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Writing in Star Wars · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Nerd Party.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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  Speaker 1: are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast on
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  Speaker 3: the Nerd Party network that delves a little deeper, a
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  Speaker 3: little longer than other Star Wars podcasts that you will
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  Speaker 3: come across. You have our word on it, or if
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  Speaker 3: this is your first time joining us, welcome, We're glad
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  Speaker 3: you're here. I'm Jedi Master John Mills and with me
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  Speaker 3: on this journey of many. I think we're on episode
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  Speaker 3: four twenty right now, So anybody have a light crazy
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  Speaker 3: r right? So I wonder if four to twenty means
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  Speaker 3: the same thing in Star Wars. No idea, Jedi Master
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  Speaker 3: Matthew Rushing, Hey Matt you ready to get a little
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  Speaker 3: weird with it this week?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I guess, as the kids would say,
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  Speaker 2: six seven, Uh so.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see oh dear, no, no, not.
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  Speaker 2: Age well so, uh but no, I'm so good.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Look behind the scenes before we started recording on the
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  Speaker 2: other side of the galaxy. H John Mills and I
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  Speaker 2: were discussing the fact that it is crazy that we
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  Speaker 2: are on episode for twenty. That's what this episode is.
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  Speaker 2: And even though we stopped numbering episodes, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we keep tracks so we have an idea of where
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  Speaker 2: we are. And man, and I asked I to say, like,
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  Speaker 2: I've this this show just has me so jazzed still
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like, you know, the last few weeks,
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  Speaker 2: especially the last two weeks prior to this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've just had some bangers of episodes and and like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, most of our episodes I think are bangers,
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  Speaker 2: but like I mean, like these were top tier bangers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And so I was just I'm loving the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: gather together with my good friend here, especially the holiday season,
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  Speaker 2: sit back and talk some Star Wars and and you know, John,
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  Speaker 2: speaking of holidays, you know, it's as everybody's about to to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, celebrate the wonderful life day of Christmas. You know,
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  Speaker 2: what better time to give a gift, and what better
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  Speaker 2: time to give a gift to your favorite Star Wars podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Aggressive negotiations but a starbrating review on Apple Podcasts because
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  Speaker 2: it has been a drought of reviews for us, The
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  Speaker 2: four months ago was the last time that we had
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  Speaker 2: a review, and prior to that it was three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Get out there, give us a starbrating review. We'd really
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: I get it. I understand it's it's a little tough.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's busy. Those are a couple of extra clicks, like
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  Speaker 3: type it on your iPhone, stuff like that. I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Matt's absolutely right, we would really appreciate it. But the
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  Speaker 3: thing is, the whole time you're talking about that, and
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  Speaker 3: I gotta come back to this. I make a four
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  Speaker 3: to twenty reference, you make a six seven reference, and
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  Speaker 3: then I start writing in my head and I go,
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  Speaker 3: all right, so order sixty six is kill all the Jedi.
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  Speaker 3: And then I was like, execute order sixty seven, annoy
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  Speaker 3: the crap out of the galaxy, you know, like that
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  Speaker 3: makes sense? Right, So, and then Vader's sitting there's a
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  Speaker 3: suck seven right like, and he just, my goodness, gracious,
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  Speaker 3: can you imagine those two getting into it? Like I
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  Speaker 3: can actually with you stop with your stupid trends, Veda,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think of a second death stock SUX seven?
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  Speaker 3: Would you stop saying that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So, all right, so you know, and then you and
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  Speaker 2: then you've got and you got one of the Imperial
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  Speaker 2: Guards going out.
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  Speaker 3: Don't even know what that means, you know, right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's why the Red Guards never talk, is they're like,
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  Speaker 3: don't say anything. They're gonna pick it up and they're
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  Speaker 3: just gonna run with it. Be quiet, man, just be quiet, man.
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  Speaker 3: We need a Star Wars story about those Red Guards,
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  Speaker 3: Like I know they delved into them in the comics,
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  Speaker 3: but I would imagine this Disney here free idea for you,
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  Speaker 3: you guys. Animation maybe can pick this one up. I
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  Speaker 3: trust the animation team to do this one. But a
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  Speaker 3: series about the Red Guards, about the training program, about
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  Speaker 3: what they went through, about whether they knew the force,
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  Speaker 3: about all of that different stuff. I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 3: how awesome would that be? It would be pretty darn awesome? Great, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean good grade. Anyway, So you know, you talk
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  Speaker 3: about like we're still going We're four to twenty in
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  Speaker 3: and I was thinking, this is a topic I've wanted
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  Speaker 3: to like sort of like poke at for a little while.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of the trademarks, sort of like silly topics.
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  Speaker 3: But it starts small, but I think get it can
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  Speaker 3: keep going here is handwriting in Star Wars. It's something
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  Speaker 3: that I've been thinking about out for a long time
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  Speaker 3: because every time we've seen it true you know, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I know, I've pitched this how many times. So I
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  Speaker 3: decide I'm going to surprise you with it so that
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  Speaker 3: you can't run away from me. But you know, I
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  Speaker 3: never know. Do we pronounce it arabsh Arubish Aribish like
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  Speaker 3: I think it's arab besh, Yeah, arab Besh. I always
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  Speaker 3: presumed it was like Arabic is how it's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be pronounced, But I've never heard it officially pronounced anyway,
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  Speaker 3: so it looks almost runic. And like the period of
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  Speaker 3: the galaxy that we're at is always screen displays vocal
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  Speaker 3: commands with astromac droids that sort of thing. So basically
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  Speaker 3: you have a unifying language that the galaxy speaks at
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  Speaker 3: some level. It's like Latin in the Roman Empire. But
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  Speaker 3: we never see anybody take pen to paper, And there's
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  Speaker 3: always been sort of this debate. I remember when Kevin
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  Speaker 3: Jay Anderson wrote his Jedi Academy trilogy, there was kerfluffle
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that he had paper print outs in
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  Speaker 3: that and people were like, no, there're supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: tablets and screens and stuff like that. There is no
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  Speaker 3: paper anymore. But the reason I fixate on the handwriting
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  Speaker 3: thing is we've seen this alphabet. It does not lend
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  Speaker 3: itself to easy writing. It's runic or even hieroglyphic if
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  Speaker 3: you want to go with that, however you want to
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  Speaker 3: say it. It's straight lines and a couple of dots.
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  Speaker 3: All of this sort of thing with handwriting. Was handwriting
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  Speaker 3: a lost art in the Star Wars galaxy. First question
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  Speaker 3: for you, and I just want to start off with
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  Speaker 3: that one because I have a follow up question, But
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  Speaker 3: do you think anybody wrote anything by hand in the
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  Speaker 3: time period of Star Wars where we've seen the filmed adventures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this is ever since you've mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago, it has been kind of percolating
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  Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, this idea of you know,
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  Speaker 2: what this might look like, and you know, in many
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  Speaker 2: ways feels most akin to the languages that you would
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  Speaker 2: see written out, like Japanese or Chinese, something along those lines.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting in those is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there is a classical view at a classical look of
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  Speaker 2: the letter and then there's a handwriting version, right, so
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  Speaker 2: people can do it much more quickly. And so ever
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  Speaker 2: since you've brought this to my attention and this idea,
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  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about that, and I really do believe
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  Speaker 2: that that's what I think that that would look like
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  Speaker 2: like the idea of writing in Star Wars. Like actually,
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  Speaker 2: you know, handwriting something would be much like that in
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  Speaker 2: those cultures, and and it would becomes a second nature
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  Speaker 2: to you. You would be able to do it quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there would be ways in which strokes led
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  Speaker 2: to other strokes, the same way I think. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you think with English when we were kids, right, you
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  Speaker 2: learn to write cursive and you know you're connecting characters
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  Speaker 2: together and so and you know, speaking of this too,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we haven't seen a ton of books in
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars, right, but we have seen that in and
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  Speaker 2: of course the sequel trilogy, right, you know, especially you
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  Speaker 2: see in the Last Jedi and and then of course
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  Speaker 2: in the Rise of Skywalker the ancient Jedi texts that
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  Speaker 2: are actually written on a parchment, and you see them
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  Speaker 2: have handwriting in them. So but I think in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways, by the time we are where we
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  Speaker 2: are in Star Wars. When we get to the prequels
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  Speaker 2: and and that era, it does almost seem as though
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  Speaker 2: computers and maybe voice to text that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 2: may have taken over the galaxy. So people may you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you think of kids in Skeleton Crew being
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  Speaker 2: at school, right, and that they would learn to write, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that would be a skill that they would learn,
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  Speaker 2: is how to create the characters in a written form
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  Speaker 2: with a stylist or something and a pad. But in
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  Speaker 2: the end, I don't know if it's a skill that
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  Speaker 2: people kind of continue to keep up with. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you have pen pals, you know, with with
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  Speaker 2: actual parchment letters, you know, because that technology just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to be a part of the galaxy by the
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  Speaker 2: time we get into the Star Wars, which is a
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  Speaker 2: really interesting commentary then on this whole idea of people
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  Speaker 2: obviously read because Arabash still exists and people are able
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  Speaker 2: to read, and yet you know, maybe everybody just uses
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  Speaker 2: e books.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, I hear everything you're saying, and
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  Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right on so many accounts. But
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  Speaker 3: the reason I fixate on it is because, yes, we've
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  Speaker 3: seen graffiti. I'm pretty sure at least in rebels. We've
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  Speaker 3: seen graffiti, and I think we saw graffiti an attack
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  Speaker 3: of the clones as well, when they're running through the
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  Speaker 3: lower levels running after Zam. I think, yep. And so
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  Speaker 3: there is some form of writing. But again, graffiti's very large,
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  Speaker 3: it's spray paint, it's artistic. It's easier to write that
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  Speaker 3: out rather than you know, text it out sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But while I concede that, yeah, obviously some sort of
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  Speaker 3: writing has to exist, and I think we're both on
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  Speaker 3: the same wavelength of like, but how widespread is it? Right,
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  Speaker 3: because people are gonna get I think we're seeing this
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  Speaker 3: with an Okay, I know I keep stopping myself here,
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  Speaker 3: but every single generation, as they get older, as I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting older, and i'd say, Matt, sadly, even your aging,
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  Speaker 3: we get to a point where we look back and
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  Speaker 3: we say, oh, these kids, they're getting so lazy with everything.
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  Speaker 3: And we're in the middle of this AI revolution so called,
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  Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, people are getting lazy with the
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  Speaker 3: way they write and they think, and we're dealing with
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  Speaker 3: the world with astromec droids and interpreters and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: where even the technology for the impoverished in the Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars galaxy is accessible at the very least. But where
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  Speaker 3: I go next with the handwriting thing, is is it
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  Speaker 3: possible that handwriting becomes such a lost art on a
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  Speaker 3: wide scale, or just fall out of use in such
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  Speaker 3: a way that you mentioned and I was going to
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  Speaker 3: bring these up, the ancient Jedi texts. As people lose
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  Speaker 3: familiarity with writing and words change over time, there's no
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  Speaker 3: way that Arabesh remained the same through time. I mean
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  Speaker 3: just look at the fact again, going back to the
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  Speaker 3: back at the beginning of the show you six'. Seven
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  Speaker 3: if you'd said that twenty years, ago people have been, like,
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  Speaker 3: what what's wrong with?
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  Speaker 2: You even now people are like, What.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah so you go forward thousands of, years is it
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  Speaker 3: possible this universal language Of, rabesh the lack of handwriting
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  Speaker 3: practice and skill makes it so that those ancient texts
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  Speaker 3: that you look, at that's why knowledge has been, lost
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  Speaker 3: is because nobody could read what had been written, before
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  Speaker 3: because the handwriting had fallen out of popular use and
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  Speaker 3: the ability to read it was. Lost.
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i like what you're saying in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of you, know it being much more difficult
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  Speaker 2: to say understand something like The jedi texts because of
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  Speaker 2: the age of the. HANDWRITING i, mean you, know just
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  Speaker 2: the way in which language has changed the thousands of
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  Speaker 2: years that we've you, know been on this planet as human,
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  Speaker 2: beings right, like ever since humanity, began you, know handwriting
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  Speaker 2: has slowly evolved over. Time you, know cure form looks
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  Speaker 2: completely different than what we use, now and it's incredibly
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  Speaker 2: difficult to, read and it took people, many many years
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  Speaker 2: to decipher what was being said when it was. Rediscovered
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  Speaker 2: and so you, KNOW i think maybe that's where the
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  Speaker 2: beauty of having a protocol droid would come, in right
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  Speaker 2: where you, know six million forms of communication and therefore
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  Speaker 2: they are able to decipher. That in, fact you, know
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  Speaker 2: again referencing The rise Of, skywalker you, know the language
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  Speaker 2: of The sith is a language to which droids LIKE
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  Speaker 2: c three po they can read, it but they are
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  Speaker 2: not actually able because of their, programing to translate it
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  Speaker 2: and to tell people what it. Says it's, forbidden and
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  Speaker 2: so you, KNOW i think that's the place where those
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  Speaker 2: type of things would be, very very. Helpful and so
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  Speaker 2: you think of like you, Know ray with The jedi,
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  Speaker 2: texts you, know not everybody has access to a protocol.
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  Speaker 2: Doid so if you just ran across, that you, know
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  Speaker 2: somewhere at a flea market or. Whatever In Star wars they're,
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  Speaker 2: on you, Know, tattooine the likelihood that you would be
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  Speaker 2: able to just sit down and read it might be
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  Speaker 2: few or far. Between and, YEAH i think that's really.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting AND i think it, also you, know as we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about this idea of, handwriting you, KNOW i think
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  Speaker 2: on a planet like saying, naboo that would be something
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  Speaker 2: that's much more in, vogue, right the idea of learning
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  Speaker 2: how to write the, language, Right and then you, think
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  Speaker 2: you know, too does each planet have its own flourishes
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  Speaker 2: for the language the basic language as? Well so you,
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  Speaker 2: know both people who live in The United, states people
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  Speaker 2: who live In, Australia New, Zealand, England, Scotland, ireland we
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  Speaker 2: all Speak, english and yet there's a different dialect Of
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  Speaker 2: english that is said in say somewhere like THE uk
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  Speaker 2: and somewhere like The United. States, RIGHT i, mean a
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  Speaker 2: boot here usually just means something you wear in your foot.
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  Speaker 2: Them it could mean something you wear in a football.
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  Speaker 2: Match it could mean something that is the, uh you,
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  Speaker 2: know trunk of your car and so you, know there's
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  Speaker 2: there's there's all of these different ways in which the
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  Speaker 2: language is malleable in that, sense you, know from where
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  Speaker 2: we are in a different, context and and all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of. Stuff and SO i think that's actually another
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  Speaker 2: thing that's really interesting about this and, why you, know
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  Speaker 2: when we think about the idea of reading and specifically
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  Speaker 2: writing the basic language and arabsh and and how that
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  Speaker 2: may have changed and what that might have meant for
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  Speaker 2: something like you, know these These jedi, texts which obviously
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  Speaker 2: are incredibly old and very valuable and something to which you,
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i don't recall us ever seeing anything else like
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  Speaker 2: that In Star wars before we saw that in the sequel.
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  Speaker 3: Trilogy, WELL i, mean the thing, is you touch on
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  Speaker 3: something and when you Mentioned, naboo immediately where my brain
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  Speaker 3: goes is What i'm terrified, of Isn't and this is
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  Speaker 3: in the real world as, well is that reading and
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  Speaker 3: writing at a certain level reverts back to that sort
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  Speaker 3: of like feudal mentality where only the wealthy with lots
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  Speaker 3: of spare time have the ability to write and read these,
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  Speaker 3: things whereas everybody at you, know a less wealthy strata
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  Speaker 3: of society basically doesn't have the leisure time to do,
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  Speaker 3: it like they've got to rely on the tools that
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  Speaker 3: the audio tools and other tools to sort of like
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  Speaker 3: get through the day sort of. Thing you, KNOW i
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't want that to be the case in any. Sense but,
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  Speaker 3: additionally taking that literacy thing out of, it do you
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  Speaker 3: think it's? Possible and this is Where i'm giving as
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  Speaker 3: much grace is possible to a line That i've hated
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  Speaker 3: the way it was delivered in episode eight SINCE i
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  Speaker 3: saw it for the first, time Where yoda says Asks,
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  Speaker 3: luke you know read? Them have? You when he's talking
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  Speaker 3: about The jedi? Texts do you think it's possible with
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  Speaker 3: this discussion to layer on or read of that scene
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  Speaker 3: Where yoda's making a joke of. IT i. Guess But
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  Speaker 3: luke literally couldn't read The jedi texts because he never
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  Speaker 3: had anybody around that taught him how to read what
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  Speaker 3: was written in. There for, instance the Ancient jedi, texts
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  Speaker 3: they're out. There maybe somebody In yoda's day could read,
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  Speaker 3: them but it was taught to The. Jedi it was
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  Speaker 3: a specific skill set to read those texts in The jedi,
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  Speaker 3: order And luke literally was unable to read those. Texts,
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  Speaker 3: YEAH i, MEAN i that might be.
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  Speaker 2: INTERESTING i like. IT i think the way it's played
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  Speaker 2: and then it gets the you, know the WAY i saw,
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  Speaker 2: IT i wouldn't it definitely seemed Like luke had read.
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  Speaker 3: Them, yeah it's not played that. Way, yeah it's played
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  Speaker 3: for a cheap laugh in the, movie which is WHY
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  Speaker 3: i hate. It but, yeah is it possible to bring
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  Speaker 3: that read onto?
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  Speaker 2: IT i, YEAH i, mean you, know Making luca an
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  Speaker 2: uncultured swine who you, know never learned how to, read
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  Speaker 2: because all he had to know was how to you,
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  Speaker 2: know service no.
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  Speaker 3: Operators, no he he knows how to read like the
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  Speaker 3: modern screen. Stuff, sure because we see him reading a
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  Speaker 3: screen FROM r two in HIS X. Wing that's, established
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  Speaker 3: that's on. Screen we see the on screen translation FROM r.
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  Speaker 3: Two is it just possible, that with our talk about
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  Speaker 3: how handwriting changes through, time that's why he's unable to read. It,
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  Speaker 3: YEAH i.
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  Speaker 2: Mean that would have been the most generous read and
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  Speaker 2: that would be great if that was a. Possibility you,
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i, think you, know it's definitely unfortunate that they
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  Speaker 2: made that an impossibility with, that and so you know
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  Speaker 2: IT'S i liked where you went with this, though and
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  Speaker 2: there is really something interesting in the way in which you,
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  Speaker 2: know you look at like hieroglyphics and you, know this pictorial,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: language and it is so interesting to watch just the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: way in which our own culture has reverted back to that,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: idea you, know with emojis and so it's it's, like you,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: know there's nothing new under the, sun and and so
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and that does make me wonder, about you, know the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: life of star wars and people in, stars because obviously
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: The jedi temple had a huge library of, information right
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and it was full of things that it looked as
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: though the library we saw things had been taken and.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Digitized therefore to preserve them so that you, know books
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: can deteriorate and all those type of, things and so
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that that was one of the key important aspects of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: being The, jedi was preserving. Knowledge and then of course
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you have, holocrons which also helped preserve even more. Knowledge
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and so this really was a KEY i think of The,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: jedi which which is when you think about then What
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: palpatine begins to, do and even just where we are
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: in the, prequels AND i think what makes them even
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: more salient than they were when they first came. Out
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: is that in our own world we have become so
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: much more enamored with visual media and the ways in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: which visual media and quick hit media and all of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing can be used to much more
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: easily manipulate people than, say a long form BOOK yep
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: or text is the thing in WHICH i think Helps
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: palpatine be able to take over the. Galaxy and, again
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: The jedi were the bastions of those who revered knowledge
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and wisdom right, Even and that's What deck, says, like
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you would think The jedi would know the difference between
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: knowledge and.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Wisdom but, conversely you, know, yes that's the positive view
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of The jedi THAT i agree, With but intended or,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: not it turns them into gatekeepers of the. Knowledge they
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: wind up cloistering the knowledge in their. Temple and so
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: you have if you're not A, jedi there's stuff that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: you'll never be allowed to. Know you're basically literally putting
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: it in a place where you have to be A
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: jedi to access. It which the most noble thing they
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: could have done was to have A jedi library and
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: anybody could come and access it and see. It and
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they just had the you, know guards around it and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: stuff like that to make sure nobody tampered with or
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: like maybe THEY i, mean we're in the digital. Age
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: maybe it was a giant backup hard drive that they.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Had you, know, hey you, know here's the backup of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: The Jedi library over. There but like, seriously like because
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the destruction of The Jedi temple or not, destruction because
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: we see it at the end of episode, Six, NO
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: i know what you mean, though but like that that,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: damage that raid of The Jedi temple and everything that
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: goes in, there now with what you're talking, about carries
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: shades of the destruction of The library Of alexandria with
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: all of the knowledge that was lost when that. Happened,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: yeah and it's Like palpatine winds up hitting a big
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: reset button on the.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Galaxy, well, YES i, mean and that's you, know, obviously
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that is the thing to Which palpatine. Does that you,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: know we see all throughout totalitarian, regimes, right you basically
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: create year, zero like the year in which everything. Resets
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and and that's exactly what you know he did in
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: in the ways in which he reset everybody's ideas of The,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: jedi he excelerated the idea of helping people forget them
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: right as quickly as possible because he doesn't want people remembering,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it which you, know you brought the idea, of you,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: know having Other jedi, libraries BUT i was also, thinking
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like it also seems to, me is That jedi at their,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: height and and maybe in the golden era of The,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: jedi what they would have been known for was Having jedi,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: schools not just to train More, jedi but just to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: educate people in, general be a bastion of education and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: knowledge and wisdom throughout the, galaxy beyond just creating more
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of their own, cult but to just propagate the idea
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of knowledge and wisdom throughout the, galaxy which you, KNOW
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: i think it just it kind of it really helps
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: me see how MUCH i would love to, actually, LIKE
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: i don't want to speak, ill BUT i really disliked
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: almost all of The High republic, stuff AND i would
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: really love to see somebody tackle the height of The
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: jedi in a really interesting. Way and this is one
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: of the place is WHERE i think that could actually
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: be a part of.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That. WELL i, Mean John Jackson, miller with his Book
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: The Living, force winds up keying on this idea that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: The jedi are recognizing shortly before episode, one we've kind
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: of lost, touch haven't, We like we have gone off
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and we're not out there with the people so that
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: they understand what we're. About but more, importantly even more
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: important than. Midiclorians especially since to its credit season one
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Of ahsoka has gone back to this idea of, like,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: well The jedi were never supposed to be using midichlorians
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: as like the be, all end all measurement, Anyway, right
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you have a situation where what better way to find
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Potential jedi than to go out and Found jedi Schools
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and there might be somebody who walks in one day
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and you're, like, ahat you got the. Gift you got the.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Gift why don't you come with me and we'll do
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: a little. Testing you got the? Touch hey hey hey,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: wrong no, no no hold, on, no, no no. Wrong
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: franchise is one of those ones WHERE i will draw
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a line in the. Sand that song belongs To Rodamus,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: prime my, friend not to any.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: JOKE i, mean that song was supposed to belong to you,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Know Rocky.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Balboa but you, know so that's a whole other different.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Podcast we got to find something here on the nerd party.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Argument you know what you're. On you are on if
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: you want to talk about soundtrack, mistakes although it's not
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: a mistake because honestly and honestly that, oh you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: What i'm about to go totally down into A transformers
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the movie soundtrack from nineteen eighty six and all of that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Stuff, fine such an old just easy, Obviously, NO i you,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: KNOW i like that you brought that, up, Though AND
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: i do want to SAY i think that this is
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: one of the places where you, know you Mentioned John
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Jackson miller's, book, right and this is just one of
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the things, that when done, well that THE eu adds to.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Perfectly you know that the extended universe that the books
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: that come, out this is what they're meant to, do,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right they're meant to be able to continue the storyline
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: but add other building blocks that help you understand what
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: was happening to what you saw on. Screen and so
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you bringing that, UP i just love how it crystallizes
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: this whole discussion that we've been having about the idea
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of written language In Star wars and what that would
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: look like and how that might have affected, things and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: what might the shift between a written linear language and
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: just seeing it on a computer screen might have done
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to an entire. Galaxy AND i think that that is
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: just an incredibly interesting, idea and that book itself helps
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: us see some of the ways in, Which, yeah The
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: JEDI i had kind of lost themselves by the time
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of the, prequels and they just realize it too. Late
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and part of that is just because they became, myopic
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and there's a real danger in. That AND i, think
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you know that myopathy is so much easier when we're
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: never exposed to new ideas or old, ideas or ideas
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that challenge our. Preconceptions and SO i love this discussion
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: because it really does kind of show you how rich and,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: deep you, Know Star wars can be and is just
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: from having you, know silly discussions about handwriting, WELL.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I, mean and, additionally like you, know you talk about old,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: ideas when you start taking away the ability to read
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the either there's an old statement FROM i Think shakespeare's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: day where it was like translator equals. Trader once you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: lose the ability to read those old, texts once you
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: lose the ability to contextualize things, appropriately somebody can influence
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: how you think about, them which is going to change
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: everything about your perception of, them which is going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: lead to all sorts of. Things it's, like, oh well
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: The jedi believe, That, well why do you think? That, well,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: well you know this, quote and you can literally just
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: pluck something out of, context and because that person can't
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: give it the proper, context all of a, sudden you've
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: rewritten history exactly just and you did. It you. Know it's, like,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Uh kaiser SoSE and the usual. Suspects you know that
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the best lie is cloaked in, truth and you.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Know AND i, mean isn't that exactly What palpatine?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Did? Right, yes there it, is you.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Know and SO i think this is just really one
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of the beautiful things about this. Saga AND i think
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: it's one of the beautiful things about the saga when
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it's done, well when it's done, correctly you, know AND
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: i think it really, shows you, know it's one of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the reasons WHY i think both you AND i when
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it comes to so much of the animated, material which
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: dove in even deeper to these, subjects got into you,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: know as we do. Here sometimes it's very silly and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: we're you, know we're just having a good. Time but you,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: know you get into subject like this and you, think oh,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: man we're going to talk about writing In Star, wars
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: handwriting And Star. Wars and yet this is the type
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of stuff to WHICH i think in a lot of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: ways Clone wars and The Bad batch and rebels and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: all those. Things you see bits and pieces of these
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: type of elements in the stories because they're able to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: dig more into what we might consider, minutia you.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Know and this gal.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Lexy is rich and, deep AND i think, it you,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: know the beauty of it is That george always wanted
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: this to be a thing to help people think about
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the world that we live. In uh and and the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: ramifications of you, know not thinking about the world that
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you lived. In AND i think that's pretty.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Fun so, well speaking of rich and deep and, fun
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: where can people find you online so that they can
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: discuss handwriting In Star wars and all of the other
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: topics that it leads.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: To, WELL i don't know how much depth there, is
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: but hopefully there's some. Fun you can find me all
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: over social media under the Name Matt rushing zero. Two of,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: course here on the, Network i'm got a completed show
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Called alpost talking about every single chapter of The Harry potter,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: series and then over on THE tfm network you'll find
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: me with a bunch of. Shows one is called the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: six or Two, club and we talk about all of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: our favorite fandoms outside Of Star. Trek and So John
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: mills is a frequent guest over. THERE i love it
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and everybody loves, it, honestly and so hope you'll check that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Out AND i got a lot of Great Star trek
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: talk over there as well with my good Friend Chris.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Jones so But, john.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: If people maybe want to send their samples Of arabash,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: handwriting where would they find?
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: You, well, Gosh i'll accept, everything and you KNOW i
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: will issue a. CHALLENGE i would love it if people
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: posted on social media in response to when this show is,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: posted go to AN lm slash what we call an
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: ai bot or. Whatever show us somebody Writing arabash arabsh
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: in The Star wars, galaxy and let that be your
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: prompt and you show us what that thing thinks that looks.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Like AND i look forward to all of those horror
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: shows when you share them with. Us and, Also I'm
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Kessel junkie out there ks S e l G u N.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Kie you can find me here on the, network co
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: hosting a show With Darren moser And Tristan radel called House.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Lights we have a lot of fun with, it and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: we would love it if you jumped over and listen
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: to that as. Well and you, know with all of that, Said,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: MATT i think it is time we've figured, out now
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: What order six'. SEVEN is i think we've got to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: go back and brainstorm order. Sixty EIGHT so i think
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: it's time to close. These negotiations isn't that just my
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: order in?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And, out anyway negotiations. Are closed.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Make him, Chicken tendas.
• 34:41
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