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Credlin | 17 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Sorry we're late. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Kredline. Another childcare worker, this time
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Speaker 2: in Brisbane, being charged with child abuse. More details on
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Speaker 2: that shortly. But you've got a question how much more's
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Speaker 2: got to come to light before we get more than
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Speaker 2: just reviews and hollow words from politicians. When a Spanish
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Speaker 2: energy giant pulls appeared on offshore wind projects in Australia,
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Speaker 2: you have to ask, what's it going to take for
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Speaker 2: labor to hit the brakes on this path's net zero?
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Speaker 2: Well Cross Live to Woollongong for the latest on the
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Speaker 2: Blue Float collapse. It's been canceled this weekend and there's
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of other deeply unpopular offshore wind projects
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Speaker 2: also on the line. Meanwhile, Labour's secret India strategy has
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Speaker 2: been exposed, with confidential documents revealing the governments pushing ahead
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Speaker 2: with the reforms, but there's now real questions about how
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Speaker 2: they end the fraud at the same time as ensuring
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Speaker 2: those who need help get it. And Anthony Albenezi tonight
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Speaker 2: wrapping up his China trip, but no wins on trade,
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Speaker 2: no answers on the port of Darwin, and nothing but
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Speaker 2: an awkward dance around any commitment that Australia will stand
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Speaker 2: with the US to defend Taiwan if it comes to that.
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Speaker 2: But it's been a bit of a terrorist gig, has
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Speaker 2: it it?
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Speaker 3: And this guy here is clearly feeling the friendship between
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Speaker 3: Australia and China as well.
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Speaker 2: But first, the Albanezy government so called productivity summit is
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Speaker 2: shaping up as a tax summit. And the one tax
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Speaker 2: it seems to they went on the table and is
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Speaker 2: gathering support is the return of some sort of carbon tax. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is a government that's addicted to spending and addicted
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Speaker 2: to union power. Its union addiction means that it can't
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Speaker 2: address labor productivity, and it's spending addiction means that it
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Speaker 2: needs more and more revenue. Hence that he is certainty
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Speaker 2: of new taxes if the ocean of red ink is
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Speaker 2: ever to be And what better tax than one that
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Speaker 2: supposedly saved the planet, especially one that's just been publicly
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Speaker 2: supported by former Treasury boss Ken Henry. The mining giant
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Speaker 2: Rio tinto the ACTU and a whole lot of academic
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Speaker 2: economists who should spend more time in the real world.
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's time to reconsider a carbon tax?
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Speaker 4: What do we mean by reconsider? Why the hell did
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Speaker 4: we ever drop it? I mean, that's the question, right.
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Speaker 4: It still boggles the mind that we had the world's
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Speaker 4: best carbon policy and then, for purely political reasons, decided
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Speaker 4: that we could afford to do without it.
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Speaker 2: Give me a break, hen Henry. We didn't drop it.
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Speaker 2: It was an election issue. The election was lost on
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Speaker 2: the idea of keeping the carbon tax, one on the
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Speaker 2: idea of repealing it. And it was a decision of
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Speaker 2: the Parliament. Wasn't a political whim of anyone. Now, there
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Speaker 2: are three fundamental problems with a carbon tax. First, there's
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Speaker 2: no election mandate for one. Indeeds, I just said, the
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Speaker 2: only mandate out there is to repeal carbon taxes, which
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Speaker 2: is what Tony Abat did when he won his landslide
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Speaker 2: victory against the Gillard carbon tax and rud in twenty thirteen. Second,
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Speaker 2: or a visited carbon tax will just be another cost
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Speaker 2: on top of all the other costs associated with reducing emissions.
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Speaker 2: And third, it won't say the planet because any further
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Speaker 2: cut in emissions we might secure here in Australia will
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Speaker 2: be lost amidst the massive emission increases coming from China
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Speaker 2: and India as they strive to raise their people's standard
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Speaker 2: of living. Yet there's no doubt the Albanize government is
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Speaker 2: desperate for money and it would like to avenge its
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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen humiliation. Remember Julia Gillard's pledge during the campaign
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Speaker 2: in twenty ten.
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Speaker 5: There will be no carbon tax under the otherment high lead.
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Speaker 2: And remember the subsequent political marriage that ceremony with Bob
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Speaker 2: Brown to secure a minority government that Labor promised that
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Speaker 2: a carbon tax would help them get over the line,
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Speaker 2: and all of Julia Gillard's squirming and obfuscations before she
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Speaker 2: ended up conceding that, yes, her carbon price was a tax.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get hung up on word games
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Speaker 5: about how you describe various pricing mechanisms, and I've been
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Speaker 5: very upfront with people with a fixed price, it's effectively
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Speaker 5: like a tax.
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Speaker 2: One of the arguments that label used to justify a
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Speaker 2: carbon tax is it the most efficient way to reduce emissions,
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Speaker 2: They'll say, and that it will substitute for all the
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Speaker 2: green schemes currently costing taxpayers and consumers. Billions. Indeed, almost
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Speaker 2: thirty billion dollars were spent on all these green dreams
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Speaker 2: over the past decade, that's according to figures from the
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Speaker 2: Center for Independent Studies. But a new carbon tax to
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Speaker 2: cut all other green spending, well that'll never happen. In
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Speaker 2: the same way that the GST was supposed to meet
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Speaker 2: an into the numerous inefficient state taxes. Well then it
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Speaker 2: never happened either. We've got the GSD, the states kept
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Speaker 2: all their taxes, and as you know, they've had added
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Speaker 2: a whole lot more since then. You see, the reason
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Speaker 2: why we have all of these subsidies is because wind
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Speaker 2: and solar are never economic on their own, because we
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Speaker 2: need electricity twenty four to seven, not just when the
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Speaker 2: wind's blowing and the sun shining, and it's not going
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Speaker 2: to change under a carbon tax. Without the renewable subsidies
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Speaker 2: and mandates, people would just pay extra for fossil fuels.
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Speaker 2: So any carbon tax will end up just another green
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Speaker 2: impost on top of all the others. To overcome people's
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Speaker 2: instinctive aversion to new taxes, well, labor will be counting
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Speaker 2: on the sense of moral obligation to save the planet.
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Speaker 2: Given all of our young people in particular have been
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Speaker 2: persuaded or I'd rather express it as brainwashed, that the
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Speaker 2: planets in crisis and CO two emissions are solely to blame.
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Speaker 2: But what's the point of being a green martyr if
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Speaker 2: despite all the economic pain in Australia it's an entirely
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Speaker 2: futile gesture. For instance, since two thousand and five, Australia's
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Speaker 2: reduced its emissions by twenty nine percent, from six hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten to four hundred and thirty three million tons.
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Speaker 2: But in order to do this, real electricity prices or
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Speaker 2: they have doubled. That's why our heavy industry is demanding
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Speaker 2: subsidies or migrating offshore. Meanwhile, in the period that our
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Speaker 2: emissions have fallen by one hundred and seventy seven million
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Speaker 2: tons a year, China's emissions have more than doubled, from
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Speaker 2: six point three billion to thirteen billion tons. Now think
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Speaker 2: of it, one hundred and seventy seven million ton reduction
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Speaker 2: is totally overwhelmed by China's six billion time increase, I
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Speaker 2: meaning air increases over thirty times our decrease. See why
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Speaker 2: it's futile, and that's ignoring all the other countries that
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Speaker 2: pay lip service on climate change while increasing their emissions
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Speaker 2: in order to strengthen their economies. But it gets worse.
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Speaker 2: Not only have we handicapped ourselves economically already, but if
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Speaker 2: we continue down this path, we will disqualify ourselves from
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Speaker 2: becoming artificial intelligence revolution because if there's one thing AI needs,
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Speaker 2: like air to breathe, it's a superabundance of cheap power.
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Speaker 2: And this is a big part why Europe and the
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Speaker 2: United States are moving as fast as they are on
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Speaker 2: nuclear power, because they do not want to be left
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Speaker 2: behind in the AI race. And you've heard me say
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Speaker 2: this before. Energy is the economy, and the economy is
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Speaker 2: our wealth. A carbon tax will just speed us down
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Speaker 2: the road to ruin, especially if it's not accompanied by
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Speaker 2: any move towards zero emissions nuclear power. And look in
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Speaker 2: my column in The Australian today, I pointed out how
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's going out of his way to get
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Speaker 2: closer to China and to distance himself from America. That's
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Speaker 2: why he's so eager to cozy up to the Chinese
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Speaker 2: dictator while going out of his way to avoid meeting
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Speaker 2: the leader of the free world. Anthony Alberzi has never
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Speaker 2: liked Orcus, because how can you say nuclear power on
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Speaker 2: land is deeply wrong, even immoral, if nuclear power in
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Speaker 2: the submarines is okay at sea. Now, plainly Labour wants
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Speaker 2: Orcus gone, but they want to be able to blame
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump the fact that we have no submarines and
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Speaker 2: no credible defense force either. Labor's trying to go the
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Speaker 2: President into giving up on Australia. It's letting his anti
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Speaker 2: nuclear hang ups, putting our national security at risk. And
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Speaker 2: given the times in which we are living, I think
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's been incredibly irresponsible. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Camin now for the headline. Skyi's political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister is promoting Australia's pantalone program with China
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Speaker 6: as a strong economic and cultural link.
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Speaker 3: Our friends posing and this guy here is clearly feeling
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Speaker 3: the friendship between Australia and China as well.
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Speaker 6: Beijing has been using its cuddly critters as a soft
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Speaker 6: diplomacy tool since the nineteen fifties.
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Speaker 7: I do wonder whether a visit to Shangdu to pose
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Speaker 7: with some pandas and whether a hit of tennis is
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Speaker 7: strictly necessary as part of a six day visits to
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Speaker 7: China when there is so much else at stake.
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Speaker 3: I think they should sort themselves out. What they should
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Speaker 3: be doing is just supporting Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 6: Anthony Abenezei also attended a medical technology round table on
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Speaker 6: his final day in China. Markets are reacting to the
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Speaker 6: surprise increase in Australia's unemployment rate. It's jumped to its
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Speaker 6: highest level since November twenty twenty one, with more than
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Speaker 6: thirty three thousand people losing their job in June.
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Speaker 5: There is significant global uncertainty across the world, and of
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Speaker 5: course you know that has an impact here in Australia.
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Speaker 6: The government says the unemployment increase is in line with
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Speaker 6: Treasury's forecasts. A former advisor to Donald Trump is warning
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Speaker 6: a meeting between Anthony Aberenezi and the President could jeopardize ORCUS.
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Speaker 6: John Bolton claims the agreement is being reviewed by the
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Speaker 6: Pentagon without proper oversight. It's raised fears Donald Trump may
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Speaker 6: abandon or reshape the pact. The former National Security advisor
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Speaker 6: is suggesting the minister hold off on a meeting until
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Speaker 6: the deal is locked in. Behind the scenes. He's citing
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Speaker 6: the President's unpredictable nature during face to facing counters.
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Speaker 2: It is an unpredictable ally and that is why we
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Speaker 2: must be doing everything that we can do to ensure
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Speaker 2: the strength of the United States Australia relationship.
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Speaker 6: If the White House meeting delayed drags on, doubts about
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Speaker 6: the strength of the alliance could grow.
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Speaker 2: Plenty of USUS to get across. Join me now, the
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Speaker 2: deputy executive director at the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wilde,
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Speaker 2: and our Sky News contributor Carolia Kats and Barnas. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. Let's start with a groundhog day, really,
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Speaker 2: isn't it? On the carbon taxs. Ken Henry's out there,
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Speaker 2: the actus out there, God helps, Rio Tinto's out there.
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Speaker 2: But let's remember, just for a moment now, what Ken
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Speaker 2: Henry had to say the Press Club yesterday. You think
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Speaker 2: it's time to reconsider a carbon tax.
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Speaker 4: What do we mean by reconsider? Why the hell did
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Speaker 4: we ever drop it? I mean, that's the question, right.
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Speaker 4: It still boggles the mind that we had the world's
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Speaker 4: best carbon policy and then, for purely political reasons, decided
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Speaker 4: that we could afford to do without them.
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Speaker 2: Now that bloke was the head of Treasury. He tried
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Speaker 2: to pretend he was just a straight down the line,
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Speaker 2: a political public servant. Well we could all say that
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Speaker 2: clearly he was not. But he talks about a mandate.
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Speaker 2: There's only a mandate to get rid of carbon taxes.
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Speaker 2: There's no mandate to have one. Was a mention of
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Speaker 2: a carbon tax at the last election campaign.
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Speaker 1: Well that's right, and look, when are the elites going
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Speaker 1: to get the message we voted no to the carbon tax,
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Speaker 1: we voted no to the Voice to Parliament. It's time
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Speaker 1: for them to start respecting democracy and respecting mainstream Australians.
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Speaker 1: It's it leads like Ken Henry and those in the
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Speaker 1: woke ballrooms of Rear Tinto that are destroying our country.
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Speaker 1: As you rightly said, Tony Abbott won in a landslide
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Speaker 1: in large part on the basis to get rid of and.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't a small time I get on a carbon
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Speaker 2: tax eye, that was he and it was everybody knew
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Speaker 2: we wanted to get.
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Speaker 1: And you know what else, Peter, it wasn't popular to
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Speaker 1: begin with. Abbot's position was not pole driven. He drove
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Speaker 1: the polls, not the other way around. So when you
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Speaker 1: create a contest, have a debate and bring the community
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Speaker 1: with you by communicating what the consequences of a carbon
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Speaker 1: tax are or any other policy that we might talk about.
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Speaker 1: That is how you win, not just in politics, it's
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Speaker 1: how you win the debate on our economy, our culture
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Speaker 1: and our society. One other quick point, Peter is that
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Speaker 1: some of these ideas just never die. The activist left
13:30
Speaker 1: never stop. They don't respect the will of the Australian
13:32
Speaker 1: people until they are made to respect it. So we
13:35
Speaker 1: have to win these victories time and time again.
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Speaker 2: You're right to also remind me that it was deeply unpopular,
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Speaker 2: because it was, but there was also a really healthy
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Speaker 2: debate inside the Liberal Party that I think we're all
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Speaker 2: looking at the Liberal Party now saying you're reviewing yourselves
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Speaker 2: to death. You're not having the debates we want you
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Speaker 2: to have. You're rolling over and just me Tooing half
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Speaker 2: of Labour's policy by matching the funds and that zero
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Speaker 2: is a perfect example. Dan, Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: I mean the response right now should be for Susan
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Speaker 1: Lee to buttonhole albow and say what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Are you a favorite of carb attacks or not? That
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Speaker 1: is the obvious thing to do. The other point is
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Speaker 1: there needs to be a rigorous debate within the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: I think in public, I think it's a healthy thing.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be behind closed doors. And I
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Speaker 1: think members of Parliament Shohn need to be encouraged but
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Speaker 1: expected to articulate their views on important issues like this.
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Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. Well, I'm going to talk to
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Speaker 2: a brigadier in a moment, a former brigadier about the
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Speaker 2: sort of the defense aspects of what's come out of
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Speaker 2: China in the last six days. But I've got to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, Albo and his girlfriend Fionce. Now it's got
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Speaker 2: all the hallmarks of a tourist trip. I when you're
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Speaker 2: at Pandas today you've got the Great War yesterday? Was
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Speaker 2: this really worth six days of our prime minister's time?
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Speaker 8: Look definitely not, Peter.
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Speaker 9: The problem is is that Albanez has gone from a
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Speaker 9: prime minister to a sycophantic, pandering tourist t jujin ping.
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Speaker 2: Pardon the pun, but yeah, yeah, part of the pun.
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Speaker 9: You know, we saw them on the wall yesterday with
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Speaker 9: a quip, oh is there a celebrant to down there?
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Speaker 8: You know?
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Speaker 9: Did he think of the wigas the Tibetans the pro
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Speaker 9: democracy protesters in Hong Kong. Even even the thing of
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Speaker 9: wearing a hawthorn top and a Bunnies cap. John Howard
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Speaker 9: wore national National soccer US and Wallabies. The Chinese loved soccer.
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Speaker 9: Why not even wear a Matilda's top right up here
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Speaker 9: for thinking. The other thing though, is, and I do
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Speaker 9: want to point this out, is that it's important to
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Speaker 9: remind people.
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Speaker 8: You and I know this. You know this as well.
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Speaker 9: Anthony Albanezi from a young age has always been involved
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Speaker 9: in socialism. His faction of the Labor Party is the
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Speaker 9: socialist Left. They took the stance pro Soviet in the
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Speaker 9: Cold War. He's actually dangerously living out his childhood dream
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Speaker 9: because people forget the Soviet Union was communist, China is communist.
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Speaker 8: He's loving this.
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Speaker 9: And this is very bad because if it's removing it,
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Speaker 9: but it's also removing Australia from the Western Alliance. And
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Speaker 9: also what is the message that it's sending to our
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Speaker 9: allies Europe, Japan, Korea, one hundred and seventy eight days
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Speaker 9: but not counting no face to face with Trump.
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Speaker 8: It's very dangerous.
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Speaker 9: But the problem is this history is not taught in Australia.
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Speaker 9: And people have voted for this and one day it
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Speaker 9: is actually going to cost us.
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Speaker 8: But I think it's disgraceful.
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Speaker 9: The other thing one hundred and fifty two million dollars
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Speaker 9: of Australian taxpayers money given to trip dot Com to
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Speaker 9: boost tourism. That is a wholly owned company by the
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Speaker 9: Chinese Communist Party, and they were bringing tourists. They were
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Speaker 9: bringing tourists to Australia anyway. So we've got one hundred
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Speaker 9: and fifty two million dollars of Australian money going to
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Speaker 9: a Chinese tour company to boost tourism.
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Speaker 8: Here they were already doing it.
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Speaker 2: It's a holly owned I did not know that, gos Caroll.
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Speaker 2: That's terrible. You got fair enough. I like what you're
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Speaker 2: speak behind good. You've written today in a similar vein
16:53
Speaker 2: speaking your mind about Malcolm Turnbull, saying that his intervention
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Speaker 2: basically bad mouthing Orcass is a low blow even for Malcolm. Well,
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: I think it's extraordinary. I mean, Malcolm is entitled to
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Speaker 1: his own views as a private citizen and has expressed
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Speaker 1: them publicly as he is entitled to do. But I
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Speaker 1: think to have a former Prime minister discussing at a
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Speaker 1: high level with the American government. What appears to me
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Speaker 1: to be undermining the Orcas Agreement is deeply concerning. It
17:20
Speaker 1: should not be done by former prime minister. Now there
17:23
Speaker 1: are challenges with the Orcas agreement. Is the US going
17:25
Speaker 1: to produce enough subs? Can we get them in time?
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Speaker 1: These are legitimate questions. But I just think Turnbull's intervention
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Speaker 1: here is largely about Turnbull's legacy. Scott Morrison scuttled his
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Speaker 1: preferred submarine.
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Speaker 2: It it feels like payback.
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Speaker 1: It feels like payback, doesn't it. It was the submarine deal.
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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison then went to Orcus to get the nuclear
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Speaker 1: submarines from the US and through the UK arrangement. And
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Speaker 1: I just think, look, if you're going to be a
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Speaker 1: former prime minister, you should follow Tony Abbott, who still
17:50
Speaker 1: makes very meaningful statesmen like contributions to debate, or Julia
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Speaker 1: Gillard who undertakes a lot of very important work in
17:56
Speaker 1: the charity space and elsewhere. But I just think if
17:59
Speaker 1: you're going to keep internal debates and working with a
18:01
Speaker 1: foreign government in that way is just beneath any foreign
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Speaker 1: prime minister, any former prime minister.
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Speaker 2: I think now This one's a tricky one because there's
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Speaker 2: been a case where DNA has been sliced in an embryo,
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Speaker 2: and we now have a situation where a child has
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Speaker 2: been born and we've got children expected in Australia on
18:23
Speaker 2: the way with three parents in their DNA. Now, now,
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Speaker 2: I understand why this has been done so that a
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Speaker 2: hereditary disease doesn't present itself for this newborn child. But
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Speaker 2: do we end up in a situation where there are
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Speaker 2: three parents on a birth certificate? You know, are we
18:40
Speaker 2: going to have you know, thropples and you know, multi
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Speaker 2: marriages down the track where everyone wants to be represented
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Speaker 2: in the offspring. I'm uncomfortable with this, Peter, I'm glad
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Speaker 2: you said that.
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Speaker 8: I'm uncomfortable as well.
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Speaker 9: It may or may not be the right term to me.
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Speaker 9: It's almost like eugenics, right, eugenics. It's it's a very
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Speaker 9: dangerous territory. Eight babies have been born in the United
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Speaker 9: Kingdom using this. I know it is well intentioned. About
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Speaker 9: sixty children a year in Australia areborne. It's to remove
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Speaker 9: the mitochondria, to remove some genetic diseases, but it's also
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Speaker 9: minefields because what's happened is the Australian Medical Futures Research
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Speaker 9: Fund has actually made a fifteen million dollar grant to
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Speaker 9: monash IVF to do this, but the regulator with a
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Speaker 9: lot of that, they hold concerns ethical and clinical concerns
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Speaker 9: as to how this will be implemented.
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Speaker 8: And we've seen earlier this year monash.
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Speaker 9: IVF they had to sult you, they had to report
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Speaker 9: to the Australian Stock Exchange because we ended up with
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Speaker 9: a woman receiving an embryo and giving birth to a
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Speaker 9: stranger's baby. And I just think it's too new. It's
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Speaker 9: just too new. I don't like it. I know that
19:46
Speaker 9: there would be people that say, yes, but it will
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Speaker 9: remove these diseases. Yes, but but what pandora respons.
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Speaker 8: Will it open?
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Okay, with you, I'll over it there,
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right, let's go out on
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Speaker 2: a big win for the offshore win campaigners and a
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Speaker 2: stand against a turbine farm off the coast of Woollongong.
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Speaker 2: Spanish Giant Blue Float Energy was the last developer in
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Speaker 2: the Illawarra offshore wind zone to officially withdraw. Seven other
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Speaker 2: developers have walked away, which critics say confirms the project
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Speaker 2: was flawed from the very beginning. Here to talk us
20:19
Speaker 2: through what's happened a man who's lobbied tirelessly from the
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Speaker 2: very start against it. The spokesman for Responsible Future, Alex O'Brien, Well, Alex,
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Speaker 2: you know I did say to you all the way along,
20:30
Speaker 2: keep fighting, keep fighting, and that you've got the community
20:32
Speaker 2: with you. You absolutely did. But you look at this
20:36
Speaker 2: detail now and about Blue Float, you wonder whether this
20:38
Speaker 2: was almost a speculative scam from the get go for
20:43
Speaker 2: all of these players. What does this tell you about
20:46
Speaker 2: the global renewables sector.
20:49
Speaker 10: Well, it shows that there was a lot of hype
20:52
Speaker 10: about offshore wind and green hydrogen, which was basically the
20:55
Speaker 10: Illawarra project. And you can see here with the parents company,
21:00
Speaker 10: it's been trying to sell Blue Float for over a
21:03
Speaker 10: year now and now it's shutting down its operations around
21:07
Speaker 10: the world as a result of that recent announcement. So
21:11
Speaker 10: it's clear, you know, there are issues with these projects.
21:15
Speaker 10: But look look at who the main end user was
21:18
Speaker 10: going to be. It was going to be blue Scope Steel.
21:21
Speaker 10: But for blue Scope to use floating offshore wind to
21:24
Speaker 10: produce green hydrogen to then make green steel it would
21:28
Speaker 10: have required Blue Scope to increase their energy needs by
21:32
Speaker 10: fifteen times, or the equivalent of the energy from South
21:36
Speaker 10: Australia in its entirety. It would have therefore increased their
21:41
Speaker 10: energy costs from two hundred million a year to five
21:45
Speaker 10: billion per annum. This was a project flowed from the
21:48
Speaker 10: start and it's one we believe of many projects around
21:52
Speaker 10: this country.
21:56
Speaker 2: Given seven other players pulled out in and around the period,
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Speaker 2: and this one has hung on, basically giving a fig
22:05
Speaker 2: leaf to Chris Bowen during the campaign that there was
22:07
Speaker 2: an appetite for offshore wind. It's now gone and not
22:10
Speaker 2: only has it gone out of Villa Ware, it's gone
22:12
Speaker 2: out of Victoria. It's also shut down completely as a
22:15
Speaker 2: commercial entity. What does this tell you? You know, what
22:19
Speaker 2: was their politics at play here? Were they encouraged to
22:22
Speaker 2: stay in the race and the government's policy more broadly,
22:27
Speaker 2: Are there anyone left in the field in Australia for
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Speaker 2: offshore wind?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I think what's concerning here is that we've
22:35
Speaker 10: known that the company was for sale since June last year.
22:40
Speaker 10: We've also we raised concerns in January. When you know
22:44
Speaker 10: Blue Float cut forty percent of its staff at CEO
22:47
Speaker 10: stepped down to remove references to ten global projects, including
22:51
Speaker 10: the Alura, from its website. So this was all again
22:55
Speaker 10: before the election, and a serious question has to be
22:58
Speaker 10: asked about how the Offshore Regulator, even in the first place,
23:03
Speaker 10: recommend to the Minister that Blue Float would be a
23:05
Speaker 10: suitable candidate for a feasibility license. And further to that
23:10
Speaker 10: the Gipsland project that this company had received major project
23:15
Speaker 10: status two months before all this information became public, and
23:20
Speaker 10: you have to ask a question if major project support
23:24
Speaker 10: provides a lot of incentives to a company, again their
23:28
Speaker 10: financial viability and the company's track record would have had
23:32
Speaker 10: to be assessed. So who are making these decisions? Who
23:36
Speaker 10: are making these decisions and risking huge amounts of taxpayer
23:40
Speaker 10: subsidies not just today but in the future. And again
23:44
Speaker 10: this is just one company out of many that are
23:49
Speaker 10: invested in renewable energy projects in this country. So some
23:52
Speaker 10: really serious questions that need to be answered there, Peter.
23:58
Speaker 2: Do we have a ballpark on and what might have
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Speaker 2: been spent on this project or on offshore win in
24:04
Speaker 2: Australia today.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, if we look at the Ilawara again, it
24:09
Speaker 10: was floating offshore wind technology the developer believed it would
24:13
Speaker 10: be fifteen or ten to fifteen billion dollars. Our independent
24:18
Speaker 10: engineers believe that it would at least be two to
24:21
Speaker 10: three times that costs. So we're talking an even worse
24:25
Speaker 10: situation than Snowy Hydro. But then you've also need the
24:29
Speaker 10: port infrastructure, which the state government would have had to provide.
24:32
Speaker 10: Then you've got the transmission upgrades, and then you've got
24:35
Speaker 10: the end user being a blue Scope and there's no
24:39
Speaker 10: way that they would stomach a five billion dollar energy bill,
24:43
Speaker 10: So they would have come to the taxpayer saying, well,
24:46
Speaker 10: if you want us to remain in Australia, you're going
24:49
Speaker 10: to have to subsidize our energy costs each year. So
24:53
Speaker 10: that's again one of the smallest offshore wind zones in Australia.
24:57
Speaker 10: There's five others, and we've seen number of these offshore
25:01
Speaker 10: wind projects linked to our luminium smelters and again a
25:05
Speaker 10: lot of them linked to green hydrogen which was to
25:08
Speaker 10: be exported or to be used for industrial use. So
25:13
Speaker 10: I think, you know, we are talking, you know, multi
25:16
Speaker 10: billion dollar subsidies that would have been paid by the
25:20
Speaker 10: tax payer, and quite simply it would have you know,
25:24
Speaker 10: bankrupt this country made it very tough for future generations.
25:30
Speaker 2: I know you had a big grassroots campaign, Alex, but
25:32
Speaker 2: I think Australians watching tonight would be very grateful to
25:35
Speaker 2: your work, not just at the local front obviously, but
25:38
Speaker 2: for all of us to knock off these these monstrosities
25:42
Speaker 2: off our coast. And the environmental damage is real, the
25:45
Speaker 2: visual pollution is real. Just quickly, I mean, what's your
25:49
Speaker 2: focus going to be going forward now?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, we want to simply just accept the realities
25:54
Speaker 10: of this situation, scrap the zone and look, I think
25:57
Speaker 10: we need to focus you know, for manufacturers like Blue Sko,
26:00
Speaker 10: who are already complaining that energy costs are too high.
26:03
Speaker 10: We need to focus on affordable energy and if there
26:06
Speaker 10: is a transition, we need to work out an alternative.
26:08
Speaker 10: So look, we're very open to those discussions with the
26:11
Speaker 10: government to work out what that path is. But Peter
26:15
Speaker 10: I would say that get rid of the lobbyists and
26:18
Speaker 10: the renewable groups that are pretending to be energy groups
26:21
Speaker 10: and environmental groups but are really just renewable investors out
26:24
Speaker 10: of Canberra. Let energy policy be guided by experts. You know,
26:29
Speaker 10: we've heard it before, but energy is the economy and
26:32
Speaker 10: it's so important we get this right.
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Speaker 2: Not wrong. And there's plenty of those commercial lobbyists hanging
26:40
Speaker 2: around the new South Wild Liberal Party. Let's see if
26:42
Speaker 2: they walk out the door as well. World done, Alex.
26:44
Speaker 2: Congratulations to you and all the people who supported your
26:47
Speaker 2: course after the break. What does a former senior Army
26:51
Speaker 2: officer mak of the PM's China holiday, and if it's
26:53
Speaker 2: a holiday? So as a former US national security advisor
26:56
Speaker 2: who says the Ominezer trunk meeting could actually be to
27:00
Speaker 2: the detriment of an or castile, Welcome back to La calm,
27:07
Speaker 2: the sad state of affairs when veterans are forced to
27:09
Speaker 2: plead with the government to send the minister to the
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Speaker 2: eightieth anniversary of victory in the Pacific. Will speak to
27:15
Speaker 2: a former soldier in a moment now to another soldier
27:19
Speaker 2: coming up now, returning to the PM's official visit to China,
27:22
Speaker 2: his second one and just four years in, offers it's
27:25
Speaker 2: almost over now, the PM flying back tomorrow morning. Yet
27:29
Speaker 2: it's hard not to think the GGPN got exactly everything
27:33
Speaker 2: he would have wanted out of the trip. He's upset
27:35
Speaker 2: the Americans, our Prime Minister's come across as subservient and
27:39
Speaker 2: at least on the face of it, unwilling to raise
27:42
Speaker 2: any of the difficult issues that we should be raising
27:45
Speaker 2: with China. Joining me now for his assessment, former Army
27:48
Speaker 2: Director General, retired Brigadier Ian Langford in thank you for
27:52
Speaker 2: your time. I thought you'd be a really good bookend
27:55
Speaker 2: to this trip to give us some sort of assessment
27:57
Speaker 2: on not just the defense but the TGIC and I
28:02
Speaker 2: guess the Alliance presentational issues after the sixth day? Is it?
28:06
Speaker 2: I mean, am I being too harsh? Was it all
28:08
Speaker 2: Jijimping's win and not much here for Australia. How would
28:11
Speaker 2: you have assessed things?
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Speaker 11: Well, thanks Peter, thanks for having me. I think, I mean,
28:16
Speaker 11: as you outline, a sixth day visit is a significant
28:18
Speaker 11: investment on the part of Australia represented by our Prime Minister,
28:22
Speaker 11: and he went into this really focused on the economy,
28:25
Speaker 11: on trade, on diplomacy. I mean, we've had pandas, we've
28:28
Speaker 11: had Tennis, we've had fashion, we've had still diplomacy. We've
28:33
Speaker 11: had an attempt by our PM to raise the issue
28:35
Speaker 11: of maritime security, particularly as it relates to that Chinese
28:38
Speaker 11: fautilla off our east coast. Some months ago that was
28:41
Speaker 11: politely rebuffed, and I think that's symptomatic of the broader
28:45
Speaker 11: context of this visit. So we've had certainly high level engagement,
28:50
Speaker 11: we've had a reset that has been very polite, but
28:53
Speaker 11: the substantive aspects of the security dimension to our economic
28:57
Speaker 11: relationship with China couple of opportunities. One is perhaps to
29:02
Speaker 11: put this into a broader context, to think about our
29:04
Speaker 11: other allies and partners in the region, to include the
29:07
Speaker 11: effects of the Japanese, the Koreans, and indeed the Americans themselves,
29:11
Speaker 11: and Australia's two way relationship with China. But also maybe
29:14
Speaker 11: even to have a conversation with the Chinese about what
29:18
Speaker 11: national security from Australia's perspective means in Eastern North Asia,
29:22
Speaker 11: and that invariably includes reinforcing the significance of aucas in
29:27
Speaker 11: Australia's national defense strategy and in the context of our
29:31
Speaker 11: broader military alliance, the importance of Australia's national security and
29:35
Speaker 11: economic interests as it relates to being able to trade
29:37
Speaker 11: with China, but also reinforce our security credentials with our
29:41
Speaker 11: major allied partner.
29:45
Speaker 2: You mentioned that reset at the top there, I mean
29:47
Speaker 2: the only reason we've got this economic reset is because
29:49
Speaker 2: we've cowtout right everything they had on that infamous list
29:53
Speaker 2: of demands at the time, you dropping opposition to the
29:56
Speaker 2: Port of Darwin, taking undertaking a review of our speed.
30:01
Speaker 2: There are a whole range of things that we said
30:02
Speaker 2: that we would do and we have done.
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Speaker 12: Now.
30:05
Speaker 2: The only reason he changed his mind on the Port
30:07
Speaker 2: of Darwin and the Prime Minister was caught out the
30:09
Speaker 2: day before the opposition was making an announcement and threw
30:12
Speaker 2: it into an ABC interview. So we've got the reset
30:15
Speaker 2: until such time as China wants to sort of twist
30:19
Speaker 2: the screws, turn the screws on us, which is exactly
30:22
Speaker 2: what happened last time. Now, I spoke to an individual
30:26
Speaker 2: this week who said over fifty times in recent years
30:30
Speaker 2: she has made it public to his people that they
30:33
Speaker 2: must prepare for war. Right, and when pushed on Taiwan
30:38
Speaker 2: on the trip, our Prime Minister is just coming up
30:40
Speaker 2: with lines about supporting the status quo. Give me your
30:43
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Taiwan question.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a really interesting point.
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Speaker 11: I mean, if we go all the way back to
30:50
Speaker 11: the seventeenth to nineteenth Party congresses, whenever President g speaks.
30:55
Speaker 11: He does so in really two aspects. One is to
30:58
Speaker 11: an international audience, signaling China's place in the world, which
31:01
Speaker 11: he sees as almost a unipolar moment in its arise
31:05
Speaker 11: and ascendency eventually over the Americans as per their ambition,
31:08
Speaker 11: by twenty fifty at the latest. And then the other
31:11
Speaker 11: is his communication to his internal constituency, to Communist Party officials,
31:16
Speaker 11: but also to the PLA to get ready and be
31:19
Speaker 11: ready from as early as twenty twenty seven, which again
31:21
Speaker 11: he has made no secret in the context of our
31:24
Speaker 11: Prime minister and his visit this week, equally, I think
31:28
Speaker 11: much of his messaging whil So sensibly has been focused
31:31
Speaker 11: on Chinese diplomacy. It's also been focused on our own
31:35
Speaker 11: domestic audience, and he's tried to really reinforce I think
31:39
Speaker 11: he's economic credentials.
31:40
Speaker 12: He's tried to.
31:41
Speaker 11: Really I guess, make peace and solidify Chinese Australians as
31:44
Speaker 11: really ALP voters moving forward. And the question is how
31:48
Speaker 11: do you reconcile that with the reality of our changing
31:51
Speaker 11: strategic circumstances. We have a national defense strategy that says
31:54
Speaker 11: one thing, and we have diplomacy and other elements of
31:58
Speaker 11: national power that seemingly are acting in contrast. So the
32:01
Speaker 11: future of Australia debate, the future of conflict debate, needs
32:05
Speaker 11: to reconcile the dimensions of our economic and our security
32:08
Speaker 11: relationships across the Indo Pacific, specifically how it relates to
32:13
Speaker 11: China and the US.
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Speaker 2: And there was no coincidence that this was time to
32:21
Speaker 2: occur at the same time as Talisman's Saber, was there?
32:26
Speaker 11: No, I think again. I mean where we saw the
32:28
Speaker 11: Chinese flotilla off the East coast some months ago that
32:31
Speaker 11: also coincided with a visit to this country by the
32:34
Speaker 11: US in a Pacific commander Adiral Paparo. So the Chinese
32:38
Speaker 11: don't stage any of these influence actions without it being
32:42
Speaker 11: choreographed in a broader context. So we have Talisman Saber
32:45
Speaker 11: happening right now. It's forty five thousand troops, it's a
32:49
Speaker 11: sensibly led by the West. It's also occurring coincidental to
32:54
Speaker 11: Chinese maritime militia and what I suspect would be intelligence
32:59
Speaker 11: collection off area East coast by virtue of this activity.
33:03
Speaker 11: And then of course that pressure also culminates, and certainly
33:07
Speaker 11: how the Chinese behave and how diplomacy sort of plays
33:10
Speaker 11: out as part of this visit. So you know, we've
33:12
Speaker 11: got an interesting contrast between diplomacy at the very highest
33:16
Speaker 11: levels of government and in fact that the Americans are
33:19
Speaker 11: conducting in Australia with Australia what some are calling a
33:21
Speaker 11: rehearsal for future conflict in Indo Pacific from as early
33:25
Speaker 11: as twenty twenty seven.
33:28
Speaker 2: Wow. Giving you a take of those comments by former
33:31
Speaker 2: US National Security Advisor John Bolton, He told The Australian
33:37
Speaker 2: that he actually things a meeting between Albany's and Trump
33:39
Speaker 2: right now can backfire and might even scuttle the orchestrale.
33:45
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, John Bolton's been around
33:48
Speaker 11: a long time. He's a near con near conservative. He's
33:52
Speaker 11: very much part of the Republican establishment, albeit not part
33:55
Speaker 11: of the Maga constituency. But his comments I think sit
34:00
Speaker 11: in the context of there being some sort of public
34:04
Speaker 11: engagement between President Trump and Prime Minister Albanezi and where
34:08
Speaker 11: it to go south that might have ramifications for how
34:12
Speaker 11: the President thinks about UCUS going forward. So I think
34:15
Speaker 11: he's stressing that the hard work in the foreign policy
34:18
Speaker 11: and defense establishment needs to be done now we need
34:21
Speaker 11: to be sort of really working the Congress and the
34:23
Speaker 11: Senate and the US Australian relationship outside the key leaders
34:28
Speaker 11: really needs to cement and consolidate what orcus means. And
34:32
Speaker 11: so that means that eventually when out the two leaders meet,
34:35
Speaker 11: they can have a conversation which pretty much the risks
34:38
Speaker 11: aucus should.
34:39
Speaker 12: It go wrong.
34:42
Speaker 2: We'll see if that happens. In Thanks for analysispentrific after
34:46
Speaker 2: the break and win Veterans as the Minister's drag kicking
34:48
Speaker 2: and screaming to attend a commemorative event us a bit
34:51
Speaker 2: later on, even more division inside labor when it comes
34:54
Speaker 2: to how the government deals with the antisemitism. Their response
34:57
Speaker 2: is to now hold back on the report from Gillian
35:00
Speaker 2: Siegel while they're waiting another report on Islamophobia. Welcome back
35:09
Speaker 2: coming up. We'll try and get to the bottom of
35:10
Speaker 2: what's going on this mega movement fight or stoush or
35:15
Speaker 2: war about the Epstein files. I'm struggling to follow it,
35:18
Speaker 2: but coach of guards all over it. But first two
35:21
Speaker 2: weeks after my next guest pointed out that the federal
35:23
Speaker 2: government's glaring omission of not sending anyone from the Ministry
35:27
Speaker 2: to the eightieth anniversary victory in the Pacific, a day
35:30
Speaker 2: that dignitaries from around the world would go to Townsville.
35:34
Speaker 2: Well they've changed their mind. There's been in about face
35:36
Speaker 2: from labor and suddenly the Veterans Affairs ministers found some
35:41
Speaker 2: time in his diary here to explain what happened. Liberal
35:44
Speaker 2: MP and shadow Assistant Minister for Defense Phil Thompson. Phil,
35:48
Speaker 2: great to have you on the program. I mean, eightieth
35:51
Speaker 2: anniversaries are big, but the eightieth anniversary victory in the Pacific,
35:55
Speaker 2: it's a big deal. So I'm thrilled to score this
35:58
Speaker 2: win for common sense. Should never have been in it,
36:02
Speaker 2: should never be in a debate, It should never have
36:06
Speaker 2: been an event that wasn't in the diary in the
36:09
Speaker 2: first place.
36:13
Speaker 13: Correct, And we wrote to I wrote to the Minister
36:16
Speaker 13: Matt Keo prior to the election asking for his support,
36:20
Speaker 13: and we didn't make it political.
36:22
Speaker 12: We didn't tell anyone about it. We just went directly
36:24
Speaker 12: to him.
36:25
Speaker 13: The election came and went and heard nothing, and so
36:30
Speaker 13: we went back to the minister and I thought, you know,
36:32
Speaker 13: we've got several weeks to go until we've got VP eighty.
36:36
Speaker 12: We've got dgnitaries from around the world.
36:38
Speaker 13: We've got Word War two veterans coming their families in
36:41
Speaker 13: the largest garrison city in the country. It will educate
36:43
Speaker 13: the younger generation. And we still haven't heard anything from
36:47
Speaker 13: the Labor Minister. So I pulled him out from hiding
36:50
Speaker 13: under his desk into the light. And when you know
36:53
Speaker 13: you need to get involved, on you to answer to
36:54
Speaker 13: the Australian people and the people of towns will.
36:57
Speaker 12: Will you be here, will you support it or not?
37:00
Speaker 13: Now he's come out after we gave him a bit
37:02
Speaker 13: of a touch up in the media publicly and has
37:06
Speaker 13: committed to it. But the really good thing out of
37:10
Speaker 13: this is the VP eighty Commemorative Group, the working group
37:14
Speaker 13: here in Towns all Jeff Jimison, Johnny Bean. This is
37:17
Speaker 13: their win for the community. I just did my job,
37:19
Speaker 13: which was holding them to account. But at the end
37:21
Speaker 13: of the day, it shouldn't be a matter of what
37:23
Speaker 13: color shared I wear or he wears.
37:25
Speaker 12: This is VP eighty, this is victory in the Pacific.
37:27
Speaker 13: It's the celebration or the end of World War Two,
37:30
Speaker 13: and he should have been involved from the start.
37:34
Speaker 2: And it just comes down to respect. Phil I mean,
37:36
Speaker 2: these are the things that go in your diary when
37:38
Speaker 2: you are a new minister, as they are just after
37:40
Speaker 2: winning government, you lock all of these things. I mean
37:42
Speaker 2: if a PM can lock in a visit to China,
37:44
Speaker 2: but goodness me that the Veterans Minister can get up
37:46
Speaker 2: to towns full put your other hat on your other
37:49
Speaker 2: hat as the NDS shadow minister. A couple of things here.
37:54
Speaker 2: Last week there was a report that the head of
37:56
Speaker 2: the NDIS is on long term sick leave. We don't
38:00
Speaker 2: know really any of the ins and outs there. There's
38:03
Speaker 2: some serious questions following an audit. The chair of the
38:07
Speaker 2: organizations refusing to answer any of those questions. And today
38:11
Speaker 2: there's reports that are confidential National Disability Insurance Agency briefing.
38:16
Speaker 2: So this is the NDIA. Their briefing is revealed that
38:19
Speaker 2: Labour's got to ignore all the disability advocates that says
38:22
Speaker 2: it's got to push on with the reforms otherwise it
38:26
Speaker 2: will keep growing exponentially. Now, I agree the rats and
38:30
Speaker 2: the scams that plague the NAS have got to come
38:33
Speaker 2: to an end. But I'll tell you what you know.
38:35
Speaker 2: I want to see that the severely disabled get the
38:38
Speaker 2: support they were promised, weed out the shysters. But it
38:42
Speaker 2: feels like the government's going all one way one way
38:45
Speaker 2: and then all the other way or the other, and
38:47
Speaker 2: I'm worried that people are going to miss out in
38:48
Speaker 2: the middle.
38:51
Speaker 13: You're right, and you know it breaks my heart when
38:55
Speaker 13: I speak to families who feel like their children are
38:58
Speaker 13: an inconvenient dollar figure on the labor government's budget bottom line.
39:02
Speaker 13: Because everything that's changing is cuts to services, cuts to
39:06
Speaker 13: early intervention. It's not where the focus of the government
39:10
Speaker 13: should be. It should be on these multinational, massive organizations
39:14
Speaker 13: that are ripping off the taxpayer, that are robbing the
39:18
Speaker 13: people that need the services. We need to make sure
39:20
Speaker 13: we punish them and publicly punish them, and make sure
39:23
Speaker 13: they can't phoenix that business to go start another one
39:26
Speaker 13: and do the same thing. Celebrate those awesome organizations in
39:30
Speaker 13: the middle that are doing everything they can to support
39:33
Speaker 13: our most vulnerable.
39:34
Speaker 12: But first and foremost, we must.
39:36
Speaker 13: Have any sort of changes or any reform has to
39:39
Speaker 13: have the participant and their families at the forefront of
39:42
Speaker 13: their mind. Now everyone talks about sustainability, well, sustainability isn't
39:47
Speaker 13: about the budget of the NDAs. The sustainability is making
39:51
Speaker 13: sure that we are supporting those on the scheme, making
39:54
Speaker 13: sure that they have the support now and going into
39:58
Speaker 13: the future.
39:58
Speaker 12: And you need to to.
40:00
Speaker 13: Absolutely go after those ripping and robbing people and absolutely
40:04
Speaker 13: kick them in their guts by not punishing those people
40:07
Speaker 13: who need these services. I asked for this portfolio. I
40:10
Speaker 13: intend to really support those that are on it, but
40:14
Speaker 13: also also go after these businesses that have done the
40:17
Speaker 13: wrong thing.
40:19
Speaker 2: Good only Phil. I'm really thrill that you took it on,
40:21
Speaker 2: because it needs someone who's got a bit of strength
40:24
Speaker 2: behind them. I'm looking at your backdrop behind you were
40:26
Speaker 2: thinking how nice and warm and he is up in Townsville,
40:28
Speaker 2: but you won't be warm next week when you're back
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Speaker 2: at Canberra. Great to speak with you. We'll speak to
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Speaker 2: you again soon after break. The worrying sign that some
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Speaker 2: labor and ps are more protected with more concerned with
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Speaker 2: protecting their seats than stamping out rising anti Semitis and
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Speaker 2: plus more drama over these Epstein files. Welcome back now
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Speaker 2: to the autrocious decision by labored a release failed to
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Speaker 2: release now delay their response to the anti Semitis and report. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: the Education Minister Jason Claire said he would wait until
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Speaker 2: he got a similar report on stamping out I have
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Speaker 2: to say near nonexistent Islamophobia. Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: I'm saying that we're considering it carefully.
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Speaker 4: We've got to consult.
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Speaker 7: As part of that, I want to see what the
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Speaker 7: Special Envoy on Islamophobia has to say as well.
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Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I think that's the.
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Speaker 2: Right thing to do. As I said last night, thirty
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Speaker 2: sent Muslim in his seat of Blaxland. Well, now the
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Speaker 2: former minister ed Hughesick. He's gone one better. He's been
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Speaker 2: branding aspects of the plant heavy handed. Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: I would be very careful. I would much prefer us
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Speaker 14: finding ways to bring people together rather than being heavy handed.
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Speaker 14: In response, I think I'd be concerned. The suggestion that
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Speaker 14: young people are, as a report is suggesting, at risk
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Speaker 14: of becoming fully fledged anti Semite studio missing disinformation, I
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Speaker 14: think runs the risk of being a bit too sweeping.
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Speaker 2: My Thursday Night International panel Skye is contribute Kosher Gada,
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Speaker 2: former Labor and p Michael Danby will get onto the
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Speaker 2: international stuff. This is an international story because we're marked
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Speaker 2: around the world as a bunch of anity Semites given
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Speaker 2: what's been going on. But I mean heavy handed, I
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Speaker 2: reckon burning down synagogues is heavy handed, I reckon, you know,
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Speaker 2: Blockading restaurants is heavy handed. What's going on inside labor.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 15: It's disgusting. I mean if mosques were being burnt down,
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Speaker 15: if Muslim childcare centers were being arsened, if people were
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Speaker 15: being attacked in restaurants in his electorate, Ed who's originally
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Speaker 15: a Bosnian Moslim, would demand action. Instead, you've got him
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Speaker 15: and Jason clear, delay, delayed, delay, do nothing. There's no urgency.
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Speaker 15: They don't feel this on their backs, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 15: if it was, they should take action. Peter just I
42:55
Speaker 15: think by in action they show what kind of people
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Speaker 15: they are.
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Speaker 2: Just to show we put our money where our mouth
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Speaker 2: has got a picture to go up on the screen.
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Speaker 2: We went to see Miss Non restaurant, went to Express
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Speaker 2: Solidary have a meal with them on Monday night. We
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Speaker 2: wouldn't normally publicize it. There it is on the screen.
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Speaker 2: There's whole bunch of us there, of good people. But
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Speaker 2: of course the age couldn't help themselves and have a
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Speaker 2: bit of a din that were there. But we should
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Speaker 2: support restaurants like this and be treated as badly as
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Speaker 2: they were.
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Speaker 15: And the revelation in the age. The week before, I
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Speaker 15: took a group of labor people. I mean, so I
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Speaker 15: took some people from sky, So what you know, I
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Speaker 15: mean really the age? You know, look in the mirror.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to this whole brew haha. Over these
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Speaker 2: Epstein files, I mean I followed it up until the
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Speaker 2: point that the president was elected and he was going
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Speaker 2: to release them. Then they weren't released, and there was
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Speaker 2: parts that were redacted. But now it's just gone down
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Speaker 2: this sort of burrow that I'm struggling to follow it,
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Speaker 2: unpack it all for me, Kosher.
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Speaker 16: I think there's three things happening that are simultaneously all true,
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Speaker 16: though they may not appear aligned. One is Trump is
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Speaker 16: refrustrated with this. That's what he's trying to sweep it
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Speaker 16: under the He's saying, let's move on. I had nothing
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Speaker 16: to do with this. He's a horrible guy who had
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Speaker 16: these horrible proclivities. I'm saving the country, I'm saving the world.
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Speaker 2: Focus on that.
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Speaker 16: It's also true that his base is fractured around that issue,
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Speaker 16: whichhall come to in a second. But because of that,
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Speaker 16: Democrats are making hay of it because they see there's
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Speaker 16: a rare opportunity to go in and drive a wedge,
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Speaker 16: which they're doing. Why it matters to the base though
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Speaker 16: it is fundamentally it's about transparency and accountability and not
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Speaker 16: believing the lines that are given to us through government
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Speaker 16: in general, because on the merits there are many questions
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Speaker 16: about this that remain unanswered that people care about. How
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Speaker 16: did he amass his wealth, what were the circumstances of
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Speaker 16: his death, Why was that one minute of footage from
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Speaker 16: the prison missing a minute before midnight? Who were these
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Speaker 16: alleged co conspirators in whichever way, and all of that,
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Speaker 16: and for them to just sweep it under the rug. Pambondi,
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Speaker 16: the AG really kind of botched the messaging around it
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Speaker 16: and said one thing leading up to it and then
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Speaker 16: on a Friday just did this dump. It has a
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Speaker 16: lot of people very angry, and it's a rare time
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Speaker 16: where I see Trump out of step with his base
44:55
Speaker 16: a little bit and kind of attacking his own base,
44:57
Speaker 16: which is unlike him.
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Speaker 2: And so if as he says, there's nothing to see here,
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Speaker 2: it's a minor sort of thing, but you know, okay,
45:04
Speaker 2: put it all out there. Just put it all out there.
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Speaker 16: And since they don't, then you're still the void. And
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Speaker 16: people are like, you know, who is involved and who
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Speaker 16: are these important people that he's protecting, And there's his
45:13
Speaker 16: name in there, is somebody else's name in there, and
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Speaker 16: all that stuff is just bubbling up. So I think
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Speaker 16: the story is not going to go away. He's helping
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Speaker 16: it well, but I think more disclosure is probably coming.
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Speaker 16: That's the only way to tamp it down.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about this on Monday night. You know
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Speaker 2: she's done that. Sorry, when we were out all of
45:28
Speaker 2: these podcasts that we're both getting into that are going through.
45:32
Speaker 2: Just how amazing that stealth bomber raid was on Iran.
45:39
Speaker 2: I mean, movies are going to be made about this stuff, right.
45:41
Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic that we've taken out that nuclear arsenal,
45:45
Speaker 2: but that's not the only stories. Some amazing individuals, Catherine
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Speaker 2: Perez Shuktum, this woman who was profile Michael in the
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Speaker 2: UK Telegraph, or so to my audience at home, if you
45:55
Speaker 2: can get your hands on the story, it is phenomenal.
45:58
Speaker 2: There'll be movies made about this woman. Give us a
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Speaker 2: bit of a snapshot.
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Speaker 15: Of what she gives Mattahari a new you know, how
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Speaker 15: did they know where all of these Iranian generals or
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Speaker 15: scientists or et cetera, were because this woman was inveigled
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Speaker 15: into the top reaches of the Iranian she Eite government
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Speaker 15: and she became one of them and deep cover, and
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Speaker 15: she got out just in time. The important thing for
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Speaker 15: I think strategist to consider is she focused on all
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Speaker 15: of the hardline she Eite government but left the civilian
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Speaker 15: parts of it and the civilian infrastructure untouched. So that
46:44
Speaker 15: means Iran can go and negotiate with Trump and have
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Speaker 15: a prosperous future, or it can continue to go down
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Speaker 15: this as you described with Epstein, this rabbit hole of fanaticism.
46:57
Speaker 15: So they have the choices before them, and this this
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Speaker 15: incredible brave I mean, imagine being a woman who who.
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Speaker 2: Is willing to do Imagine being a woman getting that
47:08
Speaker 2: level of access. That surprised me that she was on
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Speaker 2: the cleric side and not the sort of the civil
47:13
Speaker 2: infrastructure of the governance of the country. So that's extraordinary.
47:18
Speaker 2: But if you've ever seen a public hanging in a run,
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Speaker 2: and I've had the misfortune of having to watch that footage,
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Speaker 2: what they would have done to her, the risk to
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Speaker 2: her life every single moment she was there can't be
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Speaker 2: all resteeded.
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Speaker 16: It's incredible brevery and there it feels like an episode
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Speaker 16: of twenty four or one of those shows.
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Speaker 15: Or Run, which isn't the third series hasn't come out yet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary, isn't it. Absolutely?
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Speaker 16: And that alone, I think we're making late in terms
47:48
Speaker 16: of the movie making. But I think this is like
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Speaker 16: a Jessica Chastein's You're a Dark thirty type of blockbuster
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Speaker 16: in the making.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, And Peter and Kasher, it doesn't finished yet because
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Speaker 15: there are mysterious gas plants blowing up all over Tehran,
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Speaker 15: and as long as that government is concentrating and building
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Speaker 15: a nuclear weapon that could threaten the rest of the region,
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Speaker 15: that that activity is going to continue, Maybe not with
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Speaker 15: that brilliant woman, but.
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Speaker 10: Continue.
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Speaker 2: Well. The whole world is very grateful to her tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you both for your time. That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: Up next, James McPherson filly in for Andrew Bolt