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  Speaker 1: A lot of the.
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  Speaker 2: Little set and individual loss. This is the book show,
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  Speaker 2: all right, everybody, welcome to her one bookshow on this
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  Speaker 2: h It's Saturday, August twenty second. I am in Barcelona
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  Speaker 2: and uh it's what is it? It's nine pm here?
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  Speaker 2: But we we today have our Ammy hangar. We've got
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer and online with us. We'll see who else joins
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  Speaker 2: over time. I guess these are the some adult rooms.
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  Speaker 2: That seems like the number of people engaged has gone
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  Speaker 2: down this month, but we'll see if well, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: It's Catherine right, all right. Uh so we'll do around
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  Speaker 2: with a panel and then we'll see if we have
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  Speaker 2: any super chats. We'll go to the super chat. Those
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  Speaker 2: of you who are on life can ask questions and
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  Speaker 2: just use the super chat feature on your phone on
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  Speaker 2: your computer. All right, let's start with Jennifer.
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  Speaker 3: When I used to when I first started reading philosophy,
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  Speaker 3: like that woman that you talked about yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: You read that article that you.
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  Speaker 3: Read this stuff and it's so complicated it doesn't make
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  Speaker 3: any sense. And then when I read I ran, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, this makes sense. It's it's and you know
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  Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't stupid, but I thought this makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: So I wonder.
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  Speaker 3: I used to wonder those other people. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if they do this purpose consciously, but like they try
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  Speaker 3: to make it all complicated and make you think like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not smart enough to get this, so they must
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  Speaker 3: know more than I do or something.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, Yeah, I mean part
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  Speaker 2: of it is that, over many many years, like decades,
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  Speaker 2: academa just creates its own language. They talk to one another,
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  Speaker 2: they build up their own vocabulary. They create a certain
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  Speaker 2: way of speaking and a way of arguing, in a
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  Speaker 2: way of debating. And it's not new, and particularly with
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  Speaker 2: kind of I think analytical analytical philosophy, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: there are ways in which you make in arguments and
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  Speaker 2: you structure it in a particular way and and and
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  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily related to reality, right. I mean. One
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  Speaker 2: of the things that that makes Rands so understandable is
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  Speaker 2: she connects everything to reality. She compatizes everything, She she
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  Speaker 2: connects everything to facts. And they don't have that parstially
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  Speaker 2: because the whole idea of connecting things to facts is
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  Speaker 2: I think I mentioned this yesterday. It's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: primacy of existence orientation and you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: most people necessarily have that. So a lot of logic
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  Speaker 2: and reason to them is mind games. So they've created
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  Speaker 2: this language. They all talk it, they talk to one another.
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  Speaker 2: They don't think that's weird because everybody around them talks
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  Speaker 2: that way. They teach their students to talk that way,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And and and you know this, they think
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  Speaker 2: they're the ones engaged in reasoning and that we are
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  Speaker 2: superficial and uh and and because we don't engage at that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the way that they do. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just it's it's just when you get a PhD,
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  Speaker 2: you learn this language, you learn how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: You had to write your dissertation that way, you make
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  Speaker 2: presentation in front of colleagues that way, and you're just
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  Speaker 2: trained into it. And it's very difficult for academics to
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  Speaker 2: break out of it. Once in a while, you mean
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  Speaker 2: academic like in philosophy and they talk English and you go, wow, cool,
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  Speaker 2: this is so cool, But then you see them make
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  Speaker 2: a presentation on a philosophical issue and it's completely lost.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I knew a guy who was a chairman
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  Speaker 2: of the department, really really nice guy. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy you'd like to hang out with. He's
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  Speaker 2: a philosopher, and it spoke English most of the time,
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  Speaker 2: and then when I start give him presentation, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: what is he talking about? Yep? So so yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's conscious, it's it's again, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's something that's that's been going on for two hundred years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, go back to con can you? Thank God?
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  Speaker 2: Reading Conc is like I can't understand him. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 3: And then this is I just thought, there's the criticism
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  Speaker 3: no uses Iron and she was quote simplistic.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and Hegel is actually worse than Con. So
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  Speaker 2: Hegel's even less understandable than Con. And yet people love
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. Right, thanks, Jennifer, I'm done.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're on a little ball agoing. You talked,
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  Speaker 4: and you talked a few times about visiting my countries
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  Speaker 4: as Middle East and Cuba and things like that, and
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  Speaker 4: I think with Cuba you had specifically mentioned about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the reasons that you wouldn't go is you're giving money
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  Speaker 4: to the government basically when you when you build So
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  Speaker 4: despite your despite your view, actually I did do a
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  Speaker 4: trip with my brother and his two young kids as
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  Speaker 4: a boys trip. We went to the Middle East a
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  Speaker 4: few months ago in June, kind of right in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of all the things being thrown at Dubai. Oh wow, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: the time he worked out great. So we had a
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  Speaker 4: great time. And I mean one of the one of
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  Speaker 4: the reasons that we went was, you know, we wanted
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  Speaker 4: to expose the boys and ourselves to here's a different
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  Speaker 4: culture and and and you know, okay, we didn't live there.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't understand the day to day stuff, but you
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  Speaker 4: could see the difference in attitude among people. Definitely, the
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  Speaker 4: the Arabs that are there, I have to or the
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  Speaker 4: people that are citizens there, they have an arrogance that's
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah, quite amazing actually. But just know, in terms
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  Speaker 4: of like general one of the things I found, and
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've noticed this in your travels,
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  Speaker 4: is you know, the easy going way that people will
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  Speaker 4: at like playgrounds and stuff interact with each other doesn't
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  Speaker 4: happen there. Like most people, they just kind of didn't
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  Speaker 4: look at you. They don't make eye contacts, smiling and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's hard, like I think in many places. When
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  Speaker 4: we had one conversation with somebody who lived there. But
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  Speaker 4: the other thing too is you know, we didn't we
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel that we were directly giving them money to
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  Speaker 4: the government and they were primarily dealing with you know,
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  Speaker 4: like private, private individuals. And and I tell you, I
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  Speaker 4: haven't felt safer in a lot of places, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like like clean, organized.
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  Speaker 2: And beautiful skyscrapers, yeah, beautiful streets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. And you know, so I can I
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  Speaker 4: can see the appeal I think on the surface that
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  Speaker 4: people have when they say, oh, it's a great place
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  Speaker 4: to live and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I I get it. And Dubai is
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  Speaker 2: not Cubis. I don't think your money's going to the government.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a there's a real private sector there. There
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  Speaker 2: is private property, you know, it's it's it's dependent on
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  Speaker 2: the sheikh upholding it. But but uh, there is probably
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  Speaker 2: there's no constitution, there is private property. And yes, I
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  Speaker 2: don't see any problem for people to visit Dubai.
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  Speaker 4: I would We did go to kat and Omana, so
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  Speaker 4: you went to what guitar Bahrain and.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you did go to katarah and Oman. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean I have no problem with that. I mean Katsa
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  Speaker 2: is a little different because I think Kato is actively
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  Speaker 2: engaged in working against the United States and against our interests,
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  Speaker 2: and and there was kind of an enemy. But Dubai
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  Speaker 2: is not, and Oman is not. Isman is pretty insignificant,
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  Speaker 2: Bahrain is not I think to destroy two days ago
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  Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, I mean added to the adamant to
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  Speaker 2: the list. And there's a long list of countries Trump
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  Speaker 2: could destroy. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't go because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've said, think somebody is Slam and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to give anybody an excuse right to
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  Speaker 2: come after me. And while it might be safe, there
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  Speaker 2: are elements of radical Islam and all these punt particularly
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  Speaker 2: kat Is the hub of the Muslim brotherhood. So I
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  Speaker 2: slowly wouldn't go there. I don't know if I'm on
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  Speaker 2: a list, probably not. I'm probably too small. But why
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  Speaker 2: why would I even take take a risk? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think I've told the story about the Malaysia. This
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  Speaker 2: is years ago. This after nine to eleven. I met
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  Speaker 2: a kid in I think at Oxford in England, and
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  Speaker 2: he said, hey, you should come to Malaysia to give
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  Speaker 2: a talk, and and he contacted me and actually from Malaysia.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, you know, I can arrange your talk
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  Speaker 2: for you here and you can come and talk in Malaysia.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I want you to go back
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  Speaker 2: to the people and and I want you to ask
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  Speaker 2: them if they can guarantee my safety, guarantee my SI cuity.
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  Speaker 2: And and he came back two weeks later and he said,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we should do the talking Singapore. So and as Malaysia. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that's the other side of the world. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I'm on the list. I just would rather
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  Speaker 2: no risk it. But I understand the appeal. It's it's beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's modern, it's high tech, it's the skyscrapers are astounding.
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  Speaker 2: Israelis go there all the time. I mean, last time
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  Speaker 2: I was flew into Tel Aviv. There will more Dubai airline,
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  Speaker 2: you know, airline, you know, airplanes on the ground than
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  Speaker 2: than all. I mean. Israeli's love going there because they
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  Speaker 2: love you know, they can spend their money there, they
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  Speaker 2: can bring back. I guess it's fairly cheap. And but
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think Israelis are really safe there,
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  Speaker 2: not not really. And I and here's the thing, that
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  Speaker 2: arrogance that you said the Arabs have, that's the arrogance
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  Speaker 2: that we should worry about. That's their confidence to some
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  Speaker 2: extent that they.
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  Speaker 5: Will rule the world.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, God has given it to them, and
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  Speaker 2: and I don't I don't want to be in that presence.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of places around the world, I
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  Speaker 2: mean you know this, I mean a lot of places
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  Speaker 2: you can take kids to appreciate other cultures. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: particularly Asia. I think you know, Japan, South Korea, Thailand,
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  Speaker 2: all these places they're not I mean Japan and South
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  Speaker 2: Korea as safe as you know, Dubai, maybe not as clean,
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  Speaker 2: but as safe. And anyway, Yeah, I get going there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with that. I just I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, completely understand and I and I get it.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, there was there's definitely times where that
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  Speaker 4: arrogance was starting to piss me off. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like like one case, a very quick example, like you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were in this kind of crowded as square or
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  Speaker 4: they had stuff in gloss, very nice, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: these guys were like they're almost running over my nephew
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  Speaker 4: because it's like, you know, like get out of the
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  Speaker 4: way Kit and I just you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 4: like forcefully put myself into between. I said, okay, you
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  Speaker 4: want to push me, like you know, like, okay, you
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  Speaker 4: can push a nine year old, but how would you
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  Speaker 4: try with me? You know kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that kind of and that can behavior can
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  Speaker 2: happen in lots of places around the world.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like the Russians are.
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  Speaker 2: Bad, yes, but there and in Russia, I would be
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  Speaker 2: very I'd be worried about standing up to them.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I had these ultra religious Jews behave that
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  Speaker 2: way LTD Jews on a plane in landing in Poland,
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  Speaker 2: and I got so upset. I mean I yelled at
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  Speaker 2: these guys and and forced them to back off. And
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  Speaker 2: I can do that. I mean, well, nothing's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But if it was, if it was if I was
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  Speaker 2: in if I was in Dubai, or if I I
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  Speaker 2: was in Moscow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, no, I mean yeah, like in this case,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna physically get into it, like okay, chances
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  Speaker 4: I would have to come out good into this. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was just establishing a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a boundary, just to see what would happen, and they
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  Speaker 4: did back down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Usually usually bullies do back down.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, good, thanks someone Catherine, Catherine, Catherine, you muted?
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  Speaker 2: Should I skip over, Catherine? Let's skip over? Wait?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, can you skip over me and come back to
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  Speaker 7: me in the next round.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Sure, Okay, thank you. Jacob.
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  Speaker 8: You're here in sunny California.
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  Speaker 2: All right, the sun is right behind you. You're better now,
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  Speaker 2: but before the sun was right behind you blaming me.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's alin. So it's warm here. The house is
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  Speaker 8: eighty two, and we're getting used to it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So congratulations in moving to California.
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  Speaker 4: You so.
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  Speaker 2: But but yes, August August can be pretty hot in California.
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  Speaker 2: But you've got a conditioning m.
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  Speaker 9: We do, but we're we stretch for a budget for
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  Speaker 9: the house, or we're trying to see what the budget
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  Speaker 9: is before we.
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  Speaker 8: Start using it. So trying to get a natural ventilation first.
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  Speaker 2: Expensive in California. Yep. Uh.
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  Speaker 9: So the question I had was what listening to Henry
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  Speaker 9: Hazlitt's book on the Way On Down, and I was
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  Speaker 9: after listening to it, I was like, what is the
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  Speaker 9: purpose of this book? Because it's nice to have more information.
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  Speaker 9: You're better able to make connections between what people say
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  Speaker 9: and the fallacies. But the fallacies are known, everyone knows them.
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  Speaker 9: You spend five minutes and you can say, hey, here's
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  Speaker 9: a fallacy you're doing that. People will still do it
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  Speaker 9: because morally they say we need to do this policy,
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  Speaker 9: and then that's just going to override any logic or
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  Speaker 9: any response to the conversation. So it's it's nice to
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  Speaker 9: have the information, but I think the more I read it,
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  Speaker 9: the more I was like, or listen to it, the
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  Speaker 9: more I was like, this is nice to have, but
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  Speaker 9: it's not going to convince or it's not going to
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  Speaker 9: make any actual change in the world until you can say, hey,
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  Speaker 9: you shouldn't have the you shouldn't be able to take
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  Speaker 9: someone else's property rights, or you shouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 9: infringe on their freedom and association.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that's absolutely true that without the mal arguments,
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  Speaker 2: the philosophical arguments, we're not going to make any real
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  Speaker 2: progress in terms of changing the world. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's true that everybody knows the fallacies, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it often opens people's eyes when you actually articulate the
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  Speaker 2: fallacies to them. The more honest people at least have
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  Speaker 2: to say at that point, okay, well something's wrong, and
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  Speaker 2: that opens up a possibility of then having engaging them
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  Speaker 2: with the more fundamental ideas. I mean, it's shocking, how
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  Speaker 2: you know. Basically it is one fallacy which he explains,
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  Speaker 2: which is the broken window fallacy, and everything else is
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  Speaker 2: a broken window fallacy. And it's amazing how many people
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  Speaker 2: buy into the broken window fallacy of one soda or another.
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  Speaker 2: And just pointing out people's inconsistency and understanding it and
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  Speaker 2: knowing it is important. I remember also, he wrote this
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven, I think, so he wroted early
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  Speaker 2: when a lot of economic knowledge was not available.
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  Speaker 8: He did at least the version I listened to an
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  Speaker 8: update I think thirty eight years later. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 8: a review on the past knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he did. He did updates. And you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was an economics write in the New York Times. He
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: was the New York Times Economic ops. Fun imagine imagine
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  Speaker 2: a laz fe guy like him being the New York
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  Speaker 2: Times economics write back then. He didn't change the world
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  Speaker 2: by doing that. But but so, but you need everything. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's not one dimension. It's not we'll somehow
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  Speaker 2: convince everybody that individual rights and and it'll all be over.
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  Speaker 2: You have to attack it from a variety of different angles.
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  Speaker 2: Different people respond to different arguments. At the end, you
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  Speaker 2: need the entire package, and you need to get to
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  Speaker 2: the moral fundamentals. But not everybody's gonna come at it
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  Speaker 2: from the from the from from morality. And and you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the transition from where we are today to where
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  Speaker 2: we want to be, we're gonna need good economists who
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  Speaker 2: explain the economics of of of what's going on and
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  Speaker 2: why the policies don't work, and what policies actually will work.
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  Speaker 9: And in the book you mentioned a whole lot on
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  Speaker 9: purchasing price parody, and that was probably every page or
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  Speaker 9: every other page it would bring up the purchasing price parity,
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  Speaker 9: which I know what that is.
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  Speaker 8: Was that a lot more common back in.
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  Speaker 9: The day of comparing during the purchasing price of this currency,
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  Speaker 9: that currency, or if you go.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember, I can't remember that big of an
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  Speaker 2: emphasis in the book on it. But my guess is
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  Speaker 2: he's arguing for free trade and purchasing about parady is
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  Speaker 2: one of the ways to argue for free trade, or
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  Speaker 2: at least to show the economic fallacy involved in And
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  Speaker 2: so my guess is he's writing at the end of
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  Speaker 2: World War two, tariffs are very high across the board.
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  Speaker 2: Last time there was free trade was pre World War One,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so it's a long time, and there's an argument.
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  Speaker 2: He's part of the group that's making an argument for
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  Speaker 2: free trade. And look at that font. You have to
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  Speaker 2: give him credit. They won, right, So free trade became
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  Speaker 2: until Trump, free trade became kind of the acceptable. This
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  Speaker 2: is what we're moving towards, this is what we want.
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  Speaker 2: You know. They didn't do it all at once like
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  Speaker 2: we would like, but they were at least moving in
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  Speaker 2: that direction. So they won that argument. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: until Trump reversed it all. And yeah, but even there,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to get fully until you understand individualism
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  Speaker 2: and you understand uh, you know, your right to trade
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  Speaker 2: with whoever you want. It's not the government's business.
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  Speaker 4: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks and then for online uh In Asia also considered
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  Speaker 9: Taiwan to visit to.
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  Speaker 2: Taiwan, I'd like to visit. I've never been in Taiwan.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: I'll be there in April for Honeyman dinner cool and
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: honeymoon cool.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Part of the part of the reason why we went
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: to the Middle East was our respective spouses didn't want
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to go, So this was a place we could go
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: where they didn't want to go.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: There, you go the trip there, You that tells you
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: something that the spouses don't want to go. Yeah, and legitimately, well,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: My wife was a little bit jealous after she's got
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: a pictures and stuff. Yeah, because we did that fun.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: That's good. Yes, it is surprising. I've never been to Taiwan,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: but I'd really like to go. I've never been. There's
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: never been anybody who's invited me to come speak there,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And it's surprising, but doesn't never new.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: A connection one day. It's spend a couple of days
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: as ladies.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's a very vibrant city. It's my
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: first time in a major Asian city.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: But it was very vibrant, very lively.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: Everyone was nice and play The cab drivers were cab drivers.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: But I really loved it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Good. I've been so many many other Asian cities
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: but never there. All right, Andrews joined us. Hey, Andrew,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: are you doing your own Pretty good? Pretty good? How
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: about you.
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: I'm good, good, thank you for scolding me for watching
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: them Canda Sow and show clips. It somehow got started
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: getting you know obviously, well, part of the problem is
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: I'm unemployed right now, which is a situation that's ending
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: student thankfully, but you know, definitely spell down the social
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: media rabbit hole.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I'd you rather watch kittens than candas own and I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have no I have nothing to do with kittens.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think I was getting talker. I was getting
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: canvass O in.
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: They really put me in a box that was like
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: a little scary, but it did. You know, there's some
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: there's some like uh, dark curiosity that just like, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: know your enemy kind of thing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: But it gotta be careful because the dude fall into
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: the rabbit hole. So I'm done with that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: But so here's my question for you, which is totally unrelated.
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: What are your I'm trying to think of, like how
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: best to formulate it? Your top three artworks in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: fine arts outside of buying ram And you can answer
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: that in any way that you want, Like what do
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: you find most inspiring? What do you find most technically impressive?
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: Like just what stands out to you from.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Your experience in being an observer of artwork for a
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: long time. Now, what are your top three?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Top three? And that's so hard because I know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: David's going to be one, so I didn't want to
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: ask just your.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Top Yeah, David, David, it would definitely be one. I mean,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Whogo lezo Obles or ninety three, although I haven't read
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: either one in a long time, so I should I
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: should read them again because it's it's it's so good,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: They're so inspiring, there's so value orly in it. You know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know Beethoven's Symphony number seven or you know
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: his is a fourth piano concerto. Jani our second piano concerto.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many. God, it's hard even to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: make a top ten just a music, never minding anything else.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's a painting that really
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: stands out now really not. I can't say I have
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a favorite painting. I don't think I have a favorite painting. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: so those would be three examples. I mean, they're all
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: technically brilliant. I find them all unbelievably inspiring, and they are, Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they're all value oriented and and you know, really full
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of I don't know what how to call it energy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I mean Beto Venosti exoots energy and dynamism not necessarily
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: positive is positivity about the world though though the seven
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: seven I think it is quite positive. H yeah, so
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: those those would be three.
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: Does Beethoven inspire you or is it more like just
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: the experience is so the music is so viscerally, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: stimulating that Like, how would you describe your reaction to Beethoven.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's you know, it's it's I find
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: it unbelievably energizing and motivating and enjoyable. And I mean
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day that that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that energy comes in the form of in a sense
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of translation into kind of inspiration. So the music inspires
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you want to go out and do something. Uh so,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: h it's hard to talk about music. It's it's hard
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to fully conceptualize what it is that music does you.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I would ad my reaction because I mean, Beethoven's
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: an interesting one just because of what I'm grandview of
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: Beethoven was, which was not a positive one.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: And but.
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: And I can see exactly what she said, like I
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: do sense the malevolent undertones to it, But the technical
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: brilliance of it to me is.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: So like it's it's it's.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Just beyond anything else that I've experienced in music.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's right. And I think the malevolence
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: appears in some of his music, but not necessarily in
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: all of it. And you know, so here's the here's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the essence of the malevolence I think in Beethoven. I mean,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: by the way, and I think she thought, or at
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: least marian su has thought, that the David has a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: certain malevolence to it. So you know that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Michael Angelo, she specifically said it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, once once you you know, once
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you get away from the David. I think that's right.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: But post David, I think a sense of life really
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: takes a beating. And you know, there's a whole talk
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: about that. I mean, it's basically that he takes his
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Christianity seriously, and I think when he does the Davit,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he's still young enough where that is not affecting him yet.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The same is true of that Pietar his first piata.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But it's no. But she may answers, I think in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: her article about metaphysics, and Morbile talks about the frown
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: on his face, and that looks like he's, you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: something malevolent. I don't completely buy it. I don't think
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that's true. But in Beijaven I see it, and in
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Beijaven I think the reality is the Bethaven is. His
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: music is about conflict, and most of the time the
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: conflict gets resolved in favor of the good guys. In
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a sense, be the conflict is always there. There's always
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a conflict. It's not just everything's nice and happy and pleasant.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: You know, to some extent there's drama and Roman enough,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but it's not there's not this underlying sense of conflict,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of of of uh of of of drama, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of of two elements opposed to each other. Even the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: piano concertos are not. You don't get the sense of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the piano versus the orchestra. You certainly do that with
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Beto It Maybe the best example of that is this
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Fourth Piano Concerto. If you take the second movement of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the Fourth Piano Concerto and there is you see the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: dialogue between the piano and the orchestra, and the orchestra
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: is this it is clearly this malevolent force. It's clearly
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: dark force. And the piano is clearly this light, positive force.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And as the movement evolves, the orchestra gets muted and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the piano gets stronger, and so the light overcomes the darkness.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And of course the third movement is then all victory
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and and and that's why I particularly like it, because
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: you get that sense there is conflict, but the good
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: wins in the seventh Symphony and the Nice Symphony, and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and and and in the and in the piano considera.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And I think even in the fifth and the third symphonies,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the good, the good actually wins. But a lot of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the music is dedicated to the conflict. But I find that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: but maybe it's my particular sense of life and my
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: particular values. I find that invigorating, you know, and exciting.
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: The one thing is a question I would have because
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: I'm thinking, like what I'm And she didn't say a
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: lot about just said some remarks about it, and they
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: were kind of off handed, like you just substantiated your
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: opinion a lot more than she substantiated her I heard it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: But she indeed she had the.
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: Opposite overall conclusion that in his music, the evil winds
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: or that dude, you know, man is doomed and like
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: I guess, like I played Devils, I would say what
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: I said to this music is even if it like
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: the light winds in the end, but the and you're
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: much more of a connoisseur than I am at a
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: lot of the actual content of the music is the conflict.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Is the conflict. It's not the darkness, it's the conflict.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And you and she you know, she viewed somebody who
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: holds conflict does the essence of life? If is if
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: art is a selective ecreation of an artist based on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: honest metaphysical value judgment, then if conflict is your metaphysical
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: value judgment in a sense, then that's my level. And
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, yeah, I think that's right. But I also
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: think there's an upside because I think I think usually
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you get rewarded for that conflict with victory. But even
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: if not, the conflict itself is interesting and energizing and stimulating.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: But it could you know, it could very well be.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a difference in my sense of life,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and i'man sense of life.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: We're not all of life that with music.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's enjoyable, but I couldn't listen it's enjoyable,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: but I couldn't listen to it a lot.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that's an age thing though, like for
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: you know, it's at a certain time that might have
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: been in a little more appealing for people.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: He grew up in the early twentieth century, which was
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a very very different sets of life, a very very
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: different culture than I think the post World War One
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: world was. So the world was a different world before
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: World War One, and I think you get that from
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who lived through that period. And
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: there was a lightness, there was a benevolence, there was
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: an optimism and positivism. They just evaporated with old one
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: in the tidleical music and the operettas represent that, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I enjoy it. I like all of that. It's just
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: not music I can listen to. I mean, I the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: operetta I can, but the typically I just can't listen
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to it a lot. I find it not as interesting.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Got it all right? Thanks Andrew? Thanks all right, let's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: turn to our super chats. We got we got a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: fuse is good? Uh, let's see Liam. Fifty dollars, Liam,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: thank you for the Thank you for the fifty dollars.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Neil says, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the success of Reagan and Thatcher's reforms of our mixed
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: economies were intellectually most sympathetic to capitalism. Now they have
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: gone back to unapologetic Marxism, like the nonsense coming out
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of Stanford. I mean, there were more sympathetic intellectuals to capitalism,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: or at least to a mixed economy leaning more towards capitalism.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: But almost everybody, almost everybody during that period was still
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a mixed economist. But think about think about how many
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: prominent economists they were in the nineteen eighties and nineties
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: who were free market economists. I mean, there was more
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: than Freedman. But then it can Trumber with Hya died,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: but Friedman was still alive. But then, in addition to Friedman,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the whole Chicago School at the time was considered a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: free market school. And there was just a bunch of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: these economists teaching at Chicago and then teaching at Hoover
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and student at Stanford, and you know, they were all
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: over the place. The free markets were dominant. And look,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it could be I'm not that connected right now that
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: if you look at the economics departments there's still a
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: lot of free market people, although I have a feeling
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that's declined a little bit. But she was from philosophy,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and if you're asking me, were there more people in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: philosophy and intellectuals of that like who? No, I mean,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the Marxists were hiding. They weren't as explicit. They were
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: quieter because the big experiment had obviously failed and they
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: were trying to recalibrate. They kind of knew what we
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: came to know is woke, whether it's post colonialism and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: intersectionality and all of that was just starting to to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: come together during that period of time. But it's not
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: like that period of time suppressed that it would just
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: come together and it would later, you know, come to
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the full front in the in the in the two
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: thousands or the late nineties, in the two thousands, so
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, I think that the consensus
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: was Fukiyama. The consensus was what's one and what's good
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: is the mixed economy democracy limited you know, not unlimited democracy,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: limited democracy, liberal liberal society, mixed economy, welfare state, regulatory state. Yes,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: we've rebalanced it a little bit with with Thatcher and
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: with with Reagan. But fundamentally, the mixed economy one communism
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: died and what if you eat for Kiyama, we're basically saying,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: is idealism is dead, right, they're no ideals. Communism was
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the last ideal and it failed. And now it's just
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: mixed economy liberalism. It's not an ideal, it's it's just
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the kind of messiness that is a liberal democratic society.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And I think most intellectuals basically held that during that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: period of time. And of course that's better than what
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: happened ten years later with or twenty years later with
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Marxism coming back, or with the postmodernists coming to the forefront.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: But there wasn't there wasn't this idea, and what also
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: was happening. I guess the most influenced the Thatcher and
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Reagan had was outside Europe and the United States. The
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: influence they really had was an Asia and in Eastern
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Europe and in places that were starting to get you know,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: released the jackals and they were adopting relatively free markets.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But intellectuals in the West didn't take Margaret Thatcher and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Reagan's success as capitalism. They took Margaret Thatcher and Reagan's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: success as. Okay, there are times where in a mixed
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: economy the mixture has to move more towards markets. But
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: but there's no principle here because again remember they did
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: not they did not embrace an idealism of capitalism. They
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: rejected all idealism because because of the failure of communists,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: they couldn't imagine an idealism of capitalism. Lay. The only
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: place there were people advocating for Laz A. Fay really
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: was economics, and there was a lot, and it was
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: big shots Gary Becker who won an Obel Prize. Stiglitz,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was just not Stiglitz, not Stiglisticlys is
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a baggage anyway. There were a bunch of economists who
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: are very free marketed coming out of Chicago. There were
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Austrians as well, but Chicago is very prominent and they're
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: well respected. All right, let's see Michael fifty dollars as well.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. One of the worst things about Trump
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: is that he's ushering in more coprid welfare, coneyism while
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: parading it under the ban of capitalism. So we end
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: up with all the failings of statism, with the generation
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of young people blaming capitalism, yes, and you can see that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You could see it that everybody basically accepts that America
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: is a capitalist society, and then all this stuff about
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: corporations and conyism and all of this is getting blamed
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: on capitalism and the solution and socialism somehow that solves
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a problem. We all the issues, all the problems, all
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the challenges, cost of living, whatever, and buy a house.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Why can't you buy a house? Capitalism because it's in America,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it's capitalism. Never mind that, you know, it's expensive to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: buy a house pretty much anywhere in the Western world,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: everywhere where politicians regulateies buying up all the houses. Yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: blame blame the financiers. So it's never mind that it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: everywhere in the world. You get the same phenomena in
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Spain and in France and you know, in the cities,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: in the big cities because there's no building going on
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: because of the same regulations that exist in San Francisco
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and New York everywhere else. So it's not an American phenomena.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: But capitalism is getting blamed in America for it without
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: any question. So, yeah, it's not just Trump, It's that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: for forever, you know, you have claimed America is capitalists,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter if it's Trump or it's you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Trump is a Republican, so he's more associated with capitalism.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: But Bush was the same way, and to some extent,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Reagan was the same way. They do. All these bad things,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: and bad stuff happens. I mean, it's not that the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: economy was perfect under Reagan. There were a lot of
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: bad stuff, Like the deficit grew dramatically under Reagan government.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Dad grew dramatically under Reagan. And then people say, see,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: this is capitalism. It's incredibly instructive. So this is the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: problem with the Republicans. They give capitalism a bad name.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: All right, let's see, Michael Lass of fifty dollars, thank you.
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: We're seeing the rise of yeehaw socialism, yehaw rednecks rejecting
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: leave me alone individualism for white Christian socialism as opposed
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: to the left multicultural secular socialism.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: They'll disagree on race, God, but socialist and they both embrace. Interesting.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the eha socialism rednex socialism. If you've
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: got a video or something, or an article or something,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: send it to me. Michael. I'm I'm really interested in that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, look, what's the alternative. We've tried capitalism.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Look what a mess we've got us into. And it's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: it's not like you know, the the the the rednecks
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: any you don't know any more than the than the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: educated socialists. So the the alternative is more state control.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: It's more government and and we call that socialism. That's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: what it is. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the left and the right are uniting under a banner,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: under a banner of of economic interventionism. The question is, really,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: how are they gonna, you know, what's going to happen
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: to the social issues, the race, the god, the transgender whatever,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: all these other things. Because to have some kind of
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: authoritarian government, we're going to have to have an overwhelming
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: majority of people who agree on some of those things.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: How that's all going to come together is going to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: be really interesting. It's a couple more of these and
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: then we'll go back to a panel. Arthur, is the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: academic establishment afraid of Ironran? Do they see signs of fear?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: The students will discover her and they you know, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: they something will be their facade will be exposed and undone.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they are aware enough
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of Inrand to think that. I don't think that they
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: take us seriously enough to think that. I don't think
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: academics are really afraid of Inran. They don't like that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: their students read her, they don't like that the students
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: get excited by her. But I don't think that comes
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to a point of they're afraid of you know, she's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: going to take over the world. I don't think they
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: take it seriously enough to be afraid of her in
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: that sense. They're afraid that she'll impact their students, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: they view in a very negative light because of these
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: really bad ideas that she promotes and things like that,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: but not you know, I don't think they have an
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: awareness of kind of what Eman represents, the challenge Iman
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: represents philosophically. Michael, another fifty dollars. Thank you, Michael, very
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: generous today as always. All right, after the fall of
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the Berlin Warm, like he says, this consensus was the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: mixed economy was a good thing to promote preserve throughout
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the world. That has changed the free element of a
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: mixed economy they want gone, you know, being a fascist,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a Marxist is becoming trending. Yes, I think that's right,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and but but remember right, it's it's trendy at the margins,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: it's it's still not mainstream. The social democratic socialism in
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: America is winning primaries. They haven't yet won any national
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: election or any even statewide election. They're winning primaries. It's
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: not clear that that's what people want. And on on
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the on the right, kind of JD. Vans hasn't won yet.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: There's still you know, there's still people hold out for
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: American individualism, or at least some version of it. So
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's all over yet. I don't think
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's the case that it's completely converted. But yes,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: at the margin, the people who are kind of shaping
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the radical ideas of definitely people who are either on
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the socialist or on the status side of status left,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: status right either way, absolutely all right, it's like one
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: more from here, Liam, The US government now owns stakes
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: in thirty companies. Is this type of cronyism common in Europe?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: With Japan?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Can we survive long enough for OBJECTIVESM to be taken seriously?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's common in Japan.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Japan has other ways in which the government controls industry.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: It always has, so Japan doesn't. I don't think the
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Japanese government has equity stakes in companies but the Japanese
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: but the banks do, and the Japanese government has a
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: lot of say in what the banks do. So the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Japanese government has more control over business in Japan than
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the American government has over business in America. It's just
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: they don't take equity positions. I don't know in Europe.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I think Europe goes in and out of phases where
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they nationalize and then they then they privatize, and they nationalize,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: they privatize, and my guess is different countries in Europe
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: are different and when they I don't know that any
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: government takes equity positions other than like Noway has the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: huge investment fund that is generated from its revenues from
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: its oil that it uses to take positions in companies
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: all over the world, including in no way, but I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: don't think the government does it directly. They do nationalize
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: much more than we do in the United States, so
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: they're much more likely to nationalize in the industry. Can
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: we survive? Can we survive long enough for objectives taken seriously,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think so, but I don't know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's hard to tell. Also, what
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: does it mean to survive? Survive?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: How we.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Do civilization survive? You know? I think so, I hope so,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: but I don't. I'm not certain. I'm not certain that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it will and certainly not in its common form or
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: in the West. It might survive in other places before
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it suffice in the West, just because I think the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: West is so weak right now, so weak. All right,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: let's go back to our panel, Jennifer.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Yesterday, I don't know if it was just teray. We
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: talked about how, you know, Christianity of courses offer a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: sacrifice and everything, and then you mentioned something about like
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the Aztecs and people ancient peoples like that did sacrifice too,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: through babies at off cloaks and things.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And do you look, I have any idea like why
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: humans think that's a good idea? I mean, did they
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: see it as sort of some kind of perverted trade
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and they can give you their baby that got will
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: make the crops grow or something?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And where do you think that it comes from? I
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: have no idea, you know, I don't know. I mean
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the witch doctor basically, in order to look in order
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: for God to have continuous power over us, there has
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to be there has to be something that you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: that He demands from us, right, He has to be demanding, right,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: and the witch doctor has to be able to convey
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: to us something that God wants us to do. Otherwise
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: what power does the witch doctor have? So the witch doctors, right,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: is the guy inventing the whole thing and making the
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: whole thing up. But think about it, I.
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: Mean in the Jewish religion, right, sacrifice is something you
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: know you're supposed to do on a regular basis to
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: God in the Bible.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: But it's but you're you're not supposed to. After Abraham
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: asks Abam to kill Jacob, to sacrifice Jacob to him,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and Abam says yes, and and but God stops him. Right,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that stopping Abam from killing Jacob is supposed to end
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: human sacrifice? Is Isaac, Isaac, Isaac and Jacob. I don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: know anyway one of them. Now you've got me confused,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: all right, somebody google uh.
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: But it's and for the for the aztext, I think
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: it was the sun. God needed sacrifices to continue raising
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: the sun.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: So that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: But that, of course is the is the is the
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: invention of the witch doctor. So there's always something. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: but the Jews eliminate, you know, human sacrifice, and they
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: sacrifice animals. And the idea of sacrificing an animal is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: not that God eats the animal or anything like that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Is it's you're willing to give up something for him.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: You're willing to give up stuff for him. It shows
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: your obedience, it shows your submission. So it's not about
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: getting anything specific from the god. Although again the witch
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: doctor will tell you the only reason the sun comes
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: up is because of your sacrifices. It's to prove to
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the God that you're willing to give stuff up. It's
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the essence of altruism, right, It's you have to give
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: stuff up to show your commitment to the God. And
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: what can be bigger in terms of giving stuff up
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: than your children? Right, that's the biggest thing. And that's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: why you human sacrifice or or you know, a human
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: being is the biggest sacrifice you can make. So lots
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: of ancient civilizations had human sacrifices that because that was
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the way they thought they could convey the seriousness to
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the God. And you know again, according to the Bible,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the whole story of Isaac Jacob Isaac is meant to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: symbolize the end of human sacrists. You can sacrifice other
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: things to show me how how much you care about me.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I just asked the super chest, thank you. I'm learning.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: So yeron. I don't know if you heard the story
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: of this Ported Airlines flight that was canceled because the
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: toddler two year old wouldn't sit in the seat with
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: the belt.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I hadn't no, no, yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: So basically, very quickly, it was the flight from Victoria
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: to Toronto, and it was late night and they could
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: not supposedly get this toddler to stay in his seat,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: so they ended up having to go back to the
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: gate to take the people off, and by that time
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: then basically they ran the curfew. Ye, so they had
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: to cancel the flight.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I I can tell you myself what
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: my approach would have been, Like I don't believe in
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: hitting kids and stuff, but I would have grabbed a kid,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: put them in the seat, put the belt on, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: just tell the belt yeah right, Like it would have
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: been like, hey, there's no discussion here. Like you can
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: try to convince kids in other circumstances, but this doesn't worry.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: But what would you have done?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I would have done the same thing.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: I mean if I was a different passenger in that flight,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: I would have been super pissed.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh absolutely absolutely, Yeah, no you you you put
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: him in the in the seat and you tie him
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: up and that's it, right, you can strain them. So yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: for force is legit on little kids. Absolutely.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: But I like I have to say though, I you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: like I saw some videos about it in red comments
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: and stuff, and some of the comments though, like people
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: are just like, you know, like basically beat the crap
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: out of the kid, right, It's.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Like, come on, that's ridiculous.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's a microcosm of our culture, right, Like
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, Okay, I wasn't there. I didn't see it.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't see the incident, but I suspected with parents
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: that just weren't able to control their kid. Yes, Like
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: that's one end of the spectrum and the other end
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: you got people it's just like, well, beat the.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Crap or bring it or bring a tranquilize onto the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: plane with you. Yeah, or give them a whiskey or
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: something exactly knock him out. Yeah yeah, I mean, if
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: you're going to travel with the toddler, you're taking on
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the responsibility of figuring out a way to get them
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to behave And you know it's it's better that they
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: yell throughout the flight or to take off at least. Yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: then the flight get canceled. So yeah, so just do it,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: even if they're gonna yell. Yeah, and and you just
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you used to hold onto them. I mean, it's not
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that hard to hold a two year old and just
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: pin pin him to the chand put the seatbelt on
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it and keep them pin down. That's it.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Like like I have never been a two
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: year old. I think that could beat me. Like, Okay,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not a physical guy, you know, generally, I think
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I could manage a two year old and presumably the
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: parents are a lot younger than me.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, and we flew, I mean we flew without
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: two sons. Long flights, I mean really long flights. I
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: mean my and my wife did it alone on a
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: couple of occasions. I mean a flight from Israel to
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: South Africa and to Israel. And I mean there's like
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: twelve hour flights and you know, it was really hard,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: but she managed, you know, and and you know she's
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: she so and and my my kids, I don't think
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: we're particularly easy. So uh and she managed, right, So right,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: there are ways to do it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Think, yes, I think it's parents who will be way
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: too lenient. And and yeah, the kid's not kids not
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: feeling the seat belt right now, so maybe we shouldn't
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: force him to wear it. Yeah, Now, she's should.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Be liable for the finial cost because as far as
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: I understand, like the airline didn't pay for any hotels,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: and I don't blame the airline like they had no
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: choice in that. I mean, you know, the pilots and
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: the crew would have been in trouble if they hadn't.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the agreement is between the airline
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and the passengers, but I don't know if that libel,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: but I would be pissed off and I'd probably bottom
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: flying on my airline for life.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but between like, is there a a proper society
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: depending what the contract is? Of course, but is there
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: a civil liability to other passengers for this?
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you'd have to know more
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: about what exactly happened and how negligent were they. I
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: think we sue each other too much anyway, So yeah,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: shit happens, like bad stuff happens, and you just gotta
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: some sing you just got accepted. But I mean, just
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit would be more expensive than any rewards you
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: might get out of it, So I doubt it.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: But then, what what is the what is the mechanism
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: to to say, you know, to have people take responsibility.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the airline should ban these people from
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: ever flying the airline. Yeah, I'm serious. I mean it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: cost the airline a lot of money to reschedule all
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: these people and refly them and do all that, and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and these people should never fly again.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: And would it be legitimate for other airlines? Well, I
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: don't want these people in my good plane. Good obviously
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: they've demonstrated.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they might not wanted a lifetime banned,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: but certainly for a while. Yeah at least you say, okay,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you're a kid, I can't fly with a kid.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because your teenagers are probably gonna be nightmares too,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: so go kidding. Okay, what's that?
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It could be like a time limit if you don't
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: sit down within ten minutes of boarding, then you get
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: kicked off.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing. I don't know why they
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: wait until they got to gate.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: No, no, So so what happened was that I think
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: it was like only ten fifteen minutes, but they had
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: to go back to the gate.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but why was he not buckled in at the gate?
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: I think they started started taxing, which you know happens, right,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I mean sometimes people are up at the washroom like, yeah,
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: you want to get golding, but people will sit down
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: and then they had to get the baggage off yep.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: And then they ran up against the curfew for the airport.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I mean I blame the airport here too, a little
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: bit like okay, cause can we have a little bit
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: of judgment, Paul It says, okay, maybe we can take
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: off five minutes past.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, the confuse questionable.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, they're they're they're they're they're like fascist
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: kind of curfews, right, and it's a government run entity
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: and they just have their rules and they don't pay.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: So you know, like to me, it's a parent's in
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: the airport. It's some you know, some small fault for
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: the airport.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I have to say I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: lived near an airport in Puerto Rico. And if if
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the plane is like they're not supposed to fly before
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: eight I think or seven or something, and if it's early,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell? You know, you know, I'm
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: not happy by with the noise of them flying over
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: my home. So yeah, so I understand why they stick
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to the curfew because otherwise people get very upset at them.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm just I'm just saying that you could
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: you could say, you know, like okay, we're going to
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: have some judgment that says, all right, you're ten minutes past.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: There's a legitimate reason. Let people know what the reason was.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: And I think most people would understand and just don't
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: make it a contract.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I think they're right, but.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: Its government and judgment. Don't quote together.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, Jacob.
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: So this may be controversial, but defending the military complex
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: on munition supply, so I think it's definitely could be better.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: But the point of long range munitions is to degrade
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: the air defense systems, so I think, and if you
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: do an analysis, it's how many munitions do we need
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: in stock for long range munitions to degrade their anti
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: air defense systems. So yes, you probably should have been
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: off balled a few production lines. That way you could
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: ramp up if needed. But if you can't take out
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: their anti air defense systems within the first three days,
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: then that strategy is broken.
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: I think that's kind of.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: A but that's not how it's not how these long
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: range missiles are being used. Maybe that's how they should
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: be used, but the reality is the air defense systems
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: anyone were taken out even before the war started, because
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Israel took them out in June of last year. So
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Juan had no really real defense systems at all other
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: than the man pads, but they were using tomahawks all
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: kinds of things. And again it's the problem is the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Patriot missiles, which was supposed to knock out the bailistic
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: missiles and the airplanes and stuff like that. Why would
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: you have a limit on that. Don't you realize they've
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: built thousands of these ballistic missiles and the Chinese have
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: a lot more than that. But here's the other problem.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: There's no reason to defend the military industrial conflicts. Let's
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: be very clear, they're awful. They're really, really bad.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: And more the military strategy.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Strategy, strategy is bad, and that's true, but more than that.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: But in addition to that, look, the reality is that
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: the way these military contractors work is that they fragment
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: manufacturing into hundreds of little shops so that they can
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: have a facility in every single frigging district of Congress,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: so that every member of Congress is going to be
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: beholden to them in one way or another. This is
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: classic cronyism. This is how it works, and that's what happens,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: so that you know, when you want to build something,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: you have to build it in this fragmented, ridiculous system.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: And it's not just missiles, it's they can't build a submarine,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: they can't build an aircraft carrier, they can't build an
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: F thirty five without going over budget by you know,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: so many hundreds of percent. They can't build anything on budget.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: The better companies are the entrepreneurial new companies that are
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: basically not playing this political game yet, although when they
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: go big they might and how much more entrepreneurial and
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: can build stuff.
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was more talking. I miss spoke.
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: It was the strategy of only having say two thousand
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: and three thousand attackers or tomahawks, because that should be
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: your initial salvo in order to suppress. Yeah, but then
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: that's when you put the JDEM So it's maybe it's
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: a Trump slash political the override of what the strategy
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: should have been.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you need to win the war. If
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you don't win the war and you drag it off
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: for months, then of course, but you can have a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: situation where you have two thousand tomawks and to make
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: another one it takes three years. Yeah, that's ridiculous. You know,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: in World War Two, you both I can't know how
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: many planes every single day, right, So it was it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: was I mean it's not the military industrial complex is
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: way way, way too slow at being able to replenish whatever.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: It is that the fact that they ran out doesn't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: want me. It's the fact that it can't replenish it,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: which is ridiculous. And it is more important in this
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: context than the tomawks.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and then on that for regarding Taiwan and China,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: it's a different missile supply for offensive attacks, so you'd
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: have harpoons rather than tomahawks. So we're still safe there.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: And I think it's which if I was a planer
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: in China, I'd be like, God, damn. They are so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: effective at targeting and at taking out targets when needed,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: and they still have all their harpoons, so any attack
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: would but we'd have our.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Boats, but they don't. But they don't have they don't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: have patriots, and they don't have a defense system. So
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: they could take down an aircraft carriers. They could take
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: down our ships in sea. They could They could bomb
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Taiwan with no limitations. If they have enough ballistic missiles.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: We cannot do anything about it. So don't put any
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: ships in the sea. Just start sending ballistic missiles into Taiwan.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Eat up all the patriots before you even put any
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: ships into sea. I mean the halpoons are useless against
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: against a ballistic missile.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but they would just go on the ground.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's bad and I would never want it,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: but I would say it's not.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: You know, look at what's happening in Ukraine, and the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Chinese have a lot more and a lot more powerful
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: and a lot more you know, missiles than the Russians.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: So no, I mean, I if I were Chinese, I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: would say, now's the time. There's no aircraft carrier in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the Pacific right now, the Americans don't have a strategy.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: We don't have the quantity of drones they could take
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: out on navy just by with drone swarms. We still
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: don't have an anti drone strategy. They could, They could
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: basically sink on navy, and yes, we'd have orpoons and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: we could sink their navy, but they just have a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: much bigger navy and ultimately they'll keep coming. They can
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: build boats really really fast. We can't build anything.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: I know it's not great, but I'm not at least
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: maybe it's just flying optimism.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: I hope it doesn't happen.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't happen too. I don't think it
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: will because I think the Chinese are afraid of failure. They
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: really are scared.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: You're wrong.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: Just relate to this question. And I know you brought
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: this up a few times, but is he a rushing
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: the plant? Because it just it just seems like everything
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: you were doing would be just it doesn't seem that art,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: Like what the hell?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: He's not smart? He is, but he is it. He's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: not smart and he doesn't really care and and he's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: and he's also he's a coward. So if you add
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: those things up, he's afraid of failure. The big thing
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: with you walk with you on was when they shut
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: down the pilot, uh and and and it took a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: long time to get the pilot and it scared the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: but Jesus out of him and he backed Right after
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: that is when he announces he's fire mu and all
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: of that. So he is really afraid of taking casualties.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: He is, Yeah, he is not. He's not smart. But look,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: the problems with the you mean dust their complex problem
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: is that go back to gender, you know, decades, they're
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: not new. This is the the problem. There is the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: problem with the American political system where you know, because
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Congress is districts, then you have to get all of them.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: You sped out, you sped out how you how? So
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you know it's it's not easy to fix because it's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: not one person. Who's just Trump you'd say, okay, and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: then heck Sets, I mean, who's heck Set? He's a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: nobody in a nothing So you've got a bunch of
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: nobody in nothing's I mean, for that matter, who is Rubio?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's particulate than the rest of them.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Buties do we know that he is a good strategist
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: and he can think And I have no idea. I mean,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the guys, the guys, he's just a senator. I have
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: never been impressed by anybody in the Senate.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I mean, okay, but would you give him,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: would you give this administration any credit to whatever extent
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: they are sort of trying to bring in Silicon Valley
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: kind of approach to in whatever small way they're doing
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: it or anything.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know enough of what's going on.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: It seems like it. But on the other hand, you know,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: we just saw them shut down this brigade of this
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: drone brigade, So I don't know what's going on there. So, yes,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that was already starting, because I've read a number of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: books about this, that was already starting under Obama. And
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: you know, Palentia was already under Obama and then and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: then Trump won and then Biden didn't back off of that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: So they were bringing on Silicon Valley into the Defense Department. Okay,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: you know, starting really the Defense secret I forget his name.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: There was a particularly Defense secretary under Obama. They started
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: something called Unit X, which was this unit. They was
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: supposed to being tech into the military and was supposed
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to coordinate efforts with Silicon Valley, and it went up
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: and down because there was a lot of resistance in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: the Pentagon and the Pentagon didn't like it. But I
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: don't think it's unique.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: To Trump too, So I guess the only credit would
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: be is that he isn't shut it down. But yeah,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: it's probably further down the hierarchy that being managed and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: it doesn't get his attention.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Can definitely further down the hierarchy. It's not heg Seth
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: and it's not it's not Trump.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's not those immediate Yeah, I.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Mean yeah, so, and let's hope that they know what
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: they're doing. I've been a number of books now about
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: the attempts to bring technology into the military and and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: it doesn't I'm not optimistic, you know about it, because
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: there's so much there's so much resistance by the status quo.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: So I guess the only thing that could save us
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: is that our enemies would be even worse.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying. You know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: it's China. The thing, the reason China's not invading Taiwan
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: is the China's weak, and China is in more trouble
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: than we are. She had to afford failure because the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: economy in China is so bad right now. He's on
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: thin ice already. If he invades Taiwan and fails or
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: the casualty numbers are huge, he will suffer so and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: he's fired most of his military commanders and so they're
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: not strong. And Russia is a complete basket case. So yeah,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: what saves us is the weakness of our m enemies.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, hopefully that doesn't change for a while.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 15: Ye Andrew, I was rolling my eyes hard the other
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 15: day when we were covering the suits against social media
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 15: for addiction, and that was the first time I heard
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 15: the term of infinite.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: Scrolling yep, And it's kind of like, okay.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: That's what you were doing with Candace is what I.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 16: Was doing, totally know so, but there's no hipocrisy because
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 16: I would never join such a suit and do not
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 16: support that kind of liability. However, it's so like, I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 16: don't know what you would call that an objectivist terminology,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 16: just like it's I mean, it's pos like infinite scrolling.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: That's not what it is, because you actually have to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: take your finger and scroll. You know, it's not infinite.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: It is that it takes a choice the user. It
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: takes choice, absolutely.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 17: So but one thing I did get, like from the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 17: social media addiction that I that I'm suffering from, is
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 17: it does give you a little bit of a sense
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 17: for the culture.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: You know, like you get especially if.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: It gives you a big diversity of videos, like from
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: different corners of the world that you know, not the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: world mostly America or you know, the world. But one
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: of the positive things there's a lot of.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: Ive you could take from it.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: And I'm not going to highlight.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: That because everybody that does. But one of the positives
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: is there's a lot of creativity out there.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 18: There's a lot of you may say it's superficial, some
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 18: of it is tawdry, some of it, you know, it's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 18: not like on the level that you know, certainly like
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 18: an objectivist society would produce in terms of content, but
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 18: you do get a sense for like, first of all,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 18: a lot of it's coming from Americal or emanating.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: From America to other countries.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: You know, when you see international content and stuff like that,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: but it's emanating from America originally, and there's a lot
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: of individuality that comes through, there's a lot of creativity,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: there's you know, like you still get this sense where
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: it's like, I can't imagine a dictatorship.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: Here because people are so big on of the value.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 19: Of expressing themselves and being opinionated, and but like not
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 19: even there's not in political ways, like I'm not really
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 19: even talking about artistically, And you know, how do you
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 19: factor that into kind.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Of your review of the culture of the state of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: the culture.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say that that was also true
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: environment Germany. So if you look at the nineteen thirties
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: in Germany, there was there was a huge evant god
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: expression and it was very much, very similar in some
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: senses to the world today. There was a lot of hedonism,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of but a lot of kind of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: self expression, creativity you could call it going on and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: and that disappeared very quickly when kind of the authoritarians
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: came to power and demanded it. But look, you know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I look at there's also a lot of knowledge that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: that is available out there. There's a lot of good stuff,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: good knowledge. There are a lot of doctors doing stuff
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: on medicine, there's a lot of exercise stuff on exercise,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a lot of scientists explaining science, and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: that to me is the most interesting thing about the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Internet and YouTube and all these you know, doom squalling
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: if you will, all this, all this schooling is there's
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of knowledge, I mean legit bondage that is
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: being conveyed online every single day, and that means that
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: they're people consuming real knowledge, and that means that things
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: are not as bad as maybe sometimes we think they are.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: It also is global, so this knowledge gets to every
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: corner of the world, and that people all over the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: world listening and engaging with this knowledge, and I think
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: that should lead us to be more optimistic about the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: world people no more. Yes, they're also most up tobile
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: to conspiracy, theuies, but that's what makes the news. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: think the vast majority that's not conspiratorial also has the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: potential at least a no more than ever before because
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: it's so easily accept accessible to the mean short videos
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: all over you know, all over the internet.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: So on.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: The basically half of my engineering degree was passed because
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: of random guys in India that would put up lectures
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: on specific problems that I would have in Thermo two
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: or whatever, where you're just like, here's this issue, and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: then you find a random guy in India with five
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: hundred views on the account, and then it has the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: solution and they walk through. Whether that's still true with
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: chat GBT, I don't know, but that was my use
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: case back like ten years ago.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure it's still true. And now now
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: you've just got a shortcut, which is cheqbt, which finds
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: that stuff and lunch from it. So yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: but the expressiveness, it's good that it's there, but I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: worry that it can go away because because again I
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: think I think it existed in Germany.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, interestingly, Yeah, all.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Right, let's see, let's go super Chad not Javia y algorithm.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: An idiot in motion goes farther than a genius addressed. True,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: that is true, just mechanically, that's true, Na Javi Yagorithm.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Do you like Shanghai more than Hong Kong? What is
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the coolest, most impressive city in China? I think I do. Like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a sension which I like. I mean,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: there's a sense in which I like Shanghai more than
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Hong Kong. It's just more impressive. The skyscraper is a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: more impressive, the lights are more impressive. It's kind of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Hong Kong on steroids. So yes, I think, I think,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: but I prefer Hong Kong because they speak English, and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's it was at least most civilized and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: more western. But Shanghai is amazing. It's it's truly a stunning,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: stunning visually, a stunning place. And and you know, I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: think has gotten even more amazing over the last few years.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Is it the most impressive city in China? I think so.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's Shanghai, although you know, I haven't been
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: to a lot of the other cities. Guang Zhu is
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: really impressive. Wang Huang something, wang Fung shin Huang something
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: just south of Shanghai. There's a city and it has
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: some of the most interesting unusual architecture you'll find anywhere.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: And that's impressive. Wang Zhu. I think it's called huang
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Zhu that's just south of Shanghai. I don't like Beijing
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons, and I haven't been to
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: that many other cities. Xi'an was not that impressive. It's Guangzhu, Wan,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: huang Zhu, and Shanghai, I think are the most impressive
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: of this. Michael is on a buying spree one hundred dollars.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. I do notice in the comments section
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: that any misbehavior of a child in public, most of
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the comments call for severely beating them. Really, does this
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: show the hate and lack of any benevolence in the culture.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least it shows a lack of benevolence
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and hate among the people in the comment section. I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: don't know how prevalent this is in a culture. I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: don't get a sense that there's a lot of people
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: out there beating kids up, so I don't think it's
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: a significant number of people. People wishing to impose misery
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: and destruction on complete strangers. But it's Kansas, not even strangers.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I do think there's also this people who would never
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: beat a kid up, but hide behind and the anonymity
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: of a comments section under video say stuff that they
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: would never say in person, Right, do stuff claim they
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: want to do stuff that they would never actually do.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: One of the one of the things you find online
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: is behavior you would never see in public. People would
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: resist it. People are willing to engage in it in
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: online because of because they hide behind a mask. They
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: they're the kind of tough guy they wish they were
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: and they're not really or or they or they just
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: use it as an expression of the anger, but when
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: it really came down to a kid, they wouldn't touch them.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: So that's my sense. I wouldn't I wouldn't take it
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: as a diagnos of the culture as a whole. I
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: would definitely take it as a diagnosis of people online
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: and the kind of people and what they do in
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: online chats. Like how many people on the plane said
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: beat the kid up in person? H came, came ready
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: to beat him up? I doubt it, but it's easy
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: for people after the fact online anonymously to talk about
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: beating up children. So I don't think the culture is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: quite that bad, but it's not a good thing that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: the people like that out there in the world. Author
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: yesterday you said, quote a little private property protection is
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: not enough for continued economic growth and innovation. But previously
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: you've said a little bit of freedom goes a long way.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Which is it, Well, it depends what a little means,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: and it depends what a long way means, so a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: little bit of freedom in a poor country like China
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: and done in the right way, that is, it wasn't
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: really a little bit of freedom, was a lot of
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: freedom in a particular context, in a particular situation, a
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: particularly geography, and in the context of economic freedom. It
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: went a long way. And if you think about it,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't even have property rights. They don't know property
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: rights in China, they didn't have property rights at the time,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: that had pseudo property rights, and even that went a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: long way. But then take I don't know, take you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: don't take Germany, which has a lot of property rights
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: and some pretty robust property rights, and it has well
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: functioning markets, and it has all this stuff. I mean,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: it's it's not gonna lead to much. You're not gonna
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: get a lot of innovation because they're ready at a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: point where to get to the next point, you need
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: a lot more freedom. That is, you need to free
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: up that those last pieces you need to really have
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: property rights. So it really depends on where you are
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: in the cycle. You can also look at countries. So
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: when you're pulled and starting out, a little bit of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: property rights and a little bit of freedom go a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: long way, the more advanced you become, the less that holds.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: And look at China, chies into trouble today. It's not
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: growing fast today, and that freedom that they have is
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: running out in terms of playing out in terms of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: economic freedom, because in terms of economic growth, because the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: governor is screwing it up and messing with it. So
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: innovation is declining and economic growth is declining. So it's
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: all contextual how much freedom you need at any given
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: point in time. So for example, you know, we could
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: take away sixty percent of all the economic freedom we
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: have in America. Well it's not a some economic freedom,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: but what would be the results. It will be collapse.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: It will be collapse. It won't be economic growth. Economic
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: growth for an advanced economy like America requires more economic
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: freedom than economic growth in China in a in a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: poor country, Shaw's bat Would you move to the moon
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  Speaker 2: if a colony was established there? No? No, I don't
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: find anything appealing about the moon all the things I
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: like to do. You know, are they gonna have Mission
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Star restaurants you can be able to you know, they're
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: gonna have you know, a good gyms. They are they
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: going to have a house the Internet on the moon,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: and what's communication down to Earth. I might go visit
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: what's that.
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  Speaker 9: You'd be able to lift a lot more in the gym.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, But that's cheating. Doesn't count, James.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: It's always seized the means of production. Never build the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: means of production. It is a battle for destruction. Yes,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's breaking stuff, redistributing stuff. Taking stuff is much
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: much easier than building stuff, creating stuff, making stuff. Uh
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: and and and the status. It's always about the negative,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: the taking, the destroying. Clark thought on the quality of
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: your audience. Did you ever think you would have such
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: a solid, consistent following or did you think it would
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: be much larger by now? So, yeah, I think I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: have a really high quality, dedicated, committed audience. And and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: and uh and it's it's it's hard for me to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: say how how big it really is in a sense
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: of how many people are really committed, but you know,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: it's something in it's a few thousand. I did think
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: it would grow more. I did think it would be
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: larger by now. That is, it hasn't really grown that much.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: So even if my subscribers have grown, the views of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: my life videos have not grown that much. My podcast
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: has not grown that much. So it's still somewhere around
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: five thousand people listen to a lot right listen to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: almost every live show. It might not be the same
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: five thousands. So maybe there's twenty thousand people out there
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: that listen regularly to the Iran Book Show. But it's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: been like that for a long time. I think that's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: my sense at least, so I would have thought it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: would have grown more by now. But in terms of quality,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. In terms of size, is disappointing.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: How do you think of it?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 11: You're on like in conjunction.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Or juxtaposition with the respect you.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 11: Have as an as an intellectual, like you are looked
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 11: to by Peterson academies and have been on a lot
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 11: of top shows, and you know, what do you like?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 11: How do you kind of conceptualize that versus maybe less
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 11: in terms of popularity than your public popularity than you
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 11: would like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the challenge is so I guess
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: the question is, so what they respect me? What does
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: that give me? Ultimately?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Right the end of the to the quality, like is
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: a higher quality people who are responding like you don't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: have to necessarily be yeah, but with some popularity but.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Not changing in any way. That is the responding Yeah,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: OANs an interesting guy. Yeah, you's a guy you can
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: have a conversation with. Those are interesting points, but it
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't. I mean, at the end of the day,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: what matters is influenced And am I having an influence
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: in Jordan Peterson? No, I'm having an influence in Jordan
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Peterson's people. So I'm happy for that and that ultimately
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: I think that will grow my audience. Right, So my
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and I again, I've I've done five courses alive on
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Jordan Peterson. We got two more coming. Where are the
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people? And the Iran book show?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Who came from the Jordan Peterson universe?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Why haven't they? Where are they? I don't see them?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: So it's disappointing in that sense. So I've been Alex
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Fieda and I've been on all these things. I've been
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: on all the shows. Where are the hundreds of thousands
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: of people who watch those things? They've all they've all
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: been watched my hundreds of thousands of people millions? Maybe
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: why haven't I? Why have I convinced only a handful.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: So that's that's it's, you know, and quantity. Quantity matters,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Size matters, the size of audience matters, The number of
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: people you you influenced directly matters. In a sense, there's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: a sense in which Jordan and all these other people
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: are means TOTO getting larger and a lot of audiences.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Right now. Again, I'm getting people from Jordan Peterson, I'm not.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: It's not that it's zero. I'm getting people from there,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: and they're coming here and some of the people listening
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: right now probably from there. So it's not zero. It's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: just again it's not growing as fast and as big
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: as I was hoping as I hope it would do.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: They still have chat groups on the lecturers, and there's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: still interesting conversations in those chat.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Groups, I think so. And actually they're going to have
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: me with the last two classes I taught for them.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: They're actually going to have me life stream with students
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: and do like life Q and A's with the students.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm really looking forward to that because one of
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: them's on I RAND and one of them's on vincre
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Capital and private Equity. But it's going to be fun
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: to actually engage with students directly, so we will see,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: all right, Do you think it's cool to let people
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: without the ability to be self sufficient just die out?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Not saying it's a moral duty, I mean it depends.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: So first of all, I don't know what it means
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: to let people who's going to do the lending if
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: you don't have any mal commitment to help them, Is
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: it cool not to help them? No, I don't think
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: it's cool. It depends on your context. It depends on
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: who you are and what you are. So, and I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: don't think people will die out. I think this idea
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: that people are just going to die because I think
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: there are enough people that are interested in helping them, family,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: friends and charity that I don't think many people will
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: die out. But me not helping somebody who might die
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: because I don't help them, it's not cool. There's a
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: thousands of kids right now in Africa that I could
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: help and prevent them from dying tomorrow. Maybe not tomorrow,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: but generally right, And I don't And I don't consider
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: myself cool because I'm not doing it, Linda, as far
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: as I know, Beethoven's opera Fidelio is the only serious
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: opera with a happy ending. The good prevailed. Yeah, and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: it's an ode to liberty. It's an ode to freedom.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, the final thing in Fidelio is they're all
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: singing about freedom and about liberty and about the wonders
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: of freedom and liberty. So and it is a happy ending.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guy who's unjustly jailed is released from
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: jail heroic, and he's it's all done heroically by his
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: wife who managed to free him. I'm trying to think
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: of other happy endings in operas. I mean, at the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: end of Turn Dot, which is one of the dumbest
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: operas ever, but the music is unbelievable. The hero, you know,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: marries the the queens, So that is a happy ending,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: but it has no meaning right the opera. Sadly, it
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: has no meaning in terms of his story. It's it's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: it's just it's a dumb plot, it really is. I
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: just watched it recently. The music is just stunning, stunningly beautiful.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, this guy falls in love with this
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: cool woman and risks his life in order to get her,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: even though she doesn't want him. It's just it's ridiculous,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: all right, charts, but the primitive people of min Taka
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: three had no interest in sacrifice or cruelty until Captain
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Picadj's owed his face. Then they wanted to worship him
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: in the hope that he would use his power to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: bring back their dead. Yeah. So if you start believing
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: that there is some power out there that can do
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: something you know, miraculous, and the witch doctor has an
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: incentive to tell you that, then you start thinking, well,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: how can I how can I please this thing? And
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: and I you know, maybe you like to eat stuff,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: so you know, here's a here's a goat, here's a
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: here's a sheep. Maybe the god likes to eat is
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: a is a you know, I want to show you
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: I'm serious, here's a human being. So, yes, you have
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: to believe that there's some ability of this supernatural being
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: that is not communicated to you directly to do amazing things,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: and and that you want to please it in some way.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: All right, harp'am. Leftists argue in response to the failure
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: of state central planning, quote a business of central planning.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: They're trying to argue central planning can be successful while
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: simultaneously claiming capitalism is a failure. Yeah, I mean, this
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: is the problem with Hyak and many of the free
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: market people overly emphasizing the planning aspect of central planning
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: rather than the course of nature of central planning. What
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: makes central planning bad is not planning. The market is
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: filled with planners. You know, Apple is huge, it's bigger
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: than many countries, and there's a lot of planning going
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: on at Apple. But it's voluntary planning, and they are
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: mechanism by which it corrects and it can't course, it
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: can't get rid of its comp petition. The essential wrong
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: in central planning is its course of nature, and that's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: what they don't get. And part of the fold for
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: that is on the free market people who don't emphasize
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: that but instead talk about planning can't plan as you can,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely you can plan. We all plan all the time
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: and quite successfully, and big businesses plan all the time
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: quite successfully. Shasbut part of the test to become a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: commanding officer in Star Trek was the willingness to send
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: crew members to their death under dire circumstances. Yes, I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: mean that's part of the training. I think at the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: end of the day of any military combat officer, you
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: have to be able to and willing to send people
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: to missions where you know they will not survive. That's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: part of the reality of war. Sadly. All right, back
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: to our panel, Jennifer.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: You know how like a baby, is not a conceptual
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: and then at some point you become conceptual. But would
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: you say it's probably like a gradual process.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: You don't just wake up.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: One day when you're tune and a half and your
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: conceptual or or maybe it is like.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: That, or we don't know, Well, it's it's it's it's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: gradual in the sense that you start forming very simple concepts.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: So at some point you wake up and you got shade, right,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: you got it, You got that, there's a concept. So
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: in that sense, one day you're conceptual, but then getting
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: one concept doesn't make you conceptual. It's it's the ability
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: to manipulate those concepts and go to higher abstractions, and that,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: of course is gradual. You're not fully conceptual, you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: if you're a boy, probably until you're twenty one to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: twenty two, if you'll go maybe seventeen eighteen, because you
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: need that front of cortex. You need to be able
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: to fully think through issues and ideas, the possibleness and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. This stuff is complicated.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: They're like a parent.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Like the animals as we consider the smartest, like a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: dolphin are gray after and gray are at that very level.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Or it's hard to take possible. I mean, some of
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: these experiments with monkeys and so on, it's possible that
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: they have an ability to deal with concrete, abstract, concrete concepts.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: It's possible that that. There's nothing I think that makes
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: that impossible. I don't think. I think in philosophy.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be very most animals know, but things like chimps,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: dolphin and the ares.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. That's kind of the area. I'm not
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: sure about some of them. Yeah, I think that's definitely
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: a possibility, but I don't know if anybody, if we
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: have the tools even to figure that out.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, thank you, Yeah, sorry. So my question you're
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: on was have you seen the TV series The Rookie?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's your name.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: You were talking.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Who's the act Nathan Fillion? I like Nathan Fillion. I
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: liked him from what do you call a sci fi series?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: Firefly?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 20: Fire Flighters great and Firefly. Yeah, and that was a
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 20: great show. You were you were talking the other day about.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 20: You know that a lot of TV and movies like
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 20: the characters you just you don't care what happens. Yeah,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 20: and you know, this one is a bit of an
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 20: exception for that.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: I actually find it's like a lot of the characters
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: and not just the lead character, you know, like there
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: is there's many of the characters you actually kind of
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: your care now. It's very you know, it's there's definitely
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: a kind of a positive spin on police and police
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: seeing and all that stuff. Yeah, you know, it's got
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: sort of the typical police drama. Everything wraps up in
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: an out work. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know it
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: is it is the series that that we found I
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: was curious to see if and.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I think there're probably there are a lot of series
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: like that because it's what appeals to people, you know,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: It's it's ultimately the networks have to fill to fill
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: the channels with lots of stuff that appeals to people.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: It's it's the negative stuff tends to be kind of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: the cult stuff, the stuff that gets people excited, like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: making Bad and things like that, or the Sopranos. But
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: the majority of shows and television have to be relatable
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: to people. To some extent, and and so they have
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: to be like cop shows and lawyer shows. There's like
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: the Lincoln Lawyer, which is which is? You know, there's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: a bunch of these shows where the coaracters, yeah, are
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: basically positive. They're good guys. I mean, the Lincoln, all
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: the people associated with the Lawyer a good people and likable. Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So then why did you say the other day
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: because it was in one of your shows you said
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: that almost all of the stuff being produced.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: That well, because I think it's anything that's a little deeper,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit more complex, a little bit better written. Right,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: you know, with the bigger shows, the big stuff is
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: almost all dark, right, where the money really is. If
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: you think about the amount of money that goes into
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, or the amount of money they went
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: into Breaking Bad, or the kind of and and then
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: the kind of cultural impact those things had, they had
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: much bigger impact than the rookie right or would you say?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: Okay? And they take Came of Thrones as an example, man,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: because I mean there were characters in there that you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: could say, Hey, I care about what happens to these characters.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: I could cheer on certain characters and others I want
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: them to get.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: But the show, the show killed a lot of those characters, right,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: So the show didn't care about what you wanted it.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: It knocked them off, and it took them in directions
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: that you would have taken them into. And it's general
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: attitude was, Yeah, they're no real heroes. I mean maybe
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: John Snow and the little girl I forget her name,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: A Yeah, but even Aria is A is A is
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: not a kind of person you want to become. I mean,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: she's a She's this dead, emotionally dead killer inside and
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: and she's very capable, so you admire that. I mean,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: John Snow is the only human hero in the show,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: and he's suffering. He has to kill the woman he
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: loves who turns out to be what his half sister
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: or something. I mean, they won't let you alone. They
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: have to twist it and distort it and destroy it
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: in one way another. So he has to be he
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: has to be miserable at the end of the show,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: and think about who they appoint as to the iron throne.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: They point the cripple guy, right, yeah, I mean.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, but you have to you know, even even
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: are you though, I mean, her ending was like okay,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: like she's got a positive she wants to go explore
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Heah is the most positive character there, I think in
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: terms of her future. John Snow's too brooding and to
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: dressed at that point.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: What was the name of the character the play the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: short the short guy. I mean, he was kind of a.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: He's a horrible human being. He's smart and he's spent.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: A leving, you know, kind of like you know, he
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: didn't see evil.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't as evil, and then he came from
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: such an evil family.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: I mean that's again, that's what keeps Game of Thrones
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: going forward. But if you think about the first season
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: what's his name? Stock is the good guy and your
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: rooting for him and everything, and they you know, they
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: chopped his head off and and you know, think about
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: how many bad people they are in the series. Look,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I watched that. I enjoyed it. It
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: was fun and incredibly dramatic, and there were there was
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: there was scenes and themes, even whole themes there were
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: very very good. There's a whole theme about religion and politics,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: and there was very very good. And I loved what's
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: her name? Uh, the blonde. Uh, you know what, the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: mother or dragons. I mean, she had the best scenes
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: in the whole thing. Uh. When she kills her enemies
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: and slaughters every I mean I think it's great. Uh.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: They made her conflicted too.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and they had to they had to
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: destroy her in the end. But she was a power
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: luster in the end, right. All she wanted was the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: ironth Phone. She didn't literally have a vision. What's up?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: I can't hear her today.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: I can't hear you either.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: We can do a mutiny. You got to take over your.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Uh he's working here. Think you're back. That was weird,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: all right? Yeah, she was conflicted. Of course she was conflicted.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: She's a powerluster who who wants the Iron Phone and
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: willing to pay whatever cost, kill whoever needs to be
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: killed in order to get the Iron Throne. She has
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: some conception of freedom and liberty, but it's not real.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, she wants to feed the slaves, but beyond that,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: she has no conception of freedom of liberty. It's all
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: about force. It's all about power. It's all about power lust.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: The whole city theme is power lust and physical force,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: and I mean that's fine, it was a fun show,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's not It's not inspiring in any
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: kind of sense. And the heroes there, you know, it's
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: not a world you wouldn't want to be in. It's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: not a world you wouldn't want to live in. It's
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: not a it's not it's not people you would actually
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: want to engage in. Even Aria is scary at the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: end of the day. I mean, it's not a there's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: nothing really positive about that universe.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: I mean, I love that it does show that it's
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: a good thing for I don't.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: Want to go back to sixteen ninety two because dragons
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: and stuff, that's what it was.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. But that's the thing. Imagine a heroic
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: show that actually presented heroes fighting for something meaningful, I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: mean meaningful in our world, in a in a in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: a real world, but something meaningful here it's just power.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: But imagine, or imagine even you imagine putting it in
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: a fictitious sixteen ninety three where somebody has discovered the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: power of reason or the power of freedom or whatever
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: and actually fighting for something of meaning rather than there's
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: just power for the sake of power. And they have
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: been science fiction that is better in a sense of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: having more more meaning behind it at the end of
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: the day. Game of Thrones had no meaning. It was fun,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: it was exciting, but it had it didn't add up
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: to anything at the end of the day. I think
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: most of these shows don't. And when it does that
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: up to something, it's pretty malevolent, not benevolent.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: Jacob question for San Frian and La So I've had
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: to skip the last two o'cons or two of them
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: signed up for because of work. How would I if
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 9: there's any objectivist events or anything there. What's your recommendation
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 9: on who to follow or any interesting events now that
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 9: I'm out on the West Coast.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Oh in terms of objectivists in those locations.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 9: Or any intellectual events or anything there. Because I was
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 9: really looking forward to OCON, but then have worked tras
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 9: both times.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: And I mean I would try to maybe try to
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: go to the Austin conference in September, but I don't
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: know of stuff going on in California. You know, you
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: might want to just look for objectives groups in California
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: and see what comes up if you google that. I
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'll do that.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 9: And then two side things for people that want to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 9: donate to the show and have time. So we've been
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: bought like eight downs of paint brushes, shovels for the
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 9: backyard because they left him work in a back places
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 9: and had a lot of work to do. So you
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 9: can use Rakuten and then get cash back to PayPal.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 9: Then you can PayPal the show if you're doing some
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: home improvements or different things. So it's only like one
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 9: to four percent. But if you spend a lot of
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 9: money and you get value from the show, and I'd
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 9: recommend people do.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: That, that's great. Thanks, Jacob, appreciate it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Andrew, give us a little insight into your.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 11: Your journey or your your stay because this is like
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 11: your yearly August.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Social right, like where are the September?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, can you tell us like where you are and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 11: like how it's going and how it compares to your
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 11: previous trips, like how do you like it?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So so this is the third year we basically
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: go for two months to Europe. This year has been
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: what happened to Andrew? Wait for Andrew to come back.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I guess all right, let me do let me do
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: the super chats, and then if Andrew comes back, I'll
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: complete my answer. Neo says Connie rejected Trump's trade offer.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the trade offer was. I
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if to say good for Connie or he
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: rejected it for the wrong reasons. I have no idea,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there's a trade war between Canada and the
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: United States. Now, hooray, isn't that going to be fun?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Let let let let the shooting each other in the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: knee or shooting yourself in the knee. In response to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: the other persons shooting himself in the knee, continued, it's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: going to be It's going to be a blast, all right,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: it is, Andrew Andrew. You disappeared. There, you back, Andrew, Andrew,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Andrew there.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 11: I got another call and I hung up on you
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 11: by act insteads At least I got my question now.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: But I don't know how it's got.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: I said, this is the third year we're doing this.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: We leave August and September in Europe. The first year
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: we spent most of it, God, I can't remember anymore,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: most of it in Barcelona, and we really like that. Yeah,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: the first year was all in Barcelona, I think. And
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: then last year we decided to split it and we
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: ended up splitting it between Lisbon and Florence with a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: week in between in Naples. And this year we did
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: ten days in Lisbon, a month in Barcelona again and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: then and then the last two weeks is going to
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: be kind of my wife's going to be in Florence
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to be in London and into Blissy
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: and Georgie.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: What was the thinking behind going to the same place
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: as it's better?
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: The thinking is that we're not here as tourists. We're
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: here to experience life in this other place. That's, you know,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: just to you know, we're not running around going to
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: museums and things like that. We go to museums, but
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: it's just like we're living here and we like Barcelona
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: for example, Busalon is just a great, great place to live.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: So you know that your life.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 11: Should become like a firmer middle with the location and
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 11: you can kind of go back to it regularly.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think we're going to come back to
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Barcelona next year again. We're going to spend a little
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: bit more time in Lisbon next year, so we'll probably
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: do Barsalon is a little hot and humid when we
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: came here in mid August. We'll probably delayed a little
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: bit and coming in late August and we'll probably spend
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: more time in Lisbon. Lisben the weather was perfect. There's
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: been much more like California where that wise, but it's
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: not as it's not as fun and its comfortable to
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: live in so grocy shopping and Lisbon sucks, so the
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: little daily things ken And then restaurants in Lisbon are
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: nowhere near as good as the restaurants in Barcelona. So
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: we like Barcelona because grocery shopping is really easy the
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: stuff we want, I mean, the more grocery store stores
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: for block in Barcelona than any place I've ever been
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: to in my life. It's unbelievable, and they're nice to clean,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: which is a big deal for us coming from Puerto Rico.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: And then the restaurants here, you know, we're eating our
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: way through the Micheline guide, so basically, you know, hitting
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: on great the food here Michelin are not Michelin is
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: just phenomenal, So even average restaurants are just great.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: Do you have to book the Michelin restaurants? Like how
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: far the advanced.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: You and listen if it's an if there were a
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: few really really hot restaurants like that, everybody's going to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: that are hot to get like that. For a while,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: the top restaurant in the world was in Barcelona, this Futa,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: and it was impossible to get. But what I discovered
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: was twice. We've been twice over the years, previous years,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: and you put yourself on the waiting list and they'll
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: call you up a few a couple of days before
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: and you're in right because they get cancelations or they
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: get openings for other reasons. But the one star on
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: two start Mischelin restaurants, no problem. You can same day,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: you can get a reservation, so it's not a problem
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: at all. So we're going to a lot of Michelin
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: star restaurants, a lot of not Michelin Star restaurants, just
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: good restaurants. We now know which ones we like, which
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: ones we don't, so we get into a routine. There's
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: us a culture, there's art, there's music. We can you know,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: my wife got to say a Flamenco show the other
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: night while I was doing a show. And then we're
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: going to go see a classical music concept. We're going
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: to go see an opera this Saturday night. You know,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: classical music in different places. There's just a lot of
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: culture here. We like the weather. You know, there's more
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: culture in London. There's more culture in Palace, but the
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: weather's not as nice. And I don't like the French
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: and my wife doesn't like London. So you know, Barcelona
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: I think is the place for us. We want to
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: test out Milan, so we might go for a week
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: next year to Milan just to see what it's like.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Barcelona's are fairly cheap, so we can we enter Airbnb
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: here and it's I mean, it's a tiny little apartment,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: but it's it's it's really reasonably priced. It's much more
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: it would be much more expensive elsewhere, so you know,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: we just we're playing with the concept still, but we're
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: basically committed to coming to you for August September, and
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out how to has to do
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: it to maximize our enjoyment. And then I have to
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: do these show. I do these shows. So in Barcelona,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: I rented an office. So I'm in an office. It's
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: about a ten minute walk from our AB and B
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: and I leave all the equipment he except on my laptop.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: But the office costs me, so I have to you know,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: So so figuring out the details. Again. In Barcelona, it's
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: all very convenient and very easy. It's not that convenient
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: and easy in other cities. Also, like being near the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: near the Mediterranean, which is like mymighty I grew up
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: on the Mediterraneans. Like I kind of have this irrational
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: emotional response to it.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sure it's invigorating to kind of get out
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 11: of your normal environment.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like getting so we like getting out
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: of the normal environment. We like getting you know how,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: season is not the best weather in Puerto Rico, and
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: it's it's just a little stressful because you're watching fo
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: Kanes all the time. We still watch Jollikinnes a little
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: bit because a condo is still there. We don't want
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: it to get damage. But it's not the same. And yeah,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: it's just nice to shake things up and change change
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: things up a little bit.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, sounds great.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I recommend it. If you can pull it off.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: You got to be able to pull it off.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you got to be able to pull it off.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's run through these last few super
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: chests almost in two hours, Paul, have you heard Beethoven's
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: Upper Fidelia? What do you think of it? I like it.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't enjoy it as much as I
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: do Verdi o Puccini. It's it's it's it's hot, but
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: I enjoy it. I like it, and there's certain bits
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: of it. It's not quite as melodic and easy on
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: the ear, if all, in some ways as Verdi, but
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: it's still a great opera, and again it has a
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: great story. Clark thoughts on Canary Islands for retirement. You know,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Canary Islands are really pretty. They're kind
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: of in the middle of nowhere. They're off the coast
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: of Africa. The weather's good. I don't know how much
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: culture and how much other stuff there is there, but yeah,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: if weathers what you care about and you don't mind
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: being in the middle of nowhere, then yeah, the Canary
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Islands are pretty nice, beautiful beaches. I'm sure the food
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: is good or even says have you seen the movie
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: because of Blanca, and if so, would you share your opinion? Yeah,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: of course I've seen the movie because of Blanca many times. Yeah,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: it's a great I love that movie. It's it's fabulous,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: it's it's there. A number of movies like that of
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: a reluctant hero, a hero that is cynical, starts out cynical,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to take a stand, but finds a reason,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: usually a woman, to motivate him to take a stand,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: to fight for the good. And and I think, I
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: think as the bank is beautifully made, it's beautifully done.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: I think that I like both lead actors. To Have
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: or Have Not is another movie. To Have or Have
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Not is another movie with Humphy Bogot with a very
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: very similar theme as Casablanca. Uh and it's a really
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: good movie as well, So yes, it's it's I think
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: it's beautifully shot, it's well acted, and I like, I
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: like the kind of the plot of how he turns
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: from being a reluctant hero to a committed one. Well,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: from being a cynic to a reluctant hero to being
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: a committed to you, that's the full luck. What difference
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: between a strategy and tactic, whether you're in a battle
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: or a boardroom and investor Victor Niederhoff died, did you
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: meet him? The difference is the scale. The short term
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: versus long term tactic is short term tactics are what
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: you do to achieve a strategy. Strategy is broader and longer,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: tactic is shorter and narrow. And that's true in the
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: battlefield and in a boardroom. Did I never met Victor Niederhoffer.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: We exchanged emails. I think I'm trying to think if
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  Speaker 2: I ever talked to him. I don't think we ever talked.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: He was a huge nine Ran fan. I read his
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: obituary in one of the publications and he mentions his
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  Speaker 2: daughter's name is Golt so clearly a nine ran fan.
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  Speaker 2: And he was a legend, and he trained a lot
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: of hedge fund guys who were objectivists. So I know
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  Speaker 2: a number of people who became big donors to the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Dinery Institute who started their careers with Victor Needohoff, so
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: Niedahoff first. So while he never contributes to the Dinery Institute,
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  Speaker 2: indirectly by training those people and they became very wealthy
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: and they contributed, he did so yep, I was going
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: to talk about him on one of the future shows Neo.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's an advantage to have military basis
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  Speaker 2: underground like Iran? Is it too risky? I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the risk is. I don't see any risks involved
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes sense if you know you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be bombed, if you you know Israel has Israel
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of structures on the ground as well
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: because those Uranian ballistic missiles, that want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: it can survive those. And I'm sure the Paytagon has
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: a big part of the Pentagon is underground. So and
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  Speaker 2: and maybe the United States should have built its military
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  Speaker 2: bases in the Middle East more underground than they are
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  Speaker 2: so that they could survive the ballistic missiles. Robert, the
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  Speaker 2: internet is selection bias on steroids. I get a far
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: better idea of the true state of the world from
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: statistics and I and I heartedly recommend subscribing to Human
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Progress Doomslayer newsletter. I agree. I am a subscriber and
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: sometimes the stories I talk about on here on the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: achievement section from the Human Progress feed. But the reality
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: is that the statistics don't tell you how people are feeling,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: what people think, uh and and and and what the
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: what the what the what the what the vibe is
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  Speaker 2: and the culture and it matters or what the ideas
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: are in the culture. Right, So the fact that we're
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: progressing does not mean we will continue to progress. Enrik says,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: many shows create edited shows, write a script, create graphics
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  Speaker 2: an AI to explain and edit to essentials. Have you
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: considered doing that. I'm still thinking about what to do
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: with AI and how to do it. I'm not a scriptwriter,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: but maybe AI can help you write stuff and create
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: scripted shows with images that AI can create. In the past,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: it was very expensive to create shows like that. Very expensive.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Now we'll see how my documentaries in London do. We're
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: three weeks away from doing that, so that's kind of exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Four weeks away, four weeks. All right, let's do one
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  Speaker 2: quick round with a panel, So Jennifer to thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jennifer, I'm one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Let me just so, in an object or in
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  Speaker 4: a proper society, what would be kind of legal disclosure requirement? So,
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  Speaker 4: for example, if you're taping people at through apprentises, you're
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: selling a house that you have known defects and things
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  Speaker 4: like that, what would be the kind of the legal requirement?
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  Speaker 4: Not moral, but legal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I think it would be. I mean, I
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: think it would be different depending on the circumstances. So
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  Speaker 2: recording somebody without their knowledge is probably a violation of
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: their rights unless there's no expectation of privacy unless they
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: expect to be recorded or they're out in the public,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter the yelling in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the street, but certainly recording in a private setting, there's
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  Speaker 2: the assumption of privacy.
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  Speaker 4: Like a bank, if you walk into a bank, would.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, walk in a bank, or somebody in your home.
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  Speaker 2: If somebody comes to your home, they're not expecting to
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  Speaker 2: be recorded and expecting to and if you do record,
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  Speaker 2: then you should let them know in terms of was
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  Speaker 2: the other example you gave house, house, the car or anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's I think it's a combination
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  Speaker 2: of you can't lie, right, you know, I think I
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  Speaker 2: think legally and mouley you can't deceive if you can't lie.
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  Speaker 2: So if I ask you, does the basement flood in
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: the winter, you have to tell me if the basement
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: floods in the winter or not. So, but if I
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  Speaker 2: don't ask you something that you know is the defect,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: it's buyableit way, So the burden is on the buyer
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  Speaker 2: to ask the right questions to make sure that they're
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  Speaker 2: covering everything. And this is questionnaires or whatever whatever is necessary,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to get the information you need.
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  Speaker 4: So so I'll give you an example. Then, so you're
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  Speaker 4: selling a hout. If somebody comes, as they say, and
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  Speaker 4: the buyer says, you know, are there any major problems
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  Speaker 4: with this house?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Is that and then you don't disclose the fact that
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  Speaker 4: basement floods.
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  Speaker 2: Everything well, based on flooding is a major problem. So
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  Speaker 2: I think I think that's that's a deception.
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  Speaker 4: That would qualify as answer. If you don't, I think so.
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  Speaker 2: But if there's a leaky faucet, that's not a major problem, right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So and look, one of the things that happens when
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  Speaker 2: you buy a house is you sending an inspector. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so the responsibility is really in the inspector to
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  Speaker 2: figure these things out. Now, again, there should be a
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  Speaker 2: questionnaire that asks things like, when it rangs a lot,
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  Speaker 2: does the roof leak because you can't tell that from
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  Speaker 2: an inspection necessarily, Or does the basement flood? You can't
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  Speaker 2: tell that necessarily from an inspection. But but so they
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  Speaker 2: should be the bias should be, you know, because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people say, you're buying it as is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember in in in the description when I
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  Speaker 2: sold my house, it was as is right, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: fixing anything. And and and you know, the inspector will
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: come and find what he finds. And so even today,
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty much the way I'm describing it, I think.
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  Speaker 4: And that was and that was legal in California.
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  Speaker 5: You could get away with it.
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  Speaker 4: But I think she didn't have to disclose any issues
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  Speaker 4: things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they had a questionnaire and you had
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: to you had to answer the questionnaire, right, And the
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: inspector came and they asked questions. And but it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like I needed to make a list of all the things.
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  Speaker 2: I know that the defect in the house, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it is my my uh, it's it's responsibility of the
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  Speaker 2: bias to ask the right questions. I think, and and and.
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  Speaker 4: We know in a free society, of course, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like certification bodies or the real estates or whatever, the
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: agents would look like they'd be, you know, instead of
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  Speaker 4: this government controlled bs that we have to I mean absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: it would be all kinds of the quality of the transactions.
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  Speaker 2: Everything would be better. And you know, right now, when
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: you buy a house, you sign these stacks of papers
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  Speaker 2: that are the stake. You know, you don't read them.
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  Speaker 2: You have no clue. You know, in a rational society,
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  Speaker 2: it would be one page of two pagia that would
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  Speaker 2: be in English. Yeah, okay, thanks Jef Andrew.
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  Speaker 21: I wanted to share a therapeutic exercise or skill that
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 21: I learned a couple of weeks ago that I think.
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  Speaker 5: Was really helpful.
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  Speaker 21: And I'm pretty familiar with the cognitive behavioral therapy. It's
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 21: not technically from that school, but it reminds me of
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 21: those kind of skills, which I do find, you know
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 21: how foundable all of that. So in case anyone's interested
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 21: in it, it's you can look at a cognitive fusion,
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  Speaker 21: and I do think it has philosophical.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: Locations, like a philosophically healthy.
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  Speaker 21: That the concept of it is you kind of separate
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  Speaker 21: yourself from your thoughts and.
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  Speaker 5: You say, like if you're having some sort of.
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  Speaker 21: Obsessive negative thought, like just as an example, I'm going
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 21: to have a panic attack if I go.
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  Speaker 7: Outside, then you basically articulate yourself. And for the specific steps,
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  Speaker 7: I would say look it up, but like one of
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 7: the steps is you articulate literally verbalized I am observing
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  Speaker 7: that I am having.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: The thought that X, and you name thought.
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  Speaker 7: So you separate and you're like, my the effective had
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: out of me was like I was almost able to
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 7: get behind the fall and be more in touch in
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: my mind and my brain.
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  Speaker 5: That's generating the thought and that.
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  Speaker 7: Empowers you to change your thinking, so that I had
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 7: a concept.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so I just wanted to share that with people.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, all right, thank you, Andrew, Thanks guys, Thanks Jennifer
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: and Amlan and Jacob ouse here earlier. Oh we got
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  Speaker 2: one question. Stephen Harper says, I recently saw the nineteen
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: eighty eight movie eight Man Out, where the basic message
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: is that the nineteen nineteen Chicago Black Socks were a
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: few key baseball were a few key baseball players through
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: the World Series because the team owner was cheating, which
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: was not even true. I vaguely remember seeing that movie.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I saw that movie, and yeah, they
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: try to make the baseball players as reasonable as possible
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: for cheating, basically for throwing the World Series, which was
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: a horrible thing to do. They got banned for life.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: The baseball players got banned for life. All right, thanks guys,
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  Speaker 2: I will see you all. I'll be here with Nikos tomorrow.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: We're talking about Patrick Deneen and the post liberals see you,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you bye, have a good weekend. Thanks bye.