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- 0:01Speaker 1: When you're going out to kill somebody, if you're seen
- 0:06Speaker 1: by a single other person on the trail, then that
- 0:11Speaker 1: day's screwed.
- 0:12Speaker 2: In Cherokee County, Georgia, a sheriff's deputy stops to question
- 0:15Speaker 2: a man parked on private hunting lands. At worst, the
- 0:18Speaker 2: man is guilty of trespassing, or so the deputy thinks
- 0:22Speaker 2: as he approaches.
- 0:24Speaker 3: Good.
- 0:24Speaker 1: What's up, sir?
- 0:27Speaker 4: What you doing out here?
- 0:28Speaker 3: But behind this man's friendly demeanor.
- 0:30Speaker 4: Is a calculating predator hiding bloody secrets and a lengthening
- 0:32Speaker 4: trail of bodies.
- 0:57Speaker 3: Life has been sweet. We've got to document it. Look,
- 1:00Speaker 3: I'm taking your picture, Wadandi. Come for immortality, right?
- 1:05Speaker 5: If there's deer hunters around, I can be wearing a
- 1:07Speaker 5: purple shirt, that red backpack, and they're going to tell
- 1:11Speaker 5: me I'm going to get shot.
- 1:12Speaker 4: But, you know, that's a common threat.
- 1:14Speaker 1: When you say, I won't kill anyone today, we'll just
- 1:17Speaker 1: go hiking with my dog, have fun. Time ordained anyway.
- 1:22Speaker 1: I'm leaving.
- 1:22Speaker 4: I'm getting out of here. God almighty.
- 1:25Speaker 3: Can I get your ID real quick?
- 1:26Speaker 4: Yeah, you sure can. And it's in a... You see
- 1:30Speaker 4: that fanny pack right there? Is there any weapons in
- 1:33Speaker 4: that fanny pack? Absolutely not, and I'm going to bring
- 1:35Speaker 4: it to you.
- 1:36Speaker 2: The deputy follows the man back to his van, never
- 1:38Speaker 2: suspecting for a moment that he is in the presence
- 1:41Speaker 2: of a cold-blooded monster who was killed before and whose
- 1:44Speaker 2: thirst for violence has not been quenched.
- 1:47Speaker 1: And when you get down to the bitter end, you
- 1:48Speaker 1: ignore all the rules you set, which I did.
- 1:52Speaker 4: Oh, I do have an expanding timeline right there. Don't
- 1:54Speaker 4: get nervous, man.
- 1:55Speaker 2: The following report is based on official police records, and
- 1:58Speaker 2: most of the footage has never been seen before until now.
- 2:01Speaker 2: The first sign of trouble in Leon County, Florida, comes
- 2:04Speaker 2: when 46-year-old nurse Cheryl Dunlap doesn't show up for her
- 2:08Speaker 2: Sunday school class. But it's not until she misses work
- 2:11Speaker 2: at Florida State University the next day, December 3rd, 2007,
- 2:15Speaker 2: that her friend reports her missing. Her adult son goes
- 2:19Speaker 2: by her house, hoping to find an innocent explanation.
- 2:22Speaker 6: The dog was still in there. What was your first thought?
- 2:26Speaker 1: This ain't good.
- 2:27Speaker 7: She's been missing for two days and that dog is everywhere.
- 2:31Speaker 7: And if she's not taking it, she makes arrangements for
- 2:35Speaker 7: it to be taken care of.
- 2:36Speaker 6: That dog was my brother, if you will.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Police soon realized that no one in Cheryl's life has
- 2:41Speaker 2: heard from her since the morning of December 1st, two
- 2:44Speaker 2: days earlier, when she told a friend she was going
- 2:46Speaker 2: to the library. She was logged into the Wakulla County
- 2:49Speaker 2: Public Library's computer system at 945 that morning. and she
- 2:54Speaker 2: cashed a check for $ 100 at 1115 a.m. After that,
- 2:58Speaker 2: police know nothing. They ask her friends if she might
- 3:01Speaker 2: have suddenly decided to leave it all behind.
- 3:04Speaker 1: She wanted to travel.
- 3:05Speaker 8: Literally, her actual words was, she said, Laura, she said,
- 3:09Speaker 8: I really want some adventure.
- 3:11Speaker 3: In my life.
- 3:12Speaker 8: But she also said that she wanted them through missions.
- 3:15Speaker 8: The first thing that comes to mind when I think
- 3:17Speaker 8: about Cheryl is godly.
- 3:19Speaker 6: You hear about people that are Christians, but.
- 3:22Speaker 8: She was the type of person that she really, really,
- 3:25Speaker 8: really tried to live this Christian life.
- 3:28Speaker 1: I mean, the way the Bible said.
- 3:30Speaker 2: The idea that Cheryl walked away from her job, her friends,
- 3:33Speaker 2: and her two sons doesn't seem likely. And the likelihood
- 3:37Speaker 2: dims that afternoon when Cheryl's car is found parked off
- 3:40Speaker 2: the road near Leon Sinks Geological Park. It's been abandoned.
- 3:44Speaker 2: There's no sign of Cheryl or anyone else.
- 3:47Speaker 1: Then we got the.
- 3:48Speaker 6: Call, so they found the car while we were there
- 3:50Speaker 6: at the house.
- 3:51Speaker 1: So we went there.
- 3:52Speaker 6: I just sat there watching them process it for a
- 3:56Speaker 6: little while.
- 3:57Speaker 3: And I had heard over the radio that there was
- 3:59Speaker 3: a foul odor coming from the trunk.
- 4:01Speaker 9: So I wanted to go to see myself if I could.
- 4:04Speaker 1: If it was or wasn't.
- 4:05Speaker 6: So I stood around there and I couldn't smell nothing.
- 4:08Speaker 2: But there are troubling signs. Her purse and keys remain
- 4:12Speaker 2: in the vehicle. Her belongings are scattered across the seat.
- 4:15Speaker 2: And one of the rear tires is flat. When police
- 4:18Speaker 2: take a closer look, alarm bells begin to sound. The
- 4:21Speaker 2: tire appears to have been deliberately punctured. Signs of foul
- 4:25Speaker 2: play are mounting, and it has Cheryl's friends in turmoil.
- 4:29Speaker 6: I've lost a brother suddenly.
- 4:32Speaker 1: I've lost a sister. I've lost my mom and dad.
- 4:36Speaker 8: And nothing has shaken me like this.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing.
- 4:41Speaker 2: Her son, meanwhile, reflects on a memory he fears may
- 4:44Speaker 2: haunt him forever.
- 4:45Speaker 7: I started trying to call her and ask her opinions
- 4:48Speaker 7: about what I should do with my life. She didn't
- 4:52Speaker 7: have her phone on that day. I was outside building
- 4:55Speaker 7: a pen when she called back. And I told her
- 4:57Speaker 7: I couldn't talk right.
- 5:01Speaker 6: How long ago was this? A couple of weeks ago.
- 5:04Speaker 7: That was the last time you talked to her?
- 5:06Speaker 1: I didn't even talk to her.
- 5:08Speaker 6: But that's the last time you heard from her?
- 5:13Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap's picture is splashed across the local media. A
- 5:16Speaker 2: couple reports seeing her at Leon Sinks on the afternoon
- 5:19Speaker 2: of December 1st. sitting on a bench reading a book.
- 5:22Speaker 2: From that point forward, her whereabouts are unknown. That is,
- 5:26Speaker 2: until police learn from Cheryl's bank that her ATM card
- 5:29Speaker 2: has been used five times between December 2nd and December
- 5:33Speaker 2: 4th to make withdrawals totaling more than $ 700. So if someone.
- 5:37Speaker 6: Used the card, they would have to know it or
- 5:39Speaker 6: either get it from her. It wouldn't be where they
- 5:42Speaker 6: could just look at it and see it.
- 5:44Speaker 7: Probably the only way.
- 5:46Speaker 10: That she gave up that PIN number was either they
- 5:50Speaker 10: threatened her life.
- 5:51Speaker 6: Or her grandbaby's lives.
- 5:52Speaker 2: Investigators head to the bank's main branch to see if
- 5:55Speaker 2: there's video, while also looking to the public for help.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Do you remember seeing a gentleman that might have roused
- 6:01Speaker 1: your suspicion at all?
- 6:02Speaker 4: No, there's a lot of people come in here that
- 6:04Speaker 4: roused my suspicion.
- 6:05Speaker 3: I look at every one of them.
- 6:07Speaker 2: Police have a long investigation in front of them, but
- 6:10Speaker 2: what they see at Cheryl's bank makes it clear that
- 6:12Speaker 2: there's no time to waste. In video of her recent
- 6:15Speaker 2: ATM transactions, detectives see what they feared most, it's not
- 6:20Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap using the ATM, but a shadowy figure wearing
- 6:24Speaker 2: a disturbing homemade mask. Investigators note that the man is
- 6:28Speaker 2: tall and thin, but that's not a lot to go on,
- 6:31Speaker 2: even for those who know Cheryl best.
- 6:34Speaker 6: Any suspicions as far as people?
- 6:36Speaker 3: I can't imagine anybody coming along that type that everybody
- 6:40Speaker 3: loves her.
- 6:41Speaker 1: She doesn't have any enemies. She's not a Lulu that
- 6:44Speaker 1: she would just go disappear.
- 6:46Speaker 7: Even the description of the Calvary ATM machine, I can't
- 6:49Speaker 7: think of Anybody out of description, skinny, tall.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Lanky, can't think of anybody.
- 6:55Speaker 2: The identity of the man behind the mask remains a mystery.
- 6:58Speaker 2: But a month later, more than 300 miles to the north,
- 7:01Speaker 2: another woman would suddenly vanish. And this time, the monster
- 7:06Speaker 2: wouldn't stay in the shadows. On January 1st, 2008, a
- 7:10Speaker 2: 24-year-old Georgia woman named Meredith Emerson leaves a note for
- 7:13Speaker 2: her roommate before heading off on a hike with her
- 7:16Speaker 2: black lab Ella. When she still hasn't returned by the
- 7:19Speaker 2: next morning, her roommate files a report with the Union
- 7:22Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Office. Meredith's boyfriend goes looking for her car,
- 7:26Speaker 2: which he finds in one of the parking lots at
- 7:29Speaker 2: Blood Mountain, one of Meredith's favorite hiking spots. He leaves
- 7:33Speaker 2: a note on her car and, with the eventual help
- 7:35Speaker 2: of friends and police, begins searching the trails and the
- 7:38Speaker 2: surrounding wilderness. Soon, news of her disappearance is statewide, as
- 7:43Speaker 2: an investigator with the Dawson County Public Defender's Office told EWU.
- 7:47Speaker 11: It hit the papers here because where she went missing
- 7:50Speaker 11: is not far from here. So the county was put
- 7:52Speaker 11: on full alert. I mean, we were aware of the
- 7:55Speaker 11: case probably as soon as she was declared missing.
- 7:58Speaker 2: But despite the intense search effort, there's no sign of Meredith.
- 8:03Speaker 2: Investigators talked to several people who saw Meredith on the
- 8:06Speaker 2: mountain on New Year's Day, and it turns out they
- 8:08Speaker 2: noticed something else as well. An older man lurking nearby.
- 8:13Speaker 2: One witness says he even came across a suspicious scene
- 8:16Speaker 2: a few minutes after seeing the two. A disturbed portion
- 8:19Speaker 2: of the hiking trail, as if there had been a struggle.
- 8:23Speaker 2: Left behind on the ground were several items, including water bottles,
- 8:26Speaker 2: a dog leash, and most ominously of all, an expandable
- 8:30Speaker 2: police baton. Witnesses describe the man they saw with Meredith,
- 8:35Speaker 2: a sixty-year-old white male, around five foot ten inches, a
- 8:38Speaker 2: hundred and sixty pounds, and they mention another fact as well.
- 8:42Speaker 2: He had a large, reddish dog with him. Police share
- 8:46Speaker 2: these details with the local media, and the tips start
- 8:48Speaker 2: rolling in. Could this man be responsible for Meredith's disappearance?
- 8:53Speaker 2: Could he even be the same sinister figure seen taking
- 8:56Speaker 2: money out of Cheryl Dunlap's bank account a month earlier?
- 8:59Speaker 2: The cases are eerily similar. Two women, alone by themselves
- 9:03Speaker 2: on National Forest land, and now both of them missing.
- 9:08Speaker 2: In Leon County, Florida, the tips in Cheryl's case are
- 9:10Speaker 2: beginning to take on a familiar shape.
- 9:13Speaker 12: Ran into this man in his white van, and his
- 9:17Speaker 12: dog started barking at us. A big dog, kind of
- 9:21Speaker 12: reddish-brownish hair, long hair, I guess.
- 9:24Speaker 2: Again and again, witnesses come forward to describe a very
- 9:27Speaker 2: specific man they saw in the area, and most of
- 9:30Speaker 2: them agree that it was late November 2007, only days
- 9:34Speaker 2: before Cheryl Dunlap went missing.
- 9:36Speaker 1: And we saw an old man, skinny, I remember he
- 9:40Speaker 1: was skinny, looked homeless, walking towards us.
- 9:43Speaker 13: A gentleman was standing in front of it and said
- 9:48Speaker 13: hello and he engaged in conversation immediately. I noticed stuff
- 9:55Speaker 13: strewn around the campsite and the most prominent thing was
- 10:00Speaker 13: a beautiful dark red Irish setter.
- 10:02Speaker 14: This gentleman with his dog approached me coming out of
- 10:07Speaker 14: the woods, and it made me nervous.
- 10:09Speaker 6: He had this big long knife strapped to his side.
- 10:12Speaker 14: The dog looked like a golden or fairy, but it
- 10:15Speaker 14: was like a dark rust color.
- 10:17Speaker 3: Probably 5'9, 5'10. He's an older man.
- 10:20Speaker 15: Scruffy in the face, missing a couple teeth in the front.
- 10:24Speaker 3: He gave me the creeps when I saw him.
- 10:27Speaker 6: He weirded us out so much that, I mean, I
- 10:28Speaker 6: was just joking, completely joking around when I said this.
- 10:31Speaker 6: But when we left, I was like, man, that guy's
- 10:35Speaker 6: killed like 10 people.
- 10:36Speaker 2: An older man, a white van, a red dog. The
- 10:40Speaker 2: details coming in are consistent. First in Florida, and then
- 10:44Speaker 2: a month later in the Georgia mountains. But it's not
- 10:46Speaker 2: until a businessman named John Tabor hears the news that
- 10:49Speaker 2: police are finally able to put a name to this phantom.
- 10:52Speaker 2: Tabor calls the Georgia Bureau of Investigation's tip line and
- 10:56Speaker 2: says the man they're looking for used to work for
- 10:58Speaker 2: him selling house siding right up until the day he
- 11:01Speaker 2: demanded money and threatened to kill him. The man drives
- 11:04Speaker 2: a white Chevrolet Astro van and he has a red
- 11:07Speaker 2: golden retriever he calls Dandy. His name, Tabor tells them,
- 11:12Speaker 2: is Gary Michael Hilton. and that's when things start to
- 11:15Speaker 2: move very quickly. Armed with this new information, the GBI
- 11:19Speaker 2: finds Hilton's driver's license records in the system, and they
- 11:23Speaker 2: send out an updated be on the lookout report to
- 11:25Speaker 2: law enforcement and the general public that includes his name
- 11:28Speaker 2: and photograph. Hilton is labeled a person of interest in
- 11:32Speaker 2: Meredith Emerson's disappearance, and investigators hope to find him before
- 11:36Speaker 2: it's too late. Unfortunately, in the Florida case of Cheryl Dunlap,
- 11:40Speaker 2: hope has already run out.
- 11:42Speaker 16: I drove up in there to where I like to
- 11:44Speaker 16: walk the dogs in, and I seen some buzzards fly
- 11:47Speaker 16: up just right.
- 11:49Speaker 2: Beside the road. On December 15, 2007, 14 days after
- 11:52Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap was last seen, a hunter comes upon a
- 11:55Speaker 2: tragic discovery in the forest.
- 11:57Speaker 16: I told my son to stay in the truck to,
- 12:00Speaker 16: you know, let me see what the buzzards was doing.
- 12:04Speaker 16: And I walked out there and It appeared to be
- 12:07Speaker 16: a human body. At first, all I could see was
- 12:09Speaker 16: just maybe the torso. I didn't see a head. All
- 12:13Speaker 16: I could see was maybe neck to waist.
- 12:15Speaker 4: Okay.
- 12:16Speaker 16: And I thought it was a deer to start with.
- 12:19Speaker 16: And when I looked at it, I seen the leg
- 12:20Speaker 16: and the foot sticking out, and I knew what it was.
- 12:23Speaker 2: The body is nude and is already significantly decomposed. It
- 12:27Speaker 2: is found deep in the forest off the main roads.
- 12:30Speaker 16: It appeared to have been somebody tried to cover it up.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Police find the body covered in tree limbs and palmetto
- 12:36Speaker 2: fronds from the surrounding woods, but that's not enough to
- 12:39Speaker 2: hide the damage that has been done to this woman.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Her hands have been removed. Her nipples have been cut off.
- 12:46Speaker 2: She's been decapitated and left out here to rot. Because
- 12:49Speaker 2: of the advanced decomposition and the missing head, the medical
- 12:52Speaker 2: examiner could only label the cause of death as undetermined
- 12:56Speaker 2: homicidal violence. Four days later, the Leon County Sheriff's Office
- 13:00Speaker 2: holds a press conference to announce the grim news the
- 13:03Speaker 2: community had feared. The body in the woods belongs to
- 13:07Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap. Authorities in Georgia are desperate to catch up
- 13:10Speaker 2: to Gary Hilton before the same fate befalls Meredith Emerson.
- 13:14Speaker 2: On January 4th, three days since her disappearance, there's a development.
- 13:19Speaker 2: A black lab is spotted walking into a Kroger supermarket
- 13:22Speaker 2: in Cumming, Georgia. It's chipped, and before the day is through,
- 13:25Speaker 2: they've identified it as Ella. Meredith's dog. When Meredith's father
- 13:30Speaker 2: speaks to the press, he says, We're happy that Ella
- 13:33Speaker 2: has been found, but Meredith is still out there. Later
- 13:37Speaker 2: that day, a woman reports that Gary Hilton called her
- 13:39Speaker 2: wanting money. The return number comes from a payphone, and
- 13:43Speaker 2: police quickly track it to a quick trip and coming,
- 13:46Speaker 2: just across the street from where Ella was found. They
- 13:49Speaker 2: process the payphone for evidence, but it's what they find
- 13:52Speaker 2: in the nearby dumpster that gives them a shock. A
- 13:55Speaker 2: woman's purse. bloody clothing, and a wallet with identification cards inside.
- 14:01Speaker 2: The driver's license and student ID cards belong to Meredith Emerson.
- 14:06Speaker 2: If the hunt for Gary Hilton could ever become more intense,
- 14:09Speaker 2: it just did. And that night, police get the 911
- 14:12Speaker 2: calls they've been hoping for.
- 14:14Speaker 17: Hi, I'm calling from Cambridge Square Shopping Center, and I'm
- 14:18Speaker 17: calling about that person, Gary Hilton, in connection with the
- 14:22Speaker 17: woman that's missing.
- 14:24Speaker 2: A man matching Gary Hilton's description has been spotted at
- 14:26Speaker 2: a Chevron station in Chamblee, Georgia, approximately 30 miles south
- 14:30Speaker 2: of Cumming.
- 14:31Speaker 17: I'm walking my dog, and at the gas station up here,
- 14:34Speaker 17: there's a white van and a red dog wandering around
- 14:38Speaker 17: like his red dog.
- 14:38Speaker 2: It's definitely him.
- 14:40Speaker 3: The van is there.
- 14:41Speaker 2: The dog is there.
- 14:42Speaker 18: I saw his face.
- 14:43Speaker 17: He's got a whole bunch of stuff he's pulling out
- 14:45Speaker 17: like he's living out of his van, pulling out and
- 14:47Speaker 17: organizing his stuff in his van. He's throwing stuff in
- 14:50Speaker 17: the dumpster here. He's making multiple trips back to his
- 14:53Speaker 17: van and getting out and taken.
- 14:56Speaker 3: Into a dumpster.
- 14:57Speaker 17: 114 to the unit with Sergeant Crowe.
- 14:59Speaker 19: We're going to wrap up that location.
- 15:01Speaker 3: Set up PIB. It's definitely him.
- 15:03Speaker 13: He's looking around like he's as guilty as sin.
- 15:06Speaker 17: He's going to be gone if somebody doesn't get there.
- 15:09Speaker 13: I can go take him down if you want.
- 15:10Speaker 3: No, sir. Stay right there. Okay.
- 15:12Speaker 17: He looks like he's finishing up.
- 15:13Speaker 3: You guys got to hurry. Oh, I'm just shaking. Here
- 15:16Speaker 3: we go.
- 15:17Speaker 19: Here comes the cops.
- 15:19Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
- 15:19Speaker 20: Police are there?
- 15:20Speaker 15: Yes.
- 15:22Speaker 1: Yes.
- 15:23Speaker 12: They got him.
- 15:24Speaker 2: Hilton goes flat on the ground immediately and is taken
- 15:27Speaker 2: into custody. The police also secure his van and his
- 15:30Speaker 2: now-famous red dog, Dandy. But while the arrest goes off
- 15:34Speaker 2: without a hitch, every officer on scene can see for
- 15:37Speaker 2: themselves the unsettling truth. Meredith Emerson is nowhere to be found.
- 15:43Speaker 2: Hilton is taken to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, where
- 15:46Speaker 2: he lies prone on the floor, unwilling to cooperate and
- 15:49Speaker 2: complaining of pain from multiple sclerosis.
- 15:52Speaker 3: Mr.
- 15:52Speaker 10: Hilton, my name's Clay Bridges. I'm a special agent with
- 15:54Speaker 10: the GBI. Over the past couple of days, I've come
- 15:57Speaker 10: to know you pretty good. I've spoken with numerous people
- 16:00Speaker 10: who say that you're extremely healthy, extremely smart, very intelligent,
- 16:06Speaker 10: almost genius level. I would prefer to talk to you
- 16:09Speaker 10: if you were Kind of sitting up, and I could
- 16:11Speaker 10: look at you a little bit, and I understand that
- 16:13Speaker 10: you're a distance runner and that you're a very healthy individual.
- 16:17Speaker 2: With Hilton unwilling to answer questions, the agent says something
- 16:20Speaker 2: that is perhaps intended to get a reaction.
- 16:22Speaker 10: Well, I tell you, it's a whole lot warmer down
- 16:24Speaker 10: here than it was up on Blood Mountain.
- 16:26Speaker 2: But Hilton doesn't take the bait, and neither the GBI
- 16:29Speaker 2: nor the doctors can get him to talk.
- 16:32Speaker 10: We're going to take really good care of you, okay?
- 16:34Speaker 1: Like we already have.
- 16:36Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
- 16:37Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've been mistreated?
- 16:40Speaker 3: Yes, I have.
- 16:41Speaker 6: When was the last time you had a good meal?
- 16:43Speaker 1: I'm through talking to you. I'm making those statements. I
- 16:46Speaker 1: don't want to be interrogated anymore.
- 16:48Speaker 3: Well, if you don't want to talk to me then,
- 16:50Speaker 3: I'm going to make the decision that right now you're
- 16:54Speaker 3: not an immediate life threat and that you could possibly
- 16:56Speaker 3: stay here with.
- 16:57Speaker 1: These gentlemen and continue doing with them.
- 16:59Speaker 6: What they need to do with you, okay?
- 17:02Speaker 1: Put me back in the handcuff.
- 17:04Speaker 2: There are many signs that Hilton has been in an altercation.
- 17:08Speaker 2: including a cut on his nose and a badly swollen
- 17:10Speaker 2: right hand. GBI agent Clay Bridges leaves Hilton with a
- 17:14Speaker 2: final thought.
- 17:15Speaker 3: Remember what I told you about Meredith? You need.
- 17:20Speaker 12: To go ahead and just tell us where she's at, okay?
- 17:23Speaker 14: There's not much more in your face, aside from it.
- 17:26Speaker 6: Being the right thing to do.
- 17:27Speaker 2: Hilton isn't moved by this appeal to his conscience, which
- 17:30Speaker 2: is perhaps not surprising if he's the man guilty of
- 17:33Speaker 2: killing Cheryl Dunlap in Florida. And the evidence is growing.
- 17:37Speaker 2: The tips keep coming in Leon County, and police search
- 17:40Speaker 2: campsites near where Hilton was reportedly seen. At one, they
- 17:44Speaker 2: make a horrifying discovery. A burn pit, amongst which they
- 17:48Speaker 2: find charred finger bones and skull fragments. The limited remains
- 17:52Speaker 2: make DNA identification impossible, but police are almost certain that
- 17:56Speaker 2: the remains belong to Cheryl, and it won't be long
- 17:59Speaker 2: before evidence in the Meredith Emerson case draws an undeniable
- 18:03Speaker 2: line between the two women. With Hilton unwilling to talk,
- 18:07Speaker 2: police in Georgia focus on his van. Since Hilton has
- 18:10Speaker 2: been living in the Chevy Astro for a long time,
- 18:13Speaker 2: there's no shortage of things to look through. And along
- 18:16Speaker 2: the way, they come up with a fascinating discovery, a
- 18:19Speaker 2: Sony digital camera and several memory sticks containing some very
- 18:23Speaker 2: interesting videos.
- 18:24Speaker 3: Look, I'm taking a picture of what I'm pumping for
- 18:27Speaker 3: immortality right now.
- 18:29Speaker 1: Good.
- 18:30Speaker 3: The camera's right there. That's true, it would say. Oh, yeah.
- 18:45Speaker 2: These home videos give investigators an unprecedented look into the
- 18:49Speaker 2: life of a violent drifter.
- 18:50Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a real red, and he has that
- 18:54Speaker 3: Irish confirmation also. Okay, come on, honey. Let's get him.
- 19:00Speaker 1: Good boy.
- 19:01Speaker 3: Now you got to stay out here. Okay, now we're
- 19:03Speaker 3: going to get ready after he's greeted, and we'll be
- 19:07Speaker 3: all happy. You got to stay right here, Wawa. You do.
- 19:10Speaker 2: The police will soon discover much darker recordings on the
- 19:13Speaker 2: memory sticks. For now, they charge Gary Hilton with kidnapping
- 19:16Speaker 2: in the Meredith Emerson case. It remains to be seen
- 19:19Speaker 2: if additional charges will follow. As police transport Hilton to
- 19:23Speaker 2: the Union County Jail in Georgia, his attitude has improved,
- 19:27Speaker 2: but his willingness to answer questions about Meredith's whereabouts has not.
- 19:31Speaker 3: You guys are pissed at me, so hey, I ain't... You.
- 19:36Speaker 4: Get the cops pissed off, man, you.
- 19:40Speaker 3: All right, now, you ain't gonna do nothing squirrely on us, right? Oh, yeah,
- 19:43Speaker 3: like I can wish you could. He's sitting there with
- 19:46Speaker 3: one gun in the holster and the other in his seat.
- 19:48Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus Christ. He's gonna turn around and cap me.
- 19:52Speaker 3: I am f * * * ed, okay? Totally. I
- 19:55Speaker 3: was trying to figure out who I was gonna get
- 19:57Speaker 3: my dog to before I turned myself in. I saw
- 20:00Speaker 3: the paper. I caught the paper. You're gonna turn yourself in?
- 20:03Speaker 3: I saw the paper. I saw I was on the
- 20:06Speaker 3: front page of the paper.
- 20:07Speaker 4: It didn't seem like you were going to turn yourself in.
- 20:11Speaker 3: Well, hey, you know something? I'm making statements, and I
- 20:13Speaker 3: ain't making no statements.
- 20:15Speaker 2: But Hilton's position on answering questions will soon shift, and
- 20:18Speaker 2: agents with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation will finally get
- 20:21Speaker 2: a deep look into one of the most sinister minds
- 20:23Speaker 2: they've ever come in contact with. In hours of interviews,
- 20:27Speaker 2: they'll begin to piece together what happened to Meredith that
- 20:30Speaker 2: day on Blood Mountain and what they hear from Gary
- 20:33Speaker 2: Hilton changes everything.
- 20:34Speaker 1: Since I was four years old, my earliest thoughts were
- 20:37Speaker 1: of death. I said, you know something? No one's even
- 20:39Speaker 1: missed you. And she said, well, I'd be mad if
- 20:42Speaker 1: once you let me go. And I came back and
- 20:44Speaker 1: my boyfriend said, have you been gone? I spent three weeks,
- 20:48Speaker 1: three days with her. We had long talks about everything.
- 20:51Speaker 1: I gave her a book to read. It was kind
- 20:53Speaker 1: of like the Lone Ranger. And the Lone Ranger would
- 20:56Speaker 1: come galloping into town. They would always say, Who was
- 20:59Speaker 1: that masked man? Who was that masked man? Okay, that's
- 21:04Speaker 1: what I do to society.
- 21:05Speaker 2: Hilton admits that some of what is driving him to
- 21:08Speaker 2: talk is the kidnapping charge, which he believes will likely
- 21:11Speaker 2: put him away for the rest of his life.
- 21:13Speaker 1: They had me on the kidnapping. It was kind of stiff.
- 21:16Speaker 1: The evidence was good. Right out of the dumpster. It
- 21:19Speaker 1: was just a smoking gun. They had me.
- 21:22Speaker 2: The investigators take a low-pressure approach to the interviews. which
- 21:26Speaker 2: gives Hilton all the room he needs to expand on
- 21:28Speaker 2: every topic he can think of, including his history of
- 21:31Speaker 2: conflicts with the other dog owners he meets while hiking.
- 21:35Speaker 1: The average dog owner doesn't know jack about dogs. The
- 21:38Speaker 1: average animal control officer doesn't know jack about dogs. They anthropomorphize.
- 21:43Speaker 1: That means assigning human qualities to something. Anthropomorphize, okay? And
- 21:47Speaker 1: they assign human qualities to dogs. And what that means
- 21:51Speaker 1: is that they want dogs to be like humans, which
- 21:54Speaker 1: is be nice. And get along. Well, that's not the
- 21:58Speaker 1: way it is in the dog world. Because when dogs
- 22:01Speaker 1: talk to each other, you know, they quite often revert
- 22:05Speaker 1: back to the wolf world. And the wolf world is
- 22:07Speaker 1: more incredibly savage and brutal than you can ever imagine.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Humans don't understand that in the dog world or the
- 22:16Speaker 1: wolf world, there are no assault and battery laws. There
- 22:20Speaker 1: are no murder laws. And quite often, there is no beer. Okay,
- 22:24Speaker 1: imagine such a world where there's no murder laws.
- 22:28Speaker 2: Before Hilton can go too deeply into his fantasy of
- 22:31Speaker 2: a world without laws, he explains how to handle confrontations
- 22:35Speaker 2: with dogs and their owners.
- 22:37Speaker 1: My goal in a stick fight with a human or
- 22:39Speaker 1: a dog is not to make contact with a dog.
- 22:43Speaker 1: A successful stick fight is preventative. To me, it's shaping
- 22:48Speaker 1: it with a stick and not making contact.
- 22:51Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
- 22:52Speaker 1: Because it takes it to a whole other level when
- 22:55Speaker 1: you make, especially with a human being. You hit a
- 22:57Speaker 1: human being with a stick, regardless of the situation, it's
- 23:00Speaker 1: probably going to ruin your day, buddy. And it may
- 23:02Speaker 1: not go your way either. Even though it always has.
- 23:05Speaker 1: I've had the police call on me 30 times at least,
- 23:08Speaker 1: and no exaggeration, in 17 years.
- 23:11Speaker 2: Hilton's history with the police is well documented. And not
- 23:15Speaker 2: all of it concerns other dogs. He has a history
- 23:18Speaker 2: of theft, telephone fraud, arson, and was even accused at
- 23:21Speaker 2: one point of attempting to murder his own stepfather. His
- 23:25Speaker 2: conflicts with the law haven't settled in recent years, as
- 23:28Speaker 2: demonstrated by police dash cams and his own home videos.
- 23:32Speaker 1: What do you have on your hands there?
- 23:33Speaker 3: Don't ask me, man.
- 23:34Speaker 4: He's about to take off.
- 23:40Speaker 3: Sir, I can't hear you.
- 23:42Speaker 21: I've got nothing but respect for you, but if you're.
- 23:45Speaker 4: Going to continue to create a problem, we can take
- 23:48Speaker 4: it to.
- 23:48Speaker 3: The next level.
- 23:49Speaker 22: Putting out leaflet soliciting?
- 23:50Speaker 1: Yes.
- 23:51Speaker 3: You're the lawman, you are the law. I'm going to
- 23:54Speaker 3: check it out, and if it ain't the law, then
- 23:55Speaker 3: you're wrong. You come talk to me. I'm not talking
- 23:58Speaker 3: to nobody. I'm filing and I'm suing because you're interrupting
- 24:01Speaker 3: my work. Go right ahead.
- 24:02Speaker 2: But it's one particular encounter with the cops that catches
- 24:05Speaker 2: the public's attention after his arrest.
- 24:07Speaker 23: He bumped into a Cherokee County deputy up on some
- 24:10Speaker 23: private hunting property back in Yeah.
- 24:12Speaker 1: It was October or something, and that was why they
- 24:15Speaker 1: publicized it.
- 24:15Speaker 4: I've got maps of the area, and.
- 24:18Speaker 5: I was headed to Cahutta, actually from Lawrenceville, but I'm
- 24:22Speaker 5: out of Shambler.
- 24:23Speaker 3: Okay.
- 24:24Speaker 4: And I camped out here 20 years ago. I can
- 24:26Speaker 4: show you, I've got a WMA map right now. You
- 24:29Speaker 4: may have, 20 years ago it probably was okay.
- 24:31Speaker 2: When the footage comes out, cops working the Cheryl Dunlap
- 24:34Speaker 2: case notice the cap Hilton is wearing. It bears a
- 24:37Speaker 2: striking resemblance to the one in the ATM footage from
- 24:40Speaker 2: Leon County.
- 24:41Speaker 4: You know, I just wanted to play some camp because
- 24:43Speaker 4: I'm on my way to Canada. I'm leaving. As a
- 24:45Speaker 4: matter of fact, I'm getting my maps together. I got
- 24:47Speaker 4: to buy some maps. Did you hear that?
- 24:49Speaker 1: Did he get on tape, my joke about deer hunters?
- 24:52Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:52Speaker 1: What's the three reasons a deer hunter goes to Canada? Yeah, yeah.
- 24:55Speaker 1: I made that up. I'm a comedian, too.
- 24:58Speaker 4: But I have a little joke about these southern outdoorsmen.
- 25:01Speaker 4: They come out in the woods for three reasons. One
- 25:03Speaker 4: is to get drunk. The other is to poach. And
- 25:05Speaker 4: the other is to change the oil in their truck.
- 25:07Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
- 25:10Speaker 4: I just stopped it. I just started.
- 25:12Speaker 2: But though Hilton has suspicious items in his possession... Oh,
- 25:16Speaker 2: I do.
- 25:16Speaker 4: Have an expanding timeline right there. Don't get nervous. I
- 25:19Speaker 4: won't get out of the truck without him.
- 25:21Speaker 2: The deputy lets him go on his way, unaware that
- 25:24Speaker 2: he's releasing a vicious predator back into the wild.
- 25:28Speaker 23: Is it almost like a little acting on your behalf to,
- 25:33Speaker 23: I don't know, kind of.
- 25:35Speaker 1: steer this law enforcement officer away from you? Well, with him, no.
- 25:39Speaker 1: I was being perfectly candid with him.
- 25:43Speaker 2: Hilton says that certain police officers will immediately recognize when
- 25:46Speaker 2: they're dealing with a pro.
- 25:48Speaker 1: You and I were talking earlier, and you described yourself
- 25:51Speaker 1: as a pro. I mean, in talking about that I,
- 25:54Speaker 1: as a police officer, when you and I encounter one another,
- 25:56Speaker 1: I'm going to know you're not. I know what you mean,
- 25:59Speaker 1: but how do you define that as far as how
- 26:02Speaker 1: are you a pro? I'm a pro in that I'm
- 26:04Speaker 1: not just stylin'. You see, the average civilian, their entire
- 26:08Speaker 1: life is a style. Nothing is real. They're talking the
- 26:13Speaker 1: talk and they're not walking the walk. And they're styling.
- 26:17Speaker 1: And that's why you see posers. That's my word. Perfectly
- 26:22Speaker 1: precious posers. That's what yuppies are.
- 26:26Speaker 3: Hey, I love you. Mr. Hilton, take care. Be safe.
- 26:31Speaker 1: There's a large number of police officers that are highly
- 26:34Speaker 1: experienced and that they are pros, and they recognize a
- 26:39Speaker 1: pro when they see a pro, and I'm a pro.
- 26:42Speaker 2: This wouldn't be the last time Hilton would manage to
- 26:44Speaker 2: keep his true nature hidden from law enforcement in the
- 26:46Speaker 2: closing months of 2007. On November 17th, only two weeks
- 26:51Speaker 2: before Cheryl Dunlap went missing, a Forest Service ranger spoke
- 26:54Speaker 2: to him near a campsite in Leon County.
- 26:57Speaker 11: From what he told me, he was returning to his campsite, and...
- 27:03Speaker 11: He was walking along the road.
- 27:05Speaker 6: He had a dog and a walking stick.
- 27:07Speaker 2: The ranger runs the tag on his white Chevy Astro
- 27:10Speaker 2: parked back at the campsite.
- 27:12Speaker 6: Who did the van come back to? It came back
- 27:15Speaker 6: to Gary Michael Hilton.
- 27:17Speaker 2: It will soon come to light that Hilton already had
- 27:19Speaker 2: blood on his hands before speaking to these officers. Nonetheless,
- 27:23Speaker 2: he's in custody now. And in a series of audio
- 27:26Speaker 2: and video interviews with the GBI, he will finally reveal
- 27:29Speaker 2: the full story behind what happened New Year's Day on
- 27:33Speaker 2: Blood Mountain.
- 27:34Speaker 1: But anyway, it's a good place to hunt in that
- 27:36Speaker 1: you have a huge selection. But it's a bad place
- 27:38Speaker 1: to hunt in that you... Because they have a lot
- 27:40Speaker 1: of people.
- 27:41Speaker 5: People.
- 27:41Speaker 1: So the way you would do it... So the way
- 27:44Speaker 1: you would do it would be to lurk in a blind,
- 27:48Speaker 1: so to speak, off the trail, observe with binoculars, and lurk.
- 27:55Speaker 1: But I didn't do that either because I like to hide.
- 27:57Speaker 23: What I'd like to know is, is how accomplished of
- 28:00Speaker 23: a hiker are you?
- 28:02Speaker 1: I mean, you've been to... I'm going to tell you something.
- 28:06Speaker 1: I want to tell you something.
- 28:07Speaker 24: I've never met anyone ever, and people are full of
- 28:11Speaker 24: shit on this too, but I've never met anyone anywhere,
- 28:14Speaker 24: any way, that has the time in the woods and
- 28:17Speaker 24: the time on the trail that I have.
- 28:20Speaker 1: That I have. I've never walked full time anyway in
- 28:23Speaker 1: my life. except for the U.S.
- 28:26Speaker 3: Army.
- 28:26Speaker 2: Tilton was enlisted in the Army as a young man
- 28:29Speaker 2: before being discharged for demonstrating symptoms of psychosis, an early
- 28:33Speaker 2: glimpse of the darkness to come.
- 28:35Speaker 19: Did you know Meredith Emerson before the other day?
- 28:39Speaker 3: No.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Okay.
- 28:41Speaker 3: At what time?
- 28:43Speaker 19: When did you first become aware of her, or when
- 28:45Speaker 19: did you first see her?
- 28:47Speaker 3: On the mountain, at the intersection of the Herbert Rees
- 28:51Speaker 3: Connector Trail and the AT, at that intersection.
- 28:55Speaker 19: How did you strike up a conversation with her, or whatever?
- 28:58Speaker 3: Dogs, you know, people that have dogs. Dogs are going
- 29:03Speaker 3: to meet, and anytime I encounter someone with a loose dog, specifically,
- 29:08Speaker 3: which both of ours were, a larger dog, I immediately
- 29:11Speaker 3: determine the sex of the dog because I have a male,
- 29:15Speaker 3: and I don't allow my dog to meet adult males.
- 29:18Speaker 19: So you asked her what sex her dog was?
- 29:22Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of thing. And she stopped at that
- 29:24Speaker 3: location to eat and... eat some trail mix, and give
- 29:30Speaker 3: her dog water.
- 29:31Speaker 2: After a brief exchange, the two continued hiking, and the
- 29:34Speaker 2: 24-year-old athlete quickly put distance between herself and Hilton. But
- 29:38Speaker 2: soon enough, Meredith was gone. come back down the trail,
- 29:41Speaker 2: and this time, Hilton would be ready.
- 29:44Speaker 25: Did you form an opinion at that point, or did
- 29:47Speaker 25: you form an idea at that point that you wanted.
- 29:49Speaker 19: To abduct her at that point?
- 29:51Speaker 3: Yeah. This was driven really by nothing but, well, the
- 29:56Speaker 3: desire to obtain her card. That was the sole purpose?
- 29:59Speaker 3: You wanted her card? Yeah, and rather than pick a
- 30:04Speaker 3: guy who would... Or a couple? Hilton's aside about his
- 30:09Speaker 3: ability to take on a man is perhaps unsurprising given
- 30:12Speaker 3: his many thoughts about masculinity.
- 30:36Speaker 2: And the differences between the genders.
- 30:38Speaker 1: But that's what a woman wants you to do as
- 30:40Speaker 1: an adult, is to play house, okay, and to have children.
- 30:43Speaker 1: How many nine-year-old boys, now, don't get me wrong, I
- 30:46Speaker 1: understand that for many men, having children is the greatest
- 30:50Speaker 1: thing in their life, but nevertheless, how many nine-year-old boys
- 30:54Speaker 1: have you known that have said, oh, you know, I
- 30:57Speaker 1: don't want to be a soldier or a pilot or astronaut,
- 30:59Speaker 1: I want to grow up and have a family.
- 31:02Speaker 6: Both of them.
- 31:04Speaker 1: You look at any man's home, it ain't a man's home.
- 31:07Speaker 1: It's a woman's home. And what is this man thing?
- 31:11Speaker 1: Having a nice lawn.
- 31:12Speaker 18: Oh, Jesus Christ, give me a break.
- 31:16Speaker 1: Out there cutting grass and digging in the dirt like
- 31:19Speaker 1: an animal.
- 31:20Speaker 2: According to Gary, it all comes down to an imbalance
- 31:23Speaker 2: of power.
- 31:24Speaker 1: Part of my dislike, or I wouldn't call it hatred,
- 31:27Speaker 1: but almost, for women is that they have all the advantages.
- 31:31Speaker 1: And if that's how they get men to do what
- 31:34Speaker 1: they want them to do. Always, yeah. Either you do
- 31:38Speaker 1: what I want, or in the end, I'm going to
- 31:40Speaker 1: give it to someone else. For women to threaten to
- 31:42Speaker 1: give it away, that's what I mean. And for them
- 31:45Speaker 1: to let you know that they could give it away,
- 31:47Speaker 1: and they have given it away, increases the value of it.
- 31:51Speaker 1: It's marketing. But a sophisticated woman understands that to threaten
- 31:56Speaker 1: to give it away increases the value, and actually giving
- 31:59Speaker 1: it away to someone else decreases the value. And some
- 32:02Speaker 1: women aren't smart enough to know the difference, and they
- 32:05Speaker 1: felt that way.
- 32:06Speaker 2: It's not just Gary's thoughts on women that cast doubt
- 32:09Speaker 2: on his narrative that he only confronted Meredith for her
- 32:12Speaker 2: bank cards. It's also the fact that no money has
- 32:15Speaker 2: been withdrawn from her account. But as the investigators soon learn,
- 32:19Speaker 2: Meredith Emerson is not a woman to be trifled with.
- 32:22Speaker 3: The act occurred, the demand occurred, at the point where
- 32:25Speaker 3: the water bottles and baton were found. That's where the
- 32:30Speaker 3: demand occurred.
- 32:31Speaker 19: Okay, and by demand, what do you say?
- 32:35Speaker 3: What do you say? Okay, and when you.
- 32:38Speaker 19: Did that, and when you said that, did you produce
- 32:41Speaker 19: the baton, or what did you produce?
- 32:44Speaker 3: The bayonet is probably still up there. I lost control
- 32:48Speaker 3: of what she bought. And as I read in the paper,
- 32:51Speaker 3: she's a martial artist. I read in the paper she
- 32:54Speaker 3: practiced martial arts.
- 32:56Speaker 19: Okay.
- 32:57Speaker 3: And she fought. And she grabbed the knife. Okay. I
- 33:00Speaker 3: lost control of the knife.
- 33:01Speaker 19: Okay.
- 33:02Speaker 3: And she grabbed the knife blade and slightly, very slightly,
- 33:05Speaker 3: cut her hand on the webbing between her thumb and forefinger.
- 33:08Speaker 3: I was not aware of that until... Later on, and
- 33:12Speaker 3: I said, where'd you get that cut at? She said,
- 33:14Speaker 3: when I grabbed the knife. Okay. But she grabbed the
- 33:16Speaker 3: knife and fought. Okay. And then I produced the baton. Okay.
- 33:21Speaker 3: She fought that, and I lost control of the baton.
- 33:24Speaker 3: And I'm good, too, with this girl. I think it
- 33:27Speaker 3: was you, probably. One of the GBI says that little
- 33:31Speaker 3: 120-pound girl about probably clutched a whip here. Well, she
- 33:34Speaker 3: about did.
- 33:35Speaker 2: But Gary can't admit that he was in any real trouble.
- 33:38Speaker 2: Not to the investigators. and perhaps not even to himself.
- 33:42Speaker 1: It was not my finest hour. It was not my...
- 33:45Speaker 1: I mean, I'm better than that.
- 33:47Speaker 3: I am.
- 33:48Speaker 1: But I found out she was a black belt. Which
- 33:52Speaker 1: don't mean they're styling these black belts. They're styling. They're
- 33:56Speaker 1: not fighters. They're learning to do some little... But on
- 34:00Speaker 1: the other hand, doing that kind of thing does increase
- 34:03Speaker 1: your coordination, your hand-eye.
- 34:05Speaker 3: Etc.
- 34:06Speaker 1: And it gets you more used to hand-to-hand combat as
- 34:09Speaker 1: opposed to an untrained person, even though they're not really fighters.
- 34:12Speaker 1: And she really, she didn't do no, it's just that
- 34:16Speaker 1: she had no, she was real quick with her hands
- 34:18Speaker 1: and had no hesitation about grabbing weapons and everything. And
- 34:22Speaker 1: not only that, she was hard to subdue. Fought like hell, man.
- 34:27Speaker 1: Fought and fought and fought and fought and didn't look
- 34:29Speaker 1: like any control over her. and got her 10, 15
- 34:32Speaker 1: feet away from the trail on that little side trail
- 34:35Speaker 1: I told you about, she started fighting again.
- 34:37Speaker 2: But what Gary characterizes as a fight sounds more like
- 34:40Speaker 2: a merciless beating.
- 34:41Speaker 3: I had to hand fight her. And that's where I
- 34:45Speaker 3: got this hand. I probably have multiple fractures in my
- 34:48Speaker 3: right hand now. Okay. However, I'm not in pain, and
- 34:51Speaker 3: I don't think any of them are displaced. I had
- 34:53Speaker 3: to hand fight her, and I still couldn't get control
- 34:55Speaker 3: of her. She would feign or pretend that I was
- 34:59Speaker 3: in control and then start fighting again.
- 35:01Speaker 18: Right.
- 35:02Speaker 3: So I had to hit her a number of times.
- 35:05Speaker 19: Did you hit her every time with your right hand or.
- 35:08Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 35:08Speaker 3: Okay. These are straight in punches.
- 35:11Speaker 19: In the face?
- 35:12Speaker 3: Yeah, or the head. Okay. As to what extent she
- 35:16Speaker 3: was injured, her two eyes were somewhat blackened. She may
- 35:22Speaker 3: or may not have a fractured nose. I checked with
- 35:26Speaker 3: her a number of times. She was not in any
- 35:29Speaker 3: pain other than afterwards. She was not in any pain
- 35:33Speaker 3: other than a headache. I offered her and gave her aspirin.
- 35:38Speaker 2: Hilton tells the investigators that once they were safely off
- 35:41Speaker 2: the trail, he was able to finally subdue her.
- 35:44Speaker 3: So I got control of her again, quieted her down,
- 35:47Speaker 3: got control of her again, and I kept her moving.
- 35:50Speaker 3: down that closed trail around the corner of the mountain,
- 35:53Speaker 3: so to speak. And at that point, I produced a,
- 35:57Speaker 3: it's like a duck tie. Oh, it's like handcuffs that
- 36:01Speaker 3: police use. Zip tie? Zip tie, yeah. But these were
- 36:04Speaker 3: just commercial zip ties. Do you remember what color they were? Yeah, black.
- 36:08Speaker 3: They're not there anymore. Oh, you'll probably find them in
- 36:12Speaker 3: the dumpster on the way, probably.
- 36:14Speaker 19: Did you have a rubber band around them?
- 36:16Speaker 3: Yes. Okay, we did find one there. Oh, you did?
- 36:23Speaker 3: So I zip-tied her to a tree, and I knew
- 36:26Speaker 3: that I had to go and clean the crime scene.
- 36:29Speaker 2: Hilton's use of zip ties in Meredith's abduction draws another
- 36:32Speaker 2: connection to the Cheryl Dunlap case. Investigators searching several of
- 36:36Speaker 2: Hilton's Leon County campsites find a number of items he
- 36:39Speaker 2: left behind, and zip ties are prominently among them. But
- 36:43Speaker 2: it's something else that Hilton leaves on Blood Mountain that
- 36:46Speaker 2: will make the connection undeniable.
- 36:48Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
- 37:05Speaker 3: And they were headed downslope.
- 37:07Speaker 19: Were you crouching behind a rock at that point?
- 37:11Speaker 3: I had been looking at them, and then I laid
- 37:13Speaker 3: down flat in the trail above them. Because if a
- 37:17Speaker 3: trail is cut into a slope and someone's below, if
- 37:21Speaker 3: you lay in the flat, you're deflated or inflated, so
- 37:25Speaker 3: to speak. And I laid down in the trail at
- 37:29Speaker 3: that point, and the stuff was gone.
- 37:32Speaker 2: Among the items Hilton lost on a mountain were his
- 37:34Speaker 2: expanding police baton, Meredith's leash and water bottles, and the
- 37:39Speaker 2: dagger-like knife he calls a bayonet. When investigators with the
- 37:43Speaker 2: Florida Department of Law Enforcement compare the blade of the
- 37:46Speaker 2: bayonet to the hole in Cheryl Dunlap's tire, any doubt
- 37:49Speaker 2: is put to rest. It's an exact match.
- 37:53Speaker 1: If I've been back to the crime scene, just a
- 37:57Speaker 1: few minutes ago, sooner, just several minutes sooner, I would
- 38:01Speaker 1: have beat those people that found the bat and I
- 38:03Speaker 1: would have picked it up. But if it was, I
- 38:07Speaker 1: had to bite her twice and bring her all the
- 38:11Speaker 1: way around the corner of the mountain and then secure
- 38:13Speaker 1: her to a tree in spite of her protestations and
- 38:18Speaker 1: then go back for it. So she caught me fair
- 38:21Speaker 1: and square. One thing I.
- 38:23Speaker 23: Didn't ask you about this, since you're on that point,
- 38:26Speaker 23: one thing I didn't ask you about, did you have
- 38:28Speaker 23: to put Something to keep her quiet, a gag, so
- 38:31Speaker 23: to speak, or anything like that?
- 38:34Speaker 1: Was she unconscious at that point?
- 38:35Speaker 3: Never.
- 38:36Speaker 1: I'm wondering why.
- 38:38Speaker 23: She wasn't yelling when you just tied her to a tree.
- 38:41Speaker 23: And when you went back to clean the crime scene
- 38:43Speaker 23: is what I'm getting at. There comes a point they
- 38:45Speaker 23: fight and then they submit.
- 38:49Speaker 3: Right.
- 38:49Speaker 1: And a lot of it is because of me. Right.
- 38:54Speaker 1: I reassure them. I reassure them. That it's going to
- 38:58Speaker 1: be okay, but just quit fighting or you're going to
- 39:00Speaker 1: get hurt. I tell them, listen, honey, I'm going to
- 39:05Speaker 1: spend life in prison just because you said no.
- 39:09Speaker 2: Gary has a great many ideas about how a victim
- 39:11Speaker 2: should behave under Meredith's circumstances.
- 39:14Speaker 1: But, you know, the advice to people if they're abducted
- 39:17Speaker 1: is to engage your abductor and to make yourself a
- 39:21Speaker 1: person to them and not have them think of you
- 39:24Speaker 1: as an object. To engage them, to tell them your name.
- 39:28Speaker 1: to tell them about yourself. tell them about your family
- 39:31Speaker 1: tell them about what tell your abductor that you know
- 39:34Speaker 1: tell them what you study what your dreams and hopes
- 39:37Speaker 1: and plans and schemes are and try to engage them
- 39:41Speaker 1: and make yourself a person rather than an object because
- 39:45Speaker 1: the abductor is psychopathic he's looking at you in a
- 39:48Speaker 1: human way and You want to make yourself a human.
- 39:52Speaker 3: No, no, no.
- 39:54Speaker 1: It was always me. It was always me engaging them.
- 39:59Speaker 1: First thing I ask them is, what kind of.
- 40:02Speaker 3: Music do you like?
- 40:04Speaker 1: What's your favorite song? What do you do for work?
- 40:07Speaker 1: Where do you go to sleep? What do you do?
- 40:11Speaker 1: And talk to them. It calms them down. It calms
- 40:14Speaker 1: them down. But none of them ever did that to me.
- 40:16Speaker 2: Hilton tells the investigators that he would act much differently
- 40:19Speaker 2: if put in that position.
- 40:20Speaker 1: I didn't even see nothing. I don't know a thing.
- 40:24Speaker 1: I had big alarms raised, I'd be pitching the whole
- 40:51Speaker 1: damn time.
- 40:52Speaker 2: Meredith, who wasn't fortunate enough to have Hilton's instructions on
- 40:55Speaker 2: how to be a victim, is subdued by other means.
- 40:59Speaker 19: What did you do at that point?
- 41:00Speaker 3: Went back to her and cut her loose. And she
- 41:07Speaker 3: was not taught at all except I put a loop
- 41:09Speaker 3: around her neck. What kind of loop? Just a nylon cord,
- 41:14Speaker 3: 300 pound test, just It wasn't even tied. It was
- 41:18Speaker 3: like a loop.
- 41:20Speaker 1: I put a loop line around her neck and just
- 41:24Speaker 1: like a leash, like a dog's leash. And that's the
- 41:26Speaker 1: only way she was secured.
- 41:28Speaker 3: Okay.
- 41:28Speaker 1: And I told her that I had a gun and that,
- 41:31Speaker 1: you know, I was going to shoot her right now.
- 41:33Speaker 1: I didn't have a gun, but I had a BB
- 41:35Speaker 1: pistol that looked like a gun. And I was going
- 41:38Speaker 1: to shoot her right now. And, you know, she took
- 41:41Speaker 1: off running or something. You know, because you got to
- 41:44Speaker 1: do that because Most girls could probably outrun me. You know,
- 41:49Speaker 1: not that fast. And after that, from then on, she
- 41:53Speaker 1: totally cooperated. We traversed the Blood Mountain through the sticks up,
- 41:58Speaker 1: down through the drainage up. She was totally cooperative with me.
- 42:03Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.
- 42:04Speaker 19: At this point, was her hands free?
- 42:06Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 42:06Speaker 19: Okay, you didn't have those at the time?
- 42:08Speaker 3: You just had the new thing? Yes, and I told
- 42:11Speaker 3: her I had a fistful, which I did, but I
- 42:12Speaker 3: told her I had a firearm. And I would shoot her.
- 42:16Speaker 3: By that time and from that time on, she was compliant,
- 42:21Speaker 3: totally compliant. And I was solicitous of her behavior, of
- 42:24Speaker 3: her condition, and of her comfort from then on also. Okay.
- 42:31Speaker 3: My fail was not to torture her.
- 42:32Speaker 2: Hilton says that he took Meredith down the mountain before
- 42:35Speaker 2: tying her to another tree and again making what he
- 42:37Speaker 2: calls the demand.
- 42:40Speaker 3: I told her, well, I was going to have to
- 42:42Speaker 3: get her cards and PIN number out of the car,
- 42:44Speaker 3: which was in her purse, under the seat.
- 42:46Speaker 19: Let me back up. Did she tell you where her
- 42:48Speaker 19: purse and PIN cards were?
- 42:50Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
- 42:52Speaker 19: And she told you where her cards were at that point?
- 42:55Speaker 3: Yeah. She told me incorrectly, but it was just under
- 42:57Speaker 3: the wrong seat. It was under the driver's seat, back
- 43:00Speaker 3: into the passenger seat. Okay.
- 43:02Speaker 2: Hilton says he approached the parking lot cautiously, knowing there
- 43:06Speaker 2: was a chance that the hikers above had called the police.
- 43:08Speaker 2: When he arrives, however, the coast is clear, and he
- 43:11Speaker 2: moves his van next to her car.
- 43:14Speaker 3: So I walked her up next to her car, opened
- 43:17Speaker 3: the side door of my van, and put her in
- 43:19Speaker 3: my van, and then took a chain, put her in
- 43:24Speaker 3: my van, and laid her down. And I had two
- 43:26Speaker 3: lengths of chain padlocked to the seat mounting, the front
- 43:32Speaker 3: seat mountings, one chain. In other words, the seat mount,
- 43:36Speaker 3: you know, where the seat of the passenger of the car.
- 43:38Speaker 3: Both of those chains were padlocked by one end to
- 43:40Speaker 3: the seat mount. What did she say to you?
- 43:43Speaker 19: Did she say anything at that point?
- 43:45Speaker 3: She said they told me not to get in the
- 43:47Speaker 3: van or in a vehicle or something like that. And
- 43:52Speaker 3: then I determined from her where her purse was, which
- 43:55Speaker 3: was under the passenger rather than the driver's side. Okay.
- 43:59Speaker 19: Did you have to force her into the van, or
- 44:01Speaker 19: did she cooperate?
- 44:03Speaker 3: No, she protested, but, yeah, no, she was compliant from,
- 44:07Speaker 3: you know, I didn't, there was no physical force at
- 44:10Speaker 3: any time after that. Okay. After that, up on the mountain. Oh, okay.
- 44:15Speaker 19: So she protested and said.
- 44:18Speaker 3: They told me not to get in the vehicle. I said,
- 44:20Speaker 3: get in the damn thing.
- 44:22Speaker 19: And she went in?
- 44:22Speaker 1: Okay.
- 44:24Speaker 2: Gary says that after Meredith was secured by chains in
- 44:27Speaker 2: his van, he put her dog Ella in her car
- 44:29Speaker 2: before heading to nearby Blairsville with the intention of finding
- 44:32Speaker 2: an ATM. But soon, Gary says he had a change
- 44:36Speaker 2: of heart.
- 44:37Speaker 3: Got several miles away as we were driving away, and
- 44:41Speaker 3: she's still voicing concern about her dog. I wanted her
- 44:43Speaker 3: to be calm and, you know, as she could be,
- 44:47Speaker 3: and I knew she was anxious about her dog. So
- 44:50Speaker 3: I said, well... Do you want me to go back
- 44:52Speaker 3: and get your dog? She said yes. So I turned around,
- 44:57Speaker 3: went back, and got her dog.
- 44:59Speaker 2: Of all the details Gary has given thus far, this
- 45:02Speaker 2: act of kindness is perhaps the hardest to believe. And
- 45:05Speaker 2: yet the investigators know that it must be at least
- 45:07Speaker 2: partially true, because Ella was finally found incoming, nearly 50
- 45:12Speaker 2: miles south of Blood Mountain. Then again, Gary appears to
- 45:15Speaker 2: have a compassion for dogs that doesn't extend to humans.
- 45:19Speaker 1: People are enculturated and programmed to only believe that life
- 45:23Speaker 1: is valid if they're doing it with others. So the
- 45:25Speaker 1: problem with these poor loners, these sociopaths, is they're so
- 45:29Speaker 1: programmed like that that in spite of themselves, they don't
- 45:33Speaker 1: know themselves. They don't understand that there's no hope for them.
- 45:37Speaker 1: They don't understand that they're a round peg in a
- 45:42Speaker 1: square hole and that they're never going to fit in.
- 45:45Speaker 1: They don't understand that there's no way in the world
- 45:48Speaker 1: that they are going to get real satisfaction out of
- 45:52Speaker 1: a human relationship. I didn't understand myself until actually when
- 45:59Speaker 1: I got a dog. And all of a sudden, I
- 46:01Speaker 1: was no longer alone, and I didn't have that wrenching
- 46:04Speaker 1: sense of loneliness and being alone, but yet there would
- 46:10Speaker 1: be no salvation in the company of others. You're alone,
- 46:13Speaker 1: your life is empty, alone, lonely, but there's no salvation
- 46:18Speaker 1: or satisfaction in the company of others. It's a terrible,
- 46:22Speaker 1: I see many, those are the worst kind of people.
- 46:25Speaker 1: They're tragically unhappy.
- 46:27Speaker 2: Of course, Gary's thoughts on the errors of humanity go
- 46:29Speaker 2: well beyond sociopaths like himself.
- 46:32Speaker 1: And there's a psychiatric school of thought that says existential
- 46:36Speaker 1: anxiety is responsible for most of human neurosis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 46:41Speaker 1: Because we're the only... Did that bother you back then?
- 46:44Speaker 1: Since I was four years old, my earliest thoughts were
- 46:46Speaker 1: of death and that I was going to die.
- 46:48Speaker 6: Really?
- 46:48Speaker 1: When I was four years old, I can place it
- 46:50Speaker 1: because of the situation I was in when I thought it.
- 46:54Speaker 1: And when I was four years old, I can remember
- 46:57Speaker 1: looking at my hand and pondering the fact that this
- 46:59Speaker 1: hand one day will be a skeleton. Yeah, when I
- 47:03Speaker 1: was four years old. What was the situation if you
- 47:05Speaker 1: don't know that? No, it was an intellectual thought. It
- 47:08Speaker 1: was the awareness of my future and my life. The
- 47:11Speaker 1: humans are the only animal that I know of that
- 47:13Speaker 1: really has to cope with it all. It's really hard
- 47:15Speaker 1: to tell. Hard to tell, but it's a tremendous psychic load.
- 47:22Speaker 1: The knowledge of our future non-being or the inevitability of
- 47:27Speaker 1: our death is the thing that shakes our entire life.
- 47:31Speaker 2: Rather than lure Hilton back to the point, the investigators
- 47:34Speaker 2: appeal to his ego.
- 47:36Speaker 23: All your travels and camping and stuff, you get By yourself,
- 47:41Speaker 23: you get a lot of time to think and gain
- 47:45Speaker 23: a lot of insight.
- 47:46Speaker 1: Lawyers and everyone else ask me constantly, how come you're
- 47:50Speaker 1: so seemingly intelligent? Are you well-read? Are you well-educated? You're right.
- 47:55Speaker 1: You hit it right on the head. That's very perceptive
- 47:57Speaker 1: of you. The reason I'm so seemingly intelligent is that I,
- 48:02Speaker 1: alone amongst almost anyone, including you dudes, have time to
- 48:07Speaker 1: actually stop and think about things. You don't have time
- 48:10Speaker 1: to stop and think about things. You are so busy
- 48:13Speaker 1: distracting yourself because you're running from really the reality of
- 48:18Speaker 1: the situation, which is you're going to die. And you
- 48:22Speaker 1: are so busy just frantically desperately distracting yourself with every
- 48:27Speaker 1: kind of thing in the world, including your work. Now, again,
- 48:31Speaker 1: I'm not judging you. I mean, you're just human beings.
- 48:34Speaker 1: That's all you are. You're just human beings and God
- 48:37Speaker 1: bless you.
- 48:37Speaker 2: Gary says that his time in the woods has given
- 48:40Speaker 2: shape to his character.
- 48:41Speaker 1: You got time to think. That's one of my personalities.
- 48:44Speaker 1: I'm a philosopher, I'm a soldier, I'm a scientist, and
- 48:48Speaker 1: I'm an artist. And those are all distinct personality types
- 48:53Speaker 1: that represent different distinctly different things, and I'm all of them.
- 48:59Speaker 1: What's your artistic side? What do you mean by artist? Well,
- 49:03Speaker 1: by artist, I mean truly in the sense of being
- 49:05Speaker 1: an artist in that you see everything in terms of
- 49:09Speaker 1: not the linear, but the oppression of it, and so forth.
- 49:14Speaker 1: And as far as the medium goes, I'm an artist
- 49:18Speaker 1: that people ask me, I tell them I'm an artist,
- 49:21Speaker 1: and they say, well, what's your medium? Are you a sculptor? No,
- 49:25Speaker 1: my artist, my art is my life. And my art
- 49:30Speaker 1: is weird.
- 49:31Speaker 3: No. Laugh!
- 49:33Speaker 1: I'm an artist. My art is my life. My art
- 49:37Speaker 1: is weird. Laugh! Laugh! No, I'm actually buying into this.
- 49:41Speaker 1: Of course, it's true.
- 49:42Speaker 3: It's all true.
- 49:43Speaker 1: It's true. It's real. Everything I'm telling you is true.
- 49:46Speaker 1: Everything I'm telling you is real.
- 49:47Speaker 3: It exists.
- 49:48Speaker 1: It's true.
- 49:49Speaker 2: Hilton tells them that he even made the decision to
- 49:51Speaker 2: yank some of his teeth out for the purpose of
- 49:53Speaker 2: his art. And, of course, to stand out even more
- 49:57Speaker 2: from the rest of society.
- 49:58Speaker 1: You've got a grinning I call it a dental display,
- 50:02Speaker 1: is what I call it. It's like chimpanzees and other race,
- 50:06Speaker 1: they do a genital display. You ever see a chimpanzee
- 50:08Speaker 1: in a zoo? They'll go like that. That's a genital display. Well,
- 50:12Speaker 1: they do a dental, human, do a dental display. That's
- 50:15Speaker 1: why I love my teeth. These are both artistic, philosophical statements,
- 50:18Speaker 1: and they're practical, too. If someone's with me, I'll go,
- 50:21Speaker 1: you're pretty. It scares the out of any damn human,
- 50:26Speaker 1: but they know I'm for real. I ain't no Debbie.
- 50:29Speaker 3: See?
- 50:30Speaker 1: I ain't posing. I got my pot and teeth in.
- 50:35Speaker 1: And I present this fantastical spectacle to people. But I understand.
- 50:40Speaker 1: They can't understand it because it's so fantastical. It's kind
- 50:43Speaker 1: of like the Lone Ranger. And the Lone Ranger would
- 50:46Speaker 1: come galloping into town. They would be all the schmuck townspeople, right?
- 50:50Speaker 1: And here the Lone Ranger would be wearing this mask,
- 50:52Speaker 1: a skin-tight outfit. a really elaborate two-gun rig mounted with
- 50:57Speaker 1: silver with chrome pistols and just a theatrical outfit. He'd
- 51:01Speaker 1: be mounted on this beautiful Palomino. He'd have this trippy
- 51:05Speaker 1: Indian named Tonto. And if the Lone Ranger would ride
- 51:11Speaker 1: out again, what would they always say about the Lone Ranger?
- 51:14Speaker 1: You don't remember. They would always say, Who was that
- 51:17Speaker 1: masked man? Who was that masked man? Okay, that's what
- 51:22Speaker 1: I do to society.
- 51:23Speaker 2: Though many of his home videos show Gary alone with Dandy,
- 51:27Speaker 2: some of them do show him interacting with others, such
- 51:30Speaker 2: as this Papa John's manager who seemed less than impressed
- 51:33Speaker 2: with Hilton's version of the mysterious stranger.
- 51:36Speaker 22: You tell these guys to quit terror driving, you tell
- 51:39Speaker 22: them not to drive more than five miles an hour
- 51:42Speaker 22: above the limit, you tell them to keep at least
- 51:44Speaker 22: a vehicle length, at least, and it should be one
- 51:47Speaker 22: vehicle for every 10 miles an hour.
- 51:50Speaker 2: If this is Hilton affecting society at large like the
- 51:53Speaker 2: Lone Ranger, one can only imagine the impression he made
- 51:56Speaker 2: on Meredith Emerson. But while the 24-year-old may have no
- 52:00Speaker 2: longer physically resisted Hilton after Blood Mountain, she wasn't done
- 52:04Speaker 2: fighting him.
- 52:05Speaker 1: I was saying that when it comes to individual human beings,
- 52:08Speaker 1: the answer is rarely simple. I simplify groups of human beings.
- 52:12Speaker 1: And you really have to, actually, to preserve your scalp,
- 52:14Speaker 1: for that matter. You have to make broad judgments about
- 52:19Speaker 1: groups of human beings. But always understanding that individual human beings,
- 52:25Speaker 1: the answer is rarely simple.
- 52:26Speaker 3: It rarely is.
- 52:27Speaker 2: The individual Hilton abducted on that mountain still has some
- 52:30Speaker 2: surprises in store. And when Hilton prepares to drain Meredith's
- 52:34Speaker 2: bank account like he did Cheryl's, he realizes it won't
- 52:38Speaker 2: be quite so easy.
- 52:39Speaker 3: Went to the Appalachian Bank, attempted to run the cards.
- 52:44Speaker 19: And they didn't work?
- 52:47Speaker 3: Didn't work. I parked across the street. How many cards
- 52:50Speaker 3: did you use? I had three, but I'm really not
- 52:55Speaker 3: sure because she had me run them so many times
- 52:57Speaker 3: that I'm not sure. You know, she had me run
- 53:00Speaker 3: them in Blairsville. Then I went to Gainesville. Then I
- 53:03Speaker 3: went to Canton. I tried multiple times. The card wouldn't work.
- 53:08Speaker 3: It was either invalid or unauthorized, one way or the other.
- 53:13Speaker 3: So I came back, went back to the van. I said, honey,
- 53:17Speaker 3: I'm going to go. She danced me around with two
- 53:20Speaker 3: more pin numbers. Well, I think I did this, or
- 53:23Speaker 3: I just changed it over, and I'm not sure, and
- 53:25Speaker 3: this and that, and I changed it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
- 53:29Speaker 3: Go try it again. It'll work.
- 53:31Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
- 53:32Speaker 3: This number, give me another two numbers. Not working, huh?
- 53:36Speaker 3: You might as well just give it up. I don't
- 53:38Speaker 3: know what purpose of this, et cetera.
- 53:40Speaker 2: Meredith convinces Hilton that he may need to try at
- 53:42Speaker 2: another bank.
- 53:43Speaker 19: Four or five times she kept trying to convince.
- 53:46Speaker 3: You that it would work. She did convince me. She
- 53:48Speaker 3: ran me back. I'd come, I'd go try it like
- 53:52Speaker 3: an idiot. You know, like some internal optimist. I had
- 53:56Speaker 3: to go out of the van, walk the 100 yards
- 53:59Speaker 3: or wherever to it, run it, you know, come back.
- 54:02Speaker 3: She'd give me some other story. Right. Or another car.
- 54:06Speaker 19: Right.
- 54:06Speaker 3: I got three I have to work with. Yeah. I
- 54:09Speaker 3: don't know why the reason for all this was. I
- 54:12Speaker 3: told her later, I said, I'm not even going to
- 54:14Speaker 3: ask you why. It's just that I'll never understand why
- 54:16Speaker 3: the purpose of you doing this for her.
- 54:20Speaker 2: It may be that Meredith's strategy was twofold. One, as
- 54:23Speaker 2: long as he didn't have access to her accounts, her
- 54:26Speaker 2: life remained valuable to Hilton. Two, every failed ATM transaction
- 54:30Speaker 2: left a digital footprint, potentially giving police a direct line
- 54:34Speaker 2: to their location.
- 54:35Speaker 19: Did you attempt to conceal your face in any way
- 54:38Speaker 19: when you used it?
- 54:38Speaker 3: Yeah, I did conceal my face.
- 54:40Speaker 19: How did you conceal your face?
- 54:41Speaker 3: I held a towel over my face.
- 54:45Speaker 2: It's another chilling echo to the Cheryl Dunlap case in Florida.
- 54:49Speaker 2: The only question is whether Meredith's resistance would allow her
- 54:52Speaker 2: to escape Cheryl's grisly fate.
- 54:54Speaker 19: So when you left the bank attempts down in Gainesville,
- 54:58Speaker 19: which way.
- 54:59Speaker 3: Did you go? Back to Dahlonega. Okay. Now it's too late,
- 55:04Speaker 3: and I've had it. I'm like in the shape I
- 55:07Speaker 3: am now, you know. With the MS, some days I
- 55:11Speaker 3: can't get out of bed, and then some days I'm
- 55:12Speaker 3: good for a few hours, and my time is up.
- 55:16Speaker 3: As far as being able to function or even think.
- 55:19Speaker 3: And I started north with the object of getting a
- 55:23Speaker 3: campsite somewhere.
- 55:25Speaker 2: Gary says they found a place to camp that first
- 55:27Speaker 2: night in Dahlonega, Georgia. but not before a close call
- 55:31Speaker 2: nearly put a quick end to his plans.
- 55:34Speaker 3: The snow was coming in at higher elevations, and it
- 55:37Speaker 3: was accumulating rapidly. And there was probably two inches on
- 55:40Speaker 3: the ground on the road very quickly. Mm-hmm. and I
- 55:44Speaker 3: was losing traction and control. And then I came around
- 55:49Speaker 3: a curve, and the car had sort of slid off
- 55:52Speaker 3: the road, and there was a sheriff's deputy there with
- 55:54Speaker 3: his blue light, and turned around and went back down
- 55:57Speaker 3: just right past the sheriff's deputy again. She saw the
- 56:01Speaker 3: blue light and everything, but... and was only loosely secured.
- 56:05Speaker 2: Having eluded law enforcement, Hilton made camp with his hostage.
- 56:09Speaker 3: Camp there. I gave her the best bag. I gave
- 56:12Speaker 3: her the mattress that didn't leak. I got a plus
- 56:14Speaker 3: five degree bag. Well, I had five bags with me.
- 56:19Speaker 3: You know, each dog got a bag. Each dog got
- 56:22Speaker 3: a 20-degree bag.
- 56:25Speaker 19: Where did you camp, in the van or outside?
- 56:28Speaker 3: Yeah, she helped me offload the van. I just done change.
- 56:31Speaker 3: She was free. She was only secure while we were moving.
- 56:35Speaker 3: She was not tied up. And while we were asleep,
- 56:38Speaker 3: I would tie a long length of, nylon cord around
- 56:42Speaker 3: her ankles, quadruple knotted, and then quadruple knotted at an
- 56:46Speaker 3: anchor point in the van. That was simply to keep
- 56:49Speaker 3: her from jumping up and taking off while I was asleep. Now,
- 56:52Speaker 3: I gotta ask you this.
- 56:54Speaker 19: Was there any sexual activity between you two? And keep
- 56:58Speaker 19: in mind now, we will be able to find out,
- 57:00Speaker 19: but I'm asking you now if it's accurate or not.
- 57:04Speaker 19: Was there any sexual activity between the two of you?
- 57:07Speaker 3: Yeah. There was? Yes, one time, first night. I told her, honey,
- 57:14Speaker 3: it wasn't forcible, but of course it was unwanted.
- 57:16Speaker 4: Right, right.
- 57:17Speaker 3: But it wasn't forcible.
- 57:18Speaker 19: Okay.
- 57:20Speaker 3: And I told her, honey, I told you I was
- 57:22Speaker 3: going to let you go. You run me around. You
- 57:25Speaker 3: run me all over North Georgia. Maybe put 150 miles
- 57:28Speaker 3: on my van. We still don't. You've lied to me.
- 57:32Speaker 3: Give me some time. And she did.
- 57:34Speaker 2: Hilton says that despite being abducted, beaten, and violated, Meredith
- 57:39Speaker 2: was enjoying herself.
- 57:41Speaker 3: She's not having a bad time. She's been kidnapped. She
- 57:45Speaker 3: wasn't in mental distress other than any kind of real.
- 57:50Speaker 3: I was solicitous of her comfort and everything else.
- 57:55Speaker 2: It's hard to know if this is delusion talking or
- 57:58Speaker 2: simply another reflection of Hilton's disdain for women.
- 58:01Speaker 1: I mean, the last piece of I had except for
- 58:04Speaker 1: here was in 89, was in January of 89. And
- 58:08Speaker 1: I never kind of dropped out of the game, man.
- 58:10Speaker 1: I was never so happy after I did that. Oh, yeah.
- 58:15Speaker 1: Once you stop getting led around by the, and we
- 58:18Speaker 1: all are. All of us are. That's right. That's right.
- 58:23Speaker 1: That's why we become less than men. That's why we
- 58:25Speaker 1: start doing a woman's agenda. Oh, I'm going to tell
- 58:27Speaker 1: you something, and you take it from me.
- 58:29Speaker 3: Really? No.
- 58:31Speaker 1: You know what you're being fooled by? You're all being fooled.
- 58:34Speaker 1: You're being fooled by a woman's instinct, not her free will.
- 58:37Speaker 1: Her instinct is that of nurturing. That's because instinctually she
- 58:42Speaker 1: raises the kids. And you're being fooled by her nurturing
- 58:47Speaker 1: instinct that she has a soft spot for kids and
- 58:50Speaker 1: small furry animals. But I'm going to tell you something.
- 58:52Speaker 1: You take it to the bank, pal. And you take
- 58:54Speaker 1: it from a guy that begged professionally for over 20 years.
- 58:58Speaker 1: The sex that is the most avaricious, accumulative, gravy and
- 59:03Speaker 1: heartless is women.
- 59:05Speaker 2: Hilton seems to detect no irony delivering this sermon on
- 59:09Speaker 2: women before returning. to the story of how he kidnapped one.
- 59:12Speaker 3: I determined the next day that I would go to Canton.
- 59:16Speaker 3: And one reason I headed in that direction is that
- 59:19Speaker 3: I had a person I knew that I thought, you know,
- 59:21Speaker 3: a plan B would be to try to get some
- 59:24Speaker 3: money from her. She was in that direction. I don't
- 59:27Speaker 3: have any money. I had $ 45 on me and spent
- 59:32Speaker 3: $ 30 of my last $ 45 on gas. So I had
- 59:36Speaker 3: no gas, no money. But anyway, that's one reason I
- 59:39Speaker 3: headed in Canton. So I'd go on to Cartersville if
- 59:43Speaker 3: necessary and try to get some money.
- 59:45Speaker 19: Who is this person that you were going to get
- 59:46Speaker 19: money from?
- 59:47Speaker 3: The person I was calling from the gas station in
- 59:52Speaker 3: Cumming where the clothes were found. That's the call I
- 59:55Speaker 3: was making. She refused me and hang up.
- 59:57Speaker 2: With Meredith thwarting his attempts to steal from her, Hilton
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: says he reached out to a man he used to
- 1:00:02Speaker 2: work for.
- 1:00:03Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
- 1:00:06Speaker 19: I know that you made a phone call from.
- 1:00:08Speaker 3: Marble Hill also. At one point. You mean from the
- 1:00:12Speaker 3: huddle house? Right. That was to my employer, John Tabor,
- 1:00:15Speaker 3: to get to beg my old job back. Right.
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: By the time Hilton called Tabor, early descriptions of the
- 1:00:21Speaker 2: man seen with Meredith on Blood Mountain were already circulating
- 1:00:25Speaker 2: through the media. Tabor not only identifies Hilton to the police,
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: he tells Hilton he'll leave a check for him at
- 1:00:31Speaker 2: his office. Police stake out the location, but Hilton never shows.
- 1:00:35Speaker 1: We all, even guys like myself, that are just totally sociopathic,
- 1:00:41Speaker 1: we still need some human to trust. Right. Even if
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: we're not close to them.
- 1:00:46Speaker 3: Right.
- 1:00:47Speaker 1: To trust them, even if it's a business associate. I
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: called Tabor up and asked him. I told him I
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: needed money, and I wanted to start working again for him.
- 1:00:56Speaker 1: And I was really sincere in trying to start work
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: again for him because I saw that this Robert wasn't
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: getting it because I hadn't... I haven't gotten any money
- 1:01:05Speaker 1: off her. You know, I haven't gotten a dime. I've
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: spent money on her. I had $ 45 to my name,
- 1:01:12Speaker 1: and I'd spent $ 30 of it driving all over North
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: Georgia trying to work her ADN card on the bogus
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: number she gave me. I've lost money on that deal.
- 1:01:21Speaker 1: If Tabor had said, instead of trying to entrap me,
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: I mean, what's the use of that? I mean, really.
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: Because if they knew who I am, they're going to
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: catch me anyway. If Tabor had said, hey, Gary, they
- 1:01:35Speaker 1: know it's you. They know it's you. They're on to you.
- 1:01:39Speaker 1: They're looking for you now. Because I wasn't in the
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: paper that day. I joked about it with a girl.
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: This was the second day or third day I'd had her,
- 1:01:47Speaker 1: second or third day I'd had her, and she still
- 1:01:49Speaker 1: wasn't in the paper. I said, you know something? No
- 1:01:51Speaker 1: one's even missed you. And she said, well, I'd be
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: mad if once you let me go. And I came back,
- 1:01:56Speaker 1: and my boyfriend said, have you been gone? She said,
- 1:02:00Speaker 1: we were laughing about it, because nothing had appeared in
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: the paper.
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: Hilton manages to avoid the trap Tabor and police set
- 1:02:06Speaker 2: for him, and at least according to him, spent a
- 1:02:09Speaker 2: pleasant day with his victim out in the woods.
- 1:02:12Speaker 3: Went to Dawson Forest and camped there, and you know,
- 1:02:16Speaker 3: I think we spent two nights there because we went
- 1:02:19Speaker 3: hiking the next day. Yeah, we went hiking, yeah. We
- 1:02:23Speaker 3: went hiking, yeah. We spent two days, two nights there.
- 1:02:27Speaker 3: And we were 11 degrees outside air temperature there, so
- 1:02:31Speaker 3: I had stoves going. I have stoves to use as
- 1:02:33Speaker 3: a heater. And I had the van going from time
- 1:02:38Speaker 3: to time and keep warm. And we spent two nights
- 1:02:42Speaker 3: there because we went hiking one day the next day.
- 1:02:45Speaker 3: We took the both dogs and went hiking along Shoals Creek. Okay.
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: We had a good time.
- 1:02:51Speaker 3: Okay.
- 1:02:51Speaker 19: How did you keep her from running off while you
- 1:02:54Speaker 19: were hiking?
- 1:02:54Speaker 3: No, I told her, remember two things. One, if you
- 1:02:57Speaker 3: bust out through the woods, the pursuer has the advantage.
- 1:03:00Speaker 3: Because the pursuit has to break brush. If you bust
- 1:03:02Speaker 3: out running down the road or anywhere else, I'll shoot
- 1:03:05Speaker 3: you down. And I'm a good shot left or right-handed
- 1:03:08Speaker 3: because my right hand was up, which I am. And,
- 1:03:12Speaker 3: you know, that was it. She was not having a
- 1:03:15Speaker 3: bad time at all and enjoying herself on the hike,
- 1:03:18Speaker 3: I could tell that. Commenting on how beautiful it was.
- 1:03:21Speaker 3: We hiked for several hours along Shoal Creek.
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: Again, Hilton is insistent that Meredith was enjoying her time
- 1:03:28Speaker 2: as the victim of a violent kidnapping. A story that
- 1:03:31Speaker 2: doesn't gain believability the more he repeats it. And if
- 1:03:35Speaker 2: his intention is to convince the agents that he has
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: a heart underneath the cruelty, the conclusion to his story
- 1:03:41Speaker 2: erases that possibility.
- 1:03:43Speaker 3: And then the next day, we got up and told
- 1:03:48Speaker 3: her she was going home. I said, I'm giving you
- 1:03:50Speaker 3: all your stuff back. I had all her stuff backed
- 1:03:52Speaker 3: up together. I made a point of showing her. She
- 1:03:57Speaker 3: always helped me load and unload, especially because my hand
- 1:04:00Speaker 3: was messed up. So in other words, consistent with being kidnapped,
- 1:04:04Speaker 3: she was having a good time. You know what I mean.
- 1:04:07Speaker 3: I won't say she's enjoying it, but she was into it.
- 1:04:11Speaker 3: She was at ease, totally at ease. Well, let me
- 1:04:15Speaker 3: ask you this.
- 1:04:16Speaker 19: Did you guys leave the site you were camping at
- 1:04:18Speaker 19: at that point?
- 1:04:19Speaker 3: No, no. Okay. No, we're packing up and telling her
- 1:04:21Speaker 3: I'm taking her out. I'm going to release her.
- 1:04:24Speaker 2: Hilton says they left the campsite together, but soon he
- 1:04:27Speaker 2: pulled the van over in another area of Dawson Forest.
- 1:04:30Speaker 2: In between, he says, there was another close call.
- 1:04:34Speaker 3: And there was a pickup there, and as he drove by,
- 1:04:36Speaker 3: I waved at him. It was law enforcement. Really? Yeah.
- 1:04:40Speaker 1: Okay.
- 1:04:40Speaker 3: It was that close. It was that close. She wasn't
- 1:04:42Speaker 3: even secured either.
- 1:04:43Speaker 2: Having once again caught a lucky break, Hilton took Meredith
- 1:04:46Speaker 2: to a secluded spot.
- 1:04:48Speaker 3: Walked her into the woods, got two sleeping bags. I
- 1:04:53Speaker 3: got a mattress for her to sit on, two bags
- 1:04:55Speaker 3: to put over her, a lens of a chain, secured
- 1:04:58Speaker 3: it to a tree, walked back to the van. I'm
- 1:05:02Speaker 3: staggering around by now. You know, I'm just, I've had it.
- 1:05:05Speaker 3: I can't even think straight. I'm, you know, I'm just staggering,
- 1:05:08Speaker 3: you know. I have all those groceries. I'm just staggering. Went,
- 1:05:12Speaker 3: kind of got myself together, made some coffee and everything.
- 1:05:16Speaker 3: Walked back. And at that point, she was there. She said,
- 1:05:20Speaker 3: I was afraid you weren't coming back. I said, glad
- 1:05:23Speaker 3: to see me. And she said, I was afraid you
- 1:05:24Speaker 3: weren't coming back. I gave her a book to read
- 1:05:27Speaker 3: and everything else there.
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: But he grabbed something else when he was back at
- 1:05:31Speaker 2: his van, an iron bar. At long last, Hilton reveals
- 1:05:36Speaker 2: the horrifying truth, a truth police suspected from the moment
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: they found the bloody clothes in that gas station dumpster.
- 1:05:42Speaker 3: And I walked up and made as if to unsecure
- 1:05:46Speaker 3: the chain, struck her with the bar. What bar? It
- 1:05:50Speaker 3: was a jackhandle, just a straight jackhandle. Jack handled a
- 1:05:55Speaker 3: solid iron bar. Struck her with that. She said, no,
- 1:06:01Speaker 3: let me go. Put her hands up. I kept striking her.
- 1:06:04Speaker 3: You'll see some defensive wounds to her hand. She lost consciousness,
- 1:06:08Speaker 3: and I kept striking her to ensure she was dead.
- 1:06:11Speaker 2: Hilton says that Meredith had to die to ensure his freedom.
- 1:06:16Speaker 1: Once you've taken someone, you're either going to kill them
- 1:06:20Speaker 1: or you're going to get caught. It's as simple... to that.
- 1:06:25Speaker 1: In my situation, look at me. I got the dog.
- 1:06:27Speaker 1: I got the van. I'm me. I'm famous anyway, regardless.
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: And I knew it. Once you've taken someone, you either
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: kill them or you get caught. If you release them,
- 1:06:39Speaker 1: you're going to get caught. I mean, am I right
- 1:06:43Speaker 1: or not? If I would have been sure. Well, she's
- 1:06:47Speaker 1: seen the van. She's seen the bag. She's seen the dog.
- 1:06:49Speaker 1: All she has to do is put that out And 10,000
- 1:06:52Speaker 1: people would be caught, including paper. He was just the
- 1:06:56Speaker 1: first one, you know. Of course I knew it. You
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: either kill them or you get caught. Of course I
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: was able to do it because of my general rage
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: against society. Of course.
- 1:07:05Speaker 2: Hilton's rage is evident as he describes what he did next.
- 1:07:09Speaker 3: Removed her head. Removed the head with a serrated knife,
- 1:07:13Speaker 3: which you probably have in the dumpster, I think.
- 1:07:15Speaker 19: A serrated knife?
- 1:07:18Speaker 3: Yeah, like a butcher knife or a kitchen knife. A long.
- 1:07:22Speaker 19: And that was in the dumpster as well.
- 1:07:25Speaker 3: Was that.
- 1:07:25Speaker 19: I mean, is that difficult to do, to take somebody's
- 1:07:27Speaker 19: head off? I've never seen that done.
- 1:07:29Speaker 3: I mean, is it.
- 1:07:31Speaker 19: I'm not asking for my.
- 1:07:33Speaker 3: I understand. Right. And it doesn't seem real. It doesn't
- 1:07:37Speaker 3: seem real looking back on it.
- 1:07:38Speaker 19: I can't imagine a kitchen knife being able to do that.
- 1:07:43Speaker 3: This is a knife with a blade this long. Okay.
- 1:07:46Speaker 3: It's serrated, and so it's a saw. Oh, okay. I
- 1:07:48Speaker 3: got you. It's just sawing. All you got to do
- 1:07:50Speaker 3: is keep sawing, sawing, sawing, sawing, sawing, and then get
- 1:07:55Speaker 3: through the joint. It's just like you would... That's what
- 1:07:59Speaker 3: it's made for in the kitchen, to cut up meat.
- 1:08:02Speaker 2: Hilton says that his decision to cut Meredith's head off
- 1:08:05Speaker 2: was purely practical.
- 1:08:06Speaker 15: The only reason, by the way, the head was removed
- 1:08:09Speaker 15: was forensically.
- 1:08:11Speaker 3: In other words, the hair is full of fiber. I
- 1:08:14Speaker 3: poured liquid bleach all over her to any DNA, and
- 1:08:19Speaker 3: I knew bleach would not destroy fibers, but that any
- 1:08:23Speaker 3: DNA she may have picked up, from my clothes. She'd
- 1:08:27Speaker 3: been wearing my clothes for now, what, three days or something.
- 1:08:33Speaker 3: And so I poured liquid bleach over her. And again,
- 1:08:37Speaker 3: this was not done to preclude identification or for any
- 1:08:42Speaker 3: other reason other than at that time, I didn't know
- 1:08:47Speaker 3: that I'd even been associated with it. So I'm And
- 1:08:51Speaker 3: I felt, I knew the body would be found sooner
- 1:08:53Speaker 3: or later. These bodies, the body in here, sooner or
- 1:08:55Speaker 3: later is going to come to light. It is. And
- 1:08:58Speaker 3: this is not the first body that... been discarded.
- 1:09:01Speaker 2: Hilton's last remark seems to go unnoticed, but one could
- 1:09:04Speaker 2: reasonably wonder if the image in his mind at that
- 1:09:06Speaker 2: moment was that of Cheryl Dunlap, whose decapitated body was
- 1:09:10Speaker 2: left in the woods, just like Meredith's.
- 1:09:13Speaker 3: Then I left, headed south to that gas station where
- 1:09:17Speaker 3: I made the call to try to get some money.
- 1:09:18Speaker 3: I'm down to... I think it was $ 18, something like that.
- 1:09:23Speaker 3: I'm getting full of glass.
- 1:09:25Speaker 19: This was incoming?
- 1:09:26Speaker 3: Yeah, that gas station. I took her dog with me,
- 1:09:29Speaker 3: and I found a location where I knew the dog
- 1:09:32Speaker 3: would be okay. It's a bustling, bustling center. And I
- 1:09:36Speaker 3: knew that the dog would be picked up. And I
- 1:09:40Speaker 3: also knew the dog was microchipped.
- 1:09:42Speaker 19: How'd you know that?
- 1:09:43Speaker 3: She told me. If I wanted to ensure that no
- 1:09:47Speaker 3: one would associate the dog with her, I would have
- 1:09:49Speaker 3: killed the dog. Right. But there's no way I could
- 1:09:51Speaker 3: do that. Right.
- 1:09:52Speaker 2: The investigators are left to wonder how it is that
- 1:09:54Speaker 2: the serial murderer before them draws the line at the
- 1:09:57Speaker 2: killing of a dog. But perhaps it's right in line
- 1:10:00Speaker 2: with his life story. The ruthless wanderer with no regard
- 1:10:04Speaker 2: for anyone other than his one trusted companion.
- 1:10:07Speaker 1: My boy. He's my baby.
- 1:10:13Speaker 3: Battery, memory's probably, probably doing, gonna go any second. This
- 1:10:20Speaker 3: is Tucker, yes, once more before we die. Totally Tucker.
- 1:10:25Speaker 3: Totally Tucker. Yeah, me and the boy, me and the
- 1:10:28Speaker 3: boy were running this October 92, almost daily. Yep, sure were.
- 1:10:34Speaker 3: But we are having, having a good time.
- 1:10:38Speaker 2: Dandy ends up being adopted by Nancy from the public
- 1:10:41Speaker 2: defender's office. who told Iwu that the dog picked up
- 1:10:44Speaker 2: some disturbing habits in his travels with Hilton.
- 1:10:47Speaker 11: He would stalk people when we were walking. He would
- 1:10:50Speaker 11: get behind a tree, for instance, and he would watch people.
- 1:10:53Speaker 11: And I would tell him, we're not doing that. We're
- 1:10:55Speaker 11: not doing that anymore. We're not doing that. Come on,
- 1:10:57Speaker 11: we're not doing that anymore.
- 1:10:58Speaker 2: After letting Meredith's dog free and coming, Hilton realized that
- 1:11:02Speaker 2: he was a wanted man.
- 1:11:03Speaker 1: If I had bought a paper that morning on Friday
- 1:11:06Speaker 1: instead of that afternoon, she would have been alive. Because
- 1:11:10Speaker 1: there they had my pictures on the front page, a
- 1:11:12Speaker 1: color picture on the front page of the AJC, looking
- 1:11:16Speaker 1: for me and everything. I wouldn't have killed her. I mean,
- 1:11:19Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, no.
- 1:11:20Speaker 2: Hilton was arrested only a few hours later at the
- 1:11:22Speaker 2: Chevron in DeKalb County. But while the manhunt was finished,
- 1:11:26Speaker 2: the story was far from over.
- 1:11:28Speaker 10: Was this difficult for you at all to do this?
- 1:11:33Speaker 19: As far as take her life, was it difficult at all?
- 1:11:38Speaker 3: I mean, do.
- 1:11:41Speaker 19: You have feelings one way or the other about it,
- 1:11:42Speaker 19: or you just needed her for a necessity for you?
- 1:11:46Speaker 3: No, no. But it was like an out-of-body experience. Okay.
- 1:11:52Speaker 3: It was surrealistic. Of course it's surrealistic. Removing a head
- 1:11:55Speaker 3: is just unreal. Right. Unreal. And, you know, you look
- 1:11:59Speaker 3: back on it and you say, that wasn't even real.
- 1:12:03Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. I was just in...
- 1:12:07Speaker 3: You might say an altered state. I just don't know.
- 1:12:10Speaker 3: It was hard. Okay. It was hard. Okay. It was hard.
- 1:12:15Speaker 3: You've got to remember, we had spent several good days together, actually. Right, right. Actually,
- 1:12:21Speaker 3: she did not have an unpleasant time.
- 1:12:24Speaker 2: But Hilton says that he knew from the beginning how
- 1:12:26Speaker 2: Meredith's story would end.
- 1:12:28Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you right now, there was never
- 1:12:31Speaker 3: any plan to let her go. Okay. I knew that
- 1:12:34Speaker 3: if I let her go, I would be instantly ID'd.
- 1:12:38Speaker 1: Once you've done it, you're either going to kill her
- 1:12:40Speaker 1: or get caught. There's no other solution. It's not that,
- 1:12:44Speaker 1: you know. And if that sounds cold and cruel, yeah,
- 1:12:47Speaker 1: it was.
- 1:12:48Speaker 2: Hilton's confession is thorough, but it comes at a high price.
- 1:12:52Speaker 2: They agree to take the death penalty off the table
- 1:12:54Speaker 2: in exchange for Hilton's guilty plea, his full confession, and
- 1:12:58Speaker 2: one final piece of information they need to bring closure
- 1:13:01Speaker 2: to this horrific case.
- 1:13:03Speaker 9: What I'd like to do is let you know, uh,
- 1:13:07Speaker 9: Tell us where the body is and try to direct
- 1:13:11Speaker 9: us to it the best you can because it's very
- 1:13:14Speaker 9: important that we locate the body as soon as we
- 1:13:16Speaker 9: can this evening.
- 1:13:17Speaker 2: Hilton points out the exact spot in Dawson Forest on
- 1:13:20Speaker 2: a map, but says the investigators may have a difficult
- 1:13:23Speaker 2: search ahead of them.
- 1:13:24Speaker 15: It's going to be a little harder to find. You're
- 1:13:25Speaker 15: going to need a dog for this, I believe.
- 1:13:27Speaker 1: Can you help us?
- 1:13:28Speaker 15: Well, I'll help you.
- 1:13:30Speaker 1: Okay.
- 1:13:31Speaker 15: It's uncomfortable for me to go there, though. But I understand.
- 1:13:34Speaker 1: I'm going to help you. I've got to help you.
- 1:13:36Speaker 2: Hilton overcomes his discomfort and leads the investigators to Meredith's body,
- 1:13:41Speaker 2: though they run into some minor complications on the drive.
- 1:13:52Speaker 2: It's an indication of how much publicity this case has gotten,
- 1:13:56Speaker 2: publicity that Hilton is only too aware of.
- 1:13:58Speaker 1: You are my God. I mean, I've read a little
- 1:14:03Speaker 1: of the news that my lawyers brought me a little bit,
- 1:14:06Speaker 1: but I don't really want to read it. They don't
- 1:14:12Speaker 1: understand that except for this rampage, I was the injured party.
- 1:14:17Speaker 1: I kid you not. And all of society trying to
- 1:14:20Speaker 1: get me in trouble.
- 1:14:21Speaker 18: If they had their way, they would tell lies to
- 1:14:23Speaker 18: the cop.
- 1:14:24Speaker 1: The cop would arrest me and send me to the penitentiary,
- 1:14:27Speaker 1: take my dog away, and ruin my life just because
- 1:14:29Speaker 1: they don't want to be wrong. Okay, it's as simple
- 1:14:33Speaker 1: as that. You talk about cruel and heartless, man. And
- 1:14:37Speaker 1: you talk about, you know, hey, kill. You know, you
- 1:14:40Speaker 1: start getting that thing, you know, you're just raising in society.
- 1:14:43Speaker 2: Hilton may be disgruntled with some of the coverage, but
- 1:14:45Speaker 2: he also seems to take a certain pride in it.
- 1:14:48Speaker 2: Such as when he recounts how he handled the perp walk.
- 1:14:51Speaker 1: Did you see the way we, did you see it
- 1:14:54Speaker 1: on TV? Oh yeah, running. I'm the one that wants
- 1:14:56Speaker 1: to do that. You see, I was going, I was
- 1:14:57Speaker 1: leading them. And they'll open that door, another one open
- 1:15:00Speaker 1: that door, and I'm the one that just dives in
- 1:15:03Speaker 1: head first, you know, kind of.
- 1:15:05Speaker 18: Like a Hollywood celebrity that's been bad and now is
- 1:15:08Speaker 18: trying to do, you see what I mean?
- 1:15:11Speaker 1: The more you limit it, the bigger demand it makes. Now,
- 1:15:14Speaker 1: if I'd have come walking out like Eric Rudolph, that
- 1:15:16Speaker 1: is said, he's a smug.
- 1:15:18Speaker 3: As all he is.
- 1:15:19Speaker 1: But when I come, right, it is.
- 1:15:22Speaker 18: But, you know, when I come running out there and
- 1:15:23Speaker 18: then dive into the car wearing the vest, it's a mystique.
- 1:15:27Speaker 2: The cops send the press gathered near Dawson Forest away,
- 1:15:31Speaker 2: and Hilton takes the investigators to the exact location of
- 1:15:34Speaker 2: Meredith's body, only to reveal that he placed her head
- 1:15:37Speaker 2: and clothing in a separate area down the road.
- 1:15:40Speaker 25: As we walk, I'm going to ask you a couple
- 1:15:42Speaker 25: more things, okay, if you don't mind. You said that
- 1:15:44Speaker 25: there was one sexual encounter.
- 1:15:46Speaker 3: Yeah. Was that the only one?
- 1:15:48Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:15:49Speaker 19: There wasn't anything post-mortem, right?
- 1:15:51Speaker 3: No. Okay.
- 1:15:52Speaker 2: Meredith Emerson's autopsy reveals a wide range of serious injuries
- 1:15:56Speaker 2: consistent with Hilton's story. In addition to post-mortem chemical burns
- 1:16:00Speaker 2: from the bleach, the medical examiner finds contusions and several
- 1:16:04Speaker 2: broken bones. It's determined that she died of massive crushing
- 1:16:07Speaker 2: head injuries, having been struck at least 19 times with
- 1:16:11Speaker 2: a blunt instrument. At the site of her body in
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: Dawson Forest, Hilton is asked one last question.
- 1:16:17Speaker 19: Is this the first time you've ever done anything like
- 1:16:19Speaker 19: this before?
- 1:16:21Speaker 2: Hilton's lawyer advises him not to answer, but soon enough
- 1:16:24Speaker 2: investigators will know the truth. Hilton's reign of terror didn't
- 1:16:27Speaker 2: begin with Meredith Emerson or even with Cheryl Dunlap in Florida.
- 1:16:32Speaker 23: A federal investigation will reveal that on October 21, 2007.
- 1:16:47Speaker 2: A retired couple visiting Pisgah National Forest in North Carolina
- 1:16:51Speaker 2: had the misfortune of running into Gary Hilton. In a
- 1:16:54Speaker 2: recent interview, Hilton said that he spotted John and Irene
- 1:16:57Speaker 2: Bryant as they got out of their car, accosted them,
- 1:17:00Speaker 2: and demanded their credit cards. When John Bryant refused, Hilton
- 1:17:04Speaker 2: says he beat him with his police baton and pepper
- 1:17:06Speaker 2: sprayed him. Irene tried to then attack Hilton with her
- 1:17:09Speaker 2: walking stick, and he knocked her to the ground with
- 1:17:12Speaker 2: the baton as well, and ultimately murdered her right there
- 1:17:15Speaker 2: in the forest. Her body was discovered a month later,
- 1:17:19Speaker 2: but John's whereabouts remained a mystery for months.
- 1:17:22Speaker 1: My attorney has informed me this morning that they have
- 1:17:24Speaker 1: found the body, a body in North Carolina. They found
- 1:17:28Speaker 1: the skull and a pelvis, and it's off of Old
- 1:17:30Speaker 1: Murphy Road, and it's on Forest Service Road. And they
- 1:17:35Speaker 1: found the body, so maybe he's no longer missing.
- 1:17:39Speaker 2: After kidnapping John Bryant and getting $ 300 out of his
- 1:17:42Speaker 2: bank account, Hilton drove him to the Nantahala National Forest.
- 1:17:46Speaker 2: and shot him in the head.
- 1:17:47Speaker 21: The authorities aren't able to precisely put his death on
- 1:17:50Speaker 21: an exact date, but it happened relatively quickly because Hilton
- 1:17:55Speaker 21: was alone five days after the Bryants vanished.
- 1:18:14Speaker 2: When that Cherokee County deputy rolled up on the afternoon
- 1:18:17Speaker 2: of October 26th.
- 1:18:19Speaker 4: What you doing out here?
- 1:18:20Speaker 5: Well, you're the fourth person to come along.
- 1:18:24Speaker 3: Am I?
- 1:18:25Speaker 4: And ask me that. If there's deer.
- 1:18:27Speaker 5: Hunters around, I can be wearing a purple shirt, that
- 1:18:30Speaker 5: red backpack, and they're going to tell me I'm going
- 1:18:33Speaker 5: to get shot.
- 1:18:33Speaker 4: But, you know, that's a common threat. They're very particular.
- 1:18:37Speaker 4: I understand. Can I get your ID real quick? Yeah,
- 1:18:40Speaker 4: you sure can. And it's in a.
- 1:18:43Speaker 4: You see that fanny pack right there? Is there any
- 1:18:45Speaker 4: weapons in that fanny pack? Absolutely not, and I'm going
- 1:18:48Speaker 4: to bring it to you.
- 1:18:49Speaker 18: Okay.
- 1:18:50Speaker 19: So are you a hiker or long-distance camper or hiker?
- 1:18:55Speaker 3: Hiker.
- 1:18:56Speaker 4: I love the walls, though. Hey, check it out, man.
- 1:18:59Speaker 4: Do you need anything else here?
- 1:19:01Speaker 3: No, I'm just going to run this.
- 1:19:02Speaker 20: Make sure nobody wants you, and then probably just pay
- 1:19:04Speaker 20: to get your stuff and get out of here.
- 1:19:05Speaker 4: I'm trying.
- 1:19:06Speaker 3: I'm trying.
- 1:19:07Speaker 4: I'm trying. I'm just.
- 1:19:08Speaker 3: Watch it. You want to finish backing up doing what
- 1:19:10Speaker 3: you're getting your stuff together? I'm going to go run
- 1:19:11Speaker 3: this real quick, and then I'll let you get out
- 1:19:13Speaker 3: of here.
- 1:19:15Speaker 4: Get away from him.
- 1:19:16Speaker 1: I know, you know, police officers.
- 1:19:19Speaker 4: Oh, no, I'm fine. If she was going to do something,
- 1:19:22Speaker 4: she would have already done it, and she's... I just
- 1:19:24Speaker 4: hesitate to break the law standing in front of a
- 1:19:27Speaker 4: police officer. He's not on the list.
- 1:19:29Speaker 24: Mr.
- 1:19:30Speaker 4: Hilton, nobody wants you.
- 1:19:32Speaker 5: Well, if they do, it's popped up in the last
- 1:19:35Speaker 5: six hours or whatever.
- 1:19:37Speaker 1: Right.
- 1:19:38Speaker 4: Twelve hours because they were running me on 20 thinking
- 1:19:40Speaker 4: I'm drunk. Now they're in here thinking I'm going to
- 1:19:42Speaker 4: take one of their deer.
- 1:19:44Speaker 2: Because Gary's crimes took place on National Forest land, he's
- 1:19:48Speaker 2: in danger of federal prosecution, a risk he brought up
- 1:19:51Speaker 2: several times when talking to Georgia investigators.
- 1:19:54Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to dig my heels in. I don't
- 1:19:56Speaker 1: want federal custody. They're going to send me to supermax.
- 1:19:59Speaker 1: I just know they are. So it's where they send
- 1:20:01Speaker 1: the notorious, infamous people. That's kind of my super maxim.
- 1:20:06Speaker 23: Well, I mean, it's debatable on who calls you notorious
- 1:20:13Speaker 23: and who calls you, you know, just.
- 1:20:17Speaker 1: A mad guy.
- 1:20:18Speaker 2: Hilton's guilty plea in the Meredith Emerson case sends the
- 1:20:21Speaker 2: wheels of justice spinning rapidly. He's sentenced to life in
- 1:20:25Speaker 2: prison for the murder on January 31, 2008, less than
- 1:20:27Speaker 2: a month after his arrest.
- 1:20:30Speaker 1: When you're going out to kill somebody, if you're seen
- 1:20:36Speaker 1: by a single other person on the trail, then that
- 1:20:41Speaker 1: day's screwed. But when you procrastinate because you don't want
- 1:20:45Speaker 1: to get up and kill someone, and you let it
- 1:20:49Speaker 1: go and you say, I won't kill anyone today. We'll
- 1:20:52Speaker 1: just go hiking with my dog and have fun. We're
- 1:20:56Speaker 1: doomed anyways. And so you get down to the point where, well,
- 1:21:01Speaker 1: it was like Meredith. I had $ 40 money and several
- 1:21:06Speaker 1: days' food. I was going to have to kill somebody
- 1:21:10Speaker 1: in that period of time. And when you get down
- 1:21:13Speaker 1: to the bitter end, you ignore all the rules you set.
- 1:21:16Speaker 1: Part of it is I'm curious. You know, as an artist,
- 1:21:22Speaker 1: and as a sociopath, if you're doing this, you would
- 1:21:24Speaker 1: like to select your victim's. On an artistic sense. But
- 1:21:30Speaker 1: when you get down, you procrastinate and yet someone's got
- 1:21:33Speaker 1: to fall.
- 1:21:34Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
- 1:21:35Speaker 1: But nevertheless, I want to know them and to see what,
- 1:21:39Speaker 1: you know, who I have got rather than just a
- 1:21:42Speaker 1: faceless person you're going to kill. Again, I'm remorseful over
- 1:21:46Speaker 1: Meredith because just for the fact that if nothing else,
- 1:21:49Speaker 1: she drove a Chevy Cavalier. I can't tell you how
- 1:21:53Speaker 1: much I respect that. Why is that? Why, yep, he's
- 1:21:56Speaker 1: going to drive a little cheap white Chevy Cavalier. I
- 1:21:59Speaker 1: asked her why. She told me that it's sensible reasons
- 1:22:02Speaker 1: and everything. I respected her to no end for that.
- 1:22:06Speaker 1: She didn't have a brain in her head, but hey,
- 1:22:08Speaker 1: neither do you either. And sure, her life was just stupid,
- 1:22:13Speaker 1: but the thing is, it was full, and she was
- 1:22:17Speaker 1: happy at it.
- 1:22:18Speaker 2: Hilton was indicted in federal court for the murders of
- 1:22:20Speaker 2: John and Irene Bryant in 2011, and he ultimately pled guilty.
- 1:22:25Speaker 2: He received four consecutive life sentences in 2013. Listen, there's
- 1:22:29Speaker 2: no way.
- 1:22:30Speaker 1: I can make it on the outside. I've told you before,
- 1:22:32Speaker 1: I'd have to turn right around, walk back in here.
- 1:22:34Speaker 1: I'd have no place to go, nothing to do.
- 1:22:37Speaker 2: But there's one more murder for which Hilton is being prosecuted,
- 1:22:40Speaker 2: and the district attorney in Leon County, Florida, is determined
- 1:22:43Speaker 2: to get justice for the death of Cheryl Dunlap.
- 1:22:46Speaker 1: But you tell them I'll fight it all away, and
- 1:22:48Speaker 1: if they want to spend $ 10 million.
- 1:22:50Speaker 24: To try to execute a man who's not going to
- 1:22:52Speaker 24: live long to get executed, hey, just bring it the
- 1:22:55Speaker 24: hell up.
- 1:22:55Speaker 15: But I ain't going to lay down for it.
- 1:22:57Speaker 2: Hilton pleads not guilty in Florida, which means he will
- 1:23:00Speaker 2: go before a jury for the first time. And in
- 1:23:03Speaker 2: addition to hearing the physical and circumstantial evidence tying Hilton
- 1:23:06Speaker 2: to Cheryl's murder, they will hear from Hilton himself in
- 1:23:10Speaker 2: the form of the recordings he made with Dandy.
- 1:23:13Speaker 3: I've gained 20 pounds in three months, three or four months.
- 1:23:33Speaker 2: But it's not Hilton's seeming attempt at a video blog
- 1:23:35Speaker 2: that prosecutors want the jury to see. It's a recording
- 1:23:38Speaker 2: from December 3rd, 2007, only two days after Cheryl Dunlap
- 1:23:43Speaker 2: went missing.
- 1:23:44Speaker 3: You got one there? The jurors also hear mention of
- 1:23:53Speaker 3: a man named Samuel Rayl.
- 1:24:18Speaker 2: Who was Hilton's lawyer and friend in the 1980s. Rao
- 1:24:22Speaker 2: told Florida investigators that Hilton had been an advisor on
- 1:24:25Speaker 2: a low-budget thriller he produced called Deadly Run. Hilton, he said,
- 1:24:29Speaker 2: was the one who came up with the movie's premise,
- 1:24:31Speaker 2: a serial killer who releases women into the woods so
- 1:24:34Speaker 2: he can hunt them down and kill them like prey.
- 1:24:37Speaker 2: Despite all this, Hilton appears to be confident about his
- 1:24:40Speaker 2: chances when he spoke to another prisoner in the Leon
- 1:24:43Speaker 2: County Jail.
- 1:24:43Speaker 20: This man here, the guy chopped a woman up, Killed
- 1:24:47Speaker 20: her dog up in Georgia and all that too, ain't you?
- 1:24:49Speaker 20: She said, yeah. I mean, crazy or what? I said, no,
- 1:24:52Speaker 20: not crazy. I looked at her and gave her that
- 1:24:54Speaker 20: little evil grin. I said, you're going to play it crazy,
- 1:24:56Speaker 20: aren't you?
- 1:24:56Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:24:58Speaker 2: But the evidence against Hilton is powerful. Investigators have found
- 1:25:02Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap's DNA in Hilton's van, and while they were
- 1:25:05Speaker 2: never able to positively identify the bone fragments from the
- 1:25:08Speaker 2: burn pit, they discover a cigarette butt at the campsite
- 1:25:11Speaker 2: with Hilton's DNA. The jury's decision is unanimous. In April 2011,
- 1:25:17Speaker 2: Gary Michael Hilton was found guilty of first-degree murder, kidnapping,
- 1:25:21Speaker 2: and grand theft. In a 2025 interview, Hilton confessed to
- 1:25:25Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap's murder for the first time, saying he abducted
- 1:25:29Speaker 2: her off the trails in Leon Sink's Geological Park because
- 1:25:32Speaker 2: he was running low on food. After running her ATM
- 1:25:35Speaker 2: card several times over the coming days, he ended her
- 1:25:39Speaker 2: life with a gunshot to the back of the head.
- 1:25:42Speaker 2: the judge hands him the one sentence he's been trying
- 1:25:44Speaker 2: desperately to avoid, death. Today, almost 20 years after what
- 1:25:50Speaker 2: he calls his rampage, Hilton awaits execution at Union Correctional
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