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Geoff Schwartz on NFL training camps, Spencer Fano's fight with Jared Verse a good thing (?), Importance of nastiness in OL + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: NFL expert, former Oregon Duck. Longtime NFL veteran as well.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz joins us on the show. Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: What's important that happened last week? Was was PFL Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, PFL Charlotte, That's right, PFL Sharott on Friday night,
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  Speaker 2: which Jeff and I have been friends for a decade now,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that was like the the ninth time
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  Speaker 2: we've been in the same room together, which is which
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  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite things about how well we
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  Speaker 2: know each other and how much we talk. Actually being
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  Speaker 2: in the same physical location is such a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And twice in one day, I think twice the
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  Speaker 3: one day my part of the whole thing was like
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  Speaker 3: when I walked up to you while in between fights
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  Speaker 3: to say hi, and your producer was like, you know, Sean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm just palling his name out for fun,
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  Speaker 3: Like like no, he was like, not about to let
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  Speaker 3: me meet you. He's not like a star crazed fan
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  Speaker 3: who's just trying to need the TfL boys.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, there are a lot of people that that
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  Speaker 2: are doing that, that are trying to jump the barrier
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  Speaker 2: just to get a picture with me.
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  Speaker 4: So I got eli. I want to stopped you. He
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  Speaker 4: would have he's one third year size, but he would
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  Speaker 4: have stopped you somehow.
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  Speaker 3: But it was good seeing you. The fights will go
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man. Look, I'm not an NMA person,
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  Speaker 3: but the PFL that I don't know if this is
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  Speaker 3: with other MMA events, I don't know, like if it
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  Speaker 3: just like a but like there it goes NonStop, like
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  Speaker 3: you get there and they fight. The longest breach you
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  Speaker 3: ever have are only because a fight is shorter, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like it was one fight that went like ninety seconds.
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then like that you know, then like there's a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: you know about ten minute break. But if a fight
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  Speaker 3: goes all three round, The next fight starts like ninety seconds,
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  Speaker 3: the walkouts happen. Yeah, it just goes the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's awesome, it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone should get to a live fight night whenever they
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  Speaker 2: have a chance. Hopefully we'll have a PFL event here
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  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake again soon. The UFC just announced that
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  Speaker 2: they're coming back in October. But don't don't buy tickets
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  Speaker 2: to that people, all right, that's uh, that's the competition.
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  Speaker 2: While while we were, you know, doing the whole fight
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  Speaker 2: thing in Charlotte, I was watching Trey Camp videos from
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  Speaker 2: all over the place, and I want to start here
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  Speaker 2: with you because I started the show with this. Spencer
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  Speaker 2: Fano and Jared Verse got into a little scuffle at
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  Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown's practice, and for me, I love to see
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  Speaker 2: it because there's this There's always been kind of a
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  Speaker 2: question about Spencer Fono.
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  Speaker 4: He's a very smooth player.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great athlete, and there was if there was
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  Speaker 2: anything that followed him around, is like, but he does this?
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  Speaker 2: Is he nasty enough? Is he mean enough to be
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  Speaker 2: an elite offensive lineman? And that was something that you
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  Speaker 2: could kind of get away from in college football. He
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  Speaker 2: certainly didn't have to be his meanest self in high
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  Speaker 2: school football because he was so much more athletic than
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people. And I know that one fight
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  Speaker 2: in training camp with a teammate doesn't answer that question fully,
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  Speaker 2: but but how important is it for an offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 2: especially a prospect on the offensive line, to kind of
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  Speaker 2: be willing to and to show that part of his
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  Speaker 2: game at the NFL level where maybe that is the
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  Speaker 2: one question should you have about his game?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So while you talked about this, because I I
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  Speaker 3: don't think fighting makes you. It's a football player in general, right,
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  Speaker 3: And there's a momer reason first fights. Like I think
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  Speaker 3: if you're fighting the first day in training camp, you
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  Speaker 3: don't know how to practice. That's the Bengals fought first thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is like you know, and right now
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  Speaker 3: you have joint practice, Like there's five fights today in
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  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay, New York's a sweet right now from a
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  Speaker 3: Niners BT writer, there's some four fights and Niners ians
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  Speaker 3: practice so far like that to me is lame, like
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  Speaker 3: what what what do we? What do we? You don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to practice? Right Sean. Okay, However, however, I
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  Speaker 3: do think there are important times when fighting is okay, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like I thought the defense for no fight, you don't
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  Speaker 3: you want to be able to You don't want to
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  Speaker 3: be able to take it right. You have to be
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  Speaker 3: able to to not you know, to push back right,
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  Speaker 3: to not get punked. And so there are a certain
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  Speaker 3: opportunities to happen. If it leads to a fight, it
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  Speaker 3: leads to a f right, and I think those are
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  Speaker 3: import opportunity. It doesn't make you a tough guy, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not to show that you're willing to give it back, right.
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  Speaker 3: And that thing you gave respect from the veterans, right,
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  Speaker 3: and he gave respect by by by pushing back a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. So I like that from Spencer for now.
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  Speaker 3: If it happened every day, I'd probably be like, bro,
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  Speaker 3: you're doing a little too much, you know, and you
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  Speaker 3: know fights you need injuries too, and like that's part
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  Speaker 3: of why you don't want to fight much, you know.
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  Speaker 3: In that clip, I think he had his helmet off correct,
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  Speaker 3: No was on, it was on. Okay, yeah, okay, look
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  Speaker 3: like you guys take their helmet off and throw punches
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  Speaker 3: with their fists. It's in the helmets. It's it can
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  Speaker 3: be bad. So Okay. I generally think fighting is what overrated.
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  Speaker 3: I started to fighting one time to get on my
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  Speaker 3: on my coaches to his side.
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  Speaker 4: And didn't work very well.
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  Speaker 3: I never told you the story, did I want you
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  Speaker 3: want to hear this?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? I want to hear this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So in twenty eleven we had a new coaching staff.
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  Speaker 3: Robin Rick came in an offensive line coach. His name
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  Speaker 3: was John Matskow and John and I, personality wise, cannot
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  Speaker 3: be two different people. But he actually was a very
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  Speaker 3: good coach, but just personality, man, he was just rough
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  Speaker 3: around the edges and he's old school coach. He loved fights.
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  Speaker 3: He loved it, dude, like he wanted to fight every day.
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  Speaker 3: He was like all about it. And so I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: playing very well in training camp and come to fight out.
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  Speaker 3: I had a hit injury and that's why I actually
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  Speaker 3: had two hip surgeries that season and miss twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm in training camp and I'm not playing well.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna start a
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  Speaker 3: fight to get the coach's good side, all right, So
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  Speaker 3: I started a fight. Dan Connor was our linebacker. I
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  Speaker 3: shoved him late. He showed me from behind, and we
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  Speaker 3: started to fight. And during the fight, I got tackled
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  Speaker 3: from behind. He was just a big like you know,
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  Speaker 3: he saw the reverse fight like everyone's on the ground, right,
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  Speaker 3: like you're on the ground. And I got hit in
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  Speaker 3: the face from someone while I was laying on the ground,
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  Speaker 3: and I got like I got like a little bloody
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  Speaker 3: eye or something. And Merath is still upset about it.
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  Speaker 3: She's still like so upset at like, don't hit me
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  Speaker 3: in the face. She's still like if you ask her
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  Speaker 3: at to this day, she's like, screw Dan Connor, just
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  Speaker 3: like she's so angry about it, which is so funny
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  Speaker 3: because she just can't wait to punch him on any
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  Speaker 3: opportunity available to her. So, so, okay, here's agree that
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  Speaker 3: that's not the that's not the part that's like really crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So get into the team meeting all right with John
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  Speaker 3: Matt's film and along meeting that day after practice. And
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  Speaker 3: you know this, some people want to know this. When
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  Speaker 3: they show practice film, they don't show the fights. Right,
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  Speaker 3: they have an old film, but they don't show it. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So when you watch a practice play, the play happens
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  Speaker 3: and then cuts off and goes next play so all
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  Speaker 3: you see on the on the video is I shoved
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  Speaker 3: Dan Connor late. I turned my back and he shoves
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  Speaker 3: me in the back and the practice clip ends. Guy
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  Speaker 3: John Mascow laid into me and ms me sean for
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  Speaker 3: like five minutes about being soft and not fighting Dan Connor.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, he didn't like he wasn't there at practice. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't actually know the fight happened.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, No, he did. He late like like he used
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  Speaker 3: the five letter P word like he dude, he ms
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  Speaker 3: me like, this is all what we do in the
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  Speaker 3: Camelon Panthus we fight guys if they want to, like
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  Speaker 3: just like dude, like I was. I was so angry,
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  Speaker 3: was almost in tears. Okay, so after the meeting was over,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, hey, Schwartz, just stay here for a second.
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  Speaker 3: He did like the like the elbow grab like the
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  Speaker 3: like like kind of like drop my elbow. Was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: just let you know. I knew you fought him, but
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  Speaker 3: I need to fire up the group. Buddy.
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  Speaker 4: He was used.
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  Speaker 2: He was using it as an example, trying he was
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  Speaker 2: just berating you to try to get everyone else excited.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I fought you fought him, but I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: To like.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I was. I would have ever been angry in
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  Speaker 3: my life like dead Sara too. I was so angry,
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  Speaker 3: so angry, it was all but I've never been more
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  Speaker 3: upset in my life. I never then I never find
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  Speaker 3: anyone after that.
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  Speaker 4: That is terrible. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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  Speaker 3: Fighting as tiring, dude, Yes it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so come and find out my thumb doesn't work
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  Speaker 3: properly when I punch someone.
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  Speaker 4: I just can't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not fighting.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody can't make a fist. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Ron McBride, the legendary of Utah coach who ended up
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  Speaker 2: being my coach at Weaver State when I transferred there.
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  Speaker 2: He would do this thing where if if you fought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you have like one little altercation of practice, fine,
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  Speaker 2: if it kept going, if you did it again, he
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  Speaker 2: would just stop practice and let you fight, and really,
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  Speaker 2: invariably you just wear yourselves out.
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  Speaker 4: Right, he'd just be like, okay, fine, tough guys.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and then you just at both parties involved in
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  Speaker 2: the fight, just get exhausted, and then he's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: feel good. Now let's practice. And now your whole practice
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  Speaker 2: has ruined because you spent all your energy fighting and
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  Speaker 2: there's no energy management like when you do your reps
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  Speaker 2: right when you're playing a sport, you're like your body
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  Speaker 2: has muscle memory and you know how to like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pushing for this in football, this five six seconds
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  Speaker 2: and then I get like twenty seconds to recover whatever.
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  Speaker 2: People don't know how to manage their energy in fights.
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  Speaker 2: Football players don't, and so it's just like all out
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  Speaker 2: war for however long your body goes, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: done the rest of the practice. So that was how
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  Speaker 2: he managed it, which was hilarious. The only the two
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  Speaker 2: times that I saw it wasn't involved myself.
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  Speaker 3: It's so interesting, like like the coaches don't tell you
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  Speaker 3: not to fight, not not John Maxkill, but like most
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  Speaker 3: of you know, we don't want you to fight for
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  Speaker 3: many reasons right that it just ruins practice, like it
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  Speaker 3: just takes away time from practice too, you get tired.
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  Speaker 3: But then they secretly sort of do want you to
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  Speaker 3: fight to show some like a little bit of fire.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like one of those things where I
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  Speaker 3: remember in college I started to fight and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know the fight I started like gold on coach like
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  Speaker 3: gave me a wink, like before he sent us to
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  Speaker 3: go run stadium steps like like it's like, it's good
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  Speaker 3: you do it, but it ruins practice, so don't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Please back to the point. Yeah, he gave me a wink,
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  Speaker 3: it was like, and then we ran and went stairs
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  Speaker 3: stadium steps. We were off to that day in full paths.
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  Speaker 3: So that was fun. But like it like coach sort
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  Speaker 3: of wants you to fight, but don't want you to fight.
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  Speaker 3: So but look, there's there's coaches in the NFL that
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  Speaker 3: Amy Reid and the Chiefs had never done a joint
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  Speaker 3: practice and we'll never do one because he can't stand
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  Speaker 3: the idea of losing practice time to fights.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, part of what makes him so great. So
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of cool. Uh. By the way, I have
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  Speaker 4: to I have to say this. I hate to be
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  Speaker 4: this guy, but I have to do this because.
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  Speaker 2: Bingham Fano, who is is Spencer Fano's dad. They were
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  Speaker 2: they talked about the fight on the Pat McAfee show
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  Speaker 2: and and the dad went on social media and said
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  Speaker 2: it's Fano because they kept saying Fan and he said, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you say our name Fano.
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  Speaker 4: He gave the Pat.
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  Speaker 2: McAfee show the phonetic pronunciation the wag of the finger
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  Speaker 2: at the Pat McAfee show. It's not Fano, it's Fano,
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  Speaker 2: So you have to say it right from now on.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well I always said it right.
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  Speaker 4: You say for that's wrong, Fano is incorrect, Fano is correct.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't say it both ways.
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  Speaker 4: Over a couple of years, you probably have, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: As long as we're on the fighting, did Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 2: Matt Crosby fight suspended from practice?
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  Speaker 4: Kind of a deal was that?
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  Speaker 2: Was that Koobe actors being like, yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 2: see Fernanda Mendozo.
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  Speaker 4: What was that?
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  Speaker 3: This is that thing right where like a coach is
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  Speaker 3: probably half today thought but like doesn't want it to
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  Speaker 3: ruin practice. My guess is that he had already schedule
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  Speaker 3: an off day for both those guys the next day
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  Speaker 3: and use this as a way to like tell the team, like,
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  Speaker 3: we're not doing fighting in practice. That's my conspiracy. Take
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  Speaker 3: on it and off day for both those guys, and
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  Speaker 3: use this as an opportunity to reiterate you know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna guys if you fight, and look, I can
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  Speaker 3: even do Max Crosby, I could vetge Kirk Cousins. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that that was part of it. They that
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  Speaker 3: would be a very harsh punishment for your two best players,
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  Speaker 3: essentially to miss a day at practice for a fight.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard a lot of hot takes on it,
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  Speaker 2: like it was a bad thing because now the other
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  Speaker 2: veterans are gonna be like, all I got to do
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  Speaker 2: is get in a fight to get a rest day
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  Speaker 2: at practice. And I've never been involved in that level
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  Speaker 2: of you know, football and the politicking that happens for
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  Speaker 2: rest days for the vets and things like that, So
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  Speaker 2: I found it interesting that they they send a message
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  Speaker 2: that way, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's my guests are off day, and they use this
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to reiterate no fights in practice policy.
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  Speaker 4: Fair enough, all right.
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  Speaker 2: The ESPN dot Com put out a sort of cost
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  Speaker 2: list for what each position costs in college football right now,
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  Speaker 2: and there's obviously out there's obviously outliers here. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you've taken taken a look at this in
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  Speaker 2: depth or anything, but you know, it's like running backs
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  Speaker 2: are three to eight hundred thousand, wide receiver are four
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand, two million tight ends are three to six
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand offensive tackles. This is where it's interesting to
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  Speaker 2: me because the range of the salary range.
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  Speaker 4: Again, this is typical range.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not the outliers, it's not the the best
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  Speaker 2: in the business type guys. It's not what Fano and
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  Speaker 2: Lomu were at Utah last year. But six hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: to one point two million dollars for offensive tackles, four
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand to eight hundred thousand for guards and centers.
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  Speaker 2: So the disparity between tackles and interior defensive lineman might
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  Speaker 2: not be as big in college football as it is
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. But your thoughts on those numbers, because
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  Speaker 2: you got to fill out it's five guys. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like you pay your quarterback one million dollars and then
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  Speaker 2: you're done there.
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  Speaker 4: You got to pay a whole offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: So we have these new eligibilia. Are you five for
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  Speaker 3: five in college football? Now? Right in college you know,
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  Speaker 3: and there are a lot of people I'm back for
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  Speaker 3: a fifth year that they didn't get that fifth year
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  Speaker 3: at the school that you were previously fat. I never
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  Speaker 3: forgot my fifth year. Show I want to play four years.
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  Speaker 3: So the argument ORGU would have me back for five
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, I do it? R grand, Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: I come back. I come back to school for that much.
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  Speaker 3: My buddy Duke said it would take six months of training,
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  Speaker 3: stem cells and steroids. So yes, yeah, peptize instead. I
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  Speaker 3: know you love peptide, so it would also instead.
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  Speaker 4: It would also cancel your NFL pension if you went
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  Speaker 4: back to school.
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  Speaker 3: Oh what No, I'm not doing that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that time.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, look, it's it feels like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money, right, And I said this for a while,
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  Speaker 3: like it's like it's sort of like not our money
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  Speaker 3: right to be upset about that. I'm not spending money
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  Speaker 3: on organ Organs team. You're not spending on Utah's team.
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  Speaker 3: But it does really show to show you the disparity,
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  Speaker 3: like it hasn have nots right, You're paying top dollar
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  Speaker 3: for all these guys. You got to be able to
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  Speaker 3: afford it. You just have to. And that's such a
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  Speaker 3: big difference. And who can afford it, who can't afford it?
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: And you know who's who's going to really afford paying
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Let's just use the middle. It's gonna afford pay one
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: point five million a year the three interior offensive linemen.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Now a law schools can do that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like eight schools that can do that over
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and over and over again.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: And well it's not just a one year investment, it's
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: every year investment, right, Like there are plenty of schools
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: that get one or two year investments, but then to
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: get year three and year four because if you don't win,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: are Buechers gonna want to pay a year in a
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: year out for a football team?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the answer to that's probably no, But
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: we'll find out because we're getting we're getting i think
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: now within the nil era because you know this has
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: been going on for what six seven years now where
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you can legally do this, We're getting to that return
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: on investment conversation with people who I mean, billionaires are
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: probably not asking for a return on investment, but the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: other like big money boosters might be starting to take
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: a look at the balance sheet and being like, we're
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: not really getting what we wanted out of this. So
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: usually like three, five, ten years is the most that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you're going to to give to this kind of experimental investment,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: if we want to call it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: That last thing before.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I let you go, because I know you and I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: both love to laugh about the way that things are
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: being done at Colorado right now.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: How many guys.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: At Oregon did you play with that were listed on
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the roster at one hundred and seventy pounds or less
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in big time college football?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Oh? Zero, There's probably one or two on the roster
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: that were like one seventy right maybe.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: At the moment, look at I'm sure you can look at.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we can look it up.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was. I don't it was many
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: like ten.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you how many how
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: many guys one seventy or less do you think are
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: on the Colorado roster right now?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I think it's like ten, it's thirteen.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: They have two guys that are listening in the They
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: have two guys listened in the one forties.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Wait, no, yes, dude, I.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Just as other coach would be like, like, pull up
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: on game day, we'll see who's the bigger team.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Just like you know.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: To me, there are teams and and anthonies and sports
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that are really too online, right Sean. They're way too
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: focused on the online discourse. The WNBA number one problem
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: right now is they're way too focused on what's been
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: said about them on the internet. They just are It's
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: it's wild to be like it's such a small fraction
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: of your fan base, of your consumers, your focus. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I think Colorado is like way too focused on social media,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Like who cares for the hick you're small? Just be like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: we'll see when we play week one, or just ignore it,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Like do you Oregon or Utah Georgia? Would their OC
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: be like, well see when you pull up to play us? No,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: just would be like, all right, well whatever you think, man,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: we'll see you. We'll see you this season. I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Colorado sometimes it's just weigh too online.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Do we give him more credit because they have an
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: equal number of players over three hundred pounds? Well, they
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: actually have twelve guys over three hundred pounds and thirteen
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: guys one hundred and seventy pounds or less. So does
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it balance out in the end?
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I guess I know, the biggest guy on the biggest
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: guy on Colorado's rosters three hundred and eighty pounds and
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the smallest guys one hundred and forty poun that's got
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to be the biggest swing in all of college football.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's no way, it's not right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: No, he's a DV.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: He's a junior defensive back. That's the thing that's crazy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He's not a freshman.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: That's small.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Dude, five eight.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Is tiny, and then five nine Ernest Campbell five nine
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: five also a junior.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Like Norman Schwartz is going to be there in two years.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Dude, Jeff Schwartz was there when he was six years old.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, that's that's shocking. I didn't know. Wow. Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that they were they were little. Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It just feels perpetionally. They're just too online for me, Colorado.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: They're too worried about social media, trowbout social media says
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and thinks about them, and that's just about like how
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: they actually are playing and you know, shoving the team.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're overtime, so I gotta let you go.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: But thanks for jumping on again today. We'll be checking
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in with Jeff throughout the college and NFL football seasons
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: because he's a good friend like that, and he's willing
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: to join me on the show.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Thanks Bud.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: All right, buddy, take care of who we can former.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Oregon Duck, Carolina Panther, New York Giant Kansas City chief
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Jeff played almost a decade in the NFL.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Big thanks to him for hopping on