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Apologetics Series 2024 - Part 4: Secularism & Progressive Christianity | Samuel Nesan & Andy Yeoh · Generations Church

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Hey there, you're listening to the Generation's Church podcast. We pray that the
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word of God today will challenge, change and channel you into your God given
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destiny. Now let's get started. Today we're dealing with something called secularism and
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progressive Christianity. You may also have heard about something called the work movement.
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Now they are not all exactly the same things, but they intersect at certain
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points. So we hope to discuss that today. You know, one,
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I'm going to pass the time to the Guru who will take us through some
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foundational introduction thoughts. But how today will work largely is going to be based
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on your questions, is said, all right, It's going to be based
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on your questions, and so if you don't ask questions, we will end
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early. Some might like that, Okay, So as we think about these
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things, some of the issues, some of the topics, some of the
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I guess struggles that you may encounter as we talk about these things is things
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like you know, secularism is the different ways to explain it. But basically
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people who subscribe to this want to basically separate religion from everything else, Like,
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for example, we separate the state from the church, or the state
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from religion, so you may start writing laws that is purely secular and has
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nothing to do with any religion or any religious background. For something like that.
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Right now, you can imagine that can bring up other issues. Right
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For example, if religion tells you this is a man, this is a
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woman, and you remove religion from laws that return, then you start to
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have your own definition. So those kind of issues might crop up. Right.
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Progressive Christianity again in show. If you do a Google search, you
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will find all chapes of answers. But in short is it's Christianity, but
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almost without Jesus. It's all about love as long as there's love, and
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it sounds good because God is love. But they almost make it like love
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is God. Yes, those things are not indigenegtable. It's like this doesn't
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work. I know it's English where it doesn't work that way. God is
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love, but we might be very careful Love is not God. But in
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progressive Christianity that it's thought that you know, as long as it's done out
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of love, as long as we love God and love people. As long
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as it's love, then it's okay. Very fine and very thin line,
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very dangerous grounds to be on. But let me just hand over to Samon
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now and then he will start us off with some foundational thoughts and then we'll
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see what questions we will come up Besides why am I so handsome? We
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actually discussed that question in class yesterday. Actually, why is past that day
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so handsome? We're not kidding. You can ask him that later, all
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right, but thank you, pasty do. I want to start off by
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reading from Genesis chapter three, and if you have your Bibles, please open
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with me to Genesis chapter three. If you don't have your Bibles, well,
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I guess that's what Google is for, all right. So let's go
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to Genesis chapter three, and I want to read from Worse one to seven.
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All right, Worse one to seven. And you may be wondering what
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has this got to do with secularism the woke movement, And in short,
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my answer is everything. All right, So let's go Genesis chapter one.
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So Genesis chapter three was one to seven. I'm gonna read this, and
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after I'm done reading this, I will say this is the word of the
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Lord. And I hope you can say thanks be to God if you can
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do that. All right, let's do that. So Genesis chapter three worse
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one. Now, the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the
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field that the Lord God had me. He said to the woman, did
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God actually say, you shall not eat off any tree in the garden.
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And a woman said to the serpent, we may eat of the fruit of
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the trees in the garden. But God said, you shall not eat of
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the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden. Neither
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shall you touch it lest you die worse four. But the serpent said to
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the woman, you will not surely die, for God knows when you eat
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of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,
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knowing good and evil. When a woman saw. When a woman saw
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that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to
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the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,
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she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave some to her
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husband, who was with her, and he hate. Then the eyes of
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both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And
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he sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loinclothes. Brother says, this is
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in Christ, this is the word of the law God. Let's look to
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God in prayer. Before we start, God, we once again want to
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come to you and ask you that even as we address a topic that is
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a sensitive one, something that is so relevant to this time and this age,
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we pray that you be with us. We pray that you guide us,
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that we not only understand this topic, but we see it in the
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light of the way you see it. We pray that your users to deal
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with people that struggle with this. We ask all this in Jesus name.
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Amen, fantastic, great, thank you. Now what is this going to
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do with secularism? Well, I said everything, because fundamental to this idea
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of secularism are two words. One is the word secular, which comes from
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the Latin word for world. Now, in Latin we are two words for
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world, not one. One of the words for world is mundum. The
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other is where you get the word secular. Now what's the difference, you
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may ask, Well, the normal word in Latin for world actually deals with
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space. The world is in a space to live with, to live to
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a place where it is. But secular deals more with a time concept.
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So it's not just the world, but the world as it is today.
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What is it currently in the state So now the word ism, on the
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other hand, deals with a worldview, a way in which we perceive the
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world around us. And so when you put these two together, secularism has
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to do with prioritizing the way we see the world as it is today.
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Now, all that said, what's wrong with that? And what's wrong with
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being modern? You know? Should we be archaic all the time? Should
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we speak in King James language? The now? Thine, No, that's
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not what we're saying. What we're saying, rather, is that the whole
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debate as to whether secularism is legitimate or not bolts down to this one question
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who is Lord? Because in secularism, who really is Lord? We are?
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You don't get to tell me what gender I am sounds familiar. I
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may look like a man, Doctor v may do some scientific tests and you
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know, some tests my chromosomes and realize I'm a man, But it doesn't
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matter, because what I feel is independent of what you and I what anyone
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else may say. So secularism will emphasize your truth. Have you heard that
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saying before your truth? This is well, there's no such thing as your
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truth. There's only your opinion. It's the truth. And so secularism says
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that you are Lord. And number two, secularism kind of contradicts the idea
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that God has even spoken, which is why foundational to the idea of secularism
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is the distinction between church and state. Now I'm not saying that church and
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state should be one. That's not what I'm saying. But the idea that
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there is a fundamental difference between what God says and what we think is the
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very foundation of secularism. Don't bring God into the classroom, they will say.
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Now, in the French Constitution, like cite, I think is that
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the French word for this. This is foundational to the French Constitution. It's
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Article one in the French Constitution, this separation between church and state. Don't
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let God have anything to do with the way things are run. God can
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be in his own little compartment, that's the religious compartment, and secularism will
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run it on its own. Here's the problem. Secularism is in itself a
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form of religion. It's a religion that denies all other religion, but it
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is in fact a religion because it has a particular view of God, namely
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that God did not speak, which is why many secularists tend to be atheists.
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Now, you can still call yourself a Christian and be a secularist,
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but in many ways, the form of atheism those people embrace will be what
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we call practical atheism. That is, on the one hand, saying that
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God exists, but functioning as if he doesn't. So ultimately, when you
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look through the story of the Garden of Eden, we realize that secularism is
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not a modern concept. It's something that was already there, even before Sin
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came into the world. Secularism is Satan saying to the woman number one,
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did God really say? Why? Because if I can challenge whether or not
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God actually said something, then I can introduce any moral ideas that I want
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to God really saying it's wrong to be gay? God really say that transgenderism
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is sin? The God really really say that abortion is wrong? Why I
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had all these rules? I mean, it's not as if God really spoke,
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now, did he? Because when you come to Jesus and Jesus addresses
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the same enemy Satan, Jesus will repeat three phrase, one phrase, three
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times? What is that phrase? It is written? It written, it
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is written. Why does Jesus do that? It's set up. God already
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said, so when you come to the foundation of where the fall begins,
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it is Satan number one questioning did God say it? Did God ever say?
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And number two, Satan challenges God's word worse for Satan says, you
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will not die. Secularism God says to man that he is Lord. Secularism
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is man saying no, I'm Lord, I get to define my destiny.
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God says, this is sin. Who is God to say what I mean?
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Who is God to impose his moral values on me? I decide for
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myself. And ultimately, secularism itself is the very attempt to become God,
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because, as you will see, Satan's entire temptation to the woman is that
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when you eat of it verse five, you will be like God. And
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so, under the pretense of a certain knowledge, secularism comes in and says,
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well you can you know? You ultimately are important, which is why
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another close con except to secularism is called humanism. Humanism is the idea that
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humanity is the ultimate good, that humanity is the priority forget God, humanity
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is now. Secularism and humanism are two distinct concepts, but they usually come
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together, which is a concept we know as secular humanism. They come together.
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They're like guys in the same car, right, they may be different,
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but they take a ride with each other. And so ultimately, when
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what we're going to do is I think a lot of times Christians look at
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issues like homosexuality, transgenderism, abortion, progressive Christianity and we say that these
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are we treat them like they're different things. Actually they're not. They're very
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much related to one foundational concept. That concept is the lordship of men.
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And so that's what we want to tackle. And ultimately, of course our
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goal pass andy will be to show today and man is not lord. The
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true salvation is realizing two things. Number One, none of us are bond
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straight, because one of the key argives and says, what if I was
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born that way? Can I tell you how I was born? I was
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born sinful. I was not born straight, not born straight as in I'm
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not talking about sexual identity here, I'm saying I was born sinful, I
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was bound crooked. And none of us are born right. The Bible says
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all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Ultimately, how
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are we made right before God? It is not in saying this is how
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I was born. It is in realizing I need to be born again.
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I need to be born in the likeness of Jesus. The spiritual birth must
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take place. I am not what God created me to be. I'm a
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fallen human being and I need this new birth. This new birth can only
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come by repentance and are turning to Christ realizing my identity is not who I
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am. My identity is Jesus Christ. That's the remedy of it. Not
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It's a shot over your pastor and then we can deal with the nitty gritty
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details in Jesabit. Let's do that. Yes, I expected. We have
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many questions already, but the most popular question is not quite related. Do
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you want to look at it? I'm not sure. It's a question about
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Lucifer and why didn't God just bring Lucifer back? Since God is so all
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powerful. Yeah, do we do with that? Yeah? Sure, I
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don't mind. Yeah, I mean, well, it's not directly related,
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but we did touch on Satan. Yes. The problem is this, Lucifer
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is not in the Bible. I hear this all the time, Lucifer the
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Bible. What does the Bible say about Lucifer? The woorld Lucifer is not
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in the Bible. The word lucifer comes from Latin barrel of light. The
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Bible was written in Hebrew, right, so it's not the world lucifer is
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not in a Bible. You'll find it in the King James version. But
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that's a mistranslation because prior to the King James version, the the main Bibles
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that they would use were Latin. So there's a Latin influence on the sixteen
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eleven King James. But the wood lucifer is strictly speaking, not in the
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Hebrew at all. Now the quiz in us, I guess why did God
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not just lock up Satan? Right, Well, that would be to assume
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that Satan's very existence is a problem to God. It's no problem to God.
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He's in control of all human affairsus we testified last week, which means
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even though Satan things that he's leading Judas to betray Jesus, falls right within
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the plan of God. If Satan thinks that he's trying to kill Jesus,
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falls right within the plan of God. Satan tried to kill Jesus at his
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birth. Think about this, When Jesus was born, Satan tried to kill
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him at his birth. You know what that actually resulted in? Who else
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in the Old Testament nearly got killed at his birth Moses? It ended up
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showing Jesus as the new Moses. And just like Moses had a miraculous escave,
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Jesus had a miraculous escape. Okay, where did Moses have the miraculous
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escape too? Egypt? Where did Jesus have the miraculous escape? Two?
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Studying the pattern, so Satan's attempt to go against God actually results in Jesus
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fulfilling biblical prophecy which Matthew chapter two says out of Egypt, I call my
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son. So thanks very much Satan for the help. Right, So,
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ultimately I would say that the reason God doesn't restrain Satan right now he will
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one day, it's because it's not as if he's he's attempting to go against
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God, but in doing so, he fulfills God's plans in the ultimate sense.
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Right, Great, let's move the next question, and this is of
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course more related, and it's got to do with I'll just read the question.
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It is as it is. How do you speak up? I assume
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you here meaning us as believers, as a body of Christ, as Christians
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who believe in the Bible. Yeah, So how do you speak up against
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the LGBTQ plus community without sounding judgmental? And to what extent you show acceptance
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of the person? So I assume the person being part of the LGBTQ community
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when the person him or herself is so confused, So how do you I
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guess it's a question of like, where do you stand and how do you
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stand on the side of what's right? Yeah, at the same time,
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be understanding, be accepting things like that you want to go first, and
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then what you want you start first? Okay, All right, Now,
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when we first started this church, we did declare that this will be a
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church for all all generations. Right, we boldly put a word like that.
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And then it's a scary love when you put all all means all ut
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uh. And when we when we say when we say generations, we also
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kind of qualify that we don't just mean age groups. We mean all kinds
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of people, all kinds of people that will if we say all, then
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that would include even those from the l g b d Q community. We
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also did say when you first started the church, and we're not so different
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now than a year ago. That while we know that a church, the
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church is for everyone, I did admit that we don't necessarily know how to
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deal with the issue completely. Like if someone were to walk in here and
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they're from the LGBTQ community, right, do I know all the fifteen steps
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on how to deal with the whole situation if the person signs up for the
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worship team and wants to audition, or wants to be a gend kiss teacher,
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or wants to preach up here, all of those nuances are very very
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detailed. Do we know exactly what we'll do? Yet? We have a
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bit more ideas now better I didn't now than a year ago. But this
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is an important question because if we really want to be a church where we
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preach Jesus, and we should preach Jesus to everyone, and we want everyone
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to be able to hear the Gospel, then we must be ready. We
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must be ready. Yeah. Now, as far as I know now,
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I think there's a very big difference between accepting and agreeing. Accepting something is
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not the same as agree with something. Right, He's an Arsenal fan,
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I'm a Liverpool fan. We're not the best of friends at the moment.
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Football terms, the football terms, because we are competing for the same price.
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Right, I can accept him as a friend. I can accept his
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choices of a football team, you know, an inferior one, but not
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I feel have you seen the table lately? Uh? Yeah, the same
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points. But do I agree with his choices? No? Do I wish
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he had a different choice. I do because then we can be like even
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more friends. But can can you see in the very simple way now what
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I mean by I accept his choices, but I don't agree with his choices?
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Right? I think that will be a good guiding thought. Accepting someone
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It's not the same as agree with their lifestyle choices. Now you go into
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like even more once. It's like also, if the person invites you to
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his wedding, will you go? Uh? And if you go doesn't mean
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that you support the entire idea of being LGBTQ. I think it's not a
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it's not a maybe maybe it's just me. I don't think it's a one
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answer that fits all. I think it would depend on the person. Is
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he my cousin, is he my brother? Or see just someone I met
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yesterday? It all depends. I think it all depends. But I would
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definitely make it very clear that accepting the person is not the same agreeing with
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his choices. For example, Also, if I can use another analogy,
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my child, my son or my daughter, they're at this age right now,
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and then he maybe you want and it comes from and say, Daddy,
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I learned something new today. Two plus two is nine. He's clearly
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wrong. He's clearly wrong, right, and now I have a choice as
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a parent do I? And he seems confident dry two plus two is nine.
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I got it. I figured it out. It is nine, and
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nobody can tell me. Otherwise I could go straight say son, you dumb
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boy, you two plus is not nine? Like who thought you that?
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You? You dumboe? You silly? I could do that and make my
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point. Or I could say, wow, how do you get nine from
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two plus two? Can you show me? Uh? And and And the
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reason I might do that is because I need to simultaneously tell him that son,
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I love you. You can get math wrong, you can get the
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ingredients of making cookie wrong, but you're still my son. So it's it's
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a very important balance to be able to communicate that I love you even if
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your math is wrong, even if your your incredients are wrong, even if
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you know didn't do your chores. I love you. And then I feel
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like it's up to me being the more mature one, and I would I
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would say this, and I know what this is offensive. I would say
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Christian is more mature in the revelation than a non Christian because we know,
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we know things that others don't write. So then say, therefore it falls
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on the mature to handle the immature. You know what I'm saying. So
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our with lot, a lot of love, but not just mental. So
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I would then have to, with my son as an example, patiently bring
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him to a place where he understands because two plus two is still not nine,
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right, I don't care what he believes, and what he thinks is
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still not nine. And I'm not saying just because I say, oh,
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I love you anyway while you attempt the math, that's so good, I'm
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not saying two plus two is nine. I'm not agree that it's nine.
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But I have to lovingly show him that two plus two is not nine.
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It is indeed for and I think that the key the challenge is in that,
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in that gap, how do I show them love and then bring them
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to truth? So how do I speak up against LGBT community? Do we
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speak up against the community? Yeah? Or could I be more specific?
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And I speak up against the lifestyle that the community practices, because if if
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community means the people, then I will find a way to tell them,
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Hey, I love you, and I love you so much. I want
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you to know the truth. But I can speak up against but that lifestyle
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is wrong, the practice is wrong, the act is wrong. And do
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we speak up? Yeah? We speak up? How to sound not judgmental?
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I think it's difficult to not sound judgemental because you are passing a judgment
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when you say. When you say something is right or wrong, it is
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a judgment. So I don't think the goal here is not to sound judgmental,
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not judgmental. Goal is to sound whether whether you sound loving or not,
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you can I mean, I can tell my son two plus two is
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not nine and do it lovingly. But I don't think I can do it
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without judging. I don't know I say two plus two is not nine without
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actually judging that two plus two is not nine. But I can do so
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lovingly. Is it too abstract to wage hope? Hope he helps? And
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if it's two vague please fall up with another question and never pick it up
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from there. You have something to add. I just want to add real
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quick. When we talk about the LGBT community, we're talking essentially about four
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Well, when you talk about LGBT, you're talking essentially about four kind of
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things here, and sometimes they you lum people lump them together without even realizing
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it. Number one, LGBT we can can be a disposition, which means
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we call that same sex attraction where people you know are attracted to the same
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sex, but they don't have to necessarily commit the or to fulfill the attraction.
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It's just I attracted, right, So the whole thing is in disposition.
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Number one is the disposition sin yes or no? No? Of course
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not no way in the Bible is a disposition sin Now when I say that,
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every time people are thinking of Matthew Chapter five, where Jesus says if
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you look lustfully at someone, you've committed sin. Yes, looking lustfully and
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having an attraction or two different things. Right, As a straight man,
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I have attraction towards women. I don't look lassually at women. That's different,
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right, You can be attracted to the opposite sex without being lustful to
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the opposite sex. So likewise, you can have same sex attraction without being
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lustful to the members of the same sex. So that's one. That's number
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one, and it's an attraction. It's a real problem, and it's not
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sinful. It's a problem. Nonetheless, in a world that is not fallen,
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you won't have this attraction. But we live in a fallen world.
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Number two, same sex attraction, Well that's one. Number two. It
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deals with the action, the action of committing same or fulfilling same sex attraction.
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Right, the Bible says that if a man sleeps with the man as
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a man sleeps with a woman, it's an abomination unto the Lord. That's
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Leviticus eighteen. I believe. So when you come to verses like that,
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we notice right off the get go that the Bible condemns the action. The
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action is what is being judged, not the person. The action is being
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judged. Number three. LGBT community or the person behind this, the person
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struggling with the same sex attraction, a person committing the action. It's a
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person. Now we can label your identity as LGBT, but that is a
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person that is an image bearer of God. And I say we love the
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person. We care for the person. We be gracious and as gentle as
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the scripture will allow us to be. But we do speak the truth because
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we are ultimately ambassadors of God. Now, fourth, and finally, you
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come with the LGBT agenda slash community. Now, the LGBT agenda slash community
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doesn't always have to be people who are part of the LGBT in practice.
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For all you know, it could be just straight people who are supporting them
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in this agenda slash community. Right. The point of the agenda is to
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advocate a sense of normativeness about this, you know, to try and push
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and lobby and say this is normal, it should be allowed everywhere. And
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I have one thing to say about the LGBT agenda. Fight it. I'm
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at war with the LGBT agenda. I want to destroy the LGBT agenda at
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all costs. But I love the LGBT person. Why because I think the
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greatest enemy of the LGBT community the person is the LGBT agenda. It's someone
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with cancer, and then you've got people advocating that cancer it's okay, you
26:22
don't have to deal with it. That's your enemy. It's not okay.
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You need a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ. But you are resisting
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that savior because you have an echo chamber of people who may or not may
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not even be gay, who are telling you it's okay, that's okay to
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live with. And I'm I'm at war with dead voice the agenda because I
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love the person. I care about where they're going to go. I don't
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care that they like me now. I would much rather than hate me right
26:48
now and hopefully let the message of the Gospel sing true, that they repent,
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that they may find favor with Christ on the last day. Then to
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let them love me now and then just face Christ in judgment. So I'm
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okay with being that bad guy, but I completely want the second one passed
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the NDC. The tone in which we engage the person must be love,
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must not just be loving. Some people think speaking the truth is love.
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Yes, and no, speaking the truth can be loved. But the way
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we're told is to speak the truth in love. The manner in which we
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communicate must be loving. So I just want to second everything that you said,
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past great interestingly, just a few days ago, a young person that
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I used to pastor many years ago, I don't know. Out of the
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blue, reached out to me on Instagram added me, and I at it
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back. Didn't have the person's name at first when I added, but so
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later on the person introduced himself and say, hey, I'm sorry so long
27:45
time, no see blah blah blah. And I checked out the profile and
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I had this feeling like, hey, this, uh, not good to
27:52
judge that, but I look at the pictures and I'm like, wow,
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but these guys changed a lot. Wow and and true enough, after a
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few exchange of texts, this person said, hey, no, before that,
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I said I had to update this person because it wasn't things. I'm
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still in ex church, so I said, hey, I'm no longer there.
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I'm not in a new church. Would you like to come and check
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it out? No, I'll do that right And he said, oh no,
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lah, Pastor, I I no longer go to church. I don't
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really do the church thing now. And I'm like, okay, it's fine.
28:26
And then later he said, hey, Pastor, like your opinion on
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something, if you don't mind, what do you think about the LGBTQ community?
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And I'm like, ah, okay, all right, great, So
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what do I do I said, let's meet up and talk. Let's meet
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up and talk instead of engaging on on on texts and stuff. Of course,
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that that would be to me an example of doing it in love,
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reaching to the person, sitting down, have a conversation, not judging.
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I think being there over the coffee table with this person would then show that
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accepting the person and hearing him out and then share what I think. I
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don't know. I don't know. If it's just he's just having a disposition,
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is he leaving the lifestyle, is he actively in the relationship. I
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don't know all that. But it's interesting that this todays Will delivered this and
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just a few days ago, this young boy reached out to me and I
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don't know why. I don't know. Can you tell me if my face
29:33
is that handsome? That that in my In my sixteen years seventeen years of
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being a pastor, they always look for me like like people who either they
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struggle with the attraction, they tend to reach out to me and like hey,
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they tend to tell me. So I don't know, I don't know.
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When I started a church, I invited one or two guys, so
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one person that I tried to invite to church. Absolutely hates me right now.
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Uh yeah, hates me because because completely misunderstment, misunderstood me when I
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started a church and I kind of like use his story as an example of
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who I'm trying to reach out to, and it completely used, misunderstood the
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whole context. And then now hates me and doesn't want to talk to me,
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does want to reply me. Another person says, you know what,
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I know your agenda. You just want to change me, and you just
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but good on you, very bold to start a church that welcomes everybody.
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Uh and uh, you have just refuses to meet. And I told this
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person that, you know what, I didn't start a church to change you.
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I think I don't think I can change you. I didn't diwn the
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Cross, I didn't get resurrected. I don't think have the power to change
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you. But I will preach the world of God. Uh. And and
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if anything, I think the word of God will change you, and it
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would have to be your choice. So I say, you know what,
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at least you now know if he ever wants to if you ever want to
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come to a church that welcome you, you know where to look. So
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I don't know, all throughout my life, I've had encounters with people who
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who kind of like either they support the LGBT community or they come from the
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community. They have reached out, and I've always just responded in love.
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I mean, I try to do the best I can. Uh, one
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or two have decided not to talk to me ever again, but that's that's
31:19
fine. So I think I think it's possible. I think it's possible to
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stand your ground, to stand on the side of true and still be able
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to reach out and love someone. Yeah, okay, cool. Someone asked
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about Lucifer again, could I JA fourteen twelve, which is exactly where you
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refer to. I think they're only in the King James's version, and I'm
31:37
glad someone already did the reply with the ESV version. So thank you all
31:44
for answering each other. There are some churches accepting same sex marriages and having
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LGBTQ pastors. I think that's one in KL. It's called Good Samaritan kre
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revengage with the church. Yeah, what's your opinion on this matter? That's
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not us. We won't do that. Okay. First of all, I
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won't be a LGBTQ pastor, but people are saying that about me, really
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yeah, yeah, yeah, as in, I'm a pastor that supports LGBTQ
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and we started the LGBTQ church. Anyway, it starts with G, though
32:17
starts with G. There are some churches that accept same sex marriages. I
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don't know. By accepting, we mean they're already married, they came to
32:25
church. I think that's one matter. But absolutely not conducting and officiating a
32:32
same sex marriage. I think that I will not do. Uh, and
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I will not do because then that will be directly condoning, entirely agreeing with
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the lifestyle, and that I cannot bring myself to do. So that's as
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far as my opinion goes. I think, Yeah, No, there are
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churches that actually do that that in a sense when you talk about accepting,
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what they're actually saying is that they believe that at lgb monogamous lgbt marital relationship
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can be glorified to God. And I think it's an absolute abomination. Yeah.
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So the difference between pass and is passa andy actually has a filter,
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right, I don't, right, So I'll just say it's an abomination.
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It is No I know what they call me, Okay, And so Ultimately,
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I think it's an absolute abomination because you call yourself church, but don't
33:21
you're not bound by the word. One of the ways that the apostle Paul
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defines the church is that the church is the pillar and buttress of truth,
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which means the church upholds something, and that which it upholds is a truth.
33:32
Where does it get that truth from scripture? And the moment that a
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church rejects the authority of the word, it is an aposti church. It's
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not of God. It may call itself a church, but it might as
33:44
well be a church of Satan. I know I'm not mincing my words.
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The reason I do that is this there are people that are in those churches
33:50
that genuinely are convinced they're going to go to heaven, and you are being
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lied to. So I would love for you to open with me to First
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Corinthians chapter six, and I want to read verse nine. First Corinthians chapter
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six, verse nine, because it starts with important words. Important word do
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not be deceived? Right? So First Krinthians six, verse nine, it
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says First Corinthian sixty nine, or do you not know that the unrighteous will
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not inherit the kingdom? Of God. Do not be deceived. Neither the
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sexually moral, nor idolatous, nor adulters, nor men who practice homosexuality.
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No thieves, nor a greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swinless
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will inherit the Kingdom of God. I mean, is that clear that it
34:45
says men who practice homosexuality. Now, if someone wants to question on well,
34:50
the Greek word doesn't say homosexuality, I would love to address that.
34:52
Yeah, because I've addressed that Christian before. Some say, well, that's
34:57
just a misinterpretation of two Greek words mala ko and a saye koita. Bring
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that. I would love to address that. If that's our question you have,
35:05
please bring that up. But the word day is it practices homosexuality,
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and it says that people who do that will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
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That's Scripture speaking. That's not my idea, that's New Testament. But
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I find something so powerful about what Paul says in verse nine, verse ten,
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sorry, verse eleven, and such were some of you. Verse eleven
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says and such were some of you. But you were washed, you were
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sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ and
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by the spirit of our God, which means friends the Corinthian Church. Did
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they used to have people who used to be gay? Yes? Or no?
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Yes? Did they used to have people who were lesbians? Yes?
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They is such. By the way, one of the words used in the
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Greek there is malachoi. Malakoi means a feminate. Right. They had men
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that were feminine in homosexual relationships. There were men that were abusing other men
36:00
homosexual relationships. They had them all And Paul says, that's what you used
36:04
to be. Such were some of you past tends. But you were washed,
36:07
you were sanctified. Your new identity is that of Christ. So Paul
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expects that those who are part of this LGBT background to be able to be
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transformed just like every other sin. I mean, all of us were said
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as Christ founders. And if we can do that to every one of us,
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he can do that to the LGBT sins as well. And I think
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that's the gospel that we want to preach. All right, I'm gonna address
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one of the questions here, or rather one comments, and then go back
36:35
to our topic, which is I think someone commented on whether we can delete
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irrelevant question is that? Okay? Where did he go? Is? Is
36:46
there? Right? Okay? So I think someone commented that we should delete
36:51
the irrelevant questions or commands. Can I address that real quick because I think
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this will also inform our future sessions. Also, I think for now we
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will not be deleting those so called so called irrelevant questions and command I tell
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you why. It's because we really really want to promote and open culture.
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Uh and and yeah, in open communication, open culture. And almost you
37:15
start almost habitually deleting because someone is sitting somewhere and deciding he or herself is
37:21
deciding tlation shiputy, I think you will create a problem. Uh and then
37:25
it will send the wrong message. So for the sake of protecting the openness
37:30
that we currently enjoy so far, I love the protect that if it's okay,
37:35
So that means you yourself will have to do yourself censorship. You can
37:38
you can ignore that. One way you can do is everybody starts voting for
37:42
the questions that are relevant and push it up until like just not, I
37:45
actually cannot find the comment anymore. I think somebody that I can't find it
37:47
anymore, which is good, But I think we don't want to start deleting
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unless unless it's the F word LA, and then you say something like I'm
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not handsome LA. Not okay. If you say that to promote open communication,
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I will keep it there. Don't worry. It's gonna be fine.
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But using F wordler, using cuss words or like really really crude stuff,
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then will telete those, because I think we can all agree that that's that's
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rude and crude. He said, okay, he said, okay, just
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so I can explain why we haven't been deleting. Some of these comments are
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okay, and we're cool. And sometimes I don't know, Sometimes people genuinely
38:25
want to know why it's handsome, or they genuinely I don't know. I
38:30
just have to take it as they have to get it off their chest,
38:32
you know, they want to say something, so okay, fine, fine.
38:36
You know someone's asking how old is kenji single? How oldly semination?
38:40
I don't want to assume that those are nonsense. Maybe someone really wants to
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know, like how are you so smart being so young? You know,
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So we can releave them there. Whether we answer them or not, it's
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another question, all right. Just it's just so that we can promote openness.
38:52
Cool, all right, And someone actually said some questions scare me.
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Thanks for being honest. It scares me too, way so complete unrelated note.
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Yeah, one of the founders of the secularism movement. Well, I
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would say it's one of the early forerunners leading up to the secularist movement.
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It's a guy by the name of Frederick Nature. Some of you may have
39:12
heard of him. Anyone knows that I actually bought a book that he wrote.
39:15
Anyone knows the title of the book he wrote, Why am I So
39:17
Smart? That's actually the title of that so irrelevant point, but sure,
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yeah, yes, sort of related. Okay, homosexuals saved or will they
39:28
actually lose their servation if they practice homosexuality to the day they die? I
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think we answered it. I think we answered it. And again it's important
39:37
because okay, it relates to the next question as I'll just read it so
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you can answer it one shot. What if a person who is gay just
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decides to be celebrate, are they still in the wrong? So I think
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this goes back to when we distinguish and deferentship between the disposition the attraction with
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the action the lifestyle. Right, and also it's important to see everyone as
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human beings in need of a God right. And so a hethro sexual person
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struggling with temptation is no different than someone with a homosexual tendency or attraction.
40:16
It's the same temptation. Just like how I'm married and I could be attracted
40:22
to another woman. I don't just get to go do it right, which
40:27
is pretty much the argument on the other side. Oh it feels good,
40:30
it's love, it must be right. No, no, no, but
40:32
how can I doesn't apply to me right, So the same way I have
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to stay on the straight and narrow path, so will a person who has
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same sex attraction. If they want to live godly lives, then they may
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choose or they should choose to be celebrate h And you know, of course
40:51
the miracle can happen. God can. God can do what he does a
40:54
miracle, He can remove the attraction whatever God chooses to do. But yes,
40:59
so if a person who is gay, I think we have to qualify
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that statement because if if by gay means they are acting on or they practice
41:07
the lifestyle, then they're already not celebrate. Or if they practice before let's
41:12
say, and then they repent and they stop. I don't think they're in
41:15
the wrong. I think they're talking about if let's say you have the disposition
41:19
the double one reason. Yeah, but they choose they have the disposition that
41:22
they're attracted, but they choose to remain celibate. Yes, I think they
41:24
are a saint. Yes. Yes. Do we know people at it?
41:29
Yes? Yes, yes, we know people in our personal lives who live
41:32
this way. We can name I mean we can well, I don't know
41:35
if the person still has those attractions, but I can name the person.
41:38
Trifina Law is a very close friend of mine past, the Trifina Law in
41:43
fact, she's Her ministry is just publishing a book that the booklet that I
41:47
wrote on dealing with Biblical overview on human sexuality. They're publishing it I think
41:52
this week, if not next week. But the beautiful thing is that she
41:57
shared that she was a practicing lesbian and then that that basically that God gave
42:01
her liberation. So the title her ministry is actually called Pursuing Liberty under Christ.
42:07
So we have people that we know and we encourage that. Yes,
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I'm in the midst of trying to invite her to come and speak to us
42:13
and maybe the more and just speak a message, but actually equip us so
42:16
that we can be ready as a church to know how to love people from
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the LGBTQ community. Should they choose to come and join us and learn about
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Jesus together with us? All right? Okay? I hope that those questions
42:30
are answered. Someone asked, if we separate church from state and then we
42:37
see injustices in society and political corruption, then does the church stay quiet because
42:45
church should remain apolitical. Yeah. So anyway, this is probably therefore a
42:52
case to not have secularism completely and not not necessarily separate the church from the
42:59
state. I don't think it's it should be pursued. But my personal take,
43:07
I don't think, well, a church can be bipartisan. That means
43:10
you you don't have to support a particular party, so nonpartisan sorry, nonpartisan
43:19
or is homosexual bisexual thing? Okay? Nonpartisan? That means a church shouldn't
43:24
go out there and say, I think shouldn't opinion individually. If you want
43:29
to, you to p peep pep Okay, this up to you. But
43:35
the church, no generation, church texts whatever, but it's a national and
43:39
we support you know, we start hanging flags. I think we should be
43:43
non partisan. But I don't think a church needs to be a political I
43:47
mean, if you understood what politics is is my opinion, going up in
43:53
Malaysia as a young person, we will never taught politics properly. So I
43:59
think that's the real problem, because once you understand politics, you understand politice.
44:04
It touches everything we should care about politics, because if you care about
44:07
your children, you better care about politics. You better care about what kind
44:12
of policies are being made, who's making those policies, are those policies godly
44:15
or not? And because it's in your hands right you have, you have
44:19
the power to vote, to choose, you can influence what who goes into
44:23
government. So I think a church should be political, but not partisans.
44:28
I think that's a big difference. Therefore, should a church speak up against
44:31
injustice? Of course, it's totally biblical and godly to do so. God
44:37
speaks up against injustice. God speaks up for the poor, against those who
44:40
who who bully the poor and the widows. So if you ask me,
44:45
I think a church should be as political as we need to be, but
44:50
nonpartisan. I think it's two different things. I was gonna say this is
44:57
that One of the best examples to see this in action is John the Baptist.
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John a Baptist is one of the best examples of this because when you
45:04
look through the life of John the Baptist, he ends up getting thrown into
45:07
prison. Why because he spoke up against the adultery of Herod. Right,
45:14
Herod was actually, you know, had married his brother's wife, Phillip's wife.
45:20
And so the reason, well, John the Baptist speaks out against Herod
45:22
so much that Herod actually, on the request of his wife, herodias throws
45:28
him into prison. And you know what was beautiful about that story is the
45:31
Bible tells us Herod used to go down to the prison to hear him preach.
45:36
When your political condemnation becomes so biblical that even your enemies will come to
45:42
hear you speak. They'll throw you, they'll punish you, they will do
45:44
all this to you, but they realize that you're not the enemy. They
45:47
realize that you care for them. They even come to the prison to hear
45:51
you preach. That's what it means to be truly biblically politically inclined. I
45:54
think politics is I totally agree it's a misunderstood subject. Politics is a broad
46:00
banch of philosophy. It's under the branch of philosophy that deals deals with implementation
46:05
of justice. How should we reign or rule in view of our view of
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God, in view of man, in view of ethics, all of these
46:13
things put together, how do we implement it? Which is why one of
46:15
the greatest philosophers of all time, whose name is Plato, what was one
46:20
of the most famous books that Plato wrote, Anyone? The republiclic The Republic
46:27
deals with what's the nature of politics? Not to be how the wise is
46:30
supposed to be leading in the right place. It's all about organizing who goes
46:36
where? Now politics is philosophical right today it's become sorry la pasam alamla sadly,
46:42
but ultimately I think biblical politics is there. But ultimately, when we
46:45
look through the scripture, we find that the Bible is not in favor of
46:49
democracy, which I believe in the ultimate sense is more brew. I think
46:52
the Bible is teaching theocracy God reigns. Ultimately, Jesus will be the one
46:58
to bring that down. Every time the Church has tried to do it,
47:00
the Church failed miserably. Right as worry whenever the church gets into power,
47:05
it brings about the dark ages, but only Jesus can bring about perfect politics.
47:08
But it doesn't stop the church from being from voicing out against bad politics.
47:14
Yep, I hope the answers the question. Okay, this is a
47:17
big personal fast. Say, for example, your child is the one who
47:21
came and say that he or she is trans transsexual. How would you respond
47:25
to them? Okay, I'm not sure if my child can tell me it's
47:29
transsexual, because that don't mean he would have operated or completely transformed. And
47:34
where you got the money from, I don't know unless you call my credit
47:36
card. But maybe what you mean is that if my child came to say,
47:38
like the identify as identify as trans or like identify as a demigirl or
47:45
I am a whatever, right I think you mean that? Wow, this
47:49
one is power out this question? Who in fact this is? This is?
47:53
This is a question I believe God put on my hand as I was
47:58
thinking about starting the church. You may have been there at the early stages
48:02
when I said this. When I believe the Lord says plant the church,
48:09
that it will welcome everybody, but preach the truth so that they know the
48:13
truth and then I had to imagine the people that were walking to church.
48:19
And in my mind, maybe it's a vision, maybe it's imagined, I
48:22
don't know. By my mind, I see cross dresses walking into the hall,
48:27
transgenders walking in through a hall, and and but no one's staring,
48:31
and no one is judging, and we're all just worshiping Jesus together, and
48:37
they are there, they feel at home. And then the word of God
48:39
is preached in truth with passion. There was the picture, and I actually
48:45
responded in this I don't know this dialogue I had. I think it's we've
48:49
got I say, God, I'm not ready for that. I if that's
48:53
what church is gonna have to be, I'm not ready for that. I
48:58
don't know how to do this. I don't know if I can actually like
49:00
not stay and judge. And how do I do it? I don't know
49:04
how to do this? And I feel I heard this voice saying I will
49:09
show you how. I will show you how. And I'm like God,
49:14
but how? And then I had another flesh of imagination, and this imaginin
49:17
is a bit more close to home where it was put to me to imagine
49:23
maybe my own child or my own brother, and this way the rumor started.
49:29
It was a vision and now people are sharing that my brother is gay.
49:35
And I found out who was spraying a rumor. I spoke to him,
49:37
already your sorry, sorry shorty, I'm miss hurt. I'm like,
49:40
what to do? Is ready? Don't spreading to don't know where real are
49:44
moricius or something. But but I was sharing this imagination, this vision,
49:51
and I felt a lot saying like what if your own child, what if
49:55
your own brother, your own family member is identifies as one of the algibutic
50:00
comedy. And that's why I That's where I realized, you know what,
50:06
when it's your when it's that close to you, are you have no choice,
50:09
you know, you have no choice but to find a way to love
50:15
his own brother, your own child. But in the same vein, because
50:21
it's my own brother, own child, I will do everything I can in
50:25
my power to fight it right, but ultimately is their choice. So it
50:31
would there would be this this tension between love and justice, love and truth.
50:40
But I became a bit more ready to start the church when I realized,
50:46
yeah, when it's my own child, I will know how And that
50:52
there was God's way of saying when you start the church and it just becomes
50:57
your family and people start coming, you will know how. You will know
51:01
how. And on that confidence that, on that grace of God, I
51:06
said, Okay, let's start generations and be ready for that. So if
51:09
my son really comes, I will tell you now, I will be I
51:14
don't know what to do. Call and explain, Call explain, externational co
51:17
pass the triphina. I don't know. I'll be heartbroken to when I first
51:21
hear the news. It all depends how what age the boy is also the
51:28
girl. Right, If they're like eight years old and tell me that,
51:29
I was like, I don't think they really understand what they're saying. They
51:32
probably heard it from school, or maybe they watch the video. I'll have
51:36
conversations with them. But if they're eighteen or twenty two and say that,
51:39
I think, you know, I want to choose the film path. I'll
51:44
do everything I can as a father to say, really, is really what
51:47
you want? Can I tell you what the Bible say? I'll do that
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with love. But ultimately I do think I have to surrender to a certain
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extent, uh, and I trust God to do to work a miracle,
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because really, what can I do lock him up. Sending to jail?
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What what like sending to an island? But there's only girls. You've been
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reading Thomas Aquinas, why not? I mean, not leave the island.
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I don't. I shouldn't say that. Now they think they're all context.
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All your past is adultress. Oh okay. It will be a very tough
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situation. But I will practice the same thing I said earlier. Even if
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it's my own son, I will. I will stand on truth because it's
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my own son. I'll our wrestle, our, wrestle, wrestle till I
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cannot wrestle no more. But still sure my own son or daughter that I
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love them so much that I want them to experience the love of God.
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Yeah. Cool, it's okay, five thirty one and a million questions.
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Let's go. So you're keep voting, okay, So they get pushed up
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the questions that really wants needs to be answered. So someone says, if
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I have a lying problem, He said, this is a salvation question.
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Again. If I have a lying problem, to the D I die.
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Am I not saved? If it is no, you go ahead. Yeah,
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yeah, I would say that if you have a lying problem, which
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means you know that lying is wrong, but you continuously do it even though
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you know is wrong. You should start to question your salvation. Now.
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Look, what I'm not saying is you're not saved. I didn't say you're
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not saved. I said you should start to question your salvation. Why the
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Bible says in First John, he who is born of God does not make
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a habit of sitting right, That's what scripture says. I'm not there to
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be the judge and say whether you're saved or not. Jesus will do that.
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All I can say is if you question your salvation now, and you
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go back to God and say what's wrong, and you go back to God
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in repentance and say, God help me, I do have this problem.
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Change me and he changes you. Great. But if you are unrepentant about
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it and it doesn't bother you one bit, then please, you have reason
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to fear. I'll be a liar if I told you it's all okay,
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No, no worry. Jesus died for your sins, past, present,
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future. Just go and sin as much as you want and He'll be okay.
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I'll be a lion, I'll be held accomfortable God for God to God
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for saying such things, and I won't right if you have. If you
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notice you make a habit of sinning, and it is something you knowingly,
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do you have reason to be afraid. Go and turn to God in repentance.
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He will give you comfort. Notice what I'm not saying and your sinning,
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so that you are saved. Never said that. What I said is
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go to God that he may create in you. So when David's sin,
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he makes it God's problem. You know what David did when he said,
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goes to God and says, create in me a clean heart or Lord,
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he makes it God's problem. Make it God's problem. But don't live comfortable
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with it. If you are not at war with sin, you are at
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war with God. If you're at war with God, you at peace with
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sin. Right, So it's one way or the other. You can only
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have peace with God and war with sin, or peace with sin and war
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with God. Let us let our peace be with God. Let's always be
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at war with our sins. In fact, I just add this this one
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thing, one of the most Did I share this before be angry and do
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not sin? Do not let the sun go down on your anger? Did
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I share Have I sheard that here you have you heard the passage in scripture
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that says, be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun
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that was in the Greek. Go ahead, You're gonna say something. Oh
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no, no, no, go ahead, yeah in in in pass Andy
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knows what I'm about to say. In the Greek. Some people think that
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that passage means settle your issues before nightfall. The Bible says this is an
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efficients for something or five something I can't remember, four or five. It
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says, be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun set
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on your anger. People think it means settle your issues before nightfall. Doesn't
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say that. In the Greek. Be angry is a command, be angry
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and don't sin. In other words, our sins ought to enrage you so
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much that we stop sitting. In fact, it goes on to say don't
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let your son, don't let the sun go down on your anger, which
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is a reference to an Old Testament battle where Joshua says to the sun,
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you stay still until I destroy. Yeah, thank you. There's ephicians for
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twenty six. Be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun
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go down on your anger. Joshua says to the sun, be still until
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I've destroyed the enemy. Don't set until I've destroyed my enemies. The apostle
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Paul is drawing that battle seed metaphor to tell us, don't settle with your
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sin until you've destroyed it. Don't let the sun go down on that anger.
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You stay angry until you've put it to death. Mortify the sin.
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Next verse says, what does the next verse say, and give no opportunity
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to the devil? Awesome? Okay, all right? Great um. In
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Genesis six wig, it's mentioned God regretted that he made men on earth.
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How how did the author know what God was thinking? You got to address
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that God told him. Now there's a passage. Now, so is he
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asking about what's the meaning of regret? Or how did I think he's asking?
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How did the author know that what God was thinking to say that,
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to say that God regret it? Yeah, well, let's let's go to
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First Samuel fifteen. We see an example of similar language, but in fir
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Samuel fifteen, God actually shows the explains it to the prophet. So it's
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got the First Samuel fifteen, No, not one fifteen, but First Samuel
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chapter fifteen and I want you to see when the Lord comes to Saul,
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what does the Lord say? So the Lord speaks to Samuel, and this
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is what the Lord says to Samuel. Right, worse ten? Can we
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have worse? Ten? Up? Please for Samuel? Fifteen Verse ten all
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right, word, if the Lord came to Samuel next worse, I regret
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that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me
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and has not performed my commandments. So God actually says to Samuel that I
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regret. So now Samuel is gonna go to Paul. Well, it's gonna
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go to Saul, not Paul. Goodness, I'm getting confused. He's gonna
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go to Saul and says that he's going to tell him that God does not
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regret. Actually, so I want you to go to Now what worse is
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that that was? If you find it, let me know what it is.
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This is in Worse for Samuel fifteen. Samuel will go and say the
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Lord is not a man that he should regret. Oh, what's twenty nine
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verse twenty nine? Wor'se twenty nine? Yeah? And he says, now
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this is Samuel speaking to Sault. So God told Samuel he regrets Samuel is
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going to go to Saul and say, also, the glory of Israel will
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not lie or have regret. Sorry, Samuel, didn't God just tell you
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you regret? He regretted, Yes, but he means it in a different
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sense. Right. If you want to discuss how is it that God regrets
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on the one hand, but does not regret in another hand, we can
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have an entire discussion on that. I've done a bit of a work on
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this. So he says, the glory of isnil, we'll not lie and
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have regret, which means in the ultimate sense, God's plans will stand.
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But when God speaks to Samuel, he's expressing that he has this sense of
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just complete disgust for what Saul did. And at the end of the chapter,
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if you go to the end of the chapter, the last words the
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very last verse, verse thirty five, and Samuel did not see Saul again
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until the day of his death. But Samuel grieved Oversaull, and the Lord
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regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel. Your question is how did
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how did they know that God regretted? Well, same way that for Samuel.
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Fifteen thirty five tells us God regretted. God told the prophet directly he
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regretted. So I think that that will be the short answer to that question.
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Yeah. So I'm looking at time and look at the questions. I
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just feel like we wish, we wish we had unlimited time to todays.
1:00:04
And I'm thinking, you know, how, how better can we do this?
1:00:06
Maybe a podcast one day? Maybe maybe this God he used to do
1:00:12
this God right once a month and answer questions for two hours, uh,
1:00:15
sometimes longer, I don't know. Yeah, yeahs as the Lord keeps us
1:00:21
resources, well we'll do more. We'll do more stuff like that, all
1:00:23
right, because on a Saturday like this and so many questions because I feel
1:00:28
like I want to answer them all but I can't. But I do want
1:00:31
to answer this one. And maybe we've got time for two or three more
1:00:35
and we can do some rapid fire ones. This is not quite related to
1:00:40
the topic per se, but it's related to what we've spoken about so far.
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So it says here, if if church, and I will assume that
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you're you're referring to this church. Yeah, if church is supposed to be
1:00:53
welcoming to all, what can you do to be more welcoming? Now?
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Because I haven't felt welcome. Is it my fault or the churches? Who?
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Who are you here? Please stand up? Like? Ah, I
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don't. I really don't know whose fault it is, because it could be
1:01:17
the church's fault. If it's something we can do about it and haven't done,
1:01:24
is it your fault? I won't go as farst to say that,
1:01:29
because what did you do or not do that? Maybe your fault? Right?
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Is it not a fault? Maybe it's not a fault thing. Now
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I would say this, I would say this. First of all, I'm
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so sorry that you have felt not welcome in this church. I don't know
1:01:42
what happened, and that's not our intention. We never want anyone to feel
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unwelcome here. Secondly, I wish I can know what we can do better
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for you for you, because once again, there is no one blanket answer.
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I don't know if you're an introvert or an extrovert. I don't know
1:02:07
if you came to church and want no one to talk to you, because
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that's not why you came to chest for there are people at that. If
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you're talking to me, ah, please don't talk to me. I just
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came to worship Jesus. And if we do that, because we assume that
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that's how we make people feel welcome, for you, you'll be very big
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turn off, right for the extrovert who loves people and no one talks to
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you. Ah, you feel it, You're like, how comes in my
1:02:30
face? Is my just seeing why? Well? You want to talk to
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me? But it's impossible to know. And that's why that's why we try
1:02:38
to work so hard to have an open culture where I hope it's safe in
1:02:44
our space for you. Just come and tell someone you're comfortable telling. You
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can come and tell me. If you're not comfortable telling me, tell someone
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that can feed back to me and say, the reason I don't feel welcome
1:02:54
in this church is because dot dot, because no one talked to me,
1:03:00
because too many people talk to me, because my questions always don't get answered.
1:03:04
It could be that I don't feel we come acasso they never bring my
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questions, or you don't feel welcome because you don't get your favorite seats,
1:03:13
or you know, people keep forgetting your name. They talk to you,
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but they keep asking you if you're new here, and it's your you've been
1:03:22
here for a year. I don't know what the reason is. But number
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one, I'm sorry you feel that way. Number Two, I really wish
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I knew how to because once I know, I'll do everything I can to
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do that because I don't think it's your fault, and I'm not sure if
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it's just just for if we don't know what it is. But yeah,
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it pains me to hear this feedback, but I want to do something about
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it. So if you're here and you ask the question, could you help
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us help you and others who may be like you so that we can do
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something about it? Is that all right? Thank you? All your responses
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to questions in the lgbt context applies to anyone leaving out a sinful lifestyle,
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correct, So, yes, we've been saying that if you leave that lifestyle
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you act upon it, then that's wrong. And the question here is if
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so, if it's just refers to people who live out their lifestyle, and
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that's wrong, and that's what we are against. Why do we give LGBTQ
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such special treatment? Why are we talking about it so much? Love to
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address this, let me, let me, let me deal with this.
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In thirty seconds, were looking at the clock. That simple reason activism,
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activism sexually. Adultery is pornography, is why don't we talk as much about
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that? Do you see a movement to say, let's ordain past us who
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addicted upon Do you see a movement that says we want to ordain past us
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who adulter us too? Do you see a movement saying we want to ordain
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past us for thieves? You don't, it's wrong. Everyone knows it's wrong.
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But when it comes to LGBTQ, there's an activism that says we must
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ordain even past us who. Okay, that's why twenty seconds, twenty five
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seconds, all right, great activism is the answer. Yes, And also
1:05:03
politically, it's also sipping into education and because to promote their lifestyle you have
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to go all the way back to what is a man or a woman?
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If you teach kids that you can choose your gender and stuff like that,
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so you go, it goes all the way to that. And that's why
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it's so important. That's why it's not because it's the biggest sin. No,
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and not because that you know, God's more interested in this topic,
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is not. So it's just because there is a very active movement to promote
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it, and it's sipping into like education and family systems and politics and governments
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and things like that. And that's why it's we need to speak up also,
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which is why I said number four, I'm at war with the agenda.
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I'm at war with the LGBT agenda. It's the activism I'm at war
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with. That's why keep bringing it up. Which is one of the questions
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to you, like why you're so against the agenda which you have already mentioned,
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because it's the greatest editor of the person. It normalizes the condition.
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If if if you had a movement of people that said, well cancer is
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okay, don't fight it, don't white treat it, embrace cancer, lifestyle
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doctors will be up in the hums. You know. It's like, what's
1:06:09
going on, You're harming people. That's what it is. Is that when
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people say COVID is nothing exactly, just drink warm water and and and if
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you don't speak up against it or something like that, then then that that
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message is perpetuated in and when it comes to cancer and covid, those are
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things that affect your temporal condition. Friends, This affects your eternal condition.
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Yes, okay, okay, I know we should fight it. But have
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you heard of people at Brendan Roberson have you? I haven't. Yes.
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If we try to reach out to Brandan to get a dialogue with him as
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well, great. Uh. They spread the idea that the Bible can be
1:06:42
wrong, and you know, and how do you respond? Easy? That's
1:06:45
what we call progressive Christianity. And here's the thing. Progressive Christianity is neither
1:06:49
progressive, not Christianity. Uh, it's it's rehashing all ideas back again.
1:06:55
It's a total and utter rejection of God's word, which makes the question why
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call it Christian? Right? So, Brendan Robertson doesn't believe the Bible is
1:07:01
the infallible word of God, and so he believes Paul was, you know,
1:07:05
a bit off. Everyone's a bit off. Basically, these guys are
1:07:09
the ultimate authority. Scripture is God's word only if it agrees with them,
1:07:14
and a moment that scripture contradicts them, it's no longer God work, God's
1:07:16
word friends the real God, and that entire narrative is them themselves. They
1:07:21
get to decide what is God's word and what is not. Yeah. So,
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by the way, Brendan Robertson did a debate with Durbin got absolutely destroyed,
1:07:30
tried to do it with Trent Horn, got destroyed all over again.
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So he honestly there was once he was actually I don't know how many of
1:07:39
you watched this video of Brendan Robertson. He was actually saying spouting blasphemy and
1:07:42
saying, well, you know what, God accepts elga And there was a
1:07:45
lightning sound in his own entire system when black. How many of you saw
1:07:47
that on YouTube? And if you saw that there was a lightning strike his
1:07:50
entire system when black, you can look up that and look that up in
1:07:54
YouTube. As he's spouting blasphemy, there was a lightning strike. Okay,
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yeah, and yeah. Another response to how do we respond to people a
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bend or represent name podcasts, The Christianity is doing this, doing this,
1:08:06
I think, I think the church has a responsibility and guilty to teach the
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word of God, to be faithful to the world of God, faithful to
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the Bible. And we do the best we can. We do the best
1:08:16
we can and uh, and that's why this is so important for our church,
1:08:19
and that's why we have sessions like this and we'll find other ways as
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well to really know God's Word all right. Thank you for listening to the
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