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- 0:00What's up y'all? You're listening to the Extra
- 0:02Point College Football podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carney,
- 0:05joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
- 0:08Daniel, we have unfortunately concluded the regular season,
- 0:12which is the best part of college football, where we're
- 0:15out of rivalry week, which is the best weekend of college
- 0:19football. We got to go to a rivalry game.
- 0:22The only downside being that it was a not neutral site, neutral
- 0:27site rivalry game in the in the clean old fashioned hate there
- 0:31the grid, the gridiron, excuse me, the Invesco QQQ Atlanta
- 0:35Gridiron Classic. You know, some might say that
- 0:39was the greatest game in the history of the Invesco QQQ
- 0:43Atlanta Gridiron Classic in the in the long and storied history
- 0:47of that game. In many ways it was the best
- 0:49game of the history and also the worst game.
- 0:52Just as like it was a very low scoring Invesco QQQ classic, but
- 0:56it was also the highest scoring one in history.
- 0:58So in the same way so. Some might say it was the lowest
- 1:03scoring game in the history of the Invesco QQQ Atlanta Gridiron
- 1:07Classic. You know, small tangent because
- 1:11this is our podcast and we can Daniel, we learnt, we learned a
- 1:13valuable lesson at the game on Friday, which is at a football
- 1:18game, you're not allowed to stand according to the fans
- 1:22behind us, you know, opening. The nice young ladies behind us
- 1:25who are not wearing team gear for either Georgia or Georgia
- 1:29Tech. But they were wearing team gear.
- 1:32They were running random team gear and they were cheering for
- 1:36I guess the equivalent of the Napa cap shuffle.
- 1:38Whatever they do for. Do they got?
- 1:41Wild Tech on games that was their most excited moment was
- 1:45when they saw a a very special fan win.
- 1:48I forgot about that. I don't know, like a gift card
- 1:51to Kroger or something. I don't know what it was.
- 1:53Yeah, that was their most the loudest.
- 1:55They were the whole game other than asking us if we were going
- 1:58to be standing the whole game. So shout out to those young
- 2:02ladies and their moral superiority, how we appreciate
- 2:06them, you know, going the extra mile.
- 2:09I and to be just to be completely clear, there were no
- 2:12kids behind us. There were no elderly people who
- 2:16could not stand. Of course we were in a stadium
- 2:19full of people and opening. Others were standing while we
- 2:24were standing. It was not a.
- 2:26What if, if you know, if if you've been to a football, it's
- 2:29just I texted the people. I was like, I'm not crazy,
- 2:31right? I mean, like you and I have
- 2:33grown up Georgia fans. We were you know, I'm I'm in
- 2:36Sanford Stadium a few weeks ago and I kid you not only time we
- 2:38sat down with TV timeouts like the whole stadium, the whole
- 2:40stadium. It's like the center goes over
- 2:43the ball and everybody just in unison stands because it's.
- 2:47Georgia's playing Charlotte. There's probably a bunch of
- 2:51kids. You're probably sitting down a
- 2:52decent amount. If you're playing an SEC
- 2:55football game, you're playing a big rivalry.
- 2:58I mean, you're standing the. Opening series of the game,
- 3:01They're pinned inside the 10. I'm standing.
- 3:03I'm I'm. We only get 12 of these
- 3:05Saturdays. Daniel and I got to be present
- 3:07for one of them. I'm standing.
- 3:09Do we? We've been looking forward to
- 3:10this for months, months of anyway, just it's our podcast.
- 3:15Small tangent. Apparently you're not allowed to
- 3:16stay. You know, our good friend of the
- 3:18show, David Cobb was like, Hey, there's one of the one of the
- 3:22downsides of playing this game in an NFL stadium is you get
- 3:25those kind of fans. And that's probably true.
- 3:28You know, you're in a, you know, actually not that comfy of a
- 3:30seat back seat. But maybe that's not, maybe
- 3:33that's not an issue with some bleachers for everybody's
- 3:35wanting to stand. That's true.
- 3:36Yeah. Well, you know, the wine and
- 3:38cheese crowd and, you know, an NFL game, if you went to a
- 3:41Falcons game, it is appropriate to sit the whole game, maybe
- 3:45occasionally on a big third station.
- 3:47Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not much to stand and cheer for.
- 3:54And if you're not sitting in the swag surf section, which is the
- 3:57corner of the end zone, then you're probably not standing
- 3:59much of the game. So if maybe they were only used
- 4:02to that venue, I guess that's, you know, whatever, maybe, but
- 4:06who knows, whatever, whatever. Being on we we had a great time.
- 4:11We got to see a rivalry get we got to watch live college
- 4:13football and for that I will not complain.
- 4:15Daniel on this episode, we're going to go through some some
- 4:17coaching carousel. We've just about wrapped it up
- 4:21minus a big one, which we'll talk about the the latest
- 4:25edition of the College Football Playoff rankings heading in the
- 4:28conference championship weekend. Three games, we're watching 3U
- 4:32matchups. We've got our eye on 4 picks
- 4:35against the spread for a powerful conference championship
- 4:37games and then some, some playoff prediction, which is
- 4:41getting easier. I think we've got, I think one,
- 4:44maybe 2 spots to talk about that that could become available.
- 4:48Let's start though, Daniel coaching carousel.
- 4:51I think the dust has all but settled on Lane Kiffin to LSU.
- 4:55Just I mean, on top of it being rivalry weekend, what a great
- 5:00like evening and morning to be just a college football fan on
- 5:05Twitter because in on message boards like because the the
- 5:10rumors and the, you know, the writing was kind of on the wall
- 5:14of Lane wants to leave. Obviously he's already said it's
- 5:17down to Ole Miss and LSU. He's probably going to LSU.
- 5:20He's trying to work out if he's going to coach the playoff.
- 5:23I really under it's it's one of these things where I really do
- 5:25feel like I understand all sides and I can kind of be like, yeah,
- 5:28I get why you're mad. Yeah, I get why you're upset.
- 5:31Yes. I do think the system's the
- 5:33problem. Yes.
- 5:33I think all parties handle the better.
- 5:35Like I I feel like I really do get all sides and it's just kind
- 5:37of like it is what it is, you know, sucks the players, sucks
- 5:40the fans sucks for Elaine. You know, it kind of sucks for
- 5:44everybody. But what an entertaining weekend
- 5:46we've got. I mean, Lane to LSU almost hires
- 5:49Pete Golding very quickly. I mean, let's just start there.
- 5:52I mean, Lane Kiff and LSU, you and I both targeted him as what
- 5:55should be LS us #1 target they get him.
- 5:58He and his press conference called LSU the best job in
- 6:01college football. He said, you know, he kept
- 6:03mentioned it. He talked to mentors, including
- 6:05Pete Carroll and Nick Saban. Then he made some comments
- 6:08about, you know, I talked to some people and they called it
- 6:11the best job in college football.
- 6:12And I'm like, is that the same? You know, is that Nick Saban
- 6:15who's saying that? You know, like he didn't say
- 6:17that, but kind of implied like, hey, Saban called this the best
- 6:20job in the sport. It it, it is crazy on the
- 6:25surface to say you're you're leaving a team that went 11:00
- 6:28and 1:00 and it's in the College World Playoff to build another
- 6:31team to do the same. But I mean, you and I have
- 6:33called LSU easily a top three job in the sport.
- 6:37We get it. And she got their guy.
- 6:39And then all miss very quickly to retain Pete Goulding.
- 6:41I think that's important for continuity, especially going
- 6:44into the playoff run because the season's not over, which is
- 6:47crazy. I mean, they still have a
- 6:50national championship to play for this year.
- 6:53So they retain Golding not even on an interim basis.
- 6:55They make him a full time head coach, which I think is about as
- 6:58good of a higher as they could have made.
- 7:00And they do it as fast as they did it.
- 7:02You know, I'll steal the time for Nellie.
- 7:04I think it's a great hire. I have no idea if it'll work
- 7:06out. That's kind of how I feel about
- 7:08them, them getting Pete Golding, But I mean, Daniel, this whole
- 7:12saga, your thoughts? Yeah, I they, I mean, you know,
- 7:17retweet everything you just said.
- 7:19No, can't Lane Kiffin with, you know, he was he was my number 2.
- 7:23I had Saban is number one for LSU.
- 7:25That's. Right.
- 7:26Of course, realistically, Lane was the number one option.
- 7:30He was number one choice. I think it's a no brainer.
- 7:33Like, you know, for Lane, it's like he he has to go to LSU.
- 7:37That job's not going to keep opening up.
- 7:39And, you know, it's one of these where it's time to go.
- 7:42Now he just had to make a decision like, do I want to stay
- 7:45and be Ole Miss's greatest coach ever and just stay here and, you
- 7:50know, win one if I win one or do I want to give myself the best
- 7:55chance to do it? Now, this could be a family too
- 7:57close to the sun kind of a thing because your lifespan at LSU
- 8:02will not last as long as it would at Ole Miss.
- 8:06At Ole Miss, you're going to have a lot of slack.
- 8:08LSU, you have a couple of mediocre seasons, you're going
- 8:11to be gone. I had a friend who is a
- 8:14Tennessee fan talking about this.
- 8:16Of course, he's get personally attached because of Lane Kiffin
- 8:19and everything. And he just posed the question.
- 8:21He said, what do you think would have happened had Lane just
- 8:24stayed at Tennessee? And my answer was really quick.
- 8:27I said, I mean, he would have coached for a few more years and
- 8:29he would have gotten fired at Tennessee.
- 8:31It's not about, you know it, Tennessee had a very high, you
- 8:36know, you know, before they went all the way into the dumps.
- 8:39They're coming off of Fulmer and everything like that.
- 8:41You know, these jobs that have the national championship
- 8:44capability baked in. You've got a short leash.
- 8:48That's why the leash is longer at Ole Miss.
- 8:50They were just happy to make it so, you know, this is not a shot
- 8:53at Ole Miss. I think he possibly could have
- 8:55gotten them to a place to do it. It's just going to be so much
- 8:59easier to keep it, to acquire and retain talent because LSU is
- 9:05about loyalty as far as the players are concerned.
- 9:07That whole state you get, you know, everybody in the state is
- 9:10moving in the same direction, even though the the governor
- 9:14said something about incentives and the contract is mostly
- 9:16guaranteed. But all that being said, I agree
- 9:19with you with Ole Miss to act as quickly as you did and
- 9:22decisively as you did with Pete Goulding.
- 9:25I think that's a the best of bad situation.
- 9:28You're going to maybe keep most of the defensive staff.
- 9:31Did you have the best defense in the country?
- 9:33No Is Pete Golding, you know, someone that you're going to,
- 9:37you know, probably get to brag about?
- 9:40Not necessarily, But he knows what's going on.
- 9:42He knows the current operation and he knows the recruits that
- 9:47were already, you know, on the board.
- 9:48He was in all those meetings. His knowledge alone will help
- 9:53the transition for whatever they do, right.
- 9:56I do like that, you know, Lane initially made that famous.
- 9:59You know, hey, if you're not on the plane with me to LSU, you
- 10:02know, you're not on the team. And Charlie Weis junior went on
- 10:06the plane because he wants to be part of that LSU team with Lane.
- 10:10But he has since been, you know, approved by Lane and Ole Miss to
- 10:14come back and coach the offense. Thank goodness, because I didn't
- 10:17want to see, you know, a coordinator less offense, you
- 10:21know, trying to do something in the in the playoffs.
- 10:23So I think best of bad situation could have been handled better.
- 10:27I think if you already didn't like Lane Kiffin, this was like
- 10:30you being able to jump on the table and scream.
- 10:32He's still the worst. If you actually like Lane
- 10:35Kiffin, I think that you probably are like, oh, you know,
- 10:38I get both sides. Me and you personally probably
- 10:40both like Lane Kiffin. If I'm an Ole Miss fan, I'm
- 10:43probably furious. I get a Tennessee fans are
- 10:46probably still hurt. So, you know, they they probably
- 10:49say their piece. LSU fans are probably pumped.
- 10:51So, you know, it's the SEC. It just means more.
- 10:54So this is people also don't think about Ole Miss and LSU
- 10:57being rivals. But this is also a huge rivalry.
- 10:59So I think there's a lot of hurt in that as well.
- 11:03It wasn't just leaving for, you know, another big job.
- 11:06It was leaving for one of your longest standing, you know,
- 11:09traditional rivals. Yeah, now I get all parties.
- 11:12Don't you love college football fans running them off the road?
- 11:15Marty Smith driving to the woods trying to get an interview.
- 11:18The Marty Smith thing, man, that was just people.
- 11:21I love Twitter for a lot of reasons, but them being able to
- 11:24just keep up like Marty, blink twice if you're in danger, like
- 11:28what? What's happening?
- 11:30And he's just, he's just posted up at the Ole Miss FA
- 11:34facilities. You knew that that meeting
- 11:36wasn't going to happen expeditiously.
- 11:38They wanted this, you know, they're going to negotiate
- 11:40throughout the day. They were going to see if
- 11:42they're even playing in the SEC Championship.
- 11:45I think that's part of it, having more time.
- 11:47Part of me thinks they would have let him coach the SEC
- 11:49Championship, but not the playoff just because of timing.
- 11:52So I don't know if there's a lot, there's a lot to it.
- 11:54And signing days literally today while we're recording.
- 11:57So there's a lot of things to to consider.
- 12:00What you don't want to be is without a coach on signing day,
- 12:03which we'll get to some teams that or maybe a one team that
- 12:07has managed to to make that happen.
- 12:09I want to, yeah, I want to go to a school that's not hired a head
- 12:11coach because some breaking news here, Daniel, And this is on
- 12:15three sports and not No 3 sports.
- 12:17I did verify I said the funny tweet in the group chat earlier
- 12:20that it got me. At Pete Nokos.
- 12:25Top level Penn State donors are pushing for athletic director
- 12:28Pat Craft to promote interim head coach Terry Smith.
- 12:32Pete Nakos reports. OK, well the players have
- 12:36famously been calling for that, but the players tend to always
- 12:39ask for the interim to be hired because players easily
- 12:42influenced. But yeah, a lot of players
- 12:45really like him. And that's why, look, he can, he
- 12:48could be promoted to work out great.
- 12:49He can get promoted and be horrible.
- 12:52This is why players don't make these decisions.
- 12:53Yeah. It it's to me that's you're
- 12:55hopefully hiring a head coach for longer than three years.
- 12:59So the current rosters buy in whom could transfer tomorrow if
- 13:04they want to the entire roster. Their opinion means very little,
- 13:06very little to me, unless, again, it's unless you're in an
- 13:09Ole Miss situation where you have a championship to play for
- 13:12right now. That made a lot of sense, right?
- 13:15I mean, it's hard not to talk about this with him, with Terry
- 13:18Smith. He has made his love for and,
- 13:22you know, admiration for Joe Paterno very publicly known.
- 13:26I don't know what role that plays in this process with the
- 13:30legacy of Joe Paterno and everything that went on with Joe
- 13:33Paterno. You know, won't get into all
- 13:36that. But that's that is part of this
- 13:38that I think would effect is it will have an effect on his
- 13:40candidacy either way. But man, Penn State, I mean, I,
- 13:45I wrote down a list of like the coaching hires so far.
- 13:47I didn't even include like North Texas has hired their
- 13:49replacement. You know, Florida, Auburn,
- 13:51Arkansas, Oklahoma State, USF, Kansas State have all hired a
- 13:55head coach in Penn State. Seeing sitting here, they swung
- 13:58and missed on it sounds like. I mean, Matt Rule, Kurt
- 14:02Zignetti, Clark Lee, Eli Drinkwitz, there's a lot of
- 14:06sitting head coaches that have signed extensions and now
- 14:11they're sitting here. I mean, today, who signed an
- 14:14extension today? This just happened.
- 14:16It wasn't Brent Key. Sorry.
- 14:17Give me a second. I just saw this Jeff Brom.
- 14:20Jeff Brom signed an extension. He's off the board.
- 14:23So I mean, again, we said it when it happened of is this
- 14:26going to be their their Mark Richt or their Gus Malzahn?
- 14:30And I shouldn't have said that as a slight to Mark Rick,
- 14:33because it turns out there's not a lot of Mark Rick's out there
- 14:36and there's not a lot of James Franklin's out there.
- 14:37And one and get 10 games a year is very impressive.
- 14:41I get that you want to win a national championship if you're
- 14:43Penn State and that this team came up short.
- 14:46I understand if you're Penn State in an add a year you can't
- 14:49use you can't lose to winless UCL.
- 14:51I understand all of that. But I think they have, you know,
- 14:56found out to use a meme that it's hard to find a really good
- 15:00head coach. And look, when James Franklin's
- 15:02got a top 22 signing class at Virginia Tech today after being
- 15:05on the job for like 9 days, a lot of Penn State flips in there
- 15:09too. He just.
- 15:09Flipped 12 players. And he has, he has no staff.
- 15:14He was saying in an interview people were like, coach, who's
- 15:16going to be my OC? He's like, I don't know who's my
- 15:18Titans coach? I don't know.
- 15:20You just got to trust me. And they're like, OK, sign me
- 15:22up. Penn State, I think has one
- 15:23commit, one person signed so far.
- 15:25Their class is outside the top 100.
- 15:27This is a disaster at Penn State.
- 15:29And I'm not saying Penn State is not one of the top 20 best jobs
- 15:33in college football. How they have handled the
- 15:35situation is very much not how a job that's in the top Penn State
- 15:39would say they're a top ten job in the sport that expects to
- 15:41compete for national titles. They've not handled this job
- 15:43search that way. And a lot of good coaches have
- 15:46said no. So, yeah, I'm very curious what
- 15:49Penn State does moving forward because I think people forget,
- 15:52and it's easy to forget. It's been a long time that James
- 15:55Franklin took them from the basement to winning 10 games a
- 15:58year as the state. He raised the floor of that.
- 16:00He's a floor raiser. He's a winner.
- 16:02And I think we can see how quickly without that, how a lot
- 16:07of these jobs can quickly fall apart without the right person
- 16:10at the helm. Yeah, 100% agree.
- 16:14That I think that I think coupled with the magnitude of
- 16:18today, seeing what seeing what James Franklin's currently doing
- 16:23at Virginia Tech, seeing what Penn State is not doing, I think
- 16:28makes me admire what Ole Miss did so quickly.
- 16:31And that as soon as it happened, I was looking for the word
- 16:35interim when they said, oh, hey, Pete Goulding's the guy.
- 16:40I was like, oh, OK, obviously he's like the only coordinator
- 16:43left on staff because they're taking the other guy.
- 16:45Of course he's the interim. And I kept looking for the word
- 16:49interim. And I was like, oh, no, it's
- 16:50it's permanent head coach. And my first initial thought
- 16:53was, huh, they didn't want to search.
- 16:56And then immediately I thought, no, look at the other ones that
- 16:59are going through searches you've had.
- 17:00On that same day, 5 coaches officially announced in the SEC.
- 17:05So what what are you doing? You want to have your guy and
- 17:08you want to be able to start building towards whatever that
- 17:10next that next level is kind of go along with with that.
- 17:14I mean, just, you know, highlights today we find out
- 17:17about Colin Klein that was made, you know, made known immediately
- 17:22as soon as they said that Chris Kleinman was retiring.
- 17:24The Klein obvious next choice is an alum, you know, big time
- 17:29offensive coordinator was coordinator.
- 17:31Obviously they're not long ago quarterback previously Brian
- 17:35Hartline, I think was probably the most shocking because I
- 17:38think Penn State fans probably thought that Hartline may have
- 17:42been in their back pocket. They were trying to get a big
- 17:44head coach 1st and then he was going to be their coordinator
- 17:47that they chose. And Hartline goes down to USF,
- 17:51which I think like you, you had mentioned, we talked about this
- 17:54previously, but hey, home run as far As for him to be able to get
- 17:57go to a place that he can build and turn around because you see
- 18:01Alex Golish go and get Auburn already.
- 18:04Brian Hartline, he already recruits the state of Florida,
- 18:07you know, phenomenally. And so he's he's going to do big
- 18:11things there. I think kind of carry on what
- 18:14that tradition has already become at South Florida.
- 18:17So it is a little funny, Arkansas hiring Silverfield
- 18:20after losing to Memphis this year.
- 18:22And then Memphis kind of not so quietly talking about trying to
- 18:27get rid of him or potentially buy him out to just fire him.
- 18:32So they kind of did. Memphis did them a solid.
- 18:34We'll see. We'll see how all this plays
- 18:36out. Who's going to be right at the
- 18:38end of it all. A silver field could end up
- 18:40being the right guy. Memphis has, you know, had
- 18:43several good seasons over the course of, you know, even he
- 18:47was, I believe he was Mike Norville's offensive
- 18:50coordinator, I believe, right. I.
- 18:51Think so. So yeah, there's he's been there
- 18:54for a long time Anyways, a lot of coaching movement.
- 19:00I was about to I was about to make a joke about, you know, who
- 19:05Memphis should go and hire is maybe a head coach who's on the
- 19:10hot seat and has had success, the G5 level experience in the
- 19:15state of Tennessee like Mike Norvell.
- 19:17That's where they should go higher.
- 19:19Maybe all parties. We really pleased Florida
- 19:21State's like, yeah, yeah, you can just go take that job and
- 19:24take a new contract and no, no, you don't.
- 19:26You don't have to buy us. You don't have to buy your out
- 19:28your own contract. That's OK.
- 19:29Well, we're good, yeah. We're good.
- 19:31We'll call it even. Yeah.
- 19:33We'll call it even. I thought you were about to say
- 19:36apparently Coach Jerry Mack for Kennesaw State, which we'll talk
- 19:39about in a little bit, has Memphis ties.
- 19:41I think that's where he's originally from.
- 19:43And so I'm like, please, we just got him.
- 19:47Like let us have him for a couple years.
- 19:49I know that Kennesaw is going to be a step stone.
- 19:52We're not going to be someone that can lock a coach down
- 19:55forever, but let us have a couple years with him.
- 19:59I love it. OK, one more you and I
- 20:00mentioned. I forget where I had him on my
- 20:02board, but John Sumrall to Florida.
- 20:04From what it sounds like, Auburn for weeks thought Sumrall was a
- 20:09lock. When Lane officially passed on
- 20:12Florida, they turned their attention.
- 20:14To Sumrall and got him locked down.
- 20:16And I'm like, Daniel, did Florida just make a no nonsense
- 20:22mature hire? Because even I said on this
- 20:24podcast, we said Sumrall should be like a top option for
- 20:29Florida. But I don't think that people
- 20:33who care about winning the press conference are going to go get
- 20:37the G5 coach from the state of Louisiana who was a, an
- 20:41assistant coach at SEC schools. No nonsense, hard nosed ball
- 20:45coach because that's what that's exactly what they just hired in
- 20:49Billy Napier. And by God, they went and did
- 20:52it. They went and did it.
- 20:53And I'm sitting here going like, man, they they really in in a
- 20:56good way. They really chose to not care
- 20:58about the optics of it. And they went and got who they
- 21:01thought was the best fit to be head coach.
- 21:03What It's funny when you think about it because the SEC is so
- 21:09incestual in the fact that they always hire from each other and
- 21:14you know, trying to trying to make this word work.
- 21:17But you know, all of the Sabin tree is always been, you know,
- 21:20it was always famous to hire from that tree and everything.
- 21:23But also I think from just a domino effect.
- 21:26LSU hired the coach, Florida wanted Florida.
- 21:29So LSU big Boyd, Florida, right. They also big Boyd, Ole Miss in
- 21:33that process. OK, well, Florida, Big Boyd,
- 21:36Auburn and they were like, we're going to take John Sumrall.
- 21:40Well, then Auburn had the big boy somebody.
- 21:42So they Big Boyd Arkansas and took Golesh from Arkansas and
- 21:46then Arkansas checks notes Big Boyd, Memphis.
- 21:50So they all had their own, but all of the, you know, Alice
- 21:54Golesh was essentially announced the day before to go to
- 21:57Arkansas. And it just, you know, Auburn
- 22:00was like, oh, OK. He's he's our Plan B.
- 22:03They pulled that lever as soon as John Summerall told them no.
- 22:06So it was definitely a, it was definitely like, who's the top
- 22:11of the food chain? And you kind of got to see how
- 22:14they all fell in line as far as which job is better than the
- 22:17other one. And it is how we ranked it as
- 22:20far as the SEC is concerned. We both were in agreement as far
- 22:23as that that goes. Yeah, so I mean, coaching Cara
- 22:26is always fun. We'll do a full, you know,
- 22:29breakdown in the offseason as far as like grades.
- 22:34So we'll break into that later. Just wanted to hit that though
- 22:36as that as that came to fruition, Daniel, the latest
- 22:41edition of the College Ball Playoff rankings came out and it
- 22:45looks like based on odds and where they had it.
- 22:47So one thing we needed to see was where was Alabama going to
- 22:50be? I was of the belief you're of
- 22:52the belief like Bam, if they're in the SEC championship, they're
- 22:55not going to get left out even if they lose.
- 22:57And that was never going to happen.
- 22:58So, but the big thing there was they need to be ahead of Notre
- 23:01Dame because of the way that the numbers are going to work.
- 23:05They'd be ahead of Notre Dame this week because there's
- 23:08essentially one spot left. So when if you look at it and
- 23:11look at the top 25 here, you got a high state.
- 23:14Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas A&M,
- 23:17Oklahoma, Alabama, I think are all locks to make it at this
- 23:20point in that order. That leaves in your 9th, in your
- 23:2410 through 12, you're going to have two spots for 2 conference
- 23:28champions. And I'm not even going to say
- 23:29ACC champ and G6 champ because we're just going to say 2
- 23:32conference champions because we're we'll get there.
- 23:35Yeah. And then and then one at large
- 23:36spot. And Daniel, we can save some of
- 23:41this for our our prediction after we do game predictions.
- 23:44I don't want to spoil our picks here.
- 23:46I'm still baffled by Notre Dame in Miami.
- 23:48I will start there. Still baffled by it.
- 23:52I do think, I mean, again, we'll get the picks.
- 23:55If Texas Tech beats BYU the way they did the first time.
- 23:58I think there's a good chance at that point they flip the Tech.
- 24:00I don't think Miami's done is my point.
- 24:03I think they can still do the right thing because I forget
- 24:06what the comment was exactly. You know, the committee does
- 24:08whatever they want to every week.
- 24:09These rankings leading up to this don't actually matter.
- 24:12They have said teams can sit still and move.
- 24:14So I think they made a comment about like if, if they're
- 24:17sitting next to each other, it's easier to consider head to head,
- 24:20which is contradicts something they said previously, which is
- 24:22that if they're in the same pod, they consider head to head.
- 24:25They're in the same pod this week.
- 24:27Again, they don't know what they're doing.
- 24:28They do whatever they want. I don't think Miami's dead is my
- 24:31point. I do think that Texas,
- 24:32Vanderbilt are dead, which are those next two?
- 24:34They're not making the playoff. And basically Notre Dame's odds,
- 24:37though, match BYU's odds. They're opposites, right?
- 24:40So if BYU wins, they're going to get the auto bid for the Big 12.
- 24:43Texas Tech has a lock. No matter the results of that
- 24:45game. If they lose, it opens up one
- 24:47more spot. Right now it's Notre Dame, but I
- 24:49just don't think Miami's dead. Any big takeaways from the
- 24:52rankings? Yeah, it's I 100% agree.
- 24:55Alabama was the key as far as you know, finding out.
- 25:00I think Alabama is in with a obviously with a win or a loss,
- 25:05it just is going to determine on the seating as far as what what
- 25:08happens from that point on under your your check.
- 25:12You know, Arkansas AD who's, you know, thrust into the chair of
- 25:17this CFP committee. He's you know, we haven't gotten
- 25:22a straight answer from anybody all year and he keeps talking.
- 25:26He, you know, they talk about how they're basically will
- 25:29completely re rank everything after the playoff or, excuse me,
- 25:34the conference championship weekend.
- 25:36But Reese Davis was asking him, you know, it's almost like it's
- 25:40just so obvious to everybody else, but not to them.
- 25:42You know, he's like, so is there a chance that teams that don't
- 25:47play this weekend can move past other teams that also don't play
- 25:51this weekend, which is the roundabout way of asking, can
- 25:55Miami jump Notre Dame? And essentially he's referencing
- 25:59that how stats can change based off of win percentages and, you
- 26:04know, common opponents and all this kind of stuff.
- 26:06And it's like, dude, y'all are overthinking the whole point.
- 26:10You know, it's like the whole point of the committee was to
- 26:13make it like a more blue collar. Like if they're working, man can
- 26:16be like these are the best teams that should be in, you know, 12
- 26:20best teams and you know, everybody found their way to
- 26:23have little tie insurance. But it's like why are y'all
- 26:27trying to explain this? Like it's over our heads.
- 26:29The game was played on the field.
- 26:31If they have different records, I understand you saying, well,
- 26:35actually 10 and 2 is better than nine and three, whatever, you
- 26:40know, but they're both 10 and 2 with head to head.
- 26:44Like it's baffling to me. We'll see what happens.
- 26:46BYU to me, like you mentioned, is not safe.
- 26:50If they lose, especially if they get blown out, I think that it's
- 26:54actually very likely that they don't stay in the top 12.
- 26:59So, you know, I think they're out.
- 27:02Well, I mean, that's where the the numbers 10 at this point.
- 27:05You you need to be in, you need to be in the top, you need to be
- 27:10in the top 10 because there's going to be two spots for
- 27:11conference champs. So like, if you're in the top
- 27:14ten, you're somewhat safe. Notre Dame should be.
- 27:20If you didn't, if if the team beneath you didn't have a head
- 27:22to head win against you, Notre Dame would be safe, I think.
- 27:25But yeah, but BYU being at 11:00, you got to win to get in.
- 27:30That's the one kind of bid stealer this weekend that you're
- 27:32going to keep your eye on is though, it's the one conference
- 27:34championship game where you could steal a bid.
- 27:37I'll say not the only conference championship game that'll have
- 27:39an impact in the playoff, but the one bid stealer game.
- 27:42So that'll be something to watch this weekend.
- 27:46Speaking of things we're going to watch this weekend, Daniel,
- 27:48we're picking our power for conference championship games
- 27:51against the spread. What are three games we're not
- 27:54picking? We've got our eye on this
- 27:56weekend as well as team of the week from Rivalry week.
- 28:00Yeah, so from rivalry week, I had my team of the week was Ohio
- 28:05State do they broke through they took care of business on the
- 28:09road against Michigan, you know, first time since what, 2020
- 28:13since the pandemic. So that's that's impressive.
- 28:17I I had them and Vanderbilt neck and neck for this champion of
- 28:22the week, but I felt like I don't think that our team of the
- 28:25week. I don't think I've had Ohio
- 28:26State at all this year. And so I thought, you know what
- 28:29Vanderbilt also big win on the road blow out fashion.
- 28:34But I'll go Ohio State so dominant win over their rival.
- 28:39And Jacob, there's something to be said about cementing that
- 28:43your rival is not making the playoff in addition to winning
- 28:46the rivalry game. So Ohio State dominating and
- 28:50stopping Michigan from they're they're going to enjoy the
- 28:54cheese at bowl or wherever they go.
- 28:55They're not going to the playoff, so good on Ohio State,
- 28:59man. Beat your rival and do it in
- 29:02dominating fashion. So the three games I've got, of
- 29:04course the Deep South's youngest rivalry is you have coined.
- 29:08We got to get that going. We got.
- 29:10We got to get. Jacksonville State versus
- 29:11Kennesaw State, which of course you'll see I'm ripping the owls
- 29:15here with the hat and then also shirt.
- 29:17Look, you don't want to go to war with the owls.
- 29:20With a Canon. With a cannon that they shoot
- 29:23off during the game. Don't stand in the South end
- 29:26zone. It Will Rock your world.
- 29:28But yeah, dude, shout out section one O 3.
- 29:30My guy sent me some stuff over there.
- 29:32Definitely appreciate him. He's got just a few things on
- 29:36there. He's got Georgia Tech, he's got
- 29:38Georgia Southern, LSU, amazingly so.
- 29:40And then also, you know, the pride and joy, Kennesaw State.
- 29:44So yeah, they that's a game I'll be watching.
- 29:47Jacksonville State. Kennesaw State.
- 29:49Get you some 5 O1. He's 5 O first, right?
- 29:54I'm so sorry. Excuse me, We're gonna cut that
- 29:57out. I don't even know what that was
- 29:59from. Section One O 3, Look him up on
- 30:02Twitter at Section One O 3. He's got some awesome gear.
- 30:06I just dropped recently, I think Kennesaw State just in the
- 30:10middle of the season, which is what caught my eye.
- 30:13Yeah, we went to the KSU game. Everybody in the press box was
- 30:16where? Immediately, Yeah, yeah.
- 30:17Section One O 3. Look, Lane Kiffin just hired
- 30:19LSU. Good time to get some Section
- 30:211O3 gear. I might need to get some Section
- 30:23One O 3 Kennesaw State and LSU gear to wear in the pod.
- 30:27I think so my LSU fandom so shout out to section one O 3.
- 30:31I love the hat. As soon as soon as you pointed
- 30:32it out I was like that's a sick hat.
- 30:35The best Kennesaw State hat I've seen.
- 30:36We are we are proudly a Kennesaw State podcast.
- 30:39So. Yeah.
- 30:40That's. Yeah, we Kennesaw State did not
- 30:43have good stuff. You know, both you and I both
- 30:46went there, their bookstore terrible.
- 30:49I mean, I love KSU, but they're just they haven't, they haven't
- 30:52caught up. I actually messaged a friend
- 30:54that works in the athletic department to see if there's a
- 30:58way I can buy some gear off of them.
- 31:00And he was telling me how they'd actually barely got gear for
- 31:04their their coaches. And crazy.
- 31:05Then section one O 3 just pops up.
- 31:07So that was nice. That was nice.
- 31:09It's not a paid anything. They just, I just want to shout
- 31:12them out because they did send us, send me some stuff.
- 31:16Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State Conference USA
- 31:18championship, Kansas State's favorite, so 2 1/2 point
- 31:22favorite on the road at Jacksonville State because
- 31:24Jacksonville State of course won that first game.
- 31:26Another one I'm going to watch, of course, Tulane in North
- 31:29Texas. That's a play in for who's going
- 31:31to be in the playoffs potentially.
- 31:35So that's that's a huge game. And I also like the JMU playing
- 31:41Troy MU playing for that shot, if there is one, for if the ACC
- 31:46champion is lower ranked. James Madison going for that.
- 31:50They're a 23 1/2 point favorite, so less drama in that game.
- 31:54Tulane, North Texas, North Texas is a 2 1/2 point favorite.
- 31:56For what it's worth, have Kennesaw State winning.
- 31:59Also have JMU pulling out the dub and North Texas winning.
- 32:03That'll be important later when we're doing our College Football
- 32:05Playoff predictions. OK, the North Texas over Tulane,
- 32:09that will be important for later.
- 32:12Daniel uniform matchup of the week for rivalry week.
- 32:15A lot of good uniforms. I don't think there's anything
- 32:18better than USC versus UCLA this past week.
- 32:20Color on colors, hard to beat. Iron Bowl almost got there.
- 32:22It looked really good under the lights there in Jordan Hair
- 32:26Stadium. That was a a great game to
- 32:28watch. Yeah, a lot of great rivalry
- 32:31weekend uniform matchups. That one was the best, though.
- 32:35All right, three more to watch this weekend.
- 32:36Number one, I want to point out something.
- 32:38I don't think it'll be very good because of a lot of color on
- 32:42color matchups, right? North Texas and Tulane.
- 32:46Tulane needs to wear like blue everything.
- 32:48A lot of yeah in there, you know what I mean?
- 32:50Different shades of green, Ohio State and Indiana, lot of red.
- 32:54I am going to add this week the SEC Championship just because
- 32:57it's a helmet game. Indiana might look better
- 32:59without the mat helmet, but like Georgia and Alabama, especially
- 33:03with Georgia wearing white, I think it's going to be a really
- 33:05good uniform matchup. We've seen this a lot in the
- 33:08last decade or so. So great uniform matchup.
- 33:12Big 12 championship game. This one, obviously you're going
- 33:15to have red and black against blue and white.
- 33:17Lot of contrast. BYU better be bringing their
- 33:20royal Blues to that game, and Texas Tech better be wearing not
- 33:25whatever they wore against BYU last time, those Patrick Mahomes
- 33:29uniforms, whatever it was awful. Their normal stuff is very good.
- 33:32Yeah, just wear your normal stuff.
- 33:35Lastly, Daniel, the Mountain West championship game.
- 33:38Boise State's kind of owned their like modern look for a
- 33:41long time and I feel like they've always fit with the
- 33:44times. Like the, the one currently is
- 33:45very clean. And then UNLV, so you've got
- 33:48some blue and orange, hopefully a very, a very, very blue
- 33:50uniform for Boise State and then a very red uniform for UNLV.
- 33:56So that'll be really good in the Mountain West championship game.
- 33:59Looking forward to the three of those and we've got our four
- 34:03conference championship games on the season.
- 34:06Our picks against the spread, you're sitting at 47% with a
- 34:10four in a week. You can get about 500 with a
- 34:12four in a week. For me, I could get to like 44%
- 34:15on the season that it's been a, it's been a rough year from 20
- 34:21and 23 and 34. I get to spread one and three
- 34:24again last week. I just Daniel, I look back and I
- 34:27look at some of my picks and I'm like, this is so wrong and
- 34:31arrogant, but I'm like, man, I I pick a lot of these again, like
- 34:34the data and then dude, sometimes I'm looking at post
- 34:36game win expectancy and I'm like, I was even on the right
- 34:39side. I just this is my first year
- 34:41ever on the podcast having a losing season to get the spread.
- 34:46Yeah, ride with me again this week to go one and three.
- 34:49So we're we're really excited to go to go one and three.
- 34:52Can't wait for it this. Man.
- 34:56See Congrats on wanting to pick the.
- 34:58Most confident this week? I did too, of all the weeks that
- 35:01I've had, and it's just like, you know, it is what it is.
- 35:06This has just been a weird year. We're usually well above 500.
- 35:10For what it's worth, just I feel like I have to defend my honor.
- 35:13I am. I'm making sure here on our we,
- 35:16we did some pics in the side with some friends and oh, is it
- 35:19over? Is it officially over?
- 35:21I guess so. No.
- 35:22OK, so I won. There you go.
- 35:24I did win first place, so it's just against the spread that's
- 35:28killing me this year. Yeah.
- 35:30Hate to see it. So all right, let's start with
- 35:35high noon Saturday. I do wish, Daniel, I wish the
- 35:40ACC would flex theirs to Friday night.
- 35:42It seems like of these games, that's the one that should be
- 35:44Friday night, if we're just being honest because.
- 35:46It's madness. Yeah, they should all.
- 35:48Yeah, yeah, yeah. In window they're going they're
- 35:51doing an I mean they're like 23rd ranked team against an
- 35:55unranked team against the number one and two game like head to
- 35:58head. It's just flexes to fry anyway,
- 36:00High noon, the Big 12 championship game between Texas
- 36:04Tech and BYU. This is the biggest point spread
- 36:06of the day at 12 1/2 points. We saw how this game went down
- 36:09in Lubbock. It is sold out.
- 36:12They're high. They're going to break the Big
- 36:1312 championship game at 10 inch record.
- 36:15Good for them. They're in Jerry world.
- 36:17That's awesome. Texas Tech a 12 1/2 point
- 36:20favorite. How do you feel about this game
- 36:21in in Arlington? Yeah, how many of those fans are
- 36:24BYU fans? I don't know, it's a loyal fan
- 36:27base. Because well, that's the thing,
- 36:30My first reaction was, oh, OK, I mean, Texas Tech big, they've
- 36:34got a big alumni, of course, yadda yadda yadda.
- 36:37But I feel like those BYU fans are going to be well travelled
- 36:41and you know that I, I think it's going to be pretty even the
- 36:45more I think about it. So that's an exciting one, man.
- 36:48You know, we, a lot of you know, we're going to talk about three
- 36:51of these games being rematches. So it is what it is.
- 36:54But you know, I, I think that's probably why I feel confident
- 36:57because there's at least some data already showing what this
- 37:00this game's about. But Texas Tech, man, they've
- 37:02been dominant all year. Aside from their one little slip
- 37:07up week, for the most part, I just feel like they are
- 37:09consistent. They're the model of consistency
- 37:11in that conference. And you know, I think that I
- 37:14think BYU solidify themselves as #2 I know that's like breaking
- 37:19news. The conference champion, I
- 37:20think, I think they got it right.
- 37:22You know, Texas Tech, I think it's just like a head above what
- 37:25BYU is. And that's why this is a 12 1/2
- 37:28point line. It's not a six point line or a
- 37:30four point line. It's it's two touchdowns.
- 37:33I, I like that both of these teams have, you know, 1000 yard
- 37:37backs. They're both balanced, but, you
- 37:40know, through the air, they want to run the ball.
- 37:42I I just think that it's going to be too much.
- 37:45You're going to, you kind of take away any of the mystique
- 37:49of, you know, playing on campus since it's a conference
- 37:51championship game. So I think there's more room for
- 37:55just the best teams going to win.
- 37:56So give me Texas Tech. I think they're getting healthy
- 37:59at the right time. I think they're going to cover
- 38:0212 1/2 points. I don't think that's too many
- 38:05for them. I could see this one being 17 to
- 38:0920 point victory for them as they go down the stretch.
- 38:12I'd be always, you know, a much better team.
- 38:14I've been disrespecting BYU all year.
- 38:16It started out in the preseason where I thought they were going
- 38:19to go under their win total. They have blown the lid off of
- 38:23that. They have made me look like a
- 38:25fool all year. This isn't personal.
- 38:27I just simply think Texas Tech is going to beat them and handle
- 38:29them. But yeah, no, they've definitely
- 38:31had a good season. But it ends here.
- 38:33And yeah, give me Texas Tech. The Red Raiders lay the points.
- 38:38Did and shout out to them and crumble cookies for keeping
- 38:42their head coach. They just for the memes alone.
- 38:45They have done so much for us the past two days.
- 38:48It's been awesome. It has been awesome, Daniel,
- 38:51This game is very simple for me. Can BYU block Texas Tech?
- 38:54Because they couldn't the first time.
- 38:56And if they can't the first time, I don't know how they're
- 38:58going to score. And I'm with you on the BYU to
- 39:01me, they had their best two wins of the season, kind of the the
- 39:04previous two weeks on like beating TCU, beating Cincinnati.
- 39:07They played their best football. They're playing their best
- 39:09football. Can they reverse that from game
- 39:12one? I don't think they can did.
- 39:15Now this is a if BYU is going to win, it's a 12 1/2 point spread,
- 39:18right? So if BYU is going to win, how
- 39:20do they do it? They do rank 61st out of 68 in
- 39:23pace of play, which means they hold on to the football.
- 39:26And so I think to win this game, that's what they have to do is
- 39:29Texas Tech is the eighth fastest team in the country as far as
- 39:32pace of play goes. And so can BYU score touchdowns
- 39:37have, I mean, 8-9 minute long drives and limit scoring where
- 39:43you get one stop and dude, it's late in the game and it's 2421
- 39:47and you've got the ball with like 8 minutes left to run the
- 39:49clock out. You know, like, I think it's all
- 39:51BYU wins this game. I just don't think they can
- 39:54block Texas Tech enough well enough to do it.
- 39:57It turns out Texas Tech only needed eight points to win the
- 40:00first game. I don't know how many they're
- 40:02going to need to win the second game.
- 40:03I do think they're going to cover in this one.
- 40:06And so I do think Texas Tech gets to that 30 number.
- 40:09Again, I don't know if BYU can get above 17.
- 40:12That gets me a cover. Give me Texas Tech to win and
- 40:15cover, not BYU. Probably out of the playoff.
- 40:19I'm not blowing my prediction there.
- 40:20I think that's again, they needed to be, they're winning in
- 40:23losing out with where they were in playoff right now, so.
- 40:26Yeah, same here. Yeah, All right, Daniel, for the
- 40:318th time under Kirby Smart and this is the second most played
- 40:34matchup in the SEC Championship. We get Alabama and Georgia and I
- 40:38saw someone tweeted a picture of Thanos with the quote of, you
- 40:42know, you can run from it, but destiny arrives all the same and
- 40:44in a crazy year in the SEC or Vanderbilt wins 10 games, the
- 40:48preseason number one wins 9, half the conference fires your
- 40:51head coach. We get to the end and we arrive
- 40:54at Alabama versus Georgia in Atlanta.
- 40:56That's right for the SEC championship, as it should be.
- 41:00Then anytime these two teams play gets me excited because
- 41:03these rosters are full of NFL talent.
- 41:05We're going to get a phenomenal football game at the highest
- 41:08level indoors, unfortunately, on turf in Atlanta.
- 41:12Haywin de Boer, undefeated against Dan Lanning, Steve
- 41:16Sarkisian and Kirby Smart. Georgia.
- 41:19I mean, under Kirby, one and seven against Alabama, that one
- 41:21win international championship. They keep coming up short.
- 41:26I wanted to say it was a Nick Saban problem.
- 41:27It seems like Georgia has an Alabama problem.
- 41:30Do they? Yeah.
- 41:30Kirby Smart, also undefeated in rematches.
- 41:33Georgia, a 2 1/2 point favorite. Who do you have as the winner of
- 41:37the SEC Championship? Man, this one, did you realize
- 41:41it's 10 out of the last 11? And I guess since they're
- 41:46playing each other, it'll be 11 out of the last 12, Isn't that
- 41:50crazy? Have been either Georgia or
- 41:52Alabama has won the SEC championship.
- 41:55It will be 11 out of the last 12.
- 41:57The only team not to do it is 2019 LSU so.
- 42:01And Georgia was in that game. That's the.
- 42:03Yeah, Georgia, Georgia's playing that game.
- 42:06Their offense wasn't, but their defence, you know, tried to be
- 42:08attempted. They tried.
- 42:12Was. That that game, they, I mean any
- 42:142019 LSU special team, special team.
- 42:17That was a great team and it takes a team like that to not be
- 42:20an inevitable match up like this.
- 42:22George and Alabama, yeah, if there's one kryptonite for
- 42:25Georgia, it's Alabama. They see the script a on the
- 42:27other side, for whatever reason, they give up 13 of 19 on 3rd
- 42:32down. And you know what, Whatever it
- 42:34may be now Georgia, you know, it's tough because we look back
- 42:37at that game earlier this year because obviously that's the
- 42:40most relevant to this game. Is the game played earlier this
- 42:44year? Georgia ran the ball really
- 42:46well. That was kind of the Chauncey
- 42:47Bowens coming out party. Everybody started to kind of
- 42:50realize what Georgia had in their backfield.
- 42:52You know, Gunnar didn't play poorly.
- 42:54I think that there's moments he could have stepped up more.
- 42:57Obviously, Georgia dropped a touchdown pass in that game.
- 43:00Taylor, Taylor, who eventually got injured later on in that
- 43:04game. I believe you've got a lot of
- 43:05different things that have happened.
- 43:06That was Jim Miller's first game back and looks like he might
- 43:09miss this game now after look at like he injured himself against
- 43:13Auburn. There's a lot to this.
- 43:16Alabama has not had a consistent running game all year.
- 43:19They've really relied on Ty Simpson.
- 43:22In some games he looks like this, you know, surgeon and
- 43:25other games he doesn't look bad, maybe just more meh.
- 43:29You know, overall, for all the talk that Ryan Williams has
- 43:33gotten over the past year and a half and to being a cover
- 43:36athlete, Jeremy Bernard is their best offensive player and he's
- 43:40able to just, you know, make things happen in the run game.
- 43:43In the past game, he's explosive, 6 touchdowns on the
- 43:47year. On the flip side for Georgia,
- 43:49Zachariah Branch has just been everything and more for this
- 43:53offense. Georgia's actually kind of
- 43:55coming off of two of their most lackadaisical performances after
- 43:59everybody and their brother was saying George's peeking at the
- 44:02right time. After the Texas win, it kind of
- 44:04went OK, well, underwhelming victory against Charlotte, but
- 44:08OK, you can explain that away. And I kind of feel like people
- 44:11are explaining away Georgia versus Georgia Tech.
- 44:13So really comes down to nuts and bolts in this game for me.
- 44:17Can Alabama convert like they did on 3rd down previously?
- 44:21George's defense is quietly gotten a lot better over the
- 44:25course of the year. Can Georgia run the ball like
- 44:27they did against Alabama the beginning of the year?
- 44:30You know, what role does Gunner Stockton play?
- 44:32What role does Ty Simpson play in this?
- 44:34Is this a Alabama problem? Is this, you know, does Kirby
- 44:39get over the hump, so to speak? I think that Kirby is sitting in
- 44:43a place where he feels comfortable and I, you know, I,
- 44:46I think that this game is important to him.
- 44:49I could see Georgia because it's a rematch coming in and winning
- 44:54this game. I've got Georgia, it's a 2 1/2
- 44:57point spread, so give me Georgia.
- 44:59I think running the ball is too much for Alabama over the course
- 45:02of this game and I just kind of think things even out a little
- 45:06bit. All those third down conversions
- 45:09I just think aren't going to be there for Alabama this time.
- 45:12And so if you're saying that George is going to have a couple
- 45:14extra opportunities than they did previously, I think, you
- 45:19know, running the ball, getting, you know, getting some rid of
- 45:21the some of that clock and then, you know, capitalizing once
- 45:25they're in the red zone. So give me the dogs.
- 45:27I like them to win by 4, so 2 1/2 point spread.
- 45:31I've got the Dogs 2420 in this game.
- 45:34Yeah, Daniel, I and I look at this game and in in the first
- 45:37game, same thing with BYU, Texas Tech.
- 45:39I think about how Alabama won and it's the same way they won
- 45:42the last two years, which is I mean, they out coach Georgia for
- 45:461/2 like just blitz them. I mean they take a 14 nothing
- 45:49lead in this one. They scored 24 first half points
- 45:52and the second game in the game last year they scored 31st half
- 45:56points. They had a 28 first half point.
- 45:59There were 28 nothing lead in the first one before Georgia
- 46:03blinked and made adjustments. They've gotten out coached by
- 46:05killing the board of staff twice in this matchup and one of those
- 46:08in Athens and I think another training from last game was they
- 46:11go into Sanford Stadium and Georgia committed more
- 46:14penalties. Georgia had.
- 46:16So I'm looking at this year Georgia had 6 penalties for 68
- 46:20yards. Bama had four for 16.
- 46:22That's huge to go on the road and do that.
- 46:23That's a discipline team that we hadn't seen a Week 1 to that
- 46:26point when when I picked George in the first match up, I said a
- 46:29key to the game would have been who can rush and stop the run.
- 46:32And Daniel, Georgia won that battle emphatically and it did
- 46:36not matter. I also think if you're talking
- 46:38about a team that passes a lot, you're probably thinking not as
- 46:41much time of possession. Alabama held the ball for 35
- 46:44minutes of Georgia's 24. I look at some of these
- 46:46matchups, Daniel and I see when Georgia has the ball and is
- 46:49running it. I think they have an advantage
- 46:51when Georgia has the ball and is passing it at this point in the
- 46:54season. I also think they have an
- 46:55advantage which I would not have said in this first matchup.
- 46:58Gunner stock that had 130 passing yards in the first game.
- 47:01I think he's going to have more in this game.
- 47:02I think him and his receivers are clicking at the right time.
- 47:05Now I'm despite the last two weeks on the other side, when
- 47:09Alabama's passing the ball, I do think they have an advantage and
- 47:11they they showed that in the first game when Alabama's
- 47:13running the ball. I think Georgia has an advantage
- 47:15for for a defense that, I mean, stat wise has not lived up to a
- 47:19George defense as far as their own standard they set in 21 and
- 47:2322. But one thing they've been good
- 47:25at all year is stopping the run Daniel and limiting explosive
- 47:28plays. They were able to do that in
- 47:29this game. But then I'll look back to you.
- 47:31But despite all of that, first game, Alabama started off with
- 47:34214 play touchdown drives to take a 14 nothing lead.
- 47:38It was surgical. And for whatever reason, Georgia
- 47:42cannot get over this Alabama hump.
- 47:44I don't understand it. And they have some adjustments.
- 47:47I mean, they know they scored 24 first half points and that was
- 47:49all they needed to win. As it turned out, they didn't
- 47:51score again in the second-half. 24 is all they needed to win.
- 47:55I think they scored 24 again. I think Georgia scores 21 again.
- 47:59I think it's the same exact type of game.
- 48:02I think it's the same exact score.
- 48:04I think Alabama went straight up.
- 48:05Both of these teams are, I mean, they are beat to death.
- 48:09They're injured like they're both deal with major injuries to
- 48:13me, both of these teams need to win this game to get extra rest
- 48:17and get healthy to make a championship run.
- 48:19And I think number one, I think both of these coaches have a
- 48:22good mindset. If they don't care about the
- 48:24whole, well, where does this put us to?
- 48:26I think they want to win a conference championship, but
- 48:29deep down they all understand that winning this game means you
- 48:31get some rest and you can get you can get healthy for the
- 48:34playoff. And because I think both of
- 48:35these teams are in regardless, I think Alabama wins their 8th
- 48:39game against Kirby Smart in Georgia in this one in
- 48:41Mercedes-Benz Stadium. Alabama undefeated against
- 48:44Georgia and SEC championship games and undefeated in the
- 48:48stadium against Georgia. I don't know why Daniel, but
- 48:51when Georgia looks across the field and sees the those numbers
- 48:54on the hell on the Crimson helmets, it just ends up being
- 48:57an Alabama win. Unless it's a magical end of the
- 49:002021 season, which we got in Indianapolis.
- 49:02I bet Georgia wishes this game was in Indianapolis and that
- 49:04Mercedes-Benz Stadium. So yeah, I think they're.
- 49:06Lobbying for that so. Yeah, they were trying to get
- 49:09the game moved. Yeah.
- 49:10I think Alabama has proven this year they don't need a running
- 49:12game to win. And I think that plays out of
- 49:15Georgia's style of how they'd like to win this game, which is
- 49:17by running the ball and stopping the run.
- 49:19It didn't matter in the first one.
- 49:20I don't think it matters in the second one.
- 49:21Give me Alabama to win straight up.
- 49:23Alabama plus 2 1/2 points. All right, let's go to Daniel.
- 49:29Is is this the least talked about #1 verse #2 game since
- 49:33we've been covering college football?
- 49:35It has to be. It has to be.
- 49:37Which again, this, this is what stinks is and this is no fault
- 49:41of Ohio State or Indiana. This game has 0 stakes to me.
- 49:45If Georgia wins the SEC, they're the two seed and the loser of
- 49:47this game is the three seed. If Alabama wins this game, I
- 49:50think the loser is the two seed and the winner's the one seed.
- 49:54So you're basically playing of who's the number one seed and
- 49:56who's the number two or three seed in the playoff.
- 49:58That's what they're playing for. Again, I know these teams want
- 50:01to win, but at some point if you realize you're going to lose the
- 50:04game or if you realize you're getting a lead, do you call off
- 50:06the dogs in this game and say we're not showing this team
- 50:08anything else because we may play him again?
- 50:10That's what I would do if I were a coach.
- 50:12So it stinks that again, this is one of the consequences of an
- 50:16expanded playoff is you've taken meaning from a number one verse
- 50:19#2 matchup and you've put it on, you know, like A and what was a
- 50:25game this past weekend that had stakes?
- 50:26I mean, you've put it on like a Texas, Texas A and M93.
- 50:31You put it like a, you know, 9292 teams playing for a playoff
- 50:34spot, you know, instead of a 12 game.
- 50:38All that being said, I'm very excited to watch this game this
- 50:41night because Indiana is fascinating to me.
- 50:45This point spread is 4. I think if you just take away
- 50:49the logos and watch this team, you understand why it's for.
- 50:52I think the Indiana logo and for me too, I'm putting myself in
- 50:55this category. It is hard to look at Indiana,
- 50:57look at the roster makeup and say that's a no doubt number two
- 51:01team in the country. Even though they've beaten
- 51:03Oregon on the road, they've gone, what is it, 23 and one the
- 51:09last two seasons under Kurt Cignetti.
- 51:12He is set an unlike unrealistic expectation for every other fan
- 51:16base hiring a head coach. But hey, Vegas, he makes money
- 51:19off the stuff of saying 4 points.
- 51:20That's the difference in Ohio State and Indiana.
- 51:23Who do you like to win the Big 10 Championship game?
- 51:25Yeah, first I just mentioned, you know, the, you know, you
- 51:29mentioning like the importance of this game and how this is
- 51:32essentially just, you know, semantics.
- 51:36You're going to who's going to be seated one versus two or
- 51:38three. And I think that's how this game
- 51:41is thought. You know, we just talked about
- 51:42the SEC Championship and I think you think about, you know, the
- 51:46SEC was the first ones to bring in a championship game. 1992 is
- 51:51when that started. Big 10 didn't start playing a
- 51:53championship game until 2011. It's one of those things where,
- 51:58OK, you know, it's it's another game that we play, but this is
- 52:02just something that we do. All the conference, you know,
- 52:05conference championship started to pop up, you know, kind of
- 52:08around that time. Of course, the the Big 12 was
- 52:11the last one to do it and probably the one that needed to
- 52:13do it the most, the beginning of the playoff era.
- 52:18So I do think this one will have kind of a business like approach
- 52:21where they'll pull it, pull their guys if it's not going
- 52:24their way. I also think if there's pride to
- 52:28be had, it's on the Indiana side.
- 52:31Kurt Signetti very much wants to prove himself in this game.
- 52:36But I'm getting the vibes, man, of 2022 Georgia for this Ohio
- 52:41State team as far as a back-to-back feel where they're
- 52:44undefeated this year. Last year, you know, they had to
- 52:47scratch and claw to break that ceiling.
- 52:49And it's almost like they're just, you know, they're playing
- 52:53with they're playing loose. And I think that an Ohio State
- 52:56team that's playing loose is very scary.
- 52:59Bo Jackson running the ball just short of 1000 yards.
- 53:02You know, JJ Smith, what else can be said?
- 53:05I mean, physically the best receiver in the game, almost
- 53:081000 yards now and then Julian Sayin, who's been such a great,
- 53:12you know, surprise, I guess, as a quarterback, 30 touchdowns, 5
- 53:16interceptions. I mean, is it fair to say
- 53:18whoever wins this, like at the midfield, you know, they give
- 53:22the conference championship out and then they also just give the
- 53:24Heisman to whichever quarterback walks off the field as a winner.
- 53:28You know, I think that Fernando Mendoza for, I mean, he has far
- 53:32surpassed what the expectations were for him this year.
- 53:35I think he was thought to be a good transfer quarterback, but
- 53:37not necessarily great and he's been great.
- 53:40And Curt Signetti is, you know, part of that.
- 53:42I think this kind of locks in Indiana to be a power going
- 53:46forward for them to do this two years in a row and you can
- 53:50almost just circle that Oregon win as like this was the
- 53:53defining moment that everybody took them serious.
- 53:56All of that pomp and circumstance I just gave for I
- 54:00think Ohio State's going to win. I think they're going to win by
- 54:04a touchdown. And it might be more, it might
- 54:06be more later. Like you said, if they start to
- 54:08pull players or, you know, if this kind of gets this gets
- 54:12coached a certain kind of way. I just think Ohio State's
- 54:15better. And I think they're playing
- 54:16loose. And I think Indiana's best shot
- 54:19is not as good as Ohio State's best shot.
- 54:21When it comes down to it. I think Ohio State's ceiling is
- 54:23higher than Indiana's is what it is.
- 54:25They have more talent. It does not mean that any of it
- 54:28cannot beat them. They're phenomenally coached.
- 54:33But again, Ohio State, they're playing with house money and
- 54:37they just won a national championship and they're
- 54:39undefeated. So they just they're on a high.
- 54:42They just beat their rival. They haven't beaten forever.
- 54:44So I almost think they're going to be more dangerous team to
- 54:46play now because that's kind of been lingering over them.
- 54:49And now that the governor's off, they can just do whatever they
- 54:52want. They might route Indiana, who
- 54:55knows, but give me the Buckeyes by a touchdown and lay the
- 54:58points. Yeah, I, I feel the same way you
- 55:00do. I mean, I'll be honest, I have a
- 55:04hard time looking at the Indiana logo and picking them to beat
- 55:06Ohio State. But beyond that and beyond the
- 55:10roster makeup, I mean, what's Indiana's strength?
- 55:13I think they're a top five passing offense in the country.
- 55:15Well, they're going up against the best pass defense in the
- 55:18country. Like #1 when, when they're on
- 55:21defense, look, it's a top 15 unit on defense.
- 55:24You're going up against probably the second best passing offense
- 55:26in the country. And Julian saying these
- 55:28receivers, I don't know if anybody can cut, can play man on
- 55:31them and win. I think you're just going to get
- 55:33theirs. Ohio State's starting to run the
- 55:35ball really, really well, especially with true freshman Bo
- 55:37Jackson. I think everything Indiana does
- 55:40well, Ohio State does a little bit better.
- 55:42And I think that's going to be the difference in this game.
- 55:44I think that's why the point spread is fours.
- 55:45These are two very good teams. I think this game will be one at
- 55:48the line of scrimmage as most football games are.
- 55:50And Ohio State, it's a better offensive and defensive line
- 55:52than Indiana does to match that. And so I do think it's probably
- 55:56game script. I'm very curious because I would
- 55:58say I think this is a mid scoring game that could go to
- 56:01high scoring, but it's too good defenses and I I'm just curious
- 56:04game script, how it goes. I think this is like a 3124 Ohio
- 56:08State win. I don't know if Indiana can stop
- 56:10him for getting 30. I think the Ohio State defense
- 56:13could limit the scoring a little bit more than that, but I will,
- 56:16I will give some respect to Indiana and say they get to that
- 56:1924 marker above. You know, I think it's like a
- 56:22touchdown game. So give me the Buckeyes to win
- 56:25and cover in this 12 matchup and they'll lock up the one seed in
- 56:29the playoff. Daniel, we go to the other
- 56:31nightcap game on PBS. We've got the AC.
- 56:34I'm just kidding. The the ACC championship game,
- 56:38the Virginia Cavaliers, Tony Elliott and Manny Diaz in the
- 56:42Maya. Wait a minute, this says Duke.
- 56:45So Manny Diaz made the ACC championship before Miami did.
- 56:49Interesting. Duke at 7:00 and 5:00 playing
- 56:52for the ACC title. David Daniel.
- 56:53This game has major implication of the playoff because GMU is
- 56:57ranked and Duke is not, and both American Conference Championship
- 57:02participants are ranked. Duke is not, so Duke wins.
- 57:06Good chance AC CS getting left out of the playoff as things
- 57:08stand currently. Virginia a 3 1/2 point favorite.
- 57:13Did the Cavs get it done and get their first playoff appearance
- 57:18ever before Miami does? Who gets it done on Saturday in
- 57:23the ACC Championship Game? Yeah, man, I like this game.
- 57:28Is just so funny to me. Virginia just kind of been that
- 57:31team that everybody's like, oh, yeah, they're they're in it, but
- 57:35they're not really. And they just kind of kept
- 57:37winning. And then Duke was always like
- 57:39that funny. You know, the past five weeks
- 57:42it's been like, oh, this would be really funny if Duke won and
- 57:45made it. And then somehow we're sitting
- 57:48here and Duke is sitting here with an opportunity.
- 57:51That is the most hilarious outcome is Duke winning it and
- 57:54sending, you know, JMU plus whoever wins the American to the
- 58:00playoff again, we're talking about some rematches.
- 58:03This one was played a few weeks ago.
- 58:05Virginia handle Duke 3417. It's very tough.
- 58:11It's only two weeks ago. If this was like beginning of
- 58:13the year, teams have changed since then.
- 58:16For me, it's like these teams are pretty similar to how they
- 58:19were just two weeks ago. It's tough for me to Unsee that
- 58:23and to kind of reverse course. I think Duke has the better
- 58:29quarterback. I think Mensa, obviously look at
- 58:31his stats for the year, 28 touchdowns, 4 picks, you know,
- 58:333500 yards is just about through the air.
- 58:38I just think that Virginia is a better balanced team.
- 58:42I think they have a better defense.
- 58:45We got 1000 yard back, you know, so you know, Taylor has 14
- 58:50touchdowns on the year running the ball.
- 58:51So I think they're going to be able to run the ball, take care,
- 58:56you know, week to week. And if you're a team that can
- 58:58run the ball well, that's going to translate week to week.
- 59:01And I think that's what Virginia does well.
- 59:03So I'm going to keep this one simple.
- 59:05Virginia wins, they cover, they make the playoff.
- 59:09That you'll see that shortly when we do our our quick playoff
- 59:13run through. Yeah, I think this Duke story is
- 59:16funny and all of that. I just don't think it's got
- 59:19enough legs and Virginia's going to win.
- 59:22And the most like uninteresting fashion on Saturday night.
- 59:26Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with you there.
- 59:28I think Virginia wins. Look, I just needed to see them
- 59:30get over the Virginia Tech hump we talked about.
- 59:33Only thing between them and an ACC Championship berth was being
- 59:36the rival it only beaten twice the century.
- 59:39So there was an 8 point line they beat him 27 seven.
- 59:42We saw this game three weeks ago against Duke.
- 59:45Like he said 3417. That line was 4 1/2 right around
- 59:48where this one's shorter than that one was and they they beat
- 59:51him bad. They're at at Duke as well.
- 59:54That was that was definitely Virginia's best game of the
- 59:56season was that Duke and that's because styles make fights.
- 59:59This is a Virginia offense that. Doesn't do anything particularly
- 1:00:03great, but it's a it's a bad Duke defense opponent adjusted
- 1:00:06wise, it's for the 63rd out of 68 power 4 defenses in the
- 1:00:10country. Not great.
- 1:00:12This is a top 25 Virginia defense.
- 1:00:13So I think it's just a bad match up for Duke.
- 1:00:15I think they can limit scoring in this game and I mean I I
- 1:00:19think this can be like a 34 kind of 17 game exactly like it was
- 1:00:24last time. I think I can the score could be
- 1:00:25exactly the same or around there.
- 1:00:28I think Virginia wins by a couple of possessions in this
- 1:00:31one. I think they get it done and
- 1:00:32stamp their ticket into the playoff.
- 1:00:34And what a season for the Cavs, honestly to go to the playoff
- 1:00:39there. So, Daniel, let's hit our
- 1:00:41playoff predictions. Give me your one through 12 who
- 1:00:45goes. You know, this is kind of our
- 1:00:47last prediction before we have the actual final one here on
- 1:00:51Selection Sunday. Yeah, we'll keep it simple.
- 1:00:54I mean, based on the results, not mine's not too scandalous.
- 1:00:58Ohio State winning, so I have them number one, think
- 1:01:01undefeated Big 10 champ, that's easy.
- 1:01:03I have Georgia, number 2 with A1 loss, SEC champ, I think that's
- 1:01:07easy. They're also avenging their only
- 1:01:09loss of the year in this in this game.
- 1:01:12I actually do have Texas Tech jumping Indiana, but I, it's
- 1:01:18because I, you know, I, I do think that they're going to
- 1:01:21handle BYU and the, the nature of the blowout win is going to
- 1:01:25push them up even further. Indiana, I think is going to
- 1:01:29drop to 4, but they're still going to get there by I think
- 1:01:32that's how the committee's going to explain it.
- 1:01:33Like, hey, they're still one of the top four teams, so, you
- 1:01:36know, they're not punished, but also Texas Tech has that
- 1:01:40conference championship, so they should be higher than them five.
- 1:01:43I've got Oregon 6:00, I've got Ole Miss, 7 Texas A and M8
- 1:01:47Oklahoma 9:00. I've got Notre Dame and then #10
- 1:01:53Alabama. So Alabama essentially drops one
- 1:01:55spot for losing to Georgia, and then 11 ACC champion Virginia
- 1:02:02and 12 my American champion North Texas, and that's my one
- 1:02:08through 12. OK.
- 1:02:10So you get North Texas in there. All right, Daniel mine.
- 1:02:14I've got Ohio State at 1, Indiana 2.
- 1:02:17I don't think they move given how the rest of my games play
- 1:02:20out. Alabama at three.
- 1:02:23I do think if Alabama beat Georgia, they will jump up to
- 1:02:27the three spot CC champ even with two losses.
- 1:02:30I mean, Georgia was the two seed last year with two losses
- 1:02:33different season, but I think 11 and two SEC champ.
- 1:02:37Alabama gets ahead over Texas Tech.
- 1:02:41Big 12 champ at 12:00 and 1:00. That's about four seed, five
- 1:02:46seed, SEC runner up Georgia. I don't think that Georgia will
- 1:02:50stay ahead of Texas Tech if they lose the game, but I'd be
- 1:02:53willing to hear an argument for it.
- 1:02:56Like I, I don't. I think George's resume would
- 1:02:58still be better, but I don't think they can.
- 1:03:00I think the committee's going to reward, even though it's the Big
- 1:03:0112, the conference champ. I would be curious though, you'd
- 1:03:05see how in the pocket the committee is the Big 10, the
- 1:03:07SEC, if Alabama beats Georgia and Georgia stays in the top
- 1:03:11four, that'll be interesting to watch there.
- 1:03:13But I think they fall to 5-6 Oregon.
- 1:03:15These teams are all staying in order. 7 Ole Miss 8 Oklahoma,
- 1:03:18not or, excuse me, 8 Texas A and M9 Oklahoma 10 Miami.
- 1:03:25I think the committee's going to do it.
- 1:03:26I said I think they're dead. I think if BYU gets blown out,
- 1:03:30which I think they will give my prediction, and then it's 10
- 1:03:34Notre Dame, 11 Miami. I don't know how they're going
- 1:03:37to look at the camera with a straight face and say they were
- 1:03:39comparable enough to be 10 and 11 and we didn't consider head
- 1:03:43to head. I think at that point because
- 1:03:45like, these are humans, they're not following, you know, they
- 1:03:48followed a formula. But like, I don't think they're
- 1:03:51going to be able to face the media and look at them right
- 1:03:54there and say their resumes are comparable, you know, head to
- 1:03:57Just one of the thing, if they're 10 and 11, I think that
- 1:04:00Miami's going to jump Notre Dame at that point.
- 1:04:03That's what I would do. That's the right thing to do.
- 1:04:05I think they're going. To do, they should.
- 1:04:06I hope you're right. I hope I'm right too.
- 1:04:08Because I think they're they're not going to do it just because.
- 1:04:12Well, This is why I do think, unfortunately, I think the Big
- 1:04:1512 championship matters for this because if BYU loses in
- 1:04:19overtime, I think they can say, you know what, we're keeping BYU
- 1:04:22at 11 so they're still out of the playoff.
- 1:04:25But then then they don't have to compare Miami and Notre Dame
- 1:04:28head to head. I think if they get blown out in
- 1:04:31Miami, you know, unfortunately, I think that matters.
- 1:04:34It's dumb, but I think it matters.
- 1:04:36OK, so Miami at 10, That's my big surprise.
- 1:04:39UVA at 11, two lane at 12 out of the American.
- 1:04:43I'm rolling with your preseason American pick.
- 1:04:46My, if you want to know my reasoning, both coaches, of
- 1:04:49course, Eric Morris going to Oklahoma State, John Summerall
- 1:04:53going to Florida. I think they're both going to
- 1:04:55have that like split. You know, you're paying
- 1:04:59attention to both things going on at once, but I also think
- 1:05:02John Summerall has got way more to pay attention to it.
- 1:05:04Florida. So I think it's a little bit
- 1:05:05more of a distraction. So I am leaning North Texas for
- 1:05:09that reason. Also, North Texas had a great
- 1:05:11year. So they've been a phenomenal
- 1:05:13team. So, but yeah, it did kind of
- 1:05:15feel weird riding with Tulane this whole way and then changing
- 1:05:19up here at the last moment. But that's what we're doing.
- 1:05:23I'm just kidding. All right, Daniel, let's start
- 1:05:25last podcast before Selection Sunday.
- 1:05:26We'll be back next week to react to the playoff rankings, have
- 1:05:31some play out, you know, pick our national champion before the
- 1:05:34game start as the fun way to do it, right?
- 1:05:36And then we'll start picking games after that to finish out
- 1:05:39the season. Daniel, what a regular season
- 1:05:42it's been. It's been a really fun podcast,
- 1:05:44you hear for us, but I sent you all some stats we'll post later.
- 1:05:47But thank you so much for watching and listening to the
- 1:05:50Extra Point Podcast. We're super grateful to do this.
- 1:05:53It's super fun for us and we are honored and humbled that people
- 1:05:57would want to listen to us talk about football.
- 1:05:59So you and I would do this whether we were recording or
- 1:06:01not. So it's fun that we can hit
- 1:06:03record and put it out there for people to enjoy.
- 1:06:05So thank you all for watching and listening to the podcast.
- 1:06:08Be sure to follow the podcast at the Extra Point pod on Instagram
- 1:06:12and YouTube because I know the season's wrapping up, but we've
- 1:06:14got so much coming the end of the season and next year that
- 1:06:17we're excited about. So you're not going to want to
- 1:06:19miss out at the Extra Point pod on YouTube and Instagram.
- 1:06:23You can follow Daniel on Twitter at Deep South Daniel.
- 1:06:26You can follow me on Twitter at Jacob Karns with AK.
- 1:06:29That'll do it for this edition of the Extra Point.
- 1:06:32He is Daniel. I am Jacob, see ya.