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#171 - Ella Mai · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: Bulet keV Show Special guest lm A. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for coming. It's been a while,
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Speaker 1: it has been. I think it's twenty You know what's
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Speaker 1: crazy is I met you in twenty seventeen, before you even, like,
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Speaker 1: I want to say, before you really had music out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think we were. I want to say. It was
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Speaker 1: maybe like one or two EPs. It was like very
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Speaker 1: pre pre bowed up. Yeah, what pre pre pre booed up? Yeh.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember who brought you up to the station.
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Speaker 1: I might have been someone from Interscope and they were
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Speaker 1: just like, hey, we just want to introduce you to her.
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Speaker 1: She's going to be the next thing. And like Jesus,
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Speaker 1: and then here you are making the R and B
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Speaker 1: music I grew up loving. Oh thank you. Yes, it
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Speaker 1: kind of took a while to make this album. And
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Speaker 1: you know what I love about your album is like
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Speaker 1: when I saw the track list, you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: hard to make an album with that many songs and
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Speaker 1: it'd be fire. Thank you, but you made us wait.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like you made us wait, right, So
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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, you made us wait, and you
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Speaker 1: know you delivered, so it wasn't like super super intentional
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Speaker 1: that I made everyone. Wait, I think everyone one thinks
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Speaker 1: that I like disappeared off the face of the earth
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Speaker 1: and then like came back. It really was like boot
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Speaker 1: up Trip my debut album end of twenty eighteen, and
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Speaker 1: then for the whole of twenty nineteen, I toured, Like
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Speaker 1: literally January to January twenty twenty, I toured and I can't.
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Speaker 1: I'm not really like a record on the road, like
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Speaker 1: I need to be stationary and like set. So I
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the studio. So twenty twenty was always the
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Speaker 1: year for me to record. Anyway, it took a little
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Speaker 1: bit longer than we planned. Pandemic. Yeah, and the pandemic,
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Speaker 1: like I didn't I really didn't want to put something
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Speaker 1: out during the pandemic and not be able to like
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Speaker 1: work it properly. I feel like everyone kind of at
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Speaker 1: first the virtual stuff was cool, but then months in
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Speaker 1: everyone was like, I'm sick and tired of seen so tired. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to make sure I would be able
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Speaker 1: to work it properly. So yeah, it took a little
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Speaker 1: bit long, but we're here now, Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you got some crazy records on Here Fallen Angel, I
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Speaker 1: want to say it is one of my favorites. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I love the outro at the end. Yes, the Arrioti
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Speaker 1: record is crazy. Thank you. What would you say, like,
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Speaker 1: where did you kind of pull your inspiration from for
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Speaker 1: this project? Yeah? I think it was really just my
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Speaker 1: life in real time. Like I think with my debut album,
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Speaker 1: the studio was really like still quite new to me,
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Speaker 1: and I was like figuring out what I wanted to
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Speaker 1: sound like and what I wanted to say. And this album,
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was super confident in what I
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Speaker 1: wanted to say and what I wanted to sound like
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Speaker 1: and the message that I wanted to get across. And
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Speaker 1: really I was just going in and kind of like
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Speaker 1: diary entries almost, and whatever I felt on that day
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Speaker 1: is what came out. I sort of felt like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: did you go through a breakup during the pandemic or something?
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Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, so so that there's all that all
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Speaker 1: you need is a breakup, a good breakup. But to
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Speaker 1: be fair, my album's not a sad album now, but
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Speaker 1: there are some moments. You know, there's moments. There's moments,
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Speaker 1: for sure, but I'm also learning that like life happens
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Speaker 1: in moments, Like happiness happens in moments, Sadness happens in moments.
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Speaker 1: Success comes in moments, and like obviously those moments come
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Speaker 1: back they you know, it's like a roller coaster. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's moments of I think more so moments of happiness,
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Speaker 1: but there's definitely moments of sadness on the album. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: how old is the right? Like? How long old did
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Speaker 1: you guys do the Right? The Roddy record, I want
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Speaker 1: to say, we did it last summer, so it's not
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Speaker 1: that it's not that old. Yeah, but like fully fully
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Speaker 1: finished it, probably top of the year. But Roddy and
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Speaker 1: I we we actually did another song first for was
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Speaker 1: supposed to be for us this album, and then we
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Speaker 1: kind of came back around and we had this. This
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Speaker 1: was one of the last records we did on my album.
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Speaker 1: But from the beginning, the start of me recording, I
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Speaker 1: was like, I really want Roddy on this album because
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Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan. So it must have made
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Speaker 1: it happen. Yeah, do you like, are you conscientious of
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Speaker 1: Like I said that, you make the music I grew
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Speaker 1: up loving, and I feel like for a while we
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Speaker 1: kind of were missing R and B like true R
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Speaker 1: and B in terms of like the forefront of music.
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Speaker 1: But I do feel like it's coming back. But I
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Speaker 1: feel like you had a lot to do with that.
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Speaker 1: Are you conscientious of that, like, because I feel like
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Speaker 1: you kind of feeled something that was missing, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? Thank you? First of all, that's that's
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Speaker 1: a big compliment. I don't feel like I was super,
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Speaker 1: super super aware at the time. I think it's really
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Speaker 1: just like, that's the music I grew up on, too,
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Speaker 1: So it's really just like my influences and who I
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Speaker 1: love and the music I love, and that's just the
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Speaker 1: music that comes out because that's just what I loved
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Speaker 1: listening to and what I love making. I don't think
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Speaker 1: anyone could have ever really planned what happened with Brewed
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Speaker 1: Up or what happened with Trip. I think it was
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Speaker 1: just like clearly something that the industry was missing and
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Speaker 1: what people wanted. And I definitely, I definitely do feel
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Speaker 1: like it gave R and B a lot more like
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Speaker 1: mainstream attention at the time, and then since then it's
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Speaker 1: R and B has kind of been taken out back
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Speaker 1: care but it's still it's still a very hard genre.
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Speaker 1: If you're not like a crossover. It's still even though
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Speaker 1: we're making waves somewhat, it's still a really hard genre
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Speaker 1: to work and I think as an R and B artist,
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Speaker 1: you just kind of have to be aware of that
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Speaker 1: and just try your best to to like navigate it's
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Speaker 1: quite hard to navigate through. Yeah, like money Along, she
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Speaker 1: just went number one with like a real traditional R
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Speaker 1: and B record. I'm like, this shit is number one
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Speaker 1: and two formats and it's very, very hard to do,
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Speaker 1: very hard. I don't think people understand I used to
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Speaker 1: do in touch like a pop or like rap base. Yeah, industry, yeah,
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Talk about like, how did you spend
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Speaker 1: your pandemic? Were you here in the States? Were you
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Speaker 1: back home in the UK? Where were you at? I
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Speaker 1: was in the States, Yeah, I couldn't actually leave because
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Speaker 1: I was right before the pandemic happened. I was in
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Speaker 1: the process of getting my green card, so like, while
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Speaker 1: you're in the process, you're not supposed to leave because
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Speaker 1: they can deny you like re entry. And then obviously
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Speaker 1: COVID happened in the pandemic and the embassy shot, so
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Speaker 1: if I would have left that we wouldn't come back.
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Speaker 1: I would have got stuck at home. Yeah, I know
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Speaker 1: people who that happened to. Yeah. Yeah, And I was
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Speaker 1: in the middle of making an album and I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to. I could make an album at home, yes,
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Speaker 1: but your team's out here, everyone's here, So it was
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Speaker 1: just like it would have been really hard for me
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Speaker 1: to do that. So I was here. Yeah, I didn't
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Speaker 1: go home. The first time I went home was November
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Speaker 1: that just passed, and that was the first time in
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Speaker 1: two years. So yeah, with Buota being such a massive record,
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Speaker 1: how much did you pay attention to all the remixes
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Speaker 1: I made attend? That's all. I saw a lot of
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Speaker 1: tea Pain caught a fucking body, killed it, absolutely killed it.
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Speaker 1: But he like, I don't know why everybody was acting
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Speaker 1: so surprised. I wasn't, but I was just like, yah,
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Speaker 1: I feel like he doesn't get enough credit at all.
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Speaker 1: Like T Pain is actually a goat. I don't think
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Speaker 1: people want to I agree. I agree, he's his. We
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Speaker 1: would like to say he's him duncan, Yes, mcpay, he
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Speaker 1: is him. He is Like I feel like he really
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Speaker 1: created like a new lane when he came out in
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Speaker 1: his Like in his prime, there was no one really
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Speaker 1: really really doing what T Pain was doing and he
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Speaker 1: can actually sing, like I don't think he forms his
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Speaker 1: ass off. You know, I've never seen him live. He's
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite life offered to see him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like for the like his size, the way he'd been
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Speaker 1: moving around and popping and locking, and I'm just like Jesus,
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Speaker 1: I've seen videos, but I've never actually experienced it in person. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: How like when we talk about Mustard, I feel like
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Speaker 1: somehow we just talked about T Pain doesn't enough credit.
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Speaker 1: I feel like Mustard doesn't get enough credit just for
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Speaker 1: him being the CEO that he is, the guy that
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Speaker 1: he is, and just like the prolific I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: not a lot of people have had runs like Mustard.
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Speaker 1: How involved was he with this project? I feel like
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Speaker 1: he was heavily involved in the first project. Like how
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Speaker 1: like are his fingerprints all over the album? Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: still he definitely. I think he was definitely more involved
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Speaker 1: in the debut, but he's still produced. I think I
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Speaker 1: want to say six of the fifteen on this album.
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Speaker 1: I think I think I'm correct, And I always like
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Speaker 1: I don't there's nothing that I do that I don't
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Speaker 1: play him like his opinion is really really really important
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Speaker 1: to me, and he's never steerd me wrong. So he's
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Speaker 1: still super super involved. Whether it's being like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the label owner of ten Summers, or whether it's production wise,
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Speaker 1: he's still super involved. And he's not like scared to
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Speaker 1: tell me that he doesn't like something, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: scared to tell him I don't like something, like it's
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Speaker 1: super just organic and natural. So he's very involved. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: did you feel like there was a I feel like
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Speaker 1: there was in like that twenty eighteen twenty nineteen range.
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Speaker 1: You were on a lot of hooks. You were kind
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Speaker 1: of like the go to do you think so, I
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Speaker 1: don't feel like, I just I'm thinking of the Meek album. Yea,
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Speaker 1: there was a I feel like you were on a
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Speaker 1: couple of hooks, right, Not really not really me. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of the Meek I feel like for
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Speaker 1: a while there, I just heard you on the radio
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Speaker 1: audience see no, because you know what it was. It
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Speaker 1: was really wild because boot Up happened, and then Trip happened,
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Speaker 1: which is all over the radio, and then my album happened,
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Speaker 1: and then Meek was like right after my album twenty
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Speaker 1: four seven, So the timing of it. I just felt
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Speaker 1: like it was LMA Radio for like six months. It
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Speaker 1: was like, jeez, I know everyone was tired of it,
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Speaker 1: like we don't want it is anymore. But yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: Meek was really the main twenty four to seven was
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Speaker 1: the main feature I did. I didn't really do. I
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Speaker 1: currently listening to that's like inspiring you that, like you know,
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Speaker 1: you're just a fan of Yeah, Oh, that's a great question.
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Speaker 1: I was just talking about Bloss Project. Shout out to Blast.
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Speaker 1: I'm such a fan. His melodies are so cool. And
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Speaker 1: he killed the Kendrick album. Yes, yes he did, Yes,
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Speaker 1: Kendrick's album. I haven't listened to it in its entire yet.
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Speaker 1: So you haven't sat with the whole project yet. No. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I feel like I need to be in a certain
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Speaker 1: like headspace in order to properly take it. It took
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Speaker 1: me like three days to like sit down because I'm like,
11:17
Speaker 1: I can't just like this. It can't be back. Yeah,
11:20
Speaker 1: I gotta like really sit down and like like hone
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Speaker 1: in on this because I feel like it's such an
11:24
Speaker 1: important album. I want to listen to it passively. So
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Speaker 1: I finally did. I was like, I find it. If
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Speaker 1: I would to listen to it passively, I would have
11:32
Speaker 1: been like, but it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I
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Speaker 1: had it, haven't had the chance to, and I want
11:37
Speaker 1: to do the same. I want to sit down and
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Speaker 1: actually properly listen to it, and I haven't been able
11:41
Speaker 1: to do that yet, So I will obviously at one point.
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Speaker 1: But I know I don't expect anything less from what
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Speaker 1: about just on the R and B side? Any any
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Speaker 1: fellow fellow ladies that you're doing and everyone? Kay Lonnie
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Speaker 1: just dropped her album, which shout out to Kay Lonnie.
11:54
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of Keana the day like
11:57
Speaker 1: you said money just when I know she just put
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Speaker 1: out another single. Who else is it. I love Snow
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Speaker 1: even though Snows Snow's album is almost a year old now,
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Speaker 1: I think, but I listened to it like it came up. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Snows music is like very like I just feel like
12:10
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when you're listen to on a
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Speaker 1: del album, you're like, I could hear this song at
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Speaker 1: a wedding in like one hundred and fifty years. So
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Speaker 1: I feel like Snow's music is very the Yeah she
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Speaker 1: I think you can like I could me personally, I
12:20
Speaker 1: can be in any mood, like whether I'm happy, sad,
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Speaker 1: like energetic or whatever, and Snow's music always just makes
12:26
Speaker 1: me feel like I'm like at peace, and I love that.
12:28
Speaker 1: I feel like you need like a balance of like
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Speaker 1: the turn up music and yeah, so Snow, I'm a
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Speaker 1: big fan of Snow Jasmine. When you're when you're trying
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Speaker 1: to turn up? What is the go to? City girls?
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Speaker 1: City girls? Shout out to the city girls. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: love them, They're amazing. They Yeah, they're torn. I think
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Speaker 1: they're torn with that. Oh Jack b Yeah, shout out
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Speaker 1: to Jack Harlan. He's doing Arenas, he's killing it, killing it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm really happy for him. It's very surprised he didn't
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Speaker 1: know ray J and Brandy were brother and sister. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I feel like everyone knows that. I mean we feel
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Speaker 1: like everyone knows that because we know it. But like
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was like like obviously I know that,
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Speaker 1: But like maybe he didn't grow up listening to Brandy.
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Speaker 1: And that's I feel like the Internet tries to like
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Speaker 1: they definitely make it's not a big time. It's not
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Speaker 1: a big ye stephone. Maybe he didn't get around, like
13:17
Speaker 1: you know, tapping in with Brandy like he said, he
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Speaker 1: was like no one's ever told him that in his life.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, shout out to Brandy. She's a legend
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Speaker 1: on this project. You also got a lot of on
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Speaker 1: the album. Lotto has been. She's such a sweetheart, Like
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Speaker 1: she's one of my favorite interviews I've done in a
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Speaker 1: long time. She's hilarious. Yeah, she's she's actually like so
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Speaker 1: personable but just so like super down to earth. She's
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Speaker 1: really funny, like you just said, Yeah, I met her
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Speaker 1: at studio. We were using the same studio just like randomly,
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Speaker 1: and she was next door and I just went in
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Speaker 1: there and I was like, Hi, I'm a big fan
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Speaker 1: and she was like, what are you like? You know,
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Speaker 1: she was really sweet to me, and she says child, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she was really sweet to me. And I had didn't
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Speaker 1: say the song that she's on. I had that from
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Speaker 1: the start of the recording process that was one of
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Speaker 1: the very first ones that I recorded and just never
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Speaker 1: had a second verse to it. And I was just like,
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Speaker 1: I think this is one that needs a feature. And
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Speaker 1: by the time we got around to like figuring the
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Speaker 1: features out, I already had already and I already had Lucky,
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Speaker 1: so I was like, I want a female so she
14:15
Speaker 1: kind of a yeah, a different bag for her to
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Speaker 1: be into. I feel like, yeah. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: what's so interesting about the song too, because I think
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Speaker 1: when you look at like Lma featuring Lot, you're like,
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Speaker 1: what's what in the world does this sound like? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: But she killed it, like literally she when she sent
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Speaker 1: me back the verse, it was everything I would have
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Speaker 1: wanted her to say, and I didn't even have to. Like,
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Speaker 1: but I don't like to tell people I want you
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Speaker 1: to say this, like, you know, I want you to
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Speaker 1: do whatever you do best, because that's the reason I would,
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Speaker 1: you know, want you to collaborate with me, And that
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Speaker 1: was the greatest part about that because the song obviously
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Speaker 1: spoke to her in the same way it spoke to me,
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Speaker 1: and she killed her ver so I was like, yeah,
14:48
Speaker 1: she killed it. You're writing process, break this down, because
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Speaker 1: I always see artists like I'm in the studio. Obviously
14:54
Speaker 1: we're in my recording studio right now, so I always
14:55
Speaker 1: see like, you know, I feel like nowadays when it
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Speaker 1: comes to rap people unchaining their lines. You're obviously a
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Speaker 1: prolific singer. You make prolific music. Thank you. Are you
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Speaker 1: writing ideas at home? Are you writing the beats? Like
15:08
Speaker 1: how is your kind of like process when it comes
15:10
Speaker 1: to like coming up with that is obviously you know,
15:12
Speaker 1: you can collaborate with other writers, but in terms of
15:14
Speaker 1: the stuff that you're like putting your pen down on, like,
15:17
Speaker 1: like what is that process for you? I don't really
15:19
Speaker 1: write at home, like if I have an idea. I know,
15:21
Speaker 1: like a lot of people will like start writing something
15:23
Speaker 1: if they see something whatever. I'm not really that type
15:25
Speaker 1: of person. I think I have to hear like a
15:30
Speaker 1: beat or hear some chords or something like that in
15:33
Speaker 1: order for inspiration to like come. I like to work
15:36
Speaker 1: off of whatever the beat or the chords make me
15:38
Speaker 1: feel like because like I don't want to I don't
15:40
Speaker 1: want to have an idea and going to the studio
15:41
Speaker 1: and be like this is what I need to make
15:43
Speaker 1: It feels very forced when I do. I know that
15:44
Speaker 1: works for some people. I rather just catch the vibe
15:47
Speaker 1: to what is that actually going on in the studio
15:49
Speaker 1: at that time and figure it out from there. That's
15:51
Speaker 1: really what we do most. We kind of like whether
15:53
Speaker 1: we're working to a beat or whether we're starting from scratch.
15:56
Speaker 1: If we're starting from scratch, it'll be like, okay, well
15:58
Speaker 1: kind of how do you feel today? And then we'll
15:59
Speaker 1: go for there and then obviously the chords will either
16:01
Speaker 1: be moody or they'll be happy. But I like to
16:04
Speaker 1: write in the studio, what's the song on the album?
16:07
Speaker 1: If you had to pick out one song that just
16:08
Speaker 1: came the easiest to you, where maybe you had something
16:10
Speaker 1: on your chest you just had to get it off,
16:11
Speaker 1: and it just was like it just happened so easy.
16:15
Speaker 1: Break my Heart was the quickest quickest one that we wrote.
16:17
Speaker 1: It literally took I don't even think it took more
16:19
Speaker 1: than half an hour. But it's funny because that's like
16:21
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs on the album. It's like
16:24
Speaker 1: it's quite simple, like the choruses if I could choose
16:29
Speaker 1: who could If I had to choose who could break
16:30
Speaker 1: my heart, it would be you, which is a nuts concept.
16:32
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, girl, what But it's kind of it's kind
16:35
Speaker 1: of sweet to say, but like I think people, I
16:38
Speaker 1: think people are misconstruing it. Like I'm not saying like
16:41
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose you to break my heart if
16:43
Speaker 1: I had to choose, like worst case scenario, if I
16:46
Speaker 1: had to choose, it would be you. Mm. Is that
16:49
Speaker 1: so that's like something you actually went through, right? Yeah? Yeah,
16:52
Speaker 1: this was my life in real time pandemic heartbreak. Yeah,
16:56
Speaker 1: I guess you could say that how do you get
16:58
Speaker 1: over heartbreak? In the pan because it's a very you know,
17:01
Speaker 1: it was a pretty wild I mean, I don't know
17:02
Speaker 1: if you were in LA a lot of the time.
17:04
Speaker 1: I spent quite a bit in the LA because lahit
17:06
Speaker 1: got kind of crazy out here. Yeah. In terms of
17:08
Speaker 1: like about that, like the first few months it felt
17:12
Speaker 1: like we were in a movie Gotham. Yeah. Yeah, I
17:15
Speaker 1: think to be fair, I like I wouldn't say it
17:20
Speaker 1: was like a super super bad like it was heartbreak, yes,
17:24
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like a super super bad breakup or
17:25
Speaker 1: anything that it wasn't ugly. Yeah, it wasn't ugly, So
17:29
Speaker 1: it wasn't as hard as it probably seems. And I
17:33
Speaker 1: have great friends and great family, so I think that's important,
17:35
Speaker 1: like even though they're not physically around during the pandemic,
17:38
Speaker 1: but like FaceTime makes you feel very a lot closer obviously,
17:42
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't really I don't really have like
17:44
Speaker 1: a step to step how I did it. I just
17:46
Speaker 1: kind of took it. Yeah, so it wasn't it wasn't
17:48
Speaker 1: anything crazy, Like you didn't getcheated on or anything. No, no, no, no,
17:51
Speaker 1: not that. The cheating shit is like the hardest thing
17:54
Speaker 1: to get over. I've gotten cheated on in my life
17:56
Speaker 1: before and it is very Yeah, it's bad. Do you
18:00
Speaker 1: feel like I had this conversation with my friend the
18:01
Speaker 1: other day, do you feel like you could stay with
18:03
Speaker 1: someone after they cheat? Like, do you think that the
18:05
Speaker 1: relationship is solvable? Almost in my case, I tried it out. Yeah,
18:14
Speaker 1: it didn't want but we have there was a kid involved,
18:17
Speaker 1: but it definitely since I lived through that, I would
18:21
Speaker 1: say probably not. I would say, like once that trust
18:24
Speaker 1: is probably violated. Like it's just hard, it's hard. It's
18:27
Speaker 1: probably hard to go. It's just yeah, I think it's harder.
18:28
Speaker 1: And I think, like, uh, I guess it. I mean, listen,
18:31
Speaker 1: circumstances are you know, they change, like I guess the
18:34
Speaker 1: case the case. But I would say, like, you know,
18:38
Speaker 1: it just depends. I guess it depends on what happened,
18:40
Speaker 1: how toxic the situation is, Like, hey, toxic situations. We
18:43
Speaker 1: don't want any any toxic situations over there. Yeah. Yeah,
18:46
Speaker 1: so I think like, yeah, if it's like something like
18:49
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was a part of a pretty
18:50
Speaker 1: terrible relationship, so you know, it was something that like
18:53
Speaker 1: I just try to make work over and over for
18:54
Speaker 1: my kid's sake. And the best thing I ever did
18:57
Speaker 1: was just like you know what I mean. So now
19:00
Speaker 1: I have my son who I have a custody of,
19:01
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So shout out to my son.
19:04
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was definitely. Yeah. I would say like
19:06
Speaker 1: if you get cheated on, I mean, look, everyone's different.
19:08
Speaker 1: I guess like, if the circumstances are crazy, then yeah,
19:12
Speaker 1: you should probably bounce. You should probably move on. What
19:16
Speaker 1: about you? Have you ever taken someone back after cheating.
19:18
Speaker 1: I've I haven't been cheated onto my knowledge. Oh well,
19:21
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. We'll shout out to you. You're
19:24
Speaker 1: fucking lucky. I know that's not the case that most
19:27
Speaker 1: people's most people's life. Yeah, we just had a topic
19:32
Speaker 1: on the radio where someone called in and they found
19:36
Speaker 1: out that their husband cheated like ten years prior, and
19:40
Speaker 1: like he pretty much admitted to it. I don't know,
19:42
Speaker 1: but never cheat it again after that. Right, So she
19:45
Speaker 1: found out that like ten years prior that he had cheated,
19:49
Speaker 1: and she was like, what should what should I do?
19:51
Speaker 1: What would you do if, like, let's say you were
19:53
Speaker 1: in a relationship, hypothetically you're with a guy for seven
19:55
Speaker 1: or eight years and you found out in the first
19:57
Speaker 1: year he cheated it, but you found out he hasn't
19:59
Speaker 1: cheated since. Would you would you kind of be like like,
20:03
Speaker 1: that's kind of a weird situation, right, It's a fifty
20:04
Speaker 1: to fifty because it's like, obviously I understand why he
20:08
Speaker 1: didn't tell her, but it's also like, well, you've kind
20:12
Speaker 1: of lied to me for all these years, so how
20:15
Speaker 1: you're pretty comfortable with lying to me? Yeah, so how
20:17
Speaker 1: can I actually even prove that you've never done it
20:19
Speaker 1: again one but two, Yeah, I don't know. I don't.
20:23
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I could, I could, I would
20:25
Speaker 1: much rather you tell me when it happened right away
20:27
Speaker 1: and let me deal with it and figure out whether
20:29
Speaker 1: I want to stay with you or not, and then
20:31
Speaker 1: we go from there as a posed like, but did
20:33
Speaker 1: she find out like she saw something and she asked
20:36
Speaker 1: him and then he admitted it, or he came out
20:38
Speaker 1: and was like ten years he admitted it, Like he
20:41
Speaker 1: came out to her and said ten years ago, che did. Yeah,
20:43
Speaker 1: I don't know predicament, But like you said, what works
20:47
Speaker 1: for one doesn't work for the other. Like, it's very circumstantial.
20:50
Speaker 1: It depends on the case. So I hope. I hope
20:52
Speaker 1: for her sake she finds happiness wherever it is. What
20:55
Speaker 1: is your go to binge watch TV shows? Ela May Oh, Euphoria, God,
21:01
Speaker 1: Love Love You, Oh my God. I'm obsessed, but I
21:04
Speaker 1: really don't watch that much TV, to be honest. I
21:06
Speaker 1: think somebody was just telling me I need to watch
21:10
Speaker 1: what's the show called? I can't even remember. I think
21:14
Speaker 1: Euphoria was probably the last thing I binged. Ye was
21:16
Speaker 1: your high school like even ten percent like Euphoria, not
21:20
Speaker 1: that I know of either. I was completely out of
21:23
Speaker 1: the loop and was like not part of the cool
21:24
Speaker 1: kids or yeah, no it wasn't. But I do understand
21:29
Speaker 1: how it's changed. I graduated high school ten years ago.
21:31
Speaker 1: Social media I think has really like just changed. Like
21:35
Speaker 1: I let my my son sixteen, and I let him
21:38
Speaker 1: watch Euphoria, and you know, he's a good kid. So
21:40
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, dude, but that shit better
21:43
Speaker 1: not be going on at your school, right, But he
21:45
Speaker 1: said that, He's like, no, there's kids who fucking will
21:48
Speaker 1: come to school super high. He was like, there's kids
21:50
Speaker 1: to sell pills, Like my damn yeah. I think the
21:53
Speaker 1: most that happened when I was in high school was
21:55
Speaker 1: like weed. I remember one time my some of my
21:59
Speaker 1: friends came to school drunk, but like it was such
22:02
Speaker 1: a one off that like they made it so hot,
22:06
Speaker 1: like they made it so bait that they were drunk
22:08
Speaker 1: that they got found out. So, which this is how
22:10
Speaker 1: you know you don't do this on a regulation right, right,
22:12
Speaker 1: because you got caught. Yeah you got caught, But they
22:14
Speaker 1: were just doing the most. But that was probably the
22:17
Speaker 1: only time I remember that other than people like who
22:19
Speaker 1: would smoke after school? I guess, but the Shouters and
22:22
Speaker 1: there she's a incredible Jesus amazing, it's actually wild amazing. Yeah,
22:28
Speaker 1: she should get all the awards for that show, like
22:31
Speaker 1: her acting and that show is amazing. Yeah, so just
22:33
Speaker 1: just euphoria. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now.
22:36
Speaker 1: I really don't know about any classics, like you ever
22:37
Speaker 1: watch friends, my wife and kids, watch my wife? I
22:43
Speaker 1: love my wife and kids. I don't even know I've
22:45
Speaker 1: heard of the show which guys in it? Who's in it?
22:47
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you being are you actually being serious?
22:49
Speaker 1: Let me just look up. Listen, there's so many Tisha
22:52
Speaker 1: Campbell's Damon Damon, which I get confused by all of them,
22:59
Speaker 1: Damon Way uh uh, Paul and McKenna when she was
23:03
Speaker 1: really I remember the show, Yes, yeah, I never watched
23:07
Speaker 1: it though, Oh my god, how can you not? I
23:09
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not really into like besides, like if
23:12
Speaker 1: I'm like going super old. I loved like Martin Seinfeld
23:17
Speaker 1: hanging with mister Cooper, but like kind of the newer sitcoms,
23:22
Speaker 1: I just kind of just didn't tap in, you know what.
23:24
Speaker 1: I can't always been binge watching I'll never get tired of.
23:27
Speaker 1: That's so raven. That's so raven. See, I'm totally I mean,
23:30
Speaker 1: I know who that I know the show, I know who.
23:32
Speaker 1: Shout out to her, Raven Simone, but I never watched it.
23:34
Speaker 1: That's so raven. Was like almost like my like I
23:38
Speaker 1: thought I was raven. My kids would watch The Sweet
23:40
Speaker 1: Life with Zach and Cochy, so that was like, you know,
23:45
Speaker 1: like Disney Disney Channel era. So like Lisa Maguire, I'm
23:48
Speaker 1: obviously older than you, Okay, Okay, yeah, no, I think kids.
23:53
Speaker 1: I could always been Shout out to Damon Wayns. Have
23:55
Speaker 1: you ever seen Major Payne with Damon Wayns? You gotta
23:58
Speaker 1: watch a movie. I was gonna say, is that movie? Yeah,
24:01
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25:23
Speaker 1: because like I feel like I was just we just
25:24
Speaker 1: had Junior Troy up here is obviously from the UK,
25:26
Speaker 1: and we were kind of talking about how like, you know,
25:28
Speaker 1: for so long, I feel like, obviously your genre music
25:32
Speaker 1: is very receptive in the States, but for so long,
25:37
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it was like a little
25:40
Speaker 1: harder for UK artists to kind of break over here
25:42
Speaker 1: kind of doing UK shit. But I feel like, you know,
25:45
Speaker 1: drill is kind of changing the drill, and I don't
25:47
Speaker 1: think a lot of people understand that. Like obviously, drill
25:50
Speaker 1: started in Chicago, but like the UK drill scene is
25:53
Speaker 1: what inspired the Brooklyn drill scene. And I just feel
25:57
Speaker 1: like right now in the States, like the UK's got
25:59
Speaker 1: its fingerprints on everything, Like yeah, I mean a lot
26:01
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know what I mean, And I think
26:03
Speaker 1: like I don't know what happened, but you know, obviously,
26:05
Speaker 1: like yourself, Ed sheering Adele, you know, you guys are superstars.
26:11
Speaker 1: But in terms of just like you know, I guess
26:13
Speaker 1: because I feel like I know afrobeat is you know
26:16
Speaker 1: a lot of that's but I feel like I feel
26:17
Speaker 1: like that popped off in the UK first, and then yeah,
26:22
Speaker 1: afrobeat so jo you talking about afrobeats. Yeah, that's been
26:24
Speaker 1: a thing in the UK forever. Yeah, forever, literally, I
26:28
Speaker 1: think so, like you said, social media makes things a
26:31
Speaker 1: lot more accessible and makes people like as crazy as
26:34
Speaker 1: it is because there's a lot of stuff on there
26:36
Speaker 1: that we really don't need to take care of course,
26:38
Speaker 1: of course, it's also great in terms of just like
26:40
Speaker 1: being able to reach people or things being able to
26:44
Speaker 1: reach you that you would have never known if you
26:46
Speaker 1: were just I don't know, in the middle of America
26:48
Speaker 1: somewhere randomly and you don't really travel or something like that.
26:51
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think social media plays a big role
26:53
Speaker 1: in that. Also, Yeah, it's crazy. Since your last album
26:56
Speaker 1: came out, TikTok has been a it's became a thing.
26:58
Speaker 1: TikTok is wild. I don't feel like you. I mean, listen,
27:01
Speaker 1: there's no music for TikTok, but I don't feel like
27:03
Speaker 1: you're like a you know, a TikTok artist, not really
27:07
Speaker 1: at all, right, but like it is. It is the
27:10
Speaker 1: things that go viral on TikTok, there's no explanation behind them.
27:13
Speaker 1: It just happens. But like is the label like in
27:17
Speaker 1: your head about TikTok now, oh lord, because it's I
27:20
Speaker 1: can only imagine it's extremely obnoxious. I can't stand TikTok is,
27:24
Speaker 1: so it's such a fucking headache, even for me. I
27:28
Speaker 1: don't have it. I don't have TikTok on my phone.
27:30
Speaker 1: I have a TikTok, I don't run it. But it's
27:34
Speaker 1: very It's funny to me because I just saw something
27:36
Speaker 1: where I think it was Charlie XCX and she was like,
27:40
Speaker 1: this is my eighth TikTok that my label are trying
27:42
Speaker 1: to force me to do blah blah blah. She was joking,
27:44
Speaker 1: but like I felt her so much because it but
27:47
Speaker 1: like I understand it. Obviously a label trying to make
27:50
Speaker 1: that money. Of course, that's where the attentions at. Yeah,
27:52
Speaker 1: that's where the attention is right now, and I'm sure
27:55
Speaker 1: in a couple of years it will be something else.
27:56
Speaker 1: And the kids love TikTok and it's just such a
27:59
Speaker 1: ridiculous platform. Yeah I don't. I've never personally gotten into it.
28:02
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with it obviously, but
28:04
Speaker 1: it's just thank God because you'd be on your phone
28:06
Speaker 1: just scrolling because that album they got the best algorithm
28:08
Speaker 1: in the world on TikTok. They got to figure it out.
28:10
Speaker 1: Speaking of algorithm algorithm just in general. Right now, I
28:14
Speaker 1: feel like on social media is just like really weird.
28:17
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what's going on. Yeah, it's I
28:20
Speaker 1: don't know. Twitter is a wild place right now. Twitter's
28:24
Speaker 1: always been the wild wild West, though it is Twitter platform.
28:28
Speaker 1: You know what what I hate about Twitter is if
28:31
Speaker 1: someone you know is a creep and they like some
28:33
Speaker 1: nasty shit on Twitter, you see it, it pops up
28:37
Speaker 1: on your feet and it says so and so like this,
28:39
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the fuck I didn't want to
28:42
Speaker 1: see this? Yeah. No, I think I think Twitter is
28:44
Speaker 1: weir a weird place because I think Twitter gives people
28:49
Speaker 1: a reason to think that their opinion is fat. Yeah.
28:52
Speaker 1: I think that's what's wrong. And don't get me wrong.
28:54
Speaker 1: Twitter is hilarious. That's part of Twitter that is just
28:57
Speaker 1: like we'll have you really really dying. But anybody types
29:02
Speaker 1: anything and it can go viral, especially now, and then
29:05
Speaker 1: they think that like their opinion, yeah, for their experts,
29:09
Speaker 1: they're super educated about something and it's like, bro, your
29:12
Speaker 1: opinion is in fact, it can be obviously people agree
29:14
Speaker 1: with it, yes, But now now we've got people walking
29:17
Speaker 1: around thinking that they like know everything, and it's just like,
29:21
Speaker 1: are you a fan of Elon Musk trying to buy
29:23
Speaker 1: Twitter and fix it up? I don't really have an
29:25
Speaker 1: opinion on it, to be honest, I don't know enough
29:27
Speaker 1: about him to Do you have a tesla? I don't know,
29:30
Speaker 1: not yet. With these gas prices you might need to
29:32
Speaker 1: get Listen, it's crazy. I don't understand what not even
29:35
Speaker 1: just gas prices though, but just like inflation in general,
29:38
Speaker 1: it's just like it's actually wild right now. I went
29:40
Speaker 1: to buy Hamburger meat and I was like how much? What?
29:43
Speaker 1: It was like fucking nineteen dollars? What? It was crazy? Yeah, yeah, inflation.
29:49
Speaker 1: There's a baby formula shortly. I've heard about that. Yeah,
29:53
Speaker 1: the gas prices are crazy. Shit's wild right now. It's
29:57
Speaker 1: still kind of in a pandemic. Did you buy Like,
30:00
Speaker 1: are you a homeowner? If you don't mind me asking, So,
30:02
Speaker 1: you got to buy a house. You probably got a
30:04
Speaker 1: good interest rate? Then, uh yeah I did, because right
30:08
Speaker 1: now the interest rates were yeah, no it was it
30:10
Speaker 1: was a little while ago. Okay, okay, oh, then you're
30:13
Speaker 1: you're rich. You're up, you're super up. I mean you're
30:16
Speaker 1: rich anyway, but like you're up on the house for sure.
30:18
Speaker 1: I mean I guess for sure. I just buy my
30:21
Speaker 1: first house so well, not my first house ever, but
30:23
Speaker 1: my first house in LA. It was expensive, I think,
30:27
Speaker 1: and honestly, and I've lived now in three major cities
30:29
Speaker 1: I live obviously, I'm from London. I've lived in New York,
30:32
Speaker 1: I live in LA. I like to like go back
30:35
Speaker 1: and forth, but I'm I'm so used to the city that,
30:38
Speaker 1: like if I was to go down south, and I understand,
30:41
Speaker 1: it's like so much cheaper down there, and then you
30:42
Speaker 1: can get a lot more for your money, but like,
30:45
Speaker 1: I just have to. I don't think I can function
30:47
Speaker 1: in somewhere that's not like a city, right, like a
30:50
Speaker 1: major city, right, and they're always expensive. Like which out
30:54
Speaker 1: of those three places, obviously London is home, But just
30:57
Speaker 1: in terms of livability, what do you like the most
31:00
Speaker 1: New York, London or LA. I'd probably say here. Yeah,
31:03
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I go to New York and
31:06
Speaker 1: I understand why everyone's there is like an asshole loky,
31:09
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a very like imagine
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Speaker 1: like every everybody's just walking to work and you're next
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Speaker 1: to them, and then you have to take the train
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Speaker 1: with everyone quite similar. Everyone's in a rush. No one
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Speaker 1: London like when like you know, you always hear like
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Speaker 1: if in New York, if you get mugged, like everyone
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Speaker 1: just keeps it moving, and I'm like I went and
31:26
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I get it. Now you see
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that happens, like in in the
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Speaker 1: subway in New York. Like if you like on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: I'll just see the wildest stuff that happens. And it's
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Speaker 1: just like people just like if you're on the train
31:37
Speaker 1: right and someone like starts breaking out, dancing or just
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Speaker 1: doing random stuff obviously for social media, but like new
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Speaker 1: Yorker's are not even affected by out. They mind their
31:45
Speaker 1: fucking business. Literally, you would think nothing's going with New
31:48
Speaker 1: York is like the king of mining your business, and
31:50
Speaker 1: it's the capital of mining your fucking business. Yeah, you
31:53
Speaker 1: go to New York, people don't give a fuck. They
31:55
Speaker 1: are trying to get home, they're trying to get to work.
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Speaker 1: I get it, though, Yeah, I just stand it. I
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Speaker 1: completely understand it, and I think London's similar. It's not
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's as like, it's definitely as fast paced,
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Speaker 1: I would say, but I think people are a little
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Speaker 1: more what's the right word hospitable. Yeah, Like if something's happening,
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Speaker 1: I think someone will at least try and help or
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Speaker 1: whatever else. Do you feel like London gets a bad
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Speaker 1: rap on food because anytime I ever hear about UK food,
32:21
Speaker 1: everyone says it's super bland and it's yeah, but I
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Speaker 1: understand why. I think you have to obviously know where
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Speaker 1: to go. I think that's anywhere, and I think that
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Speaker 1: a lot of the places, even in any city actually
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Speaker 1: that I've been in, a lot of the good food
32:35
Speaker 1: is not obviously in the touristy parts. That's like the
32:39
Speaker 1: I tell people to get off yelp. Yeah, that's the
32:41
Speaker 1: but that's the generic food, Like you know, they're trying
32:43
Speaker 1: to appease a lot of different people. Because this is
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Speaker 1: a tourist area. You have to go to like the
32:47
Speaker 1: hood or go to like the real cultured places in
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Speaker 1: order to get good food. I think that's most places
32:52
Speaker 1: that I've been to be fair lastic breakdown. Just the
32:55
Speaker 1: name of your album part of my sleeve. Yeah, I
32:59
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty much what it says. I think I
33:01
Speaker 1: wear my arm and not even I think I know,
33:03
Speaker 1: I know you do. Yeah, just in general, Yeah, it
33:06
Speaker 1: was a great listen, a great album. Thank you. I'm
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Speaker 1: assuming there's videos already shot that are coming soon. Tour coming, Yeah,
33:13
Speaker 1: we're planning it right now. So definitely. Are you excited
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Speaker 1: to get back on the road. It's my favorite part
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Speaker 1: of all of this touring, Yes, going and seeing the
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Speaker 1: people singing along to your songs. Is there like anything
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Speaker 1: that feels better than that? When you're performing a song
33:24
Speaker 1: and you got, you know, all these people singing word
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Speaker 1: for word, It's literally unmatched. It's the best feeling ever
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Yeah, well, Ellen, may I appreciate
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Speaker 1: you coming through, Thank you, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Go get the album, Yes, and go watch my wife
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Speaker 1: and kids.