money.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, right, there's some that want to win.
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  Speaker 3: That's where the negotiation needs to start. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to really get on the players side learn what it
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  Speaker 3: means to want to win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I mean I would be firing back
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  Speaker 1: if I'm in the clubhouse and the commissioners talk, It'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, why don't you guys figure out sharing the
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  Speaker 1: money yourself instead of trying to suppress salaries for twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years and get us to hate each other. That's
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  Speaker 1: essentially what he just said. I've been trying to bash
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  Speaker 1: you down, and now you should let me lead you
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  Speaker 1: to another place that will bash you down further, right,
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  Speaker 1: Because also keep in mind the game is changing. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of this is shifting to real estate being the
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  Speaker 1: real profitability of the team. How much is that going
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  Speaker 1: to be shared? None?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: What chan a brain dead claim?
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  Speaker 4: How are you going to get I know we got
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  Speaker 4: to go, but Rob Manford, how are you going to
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: get the Yankees? You have Yes Network, Cubs have Marquis Red,
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  Speaker 4: Sox have Nessing, Dodgers have sports at LA. Are you
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  Speaker 4: going to get them to give that up and say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna go into a centralized TV deal where we're
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: all gonna split it When way more people watch the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 4: the Cubs, the Mets take.
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  Speaker 1: It a step further half the teams on tons of
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  Speaker 1: real estate all around, and none of that is going
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  Speaker 1: to go into this. You can't even quantify that. You're
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do, Oh, this restaurant, we're auditing
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  Speaker 1: their profit that's going into your profit sharing. That is
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  Speaker 1: not happening. That's a zero.
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  Speaker 3: Memorabilia is over a one billion dollar industry game. US
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  Speaker 3: memorabilia players get zero. It okay, just another example.
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  Speaker 1: Outrageous quotes in here. It's it's very much worth a read.
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  Speaker 1: He takes like really really hard shots at the players
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  Speaker 1: in the players' union and then kind of finishes it
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  Speaker 1: with over the last twenty years, the slowest growing salaries
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  Speaker 1: among the four major leagues four major professional sport baseball.
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  Speaker 1: He says, when I make that point to the players,
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's a failure on our part. So what
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  Speaker 4: Those are hot seven in a row side that that's
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: that's fine. When we had Jim Bowden on this might
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  Speaker 4: switch them from buyers and sellers.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And the White Sox beat the Giants two out of three, and.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: The Giants got swept by the Marlins and then lost
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: two out of three. That this is upset week.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: This is not good.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Tough week. Also for betters who like to fade the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: bad teams school.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: If you didn't see him last.
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  Speaker 1: Night, oh my gosh, they talking trash eight of the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: first nine.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you see him talking trash, the bucks and bucks
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  Speaker 3: But it was.
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  Speaker 1: Twins also are a team that so I think should sell.
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  Speaker 2: So right, they're not catching the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: They're not sorry, they're starting pitching crumbled this month over.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: If they don't, If they don't sell, I mean they're
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: gonna basically run the same team back again next year.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: It hasn't proven right for the last two years.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Time to switch things up. This is the time right
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: where the buyers.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: It's a seller's market if you get the right if
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: he has the right pieces, yeah, I mean some stuff
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: for some guys.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: There's a few, including obviously Duran who still has years left.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Jackson Jackson jack They were willing to move one of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: their starters. They could get some stuff too.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this could be that kind of time. Can
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: we show this graphic of James Wood and Taoscar Hernandez.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Obviously you have the crowd out there that's disappointed with
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: how some of the voting went with the All Star process,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and James Wood is having a year. Also, yesterday he
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: got intentionally walked four times, getting the Barry Bonds treatment.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: He's got better numbers than to Ascar Hernandez. Tayo had
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a big season last year with the Dodgers, part of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the World Series winning team. You're gonna get out voted on.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There's a problem.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Don't get mad at the All Star voting because it
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: comes down to fans, and the fans have to vote
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: more people, sorry to say it, pay attention to the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Dodgers and what Tayo did last last year than what
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: James will just done. Now, James Wood's gonna go out
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: in a great career. But here's the thing, he'll get
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: in who eventually get in. But here's the thing with Tayo,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: He's also the All Star Game is also a reward
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: for sometimes what you did last year. It doesn't There
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: are many times where guys got into the Ulstar Game
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: of starters voted in because they had a good year
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: of the year before and had nothing to do with
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: the year they're having that year.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: The Star Game to me is they're like, oh, you're
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a seven time. Also we're like, eh, I mean it's cool.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: But also there are times where certain guys should have
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: got in and other guys got in.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It all the time, all the time. Every year we
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: talk about snubs or a guy that should have made
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it and didn't. I mean, Francisco Lindor has finished what
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: top five MVP years. He's had great years the last
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: few years with the Mets, and I think this will
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: be the first year that he gets in with them, which, hey,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. But also there's a popularity
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: contest to it. People know they don't know James Wood exactly.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Year spreading rumors were about a month away from the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: trade deadline and we might add Luis Severino's name to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the list for a ball club. It's complicated, but USA
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: today is Bob Nightingale essentially that the A's cannot wait
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to trade him. Months after signing him, they cannot wait
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to trade him. And Luis has been very vocal, very
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: transparent about how he does not like organization in the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: way that the setup is. He went from the bougie
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Mets to the minor league ballpark A's and he knew it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: He signed a three year, sixty seven million dollar contract.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: He's got a player option on that third year, so
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: he was well aware of what he was getting himself into.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think he was. No, I think you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: wrong about well. I think really I didn't think he
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: thought it would be just bad. I thought, I don't.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know if he took a
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: visit there before he signed. He did they well, they
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: did at Cutterfield that he did his press conference.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he'd already agreed by that point.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, flunk your own physical to get out
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, though, what he says, though, it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: not the same. We don't have a lot of fans,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: which they don't. They're not drawing.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Neither did Oakland Fair for that big at.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Least was a big stadium, and it felt like a
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: big league park, right, and then you go our clubhouses
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: in left field, which is a pain in the ass.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: People can say, oh, it's a big leagues. It's a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Players go in the clubhouse all the time, trust me,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: especially pitchers. Pitchers go up there and sit in.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: The air conditioning between innings and do things.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: And players go up there all the time, and so
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: don't give me. The players sit and dug out, some
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: players sitting and dug out more than others.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. And then the other thing is.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Sacramento is getting played on every single day when they
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: go on the road. The A's go on the road,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the Giants, Triple A comes into place, the field is
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: getting beat up. How many pitchers have complained about the mound.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: It's just it's a minor league park. I'm sorry. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the difference of people say what about Steinbreder that's the
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Yankees park, the Yankees versus the Athletics and even the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Giants to an extent, and Triple A are gonna spend
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: more money to make Steinbrender field because the Yankees want
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the best of the best. So Savarino played for the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yankees in Steinbanner, he knows what it's like. Then he
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: played for the Mets. They're spending money on everything, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: then he goes to the A's that are like, eh,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get by in Triple A.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: For But nothing that you just said is something that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I was unaware of, and that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But he didn't know it was going to be this bad.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: You don't know the extent of it because we're talking
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: about little things that really make you. He never threw
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a pitch. Nobody threw a pitch on that mound, which
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: has come out to say, Uh, Pablo probably hurt his arm.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler said he had to throw all arm. You
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: didn't know that the air conditioning in the locker room
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: wasn't going to work. You didn't know what that walk
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: from left field is. Least Everena has been a big
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: leader for a long time to say you're going back
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: to a minor league field, How bad could it actually be? Like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: teams don't totally understand unless you talk to another player.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Players talk all the time. Hey, what's it like to
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: be with the Marlins? Well, you know what, we don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: have TV or air conditioning on our team plane. Here's
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: a picture of here's a picture of me and Yelli
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: sweating with our shirts off on the actual team flight
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: with Marlin. WHOA, I don't want to go there, but
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: we love this manager. Whatever he did not know. You
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: can't know the little things that make one hundred and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: sixty two games a grind, that make every seven days
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: when you're like, we're going back home a grind. And clearly,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: based on his numbers, he's feeling that, and the and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the A's want to trade him because they did. The
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: only reason they signed him was so they could get
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to their mandatory minimum threshold. Yes they were. They were
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: told to spend the league's money, which they were given,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: and they did, and they said, see we did it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Now let's trade them. We'll go get another guy, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: we're just going to keep checking all our boxes until
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: we can sell the team when we move it to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing you have to understand. Also, road teams
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: going there for three games, you can get through anything
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: for three days. I'm sorry, you can get through.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: But they got it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: They know not only they're this year, they're their next
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: year and the year after that and maybe longer on
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: how construction goes. So it's a different grind. That's why
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the raised situation is different. Again, they're only there for
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: one year. They're like, okay, we can get through this
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: one year. And again they have every I know Major
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: League Baseball tried to make Sacramento as good as they can,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: but the Yankees have had this infrastructure in there for
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: years to make their place the best. And to be
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: honest with you, the Ras are still in their general
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: area of Tampa Bay, so they still get fit. They
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: they're for the size of that stadium. They packed that stadium.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that I feel
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: like it was pretty obvious Age overpaid to go somewhere.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Didn't know would be this bad. You can't little There's
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: an old thing in baseball. Little things equal big things, right,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: So the more little things that get on his nerve
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: like oh the mound, this, the arens, just then it
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: turns into man, this place sucks, and then it turns
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: into this. You know, crowds like little things that up
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: to huge things.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: You're there every day, every day for hours.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I actually think him speaking out is smart. If he
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't say anything, you kind of skate by and maybe
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get dealt right. This gives first of all,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: proof on the A side, if there's a grievance, they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: can say this guy desperately wanted out. We have it
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: documented he essentially demanded the trade without demanding one. Right now,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it's gonna get tricky. They're gonna have to eat some
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: money right now. I mean, the market wasn't going to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: pay him at that level, So they're going to have
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to eat some money to accomplish a trade. But he
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: could help some teams. I would trade for Luis Severino
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: with the work that he's put together on the road too,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Sign me up. So don't you think it's smart for
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: him to be a little vocal about it if he
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: is pissed, Yes, because then it does give him a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: chance to get moved. If he doesn't say anything, he's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: probably not going to get moved.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So there's a reputation portion of this where a lot
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of people are looking at the case being like, dude,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: stop whining. You got sixty seven million bucks to go
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: over there. But he's got nothing to lose by saying something, right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you have to what's the worst case? What's the worst
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that happens? He doesn't get traded, they put him on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the aisle and he doesn't pitch.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not gonna avoid his contract, They're not
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: gonna nothing's gonna happen, and he has enough of reputation
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: going into this a great dude, hard worker.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Mets would take him back, not for the same money,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: though it won't be the same money, right you're saying
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: some money back. Matts could definitely use him, and I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: think he would thrive there. Yankees, maybe plenty of teams
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: could use the Luis s Everinadris.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Said some things. He said some things.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Padres leaving the Yankees. He'd likes to talk. He's a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: good guy. We've had him on our show in Arizona.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Guys should have been there.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, Marcus Stroman said some things and he's on
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the Yankees.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They can't move him.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, even before he arrived. Before he arrived,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: remember that he said something. It was him and Cashman
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: had some beef because.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: He wasn't player. Savarino was a player on the Yankees.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Left and said, well, these guys are doing this differently.
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  Speaker 1: you guys see Max Kepler over the weekend voicing his
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  Speaker 1: frustration about playing time. So you got a response from
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Rob Thompson as well, talking about how you know, they
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have played him a lot. But the case from Kepler
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  Speaker 1: is that in the off season they told him he
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  Speaker 1: would play every day, and after I'm exaggerating a little cratz,
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  Speaker 1: but after like a week, they basically just said we're
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: platooning him and he's not going to hit against lefties.
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  Speaker 3: He say, but he's not.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: He's not playing well in general this year. He said
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: over the weekend, Hey, I'm not used to sitting like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: this in my career. Should I go on?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Continue?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And he had a stretch coming up where he's sitting
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: four in a row stuff like that. He's like, I've
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: never done that. And I was told that I was
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: going to play every day, and now I'm getting platooned
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: pretty much from the jump of the season.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Hmmm. So not playing every day is tough. Don't go ahead, continue,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: no doubt.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Not playing every day is tough from what I've heard.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But can we go back a step if if you
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: did tell a player, hey, come here, we're going to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: play every day, we don't think you're a platoon player,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: which actually, on the record, they did say over the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: offseason we don't consider him a platoon player. We want
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: him to play every day.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: But then your numbers are what your numbers are, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: they're like.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: You know what, change your minds.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But the way they pivoted fast though, they they gave
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: him like a week, they gave him like three games,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and then they were like, nope, not hitting against them.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: They want to win, they want to win the division.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I agree. I'm just stating his case, like should he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: should he shut up?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: He no, I would never tell somebody to shut up,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: but I would tell somebody from.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: What they told him and they recruited. Is I'm just
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: throwing the case out there. This is not my call.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, he feels dupe, that's fair. You can say that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You can say that, but he also knows that what
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: did you say two o seven two O seven eight
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: two o seven in it? You want that to go up,
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  Speaker 3: or you want your playing time to go up? Make
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that go up? Outo Kemp has historically hit lefties in
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the minor leagues. Well, so their predisposed idea is, you
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: know what, We're gonna start moving him to left field.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: See if you can stay when Harper comes back. Recently,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: because Auto Kemp's been playing first base, there's a chance
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Otto Kemp starts taking some of those lefty at bats.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: This has been a struggle for the Phillies. Left field
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: slash center field is how to get offense consistently nine
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: in and nine out. And they were hoping Max Kepler
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: was gonna be that guy. But Max Kepler also has
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to understand he came up with the Twins. He saw
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: guys with the Twins that get money. Just keep playing
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the Phillies. You get money, that's just gonna keep throwing
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you out there. They're gonna try to find somebody else
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that's gonna do it. And maybe that means Rob Thompson
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: has to mix and match. It just hasn't It just
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: hasn't happened.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a good track record against left handed pitching. Anyway,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it happens fast. What where they say, hey, we're plataining you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, especially in a big market and a team that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: has other options. Guess what. It happens fast.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: His argument would be a chance, But.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: They let go back and look your track records. So
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: we're doing the same thing you've done your whole career.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: It's not good enough. We thought you could help, you'd
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: be better, and you're not time to go.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But he's saying, we just had a conversation before I
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: signed where I chose to sign here. Obviously you got money,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but he's like, you told me I would play every day,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and I assume that if I can't hit lefties, I'm
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: gonna get sat eventually. But five minutes, how.
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  Speaker 2: Soon happens fast.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Everybody gets some of Pete or nobody knows who pet
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Or is Canadian Canadian, he said, everybody, and it was
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: a great quote. Everybody gets an opportunity. You just don't
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: know when your opportunity is. And everybody's opportunity is a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: different size. Max Kepler's track record coming in, he didn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: hit lefties very well. You know what you have to do.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: You have to smash lefties right away, and starting in
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: spring training. That's what I'm saying right away. I'm not
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: talking about like even if you're facing number ninety eight
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: as a left handed as a left handed batter is
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: a left handed pitcher in spring training, they're watching it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: The first impressions are tough, tough to kill when you
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: already have that predisposed idea coming in. This guy doesn't
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: hit left as well, okay, so he has to it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: It's a playoff team. He gets hot a couple games
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: against a lefty, he might find himself in there more.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: They're looking for options. They're not saying you're not the option.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: They're saying, we want somebody to step up.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're on the phillies. They don't have time
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to experiment that part. Get all right, people, let's slap
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: first off, same lit day here on FT. We've got
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Dodger's territory, We've got Baseball America Hot Sheet, We've got
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Trevor May's May Day, and then the FT YouTube channel
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: will be hot for our poker live stream with all
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of our friends joining us. There you go, there's Trevor
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  Speaker 1: who sent me a text this morning with a screenshot
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  Speaker 1: of the article that we addressed at the top of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the show. Someone is excited to talk about that particular
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: article and he's had more time to digest it than us.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So it's uh brob Manfred tells all on his strategy
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  Speaker 1: to dupe the world. And then Hot Sheet also, there
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  Speaker 1: you go. I won't be on today because we'll be
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: handling poker action here, but we're getting close to draft time,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: so Baseball America is all over it. And lastly, with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: our final minute, here as a fan I've been interacting
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: with on socials and his family reached out and wanted
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to just give him a shout out. Alex going through
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: his tenth cancer treatment, coming up on his birthday on
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: July ninth, and just wanted to shout him out and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: give him love. And he's the fam said, it's definitely
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: been helpful to have fte on goofing around in the background.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So there's a picture of Alex and some of the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: stuff they sent our way. Alex, were thinking about you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and happy birthday coming up to crush it man have cancer?
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: True?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, good birthdays today. By the way, what else
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: good birthdays? Trey Turner Crat's his favorite Kody Ashy.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Toy ash already texted him, Wow. Kind of a tough
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: year with being the hitting coach with the Orioles, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: he's grinding through.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. One day to forget about that.
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