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That Time in Hip-Hop: 2014 Forest Hills Drive · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What up, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of That Time and hip Hop,
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  Speaker 2: a podcast about nostalgia history for more important the preservation
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  Speaker 2: of hip hop music and culture right here on hip
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  Speaker 2: Hop Now podcast YouTube channel with me as always the
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  Speaker 2: Homie from Into the Dome Podcast Into the Doome dot Com.
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  Speaker 2: Tony was good.
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  Speaker 3: Man, Hey man, everything good man? How about you? Man
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  Speaker 3: here you and the family? Everybody good? Everybody good?
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: You know I gained about ten pounds. Now I gotta
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  Speaker 2: work it.
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  Speaker 3: Look man, you know last weekend, well you know I
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  Speaker 3: was in Miami for four days man with.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the fellas Man for turn to retreat Man.
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  Speaker 3: So of course it's bourbon every day, bunch of food,
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  Speaker 3: bunch of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to get back here and get big
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  Speaker 3: on a bike man.
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  Speaker 4: And my first day go the bike man forg us
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  Speaker 4: about that art tack Man. You know what I'm saying, Man, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: put a couple of pounds gonna burn off? Man.
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  Speaker 3: I was a little burn about three rids in. You're
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  Speaker 3: able to burn it off pretty good because you burnt
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  Speaker 3: some the counters. You cycle the way you know, the
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  Speaker 3: way I cycle. People know I cycle pretty serious. But
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  Speaker 3: it took you know, it takes a few days, man
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  Speaker 3: for your body to get back.
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  Speaker 4: Back used to all that. Oh you climbing all these
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  Speaker 4: heels here in North Carolina, man, but I feel you
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  Speaker 4: on that bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah every time.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it's it's like, take a little break because I
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  Speaker 2: took a couple of gym breaks also, And when you
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  Speaker 2: get back that first that first day is just like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I can't ever take a break or
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  Speaker 2: so I'm gonna just get really old, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't really man, It's it's ridiculous. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: If you are watching right now or listening on your
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  Speaker 2: favorite podcasting at this podcast is available everywhere when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the audio podcast, but specifically also right here
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube on the hip Hop Now podcast channel, where
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  Speaker 2: we hit five hundred subscribers. Now we are on the
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  Speaker 2: road to one thousand. I think we're at six fifty now,
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  Speaker 2: so you gaining some traction, you know, but we still
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  Speaker 2: need more people to support. So if you've never heard
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  Speaker 2: of that time in hip hop and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what's this, it's not your regular podcast. Nah man, we
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  Speaker 2: got seventy probably eighty, but seventy plus episodes about everything
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  Speaker 2: from hip hop moguls to hype Man to famous battles
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  Speaker 2: like jay Z versus NAS, Busy B versus coolmo D
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  Speaker 2: and hip hop where Kris One threw PM down off
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  Speaker 2: the stage. You're probably like, who's that? It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Drake back then almost but they have some dope joints.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, hip hop was crazy, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: From talking about like film and hip hop history, six
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  Speaker 2: degrees of separation, you know what ifs and hip hop,
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  Speaker 2: we've kind of done it all. Some of your favorite
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  Speaker 2: albums like Only Built for Cuban Links, which was our
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  Speaker 2: first episode. Ye, we've given flowers to many, including Mt
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  Speaker 2: Hammer and Jam three Master P. You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: Lil Wayne.
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  Speaker 4: Indeed.
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  Speaker 2: So check out the That Time in hip Hop playlist
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  Speaker 2: right on the channel. You can go through the episodes.
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  Speaker 2: This is another episode where we're going to go for
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  Speaker 2: some dope things in hip hop that happened.
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  Speaker 1: But before we do that, we have to pay.
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  Speaker 2: Respects and homage to one of our content creator homies,
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  Speaker 2: one of our fellow boxing dudes and just brother in general,
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  Speaker 2: Robert Silver, Me and Tone had the pleasure of hosting
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  Speaker 2: a podcast called Championship Rounds podcast with him very animated.
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  Speaker 2: Big story on how I found him. I just remember
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  Speaker 2: wanting to hear a boxing podcasts and I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on my commute to work, and you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: was searching and I found World Championship podcast, which I
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  Speaker 2: forget the other dude's name, but Robert Silva was one
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  Speaker 2: of the and I just remember I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: this dude sounded like a throwback, like this is real
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  Speaker 2: box and talk. Yeah, and we all, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: all connected on the internet, came together to do that podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which I might just upload all the episodes again because
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  Speaker 2: I took most of them down so people could check
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  Speaker 2: him out.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a great time. Man, he was the homie,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: He was always supportive of what we were doing, whether
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  Speaker 2: it was into the Dome or myself with Hip Hop
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  Speaker 2: Now podcasts. So we just want to give our condlences
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  Speaker 2: to his family and just say he was he.
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  Speaker 1: Was a great man.
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  Speaker 2: We've only known him for a short time, but for
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  Speaker 2: the people he touched in that short period of time,
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  Speaker 2: everybody has great things to say about him and he'll
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  Speaker 2: be missed.
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  Speaker 1: Tone if you want to give a couple of words.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, true indeed, Man, Like I said on Twitter
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  Speaker 3: the other day, man like it was definitely a pleasure
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  Speaker 3: man doing Championshi rounds with him, because I'm gonna tell you,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know too many people who knew more about
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  Speaker 3: boxing than Robert and who was that passionate about boxing.
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  Speaker 3: He was serious about the sport of boxing. He was
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  Speaker 3: a true historian about the sport I'm talking about. He's
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  Speaker 3: like Mike Tyson, the way Mike Tyson kind of a
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  Speaker 3: boxing savant that knew dates and times and what was
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  Speaker 3: going on in the world when that boxing match happened,
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: He gave.
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  Speaker 3: He gave listeners that you know what I'm saying, to
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  Speaker 3: your point, big you know what I'm saying, We're running across.
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  Speaker 3: I think his first one of his first boxing podcasts
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  Speaker 3: he had and hearing that voice, his laugh was infectious.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. He would laughing it just
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  Speaker 4: it was just, you know, he was a unique man.
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  Speaker 3: He had a very unique way about about delivery and
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  Speaker 3: his whole PERSONA very unique man, but so serious about
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  Speaker 3: about boxing.
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  Speaker 4: What I never forget.
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  Speaker 3: Man, We and you know, we we doing a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years and you collaborated, man, he always you know,
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  Speaker 3: supported my joints to and me and him both had
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  Speaker 3: affinity for Shata, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So Rob really loved shot saying way way I do.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So man, we did. We
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  Speaker 3: gonna definitely carry on man with with with with you know,
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  Speaker 3: his legacy, man, with what he meant to a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people, you know what I'm saying. And condoles again
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  Speaker 3: to to him, his his his family, man, and I
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  Speaker 3: know he was a great father as well and and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that. Man, So he's definitely gonna be missed. Man,
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  Speaker 3: were still shocked, man, you know, it's still it's still
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  Speaker 3: it's still surreal.
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  Speaker 4: Man. I remember I went to his page and just
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  Speaker 4: just to check it out one day.
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  Speaker 3: Man, Like damn man, you know. So yeah, recent peace
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  Speaker 3: to the good bro.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Rest and peace.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So now we're going to get into what
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  Speaker 2: we like to do to start off the show. It's
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  Speaker 2: this month in hip hop history. Now I'm gonna cheat
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  Speaker 2: because this is from October.
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  Speaker 1: But who cares? Right? Who Cares?
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  Speaker 2: On October twenty third, two thousand and seven, Little Brother
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  Speaker 2: released their third album, To Get.
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  Speaker 1: Back or get Back. That was get Back tone, just
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  Speaker 1: real quick.
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  Speaker 2: I remember two thousand and seven, I had moved officially moved,
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  Speaker 2: bought the house that we have here, moved from Bmore
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  Speaker 2: where I was living, you know, through college and worked
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, and moving Jersey because I got a job.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember, you know, because you when you come
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  Speaker 2: back home, so to speak. I'm not from Jersey from
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  Speaker 2: New York, but it's all close, it's all relative. I
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  Speaker 2: just remember the commute and originally I was commuting from
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  Speaker 2: Brooklyn to Jersey, and I just remember, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: albums were just sticking with me. And I remember I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, little brother got another album and I
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  Speaker 2: ain't gonna front fell some kind of way. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, where's ninth right? But man, when I
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  Speaker 2: hit play, I was like, damn, this is just too good.
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  Speaker 2: Like these these brothers are just too good at what
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  Speaker 2: they do for not enough people to know about them.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember braying and get Back like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Lil Wayne's verse was crazy on there, Like the whole
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  Speaker 2: album was dope to me at the time. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's just unfortunate that things not that it's the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing in the world. I mean, things happen. People
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  Speaker 2: are people, but it's just unfortunate when you see so
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  Speaker 2: much promise, and I mean even beyond my fandom or
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  Speaker 2: the core fans, and it's almost forgotten because of everything
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  Speaker 2: else that happens in hip hop history. Unfortunately, people tend
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  Speaker 2: to only remember like the listening or the Minstrel show.
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  Speaker 1: But get Back was just as dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, when you heard this album in two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 2: what were your thoughts about Little Brothers get Back?
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  Speaker 4: Well again? You know this this show tonight is close
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  Speaker 4: to home.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm being from North Carolina, and you know what
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  Speaker 3: Little Brother with Knife being obviously everybody know personal front
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  Speaker 3: of mine. Rocker know we're talking about to get Back
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  Speaker 3: today and he literally called me this morning about something.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even it wasn't even music related, but anyway,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of all right, we're talking about Little Brother
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  Speaker 3: right now. So Yeah, during that time, of course, I
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  Speaker 3: knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 4: I knew he was.
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  Speaker 3: Already He's they had already kind of split ways a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, but he did submit a couple of joint
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  Speaker 3: beats and you know, they did have it, breaking my
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  Speaker 3: heart jump.
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  Speaker 4: A little way over there and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But but but Knife only had one beat on the
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  Speaker 3: give Back, you know what I'm saying, And uh, that
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  Speaker 3: was it. But you know, in true fashion, fonte is
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  Speaker 3: a dope artist, you know what I'm saying. Pools a
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  Speaker 3: dope them see. Fonte is a dope them see. But
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  Speaker 3: a dope artist.
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  Speaker 4: Of course with the Foreigners Changed and everything like that.
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  Speaker 3: He had already had some had some success with the
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  Speaker 3: Foreigners Change, and of course the mixtape and the first
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  Speaker 3: two hours A Little Brother.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the dudes can rap, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they got a good ear for beats because
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, even outside of nine when
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  Speaker 3: they deal with with Crisis and other guys they they
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  Speaker 3: deal with over the years, Notts and you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I Tech and you know, and some of
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  Speaker 3: these guys on the album too, some of them, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I wasn't really worried about it.
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  Speaker 3: I was just a little upset because I really want
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  Speaker 3: I really wanted to see Knife and Fonteine and Pool
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  Speaker 3: make more music together, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 3: that was my big thing, Like I wouldn't worry about
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  Speaker 3: the album it's gonna be dope, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: But I wanted he to be with them, but you know.
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  Speaker 3: They had some differences, man, And I know people might
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  Speaker 3: have seen that not to be long when the people
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  Speaker 3: might have seen that documentary in their Little Brother dropped,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: talking points around that documentary that that I'll leave alone.
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  Speaker 3: But nevertheless, man, I mean, yeah, dope beats dope rohns
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  Speaker 3: like said, what do you want? They gave you that
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  Speaker 3: with to get back and you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: The production was, like I said, I enjoyed it, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I'm not gonna be busing
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  Speaker 3: said I didn't like it because night On did one
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  Speaker 3: bet Nah, that was dope, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Critically acclaimed like the other two before it. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't. They didn't.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't miss a beat in terms of putting out quality.
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  Speaker 3: But there were people saying they missed that the nice
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  Speaker 3: sound in terms of some of the soul soulfulness.
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  Speaker 4: H that they might' they might miss you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But nevertheless, man, A part of the Dope desography, and
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  Speaker 3: they have a Dope desigraph.
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  Speaker 4: Man, that is another chapter in it. Man, I ain't
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  Speaker 4: mad at it at all, Bro, And I think if
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  Speaker 4: you go back and listen to it now, it aged
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  Speaker 4: very well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it did age very well. And you
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  Speaker 2: made a great point because I think that was the thing. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I didn't have many people who
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  Speaker 2: didn't like it, but I know at that time that
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  Speaker 2: was the thing initially, Like as with any situation EPMD,
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  Speaker 2: coming back years later, yeah different, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: from what you were used to just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years later. So again, for those watching Very Dope Album,
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  Speaker 2: if you really only know their current stuff and maybe
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  Speaker 2: the first two albums and a couple of mixtapes with Ninth,
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  Speaker 2: definitely check it out get back addition to their catalog.
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  Speaker 2: But now we're want to get into the meat of
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  Speaker 2: this episode. You alreadys saw the title, you have a
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  Speaker 2: you saw the images.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: You see the image behind us. Maybe we'll make it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit bigger or whatever. Who cares, boy, We're
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  Speaker 2: here to talk about something that happened in hip hop
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  Speaker 2: at a time, not that long ago, but some people
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  Speaker 2: may have forgot. So we're really gonna drill down on
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  Speaker 2: this topic. Tom, tell the people what we're here to
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  Speaker 2: talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Look, man, we're still in inn C. Man, something for
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  Speaker 3: the good tonight. You know we just talked about we
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  Speaker 3: just talked about a little brother. We're gonna stay in
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  Speaker 3: see and we're gonna travel from from where Little Bros
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  Speaker 3: And Durham. We're gonna go over the fair non fair bill.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. For the third release of
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  Speaker 3: J Cole twenty fourteen, Forest Hills Drive, Man, And look,
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  Speaker 3: I think that when dop them Ss come out, sometime
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  Speaker 3: they first album define them and sometime yall can wait
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  Speaker 3: a little while just to get their full potential, to
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  Speaker 3: see they full spectrum of talent and skills.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: And even though Cold World Sideline Story was a solid start,
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  Speaker 3: we'll get into some of that and Bourne Center was
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  Speaker 3: another notch up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Force.
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  Speaker 3: Drive dropped Man December of twenty fourteen. Man, that's when
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  Speaker 3: it all came together. You know, that's when Ja Coble
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  Speaker 3: for me, he already showed you corrap when you think
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  Speaker 3: about his mixtape days. We're gonna talk about some of
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  Speaker 3: that in this episode as well, when you think about
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  Speaker 3: his mixtapes and showing up a certain radio stations freestyle
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  Speaker 3: and leading up to to sign with the Rockefeller I
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  Speaker 3: mean rock Nation, excuse me, and all of this stuff, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: he can rap, and we heard the first two albums
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  Speaker 3: he rapp and.
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  Speaker 4: He's spitting because he can spit.
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  Speaker 3: But when you listen to man as Forrest Hill, you
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  Speaker 3: start hearing more his melodies and harmonies.
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  Speaker 4: In some of these hooks he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: You saw him a little more creative with his production,
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  Speaker 3: because everybody know that Jacob do most of his own production,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So you heard some of that.
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  Speaker 3: I think his storytelling went up a whole another notch.
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  Speaker 3: His visuals for us, his videos changed a lot, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It got more deeper here and
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  Speaker 3: he started having some video some historic contexts in it,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And this is probably the
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  Speaker 3: album where Okay, now he's separating himself from a lot
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  Speaker 3: of peers, and this is probably the beginning when we
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  Speaker 3: start thinking about the Big Three.
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  Speaker 4: When you think about this is you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: After Kenji has dropped.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, little kid Man City and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, and Drake has already ascended, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, to Superstar proportions and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 4: Now you have j Cole you're.
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  Speaker 3: Looking at Okay, he got three three albums back to back,
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  Speaker 3: he got the mixtape run, He's built.
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  Speaker 4: His fan base now.
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  Speaker 3: So then it started to looking okay, these three guys now,
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  Speaker 3: because like I said a long time ago on early episode,
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  Speaker 3: every era had three or four guys that dominated the era.
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  Speaker 3: We think about of course, at one point Mo D
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  Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying, and Male and male
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  Speaker 3: and Grandma's to Kas and all of them. After that
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  Speaker 3: you had run dem C and al cool J and
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  Speaker 3: that crew. Then you had Kane Rod, Kim Cal Residents,
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  Speaker 3: g Rapp Slick Rickings of them in there. Then of
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  Speaker 3: course were moving to you know, well, Ice cubieres in
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  Speaker 3: there too. Then you think about Big Park jay Z,
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  Speaker 3: all of these guys in the night is red man.
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  Speaker 3: It was all hot. Then you get to the Kanye
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  Speaker 3: West and and t I and Fitness in all their error.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then after that era and of course little Waite
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  Speaker 3: is in between that. After all of those guys shine,
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  Speaker 3: now you have J Cole, Kendrick and Drake and you
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  Speaker 3: know what, this run with these three guys has been
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  Speaker 3: going on for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And that's another story for another day.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: But for us Hill drove to me it was kind
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: of like this is his almost his good kid man,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: seeing his desography.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, this is the one where
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: it all came together.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I still feel like it's probably J Cole's most complete album.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: It's probably his best album. And man, I'm glad to
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: talk about today.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So when you first heard for Us here, what was
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: your what was your initial thoughts? Do you remember the
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: first song you heard from it?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Vegae or just.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the first I don't remember the first song.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I think at that point I was like it started
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to because it's something I do now, started to ignore
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: singles just to wait.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Till the album. Now.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when I heard it already being a big
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: fan of mixtape J Cole, you know like this, this
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: is it. Like the first two albums were kind of
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: he was trying different things, you know, some of it
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: was more industry related. But you could see that the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Jay Cole that you know, I loved that as a.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Fan of the mixtape, you could see he was in
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: there on those albums.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And to your point, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I think you said it best. This was literally like
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: this would be a debut album for a lot of rappers.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: This is like a full on on introduction of who
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: he is. A lot of transparency, a lot of thought provoking,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: introspective type records mixed with bars, mixed with you know
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: where I'm from kind of rhyms and stuff like that.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: So when I heard it, I already thought it was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a classic because I felt like it was a perfect
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: execution and introduction to who j Cole really was. Because
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like in the very beginning, rock Nation was
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: trying to match, like because maybe we should just do
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a Big Three episode, but there was at that time
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of the Big Three, there was others vying to be
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that Big three, like Meek Mell and Wilelet Cuddy like
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: all the same time and these three rolls. But it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: was like Drake and Kendrick kind of established themselves in
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: this way early on, whereas with with Jay Cole, this
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: third album was kind of like, Okay, I've arrived, Like
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Tone says, So, yeah, I was in. I was impressed
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and I was happy he actually got to do it
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: and he didn't have no features.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, holding out an album, I think
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that that's still not giving up respected deserves. When MC
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: pretty much hold down the entire album, you know, two
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: or three verses, most time three verses.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Alone, you know what I'm saying.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Like I've heard people in groups before say, man, my
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: first solo album outside of the group was tough because
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I was used to writing a verse four songs, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Now I got to write three
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: verses four a song.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: You start seeing certain people start having two many songs.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: They was run out of stuff to say, you know
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But Jake Cole's a writer too. That's
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: what people got to understand. If you even look at
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: listen to his early rhymes, early early mixtapes. I mean,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: he's he's he's a he's a true him. See, he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a true writer. So I'm not surprised that how great
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: he did without having any assistance in terms of like
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: a bunch of features on his album. I wasn't surprised
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: by that. I just really enjoyed the way he brought
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: it all home because, like I said, I think the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: first album, you know, he regulated was of course, hey,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: we need that single right there, we need this, this
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and this, and so you kind of step outside of
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: what you're comfortable doing, which is why I believe in
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Boring Center, he had to joint let Nas down, you
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, because man was like, yo, man,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really like that song you did, man, so
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: so he loved Nods, so he kind of like he
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: you know, he wrote that song about it. Then Nod's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: end up jumping on the remix, you know what I'm saying,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: addressing it and everything like that. I just thought that
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: was dope. But that was just to show that Jake
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Cole was aware, you know what I'm saying, And he
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: did show that growth in the second album. But the
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: third album, man like, and again that's the important of people.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: You know, you can see a third album, some people
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: started falling.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Off a little bit.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Every time I was getting better, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Like Cole got his third album, he had the clips
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: everything heet done before that as an overall them cee,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And I heard apparently first,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I think apparently it was the first single, and I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: heard that joint I thought, I said, you know what,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Cole Robin Man. I liked the vibe of the song,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and I was looking forward to the album because I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: think the single came out really right before the album dropped,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Then I heard the album
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: and it was one of the ones where I actually
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: could listen to her all the way straight through. And
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: when I finished, I was totally satisfied. I like the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: first two.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I liked both of them.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Man, I really like Boring said a lot more than
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: a sideline story. But I still felt like your little
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a little bit to be desired, you know
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like it's a little bit. And now
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I wasn't disappointed. I thought it was good. But this
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: was when I got there. I think there's twelve tracks
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: on this album.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I think when I got like the last song, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: was like, you know what, he brought it home and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: did something special. And I said, for this generation, his
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: core fan base, they might call it a class right.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I was thinking I was like, it might be pushing that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: That C word that I hate to use a lot,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: and people know me, No, I don't like to use
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: that word a lot at all.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I fight against that world
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: but that word.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: But I also have to be fair, say calling twenty
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: fourteen the classic is not.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: How Purple, it's not far Fish.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Because if I can be forty nine and call albums
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I love from Gradham Seeds from the eighties and nineties
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a classic, why can't some guy to look at cold
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: when I look at nas be like, Nah, fort Hill,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that's that's the class.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: That's it was written to me, that's my that's why
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: it was written.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Same with somebody you know in their thirties might be like, well,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Wayne's our tupac or Wayne is our snoop.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I can't get mad at that, you know what I'm saying.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So if somebody feel it deserves that type of praise,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you get no arming from me, man, because it's actually
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: a no skill album.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And you know what, also, like what people need to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: understand because I think people from our generation and maybe
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: some who are older, who are at least still in
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the mix somewhat when you know when they argue those
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: things like how can it be a classic, and they're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: thinking about classics of their time. This album is ten
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: years old. It's more than enough time to press play
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: now and say, yeah, I remember that time and it
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is this shit aged well and it's perfect the way
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, I mean you make a great point
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I'll listen to it again.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Probably a week ago when we was talking about it
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: and I listened to it, I had a commute, I
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: put it in and played this hard thing and I actually,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: funny enough, it's just something better than I remember. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: thought it was great when I heard it back in
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the day, and I you know, but you know a
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: lot of times with the new age away with listen
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: to music, you got playlists now a lot of times,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: so hearing the album and it's entirely you know what
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. I do have time to time where albums
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: from every era because I want that feel of the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: album again to go on that journey.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: So when I when I rode to this J Cole
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: joint last week, I.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Went on that journey with J Cole again, man, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I felt the growth and I felt he was way
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: more worldly and even it felt like he had been
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: studying Black history. You know what I'm saying, Like this
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: kind of way. Some of his rhymes were man and
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: just the imagery on on the video was a G
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: O M D. You know what I'm saying, Like it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the slave narrative type thing or whatever, and so the slave,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: you know, in the house and all of that. So
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: he was kind of going somewhere different with the album.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: But I'm gonna take you real quick, man. I put
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: on that January twenty eighth. Man, I played that like
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: three times before I got to the next song. Then
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I listen to the album all the way through because
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you know, Cole talking. I think this is his birthday,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And he's talking about his
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: life and growing up, his family, you know what I'm saying,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: his experience, you know what I'm saying. You know, because
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: he was a military kid, I believe, and then end
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: up but I think it was born and go see
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: they ended up in Fairville or whatever with his mom and.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Stuff like that. So he's a storyteller.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So he told the story of his life on January
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: twenty eighth, and he kind of kept doing that throughout
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the album songs as well. Man, But I was probably
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: that's the one I played the most right now. Man,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: But just I know you listen to albums more like
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: units and singles and stuff like that. But is there
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: any songs well, let me tell you this. Let me
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: say this, first three songs I listen to a lot, man,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I go and detail later I listened Jared twenty eighth,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I listen to adolescents. That storytelling on adolescents is remarkable.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And I listened to Apparently. Man, just the creativity of
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: those three songs. Man, have any songs on that that
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you probably you would go to more than those?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, like I got a I got a couple
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: of favorites, like I like Apparently, which also the other
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: singles no role Models, I really like?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, model is dope.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And I was like Wet Dreams because ye to your point,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like you just already talked about.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: How other songs had you know, this one's about his
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: life and this one has has some historical context as
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: far as like black history.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: But then you have a record like Wet Dreams.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: That most dudes when you're young can relate to about
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you know, losing your virginity, but not in the overly.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Not like the rat way, you know, like that, it
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: ain't that way.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: More so being shy, being scared, you know, questioning himself, trying.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: It's not like what it sounds like a Jacobs, right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It sounds like adolescents, right, you know you're not confident
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: when you're becoming a young man.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: And you know what, he wasn't trying to go over
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the top and be over the top. There's not his personality, right,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, right, right exactly.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But I think that was the thing that made me
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: like the album the most because I remember.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Listening to it in the gym, you know, when I'm
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: working out, and you know, when somebody's telling so many
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: stories and you know, you have so many different ideas.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And concepts, the time just flies when you're listening.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't wake up to say, he already
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: did this thing and this one's not as good as
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the other one, so let me skip that joint. Like
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you said, you could listen to it straight through, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's aged pretty well to your point.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Is dope too? Right? Right? That was kind of that
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: was a single too, because I think he had four
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: or five singles.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah apparently apparently was released in December ninth, twenty fourteen.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Went Dreams was released the second single in April fourteen,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. No Role Models August twenty fifteen, and Love
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Yours was February twenty sixteen. So this is one of
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: the things where somebody riding the album the way they
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: supposed to and letting the marinate, because I mean, basically
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: dropped the December of twenty fourteen, but you still release
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the singles in twenty sixteen, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And that might seem crazy to a lot of kids
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: now because everything is microwave. But if you go back
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and I recently was looking at some Janet Jackson albums
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: like Rhythm Nation for example, and I remember she was
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: releasing songs for that from that album for like three years,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And you know, some of
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: those artists back then, if they they if they album
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: end up becoming something legendary or a huge hit, they
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: released songs for a long time. They dropped four singles
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: in like six months. They they you might get like
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I said, just like with this, you might you might
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: get singles with three different year on three different calenders,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: So that was how it was back then, man. So yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: he did a good job with those singles. Man. They
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: fit the album perfect.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And you know what, he didn't do too much, you
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like when you look at the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: track listening, like I said, I think it's twelve songs
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: on the album, you know what I'm saying. So, and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I think it ended well, that's last Softwares thirteen No
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to Seth. It's the last track on the album. And
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: again I'm big on the album start and I'm big
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: on the war album end. So having that Jayware twenty
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: eighth is the first track and then this Jordan Note
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the Self is the last track. I think that's a
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: that's a dope start, dope ending. And I think the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: middle of you know, the mid midway through the album,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you got that feeling, that vibe.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I just think he did a fantastic and it was
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: critically acclaimed and I think it's so very very well
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: It was a big hit.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It was a big and you know, when you when
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you look at the build up from then, because j
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Cole had so much promise, just like most of the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: other cats, right, they were doing the mixtape thing. Jake
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Cole was even doing the mixtape thing in between albums,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and he got got pretty solid to great uh mixtape catalog.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but before that, let me say this real quick,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I just looked at something. I wanted to make sure
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I got this right. So Forrest Hill sold three hundred
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and fifty three thousand copies in the first week, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: less than two years it was platinum, and now by
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen it's triple platinum.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: So, so you're talking about a triple platinum album and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: he's talking about almost four hundred thousand copies in the
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: first week.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Cole was a start.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Here's a start. And this is the reason why I said,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: this is the one where he started separating himself. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you can start looking at him with the drinks and
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: kitchen lamars because at that moment, he was starting to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: leave his comping outside of those guys.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that, Like when you talk
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: about like the sales and the success, you could tell
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, I was gonna say everything.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say. Rockefeller, Rockaway, Rock Nation didn't really
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: know how to package J Cole trying different things, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: once he actually did him, which is this album like completely,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: there really was no going back, Like he never went
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: back to any of the things he did, like you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: certain radio signals singles that you know they were they
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: were hits, but they didn't do this kind of work
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: for him, and he got to.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Keep you know, his manufactured It wasn't him.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: These singles sound like something from his persona, you know
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, instead of Hey, he talk about that
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: on Letting Ods Down, about you know, your jam and
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: rock nation. They bought them singles. They need the singles,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and so I think he had to step outside his
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: comfort zone because to your point where we little back
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: to these mixtapes, when you're making that kind of music,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Ja Coble basics rapper, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: the boom back rapper, you know what I'm saying. It
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: was this mixtapes. I mean, he's influenced obviously about New York. Uh,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: he went to Saint John's, he spent time in New York,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and then he came back to fact that no k
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: back and forth of New York.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I think he I think he lived in.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: New York now probably you know what I'm saying, so man,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he was more of a more of a
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: guy of a rhyma, was some soul samples and you
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: know he made beats like like your Kanye and Ninth
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and all them, and been from North Carolina real quick.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Uh. He used to come down to a Little Brother
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: show and stuff.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: But they used to come down and see Little Brother
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Ninth and all of them and Cat's Cradle here in
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: North Carolina.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: You know. So he's a Carolina kid who was influenced
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: by New York and also influenced by bout nine and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: like people like Ski, you know, people like that here
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: in North Carolina. And Cole has made some good beats,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: So yeah, man, Yes, I think.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: One of the things, like.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: With J.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Cole, because he didn't have the especially not out the gate,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: but he didn't have the big hits that Drake had
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that sort of made him a household name. Kendrick was
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a household name, but he was still unknown to most
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: until later albums where he really started to hit big
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: for some of his music, or with J. Cole, he
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: was always kind of the guy who was just as good, yes,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: but he just hadn't gotten to that point where he
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: practed the top ten to have a triple platinum album
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: where the truest form of you in the music is
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: dope because he was able to like write his own
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: ticket man, and really what the I felt like it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: kind of like Big Crit right discovering Big Krit for
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: me and his during his mixtape Run was like, oh man,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: he make his own beats, The covers are hot, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: bars are there, like everything was just dope. And then
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: he goes to death Jam and they try to polish
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: it a little bit too much, and then it doesn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: really sound like Crit anymore. It just sounds like this
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: version of him that the mixtape fans weren't fans of.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: When you would like, well, for one, what's your favorite
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: J Cole mixtape? But when you would just look, when
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you just look at his mixtape run, you know what
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I don't want to say what if?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: But what was your impression of J Cole? I know
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you said some of it, but what were your impressions
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of him before he had the whole rock nation and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: stuff like that? And it was just mixed teams.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Well, when I first started to come up, man, you
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: know he's younger and raw. We always talked about Carolina fan.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But I love that so much, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I'm from North Carolina, man, So it's pride and that no, no,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: no question. It's like Brooklyn. It's like Bigger saying Brooklyn,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: we did it, you know what I'm saying. Or it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: like Andre saying South got something to say, you know
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So it's the same thing. So it
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: was a lot of pride, and I like the way
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: he always referenced places in North Carolina. You know what
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. He made you know, yeah he went to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Saint John's and all this stuff. But he was still
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: letting you know, I'm a native of in c. You
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, he' gonna want a rep in C.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: So I so to come up, man, I was like, yo, dude,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: can spit. You know what I'm saying. You have the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: right little beaks that fit his vibe and his voice.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't know how large he's gonna get, obviously by
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: you know, listener.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: To come up.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: That was a dope mixtape, and I was like, he
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: might end up being all right, Man, I'm gonna keep
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: checking for him. Let me just say that, I'm gonna
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: keep ja Cole. But man, that's two thousand and seven.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: But by two.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Thousand and nine, man, when that when that know, the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: warm up came next, and then the warm up was
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: like he's he's getting better. He's even better than he
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: was gonna come up. And I'm like, Okay, I'm ready
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: for this cat to drop an album or something because
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: he's good. He's real, man, he's really good, like really good.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And again obviously n see yo,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: let's get it, you know what I'm saying.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: But and I think during that time when we signed
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: a rock Nation around two thousand and nine, sat around
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the same time the warm up came out all that
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: rock Nation. But a year after that, a year after
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: that is when it all came together, brother, when Friday Night,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Friday Night Light the mixtape came out, and that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Ship was his debut album for me most it's not
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: a mixtape right.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Here, this is an album. And I'm the first time
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: going going through that. Every track, I was like, if
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: this is a debut album. It's four to half mikes.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: M That's what I was like.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: This like foroid to have mikes to me out of
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: five like I was, I was like, yeah, he's one
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: of them mos. Now I'm expecting a pretty nice career
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: from this dude. Once I heard Friday Night Likes, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't know when his debut gonna come out,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: but if it's anything like this, because this is his
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: debut to me, is what I was thinking at the time.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, morre the comers like this man, he might
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: be one of the ones for his generation.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: That's what I was.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, man. So when you first
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: heard first of all, did you hear though to Come Up?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: When it came out, man, would you it was your
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: on time or you're late to the.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Party or what I was late to the party?
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I think I had to go back because I heard
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the warm up first, and I remember I remember seeing
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the Come Up album cover or the cover to the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: mixtape at the same time I saw the warm up
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and I was like, it was kind of dope, Like
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: this dude played ball and he's he's naming these mixtapes
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: after you know, things related to the balls like he
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: didn't he didn't get to go further in that lane,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: but he's using the rap lane to kind.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Of mirror that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, you know, I thought he
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: was dope, you know, But I became a fan of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Friday Night Lights because when I heard that, I was like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to your point, I was like, yo, this is section eighty,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Like Yo, this is an album. This is an album.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And when I heard Viill Maddic, I was like, Yo, yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: this guy's this guy's like I don't know, you know
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: what it was. It's it's with the Big Three, especially
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Kendrick and j Cole specifically. It was one of those
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: things that told me, oh, okay, we wrap it. Hip
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: hop's going to stick around. It's not going to turn
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: into something less than because these guys represent something old
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: but also something new, right. I think that's what I
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: like most about him, and I think, honestly that's what
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: spoiled me for the debut album because here a Friday
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Night Lights and then getting to the debut I was like,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: what are they trying to do with him? Like they're
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: trying to make him like Drake almost with some of
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the singles, not all of them and the jay Z
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: featured like that song wasn't great. I just didn't understand
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: what they were trying to do. When he just basically
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: gave you three classic mixtapes in a row. Uh, it
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: just seem only right to make the album just as great.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think once they start stepping back,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: he was able to come to his own. Don't try
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: to create something new when you got the talent right here,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you got to let him spread his wings. And that's
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: kind of what he did all his mixtapes, but of
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: course on Front Lights. But they end up doing that
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: again on this twenty fourteen album.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Right hold. Look, so.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Obviously to those watching you know this, we think this
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: album is dope when it drops, mixtaped run you know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Whatever we thought about the debut, Born Center was definitely
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: him coming back to form, and uh, twenty fourteen Forest
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Hills Drive was like.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: His magnum opus.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Uh, but let's talk about how it sits within this
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: catalog now Ton he's had since then, and it's his
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: tick talking about everybody's opinion more so than just how
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: maybe we feel about it. But we could say how
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: we feel about it, but most people kind of felt
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like it was more of a roller coaster ride with
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: his albums because his follow up it seemed like his
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: fans didn't like it at all, you know what I'm saying.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And what was it for your eyes only? Something like that?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's for your eys only. I think
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of people complaining about for your eys only.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: And that was in twenty sixteen because he had Yeah,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: So I think that's the one where.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: You go back now you probably can appreciate it more
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: right than at the time because again, now anytime this
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: is a given curzonl dropping like maybe a generational classic album.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: For example, twenty fourteen comes out, So two years later,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I think twenty sixteen for your Arizona come out. I
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: think it's a good album, but it came out after
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: a great album. Yeah, it came after his best album
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: at that time. I mean in his career, you know
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and probably maybe the overall best project
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: kids he's had. So that's big shoes to feel when
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you come out of you know, the great body of work. Man,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of people get parking their runt man
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: when they drop a real great albums they first album
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: or third or whatever, and then whatever it dropped.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Just it's just like people say, Okay, it was written,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: gonna sound aufter here? Hell? Man, you know what I'm saying,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: How is you know how you gonna follow that up?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Or you know, okay, mom, he dropped the Infamous is
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: their second album, you know, and they it is their
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: second album. People, they didn't have Juvenile here, But anyway
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: after Infamous is like, well, what they're gonna do after that?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: But they drop Hell on Earth? You know what I'm saying.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: So a lot of people can't do that. You know
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, it's hard to come after your
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: best project, man, or something that's special in the eyes
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: of the hip hop community, man, so or all that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: for that particular fan base.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: You almost spoil the fans.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: So when they heard twenty fourteen, then they got the
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: four Yards. Only he caught some He caught some criticism,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: but it's to be expected. Man, the more work you
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: put out, somebody's not gonna like it. But I thought,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: for your eyes on it, what's solid. But do you
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: remember the album?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Man, Well to your point real quick, I think it
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: does make sense.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: There was like four singles off the album he did
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a tour, right, he did a documentary for it. He
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: had a live album that dropped, you know, that was
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: basically twenty fourteen Forrest Hills dropped the live version yeap,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: so you they kind of like milked that. So when
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: For Your Eyes Only drops, I think as an artist,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: what he was trying to do was to do something
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: different but more in line with some of the tones
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: of songs he's done in the past, which he's done
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: songs like this before.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. I honestly, I was kind of
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: shocked that people who didn't like it or were clowning stuff.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Like folding clothes or full clothes. Was like I like,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: because it was it was real records. It was basically
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: what he had gave you. But like you said, it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: difficult to match that because you have to either decide
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get people more the same, or you're gonna
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: go completely left, or you're going to use that as
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a springboard for similar content.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what he did for people weren't
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: ready for it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Now twenty eighteen, though he drops kod and I feel
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: like people didn't like that.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: What did you think about that? John Man?
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I like kod Man. You know what I'm saying, that
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: was a dope album. You know what I'm saying.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: So I thought it was better for y'alls only. You
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I thought he stepped it up
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: another notch again and he was back on board. You
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like I have look at points
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: about it, man. I even liked the singles, man, Like
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was a dope album.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I know some people still.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm tell you when certain guys can spit
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: in and start out in a mixtape of error or
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: their own little mixtape era, you don't want to see
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: artists grow.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: It's like fifty since start of mixtapes. By the time
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: to get to you know, the massacre, it's like, oh
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: he got candy shopping.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, man, but he gave up teen mixtapes. WoT You
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So it like artists want to grow and have fun
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: and do different things, man, and j Cole started playing
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: with more and more different flows, man, And you know
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and production and everything just growing as
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: an artist.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, so I thought KOD was
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: like more of the advanced version before your eyes only.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I just think he just took it to a.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Little notch and he might have heard the birds triple
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit and say, Okay, let me go in
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit harder, you know what I'm saying. I
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: thought they did that with A with ko D. And
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I think, uh, what was the off season?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: The off season?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, after that on the off season, and.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Man, it has some joints on it has it has
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: a couple of boomba joints on the two for the boomb.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Belt heads, right, Yeah, like ko D. I was a
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: big fan of it because you know it was a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: concept album man, Yeah, you know, like.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Honestly ATM joint man at was dope.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Right, and especially what the concept was for it was
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: it was more about him looking at the hip hop
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: game and feeling like a lot of hip hop artists
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: were pandering, uh two kids with drug infused music.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: To be like you know, addicts. Damn there, you know
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they do drugs, but all the music suggested that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, Ko D had a conscious
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: element to it, like you said, with the concept been
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: a concept album, man, he had consciousness throughout the album.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Right right, which is so weird. But you know, I
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: don't know what people want from Coal. But like you said,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to your point, the off season drops and Bars is
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the backdrop, because that's really what he concentrated on, Like, Yo,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I'm one of the best. I think it's really when
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: he started to feel like I am one of the best.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I am one of the Big Three. You know, I spit,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I'm superior, wraperp blah blah blah. But obviously those who
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: watch and yes, we know, we've we even did episodes
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: on it and on that. We know everything that's happened
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: between Tony's channel and my channel. But let's just talk
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: real quick about the Big Three ten years later, right,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: ten years removed from something like twenty fourteen Forest Hills Drive,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: and J Cole is, you know, putting out these three
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: styles he's kind of doing with Drake, and Drake does
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: with his you know, Time Stamp Records and Kendrick with
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the Heart series.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. J Cole kind of does that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Also, he puts out joints where he kind of addresses
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: something up front, whether it's Kanye or another rapper or whatever.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: But he started to like get on this crazy streak
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: of like incredible features from features with Benny, features on
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Gangstar album and stuff like that that obviously linking up
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: with Drake knowing where we are tone with J Cole
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and some of the music we discussed, and the admiration
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: most fans had for him going into what he says
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: will be his final album, The fall Off or I
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: think that's supposed to be the final.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: The fall Off. What do you think J Cole has
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to do?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Because it seems like, based off of what we said
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: throughout these years and all these different albums and reactions
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to him, his fan base seems to be and I'm
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: not talking about hardcore, but just people like him, seems
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to be a little fickle when it comes to J Cole.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: So what could he do to kind of remind people
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of the great music he's put out?
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: You know, he's like a dude in the NBA. Who
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, the dude average twenty five a game man
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: every year. But you're like, yeah, but it ain't twenty eight,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It's kind of like somebody
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: always feel like they don't get me wrong when you
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: come to this Dreamville stuff and his tools and all that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Don't get wrong, he has an incredible fans base, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: some people believe in him one hundred percent. Like you said,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: we just about the average hip hop fans. I think
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: his gift is his curse. Sometimes when you givet it
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: like that, somebody think that everything you do you gotta
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: be only biple Q links. You know what I'm saying,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Like everything you do gotta be knocked out the part
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: when what's like I said, what's probably having a bunch
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: of dope albums.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe a.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Person has a classic classic album and they design maybe
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: one if you're lucky, it's somebody has one. Most people
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: don't have any. But why can't just somebody being dope?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Dope MC, dope lyrics, dope balls,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: and other people get obsessed with dope songwriting, dope storytelling.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: He displayed this on every project he does, you know
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: He even displayed that all that or that mixed that,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: mixed up take what he did this year that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: I might delete later or something like that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So he was right on that joint, right, you know
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like it's never enough for some people though,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: and then you know the fall Off coming, and he
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: did that song san Antonio or something like that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that joint he's spitting on that.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: He addressed everything on over the Big Three, potential Battle,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: all of this stuff like that. I thought he had
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: dressed it perfectly. The beat was, Oh yeah, like that
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: dead President joint. You know what I'm saying, Like.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I think that even when the fall Off
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: come out.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: As great as I think, it's probably gonna be somebody saying, huh, well,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I like twenty fourteen better or I like something better.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: You know how. That's how fans do, man. You know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: you're always have some people who don't always have a complaint.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: But I think that if you look at his desography, Man,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: if you look at first of all the mixtapes plus
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: the albums, Cold got about twelve thirteen projects many You
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, that's a lot of work for.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Someone not in the group.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: For something that someone who probably makes seventy percent of
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: his own productions, beats, who writes his rhymes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, who start his own like label,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: who has.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: A big festival every year, that's very successful, very properly
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: bringing eight listeners to Dreamville. You know what I'm saying,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Like Cold elegend North Carolina, Man, I mean, I know
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: people always only want to look at our eight is
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: the nineties people as legends. We don't want to look
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: at nobody else because you know what I'm saying. We
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: are older guys, older people, older fans. We have our
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: ways about us. You know it's unfair. You know what
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. What Jay Coles that has done with his
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: albums in his career and with his dream Bill. He'll
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: let you hear North Carolina. He letend hip hop anyway.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: He'll let you hear North Carolina. You know what I'm saying.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And the biggest oball acted hip hop out of North
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Carolina as a rapper, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: people can argue like a man, And I see people
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: argue who's better between him and Fante as far as rapping. Well, okay,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: y'all can debate that Fonte is Fante. Do you know
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Who the better artists? Well, some people
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: think Jacob, A lot of people think Fante because now
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: on Da Fonte ap the Little Brother his solo career
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: and the foreigners change, you know what I'm saying, because
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: they got grammarized for that foreigner change or leave it
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: all behind. That's a fantastic R and B SO album.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: So you can argue who the best between these two guys.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: But Ja Cole is the biggest start out of No
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Carolina hip hop, right, you know what I'm saying, because
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Night is more of a legend of culture. But as
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: a producer, as an educator, as a professor at college stuff,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: it's just different. Right, As far as a celebrity, that's Jaco.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But man, you know, but but you asked something earlier.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna talk about I think, how to rank his
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: albums to a degree.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, well hold up because we can. We can
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: kind of end with that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I kind of jumped the gun, okay, but real quick,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: you know, to your point regarding the fall off, I
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: think unfortunately, I think, like me personally, as a as
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: an old school cat, I don't have any problems with
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: like what J Cole releases because of what he's given us, Right,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I can't ignore what was dope about it.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not of a generation where the battle itself has
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: now made me look at him differently. It has made
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: me look at him differently. You can't be talking goat
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: shit top five or whatever and duck and smoke. I
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: don't care if it wasn't gonna be no fight, But
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I feel like we
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: live in a social media society where they're so hyper
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: critical that even if he don't talk about none of
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: that battle stuff. And he makes a very dope album
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: which he's done where it wasn't about Top five and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, like kod and even twenty fourteen, though
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: like you don't get you're not overwhelmed with the bar talk.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: He's very capable of making that again. I'm just afraid
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: we live in a time where they just can't let
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: stuff go.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: They can't. I'm gone back and forth. How many people
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: about this on Twitter?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: And look, let me make make this point because a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: lot of people are hypocrites, right, Okay, j Cole didn't battle. Okay,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: cool the hip hop in me says one thing. But
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: that's all fun and games when it comes to hip hop.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: But some of y'all out there still listening to R Kelly,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: still listen to people who have done.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Far worse than what Jake Cole has done.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Like, sure, you can have your little fun cloud all
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: you d to smoke blah blah, but it's really not
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: that serious.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Later was good, It.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Was very good.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: But I've seen people type in and summers could just
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: be people typing in a kind of craple on social
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: medi because that's what they do. But this whole thing, man,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I used to like Ja Cob since it did that
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: smoke angle.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: This is music no more? What do you mean? What
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: do you mean? I ain't gonna listen to that new album? Okay,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: we'll find will right right makes no sense to me,
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: like the hip.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Hop and us, Like, man, you should have went on
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: and because you you did this kimdr get that other song,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: so you was throwing shots. You was throwing shots though,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: so you should have you know, you could have done
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: with what was expected, but you didn't.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: You explain why I accepted, brother, that's what you feel like.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I accept it.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: When the fall Off come out, I've been listening to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: it on the first day come out. Trust why he's
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: a jup from sea. Second all, I'm gonna give my
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Native n C a look regardless.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Right, hey, look, I remember when Nashal Domas came out,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: come on Man, this was coming right to me, Like
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: what do you think? Yeah, I think it's garbage. Like
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I was hurting, I was spend. I'm gonna go spend
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: my money because that's the homie. You know what I'm saying. Absolutely,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I get it, and I just I just hate where
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: because I watched a ton of people talk about it. Obviously,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I made my videos and I shared my opinion, but
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that wasn't going to stop me from listening to somebody
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: like that. Like he's already shown they could rap about
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: a million different things and it really doesn't have to
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: be about top fives. The only person who seems to
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: care about that right now is Drake.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Drake. Drake cares about his spot and
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: He's been on top or you know, as well as
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: probably the biggest artist in music.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: For a decade. You know what I'm saying. More you
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: know what I'm now?
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, Kendrick is the hottest thing in hip
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: hop in terms of overall. We know Drake, if he
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: does something, he'll string maybe more than everybody because he's
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: more famous in terms of technically the most famous.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Rapper probably right now.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, or whatever. So yeah, but yeah,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Drake cares about it. What they all care about being
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: in the one that expressed it different. You know what
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, they all care because again that's where one
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: of the battles did happen or words was changed with
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: all of them because we said this before.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: I've said this on several episodes there.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: That came on the b CD DVD said back in
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the day, Tom can't be in the same room talking
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: about in the best.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That's what he said on
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: the d B DVD, the first one. It's true. So
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: all so Drake, Drake cares in his way, Kendrick cares
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: in his way, and Cole he's he took these shots
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: best rapped alive. He said that several.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Times over the years, and his rhymes right right, you
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: ain't talking ship and stuff like that. But at the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: same time, when he any when when when you really
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: good and something and you in your zone, you're like, man,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I'm the best right now at this thing now and
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: everybody's spitting like this right now.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: So there's been times where.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, he probably felt it was, especially during the
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: time we did that feature with been in the Butcher.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I think, right, Yeah, John
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: P's Caddy.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Again for those watching and listening, you know,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: it's about hip hop at the end of the day.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: And again j Cole has displayed skill in almost every
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: area we talked about, conscious, talked about historical context, you know,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: just everything. If you go through his catalog, so tone
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen Forest Hills Drive, do you think it's a
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: hip hop classic? And is it the best album or
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the best project over mixtapes and everything in his catalog.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: This is a tough question because my favorite project is
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Friardy night Lights. That's my favorite.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: He's probably most complete by the work to me is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: twenty fourteen.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: But my favorite Friday night Lights and Fronda night Light
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: was an official album. I'd be arguing right now which
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: one is better between between the two, between Friday Lights
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: and twenty fourteen, because those are the two best projects
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to me. But we're talking about just albums, then twenty
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: fourteen to miss his best album. Then I won't rank
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: the albums, but I would just say it's the best one.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: But and outside of that one, the album I probably
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: listened to the most outside of that one is probably.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: No, no, I think it might be the off season,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: off season. I like the off season, man, I probably
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: listen to that one. The second most what about you.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Uh for me was I was trying to see real
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: quick because y'all, I think if I remember correctly, we
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: did an episode on Friday Night Lights.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, we did, Yeah, we did. We did fifteen.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So I have that link below for those who want
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: to see how we talk about that particular mistape because
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: we covered it before.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I agree. I feel it's exact same way as you.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights is probably my favorite.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: When our press play is just a whole different connection
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: with that project than it is with everything else. It's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like you said, when you're hearing something really really dope
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: for the first time, that shit comes back yeah years
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: later and.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Listen to it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: It sounds fantastic right now, right.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Right right fantastic.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And then this album we're talking about today, twenty fourteen
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Forest Hills Drive, I feel just like you also. I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: feel like it's his most complete album project front the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: back press play.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: You don't have to skip anything. You don't have to oh.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of like this song where I don't it's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: it's best served all together.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: You know what I didn't.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't aim because I didn't answer your question all
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: the way though, what's that I tinkered on it being
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: a hip hop classic. I'm right there at it for
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: anybody in this generation. Like I said earlier in the episode,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you call a classic, I won't debate you.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: When I listen to it again last week, like I said,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, this is an amazing album. Man,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: it's really it's really dope. And look at the singles
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: and the success of and everything. I think I'll go
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: on record and say for this generation, I called hip
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: hop classic because it checked all it checks all the boxes.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: It had impact.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: It's three million records, three hundred thousand, three hundred and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: fift thousand the first week at the time when it
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: came out, Like I said, the singles, the videos, you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. The tours, he can he wrapped
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: his ass off, but he still gets commercial success.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: So man, the way people try to base stuff right now,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Not be I guess, yeah, I agree, And I think
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: one of the things that makes it easy enough for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: me to call it a classic. It's for a lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: of the same things you mentioned obviously, you know the impact,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: the sales, the singles, the you know, the documentary, the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: fact that they were able to put a live album
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: out for it. It was just a whole movement in itself.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Hence while we're doing it right here on that time
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: in hip hop. But also when you drill down to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the album and having different concepts, like there are plenty
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: of MC's who will have an album full of different
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: subject matter, it's another thing to perfect each one, right,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Like what dreams isn't a.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Too short?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Did those kind of songs better? Or WHO'SI Rap? Did
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: those songs better?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: No, that song is in line with a ton of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: songs like that, same thing with no role models, same thing.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: But apparently like if his pen game was on point,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: the production was perfect.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: For what he was doing.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Two Cities.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: We didn't name that one tailor two Cities, right, right,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: So you know what I'm saying, Like, I think it
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: just checks.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: A lot of boxes even in itself as an album that.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: You're justself for everybody on the album.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Right right, right, But yeah, so what do y'all think?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen Forest Hills drive J Cole's third album.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's a classic? Did you like it?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Did you hear it? Are you looking forward to the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: fall off from J Cole? Battle tainted you? You know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to hear from him, maybe you
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: will give to listen, you know, because of his history.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: And again, what we're doing, we're not doing like what
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: happened in the last couple of months. We're looking at
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: the context of this man's career.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: His body of work and this particular album and all
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: the admiration that came from that album. Like there was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: a whole movement of platinum with no features based off
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: of this album because it was rare for a younger
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: generation to have that, you know what I'm saying and general,
• 1:05:33
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• 1:05:37
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• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Number of hip hop topics similar to some of the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: stuff we talk about here the years, things like that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: we did an episode dope stuff.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Also follow him on Twitter, you know, because he on there.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: You know, he got to back down all these assholes
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: every fun every five minutes about whatever it may be.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Anythings you want to put out their tone that you're
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: working on.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Nah, No, not right now, man, just probably this week.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I have another episode of the Dome podcast YouTube. Like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Bank said, of course, turn of the Dome on Twitter.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: It's on Twitter too. I don't know how they got
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: it my name or whatever. Nevertheless, man, pretty easy to find. Man.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Just enjoy music, man, So we're discussing every genre music.
• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:35
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