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Detroit Tigers Enter Relief Market · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen
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Speaker 1: Sechley with me is always a man who will never
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Speaker 1: be the one no vote on the Hall of Fame ballot.
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Speaker 1: He is Cody staved Hagen.
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Speaker 2: How you doing do being good? Karen?
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Speaker 3: For the record, I do not have a Hall of
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Speaker 3: Fame vote yet, but I look forward today I get
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Speaker 3: a vote. It's obviously an honor and I like the
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame discussions. I've said it before, it is
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Speaker 3: so ridiculous that Mariano Rivera, a closer, is the only
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Speaker 3: unanimous guy.
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Speaker 2: But to get past that, players like.
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Speaker 3: Each row who deserve to be unanimous, Like, we just
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Speaker 3: gotta start all voting for these guys. Who cares that
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Speaker 3: Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous That we can all agree that
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Speaker 3: was stupid. So to do away with stupid president precedent,
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Speaker 3: we should start voting for these guys in unanimous fashion,
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Speaker 3: which I guess is hard when they are like four
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Speaker 3: hundred people.
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Speaker 2: But it's my.
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Speaker 1: Takemuse you was in the first ballot, no one should
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Speaker 1: be all right. Well, and if we were gonna give
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame Award for topics on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: It would be Alex Bregman first ballot, unanimous, no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it. We have like another week cody of technically
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Speaker 1: nothing happening, but it seems like based on when you're
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Speaker 1: reading between the lines and the people that are reporting
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Speaker 1: on it, it does at least seem like the fire
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Speaker 1: is being stoked a little bit behind the scenes on Bregman,
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Speaker 1: what he wants and then what teams are willing to offer.
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Speaker 1: We get the same teams are connected to him. But
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Speaker 1: the big thing this week is there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: buzz over down deep in the heart of Texas, Houston,
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Speaker 1: back in the mix. Where do we start here with Bregman?
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Speaker 1: Watched twenty twenty five here late January.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as Alex Bregman's world turns, the Astros getting back
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Speaker 3: in the mix, I think significantly.
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Speaker 2: All there's the calculus.
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Speaker 3: I had a few different interesting conversations this weekend, and
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Speaker 3: I think it boils down to like, yeah, this vehicle
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Speaker 3: is still idle, but the keys in the engine like
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Speaker 3: we are getting close to things, finally getting serious, things
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Speaker 3: picking up and according to Chandler Roam of the athletic
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Speaker 3: and the foul Territory network. Houston's original offer six one
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Speaker 3: fifty six still stands. I think that significantly changes the
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Speaker 3: landscape of the Alex Bregman pursuit, because those are going
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Speaker 3: to force teams that have been poking around on the fringes,
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Speaker 3: the Tigers, the Red Sox, maybe the Cubs to either
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Speaker 3: get serious or bow out. I think years are going
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Speaker 3: to be a significant factor in whatever happens with Bregman.
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Speaker 3: So if Houston's six, you know, Toronto has long made sense,
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Speaker 3: is maybe the one team that could overpay six seven.
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Speaker 3: We don't know that for a fact, but it would
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Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. According to the Boston Globe,
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Speaker 3: the Red Sox have been on willing to go beyond four.
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Speaker 3: We don't know for sure where the Tigers stands here.
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Speaker 3: I definitely believe they were hoping they could get him
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Speaker 3: on a shorter term deal. Just knowing everything we know
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Speaker 3: about Scott Harris, about this front office, kind of difficult
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Speaker 3: to imagine the Tiger's going beyond five years for a deal.
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Speaker 3: But now the Houston's here on the table, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think we're about to learn how serious the Tigers
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Speaker 3: actually are. And how badly they actually want Alex Bregman.
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Speaker 3: I think it's likely going to take going more than
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Speaker 3: five years if they want to get anything done.
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Speaker 1: So a couple of things there, Like the Houston piece
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Speaker 1: of it is that Jose Altuve has come out and
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Speaker 1: said that, you know, he'd be willing to change positions
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Speaker 1: go to left field to keep Alex. So you know,
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Speaker 1: if you're a Houston fan, that's obviously great to hear.
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Speaker 1: Right al Tuove continues to epitomize like what they like
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Speaker 1: about that organization, So good on him for that. I guess, uh.
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Speaker 1: Number number two, you just have to assume Toronto is
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Speaker 1: the team that is going to overpay because it's Toronto.
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Speaker 1: That's what they kind of have to do when you're,
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Speaker 1: you know, the loan team in a different country as
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Speaker 1: of right now. Number three, if Boston is capped at
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Speaker 1: four and let's just I'm making this up because I
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Speaker 1: don't I agree with you. I don't believe the Tigers
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Speaker 1: are gonna get into the six and seven realm. I
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Speaker 1: would I think Scott Harris would rather burn every single
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Speaker 1: quarter zip that he owns than offer a seven year contract,
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Speaker 1: because the man loves his quarter zips all right, Uh,
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Speaker 1: five does kind of seem like some sort of decent
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Speaker 1: middle ground. And again for the for clarity, I'm just
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Speaker 1: kind of making this up on the numbers. I haven't
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Speaker 1: been identified yet. So five seems like a nice little
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Speaker 1: middle ground. And if you and when the difference is
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Speaker 1: five to six, it's a lot easier to swallow some
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Speaker 1: money to extend that a little bit and make it
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Speaker 1: even more attractive. And then if Bregman says years are
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Speaker 1: the biggest deal, I'm curious how much he's going to
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Speaker 1: follow up on that, because the best deal for him,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the three teams that make the
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Speaker 1: most sense Houston, Boston, Detroit and whatever order you want
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Speaker 1: to put that in. If you just want the most years,
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Speaker 1: presumably you're going to Toronto half on, half on with
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Speaker 1: that direction. If you want to go less years and
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Speaker 1: just go hit fly balls off the Green Monster in
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Speaker 1: Boston for four years, that makes a lot of sense
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Speaker 1: to me. If your family loves Houston, you love Houston,
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Speaker 1: you want to be like the career astro thing, and
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Speaker 1: that's very valuable one of the you know, the guys
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Speaker 1: that spend their whole career with one team, like that,
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Speaker 1: that's that's that we value that as as fans and
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Speaker 1: as followers of the sport, right, mister Tiger, mister cubb
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Speaker 1: all that stuff that makes a lot of sense to
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Speaker 1: and then the Detroit connection for all the things that
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Speaker 1: we know makes a lot of sense. So I'm almost
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Speaker 1: thinking the whole time this felt like the ball was
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Speaker 1: in the team's court. What are they doing to get Alex?
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Speaker 1: And now as we presumably hopefully are in the home
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Speaker 1: stretch here, I almost think the tide kind of turns
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Speaker 1: to Alex a little bit and it's like, what do
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Speaker 1: you really want? Like, what do you want? Because this
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Speaker 1: because if you're focused on the things presumably he's focused on,
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Speaker 1: he's looking at it sort of like a legacy defining,
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Speaker 1: like kind of last career move type deal, if you're
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Speaker 1: focused on years and so like, wherever he puts his
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Speaker 1: pen to paper, I'm going to have like a really
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Speaker 1: good sense of like what he actually values. And I
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Speaker 1: don't judge on what you value, but I kind of am.
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Speaker 1: I do sort of want that indicated, and we'll get
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Speaker 1: that whenever the sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like Bregnant is looking at this kind
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Speaker 3: of holistically, but winning is certainly important and winning long
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Speaker 3: term to him, I believe it is important. I would
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Speaker 3: argue that works in the tigers favor. If you just
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Speaker 3: want to rank these teams in terms of long term
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Speaker 3: next five six years outlook could put the Tigers at
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Speaker 3: or near the top of that list, When now Houston's
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Speaker 3: probably number one on that list. And it's like, okay,
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Speaker 3: well where does he you know, does he want to
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Speaker 3: move to Toronto?
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Speaker 2: Does he want to stay in Houston? Where's he want
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Speaker 2: to live? And what's the offer?
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Speaker 3: You know, those are the factors I think Bregmant is
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Speaker 3: going to have to wade through the next few days.
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Speaker 3: And that's why Houston entering this mix is pretty appealing man,
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Speaker 3: because he can stay home, he can have an offer
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Speaker 3: that's at least going to be close to the link
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Speaker 3: he desires, and he can win now, although there might
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Speaker 3: be some questions about the long term future. And hey,
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Speaker 3: never rule out another twist, because although the New York
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Speaker 3: Mets are feuding with Scott Boris over Pete Alonzo right now,
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of stunned they have not also been mentioned
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Speaker 3: in connection with Bregman. So if the Alonzo saga gets
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Speaker 3: a resolution and it's not New York could them that
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Speaker 3: center of the fray. We've got some more things to
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Speaker 3: sort out here, but I do think it is at
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Speaker 3: long last time for teams to get serious about what
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Speaker 3: they are actually willing to offer For Alex Bregman. Not
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Speaker 3: sure how long it's going to be, but things are
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Speaker 1: So one of those moving parts, as you know, Friday
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Speaker 1: night news was dominated by a certain professional football team
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Speaker 1: that we won't mention, but there was some other stuff
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Speaker 1: that was kind of going through the course of Friday,
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Speaker 1: involving Houston, involving the Cubs, involving the Tigers that didn't
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Speaker 1: have anything to do with Alex Bregman, although it kind
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Speaker 1: of did, right. So there's there's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a what we call this like a standoff with Ryan Presley,
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Speaker 1: the All Star reliever part of one of their champions teams,
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Speaker 1: actually went to high school literally like a mile down
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Speaker 1: the road from where I'm doing this podcast right now,
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Speaker 1: So local connection there for your boy.
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Speaker 2: There.
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Speaker 1: There were the emotions for me were a little high
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Speaker 1: on Friday. I'm a little bit more calm now because
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Speaker 1: it's like obviously you want the Tigers to go out
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Speaker 1: and get like a guy the caliber of Alex Bregman.
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Speaker 1: But the longer it goes on, I'm like, are they
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Speaker 1: even really in this? Like is this even like real?
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Speaker 1: Is it just like people just connecting the dots because
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Speaker 1: it makes sense, and then behind the scenes it's not
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Speaker 1: really all that much of a connection. And then you
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Speaker 1: start hearing about like the Astros are trying to shop
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Speaker 1: Presley so that they can have more money for Bregman.
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Speaker 1: It's like, are the Tigers really about to take on
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Speaker 1: like a thirty five plus year old reliever on a
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Speaker 1: one year deal to aid in a bed the Astros,
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Speaker 1: you know, one of their competitions in the American League
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Speaker 1: to get out to retain Alex Bregman services. Like I was,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie do it. I was feeling a
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Speaker 1: little hot. I'm a little bit better now by the time.
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Speaker 1: I was feeling hot because it just it no disrespect
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Speaker 1: to Presley, but it didn't really seem like a huge
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Speaker 1: w to get him giving up an asset whatever that
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Speaker 1: would be probably not nothing major, but you wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: to physically trade for him and then have and then
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Speaker 1: have that result in Bregman returned to Houston, Like it
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Speaker 1: just felt like a series of events that was going
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Speaker 1: to tick me the f off. As of now, that
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Speaker 1: has not happened. But and and the there's been reporting
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Speaker 1: that the Tigers or he was does he not want
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Speaker 1: to go to Detroit or saying.
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Speaker 3: Presley as a full now trade clause, he's not gonna
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Speaker 3: wave it for the Tigers. I don't think that's going
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Speaker 3: to change. Sounds like there's a deal in place with
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Speaker 3: the Cubs that everyone thinks is going to happen. They're
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Speaker 3: just waiting on Presley to actually agree to it. He
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Speaker 3: hasn't as at the time we're recording this, which is
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Speaker 3: somewhat interesting. And I the Astros are trying to shed
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Speaker 3: some payroll, see if they could sign Bregman while still
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Speaker 3: remaining under their luck tags. They might have to go
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Speaker 3: over anyway, but they they they want to dump Presley
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Speaker 3: to save money, which does make the Tigers being involved interesting.
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Speaker 3: It would seem like that would help Houston's case to
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Speaker 3: outbid them for Alex Bregman, So that's highly interesting. A
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Speaker 3: few other reasons the Tiger's interest here surprised me. One,
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Speaker 3: the Tigers are all about value. Ryan Presley is not cheap.
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Speaker 3: He's going to make fourteen million next year. I would
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Speaker 3: imagine they could get a serviceable reliever on the market
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Speaker 3: for less than that. Not serviceable, a pretty good reliever.
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Speaker 3: His velo was down last year. We saw it in
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, but twenty twenty three his four team average
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Speaker 3: ninety four point seven miles an hour. Last year it
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Speaker 3: was down to ninety three point eight, and I believe
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Speaker 3: ticked even lower at certain points. Not really a huge
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Speaker 3: missing bats type guy, especially last year, Like they're just
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Speaker 3: signed that Presley maybe is declining. His strikeout rate dropped
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Speaker 3: by four percentage points last season, his walk rate ticked up.
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Speaker 3: His expected ERA was three point nine to seven, so
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Speaker 3: not great, even though that's a little bit tricky for
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Speaker 3: relievers sometimes. Like I'm just not sure exactly what it
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Speaker 3: was that the Tigers even liked here, unless it's one
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Speaker 3: of those things where, oh, he moves his foot two
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Speaker 3: degrees then he can start throwing ninety six again. But
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Speaker 3: surprised there was even that level of interest. It's not
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Speaker 3: gonna happen, so I guess it doesn't matter. But that's
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Speaker 3: kind of what the situation was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and kind of I think the emotional aspect of
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Speaker 1: that is also tied to the lack of substantial moves
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Speaker 1: made post cop post Torres acquisition and being like, the
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Speaker 1: next thing's gonna be something that takes takes away your
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Speaker 1: ability to sign Bregman. That just wouldn't really it just
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Speaker 1: wouldn't really fly in a lot of people's minds. And
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Speaker 1: not to mention that, I don't think Press Presley at
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Speaker 1: this point is worth sort of that backlash where it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, like you could like Scott Harris and he
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Speaker 1: so far has proven correct on this was able to
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Speaker 1: quickly spin the whole. They didn't get the deal they
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Speaker 1: wanted for Flaherty from the Yankees because it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: we really like these guys that we got from the Dodgers,
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Speaker 1: and Tray Sweeney has some big moments and Lorenzo is
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Speaker 1: a top one hundred consensus, top one hundred prospect, and
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that makes sense. Like he was able
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Speaker 1: to spin it and then he's been kind of proven correct.
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Speaker 1: It would be a little harder, I think, to kind
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Speaker 1: of do it this way in that sense, So I
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Speaker 1: do I am waiting for them to make some more
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Speaker 1: like release Yeah, appearance of appearances in the relief market.
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Speaker 1: A name that's kind of available right now that seems
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Speaker 1: to make sense would be one Carlos Estevez and he's
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Speaker 1: thirty two. Let me pull it up right real quick.
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Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's thirty two years old, just turned thirty two. Actually,
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Speaker 1: happy late birthday, Carlos. And that one tends to like
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Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to swallow bringing him in as
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Speaker 1: opposed to making a trade for a guy who obviously
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Speaker 1: doesn't even want to be here, or if he did come,
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Speaker 1: would be reluctantly and then you know, allowing the pregnant thing.
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Speaker 1: But the Stevus one's an interesting one, Cody.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have heard the name of Steves pop up
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Speaker 3: a couple of times recently. He's the name the Tigers
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Speaker 3: are being linked to on the free agent relief market
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say again, I'm.
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Speaker 3: A little bit surprised because we've talked about the need
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Speaker 3: for a reliever who generates swing and miss in terms
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Speaker 3: of strikeout a stev As only eight point two case
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Speaker 3: per nine. Three of the past four years has not
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Speaker 3: exceeded eightk's per nine. I know strikeout rate is more
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Speaker 3: precise than kper nine, but kper nine is like a
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Speaker 3: little easier to understand, Like how much this dude actually
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Speaker 3: strike guys out. His K percentage was down last year,
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Speaker 3: down to twenty three percent, right around the same range
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Speaker 3: Ryan Presley was. His fastball vlow was down a little
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Speaker 3: bit last year, just like Ryan Presley. I do think
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Speaker 3: he would be cheaper, probably not get fourteen millions, so
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Speaker 3: I guess that makes sense if the Tigers think they
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Speaker 3: could recapture something. But his whiff rate was down and
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Speaker 3: not you know, more middle of the pack than elite
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Speaker 3: to begin with, did not generate a lot of chase
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Speaker 3: last season. He's a good effective pitcher. He had a
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Speaker 3: two four five ERA last season, but the expected RA
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Speaker 3: was up to three one nine, so it was higher
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Speaker 3: than that. There's some peripheral stuff that I just don't
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Speaker 3: love about Carlos as Stevas, especially compared to some of
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Speaker 3: the other guys left on the market. You know, David
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Speaker 3: Robertson's like thirty nine, but I age aside I would
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Speaker 3: like him more than a Steve As. So curious what
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Speaker 3: the Tigers are actually after here in the pursuit of
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Speaker 3: these relievers. Another thing to keep in mind, and I
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Speaker 3: believe the Presley thing was real, but like, there are
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Speaker 3: all these rumors out there, little leaks, and I could
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Speaker 3: be wrong, but I don't think much of this, if
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Speaker 3: any actually comes from like the highest levels of the
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Speaker 3: Tiger's front office. You know, for as much as we've
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Speaker 3: speculated about all these things this offseason, the Tigers have
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Speaker 3: only done two things. And it was Alex Cob, which
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Speaker 3: no one really knew about until I mean, I started
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Speaker 3: getting win the day of, but he wasn't on anyone's radar,
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Speaker 3: and Glabor Torres was on no one's radar. We didn't
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Speaker 3: even think they would consider a second basement. The two
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Speaker 3: things that have actually happened, the Tigers have done under
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Speaker 3: the radar. They keep their actual moves pretty close to
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Speaker 3: the vest. So I'll be interested to see if the
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Speaker 3: Estebez thing ends up becoming real.
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Speaker 1: It is worth noting for Estebez that that was like
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Speaker 1: a career best er that he just posted last year,
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Speaker 1: and you know he was obviously it was with two teams.
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Speaker 1: He's a little higher in Philadelphia wherever that's worth. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just I do get a little nervous about guys
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Speaker 1: who come off career years and in contract years, just
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Speaker 1: just in general, just in general, the motivation not necessarily
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Speaker 1: always the same year to year after that, So just uh,
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Speaker 1: just a general thought. They're not specific to him, although
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Speaker 1: one thing specific to him. It would be kind of
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Speaker 1: fun to see him on the mound at six six,
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Speaker 1: two seventy seven.
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Speaker 2: It's a big boy, that big. That's a big dude.
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Speaker 1: That's a big boy. That's a big boy right there.
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Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah, it would be nice to see
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Speaker 1: like a little.
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Speaker 2: Bit, okay, a little bit.
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Speaker 3: He's six six and his extension ranks on the forty
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Speaker 3: second percent. Igh, Like he's not coming that far down
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Speaker 3: the slope. Maybe he's I don't know, that's a whole
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Speaker 3: other tangent we could go down.
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Speaker 1: But that's for robing the figure out, bro, that's for
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Speaker 1: robbing the figure out. All right, Well, we just mentioned
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Speaker 1: him a few minutes ago and we got a little
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Speaker 1: which ever wants to check out on YouTube Monday through Friday,
19:36
Speaker 1: Jack flaherity old old friend Jack Flaherty was on and
19:39
Speaker 1: I think I texted you, I think the way I
19:42
Speaker 1: phrased it was Jack's doing the most. I think it's
19:47
Speaker 1: I think is what I said, because you know, he's
19:50
Speaker 1: getting questions about, you know, obviously still still on sign,
19:53
Speaker 1: still in sign, still available, a guy that was looking
19:56
Speaker 1: like he was going to be one of the darlings
19:58
Speaker 1: of free agency with how he was doing with the Tigers,
20:01
Speaker 1: and then he you know, wins a World Series and
20:04
Speaker 1: and and all that stuff, but still unsigned. And then
20:07
Speaker 1: he they asked him like, you know, do you ever
20:10
Speaker 1: think about, you know, what if you would stay like
20:13
Speaker 1: you think, you know, the Tigers would have you know,
20:16
Speaker 1: make the postseason blah blah blah. And he more or
20:18
Speaker 1: less said that, you know, he thinks they would have
20:20
Speaker 1: gotten through the the ds I if he was still
20:22
Speaker 1: on the team, which is like a fun what if
20:25
Speaker 1: scenario that there's no way to track it, like literally
20:28
Speaker 1: at all. But he's, like I said, he's doing the most.
20:32
Speaker 1: He was feeling himself almost as if almost as if
20:35
Speaker 1: to say, I'm the guy that can put you over
20:38
Speaker 1: the top, you know, Scott and and and you know
20:42
Speaker 1: whether that message will be received. He's still is a
20:44
Speaker 1: guy that gets linked to the Tigers for obvious reasons,
20:48
Speaker 1: even though we've talked about on this podcast. Are they
20:51
Speaker 1: really still in the market for a starting pitcher? Uh so?
20:55
Speaker 2: So.
20:55
Speaker 1: Anyway, you're reacting to Jack Flaherty kind of keeping keeping
20:59
Speaker 1: the old keeping the old flame on the hook if
21:02
Speaker 1: you would a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah. I love Jack for doing this, man, I
21:06
Speaker 3: like this an honesty. I understand his frustration. He's like,
21:09
Speaker 3: I freaking dominated last year, and I'm sure he thought
21:12
Speaker 3: he was gonna get eighty ninety one hundred million and
21:15
Speaker 3: I thought he was too, and then the market has
21:18
Speaker 3: really cratered for him, the health concerns, the back concerns,
21:23
Speaker 3: the dipping VLO in the postseason. That probably scares teams off.
21:29
Speaker 3: In terms of a reunion with the Tigers. I don't
21:32
Speaker 3: think starting pitching is a priority for them right now.
21:34
Speaker 3: I think it's Bregmant and then it's the relief market.
21:38
Speaker 3: But if this thing continues to bot him out for
21:40
Speaker 3: Jack Man like why not, I mean, could you get
21:43
Speaker 3: him for almost what you got paid for him last year?
21:46
Speaker 3: Paym a little more one eighteen one twenty, like I
21:50
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever heard this year and a
21:52
Speaker 3: really revolutionary thought I had is that you can never
21:55
Speaker 3: have enough pitching. Oh, I wouldn't hate the idea if
22:01
Speaker 3: you could get Jack Flaherty back. I mean, especially if
22:05
Speaker 3: you're talking a lower risk one or two year type thing,
22:09
Speaker 3: and teams probably want to see like two years strung
22:12
Speaker 3: together of Jack pitching at an elite level maybe before
22:16
Speaker 3: they're willing to dish out that long term deal. So
22:19
Speaker 3: I've been on record like, I don't hate the idea.
22:21
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's going to happen. And that is
22:24
Speaker 3: a where like Jack, you know, have you ever tried
22:27
Speaker 3: to get an X back like And it's clear that
22:30
Speaker 3: they have moved on And it seems a little bit
22:34
Speaker 3: like that from Jack.
22:35
Speaker 2: Jack.
22:35
Speaker 3: If you see this, man, hey, I respect what you're doing.
22:38
Speaker 3: I understand why you're frustrated. There, love the honesty and yeah,
22:42
Speaker 3: been there my friend. But yeah, it's I'm not sure
22:46
Speaker 3: he's necessarily doing himself favors by kind of looking desperate.
22:51
Speaker 1: At the same time, Well, here's the thing. In fairness
22:53
Speaker 1: to Jack, this was a week dominated like you know,
22:57
Speaker 1: free agency headline wise dominated by like, are is there
23:01
Speaker 1: a reunion possible, you know, Like it's like like if
23:04
Speaker 1: Bregmant can get back with his Zachs that really moved
23:08
Speaker 1: on with the moves that they made, Like surely I
23:10
Speaker 1: could get back with mine in the Motor City. I
23:12
Speaker 1: mean that that argue would be more seamless, you know.
23:16
Speaker 1: So did we take that analogy as far as we could?
23:19
Speaker 1: I think we did. No.
23:21
Speaker 2: I think there's more.
23:22
Speaker 3: I think the Astros never really moved on, right, They
23:25
Speaker 3: just they just replaced him with like whatever they could
23:28
Speaker 3: get off Hinge. And we're always hoping Breggan when you
23:31
Speaker 3: would circle back around, and sure.
23:33
Speaker 2: Enough maybe he did. Yeah. Yeah, And so now it's like,
23:36
Speaker 2: all right, why do I tell this Hinge date?
23:39
Speaker 1: Like all two of He's like, I never forgot about you.
23:44
Speaker 1: So from exes to people you're currently in a.
23:49
Speaker 2: Sixty five like.
23:52
Speaker 1: Shout shout out Ryan Gosling for the podcast. To a
23:57
Speaker 1: guy that you're in a contractual relationship with, and that
24:00
Speaker 1: is one Trek schoolble Trek School. Well, last night you
24:04
Speaker 1: could have watched it. I hope you did. It was
24:06
Speaker 1: on the Foul Territory YouTube channels streamed live formally accepted
24:12
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four American League Py Young Award looking
24:17
Speaker 1: really snazzy in his tucks. Actually, all the Tigers brass
24:20
Speaker 1: looked great. A J. Scott Chris Eder. There's somebody else
24:23
Speaker 1: that photograph. I think I can't remember right now, Spremberg,
24:26
Speaker 1: guess right, yes, all look really.
24:29
Speaker 2: He's the general manager.
24:30
Speaker 1: Come on, look I looked at him once at like
24:32
Speaker 1: six am this morning.
24:33
Speaker 2: All right, dude, welcome to come on the pot at
24:35
Speaker 2: any time. Love that.
24:36
Speaker 1: We love to have you a friend of the podcast.
24:38
Speaker 1: So Tiger is well represented. He you know, Terrek gives like,
24:44
Speaker 1: you know, the stoic like like stoic at ties, but
24:48
Speaker 1: also like highly like volatile emotional guy at times. I
24:52
Speaker 1: mean that in a good way. On the mound has
24:56
Speaker 1: like a you know, like a little little little bit
24:58
Speaker 1: of vulnerable moment accepting this ward. He just kind of
25:01
Speaker 1: does like everybody knows his story, but he kind of
25:03
Speaker 1: goes like, look, you know, you know Division No one,
25:06
Speaker 1: Division one offer no, Division one offers whatever. It was like,
25:08
Speaker 1: you know, the guy Tommy John and then ninth round
25:11
Speaker 1: pick I didn't know if I was gonna be able
25:13
Speaker 1: to play then then, like I think the thing that
25:16
Speaker 1: stood out to me, he said, like, you know, and
25:17
Speaker 1: then I get hurt in the majors, like we we'll
25:19
Speaker 1: all remember the injury and all that stuff, but like
25:22
Speaker 1: I don't think we probably grasped. Just like it's like
25:26
Speaker 1: how that is a part of his journey too, So
25:28
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I'm glad that he brought that
25:31
Speaker 1: up as well. And you know, thanks Tigers organization, fetter.
25:34
Speaker 1: You know, like everybody's got bores, you know, all that stuff,
25:36
Speaker 1: all the chuck stuff. But the thing that got to me,
25:39
Speaker 1: I was like, damn it, It's like, this is the
25:41
Speaker 1: guy that you want to like have as at the
25:44
Speaker 1: forefront of your franchise for I don't know the next
25:46
Speaker 1: five to seven years. If there was a way to
25:49
Speaker 1: make that happen. I'll tell you this, if there's ever
25:53
Speaker 1: a moment where that he is not a Tiger, I'm
25:56
Speaker 1: going to go back to that speech and I'm gonna
25:57
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna think, man, like it, if only
26:00
Speaker 1: it could have been, that would be that would be
26:02
Speaker 1: my next notebook moment is like looking at that looking
26:05
Speaker 1: at that speech right there, but but congratulates here for
26:08
Speaker 1: formally accepting the award and uh and putting in and
26:13
Speaker 1: being a front facing guy for the Tigers. That was
26:16
Speaker 1: pretty cool, pretty cool to watch.
26:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great speech from Schoogle. Aj Hinch introduced him.
26:23
Speaker 2: Low key TERRK. Scooble sat next to Tracy Morgan all night.
26:27
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
26:28
Speaker 3: Tracy Morgan was there to introduce Aaron Judge, who physically
26:31
Speaker 3: was not present since I believe wife was about to
26:34
Speaker 3: have a baby.
26:35
Speaker 2: But I want to know.
26:36
Speaker 3: I want to know what it was like for Scoobs
26:38
Speaker 3: to set next to Tracy Morgan.
26:40
Speaker 2: I thought that was the most interesting thing.
26:41
Speaker 3: That and my guy Pat Murphy's purple tucks were what
26:45
Speaker 3: really stood out to me. Glad I get to know
26:47
Speaker 3: these things because company plugg Fell tire Tory broadcast the
26:50
Speaker 3: thing something that had never been broadcasted before.
26:53
Speaker 2: So it was that it was kind of cool to watch.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. And I don't and speaking of family,
26:59
Speaker 1: like he thound his wife for being his rock and
27:03
Speaker 1: Jessica is her name, and he said that I don't
27:06
Speaker 1: know if it was public knowledge. He said they have
27:07
Speaker 1: another kid on the way. I don't know if that
27:09
Speaker 1: was public knowledge or not. I don't you know, I
27:10
Speaker 1: can't claim to track that I didn't know that Yeah,
27:14
Speaker 1: So congratulations to the to the school family as a whole.
27:18
Speaker 1: Hopefully more good things for them in the city of
27:21
Speaker 1: Detroit in the In twenty twenty five.
27:23
Speaker 2: So.
27:25
Speaker 1: Schoobl was named the number two starting pitcher on MLB
27:31
Speaker 1: Network's Top ten their little committee thing that they do,
27:35
Speaker 1: and the most recent one they did was for right fielders.
27:40
Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter comes in at number eight on that list
27:44
Speaker 1: among right fielders. And we haven't done a lot of
27:48
Speaker 1: Carry content this offseason, Cody, because like, well, you know,
27:54
Speaker 1: like we feel like we understand the Carry Carpenter element,
27:58
Speaker 1: but I think it is kind of worth bringing it
28:00
Speaker 1: up because one of the things that as this rebuild
28:04
Speaker 1: and you know, the team has kind of gotten into
28:07
Speaker 1: a more public eye, I would say, is I look
28:10
Speaker 1: for how national media or national fans kind of regard
28:16
Speaker 1: Tigers players. You know, so like school bol is a
28:18
Speaker 1: big part of that, right, Green is a big part
28:20
Speaker 1: of that, you know, and Carry Carpenter get on this list?
28:23
Speaker 1: Is it is something about that too? And I went
28:28
Speaker 1: back and looked at his number offensive wars. His offensive
28:31
Speaker 1: war he was two point zero twenty twenty three. In
28:34
Speaker 1: my years, right he was two point one in eighty
28:37
Speaker 1: seven games. This again just offensive war in twenty twenty four,
28:41
Speaker 1: so presumably that number I'm gonna go up if he
28:45
Speaker 1: plays close to it, close to a full season, big
28:47
Speaker 1: f but uh plays close to a full season. There
28:52
Speaker 1: he gets, he gets, he's he's a part of like
28:55
Speaker 1: this huge one of the best postseason moments of recent
28:58
Speaker 1: years with his home run off class A right, and
29:00
Speaker 1: then like and then he's also like the kind you know,
29:05
Speaker 1: one of the kind faces that was part of this
29:07
Speaker 1: Tiger's playoff run this past year.
29:09
Speaker 5: And he's one.
29:09
Speaker 1: Agree, he's a great story. He's a great story. Everybody
29:11
Speaker 1: should like be riddy for the Carry Carpenters of the world.
29:16
Speaker 1: But where did where is he in in in like
29:20
Speaker 1: the hierarchy of like assets to the Tigers. I guess
29:24
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how I phrase it, Is he
29:28
Speaker 1: a star? I'm not saying like all star? Is he
29:31
Speaker 1: a star? Could he be a star? Keep in mind
29:34
Speaker 1: he's gonna turn twenty eight and September like, so is
29:37
Speaker 1: there how much how much ceiling is there left for
29:39
Speaker 1: carry Carpenter like it? Should he have been the one
29:43
Speaker 1: to move the first base. I'll Cole Keith they were
29:45
Speaker 1: a little late for that, but it is something we
29:47
Speaker 1: have been talking about for years. I just I kind
29:51
Speaker 1: of want to say, like, you know, it's late January
29:53
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I want to kind of put our
29:55
Speaker 1: stamp on, like where we see Carry Carpenter now? Because
29:58
Speaker 1: before we would say like, oh, wouldn't be great, if
30:00
Speaker 1: wouldn't be great, if wouldn't be great, if we're past
30:03
Speaker 1: all of that now, But what is past that for
30:07
Speaker 1: Carrie Carpenter? A guy who is good. If you tell
30:10
Speaker 1: he's going to make more highlight level plays and big hits,
30:14
Speaker 1: he's going to be at the forefront of some baseball conversations,
30:17
Speaker 1: which he already is as a number eight right fielder
30:19
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball according to MLB Networks Committed.
30:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Carpenter is a very modern like test
30:28
Speaker 3: case or just like we want to put all these
30:32
Speaker 3: labels on him, right, And the reality is he's a
30:35
Speaker 3: very good platoon player.
30:37
Speaker 2: He is an elite bat against right handed pitching.
30:41
Speaker 3: And he can't really hit lefties, and he's probably not
30:44
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of opportunities to hit lefties.
30:47
Speaker 3: There was a time where I was a proponent of
30:50
Speaker 3: seeing him more against lefties, giving him a chance to
30:53
Speaker 3: see what he can do. I think I'm giving up
30:55
Speaker 3: on that dream. Especially you can't just give him test
30:59
Speaker 3: bat when you're trying to win the division. Kerry Carpenter
31:03
Speaker 3: has an eight ninety seven career OPS against right handed pitching.
31:06
Speaker 3: That's really good. Forty homers against left handed pitching. That
31:11
Speaker 3: ops is more than three hundred points lower five eighty
31:14
Speaker 3: eight four home runs. That's in only one hundred and
31:19
Speaker 3: nineteen played appearances. I don't think that's going to change,
31:22
Speaker 3: at least not next year, at least not on the
31:23
Speaker 3: Detroit Tigers.
31:26
Speaker 2: So what is it like?
31:28
Speaker 3: That's kind of what he is, which I understand why
31:30
Speaker 3: that's like an unsettling conclusion because you want to know more.
31:34
Speaker 3: But Jack Peterson is pretty much the cop made two
31:38
Speaker 3: All Star Games. Now playing in Los Angeles probably helped that.
31:41
Speaker 3: But this a guy who can hit thirty home runs,
31:44
Speaker 3: who can be a name that baseball fans know, who
31:47
Speaker 3: can be a really good player. Ultimately just hits right
31:51
Speaker 3: handed pitching. Isn't a great defender. That's probably what Kerry
31:54
Speaker 3: Carpenter is.
31:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, slightly negative defensive or although if you look at
32:01
Speaker 1: his uh the stack cast, his arm is pretty dang elite.
32:07
Speaker 1: That's why that's probably one of the that's that's probably
32:09
Speaker 1: one of the things that keeps him in in the outfield,
32:13
Speaker 1: is that the thought of like if we if that
32:15
Speaker 1: is an asset of his That obviously goes.
32:17
Speaker 3: Back on the age we talked about before, but like
32:20
Speaker 3: really am impressed by how much he's improved his defense.
32:23
Speaker 3: He's early on, I thought he was going to be
32:26
Speaker 3: totally unplayable, and he's become close to average for sure.
32:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I had, uh I was looking
32:34
Speaker 1: up like his salary stuff, so I was kind of curious.
32:37
Speaker 1: He like, right now, he's on track to be one
32:41
Speaker 1: of the best bargains in baseball, probably this side of
32:43
Speaker 1: Otani because of deferrals. But like like like you know,
32:47
Speaker 1: he's only like he's only gonna make like, what eight
32:49
Speaker 1: hundred K this year, and that's obviously by he's not
32:52
Speaker 1: even into arbitration yet, and by the time that he's
32:56
Speaker 1: a free agent, he's gonna be like in his early thirties. Uh,
33:00
Speaker 1: if he hits close to twenty home runs, if he
33:03
Speaker 1: is a three offensive war player and you're paying him
33:07
Speaker 1: eight hundred K, I mean, that's pretty impressive. That's pretty impressive,
33:11
Speaker 1: like that, that is a great bargain almost. I was
33:14
Speaker 1: almost like kind of pulling around the idea of like,
33:16
Speaker 1: do you give him some sort of cold Keith type
33:18
Speaker 1: extension where you throw him a couple million bucks. I
33:24
Speaker 1: say that out loud to be like, why would you
33:26
Speaker 1: if you're the tires, you just you just look at that,
33:29
Speaker 1: look at those numbers. It's like there's not really any
33:31
Speaker 1: reason to other than maybe some field good stuff. But
33:33
Speaker 1: I hope he has a healthy year, not because of
33:36
Speaker 1: what he can do for the team, but because of
33:38
Speaker 1: how he could showcase his abilities to also very recently
33:44
Speaker 1: became a father too, so you know, congratulations to the
33:46
Speaker 1: Carpenter family there. Would love to see him get sort
33:50
Speaker 1: of his just deserves of what a great story he
33:55
Speaker 1: is in Major League Baseball and and you know, maybe
33:58
Speaker 1: the Jock Pearson thing, you do a lot worse with
34:00
Speaker 1: that in an MLB career, that's for sure.
34:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
34:04
Speaker 3: People like to bring up the contract thing with him
34:07
Speaker 3: a lot. I go back to what Eric Kratz said
34:10
Speaker 3: on Foul Territory the day we launched this podcast, like
34:14
Speaker 3: he's a platoon player, and you don't really pay platoon
34:18
Speaker 3: players and that's like an unfortunate reality. But the Tigers
34:22
Speaker 3: I don't think have much incentive to pay him more
34:26
Speaker 3: than what he's already making. And there is like he
34:29
Speaker 3: is twenty seven instead of twenty three. You know, he
34:33
Speaker 3: had a big back injury, not the smoothest defender in
34:37
Speaker 3: the world. Is there even a will to extend him
34:41
Speaker 3: into his thirties, I'm not so sure. And then from
34:44
Speaker 3: Carpenter's perspective, as much as he might not get a
34:46
Speaker 3: lot of at bats against left, he's a fine his
34:48
Speaker 3: agent and being like, well, we think you can be
34:51
Speaker 3: more than a platoon player, so we're not going to
34:53
Speaker 3: settle for some cap on your value. That's why both
34:58
Speaker 3: of those reasons, I would have a hard time see
35:00
Speaker 3: him being a real extension candidate. But it's good to
35:04
Speaker 3: see him get some do in the national scene. His
35:06
Speaker 3: homer off Class A I think really got his name
35:08
Speaker 3: out there. I think he's going to continue to absolutely
35:11
Speaker 3: break against Righty's and become more of a name people
35:15
Speaker 3: know in the national scene a little bit.
35:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, it can be one of the faces
35:20
Speaker 1: of the franchise. And it's like who would have thought
35:22
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