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Vikings Tailgate: Quarterback Jim McMahon Remembers The Legendary Super Bowl Shuffle and Refrigerator Perry's Athleticism - CHI - Ep 72 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: schedule and details. Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Vikings Tailgate brought to you by Ticketmaster, the
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  Speaker 1: official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings. Chad's with me again.
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  Speaker 1: Our goal this season is just to make this show
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  Speaker 1: a hangout, like a real tailgate. So we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get some cool guests. And boy, oh boy. Chicago versus
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings and we have the great Jim McMahon. He
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  Speaker 1: gave us... A little bit of time. Chad and I
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  Speaker 1: asked him a bunch of insane questions as fans. We're
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  Speaker 1: not good at being real football interviewers, but it was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I think you're really going to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy this one, guys. Let's get into it, and let's
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  Speaker 1: get into our conversation with Jim McMahon.
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  Speaker 2: Boom! I'm hot today.
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  Speaker 3: Wreck it. Wreck it. That's a bad man.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, baby.
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  Speaker 3: Turn me up. Yeah. Touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of The Tailgate,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. I'm Cy Amundsen, he's Chad Daniels. We
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We got a fun one today.
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  Speaker 1: We got the great Jim McMahon joining us in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Letting us ask him questions about... Our childhood joys. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait. I got a fridge question. I know
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  Speaker 1: you got a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I got to tell him something about the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl shuffle, too.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be all the fun. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: a couple things here, and then we'll jump on the
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  Speaker 1: phone with Jim. Bears this week coming off. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's been over-talked by this point, but absurd, absurd win
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  Speaker 1: to start the season. You were there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. It was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're not supposed to look backwards,
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  Speaker 2: but I will just tell you there were several Packer
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  Speaker 2: fans that were very loud early and then they were
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  Speaker 2: gone with about seven minutes left, no longer sitting in
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  Speaker 2: their seats.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I'm curious because you were in
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  Speaker 1: the building and I think this is relevant looking back
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  Speaker 1: and looking forward, you know, Justin Jefferson matches his touchdown
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  Speaker 1: total from last year, eight catches, 92 yards. But Beyond
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff, I thought it was really interesting
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  Speaker 1: to watch his body language. Even on TV, you could
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  Speaker 1: just see his emotion, where he kept it together so
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  Speaker 1: well last year, and it was just leaking out of
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  Speaker 1: him in this game.
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  Speaker 2: He was excited.
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  Speaker 1: He was going nuts. And then after that touchdown, and
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  Speaker 1: then they gave up the drive to end the half,
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  Speaker 1: he was slumped, just so disappointed. I just felt like
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  Speaker 1: throughout that game, he was the beating soul of almost
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  Speaker 1: of the state on the field everywhere. Absolutely. Did it
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  Speaker 1: feel that way in the stadium?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it did.
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  Speaker 2: And it, and it was really interesting that here's something
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  Speaker 2: that he never forgot is where the camera's going to
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  Speaker 2: be right when he scores a touchdown, because he would
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  Speaker 2: pop up off the ground and immediately be showing his
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  Speaker 2: grill into a camera. It was so fantastic. And everyone
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  Speaker 2: in the crowd was like, yeah, finally, like we're cheering
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  Speaker 2: for him to succeed because he's so good. It was just,
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  Speaker 2: the energy was awesome. You know, I will tell you this.
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  Speaker 2: I called a pick before the game and I called
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  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz three touchdowns. Not before the game, obviously, that
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  Speaker 2: would be crazy. But once he went in, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I got him for three. And it was just, it was,
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  Speaker 2: everything felt good. I will tell you, we went down
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  Speaker 2: to the stadium. We, I got too close. That's my fault.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, we're never going to find a parking spot.
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  Speaker 2: And then we're at a red light and literally I
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  Speaker 2: look over and there is a parking spot to the right.
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  Speaker 2: All I have to do is hit reverse and do
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  Speaker 2: the most perfect parallel park you've ever seen in your life.
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  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden we're walking to the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: So I go, this is a great omen. Let's get
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  Speaker 2: in there. Let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the good omen took a long time
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  Speaker 1: to come to fruition. And it's, well, before I say that,
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  Speaker 1: one more thing on Jefferson, uh, it kind of reminds
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  Speaker 1: me the way, because it's interesting to hear you say
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  Speaker 1: they had him on the big screen all the time
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  Speaker 1: so you could see it in the stadium the way
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  Speaker 1: we could see it at home, which makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: like he does have a bit of WWE to him
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  Speaker 1: where he truly understands, like not only is he top
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  Speaker 1: of the league elite guy, but he understands how to
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  Speaker 1: be the giant entertainment factor that is the headliner for
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  Speaker 1: an organization and That's what I saw. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: you might as well give this dude his own theme
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  Speaker 1: music the way that game went. Let's start the first
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  Speaker 1: quarter and midway into our first drive, you just hear
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  Speaker 1: somebody go, by God, is that Justin Jefferson's theme music?
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  Speaker 1: And he comes out of the tunnel late, runs right
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  Speaker 1: up to the line because we only have 10 guys
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  Speaker 1: on the field. Everybody's freaking out. They snap it and
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  Speaker 1: immediately go deep to him. He has a cool WWE
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  Speaker 1: energy right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's no question. And it is, I mean, for
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  Speaker 2: as long as the season must have been for him
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  Speaker 2: last year, he was right in it and just giving
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  Speaker 2: the fans what he knew we needed. And it, man,
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  Speaker 2: what an absolute gem of a game.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like Groundhog's Day situation, though, where last year, right,
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  Speaker 1: week one, really tough game almost all the way through
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  Speaker 1: its entirety. Then this unbelievable end. ever like I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 1: like running around making proclamations about the future of the
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  Speaker 1: organization that are unhinged. Right. Then we go to the,
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  Speaker 1: we go to Atlanta and we come back down to
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  Speaker 1: earth and the rest of the season goes the way
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  Speaker 1: it went. Now this year, same thing through two and
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  Speaker 1: a half, three quarters. You're like, man, I just, we
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  Speaker 1: just can't get it. We're not, it's hard to get
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  Speaker 1: over the hump. Unbelievable end. Now, you walk into a
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  Speaker 1: much tougher week to opponent in the bears and a, right. A,
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  Speaker 1: a larger potential reality check, but I'm really bullish on
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  Speaker 1: this year as opposed to last. There are some things
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  Speaker 1: that I saw in that game that make me, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be a really hard match, right? Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but of course I'm very interested in seeing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which side of last game, is a more
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  Speaker 1: realistic indication of who this team is. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a really cool challenge that it's like, well, this is,
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  Speaker 1: you get to see that against a team that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people think is in the Super Bowl mix
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  Speaker 1: in the NFC.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just kept saying we need to
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  Speaker 2: get the jitters out. It just that's what it felt like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because preseason, you don't want people to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: You're not playing your starters a lot. So really, this
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  Speaker 2: is like the first time they're going and taking big swings.
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  Speaker 2: And It took that one play of the free play
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  Speaker 2: where Wentz went deep and Jefferson made that huge catch.
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  Speaker 2: And then now all of a sudden you have the defense,
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  Speaker 2: you have Van Ginkle and you have Turner, and they
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  Speaker 2: are just figuring out which hole to hit to hit
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback and pressure the quarterback and cause fumbles and
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff. And you could see it. And so
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  Speaker 2: now you go with that momentum going into Chicago, right?
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  Speaker 2: If you take the first The first half and the
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  Speaker 2: first half of the third quarter of the last game,
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  Speaker 2: and you send that team to Chicago, you go, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But now you have all this momentum
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  Speaker 2: of people making the right decision, and now they're taking
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  Speaker 2: the chances that they needed to take. I am very
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  Speaker 2: excited and very positive about them going into Soldier Field.
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  Speaker 1: I have one Brian Flores take that I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: give you in the game preview that I'm really excited
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  Speaker 1: about to see if I can get you on board
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  Speaker 1: with it. I'm calling it, it's a theory that I'm
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  Speaker 1: developing today. But sweet Chad, before we get into our.
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  Speaker 2: Game preview, I am so excited.
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  Speaker 1: We are fortunate enough right now to be joined on
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  Speaker 1: the line here on the tailgate by the great Jim McMahon. Jim,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great day, man. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem. I'm just starting my day. I'm out
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  Speaker 3: on the West Coast or actually in Nevada. So just
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  Speaker 3: starting out.
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  Speaker 1: I got to ask you, for a guy who played
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  Speaker 1: such incredible football, for the bears and who had such
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  Speaker 1: a great season for us here with the Vikings. What does,
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  Speaker 1: what does this week look like where the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the two teams that you spent, you know, significant moments
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  Speaker 1: with play one another.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know the Vikings were always, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: I was with the bears and, you know, we, we
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  Speaker 3: had to beat the Vikings. You had to beat the
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  Speaker 3: Packers in order to win that division. And when I
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  Speaker 3: was with the Vikings, the same thing, you had to
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  Speaker 3: beat the bears. You had to beat the Packers. And
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  Speaker 3: so I'm sure they're, They're gearing up and taking this
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  Speaker 3: pretty serious.
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  Speaker 2: Jim, I remember watching a game. It was the Thursday
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  Speaker 2: night edition of Monday Night Football. You have back injuries
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  Speaker 2: all week or back problems all week. You talk Dick
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  Speaker 2: into coming in, and you end up throwing three touchdowns
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  Speaker 2: in seven minutes to beat the Vikings. I have to
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  Speaker 2: tell you, I'm a Vikings fan, but it was interesting
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  Speaker 2: watching other Vikings fans that week because they just had
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  Speaker 2: dead eyes. eyes after that whooping.
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  Speaker 3: It kind of worked out pretty well. I mean, Dick
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  Speaker 3: was sure that I was not going to play. He
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  Speaker 3: had told me that the day before. I was in
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  Speaker 3: the hospital in traction on Monday and Tuesday. I got
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  Speaker 3: out of the hospital on Wednesday. I went to practice.
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  Speaker 3: And Dick has said, oh, you're not going to play.
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  Speaker 3: And so we get to Minnesota that night. And then
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  Speaker 3: the night of the game, I came out and I
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  Speaker 3: was in pregame warmups. I was throwing the hell out
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  Speaker 3: of the ball. And I told Mike, I said, look,
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  Speaker 3: if you need me, I can play. And he said, no,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't practice. Get out of here. You're not playing.
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  Speaker 3: And so the way that game was going, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we were not doing anything. I mean, Tommy Kramer was
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  Speaker 3: having a good night. He had him up a couple touchdowns,
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  Speaker 3: and I kept telling Mike, look, he better put me
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  Speaker 3: in the game. We're going to lose. We just weren't
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  Speaker 3: the same team. I was watching our guys come off
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  Speaker 3: the sidelines, and we were just not the same team
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  Speaker 3: that we were the first two weeks. And we just
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  Speaker 3: needed some kind of a spark. I mean, Steve Fuller
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  Speaker 3: was not playing badly. It was just nothing was going on.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm convinced to this day the only reason he
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  Speaker 3: put me in the game was to get him out
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  Speaker 3: of his face because I was bugging the hell out
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  Speaker 3: of him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the first play that I'm in, he gave
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  Speaker 3: me a call, which was supposed to be a screen
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  Speaker 3: pass to our fullback off to the left. And I
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  Speaker 3: actually called the play. I said, you know, I called
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  Speaker 3: the screen. And then they came with an all-out blitz.
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  Speaker 3: And I almost fell on my face, you know, coming
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  Speaker 3: out from under the center. So I was a little wobbly.
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  Speaker 3: And so when I read my balance– and planted my foot,
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  Speaker 3: I just happened to look downfield and Willie was just
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  Speaker 3: running his, he was just doing his job, running his
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  Speaker 3: guy off because that's what you do on a screen,
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  Speaker 3: take them deep. And he was 10 yards past his
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  Speaker 3: guy and I just let it go. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we scored and then we got the ball right back.
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  Speaker 3: And then the next play was a bootleg and I'm
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  Speaker 3: supposed to hit the back in the flat of the
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  Speaker 3: tight end coming across the middle. And I had the back.
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  Speaker 3: I had Walter open early, but I got a little greedy.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, I think if I wait just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, I know I'm going to have my off receiver,
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  Speaker 3: Dennis McKinnon, replace the weak safety. Because I used to
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  Speaker 3: tell Dennis all the time, look, the only guy that
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  Speaker 3: can stop this play is the weak safety if he
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  Speaker 3: jumps the tight end. And that's what happened. He jumped
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  Speaker 3: the tight end. And I never even saw Dennis. I
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  Speaker 3: just knew he'd be there and threw it up. And
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  Speaker 3: he was there and he scored again. And then the
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  Speaker 3: other one a couple minutes later was just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had, it was a, I think it was a
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  Speaker 3: drop back pass. And I just kind of scooted out
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  Speaker 3: to the left. I was getting pressure from the left side,
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  Speaker 3: got around him and looked downfield. And there was Dennis
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  Speaker 3: again behind his guy. And I threw it and the
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  Speaker 3: rest was history. But yeah, that night worked out pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've been lucky to spend a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: time with Fran Tarkenton and a little time with Brett Favre. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, both those guys have that same thing in
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  Speaker 1: them that you just described, which is I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Like when the game turns on, however I felt, I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel anymore. Put me in, put me in, put
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  Speaker 1: me in. Like, how did that come to be? Because
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of famous for that. You played through a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Like, do you think you just had
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  Speaker 1: a high pain tolerance? Do you think it was uber
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  Speaker 1: competitive nature? What was that mentality and where did it
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  Speaker 1: come from?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was definitely, I've got a high pain tolerance.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've, I've been having a lot of pain
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  Speaker 3: since my early childhood. So I'm kind of used to it. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but game day comes, I want to play. I hated practice,
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  Speaker 3: never did like practice. Uh, it's just not the same.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, it's like in golf out there, guys out
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  Speaker 3: hitting balls all day long. You know, I said, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter how many balls you hit. If you can't
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  Speaker 3: hit it, you know, when you tee it up. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I've always just, I've been looking forward to games and
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  Speaker 3: I want to play.
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  Speaker 2: Well, after that night, I will tell you that a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of kids in northern Minnesota showed up to football
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  Speaker 2: practice with headbands on because we were just blown away
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  Speaker 2: by that performance.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was a great night. I mean, it worked
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  Speaker 3: out great anyway. But yeah, that was fun.
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  Speaker 1: You and Ditka seemed to have a fun but complicated
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  Speaker 1: relationship over the years. And Ditka always said football should
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  Speaker 1: be played on grass, right? and the Metrodome should be
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  Speaker 1: used for a roller skating rink, right? I think he
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  Speaker 1: had a certain way of looking at the game, and
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  Speaker 1: you had a certain way of looking at the game.
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  Speaker 1: What was that relationship at its core like, especially when
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  Speaker 1: you guys were at the height of your height?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was bored to death with that offense because
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  Speaker 3: I had just come from Brigham Young where I got
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  Speaker 3: to throw it 35 times and a half. When I
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  Speaker 3: was with Chicago, it took me like two or three
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  Speaker 3: games to throw it 35 times. And so I was
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  Speaker 3: really bored to death. We just had a different opinion
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  Speaker 3: on how to get things done. He wanted to run
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  Speaker 3: the ball, control the clock. I said, we can do
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  Speaker 3: that by throwing the ball as well. Why can't I
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  Speaker 3: throw Walter the ball from seven yards around? Because I
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  Speaker 3: can tell what the defense is doing to me. And
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  Speaker 3: if I saw man-to-man, I said, why can't I just
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  Speaker 3: audible to a little halfback options route? There's not a
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  Speaker 3: linebacker in the league that can cover Walter. And he said, no,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to run the ball. We're going to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so we, we clashed the whole seven years that I
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  Speaker 3: was there because of the, the way the offense was
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  Speaker 3: and the way he liked to call plays.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Mike, I told him many times, I
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  Speaker 3: would have loved to play with him because he was
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  Speaker 3: a great football player, played the game the way it's
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be played. It was a great tight end. And,
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  Speaker 3: but I said, you know, I just don't, I don't
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  Speaker 3: understand why you, you want to beat your head against
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  Speaker 3: the wall when you don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So, so, Playing for a team like Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: there's all these expectations from the fans and everything. Did
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  Speaker 2: you ever feel like there was a moment where that
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  Speaker 2: got out of hand for you?
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  Speaker 3: What got out of hand?
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  Speaker 2: The pressure and the expectations from everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't worry about pressure. Pressure's for tires. You're out
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  Speaker 3: there playing a game. I knew what I was capable of.
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  Speaker 3: I knew what our guys were capable of. Our guys,
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  Speaker 3: especially my line, they understood that I understood the game.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't doing things just to piss off
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  Speaker 3: Mike Ditka. I was trying to win football games. You know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: and Mike, like I said, he was a tight end,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: but that's how he called plays, like a tight end.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: He had no idea how to, you know, set up
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the runs and the passes. You don't run a play-action
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: pass without running the play first. I mean, you've got
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to set things up. And so, you know, I didn't
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: care if he was going to be mad at me
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: or not. You know, we're winning the game. That's all
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I worried about.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, you had such a highly decorated college career.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You mentioned it at BYU. And then, you know, you
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: were such a high profile guy on one of the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: flashiest teams in NFL history. Like, where did that kind
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: of outward persona come from? Where did that like character
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: that you brought, not just the skills that you had,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: but kind of the charm and liveliness you brought to
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the field's most important position? Where did that come from?
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I always like to have fun. No matter what I'm doing,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I want to have a good time doing it. Why
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: do it if you can't have any fun at it?
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Being in our practices and our meetings, they were not fun.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I try to do things to make guys laugh and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: take some pressure off of them. It kind of worked.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, were you guys kind of a yin and yang
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: in that way, where you think about the Herb Brooks
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: teams and some of these other things? With the structure,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it's almost like as much structure as Ditka brought, you
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: were the guy that brought the joy and the fun,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and that probably balanced things out for all the other guys.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I know they all kind of enjoyed Mike being
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: mad at me. Because they knew I didn't care. I mean,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: if he's going to be mad at me, fine. you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: if you don't want me to hear trade me. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: eventually they did. We had a good, we had a
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: good five year run before they got rid of me.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: You guys were a very flashy team. You think about
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the Superbowl shuffle was, did you guys push back on
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: that at all? Or did you embrace it and just
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: really go into that video shoot loving it?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't go to the video shoot.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: What happened was they came to us with this idea
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: that we're going to do this record, right? That's all
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: they told us. We're going to make a record. And
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: then the proceeds would feed the homeless on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Cause we did this thing with, I think with four
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: games left in the season. And so we thought it
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: would be a good thing for Chicago. You know, we
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: just thought it was going to be a local thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And then as soon as we all did our speaking parts,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, it went nationwide and then they did end
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: up taping the video the day after we lost our
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: only game that year, you know, we lose down in
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Miami on a Monday night. We get home at three
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: or four in the morning, something like that. And the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: guys had to be at the studio at eight or
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: nine in the morning. They were there, I think, for
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: 10 hours. But Walter Payton and I both told him, look,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that wasn't the deal. He said, we're going to make
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a record. That's what we did. And so him and
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't go to the video shoot. And so about
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a week after they did the video, the people in
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: charge came to us and said, if you don't do
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: your parts, we're going to sue you. I said, this
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be a charity thing, and you're going
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: to sue us? I mean, this is ridiculous. And so
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Walter and I had to do our parts after practice.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: one day in the racquetball court at house hall. So
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: what you saw up there was a couple of pissed
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: off guys doing whatever we did. And then, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it went, it went crazy.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, we, you know, we got a gold record, gold.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Record, a platinum video, and we lost the Grammy to
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Prince that year. So another Minnesota connection.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that's wild.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: What an all-time origin story. Think of how famous that
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: thing is in the lexicon of NFL media. And the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: fact that it was a rope-a-dope, that you guys got...
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You were told you were feeding the poor, and all
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of a sudden they had you dancing about the Super Bowl.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. I've never heard that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Well, what's really incredible is how long it lasted. Because
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: in 1991, I got beaten for a touchdown.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: On the field and the opposing quarterback came by me
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and said, I just throw my body all over the field.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I can't dance, but I can throw the pill. He
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: quoted you in Super Bowl Shuffle to rub it in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: my face. Unbelievable.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: People still talk about it everywhere I go.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: The song comes up and I mean, at the time,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I guess it was pretty cool.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. There are a lot of
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: things in the 80s that aged way worse than the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Shuffle. That is for sure. I got to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: ask you one more Superbowl question before I get your
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: quick thoughts on the game this week. The, the other
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: thing that, you know, is pretty unique in the lexicon
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of NFL history is handing the ball off to William,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the refrigerator Perry and letting him erupt into an end
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: zone or get it. Like where, where did that come from?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And again, Was there like an energy when all of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a sudden you saw him rumbling from the sideline into–
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I know you like to pass, but that's probably one
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of the most unique running plays in league history.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Well, that all came about because in 1984 in the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: NFC Championship game, I think with about five minutes left
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: in the game, Bill Walsh put Guy McIntyre, who was
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: their starting left guard, I think, in the backfield, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: they ran it down our throats for the last five minutes.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: And so the only reason that came about is Dick
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: had wanted to get back at Bill Walsh. And so
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: we went back out to San Francisco the very next year,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and we beat him up pretty good. And late in
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the game, here comes Fridge. And that was only just
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to kind of stick it to Bill. I think Fridge
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: got a yard or something on that play. But, I mean,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: he was actually a heck of an athlete. I mean,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: how do you tackle the guy? He was basically round.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: And he was huge. And he had a lot of pop.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, he could, the sound that it made when
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: he hit guys, I mean, it was incredible. And he
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: was a heck of an athlete. You know, I ended
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: up throwing him a touchdown pass up in Green Bay
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a few weeks later. Or maybe it might have been
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the following year. But yeah, he was a big part
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of the offense. And then in the super bowl, he
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: was supposed to even throw a pass. Really? Yeah. We actually,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: we actually called the play too. And, and when I,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: when I tossed him the ball, I'm looking at the
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: defense going, Oh God, don't don't throw it. Cause I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: going to have to go chase somebody for an interception.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: He did end up not throwing it and got, got
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: tackled for loss. But yeah, it became kind of a,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: kind of a zoo after that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: God, can you imagine if he'd have thrown a pass
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that was successful in the super bowl? Holy cow. The,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this football world would have gone insane.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But Fridge was a heck of an athlete.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: For sure. Let's, well, let's close on this. We really
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: appreciate your time, but, you know, and the walk down
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a memory lane is really fun. What do you think
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: looking forward instead of back? What do you, what do
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you think about this week? You know what they're doing
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in Chicago and, you know, with Caleb and Ben and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what the Vikings are walking into?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I know Chicago is doing great. They've got
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of talent. Caleb is a heck of a
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: talent as well. They put up a bunch of points.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't see any of the game, but I see
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: they put up a bunch of points last week. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: think Ben Johnson, he seems to be a heck of
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a coach. Guys like him. Guys like to play for him. So, yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: it should be a good season either way.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Well, Jim, we really appreciate it, man. This was a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: thrill for us. Thank you for being a part of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the tailgate.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: No problem. Good luck this week.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Have a good one.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks again to Jim McMahon for joining us. I have
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to tell you now that he's no longer on the phone.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That was outrageous. That was the fact that the team
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: let us talk to him, which I thought was a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: mistake before we started.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Still kind of do. But man, that was what we
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in the business call a thrill chatty.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I know you can't see it right now, but I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: have one person on each side of me ready to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: punch me in the face if I ruin that interview.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So I was on my best behavior, but that was
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: so much fun. I mean, go back to your childhood.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And then I love the fact that talking about the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Thursday night game, he just still every step, right? He's
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: talking about moving to the left and he gets pressured
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: from the left and has to get around. I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: he's just like, it is just ingrained.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Also, how about a couple of absurd origin stories? The
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: This is why the fridge play started. We were going
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to throw it. And oh, by the way, we got
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: tricked into doing the Super Bowl shuffle. Unbelievable.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so cool. That was really fun to hear that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: stuff because I wouldn't have known. I thought that Ditka
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: came up with the fridge running and I didn't know
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: it was complete revenge. And then I also didn't know
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: that their scenes were shot in different spots.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. I would have never, for the technology back then,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that. I would have kept
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: going like, well, then where'd you do it? You mean
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to tell me they green screened you? But technology was
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: so wonky back then, they probably did it and you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have even noticed. Well, that brings us up to current.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: We'll move from him looking back to us looking forward.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: You know, this game, historically in our lifetime, like, adult
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: lifetime since we've, you know, been grown. I got, I,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I do not look forward to that game. I don't
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. That's just always lingered.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Now you have that plus, Oh boy, there's, they're.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: A good football team.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, they put up 59 points last week. Ben
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Johnson is on the record saying he wants to break
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the all time scoring record. Uh, this is going to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: be a really interesting Ben Johnson, uh, Flores moment and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I have let me tell you no idea how it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go not I don't even you know how I'm
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: cocky all the time and then I'm the other way
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: when it doesn't go like of course.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're wishy-washy I have well I listen.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: That's a different way of saying it I guess I would.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Like to say that you again you are talking about
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: a defense in Carolina that that didn't play a lot
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in the preseason this is the first game right so
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It's not like everybody's, all the starters are winding up.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And so now that we, now that we got our game,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, you know what, I'm going to call
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it a practice game. Now that we got our practice
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: game and our defense, our defense.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: We got our practice game against green Bay. We got
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the rust out against the green Bay team that didn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: beat us. Yep.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I think, I think every team is going to look
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: significantly different in week two because it is, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you have to get going. But I think our defense
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: looked great. Yes, there were some over-the-middle catches at the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: end of the game, but those are garbage time stats.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm just really looking forward to it. And I
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: think Caleb's going to get hit a lot more than
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: he did last game. I think this is going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: be just different. Any time you come to the black
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and blue division, it is going to feel different. And
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I think they're thinking they're going to swim through this
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: thing again and score another– 50 plus no chance. It
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: was also of.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Note that it was 31, 31 at some point in
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that game. And the bears just kept sprinting and put points.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: On the board.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: You know, the, the, the evolution of the Flores Ben Johnson, when,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: when Ben was in Detroit, you know, they clearly got
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the best of us a couple of times and really
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: took advantage of the defense. But if you look at
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: last year, You know, the opening week and even that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: later in the season game, it's not like they put
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: up a lot of points. You know, I think what
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Flores does, so here's the theory I was poorly teasing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: before we got to the game preview. I think there
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is a, let's call it a psychological chaos factor. So,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you know when defenses, excuse me, when offenses, it's like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: You keep running it. You keep running it because eventually
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it'll break. You run it, run it, run it, run it,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: run it. And then in the fourth quarter, they're wore
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: down and boom, you crack one. Boom, you crack one
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and you break them. It's almost like what Flores does
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes is the defensive version of that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And granted, we really needed some things to go our
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: way against Green Bay. But when the dam broke, all
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, boom, sack, boom, fumble, fumble. It was like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: we've been hitting you all day and it broke through.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And now, no matter what they've seen in the past.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the Bears and Ben Johnson and Caleb have to look
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: at the tape and go, oh, even though Jordan Love
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: is big and rangy and can move and is really
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: successful against the Blitz and never takes a sack, They
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: brought it 73% of the time. 73! So there was
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this great, before the Packers game, former Viking Javon Hargrave,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: who plays for the Packers now, was basically asked by
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a reporter, hey, you played in this defense. Are you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: going to be able to give a little bit of
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the secrets, some of the cheat codes? And Hargrave kind
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of just laughed. He's like, there's no cheat codes. Jordan
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Love knows what's coming.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Like that's so that's the thing. It's this no matter
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: if they show blitz all day and then drop back
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and play coverage, you can't count on that. No matter
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: how good this offense is, I think I'm just hoping
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that in the back of Caleb's mind, the psychological factor
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: of Flores being on the other sideline really matters.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: It is a real guessing game when you're playing against
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: this defense. I mean, you know, they give you one lineup,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: show you one thing. all of a sudden it's not
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: even close to what you thought. And so I think
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's going to be great, and I think it's going
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: to take one big hit, and I think Caleb is
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: going to remember that, and I think it's going to
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: affect the rest.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: We don't, although I think a lot of people believe
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: he might be out for a while. As of this recording,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we don't have updates on Kyler Murray. I think a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people are anticipating Carson Wentz, who, you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I had some big moments and clearly as, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it makes sense, had some rust moments as well, given,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the way the off season went like that.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. This is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a big spot.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You know, and he's a guy who historically can make
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of throws that a lot of other people can't.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, can get a little wild with
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: it at times. And I, One of the big things
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I'm watching is the stats for KOC. When this team
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't lose the turnover battle. So in this game against
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: with a defense that isn't as good as the one
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: we saw last week. But still is going to have
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to keep up. Can the two of those guys, if
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it is Wentz. Can KOC and Wentz kind of meld
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and keep the wild moments down for Wentz. and keep
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the good moments up, be low turnover and take advantage
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of some situations. And you, you, you might put yourself
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: in a really good situation. I know, I know you're
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a long time Wentz guy, so you got to be
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: curious how this goes.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting too. However, if
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they're like, these guys are watching game film, right? And
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: they are seeing Hawkinson and they're seeing Jefferson and they're
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: seeing the running backs. What they're not seeing is Addison.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Addison is, is still a humongous factor in this new
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: passing game if Wentz starts. So we're going to be
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: able to come out and still surprise them.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Bears are currently five and a half point favorites. They
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: are at home going into week two here. Let's do
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: player prediction, game prediction, personal prediction. Are we booting the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: game prediction? We both hate the game prediction. We don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unless we want to go actually instead
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of this fantastic thing. I just don't like.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Predicting, and then I'm wrong, and I feel like I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: caused it, which is irrational, my therapist said.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. The last prediction, you said that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Jefferson was going to have a huge game.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I said Hitman was going to have a pick. I mean,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: tip drill. I'm going to give him the assist.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I think we focus on the thing we're amazing at
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: is telling you, Who might show up big time? So
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: let's do player prediction, and let's just.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Keep it there. Okay, I'm going to go Dallas Turner,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: four hurries, two sacks.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: No!
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Four hurries, two sacks.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: That was mine. That's the one I wrote down.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Too bad.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Too bad.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: You let me go first.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It'll be really interesting to see if Dallas Turner can
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: follow up his week one performance. I mean, he was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: a monster.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Like, for everybody who was worried about replacing that spot, boy, oh, boy,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: this guy is, he's ready, I think.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a while to turn it on, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: when he did, I mean, come on.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're taking Dallas Turner, so let me
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: throw a couple of statistics at you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: The Vikings ran the ball 27 times while trailing last week.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: That is the second highest in the KOC era.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Behind a game against the Jacksonville Jaguars when Sam Darnold
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: was the quarterback. They're also, they had six short yardage
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: plays in the game, two yards or less, ran on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: all six of them. A couple of them, second and short,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: didn't get it, ran again on third and short. I'm
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: loving the commitment to the run game. So that's where
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it. I think this is going
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to be a higher scoring game But I think you're
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: going to see a big performance from the combined running
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: backs at large. And hopefully if the game gets tilted
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the right way, a big number because you're really controlling
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the game. So that's the one I'm going to go with.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Are you going to go to Chicago? You were at
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: our first win. I don't know that you're the good
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: luck charm, but you were at our first win. Were
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you watching this one?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to. Unfortunately, I am. taking the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: earliest flight out of LAX to get home to watch
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: this thing. So I will be at home most likely pacing.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That is a early, early, early flight to get from
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: LA back in time for a noon kickoff.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: It's an hour drive to get there at 5 a.m.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So we shall see how I.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Do.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I will not be watching the 3 o'clock games. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: will be sleeping.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: All right. All right, all right. Thanks again to the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: great Jim McMahon for joining Chad and I here on
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: No kidding. That was so fun.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Chad, as always, for being here this week.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you to all of you for listening to our
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: podcast feed. While you're here, make sure you give us
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a good review. It sure would help us out a lot. Finally,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a huge shout-out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. Enjoy
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the game, everybody.